>be me >live in ancap paradise >no internet because

Georgia isnt paradise

>>130694609
Wtf I hate libertarians now

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>>130694609
>implying ancap is even possible.
>implying anarchist anything is even possible as anything but a short-term breakdown of order.
Anarchists are the most deluded people around.

>>130694609
+1

Not a roach today my friend. Kemalist by any chance?

>>130696410
Of course. We're soldiers of Mustafa Kemal.

YOU SUCK

>>130697546
Nigger

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kosova is albania

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>no internet because companies were never funded so it wasn't developed

Who knows, maybe the internet would never have been invented
Maybe it wouldn't have been, but in a free market people still would have competed to come out with better forms of radio communication, so it's not too far off an idea that it would have come around eventually.

>hope I don't die of heavy metal poisoning because there are no food safety regulations

Even without food regulations most people won't eat poison, they're not completely retarded, nothing much else too it (also a free market system would have people trying to produce the cheapest, and safest food possible) since someone dieing from your product would be terrible for your brand name

>hope I don't get hit in my car because there are no car safety regulations

If you're saying you hope you don't get hit because no government regulations forced your car to contain airbags, then in a free market system you would have the right to choose which car, with what features to spend your money in. If you're saying you hope you don't get hit because no one can drive right without regulations than you're just retarded

>work for 9 hours with 15 minute break

Likely only highly unskilled people would take a job like this, and not only would they have the right to quit. They would also likely be swept up by any company that offered working conditions even the slightest bit better.

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>completely illiterate because public schools were closed and I don't have money for private school

Free market would increase the number of private schools drastically, supply and demand.

>call the police

>only make 10$ a month because no labour laws

Again, no one would take a job like this and this company would loose its employees to literally anyone else
>can't afford to go to the hospital I'd probably die there since there are no requirements for proper sanitation

No one would go to a dirty hospital, in the free market a cleaner hospital would open up to compete

>megacorporations inherit my property because of my employment contract

Did you sign the contratt?
(no one would sign this contract)

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>>130694609
That flag is winning.

>>130694609
>be turkroach
>fuck goats

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Missed the police thing, AnCaps are never clear on the police thing imo, but my guess is that they'd pool money as a community or something to pay a security firm, but idk

>>130697948
>free market people still would have competed
Ancaps don't compete. They collude against the out-group. Are you 12?
>Likely only highly unskilled people would take a job like this
Why would there be any better? You either take a job or don't eat.
>thinks final paychecks would ever be issued in ancap paradise
Or else what?

>Be a turk
>Have low IQ
>Cant figure out how markets adapt to demands

>>130695801
this.
It just wont work
Its really not hard to understand this, same goes for communism. Bloody pseudo-intellectuals.

>>130698084
>Who knows, maybe the internet would never have been invented
Not an argument

>Even without food regulations most people won't eat poison, they're not completely retarded, nothing much else too it (also a free market system would have people trying to produce the cheapest, and safest food possible) since someone dieing from your product would be terrible for your brand name
Without regulations large companies would dump their factory waste into their products as there aren't any regulations.

>If you're saying you hope you don't get hit because no government regulations forced your car to contain airbags, then in a free market system you would have the right to choose which car, with what features to spend your money in. If you're saying you hope you don't get hit because no one can drive right without regulations than you're just retarded
As the state is an anarchy, any retard can just hit you or your car without any consequences of being arrested

>Likely only highly unskilled people would take a job like this, and not only would they have the right to quit. They would also likely be swept up by any company that offered working conditions even the slightest bit better.
There aren't any working regulations, thus the companies would just give people minimum wage and force them to work for a lot of hours to make most profit. All companies will do this, quitting your job won't help.

When you're so much of a cuck that you think only the government can do anything.

>>130694609
>>no internet because companies were never funded so it wasn't developed
lol this meme is so stupid. the whole thing is hilarious. stupid commies will boycott brands and never realize they're behaving as capitalists.

what it must be to rely on regulations so much that you accidentally sleep through entire towns dying from lead poisoning.

you've'll really earned your helplessness. lol @ your weakness

>>130698514
You ignored the whole "anyone offering better working conditions would steal that persons employees" part, I'm sure it would be shit, but literally no one would be able to fire people for work like that, no one is working 9 hours a day for 10$ a month

>>130694609
Why are roaches so unfunny? You can't even make fun of retards.

>using a libertarian flag meme to discuss ancap

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Ancaps are the dumbest fuckers on this board but at least they're infinitely more entertaining than the Iranian proxyfags and Nazi LARPers

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>>130698394
Is that the best argument you got dearest ancap? Gonna ignore the whole point?

>>130695801
100% agree. Anarchists are retards.

>>130698833
>anyone offering better working conditions would steal that persons employees
I didn't miss that part. I missed the part where employers were somehow bound to provide full employment to all comers, or where employees were something that an employer would desire, rather than a cost center to be eliminated.

the best ideology is nesoeshism
it doesnt exist yet

>>130699111
What point? You fuck goats, why would think you could have a productive conversation. You're literally inbred retards.

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>>130699457
Next time try debunking other's arguments, summerfag.

>>130699572
I filter gadsdenflag fags. You should too.

>>130694609
fucking kek

you're that fucking roach who's been larping as a burger, you were hiding behind Gadsden flag and flat out denied being a roach
Not Euro, dirty slimy brown fly ridden gobble gobble gobble akhbar!

ROACH
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>>130698746
>Not an argument
Didn't know I was supposed to be making one.

>Without regulations large companies would dump their factory waste into their products as there aren't any regulations.
Not how the free market works, if everyone somehow agreed to poor shit into the food they sell then all it would take is for one if them to not do that to steal literally everyone's customers, people buy the best food they can get their hands on, literally an incentive not to poor trash in your product.

>As the state is an anarchy, any retard can just hit you or your car without any consequences of being arrested
Idk how AnCaps feel about the NAP, but all I can really say is
>NAP

>There aren't any working regulations, thus the companies would just give people minimum wage and force them to work for a lot of hours to make most profit. All companies will do this, quitting your job won't help.
Again, literally any company with better working conditions, or better pay would steal everyone else's employees, miners have shit conditions and earn quite a bit, shelve stockers have dandy work conditions and earn shit fuck all, no one settles for shit work and shit earnings

>>130699572
why? Did you make an argument?

