>mfw atheist think nothing is real >thinking consciousness/will

>>131037201
A circle doesn't have corners and the infinite void of space doesn't need a spark from your sky deity to continue being its infinite self.

Take the Nihilism pill because it really doesn't matter. It's like discussing the paint job on the bottom of your car: maybe it's white, maybe it's black, but nobody sees and the protection it affords is literally unmeasureable.

God or not your life is no different. Even abstract concepts like "greenness" or "love" are vastly more salient than your self-proclaimed ruler of the universe.

>>131037474
>separating God from infinite when god is by definition infinite

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>>131037474
>this guy thinks intelligence arised randomly

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>>131037474

The Nihilism pill is even stupider and more self-absorbed than the Theist pill.

arose*

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>Not taking the shaman pill and realizing that God exists, in fact many do, and most of them don't care about you, but that you have to forge your own spiritual journey regardless

>>131037544
Well infinity is just a number, why isn't "7.4" God? Why isn't 11139 God? Why the "infinity"? What makes a number jump out of the page and start putting snaked into apples?

>>131037563
Do pulsars spin at a constant consistent rate because they are smart and intelligent? I mean, they demonstrate use of patterns!!!
True intelligence doesn't exist in this universe, not yet. Not for a long long time.

>>131037834
Infinity isn't a number its a concept you mong. The universe isn't called infinite because its a number its called infinite because we don't know its bounds.

>>131037592
That's your opinion :)

>>131037767
>not realizing created in his image means we are destined to become creators ourselves and already poses his infinite knowledge locked away and all creatures share the same
>implying you haven't taken the akira pil yet

>>131037474
How can something come from nothing? How can the universe even exist if there is not some "being" that defies what we perceive to be reality?

>>131037884
well fnord is a concept too. what makes God Concept the go-to argument for losers and lackadaisical people? Concepts are the creation of man, not vice versa.

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>>131037834
>there's no such thing as intelligence
>everything is relative
>nothing exists!
well
guess your opinion is completely worthless then

>>131038004
Gravity is also a concept. Better go test it out via jumping off a cliff anon.

>>131037977
How can fire spread? I had a match and now I have a bushfire. God must have put more fire-spawners in the void between!

Gosh. It's almost like you don't understand that some reactions are circular.

>>131037201

> Theists too stupid to understand anything, literally replace it with "It's magic, I don't need to explain shit"

>>131037977
>How can something come from nothing?
Where did god come from?

>>131038086
Because it have things to give it being. Nothing is the opposite of this.

Nothing is just that. No Thing. Not an atom or molecule or element to be found.

>>131038009
It was (you) who put worth in my opinion to begin with! Assume all external noise is just that, noise.

>>131037201
so consciousness cant arise from nowhere but god can. Im not even atheist but this is nigger tier logic

>>131038099
God is infinite. He doesn't need a beginning. Where did energy come from? It doesn't have a source or an end it simply changes form.

>>131038172
>implying god had a beginning
thoughtlets everyone.

>>131038179
Consciousness is infinite. It doesn't need a beginning. Where did energy come from? It doesn't have a source or an end it simply changes form.

>>131038136
How was god created then? Did he jut appear out of nothing?

>>131038136
Where is the evidence that there was a time when nothing existed?

>>131038136
beep boop.

>>131037474
>taking nihilism pill

Sorry dude, but you fucked up. When you'll eventually go on a killing spree remember commies are not human.

>>131038099
How am I supposed to know?

>>131038179
>M-magic!

>>131037563
>arised

It certainly didn't arise in you.

>>131038217
>something coming from nothing
That sounds like a pretty incomprehensible thought, doesn't it?

>>131038217
more nigger tier logic

>>131038248
Energy/consciousness/God is all one, do you not understand this yet? We are made in his image anon. Consciousness/energy within the universe given a sinned form. Our path to to rejoin the heavens brother. And enlighten other to live and treat this world well as it is one of the many creations we will be making with the father.

>>131038253
Well if he is god one would suggest omnipotence.

Hey wasn't stephen hawkin the one suggesting the universe created itself because his coffee makes ultra small explosions out of nothing?

Perhaps that is how god was created.

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>>131037918

Correct. The opinion of an ex-Nihilist. Meaning is created by humans, every edgy philosophical 16 year old knows this. But just because meaning is man-made doesn't mean it can't be important or shape your life and your families lives in different ways. I hope you come around to caring.

>>131038344
>>131038372
>I don't know what infinite or eternal means
>I think we just suddenly have consciousness and it just goes away for no reason

>>131038217

> Nothing can happen from nothing except

> insert magic here

> God

> And then he thinks he can into thinking

>>131038496

> For no reason

I'm starting to understand why religion is a thing, stupid people really do need it to explain things.

>>131038521
>implying i ever suggested god came from nothing
>implying he is not omnipotent omnipresent eternal and infinite as the universe itself
>implying

>>131038342
i corrected myself faggot

>>131038496
>reasons for things

have you tried finding a reason to go to a physics lecture?

>>131038431
Nah dude, real god told me that he hates christcucks, he is also a transgender communist.
So repent or your soul will burn in hell forever.

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>>131038299
>energy is infinite and every change and omnipresent
>implying this energy isn't capable of being conscious if we gain consciousness our self from it
>implying that isn't fucking God

>>131037201
Id rather not blue pill myself

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>>131038643
>implying i need to care what some shill influenced by satan says
repent unholy one. God shall smite all non-believers and deny you your thrones in the kingdom.

>>131038724
You are satan, god said so.

>>131038746
Nay sinner, you will look back on this day in hell and remember fondly of your ignorance.

>>131038790
You are ignorant, god said so.

>>131037201
Okay, where does God come from then?

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Come now shillHQ, are these the best thoughlets you have at your disposal?

>>131038918
Duude, he is like, totally eternal and shiet.
Why? Because i say so.

>>131038467
My irritation is how "god" is not just a "something" to be afforded the rules of grammar and logic, it's a super special one-off special case!!! GOD IS INFINITY GOD IS X GOD IS Y it's really all just shit, hey. An excuse word, like "Fnord". A magic feel good word that gives people nothing more than the butterflies of anxiety that they are living in either a beautiful delusion, or a part of something bigger and meaningful.

>>131038918
God and the universe do not need an origin they are one infinite and eternal.
God=energy/consciousness/space
Basically every particle/space is conscious beyond our comprehension and watching you masturbate.

>>131039033
So which bible verses did you twist around to come to this conclusion?

>>131037201
If youre not Deist, youre pretty much retarded.

