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DNA Replication Has Been Filmed For The First Time, And It's

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Look at that shit and tell me there is a god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sne1uO6RxLE

This is what Science has done to you.
What has religion achieved recently?

https://www.sciencealert.com/dna-replication-has-been-filmed-for-the-first-time-and-it-s-stranger-than-we-thought
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>>130808886
Wow, it was literally nothing
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>Looks at shit.

There is a god.
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>>130809677
How about Evolution caught on video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8
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Looks like the code lines from The Matrix
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>>130808886
Look at the handiwork of God and tell you that there is a God?

Why would that be necessary?
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>>130808886
Intelligent design proves god you autist
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>>130811721
No it doesn't.
The point of this discovery is that shit is random when everyone thought that it's organized.
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>>130809914
>In B4 no macro-evolution.
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>>130814325
This video literally proves macro-evolution.
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>>130808886
>>130809914

lol...

still thinking science and evolution disprove god in 2017.
god made evolution anon.

> If P then Q
> not P therefore not Q

is logical fallacy 101, or in pleb terms:

> If the bible is real, god made the world.
> the bible isn't real, so god didn't make the world.

right?

WRONG!
just because the premise is possibly true, doesn't imply the conclusion is true.

you are basically stuck on kiddy version of religion and don't have the intellectual potential to break out of it.

my guess is OP is an under achieving, insecure, fedora fag with sub 120 IQ
am i right OP?

want me to explain again for you anon?

t. deist
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>>130814175
You're retarded. A 5 year old can look at computer code and perceive it to be random letters and numbers because he doesn't understand what he sees. That doesn't make it random.
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>>130814175
> everyone thought that it's organized.
no (((scientist))) thought, even assumed the world would be ordered.

theists have always known there are fundamental limits to human knowledge

>>130814458
>>130814325
but evolution doesn't disprove god :/
awkward much?
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>>130814829
My point is Religion gave us jack shit since the crusades ended. All they do is see what Science is doing and saying that GOD DID IT!
That's retarded.
They should show us some progress or gtfo and die.
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>>130815032
>no (((scientist))) thought, even assumed the world would be ordered.
Open your Biology book and check out how they described DNA replication for the last 30 years.
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>>130808886
>When your hyperdrive needs an overhaul
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>>130815032
>awkward much?
It does.
If evolution is real than a complicated god at the beginning of the universe is impossible.
He can be something basic like energy or light and then evolve but that's it. All religions are wrong.
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>>130808886
there is a go shariab shill, Religion did a miracle for me just yesterday, what did science do for you ?
too much fluoride made you stupid
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>>130814829
Fucking hell if you're gonna just shitpost why even bother.
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>>130814829

Quality post. Nice to see that someone around here knows how to logic.

>>130815226
>They should show us some progress or gtfo and die.

Every day, the lives of little people across the world are lifted up by their faith. Every day, people progress along the path of virtue and true happiness.

>Science certainly does contribute to the lives of the plebs.
>But, is this contribution more valuable than that of the Faith?
>You tell me, jihadi.
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>>130815226
> My point is Religion gave us jack shit since the crusades ended.

how would you know?
are you some super human that can simulate a perfect 'other timeline' where religion didn't exist, diff the two and come up with a negative delta?

it's SUPER easy to find flaws with any religion especially when you've been pre-programmed to think that way, making an argument why this flaw makes religion all together them invalid is a much harder task.

the VAST majority of scientists, (actual scientists not the jewish kind) that atheism relies on, believed in god. go figure!
how can you think you personally know more about evolution of life than darwin or Einstein?

and again, everyone seems to be very stuck on the conflation of a religious god and a philosophical one.


tl;dr....
how can you be so arrogant and yet so dumb and can't into logic.
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Earth is flat

Earth is center of universe

Earth has a creator

You can't measure 8 inches per mile squared of curve

>bet you wont even try to measure your scientism religion's own teachings
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>>130815514
>be space scientist
>drop my intergalactic DNA ooze on a planet
>environment sorts out species that are unfit for the planet
>too bad dinosaurs
>too bad dodo's

God could use evolution as a tool in the same way a scientist might cultivate mold to create penicillin.
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>>130815226
>(((Progress)))

So I guess when we eventually revert to a 17th century understanding of race you'll call it progress.
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Even if religion isn't real, men evolve to need religion. Even cavemen had religion. So having faith is beneficial to your mental health.

The catholic faith is the loosest one and it preserves your freedom. You don't need to be a pragmatic catholic to be catholic.
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>>130815814
>the lives of little people across the world are lifted up by their faith.
How about curing cancer or giving them a real job?
Lifting spirits never solved the real problem.
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>>130808886
>pushing a false dichotomy of science vs god
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>>130814829
Logic is an oppressive white patriarchal social construct.
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>>130815226
>all scientists are atheists
Lmao.
Brush up on simulation theory, the latest in physics world theory revolution, literally believe that the universe as we know it is made by a higher being from another dimension.
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>>130815851
>how would you know?
I know what priests are taught in their schools. They want your money and give 0 fucks about your problems.
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>>130815868
You're right. Computers and planes just work by magic.
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>>130808886

Which strand is the jewish marker?
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What a load of bullshit.

>scientists discover they don't actually understand shit about shit
>Hurrr take THAT God!

>The question now is that if these two strands "function independently" as this footage suggests, how does the unravelling double helix know how to keep things on track and minimise mutations by hitting the brakes or speeding up at the right time?
>Hopefully that's something more real-time footage like this can help scientists figure out. And it's also an important reminder that while we humans love to assume that nature has a 'plan' or a system, in reality, it's often a whole lot messier.
It has become abundantly clear that "messiness" is the atheist hod of the gaps.

>see it's not that we don't understand, it's just very messy!
Science was a god damned mistake, all it's ever done is drastically increase the population of niggers in the world.
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>>130814829
You fucking rekt him anon, go easy.

Obese fedoralard permavirgin underachieving atheists B.T.F.O.
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>>130815514
> It does.
it doesn't anon. :/

> If evolution is real than a complicated god at the beginning of the universe is impossible.
only if god was inside the universe and lived by the rules of evolution himself.

here iis the key your missing.
god = super natural
super: as in above, outside.

science the study of nature
science can never proove or dis-proove something super natural.
super natural things by definition, don't conform to natural laws like evolution.


tl;dr....
God is just a programmer who created our 'simulation' our 'reality' if you will.

Think of it like a computer game, even if some crazy random logic on of th game characters could "wake up" and become fully conscious.
there is no where that character can go in game world to see you playing the game.
reality, or the simulation just isn't setup that way.

any "science" that character does, only tells him about the laws of "game world", and even those could be being fucked with by god at any moment.

the WHOLE of science relies on the existence of external truth.

unfortunately the quantum physics guys have just about figured it all out and slowly coming to realise, "Fuck! maybe there is a god after all!!!"
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>>130815936
>God could use evolution
X can use Y to anything

Occam's razor says your concept of god is not acceptable.
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>>130815936
SHALL NOT...
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>>130816157
>How about curing cancer or giving them a real job?

Curing cancer? I mean, that's great and all but it only staves off the inevitable.

>Men are beings unto death. -Heidegger

At least the Faith cures a person of the fear of death and instills HOPE.

As for a real job, the Church has ALWAYS done that.

>Consider Ireland, when the missionaries organized people into communities, where labor was divided and people had a better quality of life.
>How many losers does the Church support today by giving them basically show-up jobs while their incompetence pisses off everyone around them.

