Tell a millennial their precious planet saving car emits more

http://archive.is/DCWp1

i dont care

>>130850638
You think the first petrol engines ran at 60mpg? These have been around for less than 10 years and we're getting closer to a number of new ways to create far more efficient batteries.

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>>130850638
yeah but the batteries last like 100 years

And after 8 years it's carbon neutral

>>130850638
8 years of 100 gas cars:
100 CO2s
8 years of 100 tesla cars:
100 CO2s

9 years of 100 gas cars:
200 CO2s
9 years of 100 tesla cars:
100 CO2s

100 years of 100 gas cars:
100,000,000,000 CO2s
100 years of 100 tesla cars:
100 CO2s

so hard to understand, yes?

pretty sure most tesla owners don't care about the "green" factor

This comparison doesn't mean anything unless you compare the total CO2 emissions from manufacturing and using both.

saged

>>130851139
wrong dummy, some of the first cars were electric

>>130850638
but its over by 8 years. then its a lot lower. how many years worth of fuel does it take to make one normal car?

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>>130850638
>B-But muh out of sight, out of mind
top kek

>>130850638
kek.

Also, don't forget to tell Vegans that all of their food has dead animals in it at some level.
Plants eat nutrients from the soil around them.
The soil is filled with dead bodies that have broken down over the years.
Also don't forget to tell them that only a genetic freak mutation allows a very small group of men to BENEFIT from veganism, but every other human it is detrimental to.

this bullshit needs to stop

>>130851239
>Implying that millennials who buy a new iphone every 9 months will keep their cars for over 8 years before sending them to the junk yard

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Its still a step in the right direction. Improving battery design is key. Our fossil fuel power sources will be replaced eventually as well.

>>130851171
Why do they use magic batteries in those cars but not anything else?

I'll believe that when I see one that's 100 years old with the original battery. I bet you can't even find one that lasts 8. Some googling says the warranty is only 8 years too.

>>130850638
>millennial
>buying tesla cars

m8, most millennials can't even afford their cheapest models.

>>130851171
>>130851208
>>130851239
>>130851298
>>130851354

>Telsa owners owning them for over 8 years
>Carbon neutral power to charge them

Niggers please..

>>130851343
have they had as much investment as petrol cars though? The main principles of the internal combustion engine are still the same today, but those old electric cars used different types of batteries

>>130851239
>8 years of 100 gas cars:
>100 CO2s
>9 years of 100 gas cars:
>200 CO2s

Why did everyone drive 8 years worth in year 9?

>>130850638

kek

>>130851239
Except those batteries are going to be about done after 8 years.

>>130851685
>>Carbon neutral power to charge them
Hyrdoelectric isn't carbon neutral?

>>130851707
>have they had as much investment as petrol cars though?
seems pretty obvious that they have not

>>130851676
>cheapest models

Funny, because there aren't any and NEVER will be, the proposed model 3 or whatever, the so called affordable tesla will end up being expensive as well

>>130851869
Charging stations have their own damns do they?

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>>130851239
https://www.quora.com/How-often-do-a-Teslas-batteries-need-to-be-replaced

>>130851869
>Everything is hydroelectric
>Building a plant is carbon neutral

>>130851994
hence my entire argument.

>>130851239
F-C-PBP

>>130851603
>>130851685
>What is the used car market?

>>130851603
>implying millennials can actually afford a tesla every 8 years or at all

>>130851869
>Kill the local ecosystem
>muh hydroelectric
yeah, nah, and it still ends up being not carbon-neutral

Although HES are the only real working "green" energy sources

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>>130851676
>m8, most millennials can't even afford their cheapest models.
Greatest ally here, I'll do whatever it takes to get you in that car. Just tell me what you want your monthly payment to be!
>96 month loan 20% interest

>>130852231
The batteries don't even last that long you faggot

>>130851765
America enters a golden age of prosperity and cheap fuel and everyone starts driving a lot more.

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>>130850638

>>130851239
Of course a leaf. Lithium batteries don't last that long. After a quick google search, it was estimated that after 8 years they would lose 30% capacity. Also the loss of capacity increases faster as the battery ages, meaning there is a good chance you would need to replace the battery within ~10 years. Add that to the fact these cars won't last more then 15, they are at BEST equal to standard cars...if not worse

>>130851707
>have they had as much investment as petrol cars though?

Battery research goes on for decades already and certainly did not start with the recent "boom" of Tesla. Especially in the military, battery research plays/played a big deal. The research in this area is ongoing for decades already with billions spend on this.

>The main principles of the internal combustion engine are still the same today, but those old electric cars used different types of batteries

What nonsense this is. When you look at it in detail, i.e. on the physics/chemistry level, then the main principles behind battery also did not change (how could it?). We just found materials with a higher energy density, electrode more resistance to corrosion and ones with higher electrical conductance (and some other details). The main working principle, neither of the batteries nor of the electric engine, certainly did not change.

The next "hope" in battery research are solid state batteries but so far, they only give more safety because they can't burn but they are barely better in terms of power per weight compared to the Li batteries currently used.

>>130852065
Quebec's big on hyrdo

It's not the case everywhere, but I was asking as someone from Quebec, not with a global-view

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>>130852129
your argument seems to be they haven't had as much development so they have had no development

>>130851239
But this is wrong you dingus.

Using your own numbers
100 gas cars = 100CO2 units/8 years
100 tesla cars = 100CO2 units/100 batteries produced.

Extrapolate, 100 tesla cars = 100CO2 units at fabrication of batteries = 8 years of driving 100 gas cars.

Immediate impact of electric car battery fabrication is devistating compared to almost a decade of driving a standard gas vehicle. When they can make the batteries using eco-friendly manufacturing practices, then I'll buy one.

>>130851490
Or that veganism is only a viable diet due to globalization, which has caused more ecological disaster than anything in history.

>>130851343
>Electric car

Yeah, so it doesn't get 60mpg.

B T F O
T
F
O

>>130850638
electric cars make sense in the city, not really anywhere else though

>>130851171

[citation needed]

Electric cars are for homos and niggers. I drive a powerful prius
>V8 muscles are the real planet saving cars or diesel trucks.

