Why do so many American working class people welcome their exploitation

>>130526029
because we're comfy and, not in the gulag or slaving away for stale bread.

>>130526029
Why do so many retards globally fall for (((Marxism))) when it hasn't worked everywhere it's been tried?

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>>130526330
>that wasn't real communism and, porky ruined it.

looking over the fact that peter schiff funded the color revolution giving 20mil to leon (((brauenstien))) trotsky

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>>130526293
>or slaving away for stale bread.
except you are

>>130526029
It's mutual collaboration, retard.
Boss pays employee a salary so he can pay for shit, and in return employee provides with manpower for his company.
Feel free to walk away, anytime, faggot. Can't insure you'll have a home, though.

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>>130526029
communists are weak and effeminate

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>>130526029
Because rotting meat causes mutinies in commie countries while it causes the invention of the refrigerator in capitalist countries, fucko.

>>130526714
not quite I haven't done a day of labor in about five years. unless you consider biding on contracts labor. I have fresh bread delivered daily. wealth isn't a zero sum game faggot.

>>130526726
but the poor are getting poorer, and the rich are getting richer
unless you belong to top 1%, why would you support it?

>>130526747
and that's why you enjoy getting cucked by the big business?

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>>130527368
it's a mutual agreement. don't like it renegotiate or cancel the agreement. It's not like the USSR where you work or gulag.

>>130527125
>the super rich own the whole country, but hey, at least i get fresh bread daily

>>130527527
Wow, that pic of Adolf is majestic. Never seen it before.

>>130527535
and people like me organize in political groups to renegotiate that agreement.
and unless you enjoy beeing exploited, you should join us

>>130526029
I don't, I own my own business.
It's nice anon, you know, not bootlicking the federal government and wishing they'd cut me a paycheck for everything. You should try not being a fat autistic worthless piece of trash some time.

>>130527728
You should negotiate killing yourself.

>>130526029

because if you get enough pay after being exploited compared to starve to death after not being exploited, you tend to stick with the former

>>130527582
show me a communist state where the wealth inequality is non-existant. just look at the "capitalist" US and, see the the income inequality in the more socialist states.

>>130527582
The government magically doesn't own everything in real world socialism or communism? It's shooting off the whole leg to spite the below the knee.

>>130526029
marx only believed in class shit because he thought it would let the intelligentsia come to power

>>130527728
no you don't you make it harder for the worker by speaking for them and, shunning if they disagree.

>>130527582
Better than the secret police owning the whole country, and having to wait 6 hours a day in breadlines.

Face it: the standard of living in capitalist countries is a million times superior to the standard of living in communist countries. That is not even debatable.

>>130527226

>but the poor are getting poorer, and the rich are getting richer

do you realize for the first time in human history the problem is not starvation but over eating, in other words we have so much food that people are having problems eating too much, there never been another period where people across the globe had so much stuff

>>130527815
would you rather bootlick your local feudal lord?

>>130526029

top kek at this forced and cringy having a boss = cuckolding argument leftpol has come out with after 3 years of strenuous thinking

>>130526029

NEET for life. Screw work.

>>130527822
norway

>>130528069
>norway
>communist
Why is it always commies on this board who have the lowest intelligence?

>>130527854
government is the people. if government owns something, you own it (together with others).
if capitalists own it, then its not yours

>>130526029
Many Americans descend from Europeans who were literal peasants. Others were fleeing war, famine, or genocide, and America welcomed them and allowed them physical and financial security as long as they conformed 100% to American culture and values and worked hard. They lived in luxury compared to their euroshit counterparts and they grew to love the American way of life because it offered them more than Marxism ever would.

>>130526029
Maybe if Commies weren't all a bunch of larping uni students and didn't want the entire third world to come on over to America because "we're a nation of immigrants" and "you have more in common with a working class black then an upperclass white" then they might be more receptive to your message.

>>130527226
Because it actually works, unlike everything you've tried to build up?
There will always be winner and loser, and it all depends on powerplays, not moneyplays. Those two are the same in a capitalistic system, but not in a communist one, and that is one of your fatal flaws, not recognizing the power play as something essential.
And in healthy capitalism (not in the (((financial))) capitalism, that is), worker's pays goes up just as proportionally as the employer's. Yes, the gap is enlarging, but EVERYONE is getting richer.
Faggots like you would prefer dragging everyone down at the same level of extreme poverty rather than enjoying a nice cozy life as a part of the machinery.

>>130526293
>>130526157
Both of these. They are given just enough with a small chance of gaining slightly more if they work extra hard for their capitalist masters.

>>130527915
how is the worker supposed to speak for himself without unions?

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BETTER DEAD THAN RED

>>130528267
He just quits and finds a new employer. If the treatment is inhuman at a certain company or corporation, the massive leave of employees will force the higher-ups to reconsider their positions

>>130527925
>Face it: the standard of living in capitalist countries is a million times superior to the standard of living in communist countries.
but the standard of living is still worse than in countries with Social market economy, like in Scandinavia

>>130528239
I never understood how you can be a leftist and be pro-immigration.

Immigration literally happens because corporations want to undercut natives' wages. The people who suffer the most from immigration are the working class. Are commies functionally retarded? Or is it that the judaic element of communism can never reconcile itself with nationalism?

>>130527977
that's because of scientific and technological advancement, not because capitalists are such nice guys

>>130528040

capitalism is directly opposed to feudalism for fucks sake, aristocratic rule considered people being part of a cast with social movement next to impossible

a person with skills and tenacity will have a ladder to climb up, getting monetary incentive to push his or hers skills even further

during communism, as I lived through some of it (and don't give me the not real communism argument) children of party members and especially the children of commie terrorists were considered worthy for higher positions more than others. The system had far more feudal traits than today.

>>130528381
Not for long, if they keep importing mudshits by the millions.

>>130528316
Says a fucking leaf

>>130528207
>government is the people
Commies actually believe this.

>>130528434
>Advancement which comes from the economical competition of the capitalist market

>>130528381
Scandinavians don't have a "social market" economy, they're very capitalist.

They have a strong welfare state, but at a price. Norway's is funded by oil money. Sweden's will collapse one day or the other under the stress of the new immigrants. Denmark's I'll admit I don't know much about.

