id like to know are there any good arguments for a social welfare

you gotta give people stuff because they're sheeple and will just die if you leave them alone

>>130514504
nonsense

AFAIK the British socialist state was set up to increase productivity among the working class who were always off sick with TB or malnutrition.

>>130514672
no but seriously if you don't give them money they just do crime instead

>>130514698
but does it increase net productivity of the country as a whole`? it seems like some placebo like donating money to african children to help them survive 1 week longer

>>130514444
Welfare, socialized healthcare and free education can work wonders if people as a whole uphold a high standard of behavior within their societies. When you have a bunch of unemployed somalians in your country who can barely read in their own damn language and believe in the most backwards religion out there, you can't expect leftist policies to work.

>>130515131

this

>>130515131
but you dont need to force people to do that. if you have such a high standard and behavior, you'll just need communities (religious or not) which act like an welfare aid

>>130515052
When it was set up welfare was for poor white dock workers.
>>130515294
That's informal and not as effective as a government programme.

>>130515294
and thats what the welfare state is, a tight community at a national level - it requires high trust though

>>130514444
it's often cheaper to give free housing and food to people with counsiling on how to get a job etc than it is to just say fuck it and have them commit crime which could damage property / hurt people costing hundreds of thousands, then throw them in prison to house and feed them anyways.

Only in a white state. Even then it can't be on a fiat house of cards with globalist kikes controlling the banks and media. After those conditions are all met we can have muh discussion

>>130515595
"informal" is my whole point. No one should force you to pay for some gypsies on welfare.
>>130515636
No in a welfare state you'll be forced at gunpoint. In a tight community you dont have to obey. Thats a huge difference

>>130515927
thats not cheaper

>>130514444
>that picture
Kill yourself, you human garbage.

>>130516082
then I don't know what you mean by 'welfare state'.
In Denmark we call our social system a 'welfare state' and I haven't been forced to pay high taxes or recieve free healthcare at 'gun point'

>>130516213
yes it is?

>>130516551
so what happens when you dont pay your taxes?
>>130516731
giving free housing and food with counsiling to every refugee cheaper than a few people in a prison facility?
think about that sentence again..
also ridiculous assume that everyone without a job will go rob a bank or commit some crime

>>130516551
Don't pay your taxes and see what happens, lel

It's funny how proponents for the welfare state portrait themselvs as benevolent when they in reality use indirect force to steal from you for their failed ideas

>>130517555
my thoughts exactly. this thread seems to be full with brainwashed socialists