Seems pretty practical to me.
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>>130816152
>So having faith is beneficial to your mental health.
How about we all believe in science instead of ancient space ape?
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>>130808886
Every day science reveals the glory of God, anon.
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>>130816211
>literally believe that the universe as we know it is made by a higher being from another dimension
It means they are retarded and their theories should go into trash with them.
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>>130816374
This. Even physicists are starting to admit this shit is a simulation crafted by a higher being from a 4th dimension, idk why these niggers still think atheism is correct
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>>130816424
>Occam's razor says your concept of god is not acceptable.

Occam's razor states that the simplest solution is the most likely.

>Incredibly intricate laws of nature
>If off by a fraction, the universe unravels.
>Chaos theory, etc. etc.
>Isn't this all more complicated than positing God?

I don't like arguments that support the God of the gaps, but I don't think citing Occam's razor is going to help you, anon.
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>>130816519
>believe in science

What objectively good thing has science done?
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>>130808886
>literally standing on earth that is spinning in the infinite domain of space

Try and think of what is outside of this domain?

What is outside of space?

Truly tickles my pinky toe
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>>130816157
Get back to me when science cures cancer faggot.
>w-we're working on it...
Yeah and I'm praying the gay away in the hopes that OP will be less of a faggot. Until you actually produce something you're not actually accomplishing anything more than I am.
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>>130816635
>non argument based on appeal to bias
Keep on cucking, fedora
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>>130815868
i'm pretty sure "flat earth" was invented by the left to straw man anyone who mentions anything counter narrative
> Muh... bet you think the world is flat also right? LMFAO

i've NEVER met someone who is worth listening to who considers flat earth real.

almost everyone they say it to, not only doesn't think this, but pretty sure they would know the proof its a globe, and that its been proved for 1500 years at least.
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>>130815936
>God didn't use X to do Y, atheists need to grow up.
>X has been proven thoroughly.
>God created X, so your argument is invalid.

ad infinitum

arguing with christians is pointless.
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>>130816677
Physicists are dumb as shit and fudge proofs and math to back up their bullshit claims

REMEMBER

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO MATH BEHIND THE BULLSHIT THEY PUT OUT

ZERO MATH

THEY MAKE IT ALL UP
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>>130816374
>only if god was inside the universe and lived by the rules of evolution himself.
If he didn't then fuck him as we can say nothing about his existence. If we can't detect something or describe something then it doesn't exists. Sorry mate. See : Newton's flaming laser sword
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>>130816946
>science is real except when it contradicts my beliefs
>t. Not a physicist
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>>130808886
there's a time factor to consider here as well, these models assume a rate of time faster than what we perceive as hominids
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>>130816902
>ask a tough question
>hand waiving & we don't understand yet
>just need some more shekels to make us understand

Atheists are no better
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>>130816969
>You can only prove the existence of physically observable objects
Oh anon.
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>>130816516
>I mean, that's great and all but it only staves off the inevitable.
Then find a way to activate Telomerase in adults. Fucking hell! Do anything more than saying things to make plebs feel good and doing jack shit.
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>>130816760
>What objectively good thing has science done?
Turn off your computer and throw it out of the window.
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>>130815936
how do you feel about an ant anon?
then put that in context of god and you.

chances are god gives LIITERALLY 0 fucks about any individual 'ant'....

we are less than mold to him.

effectively from data and dimension encapsulation, it would imply god 'sees' us in 0 dimensions.
that only doesn't make sense to us because we have shitty pleb brains and quite literally:
can't think outside the 'box'

jump up and down as much as you want anon, god won't notice.
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>>130817081
Give me an example, I don't get where you're coming from.
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>>130814829
>Deist

Read this https://pastebin.com/XGfzNagT
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>>130817081
>ask a tough question
Give it to me.

Inb4 tell me what happened before Big Bang.
We don't know faggot and we will never know.
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>>130816969
>Newton's flaming laser sword
This cringe worthy shit is one of the many reasons why I stopped being a fedora. That and (((scientists))) are burning the midnight oil to devalue humanity into machine equivalent p-zombies
>No see you're not actually conscious at all, it's just an illusion goyim!
Go fuck yourself.
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>>130817083
Oh what?
If you can't create an experiment that proves something than it's bullshit as any bum can claim the same thing exists with no proofs.
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So what, the nagasaki fragments are bulshit then, i dont have to study them
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>>130816157
> Lifting spirits never solved the real problem.

LOL.... thinking (((science))) solves anything, ever.

>>130816164
which is why some other smart men made a static versions of philosophy called religion for plebs, nigs and arabs...

if you can't into religion, then into philosophy.
if you can't into either, then by definition your a pleb and you'll only ever be good for doing what your told.
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>>130816424
Occam's Razor says a lot of things like a dilapidated drunk. I don't know how an argument from ignorance became this magic code word to disprove things you don't agree with. It's the most subjective thing. I'm going to anti shill occams on every board forever.

Further, your precious faggot razor tells us that a creation has a creator.
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>>130816519
Like I said, cavemen believed in whatever gods they came up with. It's something that happened naturally. Men evolved to have faith. It's not a bad thing.
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>>130816760
oh the autism

you realise you are using it right now right?
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>>130817156
>4chan
>objectively good
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>>130817408
>>No see you're not actually conscious at all, it's just an illusion goyim!
I said nothing about conscioussness. You can detect it using fMRI and experiments as simple as a mirror test. Did you know that Magpies are conscious?

Until you can prove something than it's bullshit.
It's your fucking job to prove your claims.
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>>130817191
>we literally don't matter to god
God is the Holy Spirit, which encompasses all things in the universe, and as such, we are all part of God. Being part of God, our "subjective values" as a nihilist would put it, are actually objective values to the Holy Spirit, and the true value of something to God is the sum of all values given to it by components of the Holy Spirit. Humans have a lot of empathy for one another and value each other's lives innately, our value to God goes up exponentially.
Your comparison is flawed and illogical because we are not ants, nor are we God, and we cannot be compared to either one in terms of value objectification.
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>>130808886
There is no randomness in the universe. If drops of rain had conciousness would it fall in the same place but thinking that it choose the landing zone?
The double slit experiment show us that every random act is in fact very coordinated.
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>>130817552
>LOL.... thinking (((science))) solves anything, ever.
What are antibiotics?
What are computers?
What is everything you have in your fucking home?
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Research scientist here.

Our entire research has been put on hold due to this and everything is being reworked. This is some pretty big shit.
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>>130817726
>sum of all values given to it by components of the Holy Spirit
AT LEAST.
God is more than just the Holy Spirit, and so there is more value for him to place on anything in this universe. You can't even fathom how much value we have.
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>>130817571
>It's not a bad thing.
It is if your religion tells you to murder people.
All current religions are wrong and stop us from going into space. Fuck them.
They are designed to keep slaves down and steal their money in exchange for nice stories.
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>>130816677

Lol. Sources please.
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>>130817432
>implying logical proofs aren't a thing
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>>130816374
>any "science" that character does, only tells him about the laws of "game world"

........until the subjects advance to the point that they begin peeling away the layers of reality and exposing the raw code superstructure that girds the entire edifice. Kinda like what we're starting to do now.
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>>130814829
++ good
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>>130814829
OP is kill anon
his brainz sploded
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>>130816211
FLMAO

"simulation theory" is basically for techno atheist fags who can't into philosophy and are only just figuring out what all those people we're on about by framing the 'universe' in terms a 14 year old autistic computer game player can understand.

they possibly feel quite guilty in their part to play in the destruction of religion, and trying to frame this whole thing as something "new", they created.

we have basically just undone 3000 years of religous debate.

we're back at:
> well if we're just in a simulation, and have no manual about what todo, how do we arrange society best? what even is "best"...

makes me laugh literally so much.

god is real, and i've got a sneaky suspicion he has a very funny sense of humour.

science basically has out 'truthed' itself and now has to admit:

god is real is science is real

LOVE THIIS TIMELINE DESU
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Are there still atheists in the current year+1?
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>>130817764
You fail to understand chaos and complexity theory

Deterministic systems can produce unpredictable behaviour.
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>>130817333
>dark matter
>dark energy
>cosmic origins
>event horizons
>life's origins
>consciousness
>free will

Keep at it though
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>>130815032
>but evolution doesn't disprove god :/

There is no need to disprove god since first there must be a proof for the claim that god exists first.
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>>130817929
>This is some pretty big shit
/pol/ will never understand.
Also, believe it or not, /sci/ is even more retarded.
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>>130818039
Logical profs are gay.
If you can't demonstrate a working implementation of your theory than it's garbage and humanities 100%.
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>>130808886
>real-time footage

stoped reading there.

