>The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about

>>130492346
>Get rid of slaves
>Cotton industry collapses

Defend this, Republicans.

>>130492346
We would just subsidize the loss.

>>130492470
>>130492508
enjoy paying 100 dollars for a cucumber and gallon of milk

>>130492508
Fuck no. I don't want any more of my tax dollars going to millionaire farmers.

>>130492586
Jokes on you, I grow my own cucumbers and don't drink milk.

>>130492346
Oh no, those evil farmers might actually have to pay their workers a decent wage.
Whatever shall we do?

>>130492346
>deport illegals
>hire the homeless to do jobs illegals were doing
I just solved two problems at once.

>>130492470

This so much. Liberals crack me up, bunch of fucking hypocrites. They don't want to give us their housekeepers and pool cleaners that they can pay $10 a day either.

And the industry would be fine. Even for foods that are more delicate and complicated to pick, automation isn't very far away. Only reason it hasn't taken over yet is because of the supply of cheap labor.

Think paying a bit more for produce is a fair price to pay for fewer illegals leeching off the system, more skilled labor and engineering jobs held by legal residents to design, built, and maintain robotics, etc.

Agriculture will not collapse. There are almost no illegal workers [or non-whites] in places like North Dakota, which is #1 in wheat, honey, and a bunch of other stuff.

I've driven through the "farmland" in Southern California. That's the only place that actually "hires" these illegal workers, and the way they do farming is completely absurd. It's ridiculously inefficient; they are irrigating deserts using subsidized water. They are paying people to walk around in the muddy rows of vegetables and shit on the plants.

A lot - I mean a _lot_ - of great things would come from America shutting off the stupid economic stimulus that makes southern California an "agriculture center". It's a giant money sink and it is being used as a wedge to allow a constant stream of brown undertow into the country.

Meanwhile, the descendants of Germans and Scandinavians in the Midwest have been getting bigger yields with bigger, American built machines, and no immigrant help, for years and years and years.

Also, the price of milk would also not skyrocket. Most modern dairy operations are completely automated and have almost no human labor. California does NOT have the majority of US milk production. Anyone hiring illegals to work in dairys is way outdated. They are hurting our country economically and demographically.

>>130492780
>they takin er jobz and lowering er wagez
wrong.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/soej.v81.4/issuetoc

>>130492780
>hire the homeless
there's a reason they're homeless

>>130493176

Because all the low skill jobs are taken by illegals who will work for pennies?

>>130492346
God forbid they have to pay a living wage. The hypocrisy of you liberals.

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>>130492346
The liberal bureaucracy defending itself as usual. I wish Trump completely purged the government when he got into office, but I guess I understand why that would've been a bad idea politically.

I really wish Bannon can do more with his promised destruction of "the administrative state."

>milk would be $3/gallon instead of $1.89/gallon
>illegals would all be removed

This sounds great to me. When do we start the purge?

>>130492470
fpbp

>>130492346

Maybe the agriculture industry should be explaining why they hire so many illegal immigrants. Pretty sure that shit is illegal.

>>130493059
>North Dakota, which is #1 in wheat, honey, and a bunch of other stuff

Yeah because growing grain and harvesting grain totally the same as growing and harvesting fruits and vegetables

>>130492346
Good.

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>>130493059

This guy.

>>130492346
But the wages will go up, with medical insurance and retirement packages and shiet, so that /The_Donald/ NEETs will fight for those agriculture jobs!

>>130492586

Worth it to get rid of the spics.

>>130492346
Ultimately in the long run, this will be economically beneficial as workers who pay TAXES will be ushered in to take these jobs. This industry will be forced to pay fair wages and will probably have to undergo much reform.

Why is this a bad thing? I agree, it would be too much of a shock to deport all immigrants at once but that is not realistic and will never happen. If anything, it will be a slow trickle out beaners back to Mexico or whatever shithole they came from.

Pay your taxes beaners. Stop sending your kids to school on our dime. No more free healthcare for you. You can no longer sleep on America's couch for free and you're mad about it. Get over it.

>>130492346
SAGE THIS SLIDE THREAD

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>Lefties say doubling minimum wage won't cause job losses
>Lefties say increasing agricultural wages will cause mass starvation and death

So you're saying that they'll have to actually employ citizens and follow the rules like everyone else?
Wow i fucking hate laws and borders and shit now

>>130493059
Oh a rural voter has driven past some farms--- everything is ok folks!! Cletus has got this one

>>130494267

Really activates the almonds, huh anon?

