how can we get the communists out of anarchist rallys? they

>>130582239
Simple. Change your anarchist flag. I bet the ancap flag would cause them a heart attack

>>130582746
the black and red flag was always used by anarchists why should i give it to them just because they shilled our movement?

>>130582746
what does ancap think of bakunin btw?

>>130582239
It's not Spanish Civil War anymore, I thought that you commies and anarchists have learned to get along by now?

>>130583503
they are totalitarian maniacs
no real anarchist should have anything to do with them

>>130583503
Better for us that they fight. They still had no brain kek

>>130582985
>black and red
The black is the color of anarchy and the other represents the ideology behind it.
Red is for syndicalism/communism.
You can't kick the commies when the flag itself is libertarian communism.
You either show up with a full black flag or with one that represents another ideology.

>>130585234
communism is authoritarian anarchism is not our flag does NOT REPRESENT commy scum case closed

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>>130585936
Maybe not for you. But for the rest of us it does.

By all means push all of the non-violent leftists out of your movement so that everyone no long er has qualms about incarcerating and exterminating every single one of you criminals.

>>130586805
criminals? its not my fault what the worthless communist shills made out of our movement anarchism was about individual freedom not all this sjw Nonsens of today what is your problem with old school anarchism?

>>130582239
Invite all other anarchists to join you. Publicly denounce communists and commusit organizations like antifa and bamn

>>130582239

You need to be separated via helicopter rides.

>>130582239
Yeah pretty much made me hate you guys to.

>>130583081
Ancap is far older than Bakunin and older anarchists, most Ancaps I know see him like a Violent Marx

>>130587368
Well then, join us. No libertarian/ancap should have a problem with anarchist comunes.

>>130582239
I used to be an anarchist when I was a kid and did not know what a libertarian was. You guys need to get them out of your movement.

>>130587697
what are you guys somking?
bakunin hated marx

>>130587368
Why you let commies enter your movement, everything they enter, they take control. You should abandon your names symbols and start a new movement.

>>130587936

Please, based anarchist, enlighten me on Bakunin.

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>>130587936
2 piece of shit

>>130587945
>Why you let commies enter your movement, everything they enter, they take control. You should abandon your names symbols and start a new movement.

This is what happened to us. Now we're a bundle of sticks.

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>>130588158

What a sectarian cunt you are. We both want communism.

>>130588313
Why we let this happen to us?

>>130587936
Most Ancaps I know hate him like they hate Marx.

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>>130588447

Ok, that's a start, but what about his economics?

>>130588481
i want to live as wolf
you want to force me to be a sheep
you are a blind sheep and you will see it when its to late for you
get out of our scene cancer shill

real anarchism shall be reborn out of you ashes

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>>130588507
>Why we let this happen to us?

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obligatory

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>>130588722
a mix of cap and soc

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OP is a massive faggot,

His dick is tinier than a newborn maggot.

He really thought he was being funny clever and witty

But in actuality his post was just very shitty.

The only other thing his mouth spills out that dumb

Are impossibility large quantities of nigger cum.

He wishes he had a woman between his knees,

But instead he can only jack off to dick-girl fantasies.

The only action he'll ever get is a one-way with his hand ;

In fact his entire birth wasn't even planned.

His room is full of dragon-dildos and weeaboo-merch,

He is even more pathetic than Anthony Birch.

The last time he saw a real vagina was when he was born ;

The last time Moon Man inside job his mom her cervix was torn.

Oh, look, OP's mom is already knocking on my door,

And her gaping cunt is begging for more.

So before I go I want you all to have a nice day

And remind everyone in this thread that OP is fucking gay.

'kkkay 'kkkay 'kkkay?

>>130589086
>a mix of cap and soc
I don't want offend, but this sounds like what a nazi or nazbol would say.

“Wealth can be brought into existence or increased in three and only three ways: by perceiving certain nature-given things as scarce and actively bringing them into one's possession before anyone else has done so (homesteading); by producing goods with the help of one's labor and such previously appropriated resources; or by acquiring a good through voluntary, contractual transfer from a previous appropriator or producer.”

Where is the injustice?

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>>130589086

Nice. Is it anything like Proudhon?

Also, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QsbvE_0Kpc

>>130589407
why?

