>"i noticed you weren't wearing a seatbelt so I

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>>130562243
Next time use the seatbelt, nigger.

More like $150 tickets

>seatbelt law

>motorcycle cops

>>130562243
>omg, the government is forcing me not to be stupid

You'r lucky. My government is forcing us all to be idiots.

>>130562243
I DO NOT CONSENT

>>130562776
Pass

>>130562243
Just wear your fucking seatbelt faggot

>>130563271
Nah

>>130562243
So what are you going to do about changing the law? Probably nothing

>>130562243
>I know that a cop will create an annoying situation for himself, me, and other drivers if I don't wear a seatbelt, but I won't wear a seatbelt.

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>>130563304
Go die anticonformist retard

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>>130563360

>>130563160
>When I get into an accident and the other passenger flies through their windshield because they didn't have their seatbelt on, crashing into my vehicle, causing more damages and violating the NAP so I behead him and claim zero responsibility as his actions were a deliberate act of assault

>>130563160
>>130563304
then fucking deal with it retard, you arent special.

>>130562243
thanks, now please issue me my standard beating or bullet to the head so you can be on your way to protect others

>>130563494
"WEAR A SEATBELT!"
If a motorbike doesn't need one then a car doesn't need one as well.

>>130562243
$10 ticket my ass. And with socialized medicine on the horizon, adverse personal risk becomes the priority of the entire country. No fatties, no speeding, must wear seatbelt, no fun allowed, etc.

>>130563271
this.

>>130563304
Think of it less as a traffic fine and more of a dumbshit tax. They ask you to strap yourself in so you don't go flying out of your car in an accident. Too many faglords like you refused to take 3 seconds out of their busy schedule, so manufacturers started placing airbags, causing wearers of seatbelts to sustain fractures to their lower arms and damage to the face. It even kills children. So fuck you.

>>130562243
I never wear my seatbelt

I've been pulled over multiple times, but not once has a cop ever written me a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt

>>130563494
>>130563360
>>130563271

of your going less than 50mph and have a good driving history than this seat belt nonsense is just a secret tax

>>130563304

>muh freedom
>pays government money unnecessarily instead of wearing safety equipment that keeps you alive in an accident

"[E]very man who puts money into the hands of a "government" (so called), puts into its hands a sword which will be used against himself, to extort more money from him, and also to keep him in subjection to its arbitrary will." --Lysander Spooner

Stop being a statist faggot and wear your seatbelt.

"no sir i dont have to show you my license, im not driving im TRAVELLING"

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it's the hypocrisy you dongs, the pretense is that it's about safety when it's obviously just another revenue stream for nigger programs

i expect better from you

>>130563930
>Too many faglords like you refused to take 3 seconds out of their busy schedule
>too many faglords refused to surrender their personal agency to the nanny state

Fixed, state cuck.

>>130563939
i saw a person get decapitated on their steering wheel going 30 because they were wearing one

>>130563271
It's a pretty overbearing law, don't you think? Very nanny state-like. I can understand making kids wear it, but forcing an adult to wear a seatbelt under penalty of fine is pretty silly.

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>>130564104
Then stop giving police money by breaking the law
This "tax" is entirely opt-in and you opt-in by negligence.

>$10 ticket

Where is this paradise?

>>130562243

I guess I hate laws now.

>>130563931
They used to do click it or ticket month where I would get a ticket at least twice a month even when I had my seatbelt on.

>>130563939
Bullshit. I'm an EMT and have seen people end up with broken necks from not wearing seatbelts during parking lot collisions.

>government has to call a clean-up crew to scrape your brain matter off the road
>9 years of investing in your education down the fucking drain
>"WAA WAA I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WEAR A SEAT BELT IF I DON'T WANT TO!"

>>130562243
>Flag

Literally checks out.

>>130562243
>to write you this $10 ticket

kek, tickets are never that inexpensive.

>>130564556
Not my problem

>>130564345
i'm not disagreeing, it's the principle

>>130562243
Thank you for showing me some GTA in real live. It was well woth my 10 dollars. How much is it if we reapet it? I want to film it.

