>For since the creation of the world God's invisible

>>130376604
Atheists for some reason have a hard time understanding that not everything is within the scope of scientific understanding, and that science depends on a philosophy of science.

And so they dismiss the philosophical arguments for God which prove his existence.

>>130376604
If he does exist, he must be autistic

the same argument can be made against religion dumbass

>>130377256
It isn't an argument, liar.

>>130377305
claim = argument bro

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>>130377162
>we are made in his image
>we are autistic
do the math

>>130377345
Arguments require two premises.

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Reminder that (((Christianity))) is a jewish cult and semetic (non-white) in origin and anti-western civilization and was rightfully saw as such by the Romans.
Any white person that claims to be a christian is a literal slave.

>>130377612
that's why im saying the same claim (argument) can be made against religion

>>130377624
So if I stop believing in God, I won't have to suffer the consequences?

>>130377747
It isn't an argument.

>>130376604
Sure God exists.

No religion depicts God correctly though, and no single philosophy could either.

God is greater than the total sum of all creation.

>>130377871
>God is greater than the total sum of all creation therefore no religion depicts God correctly though, and no single philosophy could either.
non sequitur. If objective reality can be known to any degree, it follows it is possible a religion would depict God "correctly," especially when He's revealed Himself to us.

>>130376604
what is that

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>>130376604
Fuck off, retard. Go be a superstitious dumbass somewhere else.

>>130378019
DNA replication as a consequence of unguided natural evolution over only 4.543 billion years

>>130378182
You've commented in the wrong thread, m8

>>130377825
You're not understanding me, I'm making the argument not you. The same thing can be said in your claim about the other side

>>130378019
That image? It's a representation of some part of DNA replication. Pretty wild.

>>130378182
See? The animosity for the very discussion is indicative of butthurt from lying to one's self. Atheshit attitudes are only further evidence of God's existence.
>>130378324
So not "the same argument." Go ahead and provide the example to your false analogy already so I can rape it and make you feel stupid.

>>130378013
Citation needed.

Where and when has God revealed himself, accounts from others do not count since they cannot be verified by others.

Trying to know God from his creation alone the same as trying to know a programmer through his program. You may glimpse insight into his psyche, though you will never see anything more than an abstract portrait.

Ask Terry-Temple OS.

>>130378469
>Citation needed.
Negative. It logically follows, axiomatically. You have a much more difficult burden of proof. You have to show it actually to be -impossible- to back up your claim lol. What's that gaytheists say about not being able to prove a negative?

>>130378456
what proof is there that god exists? then again what proof is ther that he doesn't? That's why I'm agnostic more than anything idk what to believe. You're lying to yourself if you reject the possibility that god may not be real

>>130376604
God is subjective.

>>130378605
>You're lying to yourself if you reject the possibility that god may not be real
unless God is actually personally experienced or there are sound logical proofs of God's existence... Just because you've yet to find God, doesn't mean believing in God is foolish.

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>>130378013
when did he reveal himself to you? did he show up in your bathroom and tell you which hand to wipe with? because apparently that was going on daily 2,000-4,000 years ago, and mostly to jews in the desert, no one else, anywhere else was seeing or hearing the same god, but he is the one right god? am I getting this? also you sound like one of those people who is stupid as fuck and sees a humming bird, can't explain it, and says "hmm must be god"

>>130378727
I'm indoctrinated catholic and have never felt anything towards the church or god in my years of going to mass

>>130378796
If he's meant to be in my life he would've showed himself by now

>>130378601
You are the one saying God has revealed himself, are you trying to dodge the question?

>>130376604

To be fair, atheists don't know what God is (or that God IS) because a lot of Christians have done a bad job communicating this. So what atheists call God is something that Christians don't believe in either

>>130378872
There is truth in your statement, what do you think would be a proper solution to this dilemma in communication?

>>130379055

Better communication probably, and better understanding of what you believe, especially among Christians

>>130378743
Pro tip: stupid questions (or any questions) aren't arguments.
>also you sound like one of those people who is stupid as fuck and sees a humming bird, can't explain it, and says "hmm must be god"
Not this strawman, again... Christians infer God's existence as the best explanation and from personal experience of Him. Literally no one assumes God -because- there is no physical explanation. That is nothing but an atheist strawman. To assume everything has a not-God explanation until proven otherwise is an argument from ignorance fallacy. This is just further evidence of atheist crying and thus evidence they know something they don't want to admit. Calling me stupid is embarrassing.
>>130378838
If God has revealed Himself to someone, that is their perception. If your claim is that they did not really experience Him, the burden of proof is on you. Are you trying to dodge the burden of proof?
>>130378872
A true possibility. I think it's equally possible they all know Him and merely reject Him by refusing even to acknowledge Him.

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If anyone religiously believes evolution, I would recommend they watch the first half of this video:

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (full movie)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5EPymcWp-g
A Jew made this, but it has some good info especially the first half.

>>130379204
Obviously, but how would the community at large implement such a change in modality?

>>130379222
Ha! An individuals perceptions are now objective truths!?

K

Nice triples though, have a 'you'

>>130378832
>>130378796
the sin of pride, second only to lust in the destruction of men

>>130379411
No...

>>130379279

Communicate with them about the need to do so, obviously. Not everything needs to be complicated

>>130379222

I wouldn't say that. Most atheists have better judgement than that for other things, and they take the rational action for what they think Christianity is

>>130376604
Stop trying to justify your mental illness

Prove to me that the Bible is true and God is real

>>130379222
You know, I must to add that I have met people who thought they were Jesus, some others whom thought they were in contact with aliens. Nice people, but they could never offer proof of their claims.

Subjective truths (opinions) about reality or whatever else do not demand a "burden of proof".

post here if you maniacally laughed just now when you realized that you're billions of tiny little robots

>>130376604
>if there is a god he has to be the one from muh book and not theirs, even if their religion was created first
if there is a god, hes a lot like the romans' gods, he just wants humans to prove themselves in survival. Else he wouldn't give us inferior/deformed children.

>>130379757
You life sucks, so there's evidence of cosmic justice at work.

>>130379526
Ya, tell that to the vast majority of religious groups.

I wish they thought that way too.

You are right though, it could be that easy.

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>>130378832
You need to have faith before you can even see Him.
>>130379610
There is a schizophrenic that lives in my living room who doesn't even need a tv or computer, because he's perfectly content just sitting on his bed talking to himself all day.
>>130379761
Cool story. Why tell me this? Burden of proof is on the one who makes a claim about objective truth. What exactly do you think the claim in question is?

>>130379793
Then why don't you go ahead and study the oldest religion and report back with your findings?

>>130379895
Can you present that?

>>130379912

>Burden of proof is on the one who makes a claim about objective truth. What exactly do you think the claim in question is?

Check this post>>130378013

>Claims God reveled himself
>No proof
>Demands proof from other who question it

>>130376604
Does god give a shit if i believe in him?

In the terms of christianity, would a god be petty enough to send someone to hell based on whether or not they believe in him?

Sounds like something a petulant child would do. Would a god not be above jealousy? Why would you worship a being so fickle?

>>130377624
>foreign things have no value
Demonstrably false and Christianity being "Semitic" or not is completely irrelevant.

>>130379222
You think that >>130378838 has to prove that what's going inside one's subjective perception of reality, their phaneron, is false instead of that person having to prove it's correct? You know how ridiculous that is?