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>>130699871
At least proud to be one.

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anarchy needs to stop.

(im not going to contribute im just here to watch)

>>130699349
Shit conditions and a shit pay drive the employee away, of a company wants to employ people they have to make a case for it, it's all voluntary

>>130694609
>be me
>live in roach paradise
>no internet because companies were never funded so it wasn't developed
>eat breakfast
>hope I don't die of heavy metal poisoning because there are no food safety regulations
>go to work
>hope I don't get hit in my car because there are no car safety regulations
>work for 9 hours with a 15 min break to eat my hopefully toxin free food
>come home to see my daughter
>completely illiterate because public schools were closed and I don't have money
>next day
>daughter gone
>oshit.jpg
>call the police
>"You will be charged 1 halal for this call"
>has to pay 5 halal for the search
>only make 2 a year because no labour laws
>they decline
>look for her myself
>get stabbed for my shoes
>police officer standing right next to me can't help me
>can't afford to go to the hospital
>nearest mosk inherit my property because of my religion
>such is life in roach land
>stay safe non-roaches
>and wish me luck

fixd

>>130699111
>Pretend to know for sure what would have happened if the state didn't fund people who already had invented internet by the time they started throwing money at them.
>Pretend to know for sure if the lack of taxes wouldn't have allowed thousands of inventions to flourish
>Pretend to know for sure that private investors weren't the second best offer internet inventors had
>Pretend to know for sure that the government didn't actually stall internet's commercialization because muh military use.

But hey, you're making arguments. They're just a fucking uni-dimensional disgrace worthy of a Turkish "intellectual". Kys

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>>130699934
>Not how the free market works, if everyone somehow agreed to poor shit into the food they sell then all it would take is for one if them to not do that to steal literally everyone's customers, people buy the best food they can get their hands on, literally an incentive not to poor trash in your product.
The problem is without regulations, every company will try making most profit by not making quality food, so everyone will be forced to eat shit food.

>Idk how AnCaps feel about the NAP, but all I can really say is NAP
See the attached image

>Again, literally any company with better working conditions, or better pay would steal everyone else's employees, miners have shit conditions and earn quite a bit, shelve stockers have dandy work conditions and earn shit fuck all, no one settles for shit work and shit earnings
Every company will give workers shit standarts, so there won't be many companies stealing other's customers. Companies can also threaten people to stay in their job so no one steals their employees.

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>>130699966
no you're not, you wouldn't show your flag the whole last week you filthy shitskin subhuman
gadsden flag is Murrcan and steeped in tradition why do you use it?you're the type of cunt the west wants to see wiped from the face of the earth

you're just a filthy fucking stack of feces disguised as a gorilla, get the fuck out

>>130700420
>it's all voluntary
>human needs are voluntary
>food is voluntary
>shelter is voluntary
>freedom from aggression is voluntary
That's a very interesting hypothesis you have there. Please do elaborate.

>>130700741
Hey now, I didn't repeat any of these statements in that attached image, did I? You're too quick to judge.

Funny how internet wasn't created in socialist countries, super big states apparently not good enough to create internet,

But somehow the most capitalist country for most of the XX century breeding geniuses with way too many resources and time in their hands thanks to cheap production, massive savings, and a tremendously capitalized society, invents internet.

What is the difference between the US and all the other shit countries that never accomplished anything? Was it the state? Or was it the fact that they actually had capitalism you fucking mongs?

>>130700750
It's almost like I said non of what you just typed, but hey that's just a theory

>>130694609
>be me
>filthy fucking roach
>no one gives a shit about my opinion

FTFY

>>130700680
>I would buy poisoned food to save 0.5% on my annual breakfast budget
It's ok israel, you can turn off the proxy now.
That, or turkroaches are more inbred than I thought.

>>130700999
You could answer the question. If employment is something that a free citizen can opt out of, what are their other options for satisfying human needs? Is the fact that they might be voluntary for some but obligatory for others a sign that they are not, in fact, inherently voluntary?

>>130694609
So late 1800s America, basically?

>>130701210
In a highly robotized society where the employment options are scarce, investments should be enough to provide without having to lift a finger, won't even need investment knowledge, all companies will be productive as fuck anyway.

In current times, learning a trade online (google is the biggest progress ever made in terms of sharing and acquiring knowledge) and self employing, or investing, but investing today is riskier than it will be in the future.

How do you think things like getting rich thanks to Bitcoin are possible, if not thanks to massive productivity growth? People have so fucking much production nowadays they don't know what to do with it.

>>130700680

>The problem is without regulations, every company will try making most profit by not making quality food, so everyone will be forced to eat shit food.
"every company will try making the most profit" the best way to do that would be by offering food without trash in it, it's called competition, whoever makes the best food for the cheapest price will gain the majority of consumers


>See the attached image
I don't get it, I'm not an ancap idk what ancaps think about police

>Every company will give workers shit standarts, so there won't be many companies stealing other's customers. Companies can also threaten people to stay in their job so no one steals their employees.
Literally how do you know this? Does competition not exist in ancap wonderlands?

>>130701199
That's not the point. Every food will be poisoned so people won't have a chance.

>>130700680
>The problem is without regulations, every company will try making most profit by not making quality food, so everyone will be forced to eat shit food.

Without regulations, companies will be interested in creating private quality control companies. Food companies will then be interested in getting "approved" by widely trusted quality control companies, otherwise they would fail in the market.

Private insurances should take care in case of fraud such as providing poisonous food, companies that have thousands of people suing them won't get far in the market.

I'm just going to answer this one so it can be evident to you that you have a deep lack of knowledge on the topic and a deep lack of abstract thinking capabilities. Read and then come back.

>>130701663
>investments
That implies having something in the first place. That also implies having a system in which corporate profits are returned to shareholders, which is again voluntary. That also implies that the most profitable corporations would be public, or any corporations, really.

>How do you think things like getting rich thanks to Bitcoin are possible, if not thanks to massive productivity growth
What makes you think that Bitcoin has underlying value, and isn't just something chased by money that has no productive place to park itself or ill-gotten gains that have no way to get home?

>>130701765
>Does competition not exist in ancap wonderlands?
Why do they need to compete? Why would they, when the market intrinsically favors the buyer due to the simple fact that corporations don't have to eat but humans do?