But the middle class American has a way higher standard of living than the middle class Swede. If Sweden was a state in the American union, it would be poorer than Mississippi.

>>130528434

And who paid for the said advancement ?
Who benefits from having a strong middle class capable of buying stuff ?

would you take a wild guess

>>130528267
by finding other employment. I'm not anti-union I am against communist run leftists unions who want to regulate life beyond work.

>>130528183
i would argue that norway is socialist to a degree, and that their model creates much less inequality than in usa

>>130528239
>you have more in common with a working class black then an upperclass white
but this is literally true. don't you realize that capitalists love to divide and conquer, to create race tensions and keep the working class divided?

>>130526029
[pic-related] there's almost no difference, except in capitalism the elite's houses' is closer to being a glass house; send some creeps/stalkers/crazies, paparazzi,creepy anonymous letters over and BAM!, they move.... rinse and repeat til desired results

>>130528247
Look at your own country. While certanly not perfect, it works aswell, and with far less inequality than USA

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>>130528794
it broke :(

>>130528695
No it's not, you fucking moron. It's basically an oil state, like Qatar or Kuwait. Did you know that if you're an ethnic Qatari and get accepted into an American university, then the government pays all your tuition fees? Wow I guess Qatar really mastered socialism!

>>130528784
And nobody cares, nobody makes a tribal connection based solely on material conditions.

>>130528784
Lol, you lefturds are really clueless about race relations aren't you?

>>130526330

Look up:

"The Impossibility of Economic Calculation under Socialism"

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>>130526029
Before revolution:

>Hey guys lets have a revolution so that there can be equality between classes
>Ok, Schlomo you lead the way!

After revolution:
>Hey guys! Why does the party members and intellectuals get all the goods, werent we supposed to be equal?
>Shut up go-, I mean comrade. It sounds like you need to get reeducated through labour.

Communism isnt the only way to bring down big buisiness.

>>130528361
what if all employers meet and agree to pay very low wages to workers?
its a win-win for them, and they get to exploit the worker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel

>>130529004
Like, all employers in all industries? Never happens, delusional retard.

>>130528784
i like diversity, white people r a minority, so i prefer to maintain my ancestry
but i accept those who do what they do
:3

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>>130526029

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>>130527925
>Better than the secret police owning the whole country
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Keep dreaming faggot.

>Marxist intelligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

>>130528473
>during communism, as I lived through some of it (and don't give me the not real communism argument) children of party members and especially the children of commie terrorists were considered worthy for higher positions more than others.
And you think the same doesn't happen in capitalist systems? People will always try to give their children a head-start, no matter the system

>>130529237
The CIA owns the US economy? Whoa, true redpill right there

>>130528521
if you live in a democracy, this is true
your leaders are elected, their legitimacy comes from your vote that you give to them

>>130529245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c

>>130528316

t. cuckitalist under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

>STEAL BREAD FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S MOUTH TO FEED YOURSELF

Awesome system. Super good job humanity.

Way to rise above the apes.

>>130529097
like "porky" wouldn't break his pact to corner the market. if capitalist greed will exploit workers the most def would exploit comptition

>>130529004
Then you can just make a large-scale boycott or go on a strike, you fucking delusionnal retard.
In the end, it's always the people who decide, not the employers. And since the employers can't man the machines themselves or get money without selling goods, you can already imagine how this come crashing down on their heads, right?

>>130529004
if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if i hate you faggots so goddamn much

>>130529322
Communism isn't much of a democracy.

>>130528537
who put a man on the moon, private sector or the big bad government?

>>130529347
Monopolies don't form in free economies, you illiterate retard.

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>>130529288
You're intentionally retarded.

LRN2 LAUNDER MONEY NOOB

>>130528538
>Sweden's will collapse one day or the other under the stress of the new immigrants.
So just be like Sweden, only without the "importing muslims" part

>But the middle class American has a way higher standard of living than the middle class Swede
I seriously doubt this

>>130529392
What supported NASA? Tax money from private enterprise. Stupid nigger.

>>130528499
Calm down coffee swirl.

>>130529392
Private sector who created the rocket parts, mah boi.
God this is so fucking retarded.

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>>130529386

It is true democracy and the realm of freedom.

>>130528582
>And who paid for the said advancement ?
the tax payer
>Who benefits from having a strong middle class capable of buying stuff ?
the strong middle class

>>130529483
>So just be like Sweden, only without the "importing muslims" part
Sweden is a poor country, I don't want to be like them.

>I seriously doubt this
Probably because you're an autist who's never left his mom's basement.

>>130529435
And those two probes got crushed by atmospheric pressure a few minute later.
>commie goods

>>130528830
America has also oil, yet only the rich benefit from US natural resources

Marxism, because Venezuela is doing so well.

>>130529483
>>130529583
But to expound a bit, yes I'd be a bit more favorable to more social welfare if the population was higher IQ.

I think you'd be correct to believe that niggers are a big reason why socialism never took root in America. People realize that niggers are beyond redeemable and that if the government tries to pump money into schemes to uplift them, they will invariably fail, and plunge the economy into disarray.

>>130529336
>uses french words to describe the overlords
>France invented democracy

I think you'll find that term was invented for and by democracy, and in democracy not everything is shared equally.

>>130528848
>>130528876
>>130529116
if you think that white millionairs see you as part of their "tribe", you are mistaken.
to them, you are just as worthless as niggers

>>130529700
Jesus Christ at this point I honestly believe that you have some kind of learning disability.

>>130529700
People in the oil transformation sector are fucking rich man, what the fuck are you rambling about.

>>130529245

>People will always try to give their children a head-start, no matter the system

yes but in a communist system an incompetent party member will give next to insane orders with nor mechanism of control, thus we had Chinese killing traitorous birds for eating party produced grains thus triggering locust swarms and party members deciding the perfect place to build new commie blocks was right on top of major archeological sites

in a capitalist society and incompetent person who got his position via nepotism will be outpaced by a competent one, thus general idiots tend to slide down the social ladder

>>130528040
The answer is fascist ethno states with basic free market principles. BTW NASA was mostly private until it was co opted by JFK in the 60s, also our private sector is the one cleaning our environment not the public sector. We have unions too, and why do billionaires always support these communists?