Just nonsense click bait full of buzzwords.
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>>130818065
That's what I'm saying
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>>130818008
>They are designed to keep slaves down and steal their money in exchange for nice stories.


>love one another
>don't worry about money
>we are all Gods

Yeah, yeah...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N72t7aScY&t=1m35s
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>>130816516
> Curing cancer
with no purpose, no meaning. what are we saving them 'for' exactly? :/

atheism breeds apathy.

>>130816533
dare i say it: u deist anon?
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>>130808886
"God" AKA Intelligent Design is real. It's not the god that organized religion talks about (bearded man in the sky who gives a shit about us) but intelligent design can be seen throughout existence itself. It's not random.
It will be undeniable the day it's discovered there are multiple universes and higher dimensions/plains of existence.

Pretty exciting.
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>>130814829
also neither P or Q.
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>>130817576
>shitposting all day is objectively good
>checks flag

You all are brainwashed
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>>130816152
what if your to intelligent to believe it even if you try as hard as you can to?
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>>130816828
>praying the gay away so op will be less of a faggot
underrated savagery.
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>>130817576
and what good is he using it for?
If computers and science are so "good" why is it the only thing they ever objectively do is devaluing humans? Be it through driving people out of work, or allowing the dissemination of unprecedented quantities of pornography, disinformation, and cultural garbage.

Seriously look at the state of the god damned world and justify your claim that science is good as we stand poised at the brink of a dozen civilization destroying crises that are only possible through science.
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>>130818245
>Logical profs are gay.
What about mathematics then?
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>>130808886
>what has religion achieved
>ignoring the thousands of years of bloodshed which allowed us to get to a point where we could discover these things
W E W
E
W

L A D
A
D
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>>130809914
That's not evolution, it's adaptation.

>>130808886
We are but 13yyear-olders editing the HTML at our myspace profile when it comes to DNA. Even CRISPR which was (my) best bet has started to show several side mutations.

Go LARP as scientists somewhere else
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>>130808886
>>130809914
stuff like this makes me more inclined to believe there is a god.
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>>130814325
The entire shitshow about "micro" and "macro" evolution is just religiontards moving the goalposts because they can't ignore the evidence anymore. The process is literally the exact same, the only difference is time scale.
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>>130818454
I found deism/Paganism through a feigned belief in God and the energy plane and all that shit, and through experimenting at different places of worship and with different forms of meditation/energy manipulation, my suspended belief allowed my to achieve a real belief in something
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>>130814829
Rock on my man.

The study of metaphysics brings you pretty damn close to seeing the very essence of God and it blows your damn mind.

It's a beautiful world. I'm glad today is the longest of the year.
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>>130817709
>it's your job to prove your humanity to me
Go.
Fuck.
Yourself.
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>>130818384
>shitposting all day is objectively good
Beyond any shadow of a doubt it is.

but that is a different matter from you original claim.
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>>130818124
>>dark matter
Never proven - bullshit
>>dark energy
Never proven - bullshit
>>cosmic origins
Never proven - bullshit
>>event horizons
Detected. You are talking about Black holes, right?
>>life's origins
Until observed we aren't sure. At this point we can create self duplicating bubbles and create new life from existing dead cells.
>>consciousness
Proven to be a function of the unconscious brain
>>free will
We have no free will

What was hard in here?
Just because we still can't tell something works in a certain way doesn't automatically imply god.
We have all the pieces for the life and consciousness problems but current political climate doesn't allow us to conduct the experimets that would solve this once and for all.
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>>130818597
If you can't apply the formulas in real life then they are garbage. No difference. Just because something is logically sound doesn't mean that it's real. It just means that it makes sense in the bounds of this logic system.
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>>130815851
Baby! My man, keep it up!

You're on fire!
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>>130818773
How do I know that you aren't a robot?
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>>130818081
I understand wour point of view, but we will never agree on this matter.
It might look random and chaotic, but is it? What if it looks random, but in fact it is like a tape that if you rewind it and try again and get the same result?
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>>130818484
There are many objective goods that have come from Science.

Refrigeration, how can that be bad?

yes it also has been used for bad shit but like any tool it's the user that is responsible for what is done with not the tool itself.
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>>130818008
Having faith is not a bad thing by itself is what I mean.

I'd say the catholic religion is fine. It actually never stopped scientific progress, despite what (((they))) want you to believe. It encouraged it.
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>>130816969
> as we can say nothing about his existence

what is non-intervention for 400.

If the premise of the Ontological argument is that "god" at best is the prime mover, the "first domino" of causation, and "god" has literally done nothing since, then we ofc couldn't "know" anything about him. apart from "god started all this". the next question "why?" is irrelevant and absurd because by definition, WE COULD NEVER KNOW.

> If we can't detect something or describe something then it doesn't exists.
wildy incorrect, and i now worry just how deep and long the (((termites))) have worked.

your only using about 20% of your rational brain when you think like that.
if you limit your mind to what can be "seen", your pretty much missing out on the whole magic show.

To highlight how silly all this is:
Maths and contemporary (((Science))) are only concerned with the "ordered" universe.
And they have very poor tools for dealing with "nature".

Please describe even just a simple tree in terms of lines, squares and circles....
I'll wait anon.
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religion is to science as apples are to oranges. you need to grow up and learn how to hold multiple concepts in your mind. the universe is a paradox. the universe is literally everything.
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>>130819058
you can't rewind it, we can't even measure an initial state accurately.

that's called sensitivity to initial conditions or the butterfly effect.
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When someone uses something that doesn't exist to justify hurting you you have every right to eliminate them.
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>It actually never stopped scientific progress

Listen to the pope and see how far will you go.
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>>130816677
>>130816946
>>130818028
Why don't you read Calculating Space by Konrad Zuse, IE the inventor of the first programmable computer?


>The engineer and mathematician behind the first programmable computer theorized that the universe is being computed by cellular automaton or some other discrete computational machinery and was the first to come up with the concept of digital physics

Makes me think....
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>>130819128
>your only using about 20% of your rational brain when you think like that.
I'm always using 100% of my brain. You know shit about neurology.

If "god" isn't doing anything than it doesn't exist as it makes no difference if he does or doesn't exist.

>And they have very poor tools for dealing with "nature".
Our tools are great but we can't do proper experiments on nature because of political correctness and human/animal rights.
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>>130818619
>That's not evolution, it's adaptation.

Explain difference pls
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>>130819249
I could give you some examples. Copernicus was a catholic. His book about heliocentrism was teached in catholic universities when he finished it. His book was only banned because of the protestants.

I goes without saying, but the father of modern genetics was a catholic priest.