>>130377624
Fuck off stormfag

>>130379941
did you ever wonder why god chose to doom all of the people in the world which Christianity couldn't reach to hell for not believing in him when they lacked even the possibility to know about the religion

>>130376604
Religion is for betas. Weak-minded people need a framework for living

>>130380072
The argument would be:
>1. Objective reality can be known to some degree
>2. God is a subset of objective reality
>3. Therefore God can be known to some degree
but it is also just a conditional statement.
People have the experience of God revealing Himself to them, which is how they know they can know God. I didn't claim that any case of such an experience is true. You claim they aren't. Burden of proof is on you.
>>130380145
>In the terms of christianity, would a god be petty enough to send someone to hell based on whether or not they believe in him?
Your first task, if you care about your soul or what is right or wrong, should be to figure out how you're wrong, first admitting to yourself that your fee fees don't dictate what is objectively "petty."
>Sounds like something a petulant child would do.
The irony... Don't make the mistake of mistaking your whining for insight.
>>130380167
No, only that the person making the claim is burdened with the proof. I didn't claim any case of experience of God happened; I was explaining (I think, as it's sometimes hard to keep track of your misunderstandings) one reason knowledge of God is possible. If anon makes the claim that experiences of God are not real, it is on him to prove it.
>>130380390
Lol, read the OP. People who don't specifically hear of Christianity are judged accordinly. For fuck's sake, just google it rather than assuming your question is some irrefutable proposition.
>>130380562
Weak-minded people assume there is no framework because they can't face the consequences for their actions.

>>130380390
One of the reasons I am not a Christian, the word of man speaking for God...

I personally believe that we may be here of our own choosing in order to learn and develop ourselves inside the constrictive confines of this reality.

I don't know though... it could all be a dream....

>>130376986
>they dismiss the philosophical arguments for God which prove his existence.
>>130378013
>it follows it is possible a religion would depict God "correctly," especially when He's revealed Himself to us.
>>130378456
>Atheshit attitudes are only further evidence of God's existence.
>>130379222
>If God has revealed Himself to someone, that is their perception. If your claim is that they did not really experience Him, the burden of proof is on you
>>130379912
>You need to have faith before you can even see Him.

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>>130380882
>

>>130380700
Maybe I'll burn for all eternity. But I won't be cucked for my mortal time. What makes your god the right god instead of brahma or allah?

>>130380700
Can be known to *some* degree, yes

People can have any multitude of of things beyond what is real in our universe.

Personal experiences are not objective truths even when based within a factual reality.

Once again, you stated " He has revealed himself to us", and that may or may not be true. There is no way you or anyone else could substantiate that claim.

>>130380390
You really should read the bible, that's not true at all. Christ coming back will only happen until all those who have been introduced to Christianity have either rejected it outright or believe in it. God wants everyone to have an opportunity to form a relationship with him, he doesn't automatically condemn everyone.

I went from being very science focused for 20 years to full believe in Christianity (the source of the word of God from the bible, which means Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, etc. aren't legitimate Christians) due to the fact that science believes the existence of our universe is summed up as: NOTHING. BANG. EVERYTHING. That and this whole climate science bullshit being peddled and used to push an agenda on a lie. Science used to be about discovering new things and putting them to good use, now it's just being used as a weaponized religion.

>>130380954
plz don't set jeeburz on me
plz

Yeah, his existence is so evident that we have not seen any proof of it for millennia.

>>130380882
t. troll posts i suspect...

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>>130376604

If God exists, people know he is not catholic.

>>130381037
Christianity is the only religion that doesn't require you to earn your way to heaven. Jesus was also witnessed by thousands of people. The bible is 66 books written by 40 people, some of whom knew Him or witnessed Him, over about 1,500 years, rather than by some asshole in a cave. It is a truth about love and humility that the hateful and prideful can't see. You'll likely be convinced only if you humble yourself and actually seek Christ. It isn't rational to assume that just because there are multiple religions, that Christianity is just another farse.
>>130381103
Ok

>>130380562
God and religion aren't the same thing faggot.

>>130381224
>Op is troll
>Op replies 18 times
>Op is stupidest person in thread (by far)
How about religion is for really fucking dumb people, huh?

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>>130381403
no u

>>130377624
>t.middle school student

>>130381233
What a shit meme, scientists cant even prove the big brap happened at all.

>>130376604
i love this graphic. its kinda what i talk about to atheists, about DNA Helicase.
I went to the wehi.edu.au site to get more info

God existing as an abstract concept or something that's far beyond the universe and our knowledge seems like kind of a copout really. Scientists have made progress in understanding the nature of our existence and how things come to be. Just because we don't know everything yet doesn't mean you get to fill in those blanks with "it was god" or "god did it" That's just silly.

>>130381327
Study some human history and understand that dumb ancient assholes need something to justify their lives and know why bad shit happens. Do you think that a good neanderthal passed the pearly gates, given that he lived 40,000 years before jesus?
>inb4 josephus documented him and shiieeettt
You're just as bad as we wuz kangzz

>>130381663
Thinking that the universe was created as a result of "NOTHING. BANG. EVERYTHING." is no less ridiculous than believing in God from a 2000 year old collection of writings that happened in one part of the world and were verified with other writings from other parts of the world at different times.

>>130381403
Bright and dim, 'good and 'bad' in every group in the world religious or not.

>>130381600
Nothing can be proven beyond certainty beyond your own consciousness. Science is about finding what isn't true in the pursuit of the truth, even if one may never know if it is the full truth. Science wants to proven wrong. Religion tells you that it's magic and it can't be proven wrong. I'll believe the guys who will admit when they have no evidence to support their claims, thank you very much.

>>130381811
You mean like climate scientists? You're just cynical and have never actually read the bible.
No where does it say it can't be proven wrong.
The only collections of writings that were part of the bible is because they were in fact proven to be true, hundreds of years before the events even happened.

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>>130381663
>Scientists have made progress in understanding the nature of our existence and how things come to be.
Science only figures out material cause. To assume based on nothing that there is only material cause is a faulty assumption.
>Just because we don't know everything yet doesn't mean you get to fill in those blanks with "it was god" or "god did it" That's just silly.
Agreed. No one does that.
>>130381726
>Study some human history and understand that dumb ancient assholes need something to justify their lives and know why bad shit happens.
converse fallacy. Just because this may be the case doesn't mean it's necessarily the case. Take a logic class before you go on the internet again, timmy.
>Do you think that a good neanderthal passed the pearly gates, given that he lived 40,000 years before jesus?
>implying
I suppose if it were human. The bible does account for people who don't hear specifically about Jesus. Do you actually think God is incapable of judgment outside of the bible? Your whole contention is just trying to shift burden of proof. If your stupid belief is that there is no God or no religion nor people can know God, then prove it fuckface.

>>130381811
>Religion has no proof
>Science has no proof
>trying to take the moral high ground on a negative
really makes you think....

>>130378456
No, we actually get annoyed because your faith and attitude of an argument from a position of authority (authority being the Bible, a millennia-old book written by countless MEN) make you so difficult to have a level-headed, reasoned debate based in logic. Faith proves nothing, a book proves nothing, and what may very well be mass delusion (i.e. religion) proves nothing.

Atheists are smartest because Bill Nye, Sam Harris, and Black Spaceman told them televangelists were dumb and people who said so were SMART.

Atheists are literally so smart they don't understand what's happening to this day as they watch those televangelists televangelize to NEW people. Hilariously pissing all over the most basic shit they sold to the New Atheists.

It's the feminists and the commies and the faggots who are looking to buy some snake oil today, retards.

Sorry your snake oil never made you smart, happy, or successful. Should have known that science, religion, and philosophy had all proved it to be a scam for hundreds of years

>>130382022
Your logic is based on us believing your books that are proven using material basis in a world we don't understand versus our book which has been corroborated over 2000+ years to be proven the events recorded indeed happened.