>>130589595
Nazi economics is based on that phrase. Too much capitalism is unjust and too much control is slavery.

>>130589422
if your born poor as shit you are totally fucked thats why i think a bit soc would be importent but it would be there should be a balance of both at least in my opinion

>>130590018
But how can soc happen without government? Sorry I know nothing about red and black.

>>130589758
i mean hitler also ate bread that doesnt mean a thing
bakunin came way before him

>>130590018
Are poor people going to reproduce if their children aren't subsidised? Left to their own devices without redistributed wealth they might revert to a more primitive lifestyle/find a new way of life suited to their low market value

>>130590206
I know, I'm just saying it as a curiosity.

>>130590188
if a school is build in a town every one has to pay to his part who will use it so poor people just a little and the rich a bit more
dont pay your part and you wont be able to use it (thats just my though on the matter im noz perfect tho)

>>130590018
If the child has potential there is a business for private investment in their education etc.

If not there is always charity/religious orders willing to take them

one in ten thousand might not survive, I'm happy to chalk that down as darwinism in action

>>130590188
>how can soc happen without government?

I'm sure OP doesn't mean by socialism "centralized economic planning" or "state control of the means of production."

>>130582239
>>130582985
Communists were the original anarchists you dipshit. That's why the flag has red on it.

>>130590816
again communism is authoritarian
an is not
read the thread

>>130590270
They keep reproducing in Afrika dont they

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>>130582239
I just act like one of them and act like I'm some knowledgeable pundit and they start listening to me. They are so dumb, they don't even realize when what I'm telling them contradicts their ideology.

>>130590663
So it's like a moral act, not a formal institution?

>>130590018
When it comes to it, when it really comes to it... who is so useless that they cant survive without forced welfare of some kind? Extremely disabled kids who's parents didn't buy insurance? The tragedy has happened by then, let them die

>>130590990
especially when international aid doesn't let anyone starve

>>130590739

public institutions are possible without a state.

http://www.freenation.org/a/f53l1.html

>>130590739
yeah the people should just make sure that everyone at least has a chance my problem with total ancap is that there will be large comopartions sooner or later wich will make it impossible for everyone else to rise from the ground thats why i though that a bit soc wouldnt be that bad

>>130591142

See >>130591326 and stop being such a faggot.

>>130590986
>communism is authoritarian
Remember that modern communists have bought into the "not real communism" meme. They picture it as anarchy with a few co-op farms and some kind of logistics. That is why commies and anarchists get along. Find new friends (and a new ideology desu)

I don't usually use 4chan, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell's blog, but they didn't seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad's company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).

I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of "anarchists" and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.

I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn't see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn't read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.

This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don't know why, but I didn't say anything) and they invited me inside. (1/4)

>>130591020
?

>>130582239
>implying Bakhunin was talking about waifus

>>130591607
We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn't as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.

I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don't even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like "nooo" we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism. (2/4)

>>130591359
>my problem with total ancap is that there will be large comopartions sooner or later wich will make it impossible for everyone else to rise from the ground

This is why modern day ancaps are full retards. They think that corporations would even exist in anarchy at all. Market anarchism is the same way, but LARPing faggots keep fucking everything up.

>>130591675
And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.

I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that's it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don't have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like "noooo" again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says "nooo" or expresses some disapproval at the same time.

And one of them said "but we do want to stop democracy" and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn't really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.

So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism. (3/4)

>>130591744
Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.

Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me." Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.

I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.

So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.

I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don't worry. Just needed to share. (4/4)

>>130591359
large corporates are in many ways less efficient than smaller operations. they survive under the current regime by regulating smaller competitors out of business

After the revolution, the first thing the Marxists do is arrest and/or murder all the anarchists, socialists, and other lefties.

Happens. Every. Time.

The Bolshevik Myth
by Alexander Berkman

>>130591701
>Market anarchism is the same way

Edit: that is to say there would be no corporations in market anarchy.

>>130582239
You should learn about anarchism, which has long been heavily associated with socialism

>>130591649
Not even kidding. Lmao

>>130591811
>large corporates are in many ways less efficient than smaller operations

It's a start, but corporations are state-granted privileges of limited liability. They don't exist in anarchy, whether market or otherwise. Ideally, market anarchy and social anarchy are parts of a whole. They compliment each other.

