Is /pol/ fine with soft feminism like >equal salary >voting

>>130903035
Equal Salary is just the free market at work so yeah.

I think we should go back to only property owners being allowed to vote so effectively most women would lose the right to vote but so would most men

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No

Yes

Not a fan of all this "all women are whores" and "women don't have any goals or honor" and "women are stupid subhumans" stuff I see on /pol/

I think it comes from people who had shitty moms

I think most of /pol/ is fine with egalitarianism, and at the most have reservations and contempt for woman who choose to basically become men due to ideology.

Feminism is female supremacy movement and the soft feminism you speak of is only practiced by first previous waves. No one has a problem with based mom, for example.

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>>130903295

>>130903035
No voting rights for women.

>>130903035
voting rights fuck no most men should not have the right to vote in a perfect world we would not vote at all this experiment in which we give every dumbass the right to vote needs to die quickly also women should not work you are taking the spot for a man and doing a worse job at it

>>130903035
equal pay is fine i don't care, voting age needs to start in their 30's though because they are pretty fucking stupid.

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>>130903035
>equal salary

>>130903205
>Gadsden flag
>"We should reduce the amount of liberty in our nation"
Fuck off, cuck.

>>130903035
I don't know what the alternative is, but you're a politically cuckreckt moron if you think that women joining the workforce didn't do significant harm to families, and result in all other women being forced to work along with their husbands to be able to afford families.

Voting rights? Women and men perceive differently. So womens' suffrage changed the way that politicians market themselves, and the priorities of the society. Was it for better or worse? Debatable both ways, but I know it changed.

>>130903035

Those are examples of equality, not feminism.

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>>130903035

19th amendment was a mistake.

>>130903035
This is not feminism it's equal rights.

/Pol/ hates women so much it's starting to sound like gay guys in a gay bar rambling about women at their work

>>130903256
stopped reading at women didn't have the right to vote, that is simply not true so i doubt all the rest of the tl;dr reddit post has any merit.

people who had land were able to vote, whether it was a male of female....sure it resulted in almost exclusively males being able to vote, doesn't mean women didn't have the right to vote

>>130903035

abolish all rights for women - underevolved, inept, parasitic, mentally underevolved degenerates - basically animals - MUST not have power over society.

-> end of problems.

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>>130904020
You do yourself a disservice by not reading it

>>130903035
clean kitchen and trimmed pussy

>>130903035
>Sufferage
No

>Equal pay
Women shouldn't have to be forced to work because of low wages

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1/2 for you servicemen out there

>>130903971
Newfag. Normies gtfo my board.

>>130903035
>I just want to be able to call myself an activist so I'm going to complain about rights I already have

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2/2

>>130903256
"giving the women the right to work doubles the number of people looking for jobs while keeping the number of job positions available the same. This mean, at a bare minimum, all wages are halved and it will be a least twice as hard for anyone looking for a job to actually secure one"

This is the stupidest bullshit I've read in a while

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>>130903035
At first, i was enamoured with equality, and was for equal rights.
Then i fully accepted their biological inferiority, and adopted >>130903256's views.

Now, i actually cannot morally support the continued existence of women. They destroyed far too many civilisations in the past, and are far too easy to manipulate.
No, if Humanity is to have any kind of future of a geological timescale, we NEED to make women go extinct.
We need to embrace technological reproduction.
We need to artificial womb.


And for those that still cannot keep their instincts in check, remember that women are the only reason jews, niggers and others subhumans are around.
Without women, men would have slaughtered the inferior and the parasite long ago.
The hate born out of rational thought and impartial observation of men have always, is always and will always be neutered by the virtue signaling and bleeding heart of women.

Get a life, bin that wife.

>>130903035
Only taxpayers not on government assistance (excluding the elderly and disabled) should be allowed to vote.

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>>130903035
Giving women the right to vote was a mistake.

Women in the work place is also a mistake.

>>130904178
why work at all? i mean its taking a mans place and doing a worse job at it also now that man has to seek higher job because no woman is going to marry down only up and then no time for kids

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>>130903956
There was a time, when it was called feminism. I know, I live a little in the past.

>>130903035
>>>1747241

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>>130904378
That's retarded, women are central to reproduction. But not much else

>>130904231
Your level of obsession shows that you're probably underaged. You're a supreme gentlemen that I think the cops should know about

>>130903035
Living in a family of 7 sisters, no brothers, and no father, my first redpill was on women.
They do not think like we do. They have a brain that almost seems underdeveloped. Letting them behave the way they have for decades, letting them vote, have jobs etc. and most importantly: letting them believe that we are equal, were all some of the worst things we humans have ever done.

>>130903035
>soft feminism
lmao

>>130903956
equality its still a retarded liberal almost commie thing people are not equal neither are men and women they are different and should not be treated as equal

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>>130904550
>7 sisters
>no father

What the fuck, that's child abuse

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>>130903920

The men who fought under the Gadsden flag fought for the right of landowners to vote. Restricting the franchise is totally consistent with colonial-era conceptions of liberty. And, ironically, restricting the franchise to landowners would produce an America with greater liberty overall.

No.

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>>130903035
>voting rights
HAHAHHAHAHA no.
in just two generations of female voting you have already tried to hand over our country to every third wolder rapist with a sob story.

you should never be mistreated ,. but you are just too damn emotional to vote
one picture of a brown toddler on the beach and look at Europe now. For every murder or rape victim of these refugees, their blood is on your hands.

/x/

>>130903035
women (in USA anyway) already have these things...these are not an issue for feminism in USA at all

>Equal Salary
Yes, and they have it. So stop bringing it up

>Voting Rights
No. They fuck everything up when they vote.

