How will Euro/pol/ fare against the Climate Change™ Watergeddon™?

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>>130646666
In thousands of years

>>130646666
Looks like we'll be just fine. A few nice old towns on the coast lost, but plenty of land and fresh water to go around.

>>130646666
>Londonistan, Berlin and half of Sweden underwater

So THIS is why (((they))) want to stop climate change...it is the savior of the white race.

>>130646666
>stockholm gone
>malmö gone
>denmark even smaller

kek

>>130646666

Norway is actually rising out of the sea faster than the water level will rise

>>130646666
I live close to the Norway border so no effect here

>>130646666
Very good, my mountains and sheer force of will will keep me afloat!

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I'm sure there will be floating cities by then

>>130646666
It's pretty easy: we'll simply build cold-fusion reactors with the power of all the slaves who've willingly come to work under us, and then either build some massive spacecrafts or simply take over swedistan.

>>130646850
>croatia will stay the same
kek

>>130647905
isnt that just venice?

>>130646666
Well Satan, the Dutch will just build bigger dykes and reclaim more land, eventually controlling all the land lost to sea level rise, propelling them to super-power status, leading to the Dutch-American War for Global Hegemony.

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>>130646666
>implying water actually will rise, oh please

>>130647290
>malmö gone
let the problem fix itself

>>130646666
Danes BTFO

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>>130646666
Well, I guess I better buy a boat, then.

>>130646666
Completely unaffected, thasks for asking, Supersatan.

the dutch will fix it

>>130648201
and Venice got what they deserve for stealing our coast.

>>130646666
>Sweden becomes one giant mountain top
I'm ok with this.

>>130647431
Same for Finland. Finland and Sweden are supposed to have land connected at the narrow part in the middle, Kvarken, in 2000 years.

Even the Dutch will survive. Just build taller dams for fucks sake.

>>130648615
Wasn't it so that the ice on the south pole is increasing?

>>130648642
cant you russians dig a massive hole in the tundra, and make it so all the water that rises over the current sealevel pours into the hole. Make it big enough for the estimated amount of water that will come out of the melted ice. Boom, problem solved

what's the negative here?
even non-country dissapears

>>130648753
exactly, no denmark, no stockholm, no scania. This is a dream!

>>130648744
that'll probably help, but

>helping enemies
lol

Start growing pinapples in Poland?

>>130648821
Cmon putin we will give you gotland if you do this

>>130646666
I really dont care

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>>130648660
posejdon is with us

can someone explain to me how the fuck greece is basicly unaffected by this? they are by the fucking coast

>>130648753
but what about Aland?

>>130648974
1 word
MOUNTAINS

>>130648996
Åland is just a retarded tumor inbetween sweden and finland, they cant decide on who their masters are, so let them drown. One less island to defend in a future war

>>130648974
>American education

>>130646850

>Venice, gone
>Netherlands, gone

Implying Venice won't be some floating city, and that the Dutch won't continue to fight back the sea even if they're a mile below risen sea level.

>>130648879
Poseidon is a Croat btw, i just noticed it says a thousand years , we will have a nuclear apocalypse before that (or euroarabia) so why even care lol.

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>>130648974

>>130649095
fucking Netherlands is just a shitty new world softdrink anyway, the only thing they gave the world was difficult to understand languages

>>130649171
well shit then, why even bother

>>130646666
sounds fine, i will finally live near the sea as i wanted

daily reminder that the last time Earth had the present temperature, sea level was 6 to 9m higher than today and fluctuated rapidly with multimeter changes within several decades

>>130649300
the ice was melting either way, our fucking fault for forward settling by the fucking coast

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>>130648974
wow you're dense

>>130649274
dis

Eh. Worst could happen

>>130646666
honestly its fucking great, i see climate changing for years in poland, it will be warm and nice in here

>>130646850
not necessarily. The slow rise of the seas over long periods is posited by those who don't understand the physics. A tipping point will be met - say a breach in the west antarctic ice shelf, which results in massive ice movement into the ocean, which could take only a few years. rise in global sea level - 6 to 10 meters in a that time. this could happen at any time in the next few decades.

the official IPCC position of slow increase in warming, with gradual change in levels and climate, is just bullshit - and the scientists know it. if you talk to them in private they are all now talking about rapid catastrophic change - but they don't want to go public because they will be accused of scaremongering.

bad situation when the EXXON propaganda machine has made scientists scared to tell the truth...

