>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created

I guess the earth is flat too right retard? Christians have been consistenly BTFO over the last 500 years by science but yeah i guess your latest refutation of science will be correct

>in the beginning there was nothing
>in the beginning there was god
pick one faggot

>>130320489
Atheism is the slowest growing religion (since they put their faith in other humans it is a religion) it's actually losing ground when compared to the growth of other religions in general.

>>130320489

Scientists have proven that nothing actually doesn't exist. Nothing weighs something, despite having no mass. The concept of nothing is an idea made by man. In natural laws, nothing doesn't exist.

>>130321071
Yeah biochemistry BTFO lmao. Human processes make no sense whatsoever thermodynamically

>>130320489
>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created due to a reaction between atoms and particles but not God?
God can't be measured
>If there was no God, then "who" was behind all of those gigantic celestial which cover our universe?
You keep insisting its a "who" when you could be asking "what"
>Why do all atheists believe that Religious people (specifically attacking Christian) are dumb when it's actually the opposite?
I don't but there are plenty of religious people who will keep insisting there's a gap in the knowledge when there isn't one. Ignorance≠Stupidity. You just need better arguments and talk points that are not being delivered by smug atheists.

Who on God's green Earth are you quoting? >>130320489

>>130320489

I don't know if you knew this, but nothing is incredibly volatile. Now there's all this stuff everywhere, and we can't get enough nothing together in one spot to do big bang recreation experiments. Chemistry 101, fags.

>>130320489
so in the beginning there was nothing, and then there was god?

checkmate, christcuck fags

>>130320489

Strawman. They don't say that there was nothing. Go educate yourself, nu-fascist.

>>130320489
Answer the leaf >>130323081
faggot

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>>130320489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

This basically explains everything. This thread can be pruned.

existence itself is a mindfuck no matter how you look at it

>>130323246
Nazi worshipping kike prophet...irony

We're likely to die out as a species before we understand the nature and origin of the universe. That doesn't mean God ever existed. Demanding someone explain the origin and nature of the universe to refute your theory is assinine and intellectually dishonest. Furthermore, there's more observation based evidence to refute an omnipotent being than there is to refute the big bang

>>130321247
Its not a religion anymore then abstinence is a sex position.

>>130323609
Nah since the big bang can actually be measured but our expanding universe

The god hypthesis has now evolved into something 'beyond the physical' it can be neither proven nore disproven as much as the 'were a brain in jar theory' that being said its pointless since how can you you disprove something where the believe keeps saying "well uh hes outside time and space"

>>130320489

You should probobly look up who formulated the big bang theory.

>>130320489
>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created due to a reaction between atoms and particles but not God?
Because this is what the physical evidence and reasoned logic points towards.
>>130321495
The earth is not a thermodynamically closed system.

Atheism has nothing to do with believing the big bang happened. Try again.

>>130320489
"Atheism is a religion" is the shittiest mental and semantic gymnastics to ever plague the internet and anyone who thinks this way needs to drown themselves in bleach

>>130323081
God is a the only possible and relevant explanation to the beginning of the universe. Your ((science)) makes no sense and is a pile of bullcrap.

>>130320489

>Why do atheists insist

You think the Priest who came up with the Big Bang theory was an atheist? All early astronomers were clergymen.

>>130321071
Not like gregor mendel was a priest or anything

>>130321071

>Christians have been consistenly BTFO over the last 500 years by science but yeah i guess your latest refutation of science will be correct

The creator of the Big Bang theory was a priest and Christians were really the pioneers of science.

>>130326520

Georges Lamaitre wasn't one either.

>>130320489
No one has proof as to what happened

>>130327059

The Big Bang was proven by the discovery of cosmic background radiation. Then the LHC recreated it. The only thing that remains unproven is if something existed before the Big Bang or if the Big Bang was the creation of the universe.

>>130322971
Nothing means "no thing." By definition, the concept of nothing means there is no being. And if there is no being, there is nothing to which you can attribute volatility. Don't be retarded, anon.

>>130320489
Why the fuck does Christianity and Islam have to be the antithesis of science and empirical evidence? You guys clinging to archaic beliefs are no different than the sand niggers that blow themselves up for 100 virgins.

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>>130321071
Science invokes an inherently unprovable "le multiverse" hypothesis to explain the big bang and perfect fine tuning of the universe, and ridicules theists for believing a form of consciousness (consciousness being something we actually know exists) might be responsible for creation.

>>130323609
What empirical evidence do you know of that refutes an eternal being?

>>130320489
>God existed forever
>But the universe
>God literally sat around for an eternity before deciding to create the universe
Hmm

>>130320489
Basically nothing is a refugee, just explodes at random but its nothing.

>Captcha: Calle Stop
I think we getting a help request here.

>>130323984
The "God Hypothesis" has always been beyond the physical as it argues for a transcendent being. If you've read any of the classics, you'll know this.