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>>131037201
> Memories are physical parts of the brain
> emotions are physical parts of the brain
> facial recognition is a physical part of the brain
> grammer is a physical part of the brain
> sense of time is based on neural firing rate
> you only enjoy serotonin and dopamine
What is consciousness like without these things?

>>131038594
Maybe the universe has existed forever. The redpilled answer to the question is "I do not know". Anyone who tells you that they do, be they a scientist or a pastor does not know themselves either.

>>131039174
Don't need a bible verse. This is just theist reasoning you are hearing much like if you were in a christian or atheist thread. But if you would want one I'd say "made in his image" is a good start.

Again, i believe if we were communicated by God(universal conscious) the bible and other texts like it are supposed to have clues we pick up on as we become more evolved and advance. Adam and eve for one, as we all come from a single source of bacteria iirc.

>>131039324
That is when you bore life itself and rejoin the consciousness.
If its communicating, which i strongly believe it is, it often communicates to us through gets here, or other instances in your life, dreams for instance.

>>131038594

What can be asserted without evidence..

>>131039627
>consciousness didn't have a known source so i will believe that there is no universal consciousness that it arose from
>shit just happened i swear

>>131038179
pls stop, your autism hurts me

>>131039728
The truth often hurts thoughtlets.

>>131039783
pls don't if you rise your autism level too much you will become the god of autism

>>131037201
>>thinking consciousness/will can arise from no where and not a source

How was god created then?

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Reminder to shills
There IS evidence of God, consciousness in itself is evidence because there is a source, enjoy knowing God is watching you when you hit up the pizza parlor next time.

>>131039966
Eternal and infinite as the universe itself.
You are merely breaking off(but not really) into a different form of energy.

>>131039725

> I don't know how it happened (even though we've got evidence that it all works on mechanics and chemistry in the brain w don't now fully where the line is drawn) therefore GAAAAAAAAAAAWDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>131039995

See

>>131040142

Truly the answer for the feebleminded. I can't explain consciousness therefore Galileean carpenter nailed to a cross saved me from my sins.

>>131040142
>in the brain
>RNA/DNA
>bacteria
>brains
ohshitniggerwhatareyoudoing

>>131040212
pls die for our sins, your god is waiting for you to continue her autism research

>>131040317
>get btfo
>make shitty childish remarks
typical thoguhtlet.

>>131037201
Consciousness and will is literally a product of the body, the brain.

Not some ooga booga jabba jabba magix.

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>>131037201
>mfw thinking an all-powerful being (God) can arise from nowhere and not a source

>>131040212

> Bacteria are now conscious

No wonder you believe in God, you know nothing about biology.

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>implying you haven't taken the gnostic pill and haven't transcended to the actual playing field anon

I am a god, you are a god, we are all from one source and from that source lies within us infinite knowledge. You are I and I am you, we are no different, only in form, however we both contain that carnal energy that separates us from other objects yet even inanimate objects are still made up of the same materials in which we are made up of. gnosticism is certainly what (((they))) would hate for you to stumble upon

btw based New Testament hero is quoted as acknowledging us all as gods in John 10:34
>34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?

>>131040435
>the brain
in DNA/RNa
>bacteria
>plants
>these have no nervous system or complicated organs but are able to have a consciousness complex enough to walk on a track on a microscopic level

>>131040454
>bacteria sit there and do nothing much like rocks

>>131037201
>mfw atheist think nothing is real

No I just believe that I don't need help or support from an outside entity in order to achieve things and find my meaning in this life. I can perfectly do this on my own while using my own skillset and believing in myself.

I can also find peace within myself on my own since I know what really puts my mind at ease and calms me down in this life but it is not easy. It requires a lot of introspect and experience which means a lot of personal work on your own part. God or anything closer to an entity or idea is not needed, according to my point of view in order to succeed in doing so.

I also have nothing against people that believe in their faith, it is their own life and choice. I actually respect a lot people that value their traditions and ideals in regards to their faith if it makes them proud doing so.

Bottom line, I just believe that our willpower is strong enough for us to achieve greatness.

>>131040402
Like you deserve anything better lol. You think anyone seriously try to argue with a retard like you? Better to go back you stupid sect and enjoy their bullshit.

>>131040467
That is literally what this thread is about. We are in our ignorant forms to learn and record so others may prepare themselves for the journey to god-hood and avoid the strife within the beast's mind that is hell
He is around us omnipresent as ever and making the world run, we will be joining back into that soon, or perhaps we are already experiencing it now.

>>131038296
lol, the irony

>>131040512
Plants and bacteria cannot have a conscience, its just biological phenomena that it has no controll over.

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>>131040603
Enjoy being denied the throne brother.
The consciousness is all around you, you spawned from it eons ago and it still influences you today both the God and Satanic within it.
Any knowledge you posses is nothing that you wont learn later(not that you should learn what you can), your purpose is strengthening our species if anything while you have time in the mortal plane.

All morality is objective, all evil is objective. Ther are element in this world that either hold you back as a species or help you progress. Find the differences and pick on the ones that bring progress.

>>131037201
if consciousness needs to be created who created God's consciousness?

>>131040742
>those things work completely randomly with no direction what so ever

>>131040849
The only direction they have is the area they grow in and manifest.
And thats that. They dont sleep, they dont dream and they certainly dont have a choice in the matter.

>>131040814
God IS the consciousness. It needs a source to exist in the mortal body or within small creatures and for DNA to function and multiply, otherwise those things could have never come into existence or formed in the first place without an existing influence.
You do not develop a god-like understanding of it as a mortal creature without evolving however. You are between Beast and God.

>>131038554
Religion is the best way at the moment to structure morality and philosophy to the masses. A good example would be to break it down for a child as an atheist or a christian. There are differences.

>>131040643
yes he is afoot, that is true indeed. the most sinister truth is knowing that at any given time you can give rise to his tricks, there will always be a battle inside of you that deals with good vs. evil, I like to see it as light vs. dark and (((he))) is the dark, the malignant force inside you which you can harbor or set sail. all things considering, it seems as if a number of people have truly lost touch with that innate sense of a fire within them, a fire we share and manifest in ways to actively create our reality. no change will ever come without people realizing just how important they are to themselves

>>131040603
I wish there will be more normal people like you.

>>131040941
They are lesser evolved and are a basic level of consciousness.
Hmm, sounds like these need a source to ever be able to become a thing anon. And where do you think that source is?
DNA and RNA do not magically form one day and create consciousness(basic ability to survive, life, will) as a result.