>>130904463
No, the womb is central to reproduction.
Statistics about single mothers and single fathers demonstrate plainly that women are inferior at childrearing, at educating children, at turning children into productive members of society.
Of course, a pairbond is superior to a single father, but that where the robots comes in.
The gynoid, paired with the artificial womb, will be the basis of the coming eternal golden age mark my words.
( well, assuming technological civilisation and so Humanity soon after don't collapse due to subhumanisation pushed by the kikes and the traitors ;^) )

>>130903035
>voting

yeah no

>>130903295
Not sure you belong here friend. 9gag would be more your speed.

they already have equal pay so theres nothing to fight for. as far as voting in concerned. i'd say you need to pass a competency test in order to vote. cant like dumbasses vote for shit they barely understand

>>130903295
It comes from guys who have been burned by women with a Class B Personality Disorder

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>>130904758
Until that day we still need them

>>130903035
>Work the same hours as men and your bosses will gladly pay you the same
>Are you living in the middle east or something? Women can already vote

>>130903035
>>equal salary
>>voting right

USA women already have these things...this is a non-issue and therefore a non-question. You may as well ask "Should Women experience the same level of gravity as men?!?!!"

>>130903035
Not really.
I'm in favor of a traditional family setting.
Women can't work or vote and men get paid more so that they can take care of a family.
Giving women voting rights has made an appeal to emotions a valid tactic for gaining votes. Appeals to emotions end up promoting things that weaken our nation.
Women are just not fit to lead. Patriarchy is a time tested system. Women are too easy to take advantage of. The need to love, which makes women more desirable to men, also makes women make foolish decisions based on tears and lies.

>>130903256
This

>>130903035
>equal salary
Well no they should be at home looking after the children, a job that only Woman can do and a very important one.
>voting rights
Ehh that's a odd one as most would say no, but as long as they are well educated sure why not

>>130904150
the maker of that post did himself a disservice by lying, lost all his credibility there

>>130903035
No
>equal salary
Cunts shouldn't be allowed to have jobs at all.
>voting right
Cunts aren't people, only people can vote and have any rights.

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And the cherry on top

I thought I had more, but it's been awhile since I visited a women hate thread on arcanine

>>130903920
http://www.vindicatingthefounders.com/library/property-requirement.html

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>>130904292
buying power

why is it stupid, again?

>>130903035
women don't deserve shit

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>>130903035
no,its white sharia
women will be mothers and wives or sex slaves and war booty

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>>130903035
No

>>130903035
Wage gap's a fuckin myth retard.

>>130903205
What's stopping people from giving away 1cm pieces of land to control votes in this system?

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>>130903879

>Men pay women to exist

HAHAHAHAHAH
MY
FUCKING
SIDES

>>130903256
Economically retarded morally disturbing.
Just kys faggot.

>equal salary
Employers get good value from women because they don't have to pay them as much as men. If you force equal pay it makes less sense to hire a woman.

No, back in the kitchen or you work for free(forcing them to find a man with a job and therefore stop whoring in it's tracks)

>>130903295
t. woman

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>>130905201
"keeping the number of job positions available the same"

>implying women won't create any jobs

As for the graph, well what else can we think of that would drive the wages of "prduction/nonsupervisory workers down?" Could it be advances in technology? Other economic factors? Where's the evidence that this was due to women entering the workforce? It's not as if women suddenly entered the workforce en masse in 1972.

>>130904423
That Canadian slut likes nigger dick fyi

>>130904550
Did any of them ever rape you?

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>>130903205
so much for fpbp
please dont ever run for office

>>130904292
>This is the stupidest bullshit I've read in a while

"Supply and demand is stupid" -You

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>>130903920
God damn you fucking nigger faggot you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about

>>130906054
>It's not as if women suddenly entered the workforce en masse in 1972.
um

>>130903035
>>equal salary
yes, but only if they do the equal workload

>>voting right
no

>>130903035
I'm not. People are lost without purpose. An individual woman has an implicit biological purpose and will be valued by most of society regardless. Men are disposable unless they can rationalize their existence to themselves and others with things like jobs n shiet. Get the fuck out of the workforce, you don't need to be there like men do.
They also shouldn't vote. They are easily malleable by their neurotic obsession with groupthink. It also doesn't really make a fucking difference if their country succeeds or fails because they can always find a beta to support them. That's why nothing they ever do is worth anything, they have no skin in the game of life, they can trade their always hot commodity no matter what. Men either adapt or die, women do shit because they want to try it out and if they fail, no big deal. Society is one big fucking surrogate activity to them

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I do think Egalitarianism is right, but I have to say, women are fucking shit at politics. They either have no interest, or they do, but their opinion is dog shit.

Also they have shitty tastes in music

the only problem I have with women having the right to vote is that they support so many terrible policies such as welfare and immigration.

>>130906228
can you not read a graph bud? The increase of women participating in the labor force was fairly consistent; there's no noticable jump in 1972, but that is where the graph shows the sharp divergence between production and real hourly compensation. Also the source that graph is from doesn't say shit about there being too many people in the work force as a cause of this.

>>130903035
I think that equal pay shouldn't be a right for anyone and voting (indeed, citizenship) should be extended to only those who have volunteered for several years of state training and service. Non-citizens should retain non-political rights and live as legal residents

>>130903035
No,if you are that means you are either a beta cuck or a thirsty permavirgin that does not know shit about women.

>>130906318
Face the uncomfortable biological truth. Women and men are very different. They think in very different ways. Anyone who has spent time around the opposite sex knows this instinctively, but any honest neuroscientist, biologist, or doctor will confirm it. And simply watching some nature documentaries will confirm it, as well as its origin in biological nature, not social nurture. Female lions don't act like female lions rather than male lions because of the TV shows they grew up watching.

>>130906578
That's not in contradiction with the claim that women entering the work force caused wage depression leading to other, less willing, women needing to enter it as well. In fact it's more or less what we would expect to see: wage depression doesn't suddenly impact everyone in a huge way, it's rather a sort of creeping effect that slowly but surely fewer and fewer can hold out against.

>>130903035
> equal salary
They have that. The reason women earn less is job choice. Women choose easy majors in college which lead to shittier jobs (more psychology majors than engineers). There are other reasons which have a much smaller impact, like how women work less hours in a week, take more vacations, have maternity leave, and are less likely to take career risks (which yield more pay).