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>>130850638
>Calculation assumes battery factory runs on half fossil fuels

Musk is making the factory run on solar.

FAKE NEWS

>>130852552
cucked by an ameriburger again

>>130850638
>Trump preserving Earth

I was hoping to pump the planet but this worl, too.

Niggers exist, so this means nothing.

>>130852329
Yes they do. They last longer than the old boat-style battery pack I have in my car, and mine has been going for over 13 years now. Also our battery refurbishing and recycling technologies have improved a whole lot, and these bullshit articles don't take even the worst refurbishing or recycling methods into account. It's more about politicians making deals for resources and how they've set up the dollar than anything related to the environment.

>>130850638
Most of them go on to cry how that will be fixed when everyone is driving electric vehicles. However they don't realize that for the consumerist society we are, people are going to buy an electric vehicle and eventually buy a new one as much as they can. This is the shitty effect that people experience when they see people with new stuff.
More and more cars will be produced and more pollution will be created. That and they seem to ignore all the factors when it comes to production from mining all the way to shipping the vehicle overseas.

The future is hydrogen powered vehicles.

>>130851354
Batteries eventually lose their ability to store electricity you rube.

>>130852797
>solar manufacturers don't use fossil fuels

Any pastas about musk and electrofags out there?

Someone had to make at least one that ends up with rolling the car over in an accident and it immediately being engulfed in a fire

>tfw rescuing someone from an electric car wreck is as close to disarming IEDs as anything else

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>>130852401
All this shit about climate change.
I'm tired of hearing a constant non nonsensical debate about "green energy" and "muh environment".

IF they really, really wanted to do something, they would just build Thorium power plants and use the energy to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere. But no, we all need to drive shitty tesla cars and take 5 minute showers to save the environment. Fuck it all.

>>130851239

>Canadian education

>>130851280
No, they care about the $7500 govt subsidy that helps pay for them.

>>130853098
I think /o/ has one or two

>>130852329
Don't need to, they can and are, recycled.

They don't just get tossed into a dump.

>>130852797
>>130853087
Also it will be a lithium-ion battery factory, the climate will literally collapse once he completes it tbqh lad

>>130852968
>Even telsa says the batties will need to be replaced after 8 years
>Watching the cognitive dissonance in action

I told you the heads would explode.

>>130851171
Lmao I'll believe it when I see it faggot

>>130851239
I wish I was this retarded. The world would be so much simpler.

>>130853227
Define "recycled" and let's see how much CO2 and toxic material get pumped into the ecosystem. They don't just wave a magic wand and say it's good as new.

faggot

>>130853166
Don't forget the pointless heavily subsidized windmills built from MY money that are still not economically viable by the time their lifespan expires.

>>130852797
>Solar power is a magical force where you open your mouth and insert dick for power

Do you know what materials are required in solar panels? How they are mined & processed?

do actually recycle your old lithium batteries and all ewaste. you'll pay less for them later on and if you're really lucky you'll put an African miner out of a job.

>>130851239
the batteries only last like 10 years so you would need to make new ones. the performance starts to decrease after 5 years.

Driving a Tesla is code for "im a fucking moron working at some faggot tech company doing grunt code work because im too stupid to invent anything of use to society and i buy things to make myself feel special"

>>130853281
They said the same thing about the marine battery packs as well. They also grossly overestimate MPGs for gas cars. And still... refurb and recycle.

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>>130850638

"Hurr environmentalism is a sham!" "Also don't buy electric cars because they hurt the environment!"

?????

Who gives a shit about the environment? If AGW is true we're fucked, nothing will be done in time, we've already missed what everyone agreed are crucial target numbers.

The car market has been fat and complacent for years and years and finally they have to compete with new technology and upstarts.

It's so much easier to try and heap shit and FUD on them than to improve your products. Yellow journalism is eager to help for clicks.

>>130853520
Recycling anything is so much worse for the environment than niggers imagine. I did a whole class presentation back in the day on what is bad about recycling.

>>130853520
yes, they are reprocessed.. but much of the emission problem is digging out raw ore. recycled lithium already has a pure but damaged product. melt it back down, process it and it's as good as new.

>>130851239
Shit for brains alert

>>130850638
Nice (((source))). BTW get out of your mothers basement and to talk to someone for fuck's sake. Anybody that fantasizes about talking to people and making their head explode seriously needs to reconsider their lifestyle.

>>130853662
it depends on what you're recycling. reclying plastics require volatile chemicals to break the plastic down again to reuse and are horrible for the environment. metals on the other hand just need to be melted back down.

>>130851208
Coal, gasoline, and diesel make 99% of all electricity

>>130850638
You're right, but it's irrelevant.... The point isn't that they're free to produce... the point is that they (and their production) can be powered by an environmentally friendly power plant.

Being dependant on fossil fuels for transportation is bad.

>>130853591

>EPA estimates are based on laboratory tests conducted by manufacturers according to federal regulations. EPA re-tests about 10% of vehicle models to confirm manufacturer's results.

It's not Bob down-the-street just taking a guess at MPG.

>>130851789
3 years

>>130852405
Oh i guess we'll all move to Quebec then

I've been saying it for years, we need to quit worrying about solar batteries and instead use our subsidies to force farmers to grow cotton so we can start developing cotton batteries like Japan is doing.

>>130853637
Except there's no competition, the electric cars don't even make a dent in the big scene

>>130852405
Faggot who knows nothing

>>130851685
Even if you change it you retard you are going to withdraw the car so the battery stays.

>>130853900
be honest with yourself. gas is an unsustainable solution. the price of gas will get bad.. real bad. like to the point that owning a car is a sign that you've "made it". we only have to dig the lithium out of the ground once to and then we can reprocess it all we need.

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>>130851171
>Implying amerifats won't trade in their car every 3 years.

>>130853520
>Define "recycled"
You sound like a fucking jew

Recycling means they get refurbished and used in new batteries, dumbfuck.

Most of the bullshit about CO2 is put out by oil/gas companies trying to downplay their competition, and full retards like you just lap it right up.