>>130563271
My grandpa who isn't a nu-conservative bootlicker like you laughs at seatbelt laws. He thinks the government oversteps its bounds and its job isn't to manage your life. If you want to drive without one and die, so be it. You are the real cuck here, arguing for mommy state to lecture you and if you don't send out the armed tax collectors to take your money

>>130564217
I wear a seatbelt for myself, dumbshit. Allowing an overbearing government even a modicum of control over yourself because you refuse to limit your exposure is like tying yourself onto a bed after calling dequan over and then saying he raped you. I bet you relish it. Begging the state to find you and insert its control all over you. Because why else would you complain about a law that shouldn't affect any sane or sober person? You want officer Chad to see you, you fucking transparent whore.

>>130564345
Bullshit. I've gotten tickets even when I've had my seatbelt on. It's a shakedown, pure and simple.

>>130562243
nice filter faggot

>>130563119
seatbelt checks are bullshit no matter what.

The State BTFO!!!11!!1

>>130562243
I don't give a shit if you wear it or not. Nobody cares if you die, fuck you. I really think it is stupid that they are required by law. If you are dumb enough to not wear one, you need to be taken out of the gene pool. I was a seatbelt nazi at the age of 5, would bitch at everyone until they put one on. Oh, and in California they are a LOT more than $10 (Slide thread everyone, Don't forget to sage.)

No one should be okay with seatbelt laws unless they were to apply to your passengers under 18. But then again they aren't required on buses or trains or planes for a large part of the travel. So why should adults be forced to wear them in cars?

>>130564976
Too many photo detectives

>>130563931
I've never noticed seat belt laws being enforced with stops and such, and I was pulled over once without one on for speeding and didn't get a ticket for it. It sounds like something that small town places do for money and quotas.

>>130562879
>150
its 450 in cuckland

>>130565465
People now a days are ok with any new law, shitty time to be a young man

>>130564767
this is some shitlib tier gymnastics

>>130566541
>Forgets where we are right now

>>130566739
god damn it, foiled again

in someways I feel the government should let people fulfill their natural selection fate in the gene pool.

but then I realize a 300lb merican lump of lard getting catapulted out of his F150 also poses a serious road hazard when driving.
So the argument, "its doesn't affect anyone but me" is bullshit.

>>130567098
>y-you get ejected and kill other people

Let's see some statistics and vids since this is what you cucks always bring up

>>130567361
100% of humans that drive cars will die

>>130562243
>sir, you cannot impose a $10 fee on me, we had no prior contract or arrangement to make me liable for it
>"$10 or you're gonna need to come with me"
>tells him he is in violation of the NAP
>he insists I leave my own vehicle
>press panic button on my private security team button
>they arrive within 5 minutes
>blow the NAP violators brains out
>I pay them extra via a voluntary tip
>I go on my merry way.

>>130567556
>Sovereign citizen
>The most annoying little shits there are

>>130563852
a motorbike doesent need one because you have like 80 pads on you and a helmet, even if you flew 300m you are still gonna have a minor concussion and thats it, in a car however you got airbags (optional) and a seatbelt and you are surrounded by metal that can pierce you wherever you want

Gotta get dat taxpayer money $$$

Seriously PD's are run like organized crime syndicates where they can legally extort extravagant amounts of money from you for the most petty shit, like driving 5 mph under the speed limit. This is why people should complain about cops, not some criminal dindus being fucked up.

>>130567556
A man can dream

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>"yeah, we're very hardcore around here, we're preparing for WW3, we're pretty much the most important libertarian militia at this point. Deus vult!"
>"what do you mean you don't want to be forced to wear a seatbelt? Don't you know it's dangerous as heck?!"

>>130567793
I was LARPING as a resident of Ancapistan.

Also

>sovereign citizen
>even knowing what the NAP is

top kek. They are reckless sociopath law breakers who do not even care about the non-aggression principle. They are "might makes right" type chimps.

>>130564577
So why doesn't the government just not invest in our education so they have less of a profit incentive to keep us alive?

>>130562243
This is an empirical question. Look into the traffic accident data (which records time, location, cause, etc.). Cross-reference this with NIBRS or UCR data on seatbelt violations. It's almost certainly the case that there are nearly zero accidents as a result of the situation you are describing. Most seatbelt fines occur in accompaniment of some other type of infraction (i.e., a cop pulls you over for something else and then realizes you're not wearing a seatbelt), and even if a cop somehow notices when you are driving in the opposite direction without a seatbelt, it seems unlikely that he would go out of his way to do a U-turn for this, except perhaps in a wealthy, over-policed community with low crime.