>>131040713
>>131038099
I didn't even assert that I know for a fact that there is a god.

>>131037201
Why do you retards add so much importance to "consciousness". It's merely a word that we use to define inner working of the brain.What makes you so certain that complex enough neural system will not form perpetual state of awareness that we will call consciousness. Why do people always put MAGIC here?

>>131040713
God didn't come from anything. He is the conscious that had existed within the universe for eternity and for infinity. The one life itself its rooted from.

>>131038447
Occam's razor. You're adding complexity and assumptions without cause by saying god appeared then made the universe as opposed to the universe appearing.

>>131040811
>Enjoy being denied the throne brother.
Metaphorically speaking?

>The consciousness is all around you, you spawned from it eons ago and it still influences you today both the God and Satanic within it.
I write my own destiny and walk my own path though, meaning that I do not really care or will care about said consciousness you speak off.

>your purpose is strengthening our species if anything while you have time in the mortal plane.
I could not agree more. Thus by doing my part in knowing myself and becoming better while on the basis of my own strength is the best I can do for mankind.

>>131041077
You dont need a consciousness to do what they do. Its all reactionary. Theres only 1 consciousness.

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>>131041197
Becasuse its a broader term than that of the brain. If bacteria are able to know what to eat who to fuck and what to avoid they have a very basic conscious guiding them that doesnt need a brain to function. Your brains help you awake it further.

>>131041018
Thank you Hungarian brother, what is your opinion on the whole subject?

>>131041284
You do and they certainly have one. You are so fixated that a consciousness is dependent on the brain. You being able to realize, learn and understand abstract concepts are dependent on the brain. Not basic consciousness.

What separates life from the inanimate is the inanimate has no awareness for anything or ability to move on its own will. Please at least understand this before debating.

>>131041077

I guess we've created consciousness when we made self-replicating proteins then. If you define consciousness as 'any sort of self-driven behaviour', then my calculator is conscious.

>>131041487
The brain IS you consciousness, why do you think when you sleep time passes in an instant? Because youre unconcious, and the dream? Thats your sub-conscious.
Why does the sunflower always face the sun? Think it has a conscious? It dosnt, it senses the rays and adjusts accordingly not because it wants to but because its a biological reaction. The same way mold spreads.

Learn something past gradeschool instead of relying on story books. Unironically thinking you can debate.

>>131041746
>calculators
>function on its own will
as for bacteria, indeed. Made in his image to me implies we are to become creators ourselves after all, if you care too hear my interpretation of the scripture.

>>131041832
The brain PROCESSES consciousness.

>>131041387
Mostly what you wrote. I don't have problem with religions or beliefs just with the stupid newly founded ones that spread autism and try to make people stupid. Mostly these sects are American like the witnesses of Jehovah and Faith Church. These shouldn't be allowed to exist because these are only a good businesses for the ones that made them.

Most people use religions and faith because they can't think themselves. Religion should be something that gives plus to your life not something that controls your life.

All is God. The implications are many. Humans have great power but have been misguided into using it to support corrupt institutions and false religions.

Belief is really important.

>>131041874
So you agree that with no brain ameba and plants dont have consciousness then.

>>131037201
Consciousness is a natural quantum mechanism that had a very low chance of arising in the great chaos of the universe.

>>131041854

That was a bad example, I admit. But if we're making consciousness means so little, then my Dwarves in Dwarf Fortress are actually conscious, because they exhibit more options than any given amoeba. You might say they're working according to the code, but that's literally what DNA/RNA is.

Atheist trying to explain things empirically and demand physical proof are misguided. They haven't even begun to ask the right questions. And you will never find answers in science.

>>131041975
They can not process it complexly like us, as in think about what life is or about itself or even what that rival bacteria is other than react to it like its a threat, but they have awareness aka consciousness.

>>131042081
Your computer game was made by a man and everything it is from it being turned on to functioning depended on that man/men.

>>131037201
Read Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter, anon. Should clear some things up for you.

Why do cells continue to replicate themselves indefinitely? Why don't they just stop?

Atheists answer this

>>131041319
That's a very broad definition of consciousness. I'm sure the consciousness everyone is fixated with is the self-awareness one, which requires a complex neural system which we call brain. Calling the most basic organisms that simply react to external stimuli as conscious is quite retarded imho. What exact philosophical definition of consciousness are you using?

>>131042209
>no brain but can near perfectly preform the functions i need to preform anyways
athiest explain this.

>>131042246
No, you are using a very narrow one.
Or perhaps there is a better word for it, but you absolutely can not deny you do NOT need a brain to function very specific tasks that should be too complicated for something without one to do. Like identifying a threat, breeding, DNA replicating, RNA/viruses in general ect

>>131042163

So your argument is that all consciousness is inherently through intelligent design?

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>>131042352
>the idea there could be a greater consciousness that initiates these thing to happen is far more ridiculous than the notion that it spawned suddenly form nothing whatso ever goy
>go ahead, fuck your asshole tonight and live completely nihilistic/hedonisticly no one is watching

>>131042246
Why do you think superior consciousness was only developed by a mammal subspecies? Considering that there are species living now that are hundreds of millions years older than us.

Could it not be possible that at some point in evolution the human species became an avatar of consciousness?

Do you think consciousness is exclusive to mammals?

>>131042510
Indeed. It can not have come from nothing, consciousness must have existed within the universe already. It is a far more logical notion to propose.

Every partial in your brain already exists in space, you are literally space dust.

>>131042691

There's literally no reason to presume such a thing, it's an argument from incredulity.

>>131042776
Something can not come from nothing is not illogical to propose at all. That this consciousness just arose into existence one day, that this will that drives things so arose form "Nothing" something that is not observed or proven beyond human imagination is a ridiculous notion to propose.

>>131038447
that wouldn't explain what caused the explosions either. is stephen hawking as retarded as he looks?

>>131037474
You know you can be a Nihilist without being a whiney little bitch about it, right?

>>131043036

> Something can not come from nothing is not illogical to propose at all

First, it depends on what even the definition of 'nothing' is, consciousness isn't an object, it's a process.

>>131042163
is a rock conscious?

i'm genuinely trying to understand your thought process.

>>131043283
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

>>131042467
then how far would you go to define a being as conscious? A microorganism that has only basic reaction to external stimuli, is that conscious or not? At some point you'll get a mix of organic elements that are barely different from innanimate objects Where's the line.
>>131042652
I don't. I'm sure there are beings that evolved a completely different form of consciousness somewhere in our cosmos. I'm just saying that if an organism has complex enough processing of external stimuli it becomes self aware and even aware of self awareness. And that's what human brains can do.