>>130647431
nope. Not true.

>>130646666
Short distance to the beech would be very nice!

>>130649638
>few years. rise in global sea level - 6 to 10 meters
That is how it historically happened.

>>130646666
Gr8

>>130648675
>Just build taller dams for fucks sake.
you are not an engineer are you? and have no idea about the costs of those projects? and don't have a clue about the increased energy of storms in a warmer global climate system?

thought not.

>>130648427
I want to see the dutch take over the world with giant lesbians

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>>130649208

>>130649267
>>130649171
slovenci dobivaju otvoreno more,a talijani gube pretenzije na hrv. obalu,prelijepo.vuk sit a ovce na broju

>>130648744
when the permafrost is melting, releasing tons of methane, an even more efficient greenhouse gas then CO2.... you really have no idea about the dangers of climate change do you?

>denmark underwater

I can live with it.

>>130649095
are there any real world plans to float Venice? really?

you have been reading too much bad sci fi...

>>130649897
do actually believe that shit holy fuck you are one stupid little faguette

>>130649766
indeed - pity these idiots don't understand that.

still, it will be a jolt to the system and when it happens all the deniers will be overthrown. Hopefully also shot for crimes against humanity...

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>>130649638
you're right in pointing out that sea level projections by the IPCC are too conservative (they basically corrected SLR by 2100 upward in almost every AR)

the leading French glaciologist Eric Rignot, who works for NASA JPL says that Thwaites, Pine Island and Smith are already irreversibly lost and may trigger the marine ice sheet instability for the WAIS, but he says this will take on the order of centuries, not "only a few years".

What is however concerning is that the mass loss from the Greenland ice sheet, just as the Arctic sea ice extent, is speeding up with time and has almost overtaken the mass loss by the global GIC, which glaciologists didn't expect until the middle of the century

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Leaf here.

Anyone else ready for more biodiversity / interesting flora and fauna and almost year-round greenery?

I can't wait for climate change.

>>130650028
You don't believe in physics and chemistry? well aren't you just special now.

I suppose your computer works by little pixies inside passing notes on parchment to each other...

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>>130650180
I don't know about me, but you definitely are

>>130649897
co2 is plantfood, stupid frog

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>>130646666
Oy vey goyims. Donate to my paypal or Europe will look like this if i don't get money to save Europe

>>130650172
I have heard talk of Greenland going in a few decades - they are really worried about water pooling below the ice, deep melt holes and the rapid movement of sheet ice to the shoreline. If greenland melts we get one or two meters rise I think.
Rignot may be right - but I have heard others say he is optimistic. There are deep melt holes tunneling into the WAIS now, and no one knows how fast the breakdown could go. Look at the Ross breakups - no-one predicted them ten years ago, people were talking about next century....

>>130650237
you dont "believe" science, you understand it, dipshit.

>>130650465
and uranium is natural too, why don't you eat some?

You do know that to re-absorb the C)2 we are releasing by burning fossil fuels you would need to plant the entire surface of the earth with something like Giant Redwoods?

the plants won't save us. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and you know it.

(or should)

>>130646850
Now
>Drive 600km to denmark for summer holidays
Then
>Drive 100km to lower saxony to dive into the now almost tropical ocean
Noice

>>130650718
>goes to denmark for summer holidays
thats depressing

>>130649794
Why would I have to be an engineer to understand that building taller dams would keep the water away? No matter how much it would cost, it's cheaper than letting the sea flood the whole country. Easy choice.

You are not going to stop water levels from raising by building windmills retard.

>>130650616
Actually, as any scientist will tell you, you do believe it.

You may even calim to know something because of it, but knowledge requires belief (you can't know something unless you also believe it to be true)

Belief is fundamental to science. And to the scientific method. But with that belief must also be a preparedness to have that belief questioned, and to change your beliefs.