I could go on. Don't believe what (((they))) want you to believe. History gets revised all the time and you fags at /pol/ should know better.
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>>130817555
>Further, your precious faggot razor tells us that a creation has a creator.

checkmate atheist , also your precious occam is a christian
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>>130818784
>we have no free will

Praise Jesus!
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>>130816677
Remember, anon, computers mimic reality, not the other way around.
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>>130819647
>His book was only banned because of the protestants.
See? Religion is cancer.
Without religion nobody would give a fuck about Copernicus beliefs.
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>>130819230
Sure you can't rewind it. Just let yourself wonder about this situation:
You are about to throw a dice and it lands a 5. If you were able to rewind time and throw it again how can you be so sure that it wouldn't be 5 again? And be 5 everytime you throw the dice?
This is what I am talking about. You can't prove randomness without a time machine.
You sure can calculate the probability, but it will be the chance for every shot not for the exactly same shot.
Randomness is just a human invention.
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>>130816352
oh my fucking god, a cavern man is using the internet.
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>>130817726
Euler says it better.

"Holy Spirit", pfft, pls define this anon.
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>>130819071
Refrigerants were a major culprit of ozone depletion. Currently we use vast supplies of energy to keep our processed foods cool instead of butchering our own animals. Refrigeration technology has been a major contributor to obesity.

Every technology has an eventual downside.
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Do some people not know there are religions other than Christianity?
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>>130818245
Demonstrate the big bang, demonstrate evolution from one kind to another.. oh wait, you cant faggot... so you are essentially killing yourself with your own arguments.
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>>130819760
His beliefs came from his catholic faith though, dumbass. He studied in a catholic university, like almost all the great scientists always did. They felt a need to understand god's world and how it worked. Not saying I agree, just that's how they saw it.

Again, faith and religion in itself isn't bad. It's only bad if you make it bad.
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>>130819860
The Holy Spirit is "The Universe"
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>>130819233
Something like human rights?
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>>130808886
>stranger than we thought
>it is exactly like every model of dna replication we proposed so far
>fucking normies reeee
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>>130819702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4nwTTmcgs

Using computers to create thought maps John-Dylan Haynes can predict your choices up to 30 seconds before you make them and read your thoughts on basic leve.
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>>130819860
When Jesus is talking to Nicodemus He says the it is like the wind

>The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

I am pretty sure He is talking about our subconscious and that we are all Gods within.
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>>130819071
>Refrigeration, how can that be bad?

couldn't have icbm's without it. just because a technology can be developed doesn't mean it should. soviet bioweapon researchers claimed to have creation ebolapox, a combination of ebola and smallpox. what possible good could have come from creating such a thing? technology reflects a civilizations values. the physical texture of our existence is fragile and weak -- house construction has changed little since the 50's, yet you can skype your brother across the world from atop mount everest. what purpose does that serve? what sort of value does that convey?
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>>130818065
Damn dude, I wish I could buy you a beer.
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>>130819966
>demonstrate evolution from one kind to another
I've posted it in this thread. One species of bacteria turns into another.

>Demonstrate the big bang
Nobody can but so what?
Does this prove god? We can prove that the Universe is expanding and that's it.
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>>130808886
>While bacterial DNA and human DNA are different, they both use the same replication process, so the footage can reveal a lot about what goes on in our own bodies.

I doubt this.
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>>130819808
see my first post at you

you don't understand the scale and complexity of real world things.

Something can be deterministic and still entirely unpredictable.
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>>130817807
bad examples anon.

must try harder.

also.
god invented 'everything' quite literally, not just the stuff in my home.
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>>130808886
>what has religion done recently
Maybe killed a whole sack of ppl but I stopppe counting after niece
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>>130819071
>Refrigeration, how can that be bad?

>dramatically drives up energy consumption with all the secondary environmental effects that entails
>allows for the international shipping of perishable goods causing severe unsustainable market distortion where we ship chicken to China to be processed then ship it back.
>allows humans to thrive in areas that would inhospitable otherwise increasing the surplus human population to surge
>makes us weak as we now expect to always live comfortably

Refrigeration a shit.
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>>130820160
>>130819922

So why aren't you living in mud huts then faggots?
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>>130820293
>bad examples anon.
>must try harder.
Nah, you can go fuck yourself. These are great examples.
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>>130820248
> trait level mutations create a new species

Sorry senpai. Not how that works.
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>>130819634
>Grab a fucking dictionary
Evolution refers to genetical changes through time that spread all thorugh populations of species while adaptation refers to mostly expression of pre-existing genes or the development of mutations that enhance the survivability of a specie (see as bacteria, the example you just posted).

General population tend to wrongly use them as synonyms.

then again, stop pretending you know what you are talking about.
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>>130820248
bacteria turning into bacteria isnt changing KINDS you fucking moron... At least educate yourself before coming out and making yourself look like a complete fucking retard
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>>130819634
Evolution by definition is the ADDITION of NEW genetic material, which has never once been observed to happen... ever. Evolution is a religion thinly veiled as macro adaptation. Best rethink your life nigger
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>>130818041
we "might" (and by might its eventually enevitable) be able to find the "escape codes" is you get my drift.

BUT.... all this will do is allow us to perfectly "game" the system, like getting "root" on the simulation....

but we could never look outside the box and see the higher reality of "god".

doesn't matter is a virus gets root on my computer, if there is no webcam, then it can't see me ever.

holy shit anons:

DID GOD LEAVE A WEBCAM...??

IS THERE A UPLINK TO GOD?
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>>130820532
>Not how that works.
That's exactly how it works.
Any trait mutation that affects reproduction creates a new species.
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>>130819334
>Autist obsessed with his computers believes that the whole universe is a computer

Hmm... really made me think
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>>130815868
Dummy


You are literally pre-240 BC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw30CgaXiQw
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OP is a fucking cunt that made this thread for the sake of anti-religion, meaning we don't have any real discussion about the video.

So, anons, what does our recording of DNA replication mean? What did it teach us, what do we know now that we didn't before?
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>>130820636
So are humans who are adapted to living in low oxygen environments a different species?
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>>130809914
This only further cements my inclination to believe that Watts and to a latter degree McKenna were right in everything they said.
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>>130817280
Atheist here...

What made you think a teen's blog was worth posting here?
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>>130820278
As I said, bro.
You can't prove randomness without a time machine. You will never be sure if that "random" event of yours was really "random" unless you go back in time and see it unfold it's randomness before your very eyes and than see a different result.
But nice talk.
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>>130818128
> must be a proof for the claim that god exists first.

no.
THIS IS A PREMISE.
your asking for a 'proof' of everything, but rejecting any attempts to lay down a logic premise.
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Why do people think science disproves God? If there is a God, from the way he's described, he/she/xir probably just set the ground rules and hit the go button to see what happens
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>>130820552
Was just asking for an explanation nigga, don't be so cocky

>>130820591
see >>130820552 and stfu
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>>130815814
>Reddit spacing
>uses "knows how to logic"
You have to go back
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>>130820703
show me some curvature without tbe use of fish eye lens or CGI
Protip: you cant
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Isn't God amazing?
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>>130815868
Zzzzzzzzzzz
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>>130820591
>ADDITION of NEW genetic material, which has never once been observed to happen
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>>130818289
escape codes on a personal level are pretty easy, its basically being "repilled"++

rooting the simulation would be something like finding a number overflow.
i guess black holes are something todo with it ;)
maybe event horizon is a "divide by 0" error... LOL
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>>130808886
>>>/sci/

And take your religion arguments to >>>/his/ for Christ sake
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>>130820447
Because "science" didn't invent the brick.
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>>130820990
neck yourself for not understanding your own picture
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>>130820785
How does this affect reproduction?
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>>130820883
This is what I don't get as well. I'm not religious but I'm not going to shit on others because of it. Nigga we just don't know.
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>>130808886
like tears in the rain scoob
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>>130820940
Dummy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7OO3qCfH9Y
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If atheists are so smart, can they explain why there is existance in the first place?
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>>130820883
This. He "coded" everything in a .exe and hit "run as administrator". No simulation theory supporter, unironically.
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>>130820925
Okay, I am sorry, anon. I sincerely do.
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>>130820447
why won't you address a valid criticism? this is a discussion that should be had. i don't live in a mud hut because i like my air conditioner and internet. simply enjoying conveniences of modern existence doesn't exclude criticism of them. everything must be examined critically. there is no bad outcome from reflecting on where we were, where we are, and where we are going.
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>>130821136
I do understand. Failed viral infections result in fresh new DNA in your genome. Every human has viral DNA integrated into the genome.
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>>130818338
basically P and Q are uncorrelated.

if P then Q
if not P then Q

P is not related to Q.

tl;dr... doesn't matter if any individual religion or all religions (P) are invalid. their failure says nothing about Q, "god".

it's very baby like really its like saying:

> ice creams cause motorbike crashes!!
> muh, proove they don't cause motorbike crashes then!!!
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>>130820080
Can't watch atm. What's the accuracy?
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>>130821153
If it didn't why would it be selected for?
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>>130820833
You really need to check your massive case of the Dunning-Krugers you smug passive aggressive wanker.
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>>130820817
Alan Watts and McKenna are both idiots. The former bastardized Zen/Ch'an and the latter was an undisciplined hippie.