>>131043387
You don't get it. All matter comes from the very same source. You just have to think backwards, and there is inherent life in all things.

>>131043449
>Where's the line
Basic awareness and evolution.

The reality that we live in is like a very complex videogame simulation, but you are not an individual player, you are the entire software.

Wake up

>>131043535
my best interpretation of your logic:

consciousness is self evident and something that has always existed. all matter manifests some form of consciousness. the more organized the matters are, the more conscious they are.

>>131043583

But those tiny creatures are not aware. They simply respond to stimuli, they have no ability to take cognisance.

>>131037201
lol christfag jew on a stick

>>131043726
The God(universal source of consciousness/life) is the source of consciousness, you are basically fallen from godhood and building up from the beast that consumed life to this point. You are far from perfect. You will never be capable because your mind can not possibly hold all that information in a mortal form. Only when die and return to it to stock.

>>131043726
You could only understand it fully if you tapped into a higher intelligence, "the collective intelligence", "the all", as some call it.

If you've ever taken acid or mushrooms you know the feeling, that everything just clicks and you get a gazillion of good ideas

>>131043891
If they are responding to something they have a form of awareness, or whatever term you'd prefer. It is an ability only found within life to our knowledge(rocks don't do thus). This obviously has a source.

>>131044016

No you don't. It could be entirely mechanical. There are plenty of stages of self-replicating molecules before the most basic RNA.

>>131037201
It's pretty easy to make me a theist... just provide some actual logic/evidence.

>>131045061
All you did was propose something that adds more questions like what the source of that ability is.

>>131045172
tips fedora

>>131045172
If God is by definition infinite and infinite has been observed in science this is evidence there is God.
Consciousness(will, whatever word you prefer before you try to subvert the argument with deffinitions, life functions on a mechanism inherently different than any other matter) is also evidence. Life did not get that will out of no where it probably existed within the universe already and it made the decision to manifest some of itself into mortal form, life.

No more illogical to propose than the "we are just computer programs in NOTgods computer".

Atheists demand proof but do no research by themselves.

The lips of wisdom are sealed to the ears of the ignorant.

>>131045221

At that point, you might as well be asking why the properties of Iron and Gold are different if the only difference between them is the number of protons and electrons in the molecules. It's mechanics.

>>131044016
You can program a machine to do that. Nothing special.

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>>131037201
>mfw when these people unironically debate that we live in a simulation

>>131045948
>machines
>self aware
>capable of anything beyond what they are programs to do by man

>>131045948
>>131046013
OR better yet.
>a machine
>breeding and passing down its genetics and teaching its offspring machine
>able to be self sufficient without baby sitters
>able to EVOLVE
>able to EXIST without a creator
stupid thoughtlet.

>>131037201
And why do you think this source has a concioussness to think, judge and intervene?
And where do you think THIS concioussness came from?

>>131046103

> a creationist uses evolution as an argument in his favor

Welp

>>131046013
most microorganism are just primitive miniature organic machines. If you program something that behaves exactly like it.
Does that mean your program is not conscious while the microorganism is? Interesting bias there. How come it doesn't fall under your definition of consciousness?

>>131046153
It doesn't come from anywhere thoughtlet it always existed. Your consciousness is a watered down version of the consciousness you originally came from aka space/God.
Your brain can not hold that much information in mortal form. Nothing in your brain structurally on a molecular level is unique to the universe. Every element that make you up can be found in space in much greater portions

>>131046233
>I can't understand how God and evolution can work together when all my life the mental image has been an old magician magically popping creatures into existence and in no way can imagine a GOD could be able to design a complicated system like evolution

>>131045492

do you do research on Thor, Zeus and others?

>>131046281
Have you seen a machine built with the absence of a creator?

>>131046426
who created the creator?

>inb4 special pleading fallacy

>>131046376

Except God is useless in evolution, and you've retreated from "God popped everything into existance 4000 years ago as it is" to "But you still don't now exactly the circumstances in which life began" (Abiogenesis)

>>131046397
What is this fedora tier argument?

God is not a character, grow up a little and then try to grasp philosophical questions.

>>131046500
Why does the creator need a creator if the creator is infinite and eternal?
Or do you not know what those words mean?

>>131046587
Thor and Zeus are Gods, you fucking mongoloid.

>>131046583
>useless in evolution
>things work themselves out randomly bro totally no higher powers involved
>that DNA strand just knows what to do don't think about it too much even though i have no explanation whatso ever

>>131046598
He's a fedora cuck, he will point out "logical fallacies" everywhere but provide nothing of value to the discussion

>>131046426
yeah, machinery of life was created by environment, unless you call universe a creator. As far as science goes theory of evolution does not need any intelligent creator to explain how we came to be.

>>131046669
Ok? What is your point?

>>131046691

> You need a God to cause things to not come out as perfect replicas every time

> You need a God to ensure that if there's a population adapted to an environment and one which isn't, the one which is thrives and the one which isn't dies

Again, you're going back to abiogenesis, because evolution explains everything from that point on and doesn't require magic.

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>>131046736
>but this theory can not explain the one core principle which is how the fuck does it know and function so well

>>131046598
special pleading fallacy

>>131046807
Fallacy fallacy.
Again, you don't know what the word infinite or eternal mean. That is the argument.

>>131046736
If this was true then evolution would go at a steady pace, but mammals at one point mutated faster than ever before when our species first appeared.

Also, archeological evidence of man made tools show that they suddenly began to be produced massively, and. ot gradually as it should have been in a logic sense.

>>131046768
atheists claim that there is no proof for the existence of whatever God that people have come up with so far, be it a Christian god or Vishnu. It's not on us to do research disproving the existence of Poseidon, it's on you to prove to me that your God exists. It's a basic formula of scientific discovery, it's the Russell's teapot.

So for you to blame us for nothing doing research on your shitty skydaddy is really rich, considering you probably haven't done any extensive research on the thousands of other deities. Pot calling kettle black.

I partake in these discussions once or twice a year just for my own amusement. This is so easy.

>>131037201
>believing in kike lies that turn you into a cuck

>>131046975

Sharks haven't evolved for billions of years.

It's called 'having a comfortable niche'. There were no selective pressures that would cause current sharks to not exist as-is.