>>130702070
>not an argument

>>130694609
>be roach
>don't understand basic economics because never went to school
>only know how to shitpost and fuck goats
weew compelling argument achmed

>>130694609
Ancaps are just as retarded as commies

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I find it pretty funny how most of ancaps/libertarians ignore the whole point of OP's post and proceed to insult him by either calling him a roach or inbred. This shows how retarded those people are

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>>130694609
have you been to gezi park protests? government withdrew all it's services for a while in certain places. people were cleaning up the streets, breaking up fights, keeping the order and cooking food for everyone free of charge. not to mention that everyone were openly smoking weed and drinking excessively

it felt like fucking paradise for a week

>>130702304
They compete because that's how you earn bitcoin

>>130702070
Then you're actually retarded.
It would take ONE farmer making edible bread out of his own crops and he would get most of the demand on him (which would make his little production price skyroket).
Now it's up to him to decide if he should make more, get less money per piece but probably increase his total revenue, albeit putting in more work and probably having to hire people, or keep the price high.
In the second scenario, another farmer will copy the idea, driving the prices down again.
When a market has no competition (in this case no good food), the entry price is extremely low compared to the revenues.

But I doubt your retarded little brain can grasp this and you'll keep spouting "but all teh fod is poisn!".
I will suggest that you should unironically kill yourself, after paying a fair fee to buy a gun and one bullet.

>>130702304
Getting something to get started would be incredibly easy.

Massive inheritances, massive quantities spent in charity, massive opportunities in entertainment.

>What makes you think that Bitcoin has underlying value, and isn't just something chased by money that has no productive place to park itself or ill-gotten gains that have no way to get home?

The fact that people are working, generating wealth, and then investing that wealth which is what backs up the value of Bitcoin?

Bitcoin is backed by thousands if not millions at this point people's work.

>>130702202
You are far kinder and smarter than I, I applaud you Mr.noroads

>>130703000
Trips wasted.

You don't understand the concept of "companies", do you?

>>130702935
I've been to. It was anarcho-communism, not anarcho-capitalism.

>>130698534
>Cant figure out how markets adapt to demands

Once there's this much capital accumulation, they don't. Why would someone worth billions need you, your labor, or your business? They'll just buy up a big plot of land, hire a few servants and maybe some concubines. Then they'll throw up a "keep out" sign, and pay an army to patrol the perimeter. THAT is the ancap end game.

>>130703316
I don't have to ask if you know how a company works tho, for it's clear you do not have the qualities to even sell lemonade to kids without poisoning it because it's cheaper.

>>130703316
>>130703000

He literally described how the farmer would likely have to hire others and start a company, I'm starting to think you're either b8ing or just have a very high concentration of turk blood flowing through your soft interior

>>130703745
him being a turk isnt an argument

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I will just leave it here

>>130694609
the point OP is that you have to man up and become the one that's free and stabbing people for their shoes. survival of the fittest - > weeding out of the weak - > stronger human race and better, on aggregate, subjective existence for all people in the future generations.

this, as opposed to slavery, as opposed to the end of natural selection breeding weakness, complacency and illness into our human genepool.

it's the ultimate acceptance of personal responsibility for the ultimate good. it's not for everyone, it's especially not for the weak or infirmed, but it's truly the only hope for the human race.

also internet, literacy, and all of the stuff you take for granted as being "positive" really means nothing and is part of your enslavement once you realize how to live and survive on the ground and in the wild.

if we lived in such a world.......it would be better. no more slavery. just strength and decency and the ultimate spiritual truth that you are all born knowing, but that gets beaten out of you by the deceptive and spiritually backward societies that control all of us :(

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>>130704793

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'Anarcho'-capitalism is an oxymoron. The anarchist movement from its inception has been against capitalism. Ancaps make the false assumption that anarchism is just against the state. Anarchism is about abolishing all forms of coercive hierarchy so that people may live freely. Capitalism is inherently hierarchical. All 'anarcho'-capitalism would achieve is the revival of feudalism.

>Introduction to Anarchism
https://libcom.org/files/intro%20pamphlet%20reading.pdf

>The Anarchist FAQ
http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionA

>Is 'Anarcho'-Capitalism a form of Anarchism?
http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionF

>Anarcho-'Capitalism' is impossible.
https://c4ss.org/content/4043

>What is Property, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen

>The Conquest of Bread, Peter Kropotkin
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

>Markets not capitalism
http://radgeek.com/gt/2011/10/Markets-Not-Capitalism-2011-Chartier-and-Johnson.pdf

>>130704197
It wasn't the argument

>>130704793
I'm pretty sure alot of roads in America and Canada today aren't even maintained by the government, and instead private companies, but I'd have to check

>>130705496
>lack of government means lack of markets
your an idiot. you're linking to a bunch of idiots.
>markets =/= capitalism
>capitalism = profit
>markets =/= profit
again, you're an idiot.

people who reject anarcho-capitalism, which is the only true form of anarchism that i know of (despite what some of the morons above me are saying) are basically just people that cannot accept the ultimate personal responsibility needed for humans to truly be free.

sorry guys, i know the world is scary, but if you're running to the government to protect you, even from thugs and thieves, you aren't free and you aren't really doing it "right" in life.

life should be about living free, in the wild, hunting and being hunted. surviving and knowing that only the strong will survive.

this is the deepest spiritual truth of your life that you will never learn in a church or in society because society is an illness created by the WEAK PEOPLE that CANNOT SURVIVE in the world.

when you're there. when you're out. when you're on your own. feet on the ground. doing what you need to do. and when you realize you're strong enough and smart enough and fast enough to live that way. and when you realize that you don't need ANYBODY else on this planet, much less faggot society, THEN you'll understand the deep spiritual truth of your life. but until then, you're just another faggot slave whining about how "muh anarcho capitalism isn't practical!" , sorry :(

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>>130705496
Nobody cares nigger. Get your stupid anarchy shit out of here.

>>130694609
based roach?

>>130705183
Some of us would rather not live in a "society" (if you can even call it that) where the average life expectancy is 35.

>>130702874
Don't the Nazis on this board do the same thing when they call people Jews?

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>>130694609

Thanks for demonstrating that freedom is incompatible with low iq subhuman scum, roach

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You faggots still haven't realised...