To understand requires belief first, and in understanding we have that belief confirmed and strengthened.

But clearly the person to whom I was replying neither believes nor understands.

>>130650817
It's nice. I can escape the hellhole that is southern hesse in the summer and get to enjoy temperatures below 30°

>>130650969
Plus, no niggers and mudslimes

>>130649897
What it's gonna release is ancient anthrax, russia btfo

>>130646666
>implying we can't just build a big ass dam

>>130646666
>Stockholm, London, Belgium, northern Germany lost

How is this bad

>>130646666
>Croatia only gains MORE islands.
>Holland and Belgiium cease to exist.
>A majority of Swedish and British urban areas that are infested with muslims get flooded.
>Russia gets more warm-water ports and Central Asia gets some rain for a change of pace so now they get nice agriculture as well.
>Iraq gets flushed down the toiled.

Post the rest of the world.
I think climate change might actually be a good thing for once.

>>130651166
especially what with all the dead niggers and all

>>130650525
the speed of ice sheet disintegration largely depends on how large of a forcing you apply to the climate. The most rapid rate of sea level rise known in the geologic record comes from the end of the last glaciation and had a rate of about 0.5 m/decade (and that came mostly from the Laurentide ice sheet)

A complete melting of the Greenland ice sheet within several decades just doesn't sound plausible to me. The ice sheet is about 3km thick and is above sea-level. Maybe you can post something but I'm not aware of any expert or published paper that proposes the collapse of Greenland on a decade scale.

>>130649208moren a
Dutch isn't even hard, I understand like one third of their movies without subs despite having never learned the language

>>130646666
Hey seems fine to me, we'll just move a bit inward, not really a big deal, there's a lot of Empty space in France anyway.

>>130650881
Question: how much is the pressure increase caused by a 6m or 10m rise in water? How big a dam do you need to build? You can easily contain a 10cm head of water. to contain a 1m head you need more than just a ten times taller wall, you need it to be wider and made of stronger materials. now double that height and add in larger storm surges and higher wave heights - you are basically building a cliff face for storms to batter. it isn't just a matter of piling on a few more sandbags, it is a an enormous project to build a huge dam a thousand miles long. it makes trumps stupid Wall look like a kid's sandcastle. The cost would be more than Holland could ever afford, and the consequences of any failure would be unthinkable.

the engineering challenge is stupendous.

I wouldn't want to live under that dam...

but hey call me a retard, you obviously knew all that and think it is easy to overcome with your genius level intelligence and endless supply of money

>>130646666
Looks much nicer imo. I might even get a beach in my hometown.

>>130651166
idiot who thinks the Muslims won't move to the dry land along with everyone else, making it more crowded and close packed....

please at least try to look intelligent.

>>130646666
I would get a beach just a few cilometres from my hometown, I would totally love it.
Just too bad that Hamburg would drown while bavaria is allowed to exist anyway

>>130650282
Why is that in HUN?

>>130651336
>implying we wouldn't just do it out of sheer necessity

If chinks can build a hunderds of miles long stone wall hundreds of years ago, Europeans today can build a fucking dam to keep 6 to 10 meters of water out

>>130646666
Way to go with them digits based Hellenian!

I'm ok with this map
>Degenerate cities drown
>If Finland can't have Karelia, no one can have it!
>No tears for EU-Brussels

>>130651336
So what alternative do the Dutch have realistically? Assuming we don't live in a fantasy world where 100% of all countries would suddenly get persuaded by the thought that Netherlands doesn't exist in 1000 years.

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>>130651481
Fixed. now I got beachfront property too, Anon

>>130649676

It's true for Norway (or 95% of it at least).
It's because the ice cap pushed the landmass down during the last ice age (it's still rising because of it).

It's a fact.

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>Holland will build dams?
Who's gonna build a dam, the grave digger?

>>130651259
I am not a climate scientist - but i do hang out with a few sometimes. maybe it is just late night pessimism and drink talking, but none of them are optimists about this stuff. I heard them talking about Greenland last year - that sinkholes in the ice miles inland were drilling down to the rock level, then flowing out under the sheet - that it was lubricating the underside of the sheet and the glaciers were expected to break down very fast. with the pressure released from the glacier ends they were speculating about massively increased flow rates to replace them, and similar melt and slide fast calving. maybe I got it wrong, but they were talking about massive ice loss very rapidly, with reduced albedo for the ice cap area, and the rock warming to speed things up. My understanding was that a tipping point may be reached and we could see huge sea level rises in a a few decades.