>thoughtlets need God spelled out for them
He is omnipresent, omnipotent, infinite and eternal. That is the definition of God. How can something eternal need a beginning if its eternal? Your grasp of the human language astounds me.

in·fi·nite
[ˈinfənət]
ADJECTIVE

limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate:
"the infinite mercy of God" · "the infinite number of stars in the universe"
synonyms: boundless · unbounded · unlimited · limitless · never-ending · interminable · immeasurable · fathomless · imponderable · extensive · vast · immense · great · huge · enormous · countless · uncountable · inestimable · innumerable · numberless · immeasurable · incalculable · untold · myriad
antonyms: limited · small · limited
very great in amount or degree:
"he bathed the wound with infinite care"
mathematics
greater than any assignable quantity or countable number.
mathematics
(of a series) able to be continued indefinitely.
grammar
another term for nonfinite.

NOUN

(the infinite)
a space or quantity that is infinite.
(the Infinite)
God.

>>131047170
e·ter·nal
[əˈtərn(ə)l]
ADJECTIVE

lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning:
"the secret of eternal youth" · "fear of eternal damnation"
synonyms: everlasting · never-ending · endless · perpetual · undying · immortal · abiding · permanent · enduring · infinite · boundless · timeless · amaranthine
antonyms: transient
(of truths, values, or questions) valid for all time; essentially unchanging:
"eternal truths of art and life"
informal
seeming to last or persist forever, especially on account of being tedious or annoying:
"eternal nagging demands" · "she is an eternal optimist"
synonyms: constant · continual · continuous · perpetual · persistent · sustained · unremitting · relentless · unrelieved · uninterrupted · unbroken · never-ending · nonstop · around/round-the-clock · endless · ceaseless
antonyms: intermittent
used to emphasize expressions of admiration, gratitude, or other feelings:
"to his eternal credit, he maintained his dignity throughout"
(the Eternal)
used to refer to an everlasting or universal spirit, as represented by God.

>>131046896
Special pleading
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the informal fallacy. For the legal concept, see Special pleader.

Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception.[1][2]

The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight (e.g., a reference to common sense) or an application of a double standard.

>>131047170

Yes, we know you can define things. Good luck making them any more real than fairies.

>>131047157
>haven't evolved
>literally many different subspecies and extinct species of shark
wtf anon

>>131047228
>STILL will not accept that we are talking about God aka eternal being and that something eternal BY DEFINITION doesn't need a beginning
you are this stupid.
>>131047196

>>131047127
You fucking idiot. Personal belief is not a competition.

Not my responsibility to educate ignorants, you attacked me out of nowhere.

And yes, I have studied the greek pantheon and other religions, how do you think I reached my own conclusions?

I educated myself, I expect others to do the same.

>>131046804
What do you mean? It does explain the core principles why life "functions so well". Evolution means adapting to environment. That's why we adapted to OUR environment. Go anywhere outside and most forms of life will just die. the rest will adapt once again.
We do know the core principle here - natural selection.

>>131047290
>perhaps if I use that unjustified double standard enough times he will go away

do you think of yourself as intelligent? honest question

>>131047478
What the hell are you even on about? You propose the ridiculous fallacy God, an eternal infinite being(eternal means without end OR BEGINNING), needs a BEGINNING. You are completely ignoring definitions for the sake of your shitty arguments.

Why do atheists keep implying that people who believe in God see him as a "magic fairy skydaddy" when that is not at all what anyone says?

>>131047613
Because they have to add human characteristics and limitations to him because accepting it as an all powerful deity is too much for their arguments because they can't say stupid shit like
>can god make something so heavy he can't lift it?
when they have to realize what INFINITE and ETERNAL and OMNIPOTENT OMNIPRESENT mean.

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>>131047613
Not all atheists think that. Youre making the same mistake you're describing.

>>131047763
Its in literally every thread man. #notallatheists

>>131047594

well in the post that I was first responding to you said that in order for things to come into existence they have to have a creator (creator and a machine) and I asked you whether that same principle applied to the creator, and you made the special pleading fallacy and said that "no, muh god doesn't need a creator".

that's what I'm on about.

>>131046736
>there's no creator unless we call this insanely involved and complex set of universal laws the creator

Congrats you are now ready for philosophy 100

>>131047832
Machines aren't god you retard, its creatoprs aren't gods. Your entire argument was bad and you should feel bad.

>>131047243

It means that the sharks that live today, have existed as is for billions of years.

>>131047442

sorry for attacking you, special snowflake.

If I were to debate you, defending the flying spaghetti monster, would it be reasonable of me to expect you to do extensive research on the monster?

Do we have to do extensive research on thor zeus allah yahwe poseidon ra and all those thousands of Gods that have existed throughout time, in order to be able to have a debate?

I think not. Just give us proof, that's all we want.

>>131047962
>if you ignore the other instances of sharks evolving it means sharks don't evolve
absolutely THOUGHLET

>>131037201
Why would believe on something with zero evidence?

>>131048070
You mean atheism? :^)

>>131048062
>proof
>not asking for evidence
when will you learn there is no such thing as proof to a mortal. Only evidence.

>>131047942
alright, let's play your argument through.

>Have you seen a machine built with the absence of a creator?

I haven't.

what's the conclusions you want us to make here?

>>131048327
Are humans Gods? Are machines Gods? No? Needs a creator, a source.

Is god god? Yes? Does NOT need a beginning.

>>131048145

yeah whatever.

>>131047613

> Why can't we play motte and bailey and jump from 'vague creative force that could be entirely scientific and just not understood yet' to 'Galileean carpenter died on two sticks and saved us from sin'?!!?!?!

>>131048062
But I'm not defending any particular God, just giving my personal interpretation of the concept, the fact that you're demanding me for proof is so fucking dumb.

I think you might be autistic, a belief in something does not need to be proven to others, they are mine and I don't preach angrily, atheists do that

>>131048387
Energy is eternal without destruction or ending, eternity has been/being observed in the universe.
Numbers can go on without end as many other things in the universe. Infinite is being observed in the universe.
Life is able to separate itself other matter and form will/consciousness/ect? Consciousness is evident to exist within the universe.
There is indeed evidence for God.

>>131048383
it's a special pleading fallcy because you are asking me to grant an exception to your rule, which is that things that come into being need a creator.

You must now provide justification for your exception. Start with the existence of God, please provide valid evidence.

>>131048394
What the hell? Is this snek broken?

>>131037201
It arises from physical conditions.
>>131037563
It develops through physical processes.

>>131037201
Low quality bait.

>>131048626
>me to grant an exception to your rule
you're the one who wants to make the exception to God by saying he needs a beginning when God is consistently defined as an eternal infinite ect ect being. You're trotting fallacies all over the fucking place and projecting this onto your opponent.