>>130694609
>>be me
>>live in ancap paradise
>>Enjoys absurdly fast and cheap Internet because unregulated competition drove the prices down and innovation up
>>eat breakfast
>>The food is delicious and healthy because the competition is do harsh that any subpar product means death for the company
>>go to work
>>Be amazed at how my car is safe and clean because of unregulated competition
>>work a classic 9 to 5 in with a good salary because i'm not a lazy fuck, the economy is in a so good shape that anyone can find a job anywhere, and employers make everything to retain the most skilled and competent workers
>>come home to see my daughter
>>She's just graduated from one of the most prestigious Universitiy in the country because no tax, so I was able to save for her tuition
>>next day
>>daughter gone
>>oshit.jpg
>>Police doesn't exist, call one of the numerous muscle for hire agencies
>>They propose me a very interesting ''search and rescue'' package, with a ''personally put a bullet the the fucker who took my daughter'' bonus
>>daughter is found within the hour because they're not incompetent, unlike cops
>>Rough day, and my daughter needs a medical checkup
>>On the spot medical checkup is included in my medical health care package, everything for my daughter
>>Such is life in the land of freedom

>>130708947
Dumbest picture I've ever seen.

Libertarianism and fascism are polar opposites. Look up the definition of words sometime.

>>130709486
Where does it imply it's the same thing?

>>130709941
It doesn't but it attempts to merge the two which is absurd. Oil and water.

>>130694609

>T. Hongkong resident

>>130708947
>Full potato

>>130710205
Say that I have a vast amount of land and I decide to sell access to portions on it in exchange of signing a contract of behavior.

This contract establishes that people living in the community must embrace fascism, or that anyone darker than X is not going to be able to purchase property.

How is this incompatible with anarcho capitalism?

>>130710574
Because libertarianism != Anarcho-capitalism

And fascism != No brown people

You have a very simplistic understanding of these terms. Go look up what they actually mean and you'll quickly see why libertarianism and fascism are completely incompatible.

>>130694609
Ancap strawmen are so fucking amusing.

Tell me more about all the shit you can't have because you can't afford it and how the state forcing you to pay for it would somehow make your life easier. You really think $19 is a lot of money for a police force when we pay way more than that in taxes easily. $20 is a fucking bargain for a trained and equiped police officer to come to your house and risk their lives for your protection. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A LARGE PIZZA FOR $20 YOU INSIPID POORFAG.

>>130695801
>Implying order isn't a momentary imposition on anarchy that always breaks down

>>130697948
>since someone dieing from your product would be terrible for your brand name
Pay $1000 to private Coroner for autopsy that proves this.
Company pays $2000 to same coroner to keep quiet.

>>130711052
I know fascism is not no brown people, just wanted to expand it, my example it's not just fascist, but also discriminates in the basis of ethnicity, which would prove that anarcho capitalism is compatible with both fascism and ethno-communities.

The problem of claiming that libertarianism is not anarcho capitalism is that versions of libertarianism are like assholes, everyone has one. With that "fluidity" of concept it's impossible to go to concrete arguments, so go ahead and explain your version of libertarianism.

Which laws would, in your version of libertarianism, prevent me from creating the community of my example?

>>130711788
You're missing the point completely. Fascism isn't compatible with anarcho-anything.

Fascism means complete and utter control by the state. You don't get to decide who lives where. The state does.

>>130711670
why would your family take you to an autopsy entity that is not known for being fair/impartial?

Chances are your insurance would pay for it anyway, who wouldn't like to have an autopsy in case of murder provision, it would be cheap.

>>130711052
>Ethnostate
>You can get out if you feel like, but to enter you have to go past a selective system
>Semi-freedom with a code of morals. You can be degenerate in your private property behind walls. Pedophilia, zoophilia and incest fully forbidden
>NAP
>Just 2 taxes: Military and Civil Security
>Can't oppose the regiment, if you're not happy you can get the fuck out
It's neither of them, but seems great to live on

>>130708970
>daughter is found within the hour
Highly unlikely since there is no FBI, State Police, State borders, Police Road blocks, and no central news agency to make an announcement.

>>130712146
So what law would prevent me from creating a fascist-like run private community?

I don't give a fuck about your definition of fascism or whether you think it is compatible or not, I want arguments, tell me, exactly, why I can't do it. Why doing that would be incompatible.

I'm waiting.

>>130712538
It's not my definition of fascism, it's THE definition of fascism.

Banning brown people from your property is not fascism. It's just discrimination.

>Democratic paradise
>on the way to work
>reach an intersection
>everyone votes on who goes next
I dont know where I'm going with this actually

>>130712216
>why would your family take you to an autopsy entity that is not known for being fair/impartial?
This is a good point. The free market at least gives consumers the option of not paying for services that they deem dubious. When the state forces you to pay for them you have no recourse.

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>>130712538
No, you're 100% correct. Until these guys show up at your gate.

>>130712999
Oh, good rebuttal...

I don't know, perhaps you're arguing that I should not have right of free association? Perhaps you're arguing that I should not have right of discrimination in my property?

Perhaps you're arguing that my private community cannot have a sense of patriotism? Perhaps you're claiming that I will not be able to be the dictator, under contracts, of those who decide to subject themselves to my decisions? Perhaps you're arguing I cannot have control over industry and commerce within my private property?

Which one is your argument exactly? What attribute of fascism prevents it from not being able to be developed inside someone's private property? Be concrete this time please.

>>130713131
It would be run like uber or airbnb, for example

>5/5stars autopsy, would do it again, totally recommended.

>>130713428
I'm arguing that fascism is not compatible with libertarianism. What are you arguing?

Fascism doesn't care about your contracts or your NAP.

>>130713428
>Perhaps you're arguing I cannot have control over industry and commerce within my private property?
Not under fascism you can't.

>>130713215
Oh no I need a strong central government to protect me from the fictional boogymen. Sombody with a flag and a uniform is the only way I can be safe! I dunno, maybe it's for the best that Lord Humongous kills your leaf ass and takes your women if you're so ready to submit to some made up state authoroty figure just because he gives you promises of security.

>>130713813
Ok m8, whenever I have a doubt about whether something is compatible or not I will consult you, seems like you're the authority of compatibility given that you don't seem the need to provide arguments, only statements like if they were factual.