Even if the process does not start for a few decades, it is possibly within our lifetimes that we will see substantial rises...

If it does not happen, I would be happy. But if it can happen, then the idiots saying it will never happen need to be told they are idiots and ignored.

>>130646666
I live near the coast. Without reference points I can't see exactly if I'd drown, wet my feet or stay in dry land. There would be probably lots of refugees from the nearest big coastal city, though.

>>130647290
We'll just annex you again before that happens

>>130646666

This could be a gold mine for the export of Norwegian rocks!

>>130651996
>We'll just annex you again

>again

Denmark never annexed Norway.

>>130652059
>Danish rocks
ftfy

>>130651516
but it isn't just 6 to ten meters - it is six to ten plus the level already there - so in places it is twenty meters of water or more. That is a hell of a dam to build a thousand miles long.

but fortunately you have unlimited money and super duper engineering skills, so we are all saved. (even though you don't understand that it is not just a 10 meter dam...)

>>130652122
You were as close to annexed as it could get then

>>130646666
>what are dikes

>>130651565
none. They will either have to pony up for a trillions of euro engineering project and keep their fingers crossed, or move. Just like the millions of other people. You don't think bangladesh will be able to do that do you? 100 million bangladeshi will be on the march. Along with the people of Bordeaux and Biarritz.


I think it more likely that they will build a wall around London than that they will build a new wall around all of the Netherlands...

>>130651635
it is rising at a fraction of a centimeter a year. The water will rise much faster than that.

fact.

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>>130651888
you're right about all that (these meltwater sinkholes are called "moulins" by the way) but the conclusion that a large chunk of Greenland could go within a few decades doesn't follow. The thermal inertia of big ice sheets is much too great for a complete collapse to happen in that short a time. You would look at a century timescale for this to take place.

I highly recommend you look at this very enlightening talk by Rignot, where he also takes a closer look at some of the most crucial parts of Greenland and Antarctica (Petermann, Jakobshavn Isbrae, Amundsen Sea Sector,...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N35x3SlyWzs&t

>>130646666
You all know we are going to fight this with WALLS right? Fortress Europe.

>implying the dutch will let the Netherlands sink

>>130652339
Hmm
>>130651786

>>130652339
Around the whole coast of Europe to a height of 10 meters?

what are dikes? unlikely. Unfeasible, Impossible. A stupid idea.

By 2006 predictions I should be typing 4m under water right now.

>>130652538
WALL!

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>>130646666
>berlin gone
>stockholm gone
>london gone

doesn't sound that bad, does it?

>>130652463
>some allahu ackbar blows up the damn
hmmmmmm

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>>130652630
Walls are like racist and shit, don't be such a bigot anon

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>>130652735
imagine being her father

>>130652339
homosexual females

>>130652440
I shall do that, thank you.

Does that line about "no major bed obstacle that would prevent the glaciers from further retreat and draw down the entire basin" mean that if that grounding line is breached then entire basin might slide down to the sea? Which might happen rapidly if the groundwater lubricates it?

In which case perhaps we should all buy flippers? Or am I being too pessimistic?

>>130646666
Perfectly Because It's a lie.

>>130652538
>10m rise in sea level in the near future
Wew lad

>>130652514
Implying the Dutch have the money to prevent it...

>>130652941
you have a good reason to think it might not happen?

>>130650716
c02 is absorbed by plants which release oxygen. the more plantfood, the more trees. Are you stupid? Of course you are, you believe that climate change is somehow bad for the environment because muh argument from authority 90% of scientists said so

>>130650938
>reddit spacing
also
>belief is fundamental to science
holy shit no

Just spread the rumour that global warming is islamophobic. Instant free solar panels and ultra tax on fossil fuels

>>130651290
well because dutch is basically a bastardation between german and english

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>>130652804
Hmmm torn between if I would feel ashamed or still fap

>>130652524
>>130651786
This only proves my point. If we can already keep out that much water, why shouldn't we be able to build the dikes higher?