>>130377624
Look at these butthurt, bluepilled replies. Kek

>>130382022
>no, we're all consistently butthurt because ur stupid
Nice arguments you've got there, idiot.

>>130378601
I will be the very first to admit that there is a chance god exists. Hell, there's just as good a chance I'm really just some brain floating in a jar tripping massive too. Doesn't mean that I can't come to a conclusion based on my own knowledge and prior experiences after thinking critically.

>>130381807
>Bright and dim, 'good and 'bad' in every group
The problem here is that the worlds religions are clearly nothing more than a hugboz exam for gullible people. Which means the bright are fleecing the dim in every congregation.
Not that I mind. I just wish the pastors would stop sending Cletus to our neighborhood looking for new marks.

>>130378872
You wanna claim that there is some celestial power governing the universe? Sure. You wanna claim there are parts of it that are not understood? Sure. You want to claim that force is sentient and cannot eventually be explained through scientific means and potentially be manipulated at some point? Get the fuck out of here.

>>130382167
>The problem here is that the worlds religions are clearly nothing more than a hugboz exam for gullible people.
No, the problem here is that you seem to assume your assertions have meaning without any support. If you can't turn your reasoning into syllogisms, then fuck off, 'cause no one needs to hear your 8th-grade-tier rationale.

>>130378013
God hasn't revealed shit. I want to see the seas parted today, not told from a book.

>>130382293
"Fuck you." God

>>130382101

What do you mean? There's plenty about the world we understand. We know how it rains, how the plants grow, why do we get hurricanes and why volcanoes erupt. What's there not to understand? Shit just doesn't come out of the Ether you know. We live in PHYSICAL world after all, things you can touch, smell, taste and get hurt by. So if your problem is that we're using physical means to prove concepts in a physical world then I'd say things have worked out pretty well for us so far.

>>130382292
>syllogisms
muh "syllogisms"
Would that be "faith-based" syllogisms, by any chance?

>>130381663
His divine inspiration is how we know of Him. It's not filling in gaps. He designed our universe around us. Like finely tuning an instrument to get a very specific tone He created this vast universe to create us to serve Him in some way at some point.
We'll likely never know unless the whole of mankind is stricken with His divine inspiration. Maybe we'll get to see that in the end days.
Belief in God shouldn't stop you from being able to observe the natural world. It can only give you reason to improve yourself.

>>130382391
I'm pointing out that we're using what we're given to explain what we have and immediately dismissing the part about who gave it to us.

>>130382141
I never said that you were stupid. I said that you were unwilling to have a purely logical argument that doesn't take arbitrary and ultimately meaningless subjects like philosophy and the specifics of a certain religion in account when talking about the validity of religion.

>Muslims become a problem
>Governments try to minimize religious rights
>Christians, jews, buddhists chimp out
>Governments cave in and reinstate even more lewd religious freedom laws
>Total destruction of western society because muuuh right to believe in retarded fairytales


Christians are the enemy too!

>>130382115
Like I said, they are literal slaves. What else do you expect?

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>>130382391
converse fallacy. This being a physical world does not imply it is only a physical world nor that only the physical exists. You might as well conclude God exists because we have knowledge about VCRs.
>>130382399
No seriously, if you can't do it, go away, kid.
>>130382475
>arbitrary and ultimately meaningless subjects like philosophy
t. idiot who doesn't know what philosophy is
t. idiot who doesn't understand there is no physics without metaphysics
t. idiot who doesn't know what metaphysics is and just thinks it sounds stupid
t. idiot who doesn't understand that logic is a philosophical discipline
t. idiot who doesn't understand that philosophy is the basis of all knowledge

I can't fucking stand people as stupid as you.

>validity of religion.
t. idiot who doesn't understand what "validity" is because he doesn't know what philosophy is

>I said that you were unwilling to have a purely logical argument
The fucking irony. Fuck off and kill yourself, kid.
>kekistani

>>130381918
The vast majority of "climate scientists" are complete bullshitters, that argument does not apply to me.
Many people believe the same thing (being proven to be true) about the Quran, Mahabharata, and the Granth Sahib. What do they all have in common? No empirical evidence. None. Whatsoever.
If one were to tell me that they found a cure for cancer or HIV, even if they were a brilliant biologist or something, I would still demand proof, let alone accept that some magic sky daddy exists because 100+ books written 2k years ago got edited in the council of nicea and published as truth while they threw out the gospel of their so called messia.

>>130382816
doesn't* exist, obviously

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>>130379508
Please elaborate.
It looked like you were trying to pass off subjective experiences as objective reality and when rightly called out you dismiss criticism without a proper response.

>>130382926
>An individuals perceptions are now objective truths!?
No. There's nothing else to be said. Misinterpreting something I said as this doesn't imply I'm dismissing anything, nor is it my responsibility to correct people's misunderstandings.

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>>130382872
>Religion has no "empirical evidence"
>Science has no "empirical evidence"
>Niether has "empirical evidence" of the universe
origins.
Whats your point then.

>>130382816
>Doesn't understand that hard science and empirical evidence outranks soft pseudo-sciences.

Provide me with one shred of empirical evidence god exists. One. One that is not subjective, but undeniable.

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>>130383135
There is no such thing as "evidence" without subjective interpretation, you subhuman monkey. Everything is empirical evidence of God's existence if interpreted correctly. You might know this if you took a logic class. It should be in your philosophy department. Now seriously, 4chan is 18+. Go to sleep and don't come back.

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>>130382816
>I am the only smart kid in the class
t.yr1philosophy student

>>130383103
My point is that I believe the side that actively seeks out new truth, tests their hypothesis consistently, and changes it when it gets proven wrong, rather than the opposite which assumes they know they truth and explains everything that doesn't line up with
>"muh god works in mysterious ways"
>"muh it's more of an anaology"
>"muh you have free will so everything bad that happens is humanity's fault, god has no control over that. Oh and he's omnipotent."

>>130383312
>I'm an idiot literally doesn't know how to form an argument, therefore your education must be low-level
I'll take it

>>130383103
I really love how religious people dismiss science, and creationists even dismiss scientific proof, but then they try to use science to prove their religion. they do this clumsily and stupidly, as is their nature, but still...why would you say "i don't accept X", then use X to try to prove your point?

You're so retarded it hurts my brain. And you know this. You KNOW this, you're just too much of a pussy to admit it because you want your Heaven.

If there was no concept of the immortal soul, of Heaven, in religion, religious people would not give one iota of a fuck about God

You cowards

>>130383283
Is that so?
So if I cut the head off of 30 chickens and they all die, I am a fool for assuming wholeheartedly that the next one will also die?

>>130383389
who* literally. I swear it's like I have lapses in consciousness..

>>130381999
Science is in theory mutable, when new evidence is presented the hypotheses are altered to fit.
Religion is rigid and dogmatic and does not rely on evidence.

>>130383418
That is called inductive reasoning. You might know that if you took a philosophy class. It is also irrelevant. That empirical evidence is subject to interpretation has nothing to do with induction. You are an idiot.

>>130376604
>Everyone knows God exists
I don't.
Your argument is shit and false by the power of logic.

>>130383587
It isn't an argument -- I'm merely calling you a liar.

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God put his signature on the light... if you're clever you can see it.

Well design can easily be seen in living things. Till this day and despite more than a hundred years of effort, there is no theory that even comes close to explaining the origin of the cell and living things. Claiming DNA formed by random chance is like finding a really intricate book and reaching the conclusion that it has formed by chance by the interaction between wood and ink.

>>130383584
Inductive reasoning is used for pattern prediction and the like.
Sure, fits the bill I guess.
Now use this absolutely amazing philosophical tool: common sense (also a bit of biology)
Brain makes body work - body makes brain works - seperate brain and body neither work

another example of the same logic - car makes battery charge, battery starts car, take away one neither are useful.