>>130713933
>Be me
>Live in ancap society
>Sell houses in a community where people accept my contractual signed rules
>One of those rules is that I can control what is sold within my premises
>People accept because they are fascists and they want a fascist-like run community
>Profit

>>130697948
>Most people won't eat poison, they're not completely retarded
I take it you're not an American? Because I see people eating, drinking, and smoking poison on the regular and they're happy to do it

>>130714229
You still don't understand what fascist means do you?

Your little anarchist society isn't going to last long if fascists start gaining power.

Look what happened in Spain when Franco took power.

>>130694609
Anarcho capitalism is just capitalism except its more open about how it's going to exploit you.

We have osha now but if you file a complaint and the company swaps out the faulty equipment before the inspector arrives to see it then that's a fine and jail time. Kinda hard to file a complaint when your under penalty of perjury.

The point is it would be no different than regular capitalism just with a new owner class.

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>>130702202
>"OK yeah you may die from heavy metal poisoning when you eat your breakfast cereal, but hey, at least your Breakfast Cereal Heavy Metal Poisoning Life Insurance™ will pay for your funeral!"

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>>130713074
Straw men are fun annon, no need to over think it.

>be woman in ancap paradise.
>have period
>forced to go to store by capitalism to pay for my own sanitary napkins.
>clerk sees that I am a gurl because capitalism forces me to adhere to gender roles when purchasing tampons and shampoo. Also I must pay to haz it.
>clerk raeps me because discriminate and no state to halp stop.

>why won't you pay for my tampons annon?

>>130715200
>Implying that doesn't happen under the state just as much if not more.

How would companies be able to do this and keep themselves in business? All the compensations to pay, all those people complaining, the boycotting, you don't run a business, do you?

>>130714754

Ah, so we kill them or prevent them from peaceful free association, gotcha. That's your idea of what libertarianism means?

>>130715598
Businesses are already caught all the fucking time putting shady chemicals and additives into their foods. And guess what? People generally don't care. Aspartame has been known to be terrible for you for years now, yet millions of people still chug diet soda by the liter. If they can do it now, how the fuck do you expect LESS regulations to fix this issue?

>>130714754
By the way, do you know what happened under Franco? Because I do.

Leftists were burning churches with people inside, leftists threatened with not accepting the democratic results if the right won, this was all under right wing democratically elected party in power.

You know why all this shit happens? Because leftists and right wingers could not dissociate. They had to live with each other even if they hated their guts, they had to accept being ruled by whoever won even if that meant 50% of the population hating every single law being pushed onto them.

This doesn't happen with private property, so please, do yourself an intellectual favor and try to contextualize.

>>130715598
>peaceful
>fascism
I'm sure those fascists will be content with voluntary association and not try to seize power or anything. If there's one thing fascists believe in, it's personal freedom right?

I'm genuinely laughing at your naivety anon but I urge you to educate yourself on what fascism is. Libertarianism too while you're at it.

>>130694609
any anarchist is a bad anarchist

>>130715937
Simple. Buy aspartame insurance.

>>130715937
Because the paradigm would change, people would be, in general, more cautious about the food they consume, companies controlling food quality would become incredibly relevant and important in society, and these companies would do a much better job at staying with the scientific researches, instead of falling into dumb panic such as some governments with GMO's.

>>130716261
That's when you get the helicopters, if they try to force their shit upon the non willing. Don't know what makes you think that they will be able to beat the capitalists this time. History doesn't seem to agree with you.

>>130715200
>Cereal Heavy Metal Poisoning
It's so hilarious how people can't attack ancap positions whithout being hyperbolic.

How did the heavy metal get in the breakfast cereal? Who cares? ANCAP BTFO. Why stop at heavy metals? Why not cyclon B in the cereal? Obviously whithout the benevolent state there would be poison in every cereal and everybody would buy it and eat it because there would be no state to tell them not to.

>>130694609
OP's story explains exactly whi anarcho capitalism is perfect, all subhumans would quickly die and stop reproducing, in one or two generations the world would be incredibly advanced and we would probably be colonizing mars

>>130695801
I remember hearing this when bitcoin was just a dollar

>>130716591
What metric are you using to judge that the paradigm would shift? How do you know that at all? You're arguing 100% off of assumption

>>130716261
>I'm sure those fascists will be content with voluntary association and not try to seize power or anything. If there's one thing fascists believe in, it's personal freedom right?
the definiton has been warped to the point that someone wanting niggers out of his store, is a fascist
so yes, fascist WOULD be content with voluntary association, because that means DISASSOCIATION

>>130716591
Pinochet was a fascist you idiot.

You'll be the ones thrown out of helicopters when fascism takes over.

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>>130712344
Digits have confirmed

>>130716969
How many times do I have to explain that fascism isn't about hating minorities?

Fascism is about subjugation of the people by the state

>>130694609
Youre so retarded in your fantasy story that you couldn't even teach your daughter to read and write? Once someone can read and write they can teach themselves or be taught anything, retard. It's that easy.

>>130716936
Because companies don't want people dying after consuming their products. Not because they care for you, but because they care for their pockets.

Are you seriously claiming people would just eat anything they find without the state? You said it yourself, plenty of reasons to be more cautious, more cautious -> more control.

Also, do you think supermarkets won't force food companies to test their products? Do you think nobody in the chain will have an incentive towards making sure people don't die?

>>130716988
Pinochet got the money for helicopters and his war thanks to a Capitalist country. Without it, he would have been an angry spic. Money wins wars, and capitalists always have more money.

>>130716936
btw, your posts are 100% assumption too, but at least mine make sense from a praxeologic perspective.

>>130716988
No, the market will respond. Communists became a problem and they were physically removed. If the facists become a problem then they will be too. The free market has no allegiances to left or right. That's why leftists fear it so much.

>>130717570
Do you think that capitalism and fascism are mutually exclusive?

Why do you think the US supported a fascist dictator in the first place?

>>130717839
You think "the market" is going to round up and execute people?

This is some next level retardation.

>>130717570
>>130717708
I'm arguing on a real-world, already existent basis. Companies already try to fuck over their consumers for extra profit. The phenomenon has been shown to be true in real life. Your entire argument is conjecture because you have no definitive proof any of these things would actually happen, it's just something you THINK would happen

>>130716708
>bitcoin is doing fine, why wouldn't complete anarchy achieve the same?

>>130718127
You're arguing from a statist perspective of a statist world, you're trying to remove the state from that equation but somehow you think nothing would change in the way people behave. That's praxeologicaly lazy, when not completely out of touch with any kind of market incentive.