>>130653203
Lots of danish in there as well mate

>>130653179
Oh wait, if it was actually real that would be the case already because even politicians want to live...

>>130646666
Well at least Germany will finally fuck off and die

>>130652883
the paper is explained a little more in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2pYHMx5bN8

>>130653120
but how much is absorbed by the plants? in comparison to how much is released and has been released by fossil fuel burning?

(answer small proportion) Also, deforestation of the planet by human beings is still going on - more humans fewer trees. Are you stupid? maybe not. but you have some stupid ideas.

get educated, if you are not stupid.

oh yeah, and "muh argument from authority 100% of fossil fuel companies said so" isn't a good argument.

>>130653179
It could happen faster than you think.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/06/climate-change-racist-crisis-london-city-airport-black-lives-matter

>>130653362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCcLggcPcj0

Plant life has increased by 14% in the last century. Deforestation is not an issue, retard.

>>130646666
Nice quads, also is the middle east gone yet? if so thank you china and india.

>>130653151
oh sorry, I write well and space things so it is easy to read, therefore i must be ... educated? fuck off with the reddit thing - I was here a long time ago...

And holy shit yes. Unless you think that knowledge does not require belief, in which case please explain your epistemology. (or are you philosophically ignorant as well as scientifically)

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>>130652416

Oslo is rising 5,1 mm each year... which is much more than the ocean is rising.

>>130653767
If you need to "believe" in your research or findings then they are unreliable. belief is due to a lack of knowledge, dummy

>>130653266
look up hydro dynamics and the engineering involved. Depending on the construction technique the dyke usually has to be much wider than it is tall - You end up with dykes four or ten times the volume - so basically you have to build something ten times as big as what is already there, to replace all the dykes in place. That is a huge project. The cost - enormous.

>>130653227
>not disowning her and try for another one

If human influence on climate is real and of the extent people believe it is, we're fucked anyway. You're not going to get the countries with major populations stand in line (mainly looking at china here). Related to this is the outrage over US's retraction from the Paris climate treaty. That treaty stated that a peak in pollution should be reached, and time limit for that peak should take into account the development of the relevant country. This will in practice mean that india and china will pollute the earth further, while the west gives away relative economical (and thus political) power to the east. As long as the politics around climate change are as twisted as they are, no government will take it seriously as a threat. Atm it's a geopolitical game.

>>130646666
>Helsinki under water
How can I speed this up?

>>130652339
How are homosexual females going to help you?

>>130654042
Definition of Knowledge - Justified True Belief.

Please do a basic course in epistemology, or English language usage.

>>130653837
but not more than the ocean will rise if the ice sheets break off fast and melt...

>>130646666

Also, one think they haven't accounted for in this 'watergeddon' is that if we get more seawater, the ocean bottoms will bulge downwards more so the rise won't be as severe.

>>130646666
Nice Sunni weather in good old Britain

>>130654633
thing*

>>130653538

Matt Ridley? really?

lol

fuck off with fake science

>>130653335
thanks for that - although to me that looks like he is still being optimistic - will melt rates stay the same? will the grounding line not retreat further and the sheet break off?

not a climate scientist, but still worried...


also have to go - bye peeps, see you at the beach...

>>130654082
Biggest problem is that the rising pressure from the ocean would make ground water salty, fucking over agriculture.
If you want horror scenarios for rising ocean levels look to Bangladesh and other poor as fuck places that cant afford the infrastructure.

>>130646666
By how many meters did you raise the water leve?

>>130654720
What is your profession lad? I see you're not a scientist as you stated but you seem to have a great knowledge of such matters, you surely are something in the STEM field no?

>ctrl+f hoax
>0 results

Where are the American posters?

>>130653271
>danish in dutch

really is it?
i like to learn easy/similar languages.
I just had latin and englisch in school and worked through dutch a bit of spanish and a little bit of french now (which i utterly love and hate at the same time)

>>130646666
>most of the major centers of degeneracy like stockholm are gone

I don't see anything wrong with this.