People like Red Pine are better.
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>>130821237
nigger did you really post that bullshit and say dummy? slit those wrist immediately you fat fuck
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>>130821334
A false dichotomy so to speak.
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>>130818763
> seeing the very essence of God
pic related.

it seems the question wasn't:
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one there, does it make a sound?"

it was more:
"If a tree is in a forest and no one around, if it really there?"
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>>130821321
take that flag off and show me your leaf education nigger
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>>130821416
Because it keeps them alive.
Not the same thing.

>>130821362
up to 99.8% accuracy up to 7 seconds before you make a deciscion. Going earlier depends on how well the computer is trained to recognize your thought patterns. Your unconsciouss brain makes a decision before your conscioussness realizes that it wants something. You are a machine and your conscioussness is just a mechanism of keeping your simulation going uninterrupted.
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>>130821243
We can't correctly explain it, and neither can you.
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>>130821564
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>>130820848
>your asking for a 'proof' of everything, but rejecting any attempts to lay down a logic premise.

I don't see how any current faith can be considered logical. Furthermore proof is required in our society since if we make an exception for religion why not make an exception for everything else too?
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>>130821739
>commie doesn't believe in free will

Color me surprised.
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>>130808886
God the creator of the manifest universe. all substance is simply the universal energy supply, conditioned and put into motion via polarization. the idea that science is diametrically opposed to God is a laughable childish fallacy.
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Remember, fellas, DNA is the reason you masturbate before you cry yourself to sleep and have night terrors better than your waking life.
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>>130822078
Science proper isn't against religion, but the controllers of its knowledge are.
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>>130821556
I know I might be wrong but elaborate to me:
How can you be so sure that random is something real? What if everything is "scripted" in details? What if NOTHING have free will and every outcome is the only possible outcome that every event will have at that chance?
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>>130821739
>because it keeps them alive

You're clinically retarded.
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>>130821739
>You are a machine and your conscioussness is just a mechanism of keeping your simulation going uninterrupted.

I am a Man and I will kill any luciferian (((science))) worshipping faggot that attempts to reduce my status to that of a machine.
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>>130814829
someone took discrete math, woke af desu
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>>130814829
checked
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>>130811721
Or a simulation.
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>>130815851
STOP

STOP

HE'S ALREADY DEAD
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>>130822261
Go and read James Gleick's Chaos

it explains a lot and is a great read as well
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>>130822237
>the controllers of its knowledge are
virtually every major western academic institution is under the control of jesuits or kikes or often both working together.
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>>130822355
>that attempts to reduce my status to that of a machine
The papers are already published. You are cattle now.
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>>130821916
yes I can
god made a cell with all the different organs needed to replace itself
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>>130809914
If there's no G-d, then who taught them how to become immune to antibiotic?
The G-d bestowed that knowledge on them, those who ignored it died out, those who accepted it survived and gave progeny that survived devil's invention. All like with the mankind.
Deus Vult
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>>130820817
Essentially everything are objects in RAM.
Science is puzzled because what we see is just the rendering of what is actually going on in the server.
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>>130822527
>The G-d bestowed that knowledge on them
Semantics mang.
You say "god", I say "Universe" or "Reality".
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>>130815868
I didn't know there were also two bulges in the earth's atmosphere several thousand km apart that move in sync with any observer's perceptive.

Nice wide-angle lens faggot
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>>130822515
>The papers are already published.
Oh noooo, not paper!
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>>130822519
Not an explanation. At least not an accurate or the correct one.
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>>130822659
>Essentially everything are objects in RAM.
What's in the L1, L2 and L3 caches?
What's in the registers?
What's in the TLB?
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>>130822527
>only white bacteria survived this test of faith
Shows god's divine provenance.
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>>130808886
>What has religion achieved period
Ftfy
And nothing actually, the vast majority of people who discovered or invented things in Europe post-industrial empire we're either deists or atheists
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>>130822782
You can't burn down entire Internet, faggot.
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>>130808886
>Looks at you
You have no god
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>>130819556
lol...
I'm always using 100% of my brain.

i'm sure if i ran DOS on my current computer it wouldn't really compete with modern os's.

another way to look at it is.
how effective is a tripped out computer if its fucking riddled with "viruses".

you've abandoned rational logic.
you cannot see the "number 1" in nature, but we know it exists, i'm sure even you must give it some value.

:/

> You know shit about neurology.
incorrect
over the last 2000 years, our "brains" are working the same amount, using the same calories. so what has changed?

the "code" that runs on those brains has evolved.

are you denying our whole human progress?
are you saying you have no flaws and there is nothing to improve in future?

your confusing capacity and efficiency.

you very well be using "100% of you brain" but that doesn't mean your using it "correctly" or even efficiently.

p.s i'd go see a doctor is sounds like you have epilepsy if you brain is firing 100% all the time :/ i'll pray for you desu

> If "god" isn't doing anything than it doesn't exist as it makes no difference if he does or doesn't exist.
pretty much bingo.
now your getting it.

the premise is:
"we don't know shit about god!"
"so what should we do with ourselves in light of this?"
...
then history is basically a long argument about answer that question "correctly" or "how to live"...

> If "god" isn't doing anything than it doesn't exist
Does the "big bang" exist now? :/
Does the "big bang" exist?

> as it makes no difference if he does or doesn't exist.
nope... makes one huge difference.
we know god "exists", the question is:
is he fucking with us?
don't worry your mind with exist/not exist...
you should frame the whole thing as:

> do i trust him?
i'm sure you'll 'feel' like saying no. says something about you maybe.

to have any hope of anything, we have to assume the laws of the universe are at least consistent...

other wise "science" is just "god pulling strings".
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>>130820817
How did Allan die btw, I've never bothered to look
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>>130821120
>And take your religion arguments to >>>/his/ for Christ sake
>He says in a board with several different Christian threads a day to one of only a few atheist threads in a while.
Religious threads have been here for the longest time, man. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
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>>130822925
>You have no god
Do you? Can you sell me some?
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>>130822837
Why are you assuming a particular architecture?
If RAM is fast enough there is no need for cache hacks.
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>>130821608
fuck forgot pic
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>>130822884
>the vast majority of people who discovered or invented things in Europe post-industrial empire we're either deists or atheists
anyone that says vast majority is a tool and automatically wrong
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>>130822484
You don't know the answers, right?
I will read it anyway, first than you as I can see.
Thank you.
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>>130822940
>i'm sure if i ran DOS on my current computer it wouldn't really compete with modern os's.
Using computer metaphor is a sign of philosophers of mind who can't into real neurology.
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>>130820293
>>130820523
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>>130822911
>he still thinks the internet is free!
LOL
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>>130823066
>If RAM is fast enough there is no need for cache hacks.
Wrong. It's physically impossible to make large RAM fast enough. Your metaphor is retarded and you know it.
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>>130821243
Christcucks sure as hell can't
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>>130823153
So?
>>130823218
So?