>>130717883
They supported him because commies are worse.

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>>130694609
>no internet because companies were never funded so it wasn't developed
The internet was invented by Al Gore, stupid.

>>130718579
Maybe peoples' behavior would change, but to think you can predict exactly what that change would be without referencing any real-life examples is completely asinine. And that's what you're trying to do right now

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>>130718579
They supported him because he was a capitalist and they were at war with communist Russia.

Don't kid yourself though, Pinochet would have thrown you out of a helicopter for even suggesting that people should have the freedom to do the things you suggest.

>>130718579
You may be one of the dumbest cunts I've seen on this board.

The United States had its greatest economic growth when it was virtually an anarcho-capitalist system. Aside from tariffs, there wasn't any taxation. Laws and law enforcement was minimal, and in many areas of the West, was handled by settlers themselves - usually quite swiftly, leading to very minimal crime. Most children were quite literate - probably more than now.

Not sure why people look at AnCap and think it will be run by a handful of Megacorporations. Companies don't really get that big unless they're backed by central banks, and governments to provide regulatory capture - which ultimately reduces or nullifies their competition.

>>130718996
Damn, perfectly explained the point I was trying to make with that image. Thanks anon

>>130718102
Well yeah it happened. The market is just what people are willing to pay. People could have stopped it but they didn't, because it was not in their intrest to do so. If the market demanded communists then they would have not removed them.

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>>130718933
It's hard to predict, but you're also predicting, you're predicting a catastrophic laziness and people ignoring completely the fact that daddy state is not there to protect them from eating shit and fapping to traps.

I'm predicting that at least the people who deserve to keep living will smart up, based on those areas where the state intervention is not as present, being relatively safe compared to the chaos situation you describe.

Which state regulation (other than the NAP) do you need to protect you against most scenarios?

>>130719174
And you may be mad you cannot compete intellectually, so you throw insults. Try to argue or get lost, brainlet.

>>130719051
I never said he wouldn't. I said we would use them. Pinochet doesn't have a copyright over throwing undesirables from helicopters. And I don't believe in copyright anyway.

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>>130719932
Yeah but I'm actually not predicting anything, I'm just using how people already act as a baseline. The burden of proof is on you because you are the one positing that their behavior will change in the first place.

>>130720327
kek

How would a ancap society deal with roads?

>When your ideology is so flawed that you can only answer to a legit question with memes

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>>130694609
No sympathy for antichrist worshiping roaches. Reap what you sow faggot.

>>130720349
Im not saying their behavior will change, I'm saying their behavior patterns, that you can already see in other fields, will expand.

If you told me all the floor is lava, and I told you people would try to find safe places, would you claim that the burden of proof is on me? Would you claim that saying that people will stay static is not predicting?

And you're trying to corner me with the fact that we don't have evidence on what would happen if the floor was lava, well, yeah, we don't, this is all conjecture until then, so fucking what?

The idea of societies without slavery was also conjecture until some society decided to try, didn't prevent people from arguing whether or not societies without slavery would succeed.

>>130720530
Do you faggots have an argument or are you just going to circle jerk with your favorite straw men?

>>130719174
Not an argument.

>>130720530

Numerous possible ways - though your question assumes that roads are the answer to travel in the future.

A lot of Homeowner Associations in America already build and maintain the roads for their area of operation. This is also true of a number of business/industrial parks. If the government wasn't paying for roads between homes and businesses, and everywhere else, it's quite reasonable to assume that these associations would spring for roads between their locations, as residents require the ability to get to work, and businesses need employees and customers. This would be a wise investment for both groups. Otherwise, connecting roads could be handled by another party interested in gaining tolls. It's not like roads can only be ordered by a politician or something.

>>130720836
Reasoning that people will seek safe places if the floor was lava is not analogous to reasoning that people will not kill themselves by eating poor quality food. The floor being lava is a lot more dangerous and directly apparent than poisonous additives that kill you over time. Now you're beginning to realize that your entire argument is conjecture, which is not a good method for picking the best system of government.

>>130720848
>Do you faggots have an argument
I clearly presented my argument.

How would a ancap society deal with roads?

>>130721308
>A lot of Homeowner Associations in America already build and maintain the roads for their area of operation.

Maintaining a couple of roads within a public road system != full private road system.

That is like saying private education is better because a school that is able to cherrypick it's students has better results then a school who has literal retards.

It's a dimwitted thing to say.

> If the government wasn't paying for roads between homes and businesses, and everywhere else, it's quite reasonable to assume that these associations would spring for roads between their locations, as residents require the ability to get to work, and businesses need employees and customers. This would be a wise investment for both groups. Otherwise, connecting roads could be handled by another party interested in gaining tolls. It's not like roads can only be ordered by a politician or something.
So you are saying that in a ancap society everytime someone needs to use a road they have to either build it or pay a tool.

Now tell me why is this preferable in any way when compared to our current system?

>>130721423
>The floor being lava is a lot more dangerous and directly apparent than poisonous additives that kill you over time

Additives killing people over time, if that was the cause of deaths and could be demonstrated, would line up a perfect class suit which would ruin the company. So again, tell me, how do companies have incentives for such practices, if not thanks to the state intervention and limited liability that the state promotes?

And I already explained plenty of incentives towards protecting people's food, you cannot just claim I'm making shit up because it's conjecture, we all have abstract thinking here, tell me why those ideas won't happen.

>which is not a good method for picking the best system of government.
Not an argument. This is like saying we've reached the pinnacle of civilization, I disagree.

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>>130718127
The government doesn't protect people against getting fucked by corporations, it protects a specific subset of people from getting fucked.

America no longer tolerates fucking factory workers in the ass. So companies move their factories to places where assholes are puckered and unlubed, and replace our factories with assholes that never get sore - robots. Capital flows into those countries until they can afford lube and eventually clench their assholes tight, and then corporations find other countries to plow. People are still getting fucked regardless of whether or not a state exists.

In a stateless, anarcho-capitalist society, there would be no incentive to fuck one area more than another. Everyone would be evenly fucked. Why should we coddle those who can't take a dicking?

>>130722034
>would line up a perfect class suit which would ruin the company.
Proving that something in your diet is causing something is incredibly hard. That is why nutrition is filled with contradictory studies.