Why aren't faggot hippy liberals like you ever whining about the CO2 costs of producing the trucks that haul coal? Why is it only ever the electric car and solar panel supply chain that is attacked in this absolutely ridiculous way? You fuckheads even whine about 'muh nuclear radiation' meanwhile coal/gas are killing 7 million fucking people a year from air pollution.

You're nothing but a useful idiot for coal/oil/gas lobbies trying to downplay the impact of nuclear, solar, wind and other renewables, and electric vehicles.

>>130850638

Honestly, the VW diesel turbos are some of the most green cars out there. Rediculous MPG, no toxic batteries to deal with, and they're pretty nice inside too.

>>130853870
No they don't

>>130854156
I think you're agreeing with me.

>>130851239
That's why you people should be exterminated.

>>130854182

Good try but you still didn't answer what the recycling process includes.

Elon Musk is like Steve Jobs: nothing but a hack selling sub-par products at a premium price to gullible liberals.

>>130851171
WRONG

Not to mention the C02 that is created to generate electricity for the cars to consume. Where do these retards think it comes from? Windmills??? No, fucking coal

>>130854182
Oh I gotcha leafnigger, the word recycle became tainted so you used the word refurbished to pretend it has less of an impact. I wish I could be so deluded to thinking just changing a word makes everything ok. kys you faggot

>>130851343
>wrong dummy, some of the first cars were electric
sauce?

>>130851139
Fuck off from this board, Ahmed. No sand niggers allowed.

>>130851354
People tend to forget that most of the eastern seaboard of the US produces electricity by coal, not solar or natural gas. It's literally worse to drive a Tesla for most of the US, even ignoring the battery production.

>>130854253
Lmao wow

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>>130853560

>giving more money to chinks

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>>130851239

We should exterminate the brainlet population

>>130851239
Batteries have a finite life fuck wit.
They will be toast after 10 years and require replacement

>>130854397
He means those first model experiments that never left the factories

>>130850638
This is old news. We've known this since 2008.

>>130850638

Don't care, but don't you usually own a care for more than 8 years if you buy it? (I.E not lease)
Also allot of the stuff that goes into it is reusable without breaking it down again.
Not a millennial though so maybe I'm unaffected.

I also don't think they are being entirely fair in this competition.

are they including the emissions of obtaining and refining oil both for gas and lubrication on top of the emissions when it's finally combusted?? or are they only comparing it when it's actually combusted?

>>130850638
Sorry not even a liberal but your logic is disturbing and wrong. battery production and mining takes as much CO2 as 8 years of emissions, the problem is there are also emissions from the oil drilling/production/transportation as well throughout the life of those vehicles. Also while batteries have to be replaced after a number of years the materials are recyclable. Anyway the main point is that electric cars are the future as they are simply more efficient in terms of performance anyway, they will be faster, safer, and more durable.

>>130854515
>He means those first model experiments that never left the factories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle

ctrl+f

1882

guess how I can spot Americans even without those ugly piss stained flags? the sheer ignorance of someone who can be proven wrong in less than 0.30s by google making a baseless assertion

>>130851171

>implying people keep their cars that long

I rarely see 10 year old cars on the road, the good goyim need to keep up appearances with the latest vehicles

>>130854362
even if all the electricity is generated from coal I've got to believe that power generation is more efficient that you're little engine.

>>130851239
I seriously have no clue what this woman is trying to say. Where the fuck are you getting any of these numbers?

Also, 8 years of driving with 100units of C02, the next year it would be double that at 200 units? The fuck are you talking about?

>>130854671
Also renewable energy.
Oil Will run out far before the sun does.

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>>130854800

says the nigga claiming the batteries last 100 years

>>130854581
I think they mean 8 years of continuous driving. You're not keeping a car for 15 years even new, and that wouldn't account for 8 years of continuous driving if you're not a taxi driver.

>>130850638
No shit, it's been said for years, but muh hybrid. Watch their heads explode when they realize how photo voltaic cells are produced.

>>130854396
I don't give a shit.

Where are your complaints about refurbishing used cars? Why aren't you bitching about regular lead-acid batteries and their recycling? Why aren't you whining up a liberal hippyfit over the CO2 costs of digging coal out of the ground, and the CO2 costs of producing the bodies of regula diesel/gas cars?

Because you're a fucking idiot with an anti-EV agenda. You've already got your conclusion and look for things to justify it.

>>130854160
isn't that far more common in europe where you have to go through emissions testing for used cars and shit

>>130854504
I drop mine off at bestbuy along with most of my ewaste. rare earth metals should be recycled.

>>130854671

Again with the "recycling" meme. Nobody is going to pay to ship a battery weighing thousands of pounds across the country, to a recycler capable of processing it, have the recycler free the battery to -350F to extract the metals and remanufacture a new battery without tons of CO2 emissions.

>>130855007
California does it to. don't know about other states.

>>130850638
Jesus, just realized you have no legitimate source because this is made up BS with no truth to it at all. fuck off

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>>130851139
>These have been around for less than 10 years and we're getting closer to a number of new ways to create far more efficient batteries.
Batteries have been around for closer to 200 years in modern form.

We don't have any likely candidate magic batteries around.

The real solution isn't electric cars it's nuclear fission powered refineries/power plants making liquid fuels that can be used in today's internal combustion engines from carbon extracted from water.

We run 100% of the electric grid off nuclear fission breeder reactors, during the low demand night they switch production to cracking hydrogen for use in production of clean (no sulfur, no net CO2) diesel, gas, jet fuel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8zOHZINyG8

>>130850638
Yeah, but if the technology can improve the emission can be decreased. Then it's greatto have these.

>>130854800
Yeah, by seeing how irrelevant it is when compared to the combustion engine since the 1800s, it's almost a shame there were actual driven models out there, a real waste

>>130855162
>California does it to.
imagine my surprise

>>130854462
No, it literally isn't.

Because:

1. The coal plants are centralized and more efficient and cleaner than the individual combustion engines in every car on the road

2. You continue to ignore that all those ICE vehicles ALSO need to be made. They ALSO need to be supplied with a complex logistics chain that involves thousands of tanker trucks moving gas all around the country. They ALSO require extensive drilling and mining.

