Why the fuck are there no good options? They're all fucking

because life is a zero sum game.

>>130607963
There are good options. You just have to think them up yourself. (But keep it to yourself if you think of something, lest it get dicked up)

Anarcho Capitalism works

>>130607963
>fascism
>no freedom and getting killed if you oppose

That's only a bad thing if the things you aren't free to do aren't bad things.

>>130607963
If you don't oppose whatever the fascist regime is up to then that sounds like the best out of what you listed.

>>130607963
>getting killed if you oppose
Only if you are degenerate trash

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in da woods is the only way anon.

My cave I'm cleaning up.

>>130607963
absolute monarchy

>>130609282
>>130609409
How far does degeneracy go though? What if watching porn is considered degenerate by the state? I'd be doing it in the privacy of my home and get killed for it anyway. I should be able to do what I want atleast in my fucking property. Who is the state to tell me what I should do?

>>130607963
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>130609854
Porn is objectively degenerate, you garbage. Of course that would get you jailed.
Allowing people to such disgusting freedoms is what creates faggots, pedophiles, drug abusers etc. People are too dumb to decide things on their own. The state needs to impose on them to make sure the foolish populace keeps in line.

Strict, lawful capitalism or benevolent monarchy. Both of which suffer from inheriting more and more problems and weaker leaders.

>>130610133
What's the point of living then? If you're gonna have the state decide for you why live at all?

>>130609657
Please be real, post updates

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>>130607963
>no freedom and getting killed if you oppose
As long as it doesn't harm the nation you're free to do whatever you want.

>>130611177
A peaceful society with Christian morals, free from mind poisoning degeneracy. Children will not think of sex until they're older, men and women will not have dozens of sexual partners before marriage, and everyone will live for their country.
These things cannot be attained without the state imposing on (((those))) that would abuse (((freedom))) to bring harm.

>>130612022
Fucking beta male
Real men fuck lots of women and spread their seed and cuck beta males like you

>>130610418
>Strict, lawful capitalism
Pretty much what fascism is.
The issue is where to draw the line in severity of punishment and what is actually deserving of punishment.
>>130607963
Fascism is still the best option. Just gotta get a party in power that isn't going to make stupid laws.

>>130607963
you dont even have a coherent opinion
lets start with the basics. is there a difference between sex and rape

>>130612278
>if you're not a degenerate whore you're a cuck
Stop hiding your flag, schlomo

>>130612278
>yeeh I fuk all da biches nigga fucking BASED

>>130609202

>it was real in my mind!

Don't have a pure ideology then. Traditionalism: do what has worked so far. And yes, even then life is suffering.

>fascism no freedom
sorry you dont have the freedom to jerk off to cartoon children on government welfare all day.

>>130612278
You dont deserve to use that flag faggot

>>130607963
>No pure ideology works.

it literally doesn't matter what your ideology, political or economic system is....

Jews will infiltrate and corrupt it.

>>130607963
Socialism works as long as you dont become a useless eater.

>>130609282
Communists say the same thing, only their view of what "bad things" are is slightly different. You're both just as full of shit and should just kill yourselves desu.

>>130607963
Anohnny Rico here didn't talk about the glory of National Socialism. and you should like Fascism Rico, don't you come from Buenos Aires and wana kill'em all?

>>130612022
>believing in religion in C U R R E N T Y E A R

boomer fag detected

>>130607963
Feudalism is pretty decent

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>>130612351
>Pretty much what fascism is.
A very national capitalism. If there was fascism in America you sure as hell wouldn't see people driving around in a Honda, they'd pretty much only be driving around in American cars, and maybe the cars of very close allies.

>>130610133
And humans are incapable of supporting a system that would fit such a reality. You might be out in left field instead of right but you're still nowhere near home.

The system isn't the problem either direction, its the people behind the system.

>>130607963
>Watches my evil cat toy with a mouse

Nature is cruel, life is short. Stop expecting the mouses world to not be in your own anon.

>>130610133
>my perfect, all-powerful state will never become corrupt or get subverted and will always remain pure and act in the best interest of the nation and its people
Unless you can guarantee this to be the case (which you can't), granting the state totalitarian power is too risky. Furthermore, you will never remove degeneracy from society, because it's a part of human nature. You can find stories of people fucking children and animals in Medieval Europe for fuck's sake. Your idea that you can just enforce Christian values and that all that stuff would magically disappear is naive. It's based on a delusional utopian fantasy, just like Communism and Ancap.

>>130613096
>Socialism works as long as you dont become a useless eater.