>>130494267

very good point

how do we unionize illegal immigrants

>>130492470
This.

Low income workers are not needed in agriculture to the degree we have them. Automation is not just coming, it's already here. These low income "migrants" are only slowing down the automation that socialists claim to love so much.

We don't need low income migrant labor, they need their income.

>>130492346
wtf I love slaves now

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>>130494416
>how do we unionize illegal immigrants

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>>130492346
>'we should give fast food workers better wages so they're not literally reliant on government aid to survive'
>'fuck you commie not paying more for my burger'
>'we should fire all the illegal spics working in our crop fields because all our businesses are corrupt as shit, but it'll spike prices pretty badly'
>'yeehaw let's do it boys worth the price'

Remove illegals, then the exploitive industries that capitalize off them get hurt. Oh no, what ever will we do once we can't exploit people anymore.

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>>130492346
so you want a bunch of mexican slaves?

>>130492346

WTF I love slaves and child labor now!!

>>130494600
People making less than the minimum wage is good, let's double the minimum wage for people working bottom level shit jobs, then businesses will break the law and hire more illegals

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>>130492346
I love that Democrats still fight for slave labor to this day. The segregation train never ends.

>>130494736
What exactly is wrong with this if it makes food cheap and they're happier than they are in mexico? it's also been proven they pay into the local economies they live in so local businesses profit from it as well.

>>130492346
>not punishing companies for hiring illegals
>not pulling federal funding from states that host illegals
>not converting the unemployed into workers with no longer depressed wages
Fuck no to subsidizing, that just kills local farms and makes setting up farms more expensive.

>>130494600

It's not even a matter of it being "worth the price." It's a matter of enforcing the law, Mexican citizens are residing in the US illegally and businesses are skirting the laws and taxes by paying them under the table.

>>130492346

oy vey, my strawberries will cost me $1 more, how will the economy ever recover? Drumpftards BTFO

>>130494736
This.

Also, lower taxes and prices will drop.

>>130493511
Got that backwords. Rural landowners and farmers are massively conservative and that's why they won't go after the illegals in agriculture, they'd be hurting their base.

>>130492346
>From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

And there goes the US dairy price being so much lower than Canada's because of Muh Free Market myth. Not only are they subsidized all to fuck, they also rely on underpaid illegals to keep prices down.

Give the jobs to hipsters

>>130492346

If it can't succeed without breaking the law, it should be left to fail.

>>130495213
Found the leaf

>>130495187
>Rural landowners and farmers are massively conservative and that's why they won't go after the illegals in agriculture, they'd be hurting their base.

The majority of conservative farmers in the US do not employ illegals.

The link between illegals and primitive agriculture is a highly localized problem.

>>130495290
They wont go out in the fields to pick shit unless you call it a local food experience and have them pay you to take the produce home.

Seriously though people don't want to work for the wages the farmers want to pay.
Eventually, something has to give and it will be better in the long run but no matter how it goes down it's going to be MESSY.

Feelsgoodman living on Maryland's eastern shore. White run farms all up and down, each county with their well known Christian family names that go back hundreds of years all right here.

>slavery is ok

k

also other countries can survive without mexican slaves

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>>130494913
what are you talking about? these people are not happy doing this. they are replaced or just stay there because they are stuck and cant go home for many reasons. dont act like their job making shit wages working a lot probably live on the farm. most are uneducated know little english. dont ignore that aspect you high and mighty cunt.

>>130495187
Exactly how it is in Maryland. If you don't have the family name or are a friend of the family, you aren't getting any jobs at the farm.

>>130492346
I grow my own food. I'm Eco-Fascist.
Have fun with your slave food.

>>130493958
>fruits
unnecessary
>vegetables
easily grown in one's own backyard. but then again, most city folk don't have backyards. good. fucking die.

>>130495675
>these people are not happy doing this
>keep coming here to do it
well it must be better than whatever is waiting for them back in mexico

>>130493133
>Wiley
Bad source. See me after class.

>>130493445
r a r e
a
r
e

instead of replacing truckers with robots, we should replace mexican farm workers with robots

>>130495872
getting sold the promise of the american dream or maybe an escape. thats why they keep coming. again most of these people are uneducated.

>>130492346
So you liberals are saying you need slave-wage labour for agriculture and farm workers don't deserve a decent wage? So much for the workers of the world.