What a load of shit from a bunch of fucktards who think they know more than they actually do. Get a fucking brain, morans

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>>130854845
It might be, depending on the efficiency of the coal plants. But keep in mind, with these teslas, the battery won't last 8 years. Look at how bad all the lithium ion batteries in electronics are, they don't last long at all. Then you have to go out in 5 years get a new battery thats the equivalent of 8 years of driving on fossil fuels, doing 16 years of C02 in just 5 years. I don't believe in global warming, so I don't really give a shit, but the electric car meme must stop

Unrelated. Its funny that this person has a car that is viewed hundreds of thousands of times a day and they dont even know it (pic related)

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my new artistic work

You also can't recycle those batteries and the process of mining lithium ion is fucking heinous.

>>130854845
It is more efficient, however the actual mileage you can get with a loaded battery is hilariously small

>>130851171
>somebody staying with the same car for over 10 years
Pls

>>130854845
>>130854362
natural gas is more likely than coal

>>130855153
I imagine there will be a lot battery recycling centers across the country. nobody is sending a thousand pound battery halfway or more across the country.. but doing it locally would be good.

>>130855153
"no one" https://www.tesla.com/blog/teslas-closed-loop-battery-recycling-program
-okay, anyway you still have the fact that drilling for oil is more harmful than lithium mining

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>>130850638
Of course. This so-called (((clean energy))) is just another scam.

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>>130850638

Tesla cunts BTFO

>>130850638
I own a Chevy Volt. My company and tax payers pay for my fuel. I dont give a shit about the environment.

>>130850638
>(((green))) anything
Its not only tesla. Solar panels are the same.

>>130855153
Tesla literally already does this. They also try and use some of the defective batteries in other applications, like their home-battery packs where fast charge-discharge isn't necessary.

You're going from useful retard into subversive shill territory desu

>>130850638
Yes and no
It does take a lot of stripe mining, fuel for transportation and coal to power the manufacturing plant
But those metals can be recycled (that's why the catalytic converter on your car is so valuable) so that whole process is really just done once.

How much CO2 is emitted producing non-Tesla car batteries? Surely that should be included as well? After that, how much Co2 do they produce every year whilst running? Chances are, conventional shit is worse off.

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>>130851171
>batteries last like 100 years

>>130855483
that's a copper mine

>>130851685
>>130854160
>>130855429
>cars stop existing when people sell them

>>130855650
bigly

Why would you compare making a car with driving a car? Why not compare making a car with making a car?

Do people really fall for such simple tricks such as these headlines?

>>130851239
>>130851171
The warranty on the batteries is 8 years, meaning they don't expect them to last that long. Maybe ten years, maybe even less.

>>130855362
maybe but the most people don't drive much more than the time it takes to get to work and back in a stop-and-go situation. city driving is where electrics would really shine.

>>130851354
You might be in for a rude shock.

>>130851636
Common sense. Show me ANY lithium bank that has lasted 8 years in service. The technology has only come this far in the past 10 years. A lot of lithium service life is still speculative at high capacity.

>>130852968
Your lead acid battery has lasted 13 years? Jesus fuck man change that shit before it shorts/explodes and sets your car on fire.

>>130852401
I like you

>>130853559
I like blowing self righteous hippies out with the truth about solar manufacture

I've been up for 30 hours. I can't be assed getting into arguments or technicalities. OP is somewhat correct. This thread would be right up my alley if I wasn't tripping from sleep dep.

t. Battery and solar specialist, 10 years experience.

>>130855456
How much CO2 do you suppose it takes to freeze a Lithium battery to several hundred degrees below 0

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>>130855439
>battery recycling meme

:^)

>>130850638
now subtract that from the C02 production required for manufacturing mainstream car cunt, + how much would an mainstream car produce for its average life compared with the Tesla. And then go and fuck yourself because goyim stupid straightforward thinking is not desired here. Try better bait next time goy

>>130855327
>Look at how bad all the lithium ion batteries in electronics are, they don't last long at all.

How long they last depends entirely on how their charging cycles are managed by the hardware/software. Going from 0 - 100% charge counts as 1 cycle. Going from 0 - 75% counts as 0.14 cycles.

You can MASSIVELY extend lithium-ion battery life by simply not charging to 100%. Easily doubling, tripling, or quadrupling what you'd see otherwise.

>>130850638
What's the lifespan of the battery?

>>130855733
fine. you buy a new battery after 8-10 years? so what? if you weren't retarded with your money and saved the money you would have spent in gas you'll be fine.

they remove the old batteries and recycle them. the core charge is removed. and you pay a minimal amount for the new battery.

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>>130855483
This picture is disinformation, you know that, right?

1. The top one is a copper mine, not a lithium mine.

2. The bottom one is oil-sand extraction, an extremely rare process on it's own... and that's a small one. This is also an oil-sand extraction plant. That's Steam extracted as well.

Furthermore, lithium is extracted from brine.

You're LITERALLY falling for (((their))) tricks to make you keep buying gas.

>>130856120
>and saved the money you would have spent in gas you'll be fine.
do you think the electricity you charge is for free?

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>>130853870
You're an American Idiot.
USA gets almost 70% of it electricity from Canadian water turbine and Nuke plants.

One electrical junction went down in Ontario Canada and the entire east side of the USA was without power, Every province provides you idiots clean electricity.

>>130850638
I'm surprised more people on here are pro electric cars. I'm all for them just so that we can stop relying so much on foreign oil. Imagine if everyone started driving electric and we didn't have to import so much gas.

>>130855941
HURBABABABABABAAA <KABOOM>

>>130852053
The cheap model they are making will be around 30k. That's not that expensive, it's average.

>>130853166
oh but maybe you will show us how to figure it fuckin idiot, because its soooo easy regardless the effort of the most rich and influential people on the planet - here you are, the wisest of all goyims, please teach us some science from the bottom of the coolest of all basements. dumb fuck

>>130855592
Implying anybody will still use inefficient shit like lithium batteries in 10-15 years.
Recycling is a meme. Most thing that get recycled are subsided by the government, so YOU pay for it again, because its unprofitable.
(((Somebody))) will make fortune or recycling this shit and you will pay for it.

>>130855872
It depends, if it's at one of tesla's factories, powered by solar, then 0. Also this doesn't address the fact that oil is not recyclable at all and it being drilled is more harmful than lithium mining.