>>130526029
>didn't actually read Marx
>doesn't know that Marx fucked up basic economics
>>130526714
intentional false equivalency
>>130527226
That's the fault of democratic and socialist principals. Without the globalist migration efforts, countries would have to balance the labor in their own countries more efficiently.
>>130527368
>doesn't understand basic economics
>>130527582
>anon presented an argument that beats mine so I'll mock him
wew. this is really cringy, like all commie threads. It's the super rich owning a fuckton of stuff and the poor being the most well fed in the world v. oligarchs owning everything and putting undesirables in gulags. Which do you think it's better?
>INB4 not real communism
>>130527728
>and people like me organize in political groups to renegotiate that agreement.
people like you are larping faggots that will change nothing for the better
>>130528069
Norway isn't communist. It has a more free market than the US.
>>130528207
The government is not the people in the sense you mean. It's a system of representatives, and inherently flawed.
>>130528434
I'm going to stop destroying your narrative after this, but this comment highlights exactly why you shouldn't even be allowed to vote.
> because of scientific and technological advancement, not because capitalists are such nice guys
Scientific and technological advancement is what Capitalism strives at, and what killed the Soviet Union. Communism and socialism are inherently parasitical. If they don't have a system to feed of off, they will enter into a stage of austerity before collapsing the host. You cannot disprove this, it is economic fact.

A reminder to everyone else:
Sage all leaf post. Sage all commie post. Sage all newflagfags.

>>130529761
And how would a nigger like you know what white millionaires think?

>>130529419
let me guess, "real free economy" has never been tried

>>130526029
I work as a tradesman for a big institution. Am I being exploited?

>>130529350
how can you go on strike if you are unimployed.
unless of course, the workers organize themselves, and those who have a work show solidarity with unemployed workers. almost like an union

>>130529927
Sure they have, and they've prospered pretty much everywhere.

Checkmate, nigger

>>130529927
It has.
It's still working right now while your glorious USSR has collapsed some decades ago.

>>130529947
Are you making more money than a burger flipper? Then yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKRTvHrEJ4

Communists are the biggest fucking autists ever. Theyre so goddamn delusional and stupid, but worst of all, they are intellectual cowards. Every fucking time they continue to push their own understanding of communism (that of course differs from everytime it has been tried) and they will have some of the must retarded assumptions about humans.

>Hurrdurr humans are trained by society to feel greed and the will to survive is a social construct

As long as we have lazy and stupid people, we will have communism. Communism as an ideology boils down to
>"Where is my free shit?"

Marx never had a job, he had maid that he barely paid and he was hated by the working class of his time. Communists today are either total retards with no understanding of human behaviour, or they are "intellectuals" that want to be the new elite.

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>>130529927
No it has but the robber barons bought off politicians and helped establish a central bank. Also why monopolies don't form under free markets is because there is supposed to be competition which is good. Trickle down is bullshit though.

>>130529492
so we agree its good when government taxes private enterprizes, so it can do awesome things like fund the nasa space program?

>>130526029
Because Communism is an unachievable utopia

>>130530176
Yes, I support the space program.

>>130529419
thats what im saying but in commie terms

>>130529727
the problem is not some sort of racial inferiority of blacks
niggers are dumb for the same reason rednecks are dumb, because america has such an underfunded bad education system.

>>130528069
No it isnt you delusional half-ape. Stop being a fucking idiot

>checks flag

Oh, that explains it.

>>130530005
You goddamn idiot.
How can you fail to comprehend basic economics is beyond me.
If you aren't working, you aren't really consuming except to live.
Therefore, you don't really matter.
Not everyone is unemployed, you faggots, those employed by those cartels will stop working (duh), not buy any of their products or buy the minimal amount to survive.
Having an ethnonationalist state helps also in that kind of event because you can actually relate to the working men and unite as one nation against one distinct cartel and build your own, because remember; everything in economy is based on trust. All you have to do to out grow an existing company is to provide more trust with the public and you can easily eat them up.

>>130530181
Communism should just be called "civilian murder time" because everytime it happens tens of millions die usually from lack of food.

>>130529761
This is what I mean, it's a battle you faggots don't have to fight. You can literally just say that immigration is bad and subtly hint that you want to keep the land for their ancestors and you'd end up with loads of support, but no, you need to cuck for the nogs each and every time because they won the oppression olympics.

>>130530331
>And build your own company*

>>130529882
i am curious, do you genuinly believe that i am black, or is it some sort of insult?

>>130530307
>the problem is not some sort of racial inferiority of blacks
Yes, that is exactly the problem.

>muh education
Seriously, are you still a high schooler?

>>130530410
Based on your poor grammar and punctuation I'd say your IQ is definitely low, so the likelihood of you being black is all the greater.

Are you black?

>If you're too retarded to start your own business or succeed via education you should probably just get the same pay as them just cuz. Also they're gonna have to pay for your retardation, and their incentives to work are starvation and staying out of prison.
10 outta 10 economic philosophy ya got there :^)

>>130530307
Yet you look at the rednecks of America and the country still thrive, while the countries in Africa are just the same and are literally shitholes?
Nah, I believe otherwise.

>>130529815
And yet we have political dynasties like the clintons or the bushs in capitalist countries

>in a capitalist society and incompetent person who got his position via nepotism will be outpaced by a competent one
that happens in every society, even in feudalism most dynasties didn't last very long

>>130530538
>"And yet we have political dynasties like the clintons or the bushs in capitalist countries"
>(((financial))) capitalism
There, fixed it for you.

>>130529846
that wouldn't work in america, since it is to racially diverse already

>>130530605
Not if the United States turn into a confederation of ethno-states.

>>130526029
Because...
COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
Why would anyone support something that would only make them even more poor?!

>>130530170
>No it has but the robber barons bought off politicians and helped establish a central bank
so free economy failed?

>>130530006
>>130530013
then how do you explain monopolies in america?

>>130530667
That would be such a fun timeline desu.

>>130530203
good, glad we agree on that one

>>130530698
>hen how do you explain monopolies in america?
Care to cite them?