>>130906775
wage depression doesn't suddenly impact everyone in a huge way, it's rather a sort of creeping effect that slowly but surely fewer and fewer can hold out against

Then why don't we see that in the graph pre-1972 if women had been steadily joining the workforce up till then?

>>130906688
lol you don't have to tell me, desu. I know their tricks and I know what makes them tick.
Is this why women never built civilization? lol

>>130907026
>Then why don't we see that in the graph pre-1972 if women had been steadily joining the workforce up till then?

That's exactly what we *do* see - a slow and steady rise in participation month over month and year over year, without any real wobble at all, until we reach the threshold 70-80% level where the only women left out of the workforce are either not susceptible to the economic pressure due to their income level, or not capable of working or willing to work no matter the economic pressure they face, when the wobble begins to kick in.

>>130903035
wages should be based on work output
>base for the mental output of the human brain ~7/h
>a rate of pay based on physical exertion
>a rate of pay based on length and difficulty of training
>rate of pay based on experience
>perhaps some rate of hazard pay based on rate of injury/death

so firefighters would get like 7 + 20 + 10 + exp

call center worker sitting in a comfy office pushing a couple buttons 7 + 0.25 + 1 + exp

registered nurse 7 + [1 to 5] + 10 + exp

this way you can still make hiring women for labour profitable if they so choose to work the job. Paying people the same just because they can fog a mirror doesn't incentivize hard work.

>>130907485
This is some ignorant communist bullshit, the idea that a central planning committee somewhere can set fair wages for everyone that make sense.

The reality is that supply and demand work much better. If I have a billion dollar invention that just needs a really ace electrical engineer to do his thing with it, I should be able to pay a wage that allows me to hire the best EE I can find, and encourages more EEs to train up. In this way economies can scale based on demand in a more fluid way that accounts for all kinds of important things that are so minute and nuanced and strategic that a central committee would never be able to factor in due to the limited information available to them.

>>130903035
I would be fine with feminism, even some of the crazy shit, if they didn't do everything in their power to prevent MRAs or egalitarians from addressing issues faced by men and to act as a counterweight to feminism.

The biggest issue I have with feminism is that it has become an authoritarian movement wanting total control over society. The only reason they think patriarchy is bad is because it means they aren't in charge, they aren't actually against one group having control over everyone else, they just want it to be them.

>>130903035
Europe fell within 100 years of giving females voting rights. They never do as good of a job as a man does, don't bring me the "what if" bullshit because it simply isn't the case.

>>130903035
>equal salary
Already is equal, piss off
>voting right
Only because it's impossible to argue against it with normies so I just pretend I'm joking about it being a mistake

>>130907484
I have no idea how the fuck your getting that out of the 2 graphs posted and idc anymore desu. I'm just gonna leave with this though: if you remember way back to basic high school level economics, the three factors of production are land, labor, and capital. Without increasing one of these, the GDP of a country will not rise. Would we really be better off not utilizing half of our available labor?

>>130907485
Because central government planning committees have gone so well in the past haven't they?

>>130907675
you can measure the o2 consumption of a worker doing physical tasks and pay them accordingly. You can measure the time taken to pass a course. Time is money and they should earn that back + the cost of the education + interest and be able to profit on it over the course of their career.
How fucking retarded do you have to be to call asking for what it owed communism? It's the opposite. Businesses factor all of this into their products when they sell them, why shouldn't a worker be able to factor this into their product?

>>130903035
>equal salary
Forget the work equal. People should be payed based on the quality of their work and their reliability as an employee. Gender shouldn't be a factor.

>voting right
Women generally vote the way their husbands do. The problem is that there are so many unmarried women/single mothers with no strong male guidance in their lives. Fix that problem and the woman vote negates itself.

>>130905403
I know you're a leaf, but come on. You can just set a minimum land size and problem solved.

>>130903035
>voting right
That's exactly what got us into this shitstorm in the first place.
Prepare for white sharia.

>>130903035
voting rights yes

equal salary..............................

you get what you deserve, nothing more or less

i am against affirmative action

>>130903035
Original feminism is okay but second and third wave are absolute whiny trash and drivel.

>>130908049
nobody said central planning, a business owner can get their workers to do some simulated work and see how much o2 they use and set their wage. Harder worker = more o2. If I'm a 6'6 300lb man working physical labour should I be paid as much as a manlet doing 1/3 or less of the actual work?

>>130908051
>you can measure the o2 consumption of a worker doing physical tasks and pay them accordingly.

But that has nothing to do with the economic value that their work represents, so its a completely insane way to reward labor.

Under your system, a damned ditch digger would make more money than Albert Einstein. Is that sensible? People instinctively go where the money is, so if you pay ditch diggers more than Einsteins, you will end up with a lot of ditch diggers and no Einsteins. Is that what you want?

>>130903035
>equal salary
people should be paid whatever their employer wants to and they agree to, forcing there to be equal pay is going to let shit women and a few shit men get away with getting more money than they earn
>voting right
I'm not really sure I support anyone voting tbqh

that said I don't really care about feminism just when they get the government to do stupid shit for them

>>130908291
you can change it based on the job, regardless stronger men should be paid more than weaker men for manual labour.

Albert Einstein would be paid for all of his degrees and experience and would far out earn dozens of workers.

>>130903035
Women already have equal pay tho

>>130903035
I'm not fine with either of those things.

>>130903256
This is a good read, and if you want some videos that explain this further, then check out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOMkl3ApTK0

There is a reason why countless independent civilizations throughout history kept women subjugated.

>>130908616
Yeah those vids introduced me to BPS

>>130908659
Same. Solid introduction, too. It's no coincidence that the West has gotten progressively weaker as women have been granted more rights, nor is it a coincidence that it is in the process of being taken over by hyper-masculine third-worlders who hold extremely "misogynistic" views of women.

>>130908450

>regardless stronger men should be paid more than weaker men for manual labour.

No you should be paid whatever the business decides you're worth if you don't like it bargain if you don't like that unionize.

Remove the bullshit regulations then contracted the money supply because otherwise the economy's going to overheat.