You are ignoring definition and are being a complete retard thoughtlet.

>>131048394
What the fuck are you on about? Different people have different ideas about God. Doesn't mean every believer is in agreement with each other you autistic idiot.

>>131038790
Hell can't be that bad if he'll fondly recall the heresy that got him there.

>>131048432

> a belief in something does not need to be proven to others, they are mine

I'm sorry for invading the echochamber of your own head, my bad

atheists have a problem when your faggy babby mythology is used to justify public policy. Theists force their ideology down our throats more than we do, you fag.

>>131037563
this guy thinks natural selection is random

>>131048816
He will only have his memories of his ignorant mortality to distract him from the agonizing pain he will experience, but even they will not be enough.

>>131048870
>he says while he will lap up the big *BRAAAAAAAAAAAAP* theory without any second thought

>>131048894
I don't think that reminding yourself how you got yourself into a bad situation is considered pleasant to most.

>>131048996
Considering where you'll end up, it'll be the only pleasant things to occupy your thoughts.
Even the time his uncle touched him that cemented the moment he lost his faith.

>>131048769

God is consistently defined as an eternal infinite etc etc being as much as spiderman is consistently defined as a guy who shoots web from his palms.

GIVE ME EVIDENCE NIGGER

I can define my penis as being stuck to the inside of your moms vagina, that's not evidence for me fucking her.

>>131037201
Poor souls that lack intelligence or education or both.
Old wrinkly nannies that believe and follow God just for faith are leaps and bounds more connected to reality that these hopeless buttholes.

>>131049062
I think they'll have better memories to recall, in that case.

>>131049081
Energy, consciousness, infinity, universe, life, i mean you can try and try but the source is always going to lead you to the same conclusion. God.

>>131048969
>he says while he will lap up the germ theory without any second thought
>now let me burn some more witches I have a village to run you damn atheist

>>131048870
you blame me for your shitty government? lmao you really are autistic, you can't differentiate between people on the internet

I haven't even mentiomed
mythology, you're living a narrative in your autistic brain where you're an atheist warrior fighting against the evill religions that hold back humanity right?

kys

>>131047880
So you're one of those dipshits who believe the universe itself is god? So, what's your argument exactly?

>>131048579
1. if energy is eternal that means it was always there and god didn't create it. If god created energy that means it's not eternal in the first place. How did we observe eternity?
2. no we didn't observe infinity. we don't know how large our universe is. it might be finite.
3. life is simply what we call certain collections of organic matter. Matter at some point became life.

>>131049141
Probably not if their an atheist its existence of butthurt and degeneracy like pouring hot oil on their balls.

>>131049144
alright which God?

>>131049197
no, I get paid by Jews to spread degeneracy on the internet you fucking mongoloid.

luckily I'm Czech, we stopped believing in fairy tales a lot time ago.

>>131049287
Bruh that's one hell of a grammatic meltdown you just suffered.

>>131049316
>which God

can you be any more dense you autist?

>>131049316
>needs a specific God when you're an open theist
pls anon have you learned nothing?

1:Energy IS God, God is energy, god is omnipresent, energy as well(around you, inside of you, in light in matter)
2:We do, you will never see the end because the evidence is too overwhelming. Our computers will always be able to add a one to a number.
3.and it is not as simply as you think, something needs to push that consciousnesses into matter for it to form and replicate and know anything basic like breeding and feeding

>>131049287
There is nothing objectively immoral about pouring hot oil on your balls, you uptight bitch.

>>131048787

But the vaguer idea of God barely qualifies AS a God. It doesn't even need to be self-aware to be a Prime Mover, it could be entirely scientific.

If an atheist could feasibly believe in your concept of God and still be an atheist, it's not much of theism is it?

>>131049502
post also meant for this thoughlet here
>>131049206

>>131049430
slavs are subhuman

>>131049535
There is because you can 1)hurt yourself and 2)create a degenerate attitude that self harm and general faggotry is a-ok and not realize how much is destroys us and hold or civilization back.

>>131049547
If an atheist believe in a universal conciousness that is omnipotent omnipresent and eternal/infinite that can influence life and universe(what this entire thread is about) they are a fucking THEIST. TADDAAA

>>131049547
So? Why are you so fixated on labeling things? Are you unable to believe in something intuitively?

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Take the Solipsism Pill.

As far as I'm concerned, anything that falls outside my sphere of influence either doesn't exist or is irrelevant. I'm the most important and only sentient being in the universe. This universe began when I was born and will cease to exist once I'm dead. History is just backstory to the actual plot: my life, where I'm the mc and everyone else is just an NPC.

Never felt better.

>>131049624
It took you this long to realize we are argueing with beasts than men?
The fact they swarm this thread to shill against theism and promote nihilism is a rather satisfactory result that the shills are very bothered by this thread. Guess we will have to have more.

Always trying to push Christians vs atheist and not theist vs atheist because they can not handle this clearly. Theist is too broad for them to attack directly.

>>131049751

Absolutely none of those things are necessary except the infinite/eternal part.

>>131049840
there is some truth to this, but your actions have consequences external to you.

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>>131037201
>everything i don't know is magic

>>131049805

Sure! Just like SJWs intuitively feel that white men are to blame for all the problems in the world.

This is literally arguing for feelings over facts.

>>131049965
>you don't need a consciousness to organize things or create things
>everything TOTALLY randomly aligned itself.. randomly... go-guys.
lmao at your thoughtlet logic.

>>131037201
>see a Thread in 4chan
>its about Atheism
>look at OP
>OP is a Burger
>Cries about the heretics and complain about the facts against his imaginary god
>close thread-
> a normal @4chan

>>131050044

> Things have to be put there by a mind to have any semblance of order.

> Worships a jewish religion based around a jew, calls other people jews

And you call anyone a thoughtlet.

>>131050030
You don't see theists making violent protests on the streets or harassing people online costing them their jobs.

Meaningless comparison. I find SJWs and Fedora atheists equally pathetic

>>131049502
>Energy IS God, God is energy, god is omnipresent, energy as well
does that mean every time I take a shit i'm shitting on God?
good.
>Our computers will always be able to add a one to a number.
that's untrue. At some point we and our computers will be gone once universe reaches its end. We do not know any infinities in the natural world
>and it is not as simply as you think, something needs to push that consciousnesses into matter for it to form and replicate and know anything basic like breeding and feeding
Yeah, we have observed the process of simple matter becoming a self replicating organisms. we do not call them life but they do that. You don't need a personal creator for that push.