>>130591878

See

>>130588633

>>130591326
you are right i would add that as another point to this>>130590739

>>130591834
this, diseconomies of scale would prevent any monopolies forming in a true ancap free market

>>130586609
>anarcha feminism
>anarcha

laffed

>>130591878
not full socialism and not marxism
>please get out

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>>130591878
gtfo commie

Let's face, bakhunin would be a republican white trash with no fucking land, piece of trash utopic fuck
>muh threads with marx
degenarate and useless piece of proto-liberal trash.
Thank this rotten teeth faggy russian for the sjw today
>muh rights
suck a statist cock, larper faggots

Ive gone through most idelogies but im very conflicted. Sometimes I want to go full anarchy capitalism but realistically it wont happen because people are too lazy. Is fascism the true way of society progressing forward?

>>130591878
a history of failure
meanwhile bitfcoin is proving ancaps to be the only true successful anarchists

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>>130592120

best fucking bread all day

>>130592189
>realistically it wont happen because people are too lazy

capitalism won't happen because people are lazy? Does it not THRIVE on laziness? Offering services for those who wish to be lazy instead of doing it themselves is what it's all about. I'm thinking that BECAUSE people are lazy that it would be a resounding success.

>>130592396
this made my kek hard

>>130591359
No they won't. The bigger a corporation gets the less efective it is. Without a state to make it harder to start a business they will ultimately fail or scale back.
See Pareto principle and Price's square root law.

>>130592588
>i like capitalism

What im saying is people wont vote it because they know free shit wont be given to them. Im trying to think realistically what idealogy couls be implemented in 2017. Socialism in europe is becoming more of a reality unfortunately and will eventually lead to its final collapse.

maybe we should make a new anarchist flag for the bakunin style anarchism?

>>130583878
Ever since cheka purged the anarchists

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>>130592890

communism is the opposite of anarchism, only capitalism can be anarchist

get the fuck off my board communist fag

>>130592864
>people wont vote it

Lrn2Agorism

>>130593124
read the thread for fuck sake bakunin was against marxism

>>130592890
Why does anarchy have a fucking flag?

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>>130592890

You're going to have to undermine the communist scum that have infiltrated your movement, much like the nazis have done in ours.

>>130593581
just to show the values in a logo i guess and to distance it from the Marxist shills

most of you ancaps are alright its awesome talking to you guys

>>130593828
this will be a hard task oldanar is full of this shills

>>130593990

I feel the same way about you. Don't let the detractors derail our efforts. We need more collaboration. We are comrades, not enemies.

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>>130594127
>this will be a hard task oldanar is full of this shills

It's that way from the market anarchist end too. I mean look at this shit (pic related). They have fallen off the wagon and yet these LARPing dipshits think this is the word of god.

>>130593879
Not like here but in general.

>>130582239
ah but is there anyone who is truly as happy as the man who gets to beat the people with a stick?

>>130594426
thats why i had the idea with the new flag do you know how much i wanna puke when i see antifa commis holding my flags?

>>130582239
https://www.marxists.org/svenska/
breivik tried and failed

>>130582239
Teach kids to be self sufficient, independent and competitive.

>>130593990
There is an issue with our government's. The fact that we agree on that one point makes me consider you allies.

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>>130582239
You're so pathetic. This so-called "movement" you speak of is just a way of creating a United Front. They've been playing you fools for almost one hundred years now and you clowns still don't get it. They'll slaughter you boneheads again just like they did back in the late 30's.

The game of politics is too dangerous for plebs to play, say a few Hail Mary's and humble yourself, it may be the only way to save your lives.

"Anarchism" is literally an integral aspect of the Revolutionary Communist United Front.

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>>130594871
>thats why i had the idea with the new flag do you know how much i wanna puke when i see antifa commis holding my flags?

You could fly under the mutualism flag. I'm all for "socialism" when it means people helping people out in a voluntary fashion.

>>130595087
i feel the same
be carefull tho there are many shill acting like oldanar

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>>130595210
>Revolutionary Communist United Front

>United Front

>United

>>130595694
this

>>130595289
never heard of it have to read into it

>>130595210
why cant you understand that we do not work with this shills

>>130596173
Cause everyone's a commie if you're not sucking Hitler's dick.