Get the fuck out of the way of the market, not try to block it at every turn with nanny state social justice bullshit.

>>130908450
But the central problem still remains: you're trying to estimate what labor is worth, without having any skin in the game.

As an employer, I have skin in the game when I pay my workers. I have a vested interest in carefully strategizing based on tons of insider, expert-level information about the best approach to paying them. And if I fail at that, my business is harmed and probably will fail, while those who succeed at it will be rewarded with greater success.

As an employer, I know things no central planning committee, no schedule of wages drawn up by politicians a decade or two ago, could possibly understand. I know what my business needs to succeed. Taking that freedom away from me will only result in less successful businesses, forced into rigid and predictable formulaic decisions that increasingly diverge from the necessities and demands of socioeconomic reality.

>>130903035
>equal salary
If women did equal work, they should get equal salary. BUT THEY DON'T.

>>130908773
how does the business decide what you're worth? I'm saying the businesses should measure the o2 consumption of workers working and pay them based on that. So you could pay your workers less if they're half-assing. Under the current system I have no incentive as a man to work harder than the manlets I work with because they're all being paid the same. Paying your workers what they're worth is the bottom line.

>>130903035
>>voting right
no.

>>130903035
>equal salary
Of course. I want to be paid as much as a woman and have the same amount of time off and not go the extra mile for the company.
Protip: Woman within a certain age group are currently paid MORE for the same work and more likely to be hired.
>voting rights
Of course, what do you think we are? Muslims?

>>130908804
If ditch diggers dig a ditch and that ditch is sold to someone then you have a baseline
$1000 a ditch
company takes 200 for overhead and profit
800 divided by the crew of 3
1 guy on crew uses 2x the oxygen of the other 2 so he gets paid 2x as much
big guy gets 400 and the other 2 get 200 for however many hours of work

>>130909084
>how does the business decide what you're worth?

by how much value they're producing

I would make a joke about you never having had a job but this is 4chan so you probably really haven't

>>130909277
>If ditch diggers dig a ditch and that ditch is sold to someone then you have a baseline

But that baseline is based on yesterday's news. Old information. Whereas my business decisions are based on my expert calculations of what's happening today and tomorrow. That's the difference in flexibility of a free system versus the rigidity of a centrally planned one.

If a business owner wants to adopt your methods, nothing is stopping them from doing so. But forcing those methods on everyone in a central way is a recipe for commie-style disaster every time.

>>130909401
a larger man doing 2x the work produces 2x the value of a smaller man, either you're really bad at math or you're a man manlet working manual labour

>>130908804
That last sentence is pseudointellectual cancer.

>>130903035
Sure, not because I think it is good for society but I tend to oppose any system that I benefit from while other people are actively disenfranchised.

>>130909464
>it is impossible for wages to change based on the cost of production

>>130906578
>but that is where the graph shows the sharp divergence between production and real hourly compensation
????????????????????????????

The graph just shows labor force participation rate for women.

>>130903035
Naw, can't trust women with either of those anymore, I'm afraid.

>>130903035
No fuckface thats how we got in this sictuation in the first god damn place.

>>130904378
how stupid are you to think that jews (who literally own you) are inferior

dunning kruger effect

>>130909656
this one
>>130905201

Feminism is a slippery slope to believing things like treating shitskins like people

>>130903035
>equal salary
Already is a thing, don't care.
>voting
No, many women vote based on emotions tied to disgusting immigrants and the welfare state tit sucklers

>how does the business decide what you're worth?

GEE ANON THERE IS THIS THING CALLED PROFIT.

>I'm saying the businesses should measure the o2 consumption of workers working and pay them based on that.

It's not really needed it's just a minimum wage or price-fixing by any other name you're never going to have equality.

> So you could pay your workers less if they're half-assing.

Possibly if you could figure out a way to extrapolate that.

>Under the current system I have no incentive as a man to work harder than the manlets I work with because they're all being paid the same.

Congratulations you've literally just punished efficiency this is why Politburos have never worked.

>Paying your workers what they're worth is the bottom line.

This is silly I have no profit incentive to do so literally I'm going to pay my workers the least I can get away with because I want my business to succeed because I'm the one that gathered the capital. Under your system everything is standardized there's no competition why would you do that this is just spitting in the face of basic economics you've created no scarcity for desirable jobs because everybody pays the same.

Welcome To Venezuela

>>130909481

This is retarded this is just punishing anybody that comes up with an efficient system why when you can breathe really hard and make more money do you even comprehend basic economics!?

This is like Marx tier shit where did you even get this idea.

>>130909574
>That last sentence is pseudointellectual cancer.

No it isn't, it's the whole point of what I've been saying. Rigid systems of central economic planning ruin productivity. History demonstrates this in so many ways, including the development of information technology itself.

USSR and China had similar technology as we did in the 1960s. So why did the boom happen here, while they played catch-up on vacuum tubes? The answer is central planning.

Some committee of well meaning dumbfuck politicians and crony experts considered the value of computers in the 1960s and judged them unimportant investments of the peoples' resources except for scant military purposes.

Meanwhile, we bourgeoisie figured out that computers in the home could be a lot of fun. No real holy and justified need for them, we just kind of wanted them. So we got Apple and Atari and Nintendo while the USSR got more potatoes and vacuum tubes.

>>130909084
If you provide value for your employer you are 'worth' something.
Why do woman who own their own businesses (their own boss) make less money than men in the same situation?
Are they patriarching themselves just for shits and giggles?

>>130903035
It's a compromise I might be willing to make. Although that does depend what you mean by "equal salary". For the same work, experience, hours put in etc then sure. If you mean "Why do I as a female nurse not get the same pay as a male emergency surgeon? We're both in the same profession!" then you can fuck off.

>>130909815
>No, many women vote based on emotions
You really think this is argument?

>>130903256
lol all these ass blasted lolbertardians.

>>130903035
equal salary for as good of a job

Yeah, equal pay and voting are important. A lot of people on here will say no because some girl in the sixth grade made fun of them and they still haven't let it go.

