Can someone tell me what is the Communists' end game? In

>>130434098
>We have everything we need to live
The brainwashing intensifies

I guess you also have :
>Universal healthcare
>Free education
>Security
>worker rights
>payed vacations
>payed sick leave

Majority of slaves actually believed they were somehow "lower humans" ad deserved to be slaves.
>How do you mean it's bad to be slaves ?
>The masters gave us where to sleep, to eat and even more than we could ask for ?
>What, you believe if we revolt that we will all live in mansions and drink expensive wines

We're talking basic worker rights and we are usually focused on the effects of imperialist countries (like U.S) on the third world

>>130437267
We do have all these rights but only small percentages of people choose to use them

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>>130437267
>Universal healthcare
Who is going to pay for the upkeep of hospitals and give doctors a reason to do their job if every single perosn on earth (you said universal) gets help for free?
What's going to stop low IQ people from making bad decisions if there is no immidiate bill they have to pay for a broken leg or open heart surgery?
>Free education
You know there is no such thing as a free lunch. It costs resources to educate people. Where are those resources going to come from, if not the ones getting educated?
>Security
What did he mean by this
>worker rights
And this?
>payed vacations
This depends on what job and employer you have, obviously. Can the company you work for afford this? Do you create enough revenue for the company do give you this?
>payed sick leave
Same as above

These things costs resources. If you work to get those resources, you gain the benefits. If you don't want to work, you can always resort to taking money from others by using the state to threaten the use of force. But extortion is immoral. Taxation is immoral

>>130438174
You don't get it m8

We are not trying to change places where people have all that shit, canada is fine. We are trying to change the attitude the U.S and other imperialistic countries have on the second/third world

I;m not American nor am I trying to change any of your shit, I'm fighting for my country where the average paycheck is 300$/month, where people regularly die out of hunger and where the foreign companies and corporations are raping our asses

>>130438364
>Who is going to pay for the upkeep of hospitals
>It costs resources to educate people
>Can the company you work for afford this?

TAX THE FUCKING PEOPLE YOU IDIOT

>taxation is immoral
Worker abuse, denial of basic rights and refusing to save life because of economic status is far more immoral
There is no moral consumption under capitalism

>>130438780
Capitalism is the most moral ideology, because no one is forced to do anything. If you force someone to give a certain % of their income, lest they want to go to prison, punched and/or shot if they resist arrest, you're literally robbing people. Are you going to go around door to door to rob people at the point of a gun?
What is "worker abuse"? What is "denial of basic rights"?

>>130437267
>Universal healthcare
We effectively had that even before Obama, with Medicaid and dozens of laws against denying people healthcare based on ability to pay.
>Free education
We already send way more people to school for free than we should. Go to any university and you'll see what I mean.
>Security
That's relative but I'd say we have plenty.
>worker rights
>payed vacations
>payed sick leave
Most jobs give you those, we just don't have federal laws requiring it in all cases.

>>130439417
>Capitalism is the most moral ideology because no is forced do do anything

wat

You do know what capitalism and Capital is ?
The only thing that makes capitalism "capitalism" is the capital, or the accumulation of wealth. Without it it's just plain ol' free market(and there are socialist countries with free market : Yugoslavia)

What is the accumulation of wealth a.k.a Capital ? It's the wealth created by taking the surplus over your employees labour. In normal transactions between normal people we use the
Goods - Money - Goods method
We have the goods (it can be anything really, even our own labour), we sell it for money (where money is the exchangeable currency) and we buy the goods we need

Capitalism is characterised by the
Money - Goods - Money system
where the capitalist who has the money pays someone for their goods(or labour) and uses the goods to buy more money. Notice how here the money isn't used as an exchangeable currency but as a commodity. The money and wealth created using this method is called Capital and the process is called "accumulation of Capital"

Exchanging shit on a free market isn't capitalism (it could be but it isn't), accumulating Capital is. And accumulating capital is theft. You bought the commodity for one price and sold it for another, while in the mean time nor the exchange or use value of the commodity have changed (or the labour)

>>130441079
My definition of capitalism is respecting personal property rights. You can create new property but turning clay into a pot, and it's now yours because of your labour. Without you there is no clay pot.
You can transfer the ownership to someone else, if you both agree on the transaction.
Someone could steal your pot, but it wouldn't become theirs. It would be in their possesion, but you would be in the right to take it back and demand restitution for the inconvenience.

Let's go with your defition, accumilation of capital. That is not theft. It could be, but being an employer as per your example is not. The employer and employee has voluntarily signed a contract. The employer has capital, a factory, and wants someone to work it to produce X. The employee has sold his labour in exchange for a salary. Both can and should profit from this. Of course there are bad deals, where workers are paid too little, but he still signed the contract. Not theft.

Taxation on the other hand is always theft, or rather it is extortion.

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>>130434098
The deaths of millions of people followed by a corrupt group of individuals holding the wealth instead of "spreading it to the people".

>>130443589
>my definition of capitalism
This is the most retarded thing I have ever heard

>they voluntarily signed a contract
They had no choice, there is no communist factory that just hands out jobs and has workers self management, we are living in a capitalist society. And if the people want to start their own business they can't since they usually don't have capital in the first place. Banking, owning factories, owning private property (private, not personal), renting, leasing and generally creating any capital by not investing any labour is theft

The "accumulation of capital " also inevitably always leads to crisis
1. Crisis of overproducing
>Capitalist tries to grow his capital
>He earns by taking the surplus of his workers labour
>he tries to cut their wages, hire less workers in order to produce the product more efficiently
>workers get paid less
>no one has money to buy the things you are trying to sell
>congrats now no one can eat because you created too much food
2. Class gap crisis
>capitalist has capital
>he grows his capital of the workers surplus
>he has more capital and thus is richer
>the workers have less capital since they aren't being paid what they deserve
>the rich get richer
>the poor get poorer
>no one again has to buy what you are selling since you have all the capital
>congrats for the crisis