I mean sure you can call EVERYTHING a god. But what's the point of that? You can't make any more assumptions about this innanimate god-being without making shit up.

>>131050108
>>close thread>but not before i display the butthurt it brought me by posting in it
Silly thoughtlet

>>131050030
And that is not "intuition" you dumb fuck, it's years of social conditioning by cultural marxists. Not the same

>>131050151
>this computer built itself
>this sand castle? Evolution by chance randomly
>These bacteria we created in a lab? Ha! who needs a creator now?

>>131037474
Gayyyy

>>131046013
you said it yourself - if they are responding to something they have self-awareness. But they are responding because they are programmed to respond. Their program(read: instincts) is written into their DNA.

This means that they're actually not self-aware. Just like machines.

>>131046103
This part is irrelevant

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>>131050172

>You don't see theists making violent protests on the streets or harassing people online costing them their jobs.

HAHHAHAHAHA fuck yeah, theists never did anything to anyone! Not like they haven't been oppressing anyone who isn't part of their faith for thousands of years.

Pic related, if you want a modern example.

>>131037201
>I don't understand something so the obvious answer has to be that some higher conscious force did it! It's just common sense!!

>>131037201
If it didn't happen you wouldn't be here discussing it
Also, it had to happen.
Take the determinist pill

>>131050280

I bet you think that the water cycle was made by God, too, because you can't fathom the idea of an internally working ecosystem arising otherwise.

Look at a coral reef. GOD PUT IT THERE CAUSE IT'S BIG AND PRETTY AND DOES THINGS.

>>131050233
Sorry i can´t hear you sing "amazing grace".

Religion should be only allowed in your own house and not in public. Maybe, then all the salty sandniggers and bible Hobos would be peacefully.

>>131050364
Yeah, I bet you care a lot about those countries you cynical piece of shit.

Also how is it my responsibility? I fail to see your point

>>131050280
>>These bacteria we created in a lab? Ha! who needs a creator now?
If you're talking about the experiment I'm thinking about. The experiment was to introduce biased selection to simple organic matter to create life or life-like organisms. that means if given enough time it would happen by itself.
so yes it disproves a creator

>>131048892
>not realizing that any action or reaction is the product of natural process coming together in a single permutation of all possible physical outcomes which is in effect completely random

>>131050541

The only reason that I gave up on those countries is because theism has turned them into garbage shitholes and is trying to turn the rest of the world into a garbage shithole.

I didn't say it was your responsibility, but theists are the proto-SJWs and have harmed people for much longer.

>>131050388
>I don't know thing so thing doesn't exist!
>science hasn't proven thing so thing is not real!

>>131050658
>theists are bad
>all theism is bad

how is this fallacy called?

>>131037201
Well, Atheists need one miracle (the big bang) and then science can explain the rest. There is no science to "the big bang" it's just a the idea that a singularity (where did that come from) expanded over many billions of years that became cosmos we know. It's nonsense.

>>131050653
>all possible physical outcomes
which is exactly one
"random" is the most used word by retards I swear

>atheists getting btfo this hard in this thread
>it don need no creator this machine and bacteria we were able to CREATE
>if i ignore the fact god is omnipresent and omnipotent i can pretend they will form life without influences from god because i suck huuuge kike cock

>>131050332
>This means that they're actually not self-aware. Just like machines.
but this means they must have something that programed them in the first place. Just like machines.
>thoughtlets

>>131050543
>if given enough time it would happen by itself.
>so yes it disproves a creator
no it doesn't because they need to be organized in the first place. And no there is no proof it would happen without a creator. Even if left alone you can't even say its proof AGAINST a creator in the case I'm talking about because he is OMNIPRESENT/OMNIPOTENT. You disproved jack shit thoughtlet.

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>>131037201
Atheists are the simplest of souls.

>>131050916

> HAH! I said CREATION Therefore I define the CREATOR as GOD!
> I ALSO DEFINE GOD AS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNIPRESENT THEREFORE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS GOD
> Atheists suck kike cock, unlike me I follow my religion made up by kikes where they worship a kike on a cross!

>>131051147
>bringing christianity out of nowhere

this is how I know you're a shill

>>131051147
>define God
>atheist get butthurt
everytime

>>131048579
> making comparisons with energy and purely mathematical concepts when we hardly understand light, yet alone gravity and energy, as it is.

Now, of course, life being formed from inanimate matter is very peculiar, however, when you consider the given amount of time, places and opportunities, the single correct mixing of hydro carbons and other elements is not that provoking so that you must label it as divine intervention

Abiogenesis discusses all of this, including natural catalysts that can form necessary proteins to create self-replicating molecules.

Now, I'm going to assume that by believing in God, you believe you are it's chosen person / animal. But what differentiates you from other primates which also socialise, experience emotions and conflict like us?

I'm not trying to complete refute God and it's existence, I'm trying to say that both sides of this argument are as futile as the other as we literally have no idea what is going on around us.

>>131051147
But anon that is LITERALLY WHAT A GOD IS WTF
ahahaha fucking THOUGHTLET.

>>131051435
>t. didn't read the thread
>what is omnipresent and omnipotence

>>131050932
>but this means they must have something that programmed them in the first place
Yes. Evolution.
Evolution doesn't just alter appearances, it can also affect behavior and instincts.
>Well how were they programmed, thoughle-
Completely randomly. But that's only 1 part of evolution. The other part is selection. That is the part you are confusing as the "creator".
Natural selection works on the basis of death. Negative mutations cause death, positive mutations allow the organism to survive and multiply further. Simple and brutally effective. A very slow process, but evolution does take millions of years.

>>131051768
Why does it happen?

>>131037201
>>mfw theist think god is real
>>thinking consciousness/will can arise from no where and not a source
Take the atheist pill.

>>131051768
And where did this "evolution" rise from? hmm?
>implying the route for consciousness isn't something that has been present this entire time
>implying any partial element or matter in your body is unique to to earth and humans/life in this universe
>implying your body can possibly hold that much knowledge when it is mortal
>implying rna/dna/ect ect aren't cut off from the stock that is universal consciousness which drives things like evolution and formation of things withing it

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>>131052011
The source is God, dum dum.

>Implying time exists

Infinity doesn't mean infinite time, but no time. You're trying to define ultimate reality within a conceptual framework created by the mind for the purpose of making sense of its own subjective experience of existence

>>131046013
>>microorganisms
>>self aware
>>capable of anything beyond what they are programs to do by DNA/RNA

>>131051888
>>131052051
Mutations. Errors in replication.