Furthermore, seatbelt laws do not exist because the nanny state wants to protect your worthless genetic material. Seatbelt laws exist because the type of people likely to not wear a seatbelt if they were not compelled to are more likely to not have insurance either. Thus, when they fly through the windshield and get smashed up within inches of death, the substantial portion who do not have sufficient savings to pay for their subsequent medical care and rehabilitation will end up extracting uncompensated care from a hospital. In the end, the care will be paid for by some combination of such extraction and government funds.

This violates the NAP as you are forcing others to pay for your own stupidity. When we live in an anarcho-capitalist society where the idiot who flew out of his windshield is instead left to die, then we can talk about abolishing seatbelt regulations.

Unfortunately for you, we will never live in an anarcho-capitalist society for a variety of reasons, most notably the fact that 99% of people in the world do not want to live in such a society and compelling all those people to do so would again violate the NAP and hypocritically contradict the underpinnings of the very society that compulsion would hope to establish.

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>>130562776
Actually, faggot, the state should have no business telling people if they want to wear security equipment or not. Because it only affect the wearer, and not other people. If I don't want to wear a seatbelt in a car, or a helmet on a motorcycle, that's my problem.
That shit is nothing but raking in some cash for the state all the while virtue signaling to everyone "hurr we care about human lives". No they fucking don't.

>>130567971
I think it will happen in our lifetimes, an Ancap state that is, where this could be reality.
This ideology is catching on.

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>>130562243
>U-turn
>illegal

only in your pleb state

Why aren't seat belts required on school buses?

>>130567986
Damn what a cutie. What's his name?

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>don't wear seatbelt
>break neck
>become multi-million dollar strain on society for next 50 years
there you go

>>130564556
go to medic school or don't post faglord emt scum

>>130568181
Good, thorough post.

I had an observation, you are
>t. econ professor
Am I right?

>>130564556
Weak faggots desu

>>130562243
Government sponsored extortion is all that traffic stops are.

>>130566445
>cuckland
literally what country could not be called "cuckland" today

>>130568061
I don't even know what LARPING means or what NAP is.

>>130567846
https://youtu.be/qNVB2HdkN_A

>>130563852
>>130567846
Some states have helmet laws, but those laws don't require people to wear pads and stuff. It's up to people to be incredibly stupid and ride around in t-shirts and jeans with no helmet or just a for-show helmet. Your body still gets flung so it does nothing to support this >>130567098. It's just nanny state laws. You should be wearing your seatbelt and your kids should too, but it's not the state's business to fine you simply for not wearing one. If you kids got injured from not wearing their seat belts or, say, running into the road, there might be some case for neglect.

>>130567986
It's almost as if there's more than one person on /pol/ and they have differing viewpoints.

>>130567986
>Brother, why don't you care about your life? It would be a terrible shame to the Brotherhood if some stupid nigger crashed into you while he's running from some crime he committed, only for the impact to kill you because you weren't wearing your seatbelt.
>Think about your children, White Man. Take steps to ensure your safety.

>>130567883
Yes this is the most irritating thing about police departments in my opinion, but a lot of cops (possibly most?) do hate traffic and ticket duty. I don't blame cops so much as the institution.

>>130568607
canada=cuckland

send help pls

>>130568626
The NAP is the non-aggression principle, a core tenant of Anarcho-Capitalism and liberterianism.

>The non-aggression principle (or NAP, also called the non-aggression axiom, the anti-coercion, zero aggression principle or non-initiation of force) is an ethical stance which asserts that "aggression" is inherently illegitimate.

Larping = Live action role playing, it's what people use whenever they play out a fake scenario online. Usually people invoke this expression to make fun of someone else behaving like an autist or as in a a self-deprecating way as I did.

You must be new to /pol/.

OP and I have the anarco-capitalist flags, hence why I even made the post.

>>130564577
The government does not own the people.

>>130568328
NV here, u-turns are just fine except when specifically stated sometimes. Where are u-turns illegal?

>>130568340
No $$ from kiddos.

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If I showed you a meme chart that showed making seatbelts optional killed significantly more niggers than whites, would you still oppose it?

>>130569168
It does own the school you went to, faggot.

>>130569168
correct, the government owns citizens.

>>130568181
You are a professor, aren't you?

>>130569553
They don't listen to the law, the numbers wouldn't change regardless if it was regulated or not.