>>130383658
Prove it.

Atheists are petulant fearful narcissists that will literally hope that Science will justify their desperate need to not be accountable to anyone or anything.
How many times does science need to piss all over the basic retarded shit you faithfully clutch to your chests until you finally think it will cataclysmically undo all those things that wont inconveniently stop making you look like fools?

Atheism is a meme sold to community college drop outs with dust covered walmart telescopes they bought when black space man told them smart people like looking at planets and stars and stuff.
Aren't the atheists trying to figure out how we're in a video game simulation because they can't stop noticing everything is ordered in the way things only are when someone creates them that way? ******Yo, but this Matrix Architect guy is definitely not the Christian God, guys. We've just decided that we really like video games and have always thought of ourselves as main characters, and this is a badass opportunity for us to TOTALLY be Neo and break out of the Matrix.

Retards.

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>>130376604
Hail Lucifer, lord of light.

>>130383700
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

some very minimal research disagrees

>>130383392
You believe that the universe was created in this manner: LITERALLY NOTHING. BANG. LITERALLY EVERYTHING. all while dismissing any notion of a creator (catalyst) to your bang. "b-b-but muh dark matter!"

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>>130383435
>I swear it's like I have lapses in consciousness..
but we're the crazy/stupid ones, right?
also:
>I'm an idiot literally doesn't know how to form an argument
Where are you getting this from? Not presenting you with an argument on demand isn't the same thing as not having one. And I would have thought the idea that religion is a form of social comfort blanket is one widely held, and not that difficult to comprehend. Of course, if you'd like to give a valid reasoning as to why this isn't the case, I'll happily listen.
In the meantime, stop trying to win points in a debate (because your tutor isn't marking this for grades) and just have an exchange of thought on something you hold to be true.
I personally think your reasoning on this matter is weak, and will express this sardonically.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

GET FUCKING REDPILLED

>>130383905
This is so detached from the truth it's really very cringy. Just like you christcucks don't speak for christians as a whole (sorry, but you are outnumbered buddy) militant atheists and retards who just want some crazy conspiracy theory to nerd out on do not speak atheists.

>>130383984
>le invisible sky man

Holy shit are you 12, anything can sound stupid when you over simplify and twist it like that.

>>130383051
>not my responsibility to correct misunderstandings
Why are you here then?

I dont believe that there are misunderstandings here, you have just posted some top tier nonsense and cannot or are unwilling to back it up.
For shame.

In b4 too stupid to understand

Also, if you are a Christian which denomination are you? And, do mormons count as christians?

>>130383700
watchmaker argument. disproven. you moron.

same 10 arguments over and over and over and over, each heard by any atheist or agnostic or scientist 1,000,000 times, each disproven the exact same number of times, but
THIS TIME, this time it's different!

but you don't even care, you don't even care that the Fine Tuning argument proves shit, that the Watchmaker argument proves shit, that the prime mover argument proves shit, that the Objective Morality argument proves shit, that Ontological arguments prove shit, you just don't care.

Because science starts with a hypothesis and works it's way up to a conclusion, and religion starts with a conclusion and tries to warp the evidence to fit it.

BUT YOU DON'T CARE, YOU'LL NEVER CARE

>>130383905
Damn you sure wasted a lot of time with this retarded, non-argument. Honestly can't believe you would we that muh instead of finding a pasta, since you're literally retreading an argument from 1000 years ago that didn't mean anything then either.

>>130384116
Anyone who takes the bible and spins it to create a "group" that controls the narrative of what Christ meant is not a Christian. This includes Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Lutherans, etc.

>>130376604
>It is evident in literally everything.
Since it's so evident, could you point God's influence out to me?

>>130383905
>Aren't the atheists trying to figure out how we're in a video game simulation because they can't stop noticing everything is ordered in the way things only are when someone creates them that way?
And in what way are things designed, so as to be self-evident? Also, the only people claiming reality is a simulation are tryhards. To say that all atheists believe that when all atheism is the disbelief of a god, is a misrepresentation.

>>130383979
Both Saint Nicholas and Jesus existed, it's just you'll never know what they did because we control the narrative.

>>130383905

>Nazi
>Arguing for religion

The irony

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>>130383888
Kek with the killshot 888

allahkbar

>>130376604
>Gods existent is evident in everything.
Prove it.

>>130383978
No. That you would even say something that stupid proves you've never even skimmed a wikipedia page, let alone actually tried to understand the Big Bang, which was NOT AN EXPLOSION

>>130376604
You literally worship a jew as your lord and saviour
ayy lmao

>>130384394
pls stop dude u are going to offend "magical cloudguy" and he will send u to hell dude....

brb I have to go and pray to Allah or else my hairy wife will sit on my face again and shoot poop falafels into my mouth

>>130383978
you conveniently forget that any sane scientist in existence will admit to having absolutely no idea how or why the big bang happened, just that there is a lot of evidence that it did

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>>130376604

True. I gradually came to believe in God because of science actually. Pic related is so accurate.

>>130384139
There's no use arguing with a christcuck. They need to personify shit so they feel less lonely. They need a big daddy to always be there to comfort them. They are emotionally weak, so their fragile minds can't handle the truth.

>>130384106
Daddy of creation sounds stupid even if you string along some fancy words to it.

>>130383946
Creationists refuse to acknowledge this. When you give them hard evidence, they'll just say, "THIS ISN'T ENOUGH, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT." Science has covered evolution, conception of life, and the only thing it hasn't got is the origin or lack there-of of the universe, since we can't go back in time and observe it, and the evidence is the entire cosmos, which as of yet is mostly unobservable.

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If hell is full of atheists, skeptics, and scientists, then it's probably air-conditioned by now.

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This picture makes your fedora explode so hard that NASA records an arbitrary wavelength reading from it on an instrument pointed towards the sky.
They paint it into a picture of a NEWLY DISCOVERED CELESTIAL BODY.
Name it after you, and alert the media.
Everyone adores the photoshop made of a theoretical celestial body that they have literally never seen.
Retards from now on read the wikipedia article about the dogshit created by your destroyed ego.
Because only smart people know about the new "IM A RETARDED FAGGOT"s NASA just discovered with the hubble telescope or the rover or something, lawl.
You've finally contributed to your faith.
You'd be so proud, except that NOTHING EXISTS EXCEPT BLACK SPACE MAN STUFF. THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE.
Everyone laughs at you on 4chan, where you have achieved the notable feat of being the most retarded faggot there, even with all the Bronies and Commies.

>>130384549
wow so inspirashnul
i read this post and immediately converted to pre-Reformation Christianity and tore apart my foreskin out of pure heterosexual love for Christ

>>130384627
>Daddy of creation sounds stupid even if you string along some fancy words to it.

again, an idiotic oversimplification

>>130384549
People experiencing religious "growths" or feelings at the limits of their knowledge happens consistently throughout history. Newton was convinced god kept the planets in harmony, yet a couple hundred years later the telescope was invented and bam! gravity and shieet

>>130377624
t. cuck nation.
Nope, penis in vagina is legal. Even for young men.

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>>130383392
>muh butthurt, the post
>literally cannot provide proof of the origins of the universe, which is the apex of the argument at hand.
are you mad faggot? are you gonna cry?

>>130384662
Yeah....I'm sure the hundreds of hours I've spent stargazing in my telescope was just one big, years long trip.

>>130384662
>>130384549
>Heisenberg grappled with things so complicated, he broke and needed sky daddy to stay sane
Really all this proves is that religion is for the mentally ill. I kind scrounge up quotes of a bunch of atheist scientists tipping their fedoras and it would be just as much evidence.