>>130596004

Mutualism is Proudhon's creation. It's a tad too anti-propertarian for my personal tastes, but you might find it compatible with your conception of anarchy.

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>>130596173
I'm sorry, but I don't get what you're saying.
Anyhow, I'm being dead serious.
Fascism is also an integral piece to creating the United Front, as normal working people need a legitimate threat to engage in armed revolution against. In other words, the propaganda has to be real.

If you want to see how you're being played, and slowly lead to the gallows, read "Fascism, Stalinism, and the United Front" by Trotsky, and "The United Front" by Dimitrov.

Anarchism is nothing more than a political tool of the Communists, once that tool has served it's purpose it's destroyed, just like in Barcelona.

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>>130595694
Of course it's not really United, but in crowd warfare perception is all that matters.

>>130582239
How in the fuck are anarchists getting along with communists?

Aren't you guys like completely against a government touching your shit/dictating your shit to you?

Because that's the opposite of what communism is. Which would be every aspect of your life governed by the state.

>>130597141
hmmm i will read into it

anarchism has a far older history than communism tho

even if shill versions where used does that mean it would be impossible to make a anarchist state?

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>>130597545
Communism claims to eventually lead to the irrevocable dissolution of the state.

>>130597545
They mostly recruit gutter punks. Other people have things and they don't. It's pretty simple.

>>130597545
They don't get """along""" very often at least here in western Europe but they do occasionally march together under the banner of anti-capitalism

Election wise libertarian socialists/anarchists also don't often get along as the tankies have a tendency to stab non-tankie leftists at the first opportunity (see Mélenchon and the PCF drama)

>>130597545
we dont if you talk to a anarchist who says he has no problem with communist he is:
a: a communist shill
b: a retard who doesnt know what communism nor anarchism is

communist out of our rallys reeeee

>>130598085
stop walking with them they are the very worst of them all and you poisen our image by walking with them

>>130591607
>>130591675
>>130591744
>>130591790

Fascinating, when discussing ideology with left-leaning anarchists, I always use the term, "To each their own," meaning that it is the duty of each person to sustain themselves and function as an individual in their own right, and that no-one is obligated to provide for them or tolerate them, without this, anarchism isn't truly by the individual, for the individual. It always seems to resonate with them.

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>>130597742
Dunno, but I think you're misunderstanding that there are no "shill" versions of Anarchism. There doesn't have to be shills, they see that you and them have similar believes in a certain areas and they exploit that. They especially like using Anarchists for clerical persecution and terrorism, so that they can look like the good guys on the side of law and order after they decimate your ranks.
Make no mistake, I'm not an Anarchist, but I'm not arguing against Anarchism per se, I'm just pointing out that you guys have been unwitting Communist stooges for almost one hundred years now. If anything, I'm trying to help you.

>>130597545

lurk moar

>>130598006
Well I don't see how that could possibly be since if there is a group controlling you it is the state no matter what word you call it.

>>130598387
Is correct. For example I was out of the loop of this conflict until just a moment ago.

If I would've seen black and red wearers coming down my street I would just assume they're all antifa and therefore leftists and so the enemy to anyone who wants to be left alone and not be held responsible for paying the living costs of others, And to open fire if they're so much as breaking one thing.

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>>130598387
Don't worry they usually voluntarily isolate themselves during protests because they know they will get verbally harassed by approximately every non-tankie

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>>130598998
Communists, like their messiah Lenin, are compulsive liars, of course it makes no logical sense, that's why emotion is one of their tools of choice.

>>130598608
i see what you mean
there has to be a way to not get took over by this cancer cells i have to read more into this
we struggled with them for years that is true
the cancer cells are every where tho i mean have you seen your colleges?

>>130592396
Beverly Hills Antifa is satire, fucking funny.

>>130599064
just dont walk with them at all please
they will undermine you as soon as they can
people just see you in a group with them and just like that our picture is poluted

>>130598998
you got it

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>>130599794
>the cancer cells are every where tho i mean have you seen your colleges?

Yes, and they, among other things, are a source of great shame.
The only way to not fall to the cancer is to out pace it. Surge to the vanguard and set the agenda, this is what the Communists do. Action is faster and more potent than reaction. Make the Communists be the ones to react and victory will be possible.