Both of you babble some bullshit that has nothing to do with my argument.
Read my posts again but this time, pay attention.
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>>130823079
Except I'm right, and you know it
Also that was meant to be post-roman
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>>130815868
>Earth is center of universe
Technically right as the universe has no center.
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>>130816828
"When?" HOW DO YOU THINK PEOPLE BEAT CANCER RIGHT NOW, YOU TWIRLING FUCKSPHINCTER? IT'S NOT THROUGH PRAYER.
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>>130822005
okay anon.
i'll take little steps.

1. do you exist? yes/no
2. prove it
3. or prove you don't

your answer to 1 doesn't really matter because 2 and 3 are impossible to "prove" past faith.

so...
IF you exist god exists
IF god doesn't exist, you don't exist.

i'm not arsed if you want to indirectly say "i don't exist", it just outs you as an idiot.
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>>130823076
Mind throwing some context at me.

What am I looking at?
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>>130816152
Feeling good with sweet lies than living miserable with awful truth more like?
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>>130823481
my face when i want cancer except im not going to do anything to treat it and if i die its even better because im suicidal
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>>130823123
Your conceit is staggering.

Dunning-Kruger case confirmed.
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>>130808886
The hell does this prove a god?
What are the implications?

All it seems like is that two strands are reaching the same end state without coordination, like we previously thought.
Why is everyone here dropping everything and saying "divine influence"?
What if the strands are limited by an initial condition/composition, and achieve the same end goals different ways? Maybe the helixes actually have information on when to stop, encoded within themselves.
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>>130808886
This isnt a real vid, the scale bar is way too big

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ
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>>130808886
Religious Muslims are slowly but surely conquering western Europe
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>>130823256
You don't mind how fast the RAM is because the time in the simulated world is also simulated.
The program might be stopped for 3 seconds of the real world and you wont even notice it inside the simulation. And the guys on the keyboard do not care as well because pausing the program does not affect the results.
Hell they might be fast-forwarding a couple of simulated millenia out of boredom.
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>>130808886

My God, its full of stars...!
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>>130815851
>the VAST majority of scientists, (actual scientists not the jewish kind) that atheism relies on, believed in god. go figure!

The term "scientist" is vague, but polls put "belief in some kind of higher power" at 50% much lower than the average in the US.

And members of The National Academy of Sciences is said to be 93%.


But it's irrelevant, because...

>how can you think you personally know more about evolution of life than darwin or Einstein?

this is an appeal to authority.

Further more, OP could know more than both Darwin and Einstein about evolution. As fas i know Einstein didn't even study evolution, and Darwin was completely unaware of genes and dna.

>can't into logic

ok buddy.
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>>130809914
Evolution doesn't make sense for some animals like gliding squirrels. How did they evolve to have flaps which help them glide, was it because a small mammal species jumped off trees and died for millions of years until they developed a unusable small flap which eventually after another million year grew to a usable body part for jumping across trees.
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>>130814829
>shit logic the post

If you do know anything about logic then here ya go

Evidence of absence exists. It can be logically proven:

P ⇒ Q, ¬Q ⊢ ¬P

P: The premise that god(s) exist
Q: The material implication that evidence of god(s) exists

>If something exists, then there will be evidence of it.
>If god(s) exist, then there will be evidence of god(s)
>There is absolutely no evidence of god(s), therefore, god(s) don't exist.

The religious have made claims for thousands of years, and no proof has ever confirmed their beliefs. The only reasonable conclusion is that their beliefs are incorrect.

I cannot show direct and positive evidence of a lack of gods-- positive evidence is not possible in the case of anything that does not exist. So all I can do is demonstrate that no positive proof of gods exists. Since there is a complete lack of positive evidence for the existence of gods, it logically follows that they do not exist. This is basic logic.

"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence."
—Copi, Introduction to Logic
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>>130815851
>the VAST majority of scientists, (actual scientists not the jewish kind) that atheism relies on, believed in god. go figure!
Sounds like an appeal to authority.
Don't fall for that fallacy.
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>>130808886
Isn't Gods creation beautuful. Every scientific wonder in our universe is thanks to him. Thank you OP for sharing this videos and reaffirming my faith.
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>>130823404
Your argument is shit.
Your kind demands that I abandon my sense of self, the ONE OBJECTIVE QUALITY IN THE UNIVERSE THAT I CAN OBSERVE out of faith in your (((science))). Well I reject (((science))) then and I would die before I submit to an ideology that reduces me to nothing.

Fuck your (((truth))).
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>>130823882
>using the fallacy fallacy

Shame
>>
FUCK SCIENCE

God made us all equal
Jesus was a refugee
Catholics for refuges
Refugees welcome
If you are against refugees you are going to hell
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itt: schizophrenia
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>>130823481
>chemotherapy is a cure for cancer
LOL
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>>130822716
the universe is a manifestation. it grows, changes, evolves, etc. nature is under Law it is the THE LAW.
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>>130823958
>was it because a small mammal species jumped off trees and died for millions of years

well yeah probably.

cats can do this too, except they can't glide. But if they fall from a high enough height that can spread them selves out an parachute.
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>>130824015
>>130823882
Where are all you Reddit idiots coming from?
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>>130824185
muh refuG's
>nah
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>>130824430
* it is NOT
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>>130823132
no pleb, i'm using computer terms because i hoped you would at least understand them.

not going to address any of my other points?

the whole point in education is you "train" the mind to be more efferent.


>>130823404
the people you listed both belied in god.
their motives we're more from god's side than (((science)))

also, who told you science is a dichotomy with faith?

the religious search for truth, esp in christianity created science, not destroyed it.

> Sure, he that made us with such large discourse,
> Looking before and after, gave us not
> That capability and godlike reason
> To fust in us unused.

or as mohammed aptly put it:
> do you not think man?

god gave you a brain anon, use it!

>>130823609
anon, this is "god" or at least "the reality of reality".
the totality of things in a static 2d form, the mandelbrot set.

you could say, whatever god is, he too could be in a simulation, etc, etc... the infinite regress...

well, eventually, all said an done... once you've bottomed out.

what your left with is this image.
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>>130824443
>uh oh I can logically disprove his statements
>R-REDDIT!!?!?!?!!!

>got em, amirite guise?

pathetic.
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You should embrace agnosticism anons.

It is wise to say a humble "I don't know" than retarded "There is/isn't a god"
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>>130824015
Do you know how long it took for Epicurus, and even further back, that Presocratic, to be correct about atoms? Your argument is irrational examined with a basic understanding of the history of science.
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>>130824586
>can't*

also, >>130824585
quit dodging >>130824015
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>>130824446
You are going to burn in hell
God made us all equal
Jesus taught us us compassion
You can't be a good christian and be against refugees

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/10/13/pope-francis-you-cant-defend-christianity-by-being-against-refugees-and-other-religions/
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>>130808886
What do you mean its not what we expected, that's literally how its drawn everytime.
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>>130823882
> this is an appeal to authority.
yes anon, oops, you caught me.

> OP could know more than both Darwin and Einstein about evolution
true, but all authority aside (as it should be)... evolution you must admit is not a case for or against a prime mover?
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>>130824659
We've been searching for god for far far far far longer than we've looked for atoms, and have found nothing. try again. wheres the evidence of any of the massive works of god described in the bible?
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>>130824618
Acknowledging the usefulness and enjoyment of theological debate as a mental exercise while admitting that there will never be a clear answer for some reason pisses off both sides quite a bit.
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>>130818065
>God
>He

>Assigning a physical gender to a being that has no physical form

Silly little mammal. God is the universal consciousness, we are all little new individuated consciousnesses that God allowed to spring forth from it to learn about the nature of the reality it awoke in, periodically returning to it upon our temporary bodies' physical deaths, only to return again to 3D after we have submitted our latest report to the collective for disambiguation and analysis.