> how do companies have incentives for such practices
cutting costs.

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>>130722169
>you signed to respect property and life

wew lad

>>130722034
You are grossly oversimplifying the situation by saying "muh profit incentive lel" What if a company puts dangerous chemicals in their products to cut costs and then bribes other companies to prevent people from finding out? What if a chemical is not realized by the public to be dangerous until thousands of people have already died? What if a company buys out all the media and pushes a narrative that the chemical is actually good for you when it's bad for you? What if a company colludes with local research companies to publish fake studies that show their chemicals are OK to consume when they're not? There are so many fucking ways the system can go awry, I could keep coming up with these examples all day long.

>>130721963

When you have enough connections between private associations and/or individuals, it can indeed become a full private road system.

>So you are saying that in a ancap society everytime someone needs to use a road they have to either build it or pay a tool.

It's basically what we have now, you know, except there's less waste. No more bridges to nowhere, or tearing up already well-maintained roads for maintenance, because some politician wants to bribe some construction company and their workers for votes and campaign contributions. No more handing of contracts to shady brothers-in-law who don't actually do the work. No more putting debt on future children to pay for unnecessary shit. People instead pay what's necessary and most desirable.

>>130722564
>Proving that something in your diet is causing something is incredibly hard. That is why nutrition is filled with contradictory studies.

If you cannot prove it then there's no crime. Innocent until proven otherwise still applies here.

>cutting costs.

I just wrote it, being a criminal costs more money in the end.

>>130722990

Let's say that amazon starts expanding their idea of smart supermarkets everywhere, let's say that, like online, they begin dominating offline too. Let's say that amazon sells a product by X company and someone dies because of said product, how long before Amazon starts forcing whoever wants to sell products in their supermarket to have this quality control seal of approval, or they can fuck off?

The free market is the best at regulating, and this is not conjecture.

>>130723032
>When you have enough connections between private associations and/or individuals, it can indeed become a full private road system.
What are you even trying to say? What do you think a "full private road system" is?

>>130723248
I can just as easily make up an equally plausible scenario where somebody dies from the product and then the company bribes media companies to prevent news of it from spreading, thus not having to deal with the backlash of killing them. This is exactly how you are arguing right now

>>130723588

A road system developed and paid for by non-governmental entities. As in the term "private sector". What do you think it is?

>>130723635
>I can just as easily make up an equally plausible scenario where somebody dies from the product and then the company bribes media companies to prevent news of it from spreading

Not equally plausible, as it only takes 1 media outlet to get the story out. Plenty of interest in denouncing big fishes, plenty of people interested in funding, with unlimited resources whatever can destroy Amazon.

I'm arguing about self-interest, and I'm doing so from the perspective of owning a business and knowing that no matter how much I'd like to cut corners, killing customers will never be good practice.

>>130694609
>only 9 hours of work
What utopia do you live in?

>>130724125
See now we are arguing in theoretical land where it's impossible to be correct because you can keep making shit up until you're right, this is why it's impossible to actually argue with anarcho capitalists

>>130723635

You're describing what's happening right now.

If there's a free market, do you think trust would be valued in media? Most people don't willingly pay to be lied to - and eventually the truth would surface.

It's a bit of a different dynamic when you have a central bank controlling the message via 6 companies, and the regulatory power to quash incoming competition via a federal government.

>>130723248
>If you cannot prove it
You can indeed prove it. But sometimes it takes years and years of testing, of data analysis, to be able to reach to a solid conclusion.

It's wishfull thinking to claim that private individuals in a ancap society would devote years of their life and millions of dollars to test if certain chemical is indeed dangerous when the vast majority of consumers today can't be bothered to read the label

And let's not forget that in a ancap society there was nothing protecting the investigative private citizen from harm

>I just wrote it, being a criminal costs more money in the end.

Because the state usually destroys them.

>>130724390
We're arguing to see who comes up with more plausible situations. I demonstrated yours unlikely with little effort, you're yet to do the same with the dozen of hypothesis I posted.

>>130724567
Well, if you can prove it, I'm sure plenty of people will be interested in funding your legal costs. After all, who wouldn't like to destroy a competitor?

>>130724390

People and markets operate on incentives. It's not theory. If all the other media companies were taking a heavy bribe on a subject, you could easily amass a broader audience by telling the truth and exposing the corruption of the other companies.

>>130724550
>Most people don't willingly pay to be lied to
>and eventually the truth would surface.
Oh my sweet summer child....
>>130723915
And concrete examples of such a system do you have?

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>mfw statists cannot come up with counter to AnCap arguments so they ask for proof

Why don't we try it? Vote for parties that will decentralize your states, that will show you proof.

>>130724594
OK so then I'll present a situation where all media companies are bought up by one gigantic media conglomerate that controls all news. Now let's say the company and the conglomerate decide to work together behind closed doors so they can both make more profit. The media falsely presents the company's products as healthy and the company gives the media a cut of their profit in return. You can't disprove my scenario because I'm not arguing using facts, I'm arguing on conjecture, just like you

>>130724792
>Well, if you can prove it
The thing is, you don't know until after the tests were done.

>I'm sure plenty of people will be interested in funding your legal costs.

lol, more wishful thinking.

>After all, who wouldn't like to destroy a competitor?
Most of the times the whole market uses certain product, so it would be in their interest to prevent such study from surfacing.

>>130724390
The state is the ultimate corporation. It has a monopoly on force, and access to virtually unlimited funds to bribe and control people.

Yet during the Vietnam war, even with the limited scope of media, even with the government trying to keep everything under wraps, news of death and atrocity reached the states and spurred people to call for an end to the war.

Yet you're arguing that a corporation, in an age where literally anyone with internet access can broadcast information to anyone else with internet access, could bribe everyone who could possibly know about their shady dealings and prevent a story from breaking loose?

>>130725364
As the other anon said, that opens the lucrative possibility of releasing a different media outlet that tells the truth and acquires the market easily.

>>130725406
>I'm sure plenty of people will be interested in funding your legal costs.
>lol, more wishful thinking.

Nothing wishful about it, plenty of examples.

>Most of the times the whole market uses certain product, so it would be in their interest to prevent such study from surfacing.

And this is not wishful thinking?

Most of the times there's more incentive in destroying your competition than in colluding with them.