>>130530341
People die from a lot of reasons: imperialism, exploitation, natural famine, capitalism, etc.
Please provide an example of communism DIRECTLY causing deaths. You can't. Read Marx.

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>>130526029
> exploitation
Meme, created with the help of anti-scientific theory. Labout theory of value was rejected in 1890's and yet here we are, 2k17 and somebody STILL uses this shit.

Pls google "what microeconomic textbooks should I read", it will help a lot.

>>130530331
>those employed by those cartels will stop working
and then they aren't working, they arent consuming except to live, so they dont really matter, and the capitalists will let them starve to death

>Hey lets murder all the people who figured out how to run businesses and make money and then spread that money around lmao

>>130530788
>Please provide an example of communism DIRECTLY causing deaths. You can't.
lmao

>>130530698
Monopolies are a cancer created by (((financial))) capitalism. In chartered capitalism, there is literally nothing to fear from corporations since they are already chained to their own legal obligations to the gov't, which usually imply that they are to be confined to a certain area of distribution/selling, that the products they sell are specific, etc.
The American Civil War, built by the people who wanted slavery to end, birthed the monsters. Say thankee to Papa Lincoln for me.

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>>130528830
Cuba's successes is another example.

>>130530345
i am not sure who are you refering to, but i am certanly not for removing the borders or something.
for example, i do believe that the big business likes illegal mexican immigrants, because they undercut american workers and create a race to the bottom

>>130526747
GREAT ARGUMENT FELLOW PEDE

SHOW THESE LEFTIST KEKS

PRAISE KEK!

>>130530956
Yeah Cuba is such a fucking paradise

>>130531011
That's why we send them our old rusty school buses so that they have scraps to make taxis from.
Lmao, Cuba is fucking pathetic desu.

>>130530478
poor grammar and punctuation is a sign of low IQ?
Man, you should tell it those dumb scientists who create all those complicated IQ tests when they just could test for grammar

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>>130526029
It's not exploitation, it's called getting a job. It's voluntary and you should try it.

>>130530203
Why should the tax payers pay NASA to not work when entrepreneurs like Elon Musk will take risks at his own expense?

>>130529764
Says the snake
>>130529761
This, for all the people who think of this as a race/ethnicity problem

>>130530844
You obviously don't understand that capitalist have at least the foresight to not starve to death their primary source of revenues. Unlike Stalin.

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>>130530956
An amazing country no doubt. It went from being a very well to do nation under capitalism to a shithole.

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>>130530534
white countries can be shitholes too

>>130531231
Name a successful black country.

>>130531231
A lot of those white shitholes are former Communist countries like Ukraine.

>>130531011
Are you implying these advances were pointless?

>>130530747
http://www.therichest.com/business/companies-business/six-enormous-monopolies-past-and-present/

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I'm an exploited tradesman that makes 110k a year. I need a commie to save me.

>>130531147
>Why should the tax payers pay NASA to not work when entrepreneurs like Elon Musk will take risks at his own expense?
The amount of expenditure necessary to send men on the moon was far far more than was available to private enterprise. Iirc it was around 10% of the whole federal budget.

But anyways, it's true that NASA today is a joke, especially since Obongo took over, and are now more concerned with "community outreach programs" than sending men on Mars. I'm all for defunding it. However NASA in the 60s was legit.

>>130531231
>Ukraine
>Fucked over by gommie for years
>"IT'S A WHITE SHITHOLE GUYS"
No it's not you fucking asshole, YOU guys ruined Ukraine, not Ukraine itself.

>>130530969
You're literally the first commie that I've heard say that, are you some sort of national bolshevik or something?

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>>130531208
yes, they rather let them work to death, before exchanging them for new workers

>grow up a poor kid who would benefit from communism
>Hand me downs from older cousins bought 2 years ago from good will poor
>Work my nuts off and become middle class
>Spend college getting an electrical/comp engineering degree while listening to psych and social majors talk about communism
>They never make the connection that they are the ones that get dragged out and shot if a communist revolution happens

I have literally never met a commie that would be better off under communism. Its always middle class kids that think they would be some upper level bureaucrat in some do nothing position towing the party line.

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>>130530956
So... this is... the power of failed economy being boosted by Soviet Union....huh...impressive...

>>130531358
who do you mean by "you"?

>>130531147
At what proof do you have of OP not being a worker?
Also, how do you propose leftists gained this much knowledge by sitting at home?

>>130531443
Unless they do just what I've explained they should do in my previous posts :
>>130528361
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>>130530331
Don't spin this in a circle, because it isn't, faggot.

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Hark ! I'm an exploited tradesman that makes 110k a year. I need communism to redistribution more of my money to lazy neets.

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>>130531334
Point taken, the space race was good for national spirit.
>>130531366
This kid is going to be a national socialist in 6 months.

>>130531636
>Has a commie flag
>Defends the right of the workers to unite and seize the means of production

>>130529419
They sure don't, top kek, The idea that free market regulates itself is delusional mate

>>130531303
>American Telephone And Telegraph
Litreally created by US government.
http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/11/we-could-have-had-cellphones-f/
>Monsanto
Also created by US government, because both Dems and Reps are against >GMO and lobby hard to prevent such companies from emerging.

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>all these cucks defending capitalism

>>130531366
I am not a communist, i am a socialist.
i believe in unions and thus i am against undercutting unions by importing illegal foreign labour

>>130526029
Why do you not kill yourself?

>>130531779
>(((financial capitalism)))
>Not chartered capitalism the way Adam Smith pictured it
You are a disgrace to this Earth. Get in the helicopter you fucking faggot.

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>>130526029
Maybe because they don't like the idea of gulags and mass starvation.

>>130531663
However, of course nowadays it would be easier to escaoe such treatment under more laws put in place, to promote 'ethical capitalism'

>>130531725
i am sorry, there is no socialist flag to choose from

>>130531663
then how comes exploitation of worker happend historically, and is still happening to this day?
you have nice theories, but it is obvious that they don't work in real life

>>130530788
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Eat a dick you commie scum

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>>130526029
Karl Marx lived off his Daddy's money his whole life & conned a bunch of utopian fools into thinking his parasitic lifestyle was an actual basis of government.