>>131052118
If God can be infinite without a source, why can't the universe itself just be infinite and without a source?

>>131052320
>microorganism
>not unique compared to stagnate matter with no evolution
>not more complicated than such things

>>131052359
(((pure coincidence))) in other words, schlomo?
',;^)

>>131052359
Why does it continue to happen?
Why is it happening now?

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>>131052369
Because you don't know what God means apparently.
>omnipresent, omnipotent, infinite, ETERNAL being

>>131052369
Because consciousness exists. So sentience probably exists in a massive scale.

>>131052563
You don't understand my point.

If you accept the idea of an infinite, eternal THING like God, wouldn't it be simpler to conclude that the universe itself is infinite and eternal and didn't NEED a god to create it in the first place?

>>131052647
>>131052563
Have an explanation of the thought process that even a child can understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0

>>131052744
Wouldnt it be more logical to conclude they are one and in the same and not inherenly seperate? Omnipresents and omnipotence means all power and with in everything after all

>>131037834

Infinity is NOT a number, YOU STUPID FAGGOT HIPPIE.

>>131052744
See Spinoza.,

>>131052866
>kiketube brainwashing video
Fuck off shill
>everything happened by chance meme is less childish than the idea of all powerful creator

>>131052542
Mutations will always happen. It'll never end.

>>131052465
Those coincidences happen because of natural selection. Why do I have to repeat myself. Natural selection is what you claim to be the god.

>>131052950
Perhaps but I don't see any evidence of an omnipotent and omnipresent supernatural creator being, I do see evidence that there is a universe.

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>>131037201

I completely agree with you. We ought to remember who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE. They want us to think that the average person is powerless to positively change the world, but the TRUTH is that we have INFINITE POWER - both individually AND collectively. There's only one of us here. If you hit yourself on the head with a baseball bat, they'll put you in a mental hospital, yet that's EXACTLY what people are doing on a global scale. You can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't because the word 'God' has religious connotations that I would rather avoid. Religion is the McDonald's of spirituality.

What we need to do is to raise our level of consciousness, both individually AND collectively. If even one person raises his or her level of consciousness, it has a ripple effect that benefits EVERYONE ELSE, even if they don't believe any of this stuff - and this is because 'reality' itself is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature. One of the ways that they have manipulated us so deeply for so long is by suppressing our sense of the possible. What we call 'reality' is COMPLETELY ILLUSORY and thus MALLEABLE - and they KNOW THIS, while most other people do NOT. EVERYTHING IS ILLUSORY, EXCEPT PURE CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. NOTHING is impossible in a universe that is ILLUSORY TO BEGIN WITH. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power.

>>131053100
>natural selection
>selection
hmmmm.

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>>131053169

We're all one - and the beauty of this is that we don't have to be cucks despite this fact (and it IS a fact). We can STILL protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction. We ought to embrace nationalist principles to protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction even while REMEMBERING who and what WE REALLY ARE - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. Our TRUE STATE, our TRUE NATURE and our TRUE IDENTITY is Pure Consciousness and Pure Consciousness is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. We are SIMULTANEOUSLY one yet different in our oneness in much the same way that the waves of an ocean are one with that ocean but are also unique in and of themselves in that each wave has its own shape, speed and size. I think that's pretty neat. What we call 'reality' is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature, so we are in fact smaller versions of the whole (which you can call 'God', if you want). Every part of the whole contains the whole and, to be more accurate, IS the whole. And just as a drop of water contains the same qualities as an entire ocean of water, we likewise contain all that exists within us - but merely on a smaller scale. From unconditional love we ALL sprang and to unconditional love we ALL return. There is no death, only transference of consciousness. There are no answers, only choices. There are no hallucinations, only shifts in perception. There are no laws, only habits. There are no coincidences, only synchronicities. There are no truths, only experiences. There is no separateness, only oneness. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my message shall NEVER pass away. The message is more important than the messenger.

>>131053100
You're dense.
Why do mutations happen then?

>>131053169
A universal conscious with immeasurable possibilities and powers is pretty much God bro. You are, as man, between God and beast.
The right path in religion is mental enlightenment, social construction and organization, self betterment and other deep thought. The wrong way to take a religion is chopping baby dicks and sacrifice/idol worship.

>>131053084
It literally is.

>>131053396

>The wrong way to take a religion is chopping baby dicks and sacrifice/idol worship.

Agreed.

>>131053258
>Why do mutations happen then?
Because of mistakes during DNA replication or damage to DNA

>>131053181
Fine, I'll change my argument.

You god does exist. His name is natural selection. He did not design the elements nor the dna itself, but he sorta designed life to be what it is. He is the god of evolution and the god of humans as they are right now. He's maynot be sentient, he's more like an automated process...but he is your god.

Happy now?

>>131053711
No because God came BEFORE natural selection was a tangible process in this world otherwise these things wouldn't be able to manifest in the first place.

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>>131037201
>>mfw atheist think nothing is real

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>>131054091
>thumbnails
anon pls

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>>131037201
Oh boy, here comes the guys from /r/atheism

>>131037201
>>thinking consciousness/will can arise from no where and not a source
Like your god, right?

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>>131054455
>I don't know what God means

>>131054513
>I prefer to speak bullshit instead of tackling a point
>that'll get 'em
>MUHAHAHAHAAA

>>131054697
>god is an ETERNAL, infinite, omnipotent, omnipresent being
>ETERNAL

>>131054799
>the universe MUST have been created by an eternal, infinite, omnipotent being
>that being is god
>what do you mean the universe is eternal and infinite? what a load of baloney! do you have any evidence for that claim?

>>131054948
>the universe
>omnipresent
>omnipotent
>eternal
It is one of those things MAYBE.

>>131054948
>thinks the universe it infinit or eternal
To big to comprhend sure but that shit aint infinite or eternal, acording to a lot of scientists, specifically if it seems like its slowing down and prbably has an end. It is debated if the universe is actually infinit, doesnt seem likely mate

>>131054799
>omnipotent
Attributing your imaginary friend with self-refuting qualities doesn't solve anything. In fact, it just furthers others' legitimate disbelief of your little fantasy.

>>131055310
Anon, do you want to discuss God or not? You seem rather closed to the idea of it.

>>131051267

> Define God as an unfalsifiable hypothesis based entirely on assumptions and word games
>atheists call you out
FTFY

>>131051503

Okay, God is an unfalsifiable hypothesis based entirely on assumptions and word games then.