>>130855362
95% of the US population doesn't drive more than 50 miles per day. Most people don't even drive more than 30 miles per day.

Yours is a fucking fantasy dreamed up by total retards that think you need some crazy 1000km charge for electrics to be viable.

Tesla's cars have a 200 mile range on the low end - even if you lower that by HALF, you're still double what 99% of the US population drives. Nevermind the rest of the world that doesn't have nearly so much distance to cover.

The amount of ignorance in this thread is fucking ASTOUNDING.

>>130856351
USA has a plan. Drain the world dry, then when the word is dry, they will uncap their wells and charge insane prices for their oil. When all that oil is gone, money will be spent in creating miners to extract the hydrocarbons from Jupiter and turn it into fuel.

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>>130850638
I wonder how much CO2 creating gasoline gars create?
I'll bet you 1 internet it close to equal

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What are solar panels for?
Musk got this shit

>>130855960
I know that to be true. But what can you do? You come home at the end of the day, plug your car in, and you have to keep walking out to your car to check to make sure you have just enough power to make it to work and back the next day, constantly watching your cycles? I'd rather save the money on buying an $80-100k car, buy a turbo diesel and be done with it.

>>130855728
>Do people really fall for such simple tricks such as these headlines?
Take a look at this thread and be amazed

>>130850638
So what it takes 6 months of ore digging to make one cat converter. I'm sure that adds up to more. Faggot.

>>130855871
I used a refurbishing service a couple years ago (still 20-25% longer than most people are quoted saying they last, and in a very hot climate, most days sitting in the sun). They reconditioned all and replaced some of the materials.

>>130856601
>Massive roof covered in flat panels
>Already loses a big chunk of efficiency
>Only powers his shit

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>>130855911

>>130856582
I want to think that is true, since we are just leaving the oil in our land alone, but I just don't think so highly of our politicians. I can't believe they are thinking that far ahead.

>>130855728

Nah, we just like arguing.

Millennials don't buy cars.

Nobody is going to want an 8 year old electric car. The running costs will be higher than airforce one.

>>130856475
The starting price is 35k, however Musk himself last year said that it would be around 40k, and that's just the bare minimum, with the full autopilot kit, interior and other aesthetic upgrades and it's well damn near 60k - fully loaded

most that hold reservations are willing to shed around 45-55k, too high

And if by any chance their gibs get cut, either the whole thing would collapse or the prices would skyrocket even more

>>130851208

Most people, especially the trust-fund hipsters that buy Tesla's won't keep a car for five years might as less. In fact, I suspect most of them are leased because that's what new money faggots do.

>>130856601
Killing birds at record numbers

>>130850638

Except it pollutes at a factory somewhere far away instead of directly in my nice clean neighborhood. Local pollution is all that I care about.

But what I truly like about EV's is the lack of noise pollution.

>>130856330
the electricity to charge the car will be far less than the cost of gas.

>>130856966
60k for 3.9 second car that needs no gas or oil or coolant ECT act is cheap as fuck.

>>130857037
>this is the mindset of people that cry at trump over the paris accords

>>130856336
gonna need a source leaf.

Anyone in the market for an 8 year old used Tesla. Good Shape, minor battery issues. $34,000 obo.

>>130856830
It's what I assumed and I'm a Britbong. I can't remember but most of your oil is in Texas, I think, and like 95% of your wells are capped there. Only Alaska is doing anything. It makes so much sense though. If you control vast amounts of the worlds oil, you then get it for a good price. When it's run out, people will turn to you for oil, since you're in control, you charge the price. China needs constant oil supplies to continue what it's doing and is lucky Russia is willing to help out.

Fracking and discovering of huge oil deposits off the Falklands has extended how long it'll be before USA will be needing to uncap their wells.

As for investing into technology to mine Jupiter? That's my own cool idea, but I don't see it happening. Pretty sure that governments are only smart when it comes to making money... for themselves and their buddies.

>>130855871
>high capacity
>doesn't know that these huge banks are just ~100S~20P packs of well-characterized cylinder batteries

>>130855487
>highly efficient power plants are bad
>but the internal combustion engine with less than 30% efficacy is great though
Nice autism, bud.

>>130856351
Nixon fucked the US over by implementing the petrodollar

The entire country would've gone full-nuclear and full-electric 40 years ago otherwise, and would be 100% energy independent today. All the oil reserves would be sold off to other countries unable to build their own nukes and electric vehicles, making the US itself rich. There wouldn't be any need for policing the fuck out of the middle east and cutting deals with the saudi's and iranians, and jews.

>>130857164
Until Congress finds a good way to tax it

>>130856732
This. we're already doing this shit for cars.

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>>130856582
The goyim shall walk the golden path

>>130856732
You can buy a cat converter for around $800. I very much doubt that price reflects 6 months of labor in digging up the platinum.

>>130851139
They probably did. Fuck off with your Musk is an innovator bullshit, also.

>>130856699
I'm not that surprised to be honest.

>>130857296
Battery comes with 10 year warranty. Kys right this second.

>>130857366
fair.. but we're talking about emissions not the billion ways how government can fuck it up.

>>130850638
>broke ass millenials
>affording a tesla
like telling a hobo that his caviar contains ricin

>>130850638

They'd laugh and call you out for being the fake news faggot believer you are.

Jesus Christ....

>>130856744
Ah yeah you guys do have some nice hand built lead acids over there. I just want you to know though, the lead on the plates deteriorate into flakes which shed off the grid. If you have a dry cell (now full of hydrogen) and those flakes manage to short?

Kaboom. And it ain't pretty.

The only refurb that actually works on Lead Acid is replacing the plates, because nothing is gonna stick those deteriorated shards back to the grid, and at that point you might aswell buy a new battery.

>>130857330
No fucking shit sherlock. Now show me a bank that has been operational for 10 years.

>>130850638
This is why electric cars a nothing more than a meme. Resist the electric jew for as long as you can, stick with petrol and diesel.

>>130857518
All the tech to make cleaner emissions actually makes more toxic shit than not having it.

>>130855429

I've owned my tacoma since 2002...

210k miles. Fuck buying new shit every few years.