Eventually someone has to pay the bills, and that's when the oppression & empty bellies happen.

You need to move to the socialist paradise of Venezuela..... Enjoy your bread lines!!!!

>>130531766
>muh free economy has never been tried

>>130531988
Elaborate on this, please, I am curious and your statement is vague.

>>130531967
>bad things happend in soviet union, thats why we should get cucked by or corporal overlords

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>>130531932
Make me leaf

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>>130531793
Exploited tradesman here, making 110k a year. How can you save me from exploitation?

>>130532105
Back then, in the 18th and 19th centuries, capitalism was still relatively new, and free to exist without any restrictions. Thus allowing the factory owners, for example, to treat the worker with even less dignity

>>130532350
>the world revolves around me

>>130530933
I am not sure I understood you
are you saying that slavery was a good thing?

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>>130532350
I don't wanna save you, I wanna save the people who live in poverty

>>130532103
>strawman
What a retard. But I wouldn't expect from economically illiterate retard to know that under free market monopolies are created only by government.

>>130532396
Obvious bait

>>130532522
so america is not a "real free economy"?

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>>130526029
>by the big business?

by the government.

when will u leftist subhumans ever comprehend ...

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>>130532396
Exploited tradesman making 110k a year again. You wanna play hard to get eh? Or maybe you dodge questions because you are full of shit. You are a parasite neet.

>>130532022
You're not exploited. At least not when you have free will, and you always have, you fucking animal.
If you are, then you obviously have failed as a virtuous human being to enter a two-sided contract through sheer ignorance or lack of willpower.
The main causes of "exploitation" is because there are sheeple ignorant enough to enter contracts which are at their disadvantages. And if they continue to live off of this, then it is their right as human beings. But they are not exploited.
>>130532386
Yes. But during the 18th century, and straight after the Civil War, the idea of a "legal person" emerged, idea which would lead to the concept of financial capitalism that we see today.
If we would have prevented the apparition of that idea, the backers of each companies would have been responsible for the treatments of the human beings under their invested capitals, and the first great trials would have been a great incentive for ethical capitalism.
Instead, however, when such lawsuits occur, it is indeed the employees who feel it the most, since it's the COMPANY'S CAPITALS that the lawsuit implies is necessary to pay. Hence, injustice.
>>130532401
Yes, it was.
Any man weak enough to be enslaved and to bear that collar deserve his fate.

>>130532749
without government, you would literally be a slave of feudal lords

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>>130532819
so, if communist take over and send you to gulag, you would be ok with that, since you were weak enough to be enslaved?

>>130532862
I prefer the term "vassals", because that's what it would be in a feudal society.
A vassal promise his fidelity and his army's in exchange for protection and other rights, which is not slavery, but, again, a mutual collaboration

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>>130526029
Better question
Why after 150+ years people still listen to Rabbi Marx?

>>130526029
Because it isn't exploitation you subhuman nigger. It's a boluntary engagement between two parties. You point to the discrepancy between profit and wages. But the employer takes on a tremendous amount of risk and responsibility for building and maintaining the facility and the business where the work takes place. The employer has to take the loans, select and maintain the facility, obtain all neccessary forms of insurance/bonding, purchase all the equipment, provide and administer all the benefits, ensure legal compliance, create marketing, oversee distribution, etc, etc. The employee just shows up, walks into the middle of all this and does his job (which may be very rudimentary and braindead).

If you don't see how the owner of a bottling plant is entitled to more money than the HS dropout who comes in from 9-5 to put caps on the bottles, you're just a fucking retard.

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>>130532789
>making 110k a year again

Good for you. Not relevant though, plenty of people are exploited under capitalism, how much you personally make has nothing to do with it

>>130532949
If I don't deserve it, I would rather die by cops than be tossed into a cell or in a work camp for the rest of my life

>>130532976
vassals were a small "middle class" in feudal society.
The overwhelming majority of population were serfs who were basically slaves

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Just reminding you that everybody in the USA is degenerate. Com, nazi, black, white, cuck, alpha, rep, dem.

World would be a better place if you were all gone.

>>130526029
apathy, stupidity, ignorance, take your pick

>>130533074
They were vassals themselves.
They promised to work the land and provide their county in exchange for their lord's protection of their homestead, families and goods.

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>>130532862
That's literally what we are now, you absolute retard. We rent everything we own from the state. Without a government, we'd actually own our property

>>130533024
then how comes the difference between rich and poor is growing in USA?

>>130526029
I fucking hate commies. If you're alive in the west now, even if poor you have access to better nutrition, healthcare and technology than at any other point in history. Do you know how that happened? Capitalism. You have no fucking idea what it would have been like to work a coal mine or as a peasant farmer so don't you fucking dare claim that you "know what's best" for the working class. You lot are ignorant and fucking stupid, dangerously so. If I had my way, every single one of you Red bastards would be executed tomorrow.

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>>130532484
But but I'm exploited working for a big bad institution! How can communism help me make more than 110k a year. I'm so exploited comrade. Where is the unity! Why do you forsake me! I'm the working class!

>>130526029
We don't, just like we don't welcome our oppression by a bunch of sociopath communists.

>>130532696
>another strawman
Wow, it's like commieretards don't even know that there are no Ancapistans in this world and every country's economy is regulated to a some extent. I guess it's an eye-opener for you, friendo. America has more economic freedom that the most countries, yeah. But economic freedom isn't measured by taxes only, becuase heavy government regulations on the Internet industry we have worse ISPs than in fucking Ukraine, Russia and other postsoviet countries where there is little to none ISPs regulations.

>>130533175
vassals were military personel, serfs were farmers
you can compare vassals to low level mafia enforces, while serfs are the local business that have to pay protection money

At this point I'm convinced communism hinges entirely on emotional language.

>>130533244
>Do you know how that happened?
Scientific and technological progress

>>130533244
Reminder that without socialist ideas and unions you wouldn't have paid holidays or weekends

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>>130532819
You make valid points in relation to my post, yet praise slavery, as a 'result' of victims not being tough enough to rebel successfully. I'm disapointed to hear this

>>130533246
i can't help you. but i can help many people less fortunate than you are

>>130526714
Except we're not. I just went to the capitalist grocery store yesterday and bought 5lbs of flour and some yeast. Ill be eating fresh bread in a few hours after it is done rising.