Don't be afraid of anything, we're here TO suffer and experience things.
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>>130824015
>if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators.
God isn't an event. Silly quotation for your poor argument.
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>>130814175
That's not how God works you heathen imbecile. Go to bed and take a fucking shower ffs
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>>130824959
are you retarded? there are tons of events described in the bible that there should be plenty of evidence for.

Nice mental gymnastics, religitard.
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>>130824015
can i suggest a critical thinking book for you? you're disgraceful
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The human condition is pretty amazing. I find the fact that we can conceptualize a god interesting. It is a very human trait and probably a sing on developing intelligence and self awareness in a species.
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been on 4chan since the SA days, do you have stairs in your house bro?

but whatever, here have a reddit-y pic
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>>130824585
Thank you for sharing.

I had no clue this existed. How was the graph determined?
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>>130825164
Not an argument, try again kiddo. I know logic is probably hard to understand for someone who dropped out of middle school, but try to come up with a better rebuttal.
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>>130824015
> their beliefs are incorrect.

cool story bro, i like it.
but that doesn't resolve the philosophical concept of god.


> "In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence."
—Copi, Introduction to Logic

very soon we will loose any ability to "sense" the big bang. empirical evidence will escape us.
the ONLY knowledge of this event would be passed down in our minds.

whats to say the same hasn't happened before with events before big bang??

>>130824021
true. but (((they))) use it, only seems fair to address the balance.
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>>130808886
can I get a quick rundown on this discovery?
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>>130814829
And you are right. These fedoras still think along the lines of positivism (which has been dead since the 1970's).
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>>130824909
The concept of atoms predates even vaguely scientific attempts to find God. Let's think of it this way, the concept of atoms was not incorrect because they lacked the instruments and the connecting understanding of other theories etc to theorize and examine atoms. Likewise the lack and God. You can look up Godel's beliefs for a more thorough theory of this concept.

>wheres the evidence of any of the massive works of god described in the bible?
And this is evidence that your argument is poor if you have to resort to "but the bible said something stupid". Who said I believe in the bible?

Your premise is false and your defense is also irrational.
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>>130809914
>all these brainwashed cucks
Bacteria standing on other dead bacteria isn't evolution.
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Why does anything even exist? Why is there even empty space?

WTF? Am I becoming a nihilist? What are these thoughts that keep me up at night. Is is the universe really an endless amount of empty space going on for eternity. These thoughts terrify me if I think too intensely about them.
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>>130808886
That doesn't look like a double helix to me.

Is DNA a solid, liquid or gas?

Biology has got to be the shittiest bridge between physics and chemistry.

Science is holy.
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>>130809914
Then you lick the middle and end the world.
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You are all fucking stupid

I want you do know that. Every one of you.
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>>130825366
>calls me out on not having argument
>resorts to ad hominem and doesnt bring any arguments either besides calling god "an event"

thanks for proving that you're unable to argue at all. you have good katana skills
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>>130825596
Why does anything exist?!

We don't know. We never will.

All we know is that we do exist, despite it being almost completely paradoxical.

We do exist. That in of itself is a miracle, anon.
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>>130818124
Dark matter/energy and "black holes" are imaginary constructs that were invented by grant-addled high priests of the Newtonian religion to prop up their failing theories in the face of plasma cosmology blowing them the fuck out.

Plasma. The physical universe is ruled by plasma and electromagnetism, not gravity.
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>>130825623
>Is DNA a solid, liquid or gas?
You fucking reta...
>ancap flag
Oh nevermind.
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>>130809914
>>130808886

Its totally random goy, nothing behind the scenes going on there.
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>>130825160
You are very poor at making arguments. Nice strawman and ad hominem in one post.

>>130825652
>you are stewpid
>I want you do know that
Hopefully you include yourself in this criteria.
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>>130825366
the religious claim that organic matter cannot be made from any combination of inorganic matter
tick tock spaghetti cuck
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>>130824857
It makes God less necessary, but yeah, it doesn't disprove God at all.
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>>130825482
Not from a Jedi.
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>>130818302
>>we are all Gods

What religion preaches this, pray tell?
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>>130824956
I really like this blurb of yours.

Two things - so basically you're saying that we're here to learn the nature of reality and give report once we re-join the universal consciousness?

If god was somewhat omni-potent to be able to pull off such a trick with this consciousness splitting (sounds like Evangelion AT field thing) wouldn't he have all the bell and whistles to understand the reality in an instant? I mean god is a god - it's a different thing (god should be omnipotent) than just some universal consciousness stuck in some queer reality.
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>>130825891
I dont get tricked into believing evolution. Its retarded. Im smart.
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Remember when scientists told us 0+0 = everything

wew
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>>130824718
I'm Orthodox I don't care about your catholic larping bureaucracy. All these 'refugees' are military aged men who lost against Assad and now came to Europe for free gibs.

>They will go to hell, and you who supports them.
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>>130825946
emporer palpatine pls
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>>130825966
Christanity. Psalms.
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>>130826034
Evolution doesn't require belief, the evidence is massive.
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>>130818484
>he blames the technology for sin and not the sinners using technology to sin through

You're a special kind of stupid, buddy. If someone stabs you with a knife is it the knives' fault or the person wielding the knife?
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>>130826143
The evidences is also massive that ((they)) lie about everything.

Or in other words, not an argument.
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>>130825160
as if anyone is looking for a burnt bush in current year + 1

hasn't realised you can debunk the bible and still believe in god.
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>>130825891
>hurr ive read fallacies and think I know what they are

He specifically asked why I called god an event I pointed out that god isnt an event but there are many events claimed to be performed by god which is what I was referring too. That's not a strawman, try looking up the definition again bud.
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>>130826143
Like bacteria standing on dead bacteria? Demonstrating their ability to use a bridge?

Its all bullshit
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>>130825861
I just don't understand how all matter is made up of electrically and/or gravitationally charged little spheres.
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>>130826240
>hurr the bible is just a joke and none of its true...but god is still there its just no one gets the info right about him

K.
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>>130825831
But gravity is the only thing that can effect things on immense scales. Galactic scales. Even though it is incredibly weak.

What does plasma have to do with anything? It's just a state of matter.
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>>130826268
You do realize that agar slice is a 3D structure, right?
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>>130826107
Jesus helped the poor
We need to help the refugees if we want to be good christians
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>>130826246
you're a pathetic fedora cuck without any ability to argue at all. all your posts revolve around insulting people and the same "muh skydaddy", just differently worded. read something on metaphysics and deism before you try to look smart

i can smell the heavy breathing all the way from here. keep moving the goalposts further. or you might as well fuck off to /r/atheism

no, this isn't an argument
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>>130820817
literally fucking crackpots.

Watts is a pseudo intellectual that appeals to the lowest denominator of drug addict same with McKenna.
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>>130826546
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>>130825324
it came out of chaos theory in mid 20th century.

z => z^2 + c


its only once we had computers to "render" hugely complex functions with beautifully simple formulas.

its such a key part of mathematics and well, everything... people say its a "discovery" rather than an invention.

its a literal version of 'gods plan' if anyone could even imagine such a thing.

"the set of all sets"....
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>>130826246
You were responding to my counterargument that God isn't an event and did two things: assumed I believed in the Bible, which is a strawman, and two: called me a religitard in place of an argument which is an ad hominem. Is that a better exposition?