>>130857431
It does fuck stick, Research it.

dems BTFO LOL

>>130857166
>>130857164

>>130857366
This, at the moment the field, especially with Tesla, is relatively very small and living off subsidies, which all in all are your own taxes, so I don't understand the "no gas" thing as well, even if the charge stations are free to use, you still pay for it via higher taxes or other bullshit government pushes to scam with climate bias

>>130851239
>8 years of 100 gas cars:
>100 CO2s
>8 years of 100 tesla cars:
>100 CO2s
So, tesla cars are never charged from the grid? What kind of magic batteries are those? You know electricity production also causes C02 emissions right?

>>130857626
>t.hiring back-end developer, must have 15 years of Node.js experience
kek

>>130857732
how efficient is your engine at this point and how many times have you had to replace parts like the battery or catalytic converter?

>>130850638
solar panels are the same way. hipster dipshits don't know or care about how they are made.

Such bs if this was the case fucking cell phones are the main cause of global warming

>>130857843
the battery might be able to do some self charging while simply rolling down a hill.

Teslas are pretty cool though. My beta brother in law bought one so my sister can fuck around on him without leaving a carbon footprint and the shit is fun to drive. I'd never buy one but they have some cool ass features but so do a lot of regular cars.

>>130857844
Nice rebuttal you stupid cunt. Like I said I'm too tired for arguments with faggots. Now where is my fucking bank?

>>130857935
Hipster dipshits like you don't know or care how quickly they pay back their energy costs, and don't care just how much anything else pollutes

You single out solar panels acting like it's worse than filling up with gas or running a coal plant, because you had to make the solar panels, but then you never bring up the environmental impact of building the fucking coal plant or digging up the coal.

How can idiots like you exist?

>>130858062
Braking charges the battery

>>130856287
>2. The bottom one is oil-sand extraction, an extremely rare process on it's own... and that's a small one. This is also an oil-sand extraction plant. That's Steam extracted as well.

SAGD is now the largest oil sand producer.

The foot print is tiny when stacked against the massive waste water pounds of lithium evaporation.

>>130857935
Proofs, you coal lobbyist nigger.

>>130857812
>thinks the big three US automakers aren't being subsidized
>thinks fossil fuel companies aren't being subsidized by the fucking military budget
Are you twelve?

what about oil engine production? Does it also release CO2?

Seems like he is comparing production+fueling(batteries) vs fueling only(oil engines)

>people buy teslas to save the environment

Nice strawman. Maybe a few. Those who are buying them buy them because they are the safest thing to drive on the road right now.

>>130858204
That's actually pretty cool

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>>130850638
>relying on the petrol and electric jew
>not using human powered transportation
keep playing their game /pol/

>>130858196
oh and how exactly do they pay back the cadmium, tungsten, and beryllium that have to be mined from the earth and then melted at extremely hot temperatures, which then produce a toxic gas that must be contained? please do tell you limp-wristed little faggot

>>130857267

What are you talking about? It is exactly the opposite of the mindset of the people crying about Trump pulling out of the Paris agreement.

I am all for him pulling out. The $100 billion saved can be used much more efficiently right here at home to clean up America instead of getting laundered through some old boy like club in Paris.

And for all the hate that Tesla gets on here, do not forget that it is probably the most American automaker right now.

>>130850638
Everyone in this thread is a complete fucking idiot.
Tesla looses 12K+ on every car it builds, will bleed billions through 2018, is probably the most fucked company on Earth right now. When the tax man stops funding this idiocy the bottom will fall out faster than your Depends.
It takes a couple hours to fully charge a Tesla, you cannot drive one to Vegas from L.A. A car that can go from A to B is one thing, a car that can /only/ go from A to B is another...
Gasoline is only 30% efficient? Sort of, yes.
High voltage transmission lines are only 30% efficient. Yep that too. Bet you didn't know how inefficient the electric grid is.
I could go on, but Tesla would be bankrupt by the time I finished.

>>130858144
desu I hate the fucking dashboards in them and would rather buy a less flashy and more analog electric.

The dashboard LCD touchscreen is just gaudy shit I'd expect to see from a saudi developer who has more money than sense.

Think there's gonna be a lot of people disappointed in the dashboards of the next tesla model once they start getting them.

Prius batteries only lasted ~5 or 6 years when they first came out....how the hell are tesla's gong to last 100 years, fuckn a we're all going to die.

>>130850638
Poor Elon thought he had a chance at taking down Big Oil. I'm surprised they didn't find some stupid sex scandal. There's also a republican in office.

TOP ZOZZLE

>>130858402
How the fuck do they pay back any of that when producing regular cars or power plants, moron?
You act like there's 0 environmental impact from the coal/oil/gas side of things when in every case it's ten times worse

How goddamn stupid can you actually get?

>>130858300
The first however are profitable whilst Tesla and other meme projects to appease the hipster left will never be, and live off only because of government subsidies

You just name things that are subsidized, everything is, what's your point? From agriculture to manufacturing.

>>130858428
Them you are the expection

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>>130858192
Jerk

>>130854362
How long do the batteries last then? If they last over 8 years its worth it over gas powered vehicles.

>>130858428
>do not forget that it is probably the most American automaker right now.

I believe it. I read somewhere that America manufacturers use less American parts than the Japs who build cars here, in fact jap companies go out of their way to source as much as they can from America. Wouldn't surprise me if Tesla is using more American parts than most companies.

>tfw japs and europoors are more patriotic than American Auto Manufacturers

>>130858599
>You act like there's 0 environmental impact from the coal/oil/gas side of things when in every case it's ten times worse
no I don't. i call out charlatans making billions of dollars off of garbage that wouldn't even create a 10% difference in climate change if the whole world went along with it. the hubris of humans to think they have control over the earth's climates LMAO.

>>130850638
Yes but it does it in a place I don't live and therefore won't affect me unless you. believe in human caused global warming.

>>130858599
>You act like there's 0 environmental impact from the coal/oil/gas side of things
Except no one has said that

>it's ten times worse
Wrong, typical exaggeration

>How goddamn stupid can you actually get?
lmao, gg

>>130858614
You could say the oil and gas lobbies live entirely off subsidies too

Just because Tesla gets subsidies does not mean they cannot be profitable.