>>130533244

In the Soviet Union it would've been a salt mine.

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>>130533302
>Wow, it's like commieretards don't even know that there are no Ancapistans in this world
but there is

>>130533438
>>130533414
Reminder that you have never worked a day in your lives so go crawl back into your little fantasy world where you're a party Commisar sticking it to the evil rich.

>>130533136
Contribution to the thread, or name-calling. Take your pick

>>130526029
>Why do so many American working class people welcome their exploitation by the big business?

Because they get their money.
Because they are free to do whatever they want with that money.
Because competition is healthy for society.
Because they don't want to starve in a gulag.

Now stop shitposting SVEN.
Go back to sucking rapefugee cocks.

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>>130533208
>that pic

sweet jesus i can only get so erect

>>130533610
>civil war is ancapistan
Might as well call it communist paradise:
1) No ruling class
2) Guns
3) Class warfare 24\7

What a retard, jesus.

>>130533361
Considering the state of the world until the end of the Renaissance, where roaming warbands of bandits and renegades were a thing, where there was always a Muslim invasion ongoing (if you lived near the Mediterranean), where there were Tatars and other nomadic threats (if you lived in Eastern Europe) or Viking raid (if you lived in northern Europe, I think the system was pretty much fucking justified.
>inb4 serfs were treated like crap
Only by the end of the Middle Ages. The Church and the Aristocracy glorified the peasants in their Order of God, making them the equals of the Noblemen and Men of God philosophically.
Plus Jesus said that they'd inherit the Earth, so they were really happy when the local clerc kept telling them that.

>>130527582
There isnt property rights in communism so you wont even get to own the stale bread you keep crying about, nor will you ever own your own country. You become property of government.

SOCIAL ACHIEVEMENTS USSR :

First and totally FREE public education system, which achieved the highest rates of literacy in history in the 15 Soviet republics.

Moreover, Soviet schools offered free food for students, so the work-life balance is made much easier than today in the capitalist countries. Even kindergartens were also free.

First FREE and universal health care system, which increased the life expectancy of the Soviets, less than 40 years in 1917, to reach Western levels in 80 (70 years). The achievements of hunger eradication and health systems can also compare with the average height of the Soviets in 1917 (1,60 m) to 1980 (1,80 m). This health system discovered painless childbirth and performed the first organ transplant.

Between 1945 and 1964, the Soviet national income grew by 570%, compared to 55% in the USA (and remember that the USSR was not a Marshal Plan to help the country)
Invention of evening studies so that workers could build careers.

First country in history where abortion was legal and free (since 1920)

First country in history to achieve an
unemployment rate at 0%

Equality policies, one of the first countries to adopt women's suffrage

First woman in history to hold a position in a government (Aleksandra Kollontai)

>>130533653
>Reminder that you have never worked a day in your lives

Nice assumption. Yes I have worked since I was 17 and have been a member of a union. I grew up in a poor working class area too.

>>130533229
Because globalization and technology are putting people out of work faster than they can adapt. And the wealthy are converting their money into political power (e.g. Citizens United). If this is what you mean by exploitation, then I'm more sympathetic to your argument. But if you're advancing the jackass theory that profit is theft, then you can go fuck off.

>>130533610
Somalia has a nigger problem. The wild west was essentially ancap and whites still got shit done.

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>>130533208
>we'd actually own our property

Ancaps are almost always millenials who've grown up in the "you can do anything!" generation, so they actually believe they'd live like pic related if it were to happen (which it never will). Like uhmmm, no sweetie, a few oligarchs and jews would own all the land and you'd be a pathetic slave to them with no rights because you'd be on their property.

>>130533244
>Ignorant
Have you ever done much research into this yourself?

>>130528207
Tell that to the Chinese peasants who are told what to say and think by the government. Funny how it isn't the opposite.

>>130528212
europeans have a vastly better standard of living now compared to americans

>>130533458
Sorry to hear that buddy. But I've gotta add something.
No one should be "born" into slavery, however.
I believe that this is something inherently wrong. You can't expect a child to have enough willpower to refuse the only life he would have ever known.

>>130533789
>Considering the state of the world until the end of the Renaissance, where roaming warbands of bandits and renegades were a thing, where there was always a Muslim invasion ongoing (if you lived near the Mediterranean), where there were Tatars and other nomadic threats (if you lived in Eastern Europe) or Viking raid (if you lived in northern Europe, I think the system was pretty much fucking justified.
I agree, feudalism is better than anarchy, capitalism is better than feudalism, and social market economy is better than capitalism

>>130533828
So you're working class and stupid then. Realise that the only reason you fancy yourself a communist is class envy and your lack of power in your own life. You're a weak pathetic person that feels he needs to punish those with more than him under the guise of "fairness".

>>130533805
of course you can own bread in communism

>>130527226
God damn it nigger.
Are you poor when you can afford to buy I-phones and spend money on brand clothes?

Stop being a NEET twat, get a job and save money on your bank account.
If you want more money be better at your job, invest in learning a new line of work that pays better or open up your own buisness.

Fucking whiny African-Gay-Womens-Art Students.
Lear a trade job if you even qualify for that.

And if you like Communism so much then please just move to China or North Korea.

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>>130533460
You're a commie that can't help this exploited worker make more than 110k a year. Gee I guess I'll just better myself without you. I'll continue to invest in myself, seems to work just fine without some faggot commie pinko scum neet like you. KILL YOURSELF COMMIE JEW BOY.
YOU CAN'T HELP SHIT!

>>130533936
The millions dead from every attempt at that shit system is testament enough fuck face.

>>130533850
I just think that working class people should organize to fight for their interests.
I want unions and a strong lobby for workers, not sending capitalists to gulag

>>130534049
china is communist in name only

>>130534163
I'm a democratic socialist

>You're a weak pathetic person that feels he needs to punish those with more than him

Not an argument

>>130534152
No, what I mean is that this system was better than any other according to circumstances and the technological level of Early Medieval Europe.
Capitalism wouldn't have worked, and neither would have socialism, because it was an ERA OF WARLORDS and without any hint of constitutional rights, the things both of those systems actually can't cope with.