You did not only make an argument that just events in the bible were incorrect, there's no need to dishonest on top of being irrational.

>>130824015
>The religious have made claims for thousands of years, and no proof has ever confirmed their beliefs. The only reasonable conclusion is that their beliefs are incorrect.

> Since there is a complete lack of positive evidence for the existence of gods, it logically follows that they do not exist. This is basic logic.
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>>130826561
Sorry, they aren't poor, they're criminals .
>the fuck out , OUT
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>>130815226
> Religion gave us jack shit since the crusades ended
>mfw
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>>130826586
are you talking in the 3rd person or about me? its hard to tell. the only goalposts getting moved is by yourself because you looked like an idiot throwing around the word strawman without understanding it, and now youve resorted to your own adhom attacks. its pretty damn hilarious.
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>>130824435
But if they did not die from falling down how would natural selection work. How would a small flap benefit to a rodents survival from another one without a small unusable flap
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Could you imagine the crypto using dna replication as a seed?

You might reproduce an obfuscative function that will evolve into a self-deprecating variable.

Hey we can only pray that we won't become obsolete. AMIRITE?
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>>130826448
> just no one gets the info right about him

anon, there is no info to get.

literally move past it.
god pressed play, his story over...
the rest is human history, still a valid story.

pls keep up
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>>130826771
You can't call yourself christian
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>>130826475
Electromagnetism is the organizing force of the physical universe, gravity is millions of times weaker than EM, and we are now seeing that all galaxies are linked with EM ropes (Bierkland Currents), just as all planets/moons/stars/galaxies/universes are.
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>>130826996
So your argument is that there is no information or evidence of god and there never will be but just trust us that he pressed "play" on the universe?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>130827028
>Jew aids niggers to get into Europe

Things never change, do they?
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>>130827034
normies don't believe the electric universe theory

at least half couldn't even explain AC to you.
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>>130826587
I'm not a believer in either and I'm sure they were wrong about a decent amount of things, but your simple dismissal is silly. Watts was a genius for making basic concepts of mysticism understandable to people, he had a thorough understanding of the history of religion and philosophy and was able to relate it clearly. That isn't pseudo-intellectualism. McKenna, likewise, had a vast knowledge of the history of ideas, plus a wealth of experience with strange drugs and experience, which he put together with that knowledge and a very entertaining mode of explaining it. Demeaning the two with an ignorant dismissal says more about you individually.
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...and another thing!

Why, if I am capable of constructing my own universes as any human can, must we all exist in ONE universe?

So that those who control the flow of information ABOUT this universe can be in control of THIS universe?

You are not God, he is not God, she is not God, they are not God, we are not God.

God is an unreachable destination but all the more worth going that way.

Or maybe I'm confusing God with Jesus?
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I think this thread readily shows that atheists are mostly retarded whilst thinking they're geniuses simply because they believe the opposite of what other people believe.
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>>130826637
you may also find this interesting.
pic related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_map

tl;dr...
there is no distinction between "chaos" and "order".
they are the same thing at different scales.

tfw taoists figured this out 2500 years ago.
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Evidence of absence exists. It can be logically proven:

P ⇒ Q, ¬Q ⊢ ¬P

P: The premise that god(s) exist
Q: The material implication that evidence of god(s) exists

>If something exists, then there will be evidence of it.
>If god(s) exist, then there will be evidence of god(s)
>There is absolutely no evidence of god(s), therefore, god(s) don't exist.

The religious have made claims for thousands of years, and no proof has ever confirmed their beliefs. The only reasonable conclusion is that their beliefs are incorrect.

I cannot show direct and positive evidence of a lack of gods-- positive evidence is not possible in the case of anything that does not exist. So all I can do is demonstrate that no positive proof of gods exists. Since there is a complete lack of positive evidence for the existence of gods, it logically follows that they do not exist. This is basic logic.

"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence."
—Copi, Introduction to Logic
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>>130825482
TL;DR
The cloning of DNA, which is a parallel process in which both strands are processed simultaneously, was previously assumed to be synced, but apparently there is no synchronizing mechanism and yet somehow it ends up matching perfectly.
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Evidence of absence exists. It can be logically proven:

P ⇒ Q, ¬Q ⊢ ¬P

P: The premise that god(s) exist
Q: The material implication that evidence of god(s) exists

>If something exists, then there will be evidence of it.
>If god(s) exist, then there will be evidence of god(s)
>There is absolutely no evidence of god(s), therefore, god(s) don't exist.

The religious have made claims for thousands of years, and no proof has ever confirmed their beliefs. The only reasonable conclusion is that their beliefs are incorrect.

I cannot show direct and positive evidence of a lack of gods-- positive evidence is not possible in the case of anything that does not exist. So all I can do is demonstrate that no positive proof of gods exists. Since there is a complete lack of positive evidence for the existence of gods, it logically follows that they do not exist. This is basic logic.

"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurence."
—Copi, Introduction to Logic
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Evidence of absence exists. It can be logically proven:

P ⇒ Q, ¬Q ⊢ ¬P

P: The premise that god(s) exist
Q: The material implication that evidence of god(s) exists

>If something exists, then there will be evidence of it.
>If god(s) exist, then there will be evidence of god(s)
>There is absolutely no evidence of god(s), therefore, god(s) don't exist.

The religious have made claims for thousands of years, and no proof has ever confirmed their beliefs. The only reasonable conclusion is that their beliefs are incorrect.

I cannot show direct and positive evidence of a lack of gods-- positive evidence is not possible in the case of anything that does not exist. So all I can do is demonstrate that no positive proof of gods exists. Since there is a complete lack of positive evidence for the existence of gods, it logically follows that they do not exist. This is basic logic.

"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence."
—Copi, Introduction to Logics
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>>130827300
Agreed.
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>>130827028
get that charlatan out of my screen
I told youalread , to be a Christian also means say no to all these ISIS thugs in who are criminals . end of story

>it is you who isn't Christian, youre a kike shill
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>>130827402
Thanks, anon; I appreciate it.

Good to know there's some great minds out there.
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We need an expert on (((The Universe))).
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>>130827473
>>130827523
>>130827549
We get that you are enamored of your own supposed intellect, but wouldn't it be better if you responded intelligibly to the arguments against your position instead of reposting it in a fit of annoyance and/or rage?
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>>130827296
Normies believe what they are told to believe by those whom abuse the Appeal to Authority fallacy the strongest.

The field will only officially acknowledge Plasma Cosmology as the new scientific consensus once all the fags reliant on grants retire and die off.
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>>130827191
in order to live in an "ordered" world of any sort, you have to have a method of "proof".

to be able to asset anything at all lets say A, you must provide a "proof".... or proof of A.

but then how do you know the proof of A is correct?

you must also have a "proof of proof of A" :/

as you see this is logically absurd, and exposes the fact that:
IF you think you know anything at all, somewhere down the line your "proof chain" is broken. For you can't possibly know an infinite regression of proofs.

At some point all people appeal to authority or faith.

To solve this nasty reality, logic is turned around.

Assume something is correct, lets call it A, or "god", how much other logic can we hang off this premise?

You can't really have logic without a definition of what "True" is in the first place. :/
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Are Cucktholics from /pol/ dumb or just trolls?

>They don't like cucks, but:
Their religion is based on cuckoldism, Mary got impregnated by the neighbor and told Joseph, the dumb cuck, that she was still a virgen

>They don't like sandniggers, but:
Idolatrize a basterd sandnigger born in the Middle East called Jesus

>They think white people are superior, but:
Their religion says that god created all men equal

>They are against refugees, but
Their religion, and religious leaders are enthusiastically pró-refugees

Cucktholics of /pol/, pls explain yourselves
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There is at least 1 universe per every human being.
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