>>130903035
Ideally women wouldn't have the right to vote and would stay their asses at home where they belong

>>130903295
I love my mom, and that's why I wouldn't wish slaving in the workforce on her or any other woman.

>>130903035
Equal salary is a meme. It doesn't exist for men, why should it exist for women?

>Bob and Tom work at Fitzenberg's
>Tom works hard every day, Bob is good enough but slacks
>Tom proves himself more capable
>Tom negotiates a higher wage, Bob gets nothing
>Karen comes in, fresh off the turnip cart
>Karen does not negotiate wages as she is a woman and less confrontational, nor has she proven herself
>Feminists think she should earn Tom's wage

Fuck equal pay.

>>130910106
Do you believe that the country should be run using reason or whatever is making people feel bad that day?

Men and women aren't equal, and shouldn't have equal rights/responsibilities.

>>130903965
now this was fucking funny. she wanted to show up and make a speech about running for office. they told her to shut the fuck up and sit in the back of the mosque

Yes for equal pay for equal work.
But for voting, there should be a rigourous test for all voters. This would help them sort their thinking.

>>130910238
So this is a raid thread eh? Where are you from? Leftypol? Reddit? Some facegroup group?

>>130903035
Sucking my balls... nope. Take your nigger aids with you.

>>130903295

The truth is something in between. Plenty of women are not whores but it when it comes to their voting patterns it cannot be denied that woman are left leaning.

The problem now is women don't have kids or a house so not a thought is given on how to maintain a decent society for future generations.

>>130910533
No I'm just smart enough to pick my battles nowhere in the world is taking voting rights away from women and stopping them from working going to fly it's just not a fight worth having.

>>130909902
>It's not really needed it's just a minimum wage or price-fixing by any other name you're never going to have equality.

well right now people producing 2x the work are paid the same, my system is far superior to the current "all men are created equal" bullshit.

>Possibly if you could figure out a way to extrapolate that.
the technology exists already to accurately measure it for cheap.

>Congratulations you've literally just punished efficiency this is why Politburos have never worked.
can you elaborate, because the current system punishes more physically fit workers who are being more efficient (smaller people have a larger percentage of their oxygen used simply keeping their organs alive). Pay is supposed to be incentive in a capitalist society right?


>This is silly I have no profit incentive to do so literally I'm going to pay my workers the least I can get away with because I want my business to succeed because I'm the one that gathered the capital. Under your system everything is standardized there's no competition why would you do that this is just spitting in the face of basic economics you've created no scarcity for desirable jobs because everybody pays the same.
My system is just the minimum, if you want to pay einstein more than this system dictates by all means you can poach all of the workers you want.

>This is retarded this is just punishing anybody that comes up with an efficient system why when you can breathe really hard and make more money do you even comprehend basic economics!?
simply breathing hard doesn't burn more oxygen, oxygen is used to oxidize fat and that happens when you exert yourself. You can raise the o2 saturation in your blood by hyperventilating but you won't use more than anyone else besides that which is used by your lungs / diaphragm and peripheral muscles.

You can call this communism all you want but the fact is paying people who produce unequal amounts of work the same is a form of communism.

>>130910674
oxidizing fat and cellular respiration**

>>130904020
Women did not have the right to vote until Kate Shepard came along.

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>>130910674
>unequal amounts of work the same is a form of communism.

>Hey maybe we should let the free market determine the price instead of fixing them?

>Nah that's a form of communism.

>>130910966
lets say you work hard and I do the bare minimum, would you be happy when we get our equal paycheques at the end of the month? What about if I got half or even a quarter of what you got and you could rub it in my face? What then?

Now consider my half-assing = welfare and you're a wagecuck

>>130903035
>equal salary
gender wage gap is a myth that's been busted long ago. They ARE paid equally for what they work.
>voting right
although women tend to vote emotional and not rational, at this point I might give in and support them having voting rights, given they receive special education in school to learn that your choices should prioritize logic over emotion.

>>130903035
no fucking way

>ctr +f
>white sharia

>>130905296
>>130908091

good lads

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>>130903035
>equal salary
When i worked as a butcher i knew stations 1-2-3-4 and i got paid more than people who only knew 1 or 2 stations. I was more valuable to the company so i got paid more.

>>130910238
Getting rather tired of this non argument being the *only* counter argument given. It's on the level of "yeah but you're a poopy head" and only solidifies my thinking on women being entrusted with an individual say in the running of the country.

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No you fucking bitch. Any piece of property that believes it had any semblance of sentience does not deserve equal rights or pay. In fact they don't deserve rights at all. You're lucky that your husband has not stoned you yet for speaking such sinful words.

>>130903295
I have a great mom, however as an adult I can recognize how much easier her life would have been if she didn't have to work a job while raising me.

Also she has been voting dem religiously her whole life and has no knowledge in the slightest of any other worldview. She will vote in every single election her whole life for every bond, every increase in welfare state, and larger government. I've tried to bring up the dangers of making more people dependent on the government and she had a blank angry look on her face. This is true for my sisters as well. It's as if women are programmed to vote dem

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Nope. I believe in white traditionalist patriarchy.

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>>130903035
>equal salary

Equal work for equal pay. I make a fuckton on an oil rig, all 30 other workers make the same amount, 1 rig worker is a female dyke and makes equal pay to me. The office staff is 80% female and they make half of what I do.

That is fair . Pay equality is already here because its the law. not enough women actually do hard work which is why the statistics always show men make more.

>>130903035
>equal salary
Who in their right mind still believes this is a problem?

>voting right
No, because women are too prone to vote for socialism and expanded government powers. That way they can turn to daddy government to be provider for their kids, without having to do anything that a housewife would normally do.

>>130903295
>I think it comes from people who had shitty moms
Wonder why their moms were shitty? Probably had nothing to do with them being money obsessed Boomer bitches hopped up on feminism, hedonism and consumerism or anything.

>>130910342
>implying men don't vote based on their feelings
Only difference is they're different feelings.

>>130903035
Women do get equal salary, dipshit. But by and large they have no business working. It floods the workforce with useless unskilled labor and produces bullshit jobs like PR. There's a reason you can't live on a single income anymore.