So far everything they've made has been immediately reinvested into the company's factories to expand manufacturing capacity.

But well, idiots like you don't care and just want to parrot the "solar power pollutes more than coal and gas" idiocy.

I honestly don't know how idiots like you can even manage to breathe. Your stupidity astounds me.

>>130858464
I liked the Dash at first because I thought it was pretty cool but after driving around for a while with the shit seems way too evasive in size and kind of pointless for what it's mostly used for.

>>130851171
implying these aren't the same faggots that buy new cars before even 10 years have past

>>130850638

Haven't we known this for like a decade or more at this point?

Really i just want an electric car thats superior to a gas one. Its just cool.

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>>130856759
>Already loses a big chunk of efficiency
what? they are the best in the world
>>130857011
You're getting these mixed up with the focused mirror solar heat harvesters

>>130858719
I'd say 8-10 years. Not including any greenhouse gases created as a biproduct of charging those batteries.

>>130850638
>whatsupwiththat.com
Stopped reading there

Who cares when it does 2.xx 0-60mph and 10 second quarters.

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>>130858888
Are you talking about the dashboard in the S or in the 3?

Because they got rid of everything in the 3 and there's just an LCD screen. You have to glance to your right to see what speed you're going.

I'm hoping it's just some dumb mockup concept that they don't actually go with, because I'm convinced this dashboard design is going to kill half their sales by itself.

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>>130858614
>Tesla is ebil because subsidies
>everything is subsidized
>what's your point?

>>130851869
Oh my god how could you dam up a river you will ruin the ecology of the river and harm the endangered species who depend on that rivers ecosystem. we must remove all damn.

>>130855429
Only niggers replace cars faster than decade basis

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The future of battery-technology.
Tesla is a pure moneygrab operation.

>>130854182
your the dumb fuck that doesn't know anything about batteries.

When you purchase a new car you get a new virgin battery compared to a recycled battery that is typically bought at a walmart store.

There is a huge difference in performance and life span between a virgin battery and a recycled battery.

>>130852405
you gotta think globally everything you do will affect the planet and global warming.

>>130854362
>what is nuclear and hydroelectric power?

>>130859189
whats up with that powerwheels sized steering wheel...

>>130858880
>You could say the oil and gas lobbies live entirely off subsidies too
Except they don't

>>130858880
>Just because Tesla gets subsidies does not mean they cannot be profitable.
They live off subsidies 100% and will NEVER be profitable or sustainable, you just don't get it into your hippie mindset do you

>>130858880
>So far everything they've made has been immediately reinvested into the company's factories to expand manufacturing capacity.
In that meme gigafactory? good luck with that one, going to mine that lithium and produce polluting and unsustainable batteries at even higher pace, but greens just overlook it I guess

>But well, idiots like you don't care and just want to parrot the "solar power pollutes more than coal and gas" idiocy.
>I honestly don't know how idiots like you can even manage to breathe. Your stupidity astounds me.

gg, sure told me

>>130859142
Meh its not there yet.

>>130856970
I think you mean to say old money. Born into wealth. These are the people with a 72 month payment plan on a mercedes and a McMansion that will depreciate in value faster than stocks dropping in 1929.

>>130857732
>tacoma
douche bag truck driver detected, stay out of the fucking left lane if your not passing jack ass.

>>130859024
desu all the tesla's are basically that

Safer, faster acceleration, better torque, 200-250 mile range, more interior room, cheaper servicing, etc. etc.

Trouble is, they're too expensive compared to what the average person can actually afford. If Tesla ever gets them priced down into the $10,000 - $20,000 range, regular gasoline cars are done.

>>130859211
>the autist that cannot refute anything so he just resorts to le epic memes eks-dee

Sure, can't deal with >>130858192
as well, can you, stupid faggot?

I love my Tesla.

Poorfags will never know how it feels to drive one :^)

>>130852560
So it's OK to polute somewhere else on the planet but not in your backyard right.

>>130859433
too bad all the liberal greenpeace fucks are against hydrodams and nuclear. They've been dismantling them for the last few decades.

>>130859290
Or people leasing a vehicle

>>130858760
>Based nips providing us with jobs to buy cool nip cars and anime with

We don't deserve such an awesome friend

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>>130855429
You mean, smart people?

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>>130859189
The S. I've never been in a 3. pic related is what I mean.

>>130859290
literally anyone that isn't mechanically savy or a penny pincher. Why do you think the auto industry is where it is? Because manufacturers know consumers don't plan to keep these shit boxes past 3-5 years hence planned obsolescence. After 3 years most of these turds start to fall apart.

>>130858192
Okay, I'll just take my super flying time machine and check the situation out in 2027.
Build your own you lazy cunt.

>>130859599
Asking for time travel is not an argument.
Also your bait is lame. I thought you liked public-private partnerships?

>>130859661
Nah.Big oil paid propaganda against nuclear and big nuclear paid propaganda against oil backfiring in every direction.

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>>130858719

do tesla cars even last 8 years?
you probably have to buy new tesla before a new battery

>>130851490
>only a genetic freak mutation allows a very small group of men to BENEFIT from veganism, but every other human it is detrimental to.
I might if you tell me why

>>130850638
Fuck it, nuke the wales.

I just want instant fucking torque!

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>>130851139
>we're
>we

get rekt nigger

>>130859548
Yup its a super concept but i think the battery technology is just not there yet.

>>130851613
>Our fossil fuel power sources will be replaced eventually as well.
why?

you know we can make unlimited fuel in solar reactors right?

>>130850994
I'm going to give you a proper (you) for archiving. Everyone else please do your part and thank anon

>>130859956
Fewer moving parts. Logically speaking, why wouldn't they last longer, unless the autopilot steers them into a median or something?

>>130859661
They hate wind power too if it ruins their landscape and God help you if you want to put the wind turbines out in the fucking ocean that is a ecological preserve. just put all that power generation in some shitty country like China and then ship it over here

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>>130850638
what counts in the end is the very total efficency of the whole system.

what's more efficient?

1.: pumping million years old rotten biomaterial out of the earth, shipping it over the whole world, refining it, needing to transport it to every fucking single cuckshed village.