>>130384643
Meanwhile in heaven, they still can't figure out the wheel.

>>130376604
>>For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse

I don't mean to sound edgy or anything, but isn't this verse just circular reasoning?

>God exists because he created the world
>Therefore everything is proof, checkmate :^)

>>130384549
That pic is literally god_of_the_gaps.jpg

>>130384755
You see, atheists in this argument admit that they don't know the ultimate origin. We have no idea. We don't assume we know like religious folk.

>>130384755
it is ok friendo once Akhmed and Friends detonate the entire Earth using ACME Camel Bombs we will be forced to colonize other planets and maybe we will eventually reach the end of the universe bruv

>>130384857
All arguments for religion are ultimately cyclical when provided with contrary evidence.

>>130377162
Netherlands is the new fucking Canada, I swear.

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>>130384755
watch your mouth blasphemer or I will fuck you analy in hell in my cauldron.

>>130384662
some people can not compherehend and swallow the truth that is we are formed by MILLIONS OF YEARS of evolution and we are nothing than fucking molecules involved in higher beings.

The only big question for science is the origination of the universe. But as you should no, SCIENCE TAKES TIME and it already has big steps done in CERN.

>>130384643

It always amazes me to see atheists do this... they take a religious or metaphysical concept from somewhere, ripping it out of its context and then superimpose said concept over the entirety of religion, theology and metaphysics.

There are many, many relgious or spiritual people who don't even believe in Hell. Even within denominations who DO believe in hell, there are many interpretations.

I have personally, honestly, never spoken to a athiest that actually read the entire bible or even took the smallest amount of effort when it comes to understanding theology, metaphysics, etc.

Its like talking to a child.

>>130376604
>>God's invisible qualities
Whoa nice God of the gaps you got there..

>>130380162
Good goy.

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>>130384872
>We don't assume we know like religious folk.
We don't assume, we know God created it. We just aren't as arrogant as Atheists. The day you PROVE the universe wasn't created by God is the day I start taking you seriously.

>>130384826

calling Heisenberg mentally ill. Man, look at yourself.

>>130384951
I love how so many religious people are unable to understand obvious sarcasm in a shitpost.

Oh wait, 4chan. You're autistic. Makes sense.

>>130384703
>People experiencing religious "growths" or feelings at the limits of their knowledge happens consistently throughout history.
Honestly sounds like mental illness rather than some actual supernatural meeting of the minds or whatever the fuck you think it is. Turns out you need coping mechanisms when you push yourself, and some people fall back on the dad you can't hear or see, but that's always there for you. You know grown adults that have imaginary friends are in mental hospitals, oh but if it follows our little book of fairy tales, it just means they're a man of class! What a load of shit.

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>>130384951
I red the bible (old/new), the torah and the Quaran. Your arguement is invalid.

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this can actually be applied to all monotheistic religions

>>130385012
I can't, and admit I can't and nobody can at this point in time. My argument here is that I see no proof either way, making the "I dunno, man, and neither do you" argument much more viable than yours here.

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God is a spook.

>>130383946
Urey miller? Are you being serious? I didnt think that someone actually still believes that the urey miller provides any significant proof for abiogensis. If anything it argues aganist the concept of abiogensis. For example the expirament used no oxygen because it would degrade the molecules however now it is believed that the earthers atnoshpere contained oxygen at the time. The 20 needed to be present in their left handed form howver not all of them were produced and in equal right and left handed isomers, which react with and destroy each other. The source of energy used (UV radiation)would be a disruptive not a creative force. To control that, the experiment used a certain wavelength. The experiment never showed how the amino acids would polymerize into proteins on their own. In our bodies, it is a complex process that requiers enzymyes and atp. These are just a few points tgere are many more that you can look up .

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>>130385012
>The day you PROVE the universe WAS created by God is the day I start taking you seriously.

BTFO

>>130385052
I am fairly certain that we are expressing the same opinion here my friend, I believe you took me for arguing for the other side.

>>130385012
>We don't assume, we know God created it.
And how do you know?

>>130385016
Smart people are often neurotic. Being smart doesn't correlate with good mental health.

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>>130385115
>much more viable
Without proof it's not very viable is it.

>>130379230

interesting

>>130384755
99% of people will simply never understand non-intuitive science like quantum theory, wil they? it just won't happen. they don't understand that intuition tells them everything relates to causation, but space-time started after the big bang, and there WAS NO CAUSATION prior to the big bang.

they don't understand why this is plausible and more "realistic" than the prime mover hypothesis.

if it's non-intuitive, no one gets it except a few people. in 29999, christfags will still say God did it because it's simple

>>130385150
>enzymes and ATP

RNA has self-replicating properties, and can catalyze its own replication, and can additionally act as an enzyme for other organic molecules. Thus, it could catalyze the formation of complex polypeptides from simple amino acids.

>>130385230
saying "i don't know" with no evidence, either way, isn't viable?

>>130385185
Ah, my bad. Friendly fire happens.

>>130385144
Is Stirner a less romantic Nietzsche?

>>130385070

Stop playing a game of linguistics, something most atheists spend doing all the time.

I said i never met one personally. I'm making a personal observation. It in no way effects my argument at all, because i wasnt even making an argument in the first place.

Atheists even such at basic logic. Yet they feel extremely satisfied when pulling something straight out of their arse.

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>>130385181
What a shit meme, you've obviously never read the bible or you would know Christ did not condemn people that had no knowledge of the word of god. Leave it to a braindead afterbirth commiefag to be so wrong, but then again, I guess you need the (you)'s.

>>130385333
Doesn't Jesus' opinion of you mean jack shit at the end of the day, but rather god's?

>>130376604
sometimes i think god is just one of those autismos who builds computers in minecraft times 10 billion

>>130385333
>you've obviously never read the bible
>>130385070
One more, BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEi3Gaptaas

>>130376604
Viruses that cause you to shit until you die are pretty complex too

>>130385461
Much more likely than some supernatural explanation. Though I suppose most religious people wouldn't be able to see the difference.

>>130385288
If it is implausible to argue that polypeptides and proteins formed on their own. It would be more implausible to say that rna did cause it is even more unstable.

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>>130385306
So basically all you can do is insult atheists, and when you meet one whose insults don't stick, you just insult atheists some more?

Did atheists run over your god/dog or something?

>>130385333
Whoa hey dude, that was satan who malnourished that kid! Nevermind the fact satan can't do anything unless god allows it.

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Here's why I don't believe in religion
>Went to school
>Was bullied almost every day growing up
>Prayed constantly
>Jack shit happened
>Parents divorced on my graduation day of middle school
>Get bullied all the way up to sophmore year
>Still no change
>19 now, life's gotten a little better.
If there's a god, he hates me.

>>130385567
Woops, meant for >>130385334

>>130385439
your just dumb, and that meme was created by someone only SLIGHTLY more intelligent than you.

>if this is really your primary anti-god post. i feel sorry for how manymore trips around this sun you have in you.

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anyway, ill just leave this here for those genuinly interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw

Peace.

>>130385639
Oh a religious person that isn't heliocentric? ITS ALMOST LIKE EMPIRCAL EVIDENCE HAS VALUE

>>130385689
is***

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>>130385306
>reddit spacing
God doesnt exist, get over it. I understand that some people are too scared or cant comprehend the nature of the universe so they have to belive in fairytales.

>>130385567

As i said, linguistic games. You are also making a logical fallacy. Figure it out yourself.