Anyway, heading to bed, if you're curious about ancap or want to debate me another day, check out the /lrg threads, I'm the maltese anon there.

Cheers.

>>130725865
What the fuck are you talking about, mate? A massively powerful media conglomerate has presumably gathered enough power that they can instantly quash any startup media company. If you think that isn't possible you're a fucking loon

Say you owned a big evil pharmaceutical company, why would you invest in research and development, if every other company is just going to copy your formula as soon as you release it.

>>130694609
Shut up you mudslime goat fucker, worshipper of mohammed, piss be up in him.

>>130726111

Ok, describe how it would, in a highly competitive environment, amass all the market share. Then, describe how it would be able to quash competition at will.

If you haven't noticed, we have a similar situation in the US today - with the media conglomerates all pretty much hammering out their same talking points. But, nobody trusts them - hence the rise of alternative media.

Would you rather be a competitor to the larger companies if you knew a government would try to silence you, or not?

>>130727047
OK, it starts out with people liking that media outlet more for whatever reason so they edge out competition. Then, since they are bigger, richer, and more powerful than other media companies, they buy out one of their competitors. This makes them grow FAR larger than any existing media company, so they just continue buying out businesses and continue to grow until they own all competition. By this point, they have enough money and influence to crush anybody else who wants to enter the market. There are millions of ways to impose barriers against entering a market, that's how they quash any new startups.

>>130726117

Companies can keep the lid on their trade secrets. Coca Cola, for instance, never patented their recipe - they just keep it in a vault. Quite frankly, if you do a little research, you'll find that the US Patent system has, at times, operated as a tool for intellectual property theft - and patents have been granted to people that were not their original inventors. People like Edison.

>>130727542

And the people in your scenario have no idea that this one company is buying out all the competition? Perhaps getting a little skeptical? Maybe moving to a different source? Perhaps they invest in your competition, raising the share prices to gain a huge profit when you attempt to buy them out?

When you study market movements, you find that companies acquiring smaller companies doesn't automatically equate to more market share - and market share can drastically swing on a dime. For a short while, Apple had pretty much a monopoly on smart phones. Then, Google came in and now has the majority. Do you think Google could buy Apple out? Even with their vast resources, they could not.

Today, with giant central banks that exist to consolidate power, it's a lot easier for companies to grow large. They just borrow a crapton, and buy out their small competition. Without a central bank that can just print money, this is a bit harder to accomplish.

Take a look at Amazon. Their online store loses money year over year, trying to gain market share. Yet, they still have competitors. Billions upon billions lost, and they still have competition, big and small.

It's not a likely scenario in a truly free market society. Nor is the ability to just "quash" people, which requires a regulative body to do so (government).

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>>130694609
I see you've never provided a product or service in the market.

What is a customer?

What is competition?

What is not being a faggot?

>>130729270
What stops a company from hiring a privatized military to quash their competition then, instead? Or developing virus software that infects and destroys their competition? Or doing literally a million things else to quash their competition? Doesn't necessarily have to involve buying

>>130730521

Do you think that customers would appreciate a company that did such things, and gladly give them money?

>>130730881
Say they do it through proxy, then. Or even say they collude with media companies to paint a false narrative. There are ways to confuse the public, believe me

>>130694609
why would you work at a job unless they paid you what you wanted? Don´t work for others take care of yourself. Mega corps only have the power you give them so vote wisely with your wallet. Why don´t you have coverage are you a nigger?

>>130731087

And all those people to pay off to stay silent, and do the dirty work. Kind of a costly proposition, and very risky if discovered. Yet, right now you have a situation where these companies can get rid of smaller competitors through armies that aren't even necessarily paid for by them.

So, here you're arguing against the possibility of implementing a system because it may allow something that your current system is already doing at your very own expense.

>>130732505
Fair enough, let's pivot off of that topic and let me ask you how you prevent a company from obtaining a monopoly on force and then forming their own central government in an ancap society

>>130733325

It would probably be more of a fitting question to ask how a company would obtain a monopoly of force within a free society that believes in the non-aggression principle. How do they amass that many people that want to control others in such a society? How do they get the funding for all the armaments necessary to do so? How do they get all the people to agree to live under this government, when the people can easily resist such a thing?

In the US, not even the government has a true monopoly on force. States have their own force - and the Federal government has theirs. The people have theirs as well - and if the Federal government tried to cancel out the will of the States and the people, and attain a true monopoly on force, they would have their ass handed to them in very short order.

>>130735045
Culture changes, it's not guaranteed that the population would believe in a non-aggression principle forever

>>130735584

One can also say that about monarchy, republics, communist dictatorships, and what have you.

The resistance to moving towards governmental systems in a free and voluntary society is through proper parenting, education, and extolling proper virtues like personal responsibility, achievement, integrity, and of course things like the NAP. The stronger the individual, the less likely they are to want such a thing as a government - so people, in order to maintain a free society, should focus on creating strong people. Conversely, if you want sheep to be ruled, you inject poison that counteracts this. Truly intelligent, moral, and accomplished people would realize this is extraordinarily counterproductive.

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>>130697948
>Even without food regulations most people won't eat poison, they're not completely retarded, nothing much else too it (also a free market system would have people trying to produce the cheapest, and safest food possible) since someone dieing from your product would be terrible for your brand name
>t. US history illiterate

Read this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

Fuckers packaging meat would literally pick it back up if it fell on the floor

>>130720349
How did people live in tribal times? (Use neanderthal tribes)
Did no one work and was everyone fat and lazy and just received everything?

>>130724993
You deflected the road question. His point was that multiple parts make a whole and you dispute that

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>>130724594
>Ancaps literally think a functioning state without a government is possible
>Now let us lecture you on plausibility

>>130735584
The assumption made is that we live in a homogenous culture of nonviolent people. Basically Nordic countries from 1700-2010. The missing component is identified: culture, and so we must look realistically and in recent history to discover the best place for Ancapistan.

>>130738300
>state
>ancap
You completely missed the point of the whole thing. How? It's literally in the name. It's like trying to argue against capitalism in a fully communist society

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>>130694609

>Implying everything wouldn't be insanely efficient to the point that you barely need to work to afford food/water/shelter/

Anyone that couldn't hack it in such a society or isn't loved enough to receive charity from friends, relatives or other community supporters is shit anyway.

>>130695801
Then let's have limited government instead. Fuck taxes.