Women should not have suffrage. By and large they only vote with their feelings, and prioritize irrelevant bullshit like faggotry-of-the-month rights instead of issues like the economy or foreign relations.

>>130903035
>Equal salary
They already have it
>Voting rights
Women can be manipulated

I am fine with the current amount of rights, feminists are just creating straw men to prolong their fight.

>>130905660
Where are your arguments roastie ?

>>130903035
You are asking if /pol/ is retarded?
Yes.

>>130908079
>You can just set a minimum land size and problem solved.
But who would enforce it? The government?

>>130904034
this is just mgtow tier shit
women make good mothers, and i love my mom

>>130903256
>libertarianism is inherently and fundamentally left-wing
Aaand he lost me. Good read, but I don't agree.

>>130903205
FPWP

>>130903256
SPBP

>>130912347
Chances are most of these people come from broken or abusive households. Their anonymous opinions are relatively meaningless because they can never defend them in a real public forum without their name hidden.

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>>130903035
Women don't need voting rights - it pits them against men and politicians use this tactic and it brought welfare to every country that let women vote therefore, ditch the need for a husband, the state is the new one

>>130903035

Personally, I'm not. Voting rights is madness. But then again I'm no liberal. I think that the only occasion in which a woman should be allowed to vote is if she has been a good woman and her husband has died and left her alone with children. In that case, a woman should be able to vote in order to represent that family's interests in the Nation.

But I am against most men voting as well. I am not a democracy fetichist.

Regarding equal salary... I accept that, I just think women should have an option to sit out of the labour market without facing jew-threats. Family and shit...

Equal salary is a necessity because if we don't do that, some shit country will do that and our women will start thinking about moving there for the benefits, like (((Hollywood))).

And never forget the most important: Kill feminism, kill feminists.

>>130903205

Fucking Based!!

But of course that census suffrage should be preceeded by some sort of ethnical right too.

Wait for the trailer trash to start: But... but... we're republican too...

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>>130903035
no feminism is just communism with a vagina

>>130903920

It would increase liberty.
Becareful, they might cuck you whithout you noticing...

>>130903295
I have little to reproach to my mom, she always did her best for me.
She was stay at home by the way, me and my brother turned fine and my parents are happily married since 30 years.

Women are not subhumans and I don't hate them, that doesn't change the fact that they are different and trying to make them fulfill the same role as men is disastrous for western civilization, especially when you consider that women are less happy after 30 years of feminism, even relatively to male.

Funnily it's always the bitchy female "friends" of my mother who try to shame her for having stopped to work to raise us, despite the fact they have low tier job like medical secretary or are bottom government workers and their children are less successful than us, men really don't care if women don't work and I suspect most of them would be happy to have their wife mainting the home than slaving for a boss in some office.

>>130905403

Totally Leaf...

>>130912436
eat shit faggot

>>130904020

I know your no-country is special, has no history, and you probably think that all half decent European and European derived countries are more or less like that anti-Nation of yours but, historically, girls were prevented from meddling in the business of men.

And rightly so, as anyone who is over 7 years old - even fucking muslims - can attest.

And you are the one who loses by not reading that shit picture shit.

> voting rights

ehm noo sweetie

>>130909777
Simple, jew cannot create a civilisation.
They always either destroy or are expulsed from existing civilisation.
Parasites are by definition inferior, as they cannot live in autarcy.

Just look at the current state of the world. They are destroying every single civilisation at the same time.
Now, the fact they do it IS impressive.
But wouldn't a human think "but what happens after that ?" ? Why does it never occurs to jews ?
Because, like women, niggers and the others subhumans, they live in the now. Both the past and future, their mind cannot grasp. Only the now exist.
Living in the now is the defining feature of the subhuman.

>>130903696

Isn't that the exact definition of a cuck?

Specially, if the children they take care of are not theirs, as they so probably aren't...

>>130903786

The earlier "young stupid people" vote for the left and see it will fuck them in the ass, the earlier they get... "normalised".

21 seems a pretty good age to start voting. Preventing a man from "voting" once he already has everything or almost everything to be able to start a family is not good.

But there are other ways to shake the "leftist youth" out of the voting boxes.

>>130904665

Based guy. With a great knowledge of history.

I mess around with americans, calling them burgers, but sir, I am delighted whenever I find an american worth the past greatness of that country.

Have a good day.

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>>130903035
No and my mother explained it to me perfectly.

When she was a young adult (when she first met my father) she had a choice. She could continue working in the pharmacy where she was currently employed, or she could move in with her fiancee and be his house wife, taking care of his laundry and cooking and cleaning, and eventually, me.

She chose the latter, and hence I have always grown up with a cooked meal each day, clean bedsheets and fresh clothes and human attention.

Women now days dont have that choice, feminism made that choice for them, for all women, not they HAVE to work, and not only in workplaces where women feel comfortable, they have been shoehorned into the mans world too.

Women are now less happy working where they are not suited. Men are less happy without a loving female to take care of them after work and the knowledge of being a breadwinner, just an immasculated 50%. Children grow up in front of television screens and their parents will seperate before they're even teenagers because of the imbalance of the marxist family model.

>>130904444

Kek

>>130912324
I assume that would be included when you register to vote, the state has to have the property values on hand with the city.

City won't issue you any permits at all without a zone inspection.

>>130904034

A few women have ruled the world.
None has conquered it though.
Hilary would probably be the first to do it if she was willing to nuke a few cities in Russia...

Women should not have the vote

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It's funny how when women got the right to vote and enter the workforce past childcare that society and civilization took a nosedive. Yet they will endlessly blame it on men and the evil patriarchy that they are actively involved in crashing and burning with no survivors.

>>130904226

This is because "society" stopped enforcing what it was once its moral duty to those who defend it.

The fact that america still has volunteers for its army, instead of an army made solely out of mercenaries, is, astonishing.

>>130904292

It is stupid at face value.