>>130568181
Its also "likely" a meteoroid can kill us all one day, might as well make it a law to never leave the bunker according to your retard logic

>>130562243
Nigger it's a 300 dollar ticket

>>130568219
you dying does indeed affect other people, jackass

>>130562243
>$10
Minimum is $100

>>130570370
Really? I've had some really expensive tickets before but when I bring them to the court house traffic violation area (not literal court) they drop them to $0-$100 and just a parking ticket, other minor violation, or drop it all together. Do you really end up paying that $300???

>>130570226
I think you're the retard here friendo

AM I BEING DETAINED
AM I FREE TO GO
I WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR SUPERVISOR

>>130568749

OK, here's the reasoning behind seat belt laws, not saying I agree with it, but here's the reasoning:

>Seat belts cut down the number/severity of injuries in auto accidents.
>Medical costs are typically covered by insurance and/or government programs (i.e. Medicaid).
>Fewer injuries mean that overall cost burden on society is less.
>Oh, and having more things we can fine you for means more money for us.

>>130569128
I'm not new, I just refuse to look up weird terms, because if I do look em up, I might end up using em, and I will talk only in a weir gibberish that I can't transpose IRL.

So that's a way of staying in real politics and not only /pol/tier kekistani shit.

>>130562243
>so I did a extremely unsafe and illegal u turn while creating a more dangerous situation


AHHHHHH HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH STOP BREAKING THE LAW YOU LITTLE FAGGOT

>>130568607
England is absolutely perfect and by far the greatest nation on earth, anything you see that says otherwise is Jew media

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>>130563357
IM GONNA SHITPOST ON /POL/ ABOUT IT THEN ENTER ANOTHER THREAD AND COMPLAIN ABOUT WHY MY TAXES AND INSURANCE COST SO MUCH AS THESE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION AT ALL

you faggots are like women, you love sucking the cock of the state

>>130562243
The seatbelt law literally exists only because the insurance companies don't want to shell out for extra bodily injury. They've already made it so you're legally forced to pay $80-$200 a month to get to drive, and they don't want to lose all their shekels so they lobby aggressively to ensure you're wearing your cuckbelt.

>>130563271
t. commie bootlicking faggot

>>130572043
t. Goldberg

>>130571710
If a law lacks any moral foundation it is not a law and cannot be broken.

>>130562776
fpbp. Strong, authoritative governments are a white construct. Weak governments with crippled law enforcement are a symptom of low IQ, nigger tier countries. lolbergtardians are simply white niggers who deep throat kike cock.

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>>130562243
>Constantly told throughout childhood and afterwards to buckle up, complete with signs going "Oh shit nigger, you best clickity clack that fuck or else you gonna get a clickity clack of a pen writing up a ticket" because it stops people from flying through a windshield and smearing their face in glass and asphalt
>Nah I'm not gonna do that, fuck safety
Guess you shouldn't wear eye protection when using chemicals or a mask when using a lot of paint

>>130573457
Well obviously people should wear a seatbelt. Are people fined $100-$300 for not wearing a mask to paint their homes?

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>>130564577
hey man, wearing a seatbelt is for lame-o's HAHA, only a cuck wears a seatbelt amirite? nerd!! cool kids don't need seatbelts, because we're just way more awesomesauce than you and we won't get in a in accident like you, dork!

>>130574957
Cringed

>>130576799
>blasting RATM in mom's basement
>analyzing the lyrics to look for new talking points for online arguments
>mom comes downstairs and tells you to turn it down
>one second, mom
>skips to Killing in the Name Of
>screams at mom
>F*** YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME
>doesn't actually say fuck because mom won't let you have the unedited version

>>130562243
>cops literally have to fine people for being retarded

Wear a seatbelt you nigger

>>130568219
>That shit is nothing but raking in some cash for the state all the while virtue signaling to everyone "hurr we care about human lives"
lol that's how people do bby. Fucking insane.

My friend got a seatbelt ticket for like $300.

>>130568219
>be you
>somehow breed
>driving car
>not wearing seatbelt
>fly through windshield
>die
>fatherless child

Only affects you, right?

>>130579468
>wearing a seatbelt is good for you, so everyone should be forced to do it by law
Want to take a stroll down that slope?