>>130385012
The day you prove the world wasn't created yesterday is the day I'll worship a jew out of my own free will
faggot

>>130385639
Whoa dude, nice post, I'm sure that got you a few more good boy points! Maybe now he won't kill you in your sleep if you don't reply to this post. Just kidding, if you don't reply to this post you'll be killed by God in your sleep!

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>>130385302
>saying "i don't know" with no evidence, either way, isn't viable?
Not when you dismiss the counter argument as a possibility no. You have literally said "There is no way that can be true" without disproving it. It would be viable if you had said, "well I guess that is a possibility, even if I don't believe it or disagree with it.

>130385333
Im not a catholic, so to me it is the same entity, Christ was a divine being.

>>130385772
fuck...please no allah what i did to that donkey was wrong but it felt so right

obligatory reply

>>130376604
>using this gif as evidence of god
What kind of lunatic would purposefully design something like this though? Wouldn't he make us so that we didn't need weird swirly ladders multiplying inside us?

>>130376604
> I can't prove god exists as there is no evidence for of his existence, but I want to believe, therefore I'll say that everyone knows god exists, when in reality about half the US population doesn't really believe in god, but are underrepresented because they don't want to declare themselves as atheists.

>>130385788
No I said that I find it to be extremely unlikely. If I was misunderstood, so be it. I will admit that is a chance God exists and created the universe. Just an inconceivably small one from my perspective.

>>130385521

magic is just science you don't understand

>>130385639
Let me try something different. Let's say, for shits and giggles, that God is real.

GOD IS REAL.

But he is only a being which created the universe, and since he is so uniaginably powerful he doesn't really give a shit about humans, which are only one of millions of existing sentient species in the universe, right.

And there is no soul or heaven, because why would god care about what you do? Do you care if bacteria misbehave?

How does this in any way affect your existence? What do you gain emotionally, intelelctually, or even spiritually from this?

Nothing. So you want your version of God to be nice to humans, and let them live their eternity in a perfect bubble where they get to eat candy forever.

this is so childish i have no words for it

>>130385760
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee you prove it: the post
eat shit you distopian wannabe russian annex nigger, your the one claiming it cant be so

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>>130385619
you were just a dirty fucking sinner anon.

>>130385725
>linguistics
This word, it doesn't mean what you think it means. I know you thought it looked cool, but you can't just throw around words and have people take you seriously.

>>130385649
>50 fucking minutes
Jesus Christ, at least provide more concise videos if you expect me to watch them.

>>130385882
If magic is just science then magic doesn't exists and god becomes a moot point eventually since through science we can learn to manipulate things to our will. If god can be explained scientifically, god can be understood fully. If god can be understood fully, god can be manipulated, making humanity god.

Fedora anons haven't been watching their Youtube videos.
Tsk Tsk. The Science-Men prophets have revealed the earth is pear shaped and that there are 1200 genders.
Unsurprisingly, they have revealed that sexuality is a spectrum, and everybody is a little gay.
Makes sense why anyone who bought their dogshit is such a stupid faggot.
Anyone that disagrees is dumb, a bigot, and homophobic.
Anyone that has stayed tuned in is proudly no longer privileged. They have shed those bonds and become Transfaggot.
Everybody remember religion is bad.
Well, actually, all religion is ok-- just not Christianity. IT'S for dumb people. Everything else is for smart people.
You aren't dumb, right?

>>130385957
His point is that while neither can be disproven neither has any more evidence supporting the argument.

>>130385883
nottttt true i have seen some e.coli under petri dish and they are very bad behaved, they will definitely be sent to hell

>>130385883
These guys don't understand the how ridiculous heliocentric beliefs are since they've been stewing in them so long they probably conceive of them as standard. You should really stop trying. They're hopeless.

>>130386018
The earth is an oblong sphereoid. Most planets are.

Bill Nye is a fucking moron and literally not even a scientist. He's an engineer by trade.

>>130386018
GTFO
>biology actual science
> XY, XX = 2 genders
>"science burger guy" is not scientist fucking burger.

>>130385883
>But he is only a being which created the universe, and since he is so uniaginably powerful he doesn't really give a shit about humans, which are only one of millions of existing sentient species in the universe, right.

Retarded argument. Also

>thinking you're in a place to determine how an all powerful, omnipresent and omnipotent being would behave

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>>130376604
the way Jehovah God is described in the Bible. This is why Theoretical Physicist and Quantum Theorist:

>(Isaiah 44:6) “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

>(Revelation 1:8) “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

>(Revelation 21:6) And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.

>(Psalm 90:2) ... Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.

>(Jeremiah 10:10) But Jehovah is in truth God. He is the living God and the King to time indefinite.

PAY ATTENTION HERE

>(1 Kings 8:27) “But will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, themselves cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!

PAY ATTENTION HERE

>(Deuteronomy 10:14) Behold, to Jehovah your God belong the heavens, EVEN THE HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS, the earth and all that is in it.

The first set up above describe God in an INFINITE EXISTENCE beyond all time and space. That's why God is the beginning and the end. The second part describes God as being bigger than the universe itself. The third is describing different dimensions of existence. That's why heaven has its own heaven. It's describing different dimensions. God is bigger than the entire universe but also probably the multi-verse and all dimensions. He is infinity itself. No other god/gods is described in such a perfect state. All other ancient gods were animals, humanoids living underwater, on mountains or in the clouds.

>>130386010
magic is just how humans categorize science they could never hope to understand.

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>>130386219
>12d chess
HE EXISTS SOMEWHERE
>your proofs?
BOOK WRITEEN BY JOOS 2K YEARS AGO

>>130376604
please stop making America look worse.

>>130386212
>>thinking you're in a place to determine how an all powerful, omnipresent and omnipotent being would behave

I know right? RIDICULOUS. I don't even have an old book to support me!

Non-ironically ending up with metaphysics to do absolutely anything to avoid Christianity.
"Other life is likely transdimensional-- a concept we have commandeered from religion to discredit religion. Being this smart and scientific requires that you be this unprecedented level of retarded. Its painful, we know, but it's necessary to avoid Christianity. We are going to need everyone to forget the most basic tenets of logic and comprehension though, nobody said that fighting to deny God was going to be easy."

>>130376604
>god is real because it says in this book it has been witnessed many times

>>130386220
Further helping my point that if god does indeed exist he will eventually become irrelevant.

>>130386309
Religious cucks will not understand the irony in that statement

>>130386345
god is like an item in a video game that seems really really op when you're like midway through the game but before humanity knows it we'll have a machine that automatically harvests them

>>130386396
probably right. I'm leaving. I suggest you all do the same, there's really no need to ruin the religious people's thread, let them jerk each other off with their flawless logic.

>>130386309
The difference is, that "old book" is the word of God.

And Christians don't determine how God behaves, they just go off of what God tells them.

>>130386309
hi my name is MOhammad you all seem like a good group of people, who here wants to make a new religion with me

i think i want to make it like Christianity except that we can have multiple wives ahhahaha

reply to my comment if you want to join my religion i am going to call it Islam

>>130386219
Oh shit dude, but can God defeat Demonbane? In Demonbane's source material he uses the power of infinite universes. Isn't that cool? I'm pretty sure Demonbane can exist outside existence, because he's fucking Demonbane.

>>130378324
No, because you only have one of the two premis, which is the claim, you need evidence. The opposing side needn't evidence to disclaim your claim, because your original premis is flawed.

>why does god exist?
>here is our argument.....
>use reason to argue for a matter of faith and doesn't abide by sola scripture

>>130386506
And you know it's the word of God because... It says it's the word of God? Hmmm, really, really made me think.

>>130386487
inb4 religious people declare this as a victory.

>>130376604
Actually it was the Spaghetti Monster who made everything on a Tuesday evening. It's evident everywhere.