However, the law of supply and demand still stands. The decrease in purchasing power and the decline of the dollar (and the decline of money to such an extent that the gold standard had to be done away with) indicates that if you wanna dig it economically with more sophistication, you probably can.

>>130904319

When the people who should be happy to be impregnated by us are actively trying to fuck us, its time to "wash" the tree of liberty with some blood.

>>130913910
we're literally going extinct because of this phenomenon, women have to work because they can't rely on a single breadwinner, thus cannot devote time to childcare or even maternity leave.

If you look at the birthrates they went inversely proportional to women in the workforce

Thats really early feminism to the point where thats considered just equality your talking about. which is normal. btw if your one of the cucklords spouting shit like "all females are subhumans who are underdeveloped" 1 im sorry your mom molested you 2 Im glad you think that way cuz more pussy for the rest of us here with 23 chromosomes 3 Women voting helped focus the political situation from focusing on family values to individual values, which is better because if we didnt you wouldnt be free even as a cis white male because nobody would fuck with the government about their stupid side shit they pull because individual freedoms dont exist. Freedom of speech wouldnt be as lenient as it is and this site wouldnt even fucking exist. None of you would do any drugs, noone except cis white males would have any rights (which i know half you uneducated sickos are ok with) basically turning the USA into an oligarchy, fucking the economy and turning us into south africa.

>>130904378
>Now, i actually cannot morally support the continued existence of women. They destroyed far too many civilisations in the past, and are far too easy to manipulate.

Complains he cannot manipulate them.

When your mental age passes through puberty, you will understand that *some* women are pretty needed so Civilisation can flourish.

>>130904550

Be strong. If I were you I probably wouldn't be alive...

>>130903035

sure, equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome like the EU push for.

>>130906688

And yet, women can be raised to be nice and prestative or disgusting whores...

>>130903295
Remember that /pol/ is not one person. Sometimes I speak up against things that I disagree with here, sometimes I just suck it up and drive on.

>>130903035

>Voting rights

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Get fucked.

morally:
>women should have the right to vote

practically:
>women are absolutely retarded politically and shouldnt be given the right to vote

>>130903205

>Equal Salary is just the free market at work so yeah.

lol wut? Only if by equal you mean 'you get what i think you deserve'
there is no system in place to make sure its equal

>>130914858
No, women's only effect on Civilisation is decay.

>>130908007

Hello there, that is just stupid semi-marxist economist shit.

The increase of your GDP per capita is related only to your gains of productivity.
I'm talking about GDP per capita because it is easy to up your GDP. You see, if a Mexican goes to the U.S. and works half a week and is payed the same as the average american for that week, the U.S. will have an increase of GDP but a decrease in GDP per capita.

To the point:

You can have an increase in GDP by sending women home and make men work if a men's productivity doubles.

Now, in the long run. Imagine you allow every man to have a wife that takes care of the home, the children, etc so that it is "really" taken care of. You won't have to pay for that shit. Women at home are already more productive to society although GDP per capita has halved.
Now imagine a man who has no worries about home, he'll work more and better, and have something to work for once he understands his virtuous wife and family disearve the effort.

Now imagine that we have more and more children so in the future we'll have more...

FUCK YOU, OF COURSE WE'D GAIN ECONOMICALLY BY SENDING WOMEN HOME!! And I'm not even considering those shit Scandinavian like scheemes of the state paying women to actually stay at home so the GDP inflates even more...

Open your mind, dude...

>>130915504
if you're going to restrict voting because some people are stupid just limit it to an IQ test to make sure they reach a certain milestone

>>130903035

I'm not. Feminism in general is what got us into this fucking hot mess.

Voting rights is what fucked us over the most. Women vote with their goddamn feelings. Who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to allow them the vote? Seriously, just deal with a woman for a minute and you'll see that there's no way they should vote.

>>130908091

Why say white sharia and sound trashy while you could say Traditional European Civilisation and sound like the greats of yore?

>equal salary

you are a fucking retard.

I don't have equal salaries with bill from the office over. So which one will women's be equal to? Mine or Bill's?

Kill yourself, please die.

>>130908804

Are you for or against the minimum wage?

>>130903035
>equal salary
bretty dumb desu.

if you're a salaried worker you're a skilled worker. if you're a skilled worker there should be disparities in skill between you and others that is reflected in a disparity in compensation and promotion opportunities.

should employees be paid the same for no-skill jobs that robots will soon replace? sure whatever who cares.

>>130909983
>USSR and China had similar technology as we did in the 1960s

No one will ever read shit you post on pol.

GET OUT!

>>130911114

All KrautsRCucks

>>130903035

No.

We've wanted equality for two decades.
We've pandered, we've given AA a try, we've stood back and let everyone else have a piece of the pie.

Different races;
In their own countries, they wouldn't do the same. We would not get that hospitality we've given.

Genders;
Yay, equality is great, but those evil pigs are still oppressing us. No, you can't complain about the organ harvesting industry stealing your parts of your genitals. No you can't complain about legal slavery that is divorce courts.

I don't support it, because these days, women are only supporting it because WE ARE WINNING.
The moment we show weakness, they'll go back to the hate, the female supremacy.
The time for actual equality has passed.
Like Jews, you didn't know when to quit, right up until the backlash.

>>130913910

Why did we ((())) allow this to happen?
We need to fight (((them))) back.

We, men, are partly to blame, We shouldn't have allowed this to happen.

>>130915811

In my country people just died like flies because of forest fires.

Some women helped the firefighters by making meals. That's good.

Women only make civs decay when men are not around to stop and slap them.

>>130917073
Glad we agree on any meaningful timescale, civilisational decay and collapse are inevitable with women around.
I thought for a moment you implied women are people, haha

>>130903035
Equal pay at Equal work.
It is not the case. Also i am opposed to women working.

Vote rights ?
For more rapefugees, more lgbt idiocy ?
Women are emotionnal. Therefore, no sane society that wants to remain sane should let them vote.