>>130494437
Socialism requires a large proletariat. If drudgery is done by machines, capitalism is nearly paradise.

>>130492346
Why keep shitty Mexicans around when robots will be doing all these jobs within a decade.

FFS we don't need immigration anymore. All we need to do is build robots.

>>130492586
Enjoy paying 100 dollars for a cotton shirt, damned yankees!

>>130495542
You mean Americans aren't willing to work for the wages that are currently being artificially depressed by the refusal of the state to enforce immigration law, allowing tens of millions of illegals from a country with less than 1/6th the GDP per capita to stay and work in the United States.

You can't disconnect jobs in agriculture paying jack shit from the overabundance of dirt poor mexicans willing to do them for jack shit.

>>130495485
Conservatives are smart. They move according to market forces for the biggest gain.
I know of plenty of them who take advantage or stupid government subsidies for corn and soybeans because why leave money on the table and plenty are willing to look the other way or not look too closely at documents as long as they pass the required minimum plausible deniability and even without going that far many use legal immigrant labour that has a similar effect on the market. Smaller farms sometimes don't really have a choice if they want to compete with large-scale farming operations and stay in business. People today don't want to work for what the farms can afford to pay.
Even some of trump's hotels apply for immigrant cleaning ladies from poland because it's the most efficient financial move, why leave money on the table.

Unfortunately using those avenues of success can lead to relying on them and reinforcing shitty systems.

>>130496053
What do you think I meant by
>Eventually, something has to give and it will be better in the long run but no matter how it goes down it's going to be MESSY

I never tried to detach any part of the issue, just talk about the whole.

>>130496507
alright

>>130492346

>get rid of illegal immigrants
>agriculture industry collapses

You left out the next part.

> replaced by robots within 2 - 3 years
> argriculture industry recovers
> crime rate drops
> welfare and social service burden reduced
> fewer overcrowded classrooms
> better life for Americans, LEGAL immigrants and their families

>>130493133
is this really an article debunking basic economic theory?

something tells me it isnt

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>>130492346

>>130492346
>milk would rise 61%
>women would start voting republican at much higher tick

oh, that's why that is bad

>>130492586
Blame Jews for it, not nationalists (aka sane people).

>>130492346

Don't meatpackers also heavily rely on illegals and refugees? Americans may not care about vegetables or dairy that much but they'll notice when their cheap starts getting more expensive.

>>130496941

*when their cheap meat starts getting more expensive.

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>>130492346
>allow illegal aliens who are actively breaking the law to remain in the country just to maintain current economic situation

End corn subsidies, give tax breaks and possibly credits to people under 30 who start working on a farm.

Just ended the Mexican problem.

>>130492346

What ever happened to the liberal push for a $15 minimum wage?

Does that suddenly not apply to agriculture workers?

Why do you want to exploit vulnerable people, OP?

defend your love for slave labor, OP

>>130496661
Automation has already replaced a lot of the labour for the large scale operations.
It's the smaller farms that need the labour more to compete and couldn't absorb the losses from a huge market change.

I was just recently seeing news about small blueberry farms struggling because unusually big yields dropped the price.

>>130492346
>defend this, trumpanzees.
If only we could bring back slaves.

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>>130496744

>>130492346
>The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were slaves, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Africa.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential abolition could have significant impacts on the U.S. cotton industry.” From the perspective of National clothers Federation in 1859, cotton clothing prices would increase by 61 percent if its slave labor labor force were to be eliminated.

>get rid of slaves
>cotton industry collapses

Defend this, abolition tards.

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>>130492346
The majority of illegals don't work on farms. Tell illegals that they can stay for now, but only if they work on a farm. The left loses it's only legitimate argument, and we get to deport all illegals who don't want to compete with everyone else for a $1 an hour hard labor job. Then we can start deporting farm spics slowly in order to encourage technology development that will rid us of the need for migrant workers.

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>>130497213

>>130497421
Just put prisoners to work on farms.
They're mostly black anyway.

>2012 article
>/pol/ is too stupid to notice

>>130493662
Came to post this. I'd gladly pay $4 more a month to send Paco home

>>130497421

kek

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>>130492346
it doesn't collapse you fucking retard, it just dips.

just like construction, and the jobs will be replaced by Americans

>>130497619
>only selected "trust worthy" inmates eligible
>each morning they sit through a power point presentation for an hour covering the basics of farming techniques, information, and modern advances
>just enough to claim they're receiving an education
>spend another 7-10 hours working the fields

We could probably get away with this. I mean we have inmates produce women's underwear, work in call centers as telemarketers, and do a ton of other things for basically no pay.
The more I think about it the better this sounds. Some prisons will even train people as fire fighters and utilize them to fight forest fires in California, no reason why they couldn't work on farms.