2.: producing the power centralized and distribute it via cables wherever u want.

in 20 years, nobody beside some oldtimerfags will give a shit about ur stinky, noisy, medieval dinosaur burning machines which are an insult for Nikola.

the universe is electric.

big bang fags BTFO!

>>130858204
You get some supplemental charging via the breaks, and other methods, to increase range. But you still have to plug it in at a charging station at home, or one of the few stations that are around.

>>130852797
fuck you, now im hungry

>>130860144
What counts in the end is the profit.You of all should know that.Fuck the efficiency if it means more profit.

>>130850638
>whatsupwiththat.com
> no sources or citations

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>>130851139

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>>130859712
would not sell my e30 not even at gun point,
most likely scenario i get shot and they cant start it(while i bled to death).

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>>130860334

>>130851239
Electric car batteries usually last 6-12 years, with the median being around 9.

Now add the fact that the electricity these batteries need in order to function, usually comes from coal or nuclear plants. Not renewable energy.

So even if the battery would last 12 years, it'd still be a massive net-negative for the electric car.

It's almost as if someone should invent, produce and mass market a device or system that converts CO2 into O2.

Something like artificial photosynthesis.

>>130850638
>Tell a millennial
>implying millennials can afford a tesla when most can't afford a house
top kek its Gen X and BB buying these cars.

>>130851171
1. They won't.
2. Even if they did, the greenies will buy the latest and greatest energy-saving model after 5 years of use.

>>130860144
>centralized
Ohmic and reactive losses are a problem with long-distance electrical distribution. If not rooftop PV combined with a decidedly unamerican willingness to use power when it is available rather than screeching when it isn't, the sweet spot is probably on the order of neighborhood scale generation.

>>130860989
>Even if they did, the greenies will buy the latest and greatest energy-saving model after 5 years of use.
>t.too proud for used cars

>>130850638
>CO2 is bad

What about CO and Chlorine gases from HCFC

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>>130857762
I don't have to research it. I know it's a bullshit number. There are about a billion cars on the planet. The majority of them have converters. You say it takes 6 months of digging to get the platinum for those converters. The same converters you can buy for $800. There are 3-7 grams of platinum in a converter. This ring is around 13 grams. Your math says it takes 2 years of man power digging in the ground to get the platinum for this ring.

How is going green going to be widely adopted if its not popular among the admired class first?

Also this:
http://archive.is/N2b5m

>>130860615
Honestly jealous. Really great car anon.
People don't understand that there is more to a car's quality than it's age. Same thing with music, really.

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>>130860878
>what are trees

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>>130860325
Sorry ;)

>>130859850
That's why I said service life is speculative. Dude all I do day in, day out is test these fuckers with vencon, rocky mountain and cadex. I even have fucking dreams I'm looking at those fucking discharge graphs. It just really pissed me off when you stated the obvious, no shit a bank is made of cells. When I say high capcity bank, I wasn't talking about a grain-silo sized 18650 sitting alone in a fucking field. I will tell you first hand - lithium isn't anywhere near as robust as it is made out to be, and the more cells, the more points of possible failure are added to the system.

>>130861466
You mean paper ingredients.

>>130860662
Okay, anti-capitalist commie.

>>130860878
>neighborhood scale generation
which is a nightmare for the elites

>>130860689
Nuclear may not be strictly 'renewable', but it doesn't produce meaningful pollution either.

In any case, an electric vehicle powered by a coal plant is still better than a gasoline vehicle powered by gasoline.

I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out. The electric distribution system is enormously more efficient than the gasoline one is.

>>130861436
thanks.

>>130850638
Wait, CO2?
I thought Carbon Mon-oxide was the dangerous one. What's wrong with CO2?

>>130861503
I kneel at your feet, sire.
Service life is also subjective. The pensioner who just needs to get to the store every week would be satisfied with 50% of virgin capacity.
>grain-silo-sized 18650 sitting in a field
Do you ever have fantasies of crowbarring that fucker from a safe distance?

>>130861620
>which is a nightmare for the elites
I know. Isn't it wonderful watching them cry?

>>130861650
>nuclear doesn't produce meaningful pollution either.
Kek, until it breaks, then you can fuck up whole food chains with that shit.

>>130861876
Heat entrapment

>>130860689
The future is electric. How can you say this? Once we start asteroid mining transplanting batteries will be commonplace.

>>130862281
Lmfao. Indeed I do sir. And it would be spectacular.

>>130859332
what am i looking at

Insight on battery issue:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/glass-battery-technology/

> The new battery uses a sodium- or lithium-coated glass electrolyte that has triple the storage capacity of a lithium ion battery. It also charges in minutes instead of hours and operates in both frigid and hot weather (from -20 to 60 degrees centigrade). Early tests suggest the battery is capable of at least 1,200 charge-discharge cycles, significantly more charging cycles than a comparable lithium-ion battery, and best of all, the glass-based electrolyte will not form the dendrites that plague lithium-ion battery technology. The dendrites accumulate as part of the standard charging and recharging cycle and eventually cause a short circuit that often results in a smoldering or burning battery.

>>130854813
you must live in a rich area. 10+ year old cars are super common. hell, i just bought a 12 year old car to DD.

>>130862685
Time crystals

>>130861650
>In any case, an electric vehicle powered by a coal plant is still better than a gasoline vehicle powered by gasoline

Not when you add in the fact that a single component in the electric vehicle equals to driving a gasoline powered vehicle for 8 years.

I am all for getting rid of fossil fuels, and electricity is probably the way to go. But as it currently stands, only self-righteous retards actually believe that the currently available electric cars less damage to the environment than an ordinary gas car the same size.

I never knew /pol/ was this stupid

>>130857278
https://canadahydro.ca/facts/5-reasons-americans-should-care-about-canadian-hydropower/

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>>130862281
>Isn't it wonderful watching them cry?
idd. the digital revolution turns against them, Marx was right once more.

>>130862449
>asteroid mining
bitch plz do u even Tesla? we will be mining birkeland currents, u can shove ur tinny sucking rocks up ur ass.

>>130850638
again and again with the fucking electric cars

if there is any car makers here, kys