>>130386616
Protestants literally have to do that because of sola scriptura

>>130386557
>you can't disprove god exists!
>so god exists!
Oh the irony.

>>130386652
Must suck for Protestants, though at the same time, you can't prove anyone or anything claiming to be of god is of god.

>>130386300
Where did ancient sand people get the idea of an infinite being bigger than the universe itself? Where did they get the idea of different dimensions? In all cultures on earth, gods have beginnings and ends. They are all based on things humans can see: animals, humans, trees, oceans, mountains, sun, stars, and clouds. They believed those gods could have sex, eat food, die, and had limitations.

God in the Bible is an extra-dimensional non-corporeal infinite being beyond the space-time continuam. He is bigger than the all the universe itself. This is what the Bible also says about him.

>(Exodus 33:20) And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

You can't see God not because he is invisible but because he is infinite raw power. Exposing yourself to him just to see him would kill you. So God is bigger than the entire universe, beyond all quantum levels of existence, infinity itself, and seeing him will kill you. No god/gods have ever been described anywhere else but the Bible like this. Combine this with the picture and you have a book of written by a being beyond human capacity.

I'm perfectly willing to grant that religion may be necessary for society and that it's indispensable in the minds of those who need it, but trying to argue logically for the existence of the supernatural simply doesn't work. The arguments inevitably rest on assertions that can easily be rejected by a non-believer while a believer takes them for granted. That's why people come to religion through emotional experience, not argument.

>While we have never seen a black hole-- we know they exist because we see stuff moving in a fashion that dictates they need to exist.
Why can't we see them?
>We have decided that we cannot see them because they literally have SO much gravity that light bends it out of our view, preventing us from seeing it...
>Or absorbs it and puts it somewhere else.
>It can do this because light is... something... a wave, a photon, or something we can't measure, just observe-- which CHANGES IT JUST BY LOOKING AT IT-- haha, #notwrong.
>And gravity can affect it.
What is gravity?
>We have no fucking idea. Everything we try and come up with is always embarrassingly wrong when we try.
>It's just science. You have to understand we are just describing things as we observe them.
For Instance?
>We just discovered there are 1200 genders, and men fucking men is natural, and anyone that disagrees is a dumb conservative.
Oh
>Yeah, all this science makes me want to look at some memes with galaxies on them. Want to join me?
Fuck off retard.

I can at least understand the POV of someone who thinks the intricacies of the universe are evidence of an intelligently designed universe.

But I don't understand how any of the "evidence" points towards a specific holy book with it's own rules.

Why specifically that book? Sounds like two completely separate arguments that need to be had. Even convincing someone of the existence of a god, still has nothing to do with your preferred religion.

>>130386625
>Spaghetti Monster
this is proof atheists are more like children than christ cult people

>>130376604
bible cuk shill
shilling your fucking garbage

>>130386721
I didnt say that.. lol

>>130386625
>spaghetti monster spawned off of string theory as a meme
>/pol/ tries to use it to damage science
>/pol/ will never understand science ever

>>130386537
Was he written about in ancient times by primitive people with no access to science, technology, literature, and education in physics?

Remember that this is back then when advanced cultures used to believe that the gods were on Mt Olympus, beyond the "horizon" of the oceans, and in the clouds.

>>130377871
God created us humans in his image, therefore God must' ve been a normal human like us before he got his power.

>>130387153
I just answered this>>130386219
>>130387023
>>130387332

>>130387023
>thinking that tradition of religion starts with xtianity

greek pantheon live on the Olymp. Xtians went further because they were more advanced and made him on "heavens" then muslim went even further and made him in different plane of existence behind the 7 skies.

So just bullshiting more and more with progress so the people can never say "i dont see him, he doesnt exist"

>>130387023
>Where did ancient sand people get the idea of an infinite being bigger than the universe itself? Where did they get the idea of different dimensions?
>
God in the Bible is an extra-dimensional non-corporeal infinite being beyond the space-time continuam. He is bigger than the all the universe itself. This is what the Bible also says about him.
Where did we get the idea of Demonbane? He clearly doesn't exist in our everyday life, so Demonbane must have showed himself in the series he appears in.

We can't see Demonbane, because he's so powerful and in-between dimensions. If you were to see Demonbane, you'd get fucking rekt son. Demonbane uses universes to power himself, so if you were to see him, he would consume our universe for fuel.

> No god/gods have ever been described anywhere else but the Bible like this.
Demonbane is only found in his titular series and is the only one of his kind. A human couldn't write the script and animate it. It's beyond human capacity.

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>>130387128
>We have decided that we cannot see them because they literally have SO much gravity that light bends it out of our view, preventing us from seeing it...
>Or absorbs it and puts it somewhere else.
YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED
NO SCIENCE ANYWERE SAYS THAT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>130387332
Did modern people have access to infinite power through universe consumption? No they didn't.

This shows Demonbane exists.

>>130387128
>What is gravity?
Take a pen, drop it on the floor.
A bigger object (earth) pulled the smaller one (pen)
>black holes (they are "black" because when you look in telescope u have some "black" patches of space, because gravity there is so big that it sucks everything inside, even light.
they are too far from us at THIS TIME (in future with better space travel tech we will reach them.

God is a placeholder for what we don't understand. Therefore atheisms outright claim that there is nothing we won't understand is objectively false. There will always be unknown in the universe whether you like it or not.

>>130387689
innocent until proven guilty
=
god doesnt exist until we prove he exists

Maybe there is some advanced alien design to a universe but not the ((God)) semites thought about 3k years ago.

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>>130378239
>>130378019
Yup only 4 billion years. that's only 4 periods of 1 billion years. 1 and 4 are small numbers even if it is followed by billion. no big deal.

Biggest problem with science, religion, economics and politics- nobody realizes how big the numbers get and can't conceive their scale.

>>130387463

Your argument is recursive.

The evidence for the book being special is the content of the book. By that logic I could prove literally anything.

Is there any evidence outside of the book that would prove its divine nature?

>>130376604
Let's assume there is a god.
We are but a single species on single planet orbitting the sun which is one of 100 billion other stars in our galaxy. Which is a single galaxy among hundreds of billions of other galaxies which each contain hundreds of billions of stars.
Such a god caring about whether you love him or not, is the equivalent of you caring whether a bacteria colony on a grain of sand on the sea bed in the middle of the pacific ocean loves you or not.
It is one thing to believe that such a god exists, but quite another to believe that this god sent himself to earth to be tortured and murdered in order to give himself permission to firgive you for the flaws he eingeneered you with.
And if you are not greatful for this or do not believe in or love this god who never shows himself, you will be handed over to be tortured for eternity by his greatest engineering flaw, lucifer, who he seems incapable of destroying.

>>130376604

>being such a pleb that you need to personify and draw a human face on natural phenomenon far greater and far more complex than human understanding

God is by definition an oversimplification. We project our minds on the actions of the universe, but it is the universe that's projected a tiny bit of itself on us.

>>130387585
That guy has a retarded way of explaining it, but that's basically the whole point of black holes. They bend light into themselves so obviously you can't see them. They've been indirectly observed though.

>>130387689
No, God is an ancient wizard living in the clouds who makes people out of dust.

>>130388101
>lucifer
>engineering flaw
Its a core feature, if you want to use those shitty allegories.

>>130388126
We literally>>130388126
have one at the middle of the milkyway
If you were up next to one you would be able to see it because its accretion disks
WE ARE THE FUCKING ACCRETION DISKS OF ONE.

>>130387862

This.

Go into notepad, write out 100 10 times which is approximately equivalent of ten human lifetimes. Then select that paste it ten times, that's 10,000, then copy everything again and paste ten times, that's 100,000.