>>130534252
it doesn't bother you that many people in your country live in absolute poverty?

>>130526029
Are you the same LARPing faggot who tries to push communism on a board that literally laughs in your face every time you mention communism? Do you forget that capitalism gave us the Internet and the computers to allow us to talk to each other this way? It is quite literally better to slave away making money with the CHANCE to get a head in life than it is to be stuck where you are permanently because your dictator says so. You have the freedom in capitalism to make or break yourself, you have the freedom to move up in life, communism allows none of that because "everyone is equal." I am not equal to the person next to me and I never will be, what they make doesn't belong to them and what they make doesn't belong to me. Manifest Destiny motherfucker, make yourself or break yourself you fucking commie piece of shit.

>>130534307

what are you going to do with capitalists that want to kill you, let them roam free?

>>130534307
Ok, sounds good to me. I'm a union worker, and proud to be one.

>>130534338
Here we go with the "not real communism" meme they trot out.

>>130526029
> American working class people welcome their exploitation by the big business?
Bid business just wants your labour, commies want your soul and labour

>>130534343
but since technology keeps on advancing, we should always look for new society systems
who knows, maybe even communism will work one day

>>130534433
>Do you forget that capitalism gave us the Internet and the computers to allow us to talk to each other this way?
internet was created by big government

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>>130534433

Capitalists are they own gravediggers, they sell us the tools that we will use to hang them.

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>>130534421
The best way to help poor people is to not be one.

>>130534440
send them to jail for attempted murder?

>>130534515
Which is why I'm not glorifying Feudalism but capitalism, the ultimate economical system. I was saying that in context, feudalism was the best system Medieval Europe could use.

>>130534565
The internet was created by people selling their labor. You mad commie?

>>130534565
And the government that made it was American, a CAPITALIST government. Why don't you show us which country you come from instead of hiding behind a dead flag?

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>>130534495
was hre roman empire?

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>>130534515
>maybe even communism will work one day
Did you accidentally drink anti-freeze last night? or is that you Bernie?

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>>130534453
Nice. For some reason it seems that a lot of Americans don't view unions favourably anymore

>>130534630
>send them to jail for attempted murder?

The police is on their side.

>>130534790
because then you will use ad hominem attacking my country, ignoring my arguments

>>130534768
internet was created as communication tools between universities

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>>130527641
True. Have a groovy Hitler

>>130534125
yes, for about 3 decades, until it implodes in on itself. They said the same shit about Venezuela. The systems are already on the verge. With younger voters increasing debt, it will accelerate.

>>130534794
Not really :
>Not a centralized state
>German and not Latin in culture
>Catholic and not Chalcedonian
>Feudal system instead of Slaves/Great land owner system
>Doesn't respect the authority of the Pope, making it unholy in catholic standard (and yes, they were catholics)
Literally a shit-tier example, try again.

>>130534820
Because Unions have become a political vehicle and will buy and sell their members for power, even in some cases negotiating pay cuts. Almost like actual communists! How do I know this? I'm a union member.

>>130535033
so we agree that just because a country calls itself communist/roman, it doesn't mean that it is communist/roman?

america needs to be rebuilt from tje ground up. our cities are populated with shitty wood houses so it wouldnt be a monumental undertaking. old wood houses are health hazards and waste energy that needs to be better conserved not only to benefit americans with lower energy running costs but to help mitigate climate change when a modern house built with sound materials doesnt need a central air conditioner to run all day long like an older wooden home did i mention health hazards? like mold or lead plumbing aesbestos etc

>>130534993
Do a google search for "nhs collapse" and see your glorious future

>>130534831
then reform the police

>>130526029
Why there is still people thinking communism is good?

>>130527641
are you serious? are you that new to the internet? How does a natsoc not know that pic?

>>130534933
The internet was created by people selling their labor mate. They probably couldn't have invented it if they were press ganged into digging holes and filling them in again or breaking rocks for a loaf of bread.

>>130535105
China still upholds socialist standards, making a "People's Republic"
Beside, they're maoist/stalinist, so they're just an off-shoot of your degenerate ideal system, while the Holy Roman Empire was basically something entirely different than its predecessor.

>>130535149

How? I don't think you can do this revolution in white gloves.

>>130534933
I'm already ignoring a majority of your arguments because they have no basis in reality. Your ideology simply doesn't work among humans without brute force, then it becomes muh not real communism. I've seen these talking points so much that it's almost muscle memory to refute them on the basis that your ideology does not work whatsoever each and every time it has been tried.

>>130535243
wtf are you even talking about?
the commercialization of internet is a relativly new phenomen.

>>130534421
the vast majority chose to be in poverty by being absolute retards and making poor life decisions. And then the state pays and rewards them for being poor, cementing their status as subhumans

pathetic

>>130535270
china is a state-capitalism that calls itself communist
i thought this is a generally accepted fact

>>130535321
Civil right movement managed to be successful without violence

>>130535149
People in America are poor by choice. Commies choose to be losers. Marx didn't pay his own maid. He was a debtor, and defaulted. That's right Marx the champion of the worker, didn't work, and didn't pay his own workers. FUCK BOY COMMIES HIDE THE TRUTH BY OMMISION. BTW I'm a worker that makes 110k a year, I'm exploited help me.

>>130535489
They produce for other state-capitalism, but saying they are capitalist just shows how much of an ignorant fuck you are.
They are a socialist """""republic""""".

>>130535368
fair enough
i wish that you or your loved ones will never come to experience such poverty

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>>130535368
>the vast majority chose to be in poverty
>people really believe this

dude why doesn't everyone just pull themselves up by their bootstraps lmao

>>130535321
Those people who invented the internet were able to do so because they were paid with money that allowed them to buy goods and services. They succeded under a capitalist system whereas tge greatest example of communist society is now ruled by oligarchs. If you could name one succesful example of a communist country I might take you and your stupid ideology seriously.

>>130535606
is china communist or socialist? or are those the same for you?