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>>130579468
>people who don't wear seat belts are actual niggers

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>>130580281
>people who don't like cops are also most likely niggers

Seatbelt laws are bullshit. Just repeal the seatbelt law and pass a new law that anybody in an accident who wasn't wearing their seat belt isn't entitled to EMS. Boom problem solved. Nobody forcing you to wear the seatbelt and nobody is forced to take your stupid ass to the hospital.

>>130580098
are you a reddit?
only lefties bring up stupid fucking hypothetical to affirm their point of view
get off my fucking board REEEEEEEEEE

>>130580271
>seatbelt laws started in 1983

How far have we come down this slope the last 34 years, retard?

>>130564556
FF/medic here, doubt it. Still don't care not my problem

>>130562243
U turns are legal anywhere as long as you're not 500ft from a bridge, intersection, or limited visibility curve. Or if there's signage forbidding u turns. Plus a cop isn't gonna veer into oncoming traffic just to write you a seatbelt ticket. You're retarded. Either way just wear your fucking seatbelt. Oh wait that's right. You're retarded.

>>130562243
I'll file this on the "shit ancaps say" folder

>>130580098
The point is that it shouldn't result in fines, not that it's not mostly better to wear a seatbelt.

>>130580758
Given gun laws and hate crime laws, seems like we're still sliding.

>>130580758
We had more freedom in a dictatorship, so I'd say this long |--------->|

Seatbelt laws were just an excuse to get the police inside your vehicle.

It wasn't that long ago that people didn't want the government policing inside their homes and cars, but our civil liberties have slowly dried up over the years.

What's funny is that sometimes it's more safer to be unbuckled, such as if your vehicle is struck from the side by another vehicle. If you're held in place by a seatbelt that's actually worse.

>I'm not going to wear a seatbelt so I can fight the government
>Walk straight into the trap and get fined for not wearing a seatbelt

???

>tfw got my first speeding ticket a few days ago after ~5 years of driving on my own
>did everything you're supposed to
>whole process took less than 5 minutes
Niggers and edgy teens are stupid

>>130580692

Not wearing a seat belt is against God and certinaly represents what kind of faggot brain that needs hierarchial authority for the betterment of society and white children

>>130567556
You agreed to the traffic laws when you made your drivers licence

>>130572594
>"What you drinking?"
>"Sulfuric acid"
>"Are you retarded?"
>"My body my rules, fuck the NAP"
>t. spastic

>>130562243
Bike cop.
Nobody likes bike cops.

>>130563939
>Do 40
>Have a good driving history
>Pirate crashes into me doing 80
>Doesn't have a good driving record so has to wear a seatbelt
>Die
>He survives

This is why people don't take pirates seriously.

>>130568061
>I was LARPING as a resident of Ancapistan.

That is gay af. We have enough problems for you to LARP our shit up. It's niggers like you that make market anarchism a memefest lollercoaster.

>>130562243

What do I care if someone's shattered body has flown through their windshield and landed in a ditch? Fuck the nanny state for caring. I wear my seat belt because I don't want to die in a collision. I say let all the stupid people who want to be horrifically damaged in an auto accident kill themselves with recklessness. This is the new form of natural selection, and god knows we need a way better and MUCH faster one than smoking or obesity.

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>>130583662
The redditors won't believe it, but this board used to be lolbertarian.

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>>130584569
>The redditors won't believe it, but this board used to be lolbertarian.

If only they knew. Regardless, OP is a faggot.

>>130562243

>wog didn't wear seatbelt
>blames others

welp, what did I expect

>>130568219
Flying through the windshield and landing on someone violates the NAP. Click it up bitch.

>>130562243

if you wore your seat belt then there wouldn't have been any unsafe turns made by anyone

You guys must all be some extreme shit tier drivers to always imagine getting in a horrible wreck every time you drive

>b-but Latoya can t bone you

It takes two bad drivers to cause a accident

>>130583802
the argument against this is that in the event that this happens, someone has to pay for this. Someone has to pay for the medical bills, someone has to pay for the first responders, someone has to pay for everything involved in a bad car accident, and if the person holds an important job, the loss from their inability to do it.

>>130585940
>it takes two bad drivers to cause an accident

I'll take Fender Benders for 500, Alex. You're an idiot.

>>130586174
My body my choice

>>130562243
According to the NAP, you were the one who committed the first act of 'aggression' by refusing to comply to basic rules.

>>130586691
These roads belong to me, I paid for them.

Better than someone uploading a video of you flying face first through the glass of your windshield I suppose.

>>130587080
See
>>130567361