>>130492586
>>130492346
We're fat enough already

>>130495213
>And there goes the US dairy price being so much lower than Canada's because of Muh Free Market myth. Not only are they subsidized all to fuck, they also rely on underpaid illegals to keep prices down.

The dairy cartel here in Canada is fucked. They basically force supermarkets to buy the milk for more than what they sell it for. All the while, paying the actual dairy farmers jack shit.

It's why I haven't had milk in years. Not to mention if they legalize ultra high temperature pasteurization here, that shit has the nutritional content of water.

>>130497619
>making them work

Truly the most cruel punishment you can afflict on a black man

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>>130492346
Welcome to being a first world country, your currency is worth so much partly because of this slave labor.

If these companies can't survive while paying a decent enough wage that people are willing to do the job then they do not deserve to exist. This is the free market, capitalism, deal with it you fucking commie.

Image unrelated.

i wuld gey welfare before busting my ass n the sun all day for 8 an hour. let the mezicans do that shot. No american wants that job.
My state tried that and crops rotted because they physically couldnt find anyone willing to work in the fields.

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>>130492346

> Democrats need dark skinned people to grow their food for less than what legal full citizens would expect to be paid because otherwise food would be too expensive

Where have I heard this before

>>130492346
sounds like more jobs

>>130493059

Democrats constantly say minimum wage increases won't hurt jobs because companies will just turn to automation to keep prices down.

Funny how that could never work in agriculture, according to them.

>>130492346
>implying this isn't a good thing
The entire farming industry is more than half owned by the government. All of California's industry for instance was put there by the government.
This would allow the shift for people to become farmers again and own their own business.
Leading to more people having money who actually live here.
California would pretty much become useless once again as no one would pay the expensive water bill when we could just take it back to the south.

>>130498071
The laws getting rid of slavery literally list an exception as a punishment, it's how the whole prison product industry exists.
We have a disproportionate percentage of our population in prison compared to most other places.

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>>130492346
>greentexting a url

>>130498715
Its not a punishment if we call it job training, make it voluntary, and offer better food/living conditions for people who sign up.
Criminals legitimately could benefit from the hard work and discipline.

>>130498570


That POS John McCain once said Americans wouldn't pick onions even if they were paid $50 an hour.

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>>130497609

>>130498857
desu people will be clamouring for that down the line once automation makes labour mostly worthless

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>>130492346
BULL We have machines that can replace whole countries of slaves. This is just Starbucks Marxist propaganda.. People cost 10x more than machines over time.

>>130492586
>Drinking the jewmilk.
kys

>>130499211
It's called the lactating jew.

>>130497619

Maine's governor wants to do this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/us/maine-paul-lepage-workers-prisoners.html

With Trump hoarding all the H-2B visas for his own businesses, Maine can't get enough people to work in its tourist industry because they're shit jobs just like agriculture.

>>130499498
I'm actually from maine lol

>>130495783
>>130495780
/thread
>mfw why the fuck don't people attempt to grow at least 35% of their annual veggies/herbs consumption and hunt at least twice a year (baited for obtaining with ease) to have 150 to 400+ pounds of meat in freezer for the year?
JUST!

>>130492470
We should start calling this the cotton paradox.

>>130498950
>downloaded
Great OC anon!

>>130498949
For $50 an our I will pick the onion, cut it for you and fuckin sauté that shit

Mccain needs to retire

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>>130494201
>i would hurt myself just to make minorities get hurt worse

>>130501755
How's this one?>>130497609

>>130493356
Kekekekekkekekekek no.

>>130492346

1) I might have to pay more for milk

2) This will be made up 100x over in the reductions of gibs I have to pay currently

3) Ag industry starts needing our own kids and homeless vets to work again, paying them American wages instead

4) Our kids learn real work ethics and traditional values on farms again

5) Golden age ushered in for all

>Thanks more expensive milk and capitalism, thank you for keeping greedy shitlib corps abusing indentured mexicans out of our country to be tools for wannabe commies.

I'll gladly pay.