>>130903035

I am against voting rights 100%. I also don't believe women should be in the work place

drastic calls for drastic measures

>>130903035
>equal salary
maybe
>voting right
no
>equal rights
no

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>>130903205
>Equal Salary is just the free market at work so yeah.
equal salary laws are not free market at all
>I think we should go back to only property owners being allowed to vote so effectively most women would lose the right to vote but so would most men
you only want greedy heebs and chinks voting

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>>130903035
>equal salary
Salary should be based on performance not pussy.

Women already have lower unemployment than men and demand all the kushy executive jobs based on "battle of the sexes!"

You want to battle by supporting Islam, Jews, and white genocide, then fuck niggers. That's not a battle that's suicide.

>>130903035
No because the slippery slope does in fact exist. Women need to just be kept in their place.

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>>130903295
>Not a fan of all this "all women are whores" and "women don't have any goals or honor" and "women are stupid subhumans" stuff I see on /pol/

No it comes from Jews.

Women are the key to Nationalism. That and exposing 9-11 and the WW2 lies.


Reminder: The first female helicopter pilot in history was an "evil nazi".

>>130903035
>equal salary

that's a dumb statement in itself, no employer will hire anyone who must be paid more by law

>>130903035
No. I oppose universal suffrage in general.

I think women should be able to vote... But only once they've had a child.

Men should be able to vote as soon as they get a job/invest in the nation in some way.

>>130903035
Before the last 8 years of Obama and the near fatal disaster averted with Clinton I would have said yes. Now, though? Fuck no! You bitches fucked it all up and were all too willing to treat every damned refugee and criminal like they dindu nuffin.

>>130919141
This. Every great white man came from a white woman. Our women have accomplished more than entire races

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>>130903035
Democracy should be abolished. It is always deception, herd mentality and marketing which decides the winner. This is not the way in which a civilised nation should be run.

And yeah, equal salary for the same level of productivity, why is this even up for debate? Now, whether you believe women should work or not is a different matter altogether.

>>130903295
Women left to their devices and allowed complete freedom... are whores.

Especially true when society has no religion. Women need God as their constant chaperone.

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>>130919566
Having a child is no accomplishment, and neither is being a street cleaner. Stupid people should have no say in how the country is run.

Yeah, of course. Honestly, there are too many scum among males , so i don't consider that men have to be privileged gender.

I'm pretty on board with everything up to second wave feminism. Third wave is neo-marxist garbage and needs to be purged

>>130903035
No.

>>130903035

voting right only if they have accomplished their duty to their country and have born 2 kids

same goes to the men if they have served their country in military or social services

>>130919566

Bad idea. That means that the whores that pop out babies like a cockroach will be able to vote as well.

It'd be better to just extend voting rights to women who are married AND have children. They tend to vote right too, so it wouldn't be that bad.

But personally, I just wouldn't give women voting rights at all. Hell our whole voting system just needs to be reworked. I agree that only men who have a job and pay taxes should work. It's literally cruel to have non-tax paying leeches be able to vote so that they can screw the tax payers.

>>130905403

um... the coastguard?

>>130904423
Democracy was a mistake.

The literal equivalent of allowing a bunch of morons to decide the fate of your country.

>>130903035
Fine my arse. Women voting is what has been dragging the west down, who votes to import millions of immagrints? As far as equal pay goes, women do not put in equal work and can't take criticism.

>>130903035
No. Giving women the vote was a mistake.

>>130903879
Isn't it because of various welfare directed at kids that gets counted as for women?

>>130923140
I've always seen people say this, but there's never any evidence. It's not women, it's young people in general. Heck, a slight majority of white women in the US voted for Trump. Meanwhile, young guys and young girls stayed away from him in droves.

how does equal salary work like im a man but i earn less than the other man who has worked at my job for 10 years longer than me so we have unqual pay so should I protest this?

>>130923570
Most likely. Don't expect infographics to not be biased.

>>130903035
> equal salary
> soft feminism

if your 'soft feminism' means anything other than 'market based meritocracy', then go gas yourself. note that women tend to be hugely overpaid already in the government jobs they tend to take, where men and women without children take the hit for their massively lower productivity.

>>130923676
The idea is equal pay for the same work. In reality, women earn like 2% less than men for the same work on average, and younger women even earn more than men in a lot of cases. The 72% figure can explained by women's choices. For example, female doctors earn less than men, but that's because they go into less well paying fields like pediatricians, while men choose stuff like cardiology.

>>130912812
Yeah. A lot of women actually have horrible fathers and mothers. Both my 3 friends that are girls had abusive dads, an alcoholic or druggie mum that doesn't really care too much about them. It's sad, especially seeing what they have turned into. They have turned into why I dislike women, why I think they shouldn't be allowed to vote or get power. They can work any other Jobs they like. Just those two things I believe they shouldn't.

>>130905201
>By 1973, the Bretton Woods system was replaced de facto by a regime based on freely floating fiat currencies that remains in place to the present day.
Herp derp

>>130903035
Sage Sage Sage.

This is just another Kremlin - "West is Degenerate" thread (women/feminist edition)

>>130903256
I was ready to dismiss this, but it actually makes some valid arguments

Equality is a fucking lie.
The Enlightenment was a mistake. The Protestant Revolution was a mistake. We've been on a downhill slide ever since. Jordan B Peterson is the first person who seems able to see what's going on and start clawing his way back up and bringing Western Civilization with him.

Women belong IN THE KITCHEN. /b/ had it right all along.

>>130903295
Tits or gtfo

>>130903035
>any movement asking for the government to institute "equality"
This literally never has and never will end well. Everyday, the more I think about it, the more anarcho-tribalist I become.
>someone rapes your wife
>instead of being forced to call the police and have the government do the justice, you just beat the man to death
>someone robs you
>you can CHOOSE if you want to just beat his ass a little and let him go or lock him up in your own personal jail
>not paradise

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>>130910422
>>130903965
BASED islam

>>130903035
>equal salary
>voting right

These things already exist, no need for feminism.

>>130903635

Modern politics summed up perfectly.

>>130903035
Equal salary, enforced by the state? FUCK NO.
Tell these stupid fucking cunts to negotiate better and to accept their terms of employment or don't take the job.