Why does /pol/ hate nihilism, not talking about the christ

Because the illiterate brainlets on /pol/ have never actually read any nihilist literature and instead choose to grossly oversimplify the idea as "believing in nothing" when really it has a lot more worth and meaning than that.

>>130790983
Also /pol/ is full of pseudo-philosophers who read Plato's republic and think they understand philosophy.

Arendt was a smart cookie.

>>130790983
are most suicidal people (excluding ones who suicide because of something retarded like bullying/love ) nihilists ?

>>130791854
If you kill yourself you're literally anti-nihilist.

If you'd actually read Nietzsche you would know that he despised suicidal people as weak

>>130791854
if nihilist dont care about anything what reason would they have to kill themselves? use your brain

>>130792227
>nihilist dont care about anything

holy fuck do you even realize how wrong you are?

>>130792067
could you explain more ?

>>130792227
>if nihilist dont care about anything
i thought nihilists believe nothing has meaning, caring or not caring is irrelevant, in fact not caring is the same as caring for a nihilist.

>>130792304
correct ?

Because any independent thought about theology and every good argument is answered with "muh fedora" "jesus loves you" "the bible is right because the bible" "you ORLY beleeeive that we came from nuttin?" "crawling in my crawl", none has ever read Nietzsche and disregard it as edgy defeatism when in reality is the opposite.

>>130790637
/pol/ is a Christian board.

>>130792462
Nihilism isn't about "not caring about anything", just because you disregard most of ethics doesn't mean you don't care about anything and should kill yourself.

>>130791135
If you don't understand the Republic you don't understand philosophy

>>130792637
most niggers are christian, coincidence ?

>>130792658
It is quite literally the belief that all life is meaningless, stemming from the Latin nihil.

>>130790637
>muh there is no purpose in life.
Prove it.
Nihilists are like ateists
>muh there is no god.
Prove it.
It is stupid to believe in something without prove.

>>130793026
>It is stupid to believe in something without prove.
>believes in god

2/10 got a (you)

>>130792859
If you actually bothered to read Nietzsche you'd know that life isn't pointless, but because there is no God nor any afterlife, your goal should be to live your life to the fullest and as best as you can.

Honestly, Nihilism is quite a positive philosophy.

>>130792701
What philosophical value does the republic have for contemporaries then?

>>130792723
Of course not. They were forced into it as slaves.

>>130793107
I never said i belive in god.

>>130793111
>Nietzsche is Nihilism
Now that's some strong fucking bait.

>>130790637
Because rather than using it as a motivation to do something withh your ONE LIFE peopel use it as an excuse to procratinate and not get involved.

>>130792304

nihilism to me is embracing life and all it has to offer (good and bad) because it's recognised that it's brief and fleeting, and in the long run its matters not one whit, only to the person experiencing life while it happens.

When you can experience joy and rage and pain -love and fear and loss - you are alive, vibrant and NOW

>>130793111
Telos. Logos. The Good. Lessons from the allegory of the cave and the myth of Gygas' ring. A refutation of the idea that since many people have many definitions of justice, there is therefore no justice. The project of the devolved forms of ideal state. The noble lie, or really the idea of a noble lie because Plato's is retarded. That's just to name a few.

Oh yeah, and kill all the poets.

>>130793368
This guy pretty much gets it. Because you have just this one life you should enjoy it to the fullest.

>>130793512
>>130793368
so what's the difference between nihilism and hedonism ?

>>130793236
Yeah he provably only read about Nietzsche in a text book and went to lecture to be told what it means by a post structuralist.

>>130792859
Nihilists diverge into two groups. Those that think life cannot be given meaning and thus commit suicide, or those who decide to give meaning to what is meaningless.

>>130790637
read crime and punishment fag, and you'll know why nihilism is not sustainable in a society.

>>130790637
because /pol/ doesnt actually read what nihilism is about or if they did they think "live your life to the fullest because there is no afterlife" means "be a hedonistic degenerate cuz theres no god lol"

>>130793586
Or he actually read and just completely missed the point as sadly many people do. I guess that's why so many say he just straight skipped to insane.

>>130790637
because it drives entire countries into collective suicide

>>130793579

I did not mention intentionally seeking out pleasures, living in whimsy. You can be nihilistic and weather all that life throws at you, whilst embracing each emotion and experience. Nihilism does not equal decadence.

>>130793579
Hedonism implies escape from pain and suffering, read David Hume.