Keep repeating until you have 1 billion.

Then scroll up.

>>130386616
>And you know it's the word of God because

God has acted in my life. And also because what it preaches/its values have been proven true. You only need to look out a window to see what a life of sin leads to.

>>130388280
So god created lucifer knowing that he would become evil and that he would corrupt his creation?
Why not just punish and kill lucifer instead of his victims?

>>130388457
>what it preaches/its values have been proven true

You mean selectively been proven true.

You just pick and choose shit from whatever holy book you were born next to fit whatever lifestyle you deem to be virtuous.

>>130379230
this does not debunk evolution nor creationism. This just complains about the lack of discussion in a sensationalist way.

>>130381600
>space is expanding
>thus it was smaller before
>extrapolate backwards in time
>there has to be a beginning

We just don't know what caused it.

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>>130388457
>God has acted in my life.
What did he do?
>And also because what it preaches/its values have been proven true.
What's been proven?
>You only need to look out a window to see what a life of sin leads to.
I know plenty of sinners that live healthy, happy lives. My life is shit, yeah, but that's because of my own failures, not for wearing mixed linen and other inane shit.

>>130376604
>been clearly seen

Wow what an irrefutable evidence, I saw your mother take twenty nigger dicks in triple penetrations in one night. You don't believe me? Stop lying yourself asexual, you know it's true.

>>130388598
>You just pick and choose shit from whatever holy book you were born next to fit whatever lifestyle you deem to be virtuous.

Nice projection

>>130387770

Humans see a pattern in the world around them and they think it has human-like qualities.

But humans are just an extension of the natural universe. We aren't the exception, and our consciousness isn't magical, it's just part in parcel to everything else. Humans had to evolve a mind that could fathom the world around us.

>>130388358
Not every black hole has an accretion disk though. If you were close enough to a simple black hole you'd see a perfectly black sphere beyond which light can't escape, and heavy light distortions around it.

I also think of galaxies as basically huge accretion disks even if that isn't exaclty technically true

Worship a jew, goy.

>>130388638
>Wow what an irrefutable evidence, I saw your mother take twenty nigger dicks in triple penetrations in one night.
Oh shit, that's proof of God's existence! And the fact his mother failed to abort him is proof of God's existence! Hallelujah!

>>130377750
Consequences remain identical = you die.

>>130388660

Oh, so you follow every single word of your holy book literally?

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Proof of god. Lights on the firmament thousands of miles away. Not suns light years away.

Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

A Star Close Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xFd1gvkdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLu9fcQI4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjcaJpMWyc

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>>130388768

>A star close up
>literal handheld camera zoomed in

How retarded are you? That picture is out of focus, which is why it looks so blurry.

>>130388737
I believe in and vouch for whatever the bible says

It helps to think of the universe in terms of information. The laws that dictate information flow are the same laws that dictate math, information has its own natural order.

Information can be stored in almost an infinite amount of mediums, from a floppy disc, to craters in a moon revealing the amount of impacts, to all the information stored in a black hole.

The human brain is just another medium of that information flow.

>>130388866
All that wall of text just for saying ' I'm cuck. '. Wouldn't be surprised if his wife's son along with wife goaded him into such stupid photo.

>>130387471
>made him in different plane of existence behind the 7 skies.

The Quran teaches that there are seven heavens and seven earths and that the earths are flat with a distance of 500 years between them. It teaches that there is a 500 year span of distance between each earth and each heaven. Nonsense.

It teaches that pregnancy happens when a woman gets a blood clot in her vagina.

That Alexander the Great was a Muslim.

The Quran is not progressive nor is it a sequel to the Bible. It is a poor man's attempt at copying the Bible while being influenced by surrounding supersitions of the people's Muhammed was surrounded by.

>>130388707
real a perfect one may not even exist.
perfection does not deem to line up with chaos theory
thus they most likely would have matter around it to even be created unless its done in a lab still then something would be around it that is the general idea

>>130388924
So you don't wear mixed linens?

>You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle engender with a diverse kind: you shall not sow your field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come on you.
>Leviticus 19:19

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It helps to think of the universe in terms of information. The laws that dictate information flow are the same laws that dictate math, information has its own natural order.

Information can be stored in almost an infinite amount of mediums, from a floppy disc, to craters in a moon revealing the amount of impacts, to all the information stored in a black hole.

The human brain is just another medium of that information flow. Just think about how memes change, adapt, spread and seem to take in a life of their own - ultimately changing from pure information into reality.

Every invention was once raw data and information in someone's head.

Same idea.

>>130388924
So just to name a few of the retarded ones,

So you don't wear clothes woven out of two materials?
>Leviticus 19:19

And you're cool with slavery?
>Ephesians 6:5-8
>Leviticus 25:44-46

And you don't eat fish?
>Leviticus 9:10

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>>130388905
What Stars Really Look Like - Sirius at 300x Magnification (In Focus!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgxTCDjvBI

>>130389138
nope dont wear linen and wool together

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Indeed.

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Sieg Heil!

>>130389138
Again, blatant misunderstanding of the faith itself.

Christ fulfilled the OT covenant. The NT is the new covenant, which is the doctrine Christians follow.

>inb4 ur cherry picking what to follow

It literally states as such in the Bible itself.

>>130389138
stupid way of selection of genetics. inbreeding is bad for the population you retarded sac of crap.

>>130389219
>in focus
>blurry mess

Sure buddy, you can believe in whatever youtube videos you want.

But I can't trust a handheld camera with an amateur-tier lens over an astronomical telescope.

https://www.spacetelescope.org/images/archive/top100/

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>>130389219
loooooooooooooooooooool. FLAT EARTH. are u fucking retarded?

>>130389277
inbreeding is bad you retard
sop wanting to fuck your sister
life is not a incest anime/hentai you retarded weeb

>>130388004
>Is there any evidence outside of the book that would prove its divine nature?

Yes, the people who were used to write the book. Where did they get such advanced knowledge from that the most advanced civilizations didn't have access to yet. Where did they get that the ocean has canyons and mountains from? Where did they get that the oceans have their own underwater springs from? Where did they get that the earth hangs over nothing?

How did they know that God is bigger than the entire universe, infinite, and beyond the space-time continuum, and beyond all possible multi-verses and all dimensions? Where did they get that looking at him directly would kill you unintentionally because of his raw power? No ancient culture ever described their gods like this without referencing nature, animals, or other humans. The writers of the Bible described God at a QUANTUM LEVEL. Today, theoretical physicist are still debating this level of existence while the Bible did it first.

>>130389219

In that case I hope that you don't have more than 1 shirt or literally any food.

>Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same. Luke 3:11

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>>130389219
>what is infinite focus
You clearly have zero knowledge of light, or how a cameras work. What are you even suggesting with this nonsense?

Nice sources btw. Very convincing (and realistic) argument.

I have to wonder every time I see you people on here, are you all actual hardline flat-earth crackpot religiousfags who believe in the firmament and Noah's ark and whatnot, or are you just LARPing as crusaders?

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>>130389434
>But I can't trust a handheld camera with an amateur-tier lens over an astronomical telescope.

thats because youre a fool and you dont believe your own eyes rather accept the word of nasa

good goy

just know i warned you bro

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>>130389537
read the YT comments

>>130389541
what would you do if nasa was spelled naca faggot?

>>130389194
Again, Christ fulfilled the old law. What Christians follow is the New Covenant.

That is not cherrypicking because that was part of the whole point Christ came.

>>130389524
>described God at a QUANTUM LEVEL
>QUANTUM

Could you describe in your own words what "quantum" means, and how does that specifically relate to the teachings of the bible.