The most useless motherfuckers actually end up running the show under socialism. It usually collapses under the weight of the bureaucracy.

>>130609657
Hell yea my dude. Cave squatting sounds fun. Personally I'm looking to become an Eskimo

>>130608612
no it isn't. it is quite obviously not a zero sum game. there are more people and food now than there was 2000 years ago. not in any way a zero sum game.

>>130615493
>implying religion is just a belief and not an effective way of imposing good morals upon the populace

fucking commies, why are they so dumb

>>130615696
That's crony capitalism, and that's why American cars are awful. It's not through lack of skill in America, it's because the market signals are wrong due to protectionist laws.

Are GM/ford in the business of making cars, or are they in the business of making market conditions favourable for next year's model.. interest rates, responsible credit laws, safety compliance etc

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>>130616201
I thought it was unions that killed GM

>>130609202
>never existed
it totally works guise, in my mind!

Even if you can find some societies that were like it, such as iceland or parts of colonial america, you have to realize they were all relatively unthreatened by neighboring competitors so it was not a sustainable system

capitalism works. if you're rich. why aren't your rich/trying to get rich? that's how you thrive in capitalistic society. quit being a bitch.

>>130615696
Uh huh.
Who gets the final say in national capitalism, the nationalist, or the capitalists? I say this because they are opposed to each other.

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>>130607963
the answer is pretty obvious

>anarchy

if you ask the question of "but where has anarchy ever worked" the answer is obvious: fucking everywhere around you throughout all of history.

the argument people make against anarchy is that the strongest gangs will inevitably take over and impose their own laws. oh no shit really??? you mean like exactly what has happened now???

the world has always existed in a perpetual state of anarchy and all governments are imperfect constructs made by people who were as often incoherent and illogical if not outright motivated by nothing more than pure greed/powerlust as they were brilliant.

if this all sounds really blackpilled/cynical the upside is that this system of order arising from total clusterfuck chaos has somehow more or less worked out and kept the species going for thousands and thousands of years.

Maybe instead of spending your time obsessed with ideological purity you should think about how to sustain other forms of purity desu

>>130616676
the two aren't mutually exclusive. the elite/state class in north korea would be a good example of national capitalists. your thinking is just too peasant-aligned to comprehend this.

>>130610133
You should be killed.

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>>130616676
I would hope the nationalists, although I don't think they necessarily must oppose each other. Hitler somehow managed to increase wages, decrease unemployment, and raise business profits all at the same time, so whatever the hell he was doing was making everybody happy.

>>130616964

>whatever the hell he (Hitler) was doing was making everybody happy.

And then the Merchant Nation attacked.

>>130607963
When you think about it, the world started to tail spin when we took power from kings and gave it to politicians.
Its impossible to have a perfect system.
But the most successful one has been the dynastic chinese system which lasted about 5000 years.>>130607963

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>>130617101
The Sentinelese have lasted 60,000+ years under a pre-agricultural hunter-gatherer like system, so that one must be the best

>>130617101
chink detected
>5000 years
Anyone who knows chinese history knows thats busllshit. Just because they had dynasties in china doesn't mean it was a continuation of anything

>>130609657
Nigga living in a cave

>>130607963
>what's socialdemocracy

>>130617611
For them it is the best.

>how about trying your own ideology and fuck the rest...sips grange.

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>>130609657
Stash a bunch of weapons, ammo, and food in there and you'll be ready to fight a guerilla war when this nation splits apart

>>130607963
Anacap
>Idiots who can produce a good or provide a service starve and die
>Full liberty
>Recreational nukes
>Low iq people won't have system to support them so they can't produce offspring
>Rights are spook
>No borders but your property is a border so migrants get shot
>NAP
>Jews loose fractional reserve banking and debt power
>Consumerist culture will die
>Commies get physically removed
Ect ect

>>130607963

Corporations are government entities. If you have a problem with them your government is not limited enough.

Native Americans had it figured out. Then the white man showed up and did what they do best. Fuck it up for everyone.

>>130615684
>>130607963 (OP)
it would fucking hilarious to see how long you would last in afeudalistic society where you farm all day to come home to your retarded wife and have no computer for your pathetic exsistence on this site

>>130607963
> not listing capitalism
Saged.

>>130618320
>Money doesn't exist
>Might makes right
>Statist bands start forming
>Begin building a state
>You ignore it
>One day they send you a message offering you to join
>Refuse

Would you be able to fight off an army of troops?

>>130612022
you're a turbo faggot

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>>130616699
>tfw nobody checks that sick double-double