>>130502243
>>130493356
There are a percentage of them who when helped to clean up and get to the interviews do get jobs. Wish we could have a percentage on that. Also a percentage that need to be in mental institutes

>>130501774
Christ I'd quit my office job to get outside again for that, holy shit.

Mccain needs a hobby that isn't government. Like horseshoes or bingo.

>>130492346
Fuck you Republicans we told you the same thing about ending slave labor, you collapsed the Ag market. Now you're doing it again. We need our fucking slave labor you fuckhead Republicans. Not all workers can have living wage you Republishits.

>>130501974
Yes. Sometimes sacrificed are necessary to get rid of the enemy.

>>130492586
>retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

>enjoy paying 100 dollars for a cucumber and gallon of milk

So you're saying the current price of a gallon of milk is $62?

>>130492346
Old flags are back?

FUck yeA

>>130502846
if wages went up 200% why cant we pay 61% increases?

>>130492346

Good the vegans will die off

>>130502099
No comment.
>hva faen! Jeg er konge av landet av sorgen og dod riket, for alt tid
>Norge er flott
>Sverige elsker hud dritt invanndrere og er jævla riket av drittsekk!

>>130492346

If that industry can't survive without slave labor it deserves to die

>>130493662
CTPT
Bravo, anon!

>>130502999

really? vegan is already the most expensive diet what with the fake protein substitutes and extra supplements they need. the people who suffer the most are non-vegans because many depend on dairy for their protein intake.

>>130501974
You're the asshole who won't take his bite of the shit sandwich, aren't you? Also, I've been trying to find work for weeks now and that fucking ag kikes here in CA won't hire anyone who isn't a fucking illegal, would hiring a fucking citizen kill them? I'm not even white either, they like their beans illegal.

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>>130502283
>milk

>>130493662

where is milk $1.89? Been $4 to $4.50 around here for years now.

>>130503122
Someone translate this because I'm too sleepy at this point to do just anything.

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>>130493356
Imagine, if you will
For only a moment
Being this Drumpfy.

>>130503539
>what the hell? I am the king of the land of sorrow and death's kingdom forever
>Norway is great
>Sweden loves shit skin immigrants and is a kingdom of bastards

>>130502690
But they never actually get rid of them.
Even if they DID stop all minority immigration illegal and legal, minorities are still on track to outpace the white population.
None of them are calling for doing anything about the legal minorities and most of the rich ones employ immigrant labour, even trump uses it for maids in his hotels.

>>130504061
I didn't know that Norway hates Sweden.

What do you guys think about transgenders?

>>130492586
just wait until someone makes the equivalent to the cotton gin (protip: its soft robotics) and all of those unemployed meehicans start fucking with you white upperclass liberals

>>130504700
ITT: househusbands bickering about inflation.

>>130492586
Americans are far too fat, factory farming that relies on illegal labor is a big component of that. Making food more expensive would be a wonderful development.

>>130504851
fuck outta here honkey, I fell for the STEM meme and work a trade

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>exploit millions of illegal immigrants for cheaper labour/ignoring the law and create an industry based on relying on illegal imigrants
>YOU CAN'T DEPORT THEM THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WILL COLLAPSE

>>130492346
>i endorse breaking the law so my company can have literal slaves pick my veggies

how progressive and tolerant, libcuck

FYI we can machine automate the work illegals do.

get rekt faggot

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>>130505169
>I fell for the STEM meme
desu

>>130492346
OH NO!!!! they'll have to hire legal citizens now!!!!
and people will be able to afford the higher prices because they have jobs now !!!
surely this will spell disaster

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What, half of the 500 of them in my state?
Doubt that'll do much, and even then, it's not that hard to find someone who's willing to drive one of these fucking things.

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>>130492346

>>130496941
Lol, no, ranchers dont depend on illegals or immigrants. In any case, whats hurt ranchers most is Obama made leases on grazing land fucking expensive so many ranchers went out of buisness since they couldn't afford it.

>>130492346
Automate the fast food industry and turn them all into vending machines like Wendy's is already doing

>then the lefties will have employment shoving cows into the milk machines

>picking carrots and blueberries

>nature finds a way

>>130492346
>avocado toast prices rise 3%
oh dear

>>130492346
Send your niggers back out into the field faggot. Immigrants issue solved, jobless blacks solved.

>>130506451
Yes, this will be a disaster goy-eh guy! They surely need more illegal immigrants!