>implying holland will ever go underwater

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>>130655018
The map is a worst case scenario, all ice melted: +66 meters.
Not going to happen any time soon.'

Pic related is same scenario for NA.

>>130653538
>plant life increased by 14%
can you cite that fact, because last I checked deforestation was destroying most of the world's plant life

>>130649794
>>130651336
you obviously don't know about the Dutch

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>>130654646
>sunni weather

goddamn this sunni muslims ruin everything

>>130655269
Looks far more comfier than what it is now. Especially with places like Jew York, Los Angeles and San Francisco flooded.

>>130655227
WVe got our lovely dijks

>>130646666
bs btfo

>>130646666
fuck catalonia and gibraltar, i would be good with that

>>130646666
id like to see this tbqh

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>>130646666
friendly reminder, to start to research into the value of truth of any given statemnt start with what you know for sure.
Dobrogea here looks like it's under water for the most part,however it will never be under water bc it's a solid mass of rock,remnants of a large mountain range that got eroded away.
It's why the danube takes a sharp turn,why more rock and dirt had to be excavated building a straight canal to the sea than the entire Panama canal which is much larger Pic related
so that map is doubtful
you can apply this to other areas that you know of

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pic related is 170meters (not historically impossible)

>>130655632
>africa untouched
fuck that

>>130646666

I'm not very affected.

The problem is obvious, the change in currents and the added volume would mean that the general weather would be unrecognizable and be the cause of many deaths in unprepared zones(just see the damage 30º can cause in britain... they are not prepared)

This would cause an influx of refugees from the south to the North on a scale no one has ever seen, with one difference, this would be rich countries vs rich countries so instead of asking nicely France, Italy, Spain, Greece can join together and do like the Japanese empire did; conquer to release population pressures.

In this scenario we might see some interesting things too, the higher influx of heat might actually become an energy source by itself, agriculture might be a bit easier with all the additional CO2 and the melting of the poles might open new resources to spoil with our optimized technology and decreasing population from wars, they will last a lot more.

>>130653011
you don't need money when your life is on the line

>>130655153
Yeah f.example I watched a dutch movie the other day, Michiel De Ruyter about their greatest admiral.
One of the first sentences in the first naval battle nearly made me spit out my drink as I thought they were speaking danish.

>>130652725
>implying dunecoons are smart enough to come up with a plan like that

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>>130646666
ftfy

>>130651565
>>130652376
Our country is already adapting to the inevitable actually. They're experimenting with floating towns and assigning areas that could flood on purpose if needed, so that densely populated areas won't.

>>130656011
Don't worry, they'll get inspiration from watching an episode of the Simpsons or some shit and copy that

>>130647162
I don't get this meme.
The niggrs and liberals will just migrate inland and ruin the quaint villages and countryside.

>>130647162

>Marseilles underwater too

I think I'm gonna paint the North pole black to it melts faster.

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>>130646666
>more sea access
>finally into islands
>hungary still landlock shithole

Bring it

>>130646666
our country will actually benefit from this, so i'm not to worried

BUILD MORE DIKES

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>>130653011
We don't need money, it's in our DNA. Like beavers.

>>130646666
The coastline in Finland and Sweden is rising:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/sweden-the-land-of-the-rising-coastline-8373787.html

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>>130657414
More dykes?

>>130646850
France, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, All the Baltic States Russia and Romania fucked
>Spain
Only Cadiz and Huelva lost, Seville will have sea port, I'm ok with that

>>130657220
That's what scares me about this shit desu.

If we benefit, then we will have a "special responsibility" to take on the poor "climate refugees", and we all know it.

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>>130659545
Who's gonna enforce it though?

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>>130646666

>Denmark will go down before becoming a full-blown caliphate

You faggots have no idea how happy that makes me.

>>130647290

You have to go back, Sven.

Fucking cafe servant nigger.

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>>130660586
Norwegian politicians.

>>130648201
I was hoping the sea would reach to me

>>130646666

Its good for me. Pretty sure my propery values will rise dramatically.
If all the people from North Germany will flood into South Germany. Land and property values will skyrocket.