>>130793579
Hedonism is purely the pursuit of pleasure, but that is simply one of the many mental states available to us. Living life to the fullest means experiencing the greatest joy, anger, sadness, frustration, epiphany, fright, compassion, hatred et cetera. So in that sense, rather than simply pursuing pleasure itself, you learn to enjoy living in it's entirety.

>>130794100

This

>>130793579
Hedonism is specifically searching pleasure. Not the same.
Living life to its fullest does not imply pleasure, but proactivity and self-reliance, rejection of afterlife/illusions of ideal bliss.

>>130790637
Because edgelords miss the point and don't realize that Neitzshe was not advocating Nihilism. Nihilism undermines epistemological authority and ontological grounding, political Nihilism is postmodernism on PCP.

>For some time now our whole European culture has been moving as toward a catastrophe, with a tortured tension that is growing from decade to decade: restlessly, violently, headlong, like a river that wants to reach the end.

Look at Russian (((Nihilists))) in the late 19th century acting out their corrosive philosophy if you seek to understand why anons on /pol/ hates Nihilism.

>>130790637
>PSYOPS have little effect on those with exceedingly high levels of morale
Morals=morale, which is why demoralization is the key to suversion

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Psalm 1

>>130794523
What a beautiful story it must be true Im gonna convert now thanks

>>130794523
wtf i love christ now

>>130790637
Nihilism by itself is cancer because if you choose to believe nothing has any meaning, then there is no reason why one shouldnt kill themselves. It encourages an unhealthy level of materialism as well as only providing no path for any way to find any inner and emotional satisfaction in your life.
Acknowledging nihilism and choosing to give life your own meaning is inherrently superior

Nietzsche is alwalys misinterpreted for nihilism when he was advocating for the exact opposite of it because he feared that the death of the church as a genuine moral institution would lead to nihilism and thereby the death of society. He instead advocated for people to create their own moral systems, to which people of lesser wills would follow it like they once did for the church.

>>130790637

Because of edgy kids. Everyone knows how easy it is to tear shit down. What people like to forget is that those philosophers tore things down hoping to find the core that would stand up to them.

We would like to build something rather then wallow in self pity.

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>>130793943
It implies more than that. The word comes from the goddess Hedone.

"Hedone was the personification and goddess of pleasure, enjoyment, and delight."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedone

>>130793368
>to me

Found your problem.

>>130796192
my flag has nothing to do with this thread

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>>130794851
See you in the throne room on that day

>>130792067
>If you'd actually read Nietzsche you would know that he despised suicidal people as weak

what does nietzche have to do with anything? He wasn't a nihilist at all
>>130793111
>Honestly, Nihilism is quite a positive philosophy.

you're an idiot. There are two types of nihilism. Existential and metaphysical. the former rooted in the latter. existential nihililsm literally is "there are no moral objective truths" hence why there is a problem with nihillism morally. It is the complete antithesis of religion that states morality is relative. Hence why social constructivism has nihilist undertones. It quite literally is epistemic nihilism.

Which leads into metaphysical nihilsm. Here you see the problem with nihillism because it is a paradox. Which is their thesis: "the only objective truth is that there is no objective truth". In it's extreme form it denies all validity of existence. No matter, no consciousness.

>>130790637
Because your brain is programmed to find reward, satisfaction, and accomplishment from all the things nihilists recognize are meaningless. Whether you spend your life striving or not striving doesn't matter from the greater perspective of the universe, but it is undeniable that the individual human being's subjective experience is different in each case, and that striving provides a better experience because of the way our brain's are wired.

Basically, it comes down to pursuing the only avenue towards happiness we have because it matters to us, individually, as human beings who have no control over the fact that we are human beings, even if we can see that it doesn't matter beyond the human perspective. The fact that you have the ability to imagine your actions as if they were being assessed by some cosmic Lovecraftian entity doesn't mean that you ARE some cosmic lovecraftian entity.

If a dog suddenly developed an awareness of how everything they do is absolutely meaningless from the perspective of a human being, should they spend their lives worrying about how the human being sees them, or should they pursue the only paths to happiness their biology gives them as dogs powerless to change the fact that they're dogs?

Associating yourself with a perspective greater than human is stupid when you are a human being. It's like white people who let themselves get trampled on and welcome the muslim hordes to rape their culture because "we did it to others". If you were a third party looking in, that would make sense. But you're not – you're a member of the group that is going to get trampled on and the pseudo-intellectual holier-than-thou perspective has no practical value.