>>130528264
If that's us then your situation is fucked

>>130535687
>Implying I'd love anyone that has the ability to become such a weight on society
>Implying I wouldn't leave my kids in the streets if they were 30 years old and shouting about "muh capitalism is the reason I'm unemployed".
I would beat his ass first, thought.

>>130535723
Because they get seduced by commies.

>>130535795
China is not communist anymore, but they still trying to emulate marxist doctrine.
It deserves to be called both, though they are neither, "purely".
China is one heck of a fuck-up. It's working on borrowed time, right now.

>>130535687
good and I wish you the same.

>>130535723
>his skillset is so shit he can only earn minimum wage

typical commie lmfao. git gud you nigger

>>130535871
>i will let my kids starve to death, thus eradicating my dna from human genpool
>but hey, at least i serve my corporal overlords
cuck

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>>130527368
i am the one cucking you senpai enjoy

Capitalism is the only system that *just works*™. Seriously, in our current stage of capitalism, the government exists to protect us(the people), from us(the corporations). Except everyone plays for both teams. It is a system that thrives organically through competition and merit, with no guarantees. You literally can not defeat capitalism, it pulled the whole world by it's tied legs disgustingly far technologically, and will exponentially continue to do so.

>>130536107
>He'd die first, preferring death by no-gimmiedats to being a productive member of society

>>130536127
Then this particular kid is not fir to be carrying on my DNA
>he's implying I wouldn't have more than one or two kids
Fucking hell, do you think I'm some sort of liberal or something, by what I've said?

>>130526029
Democrats are loyal to a fault.

>>130536209
good. parasites and leeches are better off dead

>>130532484
>I don't wanna save you, I wanna save the people who live in poverty

then get off your lazy ass and go help poor people! u socialist/commie fucks think your so self righteous. funny thing is, you could start a business in a capitalist economy, with your marxist buddies, and give all your money to poor people directly. but you wont because (insert excuse here).

lazy incompetent fucks

>>130536315
>All of this happening in financial capitalism
>Impyling (((they))) want the poverty rate to change in the system (((they)))'ve built
Fucking pathetic bait desu
>Number 6
Good riddance

>>130526029
Boss exploiting employes is ok, you would never employ someone if there's no benefit to be made.. Problem is the banking/speculative system, those how make loads of money on the back of hardworkers with no other skills than being alredy rich. That's the issue of capitalim sytem right now.

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>>130536602
>He doesn't mention that it was a social and not an economical collapse that killed the USSR
Again, pretty fucking pathetic. The people got tired of gommunism and living in intergenerational shit, so they overthrew /yourguys/, deal with it.

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>>130536903
Until they seen what happened under captialism

>>130537077
>Twenty five years after the fall of the Berlin Wall
>Implying it's not a cuckold generation of young betas that voted in that /pol/
They know nothing of communism, stalinism, maoism and trotskism. It's all shit in practice, and they just ignore it.

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>>130537077

>>130536315
$22.000 a year is poverty in america top kek this can go far if you are smart with money

>>130537471
They don't call them the "Land of Opportunities" for nothing.
There were a lot of people who started off even worse in American history and became respectable businessmen.

>>130531443
Are you implying people were not forced to work until death in communist countries?

Mao had people melting iron and creating steel instead of actually growing food. So of course all these working class people starved to death instead. The steel created was so worthless so it could not be used for anything and could not even be sold. Wow such a working class hero.

>>130537360
>>Implying it's not a cuckold generation of young betas that voted in that /pol/

nope

The Soviet Union was dissolved 22 years ago, on December 26, 1991. It’s widely believed outside the former republics of the USSR that Soviet citizens fervently wished for this; that Stalin was hated as a vile despot; that the USSR’s socialist economy never worked; and that the citizens of the former Soviet Union prefer the life they have today under capitalist democracy to, what, in the fevered parlance of Western journalists, politicians and historians, was the repressive, dictatorial rule of a one-party state which presided over a sclerotic, creaky and unworkable socialist economy.
None of these beliefs is true.

https://gowans.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/seven-myths-about-the-ussr/

>>130528384
It doesn't matter as long as they can look at a bunch of brown people walk past and flash them a thumbs, working class be damned

>>130537471
>$22.000 a year is poverty in america top kek this can go far if you are smart with money

and all those poor people are fat slobs eating super-sized meals while posting about it on instagram with their new iphone. yea its sooo bad here for the poor.

fucking 1st world ppl have no idea about real poverty.

>>130537697
>Myth #1. The Soviet Union had no popular support.
>Myth #2. Russians hate Stalin.
Decades of Societ propaganda on the man tends to warp the local population's viewpoint, even with the truth in front of you.
>Myth #3. Soviet socialism didn’t work.
Oh no, that worked just as well as Cuba. The Cuba outside of La Havana, twenty years ago.
>Myth #7. If citizens of the former Soviet Union really wanted a return to socialism, they would just vote it in.
Now that's no myth. If not vote, they could at least overthrow the gov't in power. Which the Bolsheviks did.
So why won't they, then? Because it would take them out of their comfort zone, meaning they are comfortable, and DON'T want it to return.

>>130538200
I forgot the most important part
>Myth #3. Soviet socialism didn’t work.
>No recession, always at full employment
Employment was enforced throught law or the threat of the gulags, and there was no recession because money was exchanged for govt favor.

>>130538200
>and DON'T want it to return.

The majority do though, as evident by multiple polls

>How dare he use facts on /pol/!!

>>130538457
Oh sure, they SAY they do.
But I don't see any major uprising or even hint of it in Russia.
Seems like bogus to me.

>>130538571
This is answered in the article pretty well

>A Russian return to socialism is far more likely to come about the way it did the first time, through revolution, not elections—and revolutions don’t happen simply because people prefer a better system to the one they currently have. Revolutions happen when life can no longer be lived in the old way—and Russians haven’t reached the point where life as it’s lived today is no longer tolerable.

>>130535541
You might be brainwashed. The civil rights movement was a bloody conflict that rages on to this day. According to BLM the civil rights movement was a failure, and they got Trump elected when they burned an 8 year old white boy to death during a riot in 2016.