>>130327551
This is the part that jams me up the most desu. WTF was BEFORE the Big Bang blows me away.

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>>130328510
>thinks God is a human who experiences boredom

>>130328510
Eternity doesn't mean "lots of time lol" retard. Time is a physical property and only came into being at the creation of the universe, just like all the other physical properties and rules.

>>130321247
>Atheism is the slowest growing religion
atheism isnt a religeon you moron.

atheist dont believe in any god so b their very nature their not a religeon.

>>130320489
The amount if deluded religious people on this board makes me sad. These are the people who discuss important political issues. Get off your fat ass and go learn about your suroundings.

>>130328510
For an entity that existed before time, yeah he technically did exist for eternity before doing anything. But if you think it's nuts that how is the "singularity" any crazier? some unthinking thing sitting around forever until deciding to create the universe? Oh wait, it's not intelligent... so...

>>130320489
>Hurr, if science hasn't figured it out yet, the answer is god.
Patience grasshopper.

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>>130320489
Problem of infinite regress is somehow resolved by a "who" for some reason. >Special pleading at its finest.
Trying to rationalize faith seems like a waste of time anyways no?

>>130328766

Well it could be that the Big Bang is simply the mechanism of how matter is created and something existed before it. Or even that there is an endless cycle of creation where multiple universes have been created by multiple big bangs. The actual creation of everything could have come from something else and the endless cycle of big bangs is the result of creation not just the cause of it.

>>130320489
>Why do atheists believe in Big Bang but not God?
Because everything except the early parts in the explosion hypothesis can be described mathematically and verified, so it makes sense,

Nothing about "God" makes sense.
Someone that awesome should be able to explain who it is and what it wants,
so people can stop fighting between each other about which imaginary friend to trust.
Failing that, he can't even compete with a physicist.

>>130321247
faith =/= conviction

>>130320489
What constitutes "nothing" is not well understood.

The universe may well be some sort of particle

>>130320489
Atheist here, it is clear that you have no understanding of science what so ever
>Statement no.1: What the fuck are you even saying? Look at this link, you dumbfuck https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang
>Again, more retarded bullshit. We have proof that this was created from the big bang. Another thing
>Oh god, it is the opposite, at least if you live in the U.S.

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>>130329331
>vzXF7lAI
there are literaly hunderd of thousands of religions almost all have some version of hell for dis believers.
god is in all likelihood not the abrahamic one.

>>130320489
I believe if the big bang happened, that is was designed by God to have a specific outcome.

>>130320489
I hate you fucking niggers who deny science based on some 2000 year old book written by goat herders. Another thing is that the earth is not 6000 years old. Did you ever pay attention to science class? Or were you too busy fucking your sisters and saying grace at the table.

>>130320489
We're all dumb compared to the universe of knowledge. We don't know what's not revealed to us.

>>130329602
>endless cycle of big bangs
This explanation is crazy too because it says time is eternal, time never actually started at some point and there is no end. Everything just ... is?

>>130320489
A singularity is not nothing

>>130329889
I'm no longer interested in arguing religion. You'd have to be extremely retarded to lose an argument when you are on the side which defends a being that is omnipotent and has no limits.

The idea of a God as a magic skyman fucking with human beings is ridiculous and obviously egocentric to the humans producing the lore. The odds of this happening are astronomically low, but if it is not a probability of zero, it probably HAS and WILL HAPPEN infinitely across space time somewhere in an infinite multiverse.

Despite that however, mathematically, the likelihood of a sentience creating all of what we exist within is much higher than it happening randomly out of nothing, which is what atheism (in our universe at least) argues for.

However, all are possible (and more than likely have happened infinitely and infinitely repeatedly across space time in an infinite multiverse) and are both valid explanations for our universe as we can't tell which one is correct. The big mystery for our universe is which one of these, or infinitely many other reasons is the reason for our universe's existence.

>>130329946

Except the people who did the work to discover that science and come up with things like the Big Bang theory were religious.

Even if the universe had a creator, they are no longer interacting with us, and so it's pointless to worship them.

>>130328766
There was no before. It's as stupid of an argument for a scientist as "who created God" is for a theist. TIME didn't exist before the big bang.

>>130329946
>>130329791
so what was the complete orgin point of the universe? did it all just come out of nothingness?
even the big bang has a creation point. youre denying science too as something cannot be created out of nothing mandated by the laws of thermodynamics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics

>>130320489
I believe that, regardless of whether or not we know that explanation, a rational explanation exists for everything. And why does there have to be a "who" behind the universe?

>>130323338
Yeah, but when Krauss is in the room, nobody else can be because his ego pushes everybody out. It's yuge.

>>130330096

The universe is omnipotent and has no limits. The guy who came up with the Big Bang theory believed in an omnipotent God without limits.

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>>130320489
So we say "there was nothing and then there was something". And you say "there was nothing, then there was God, then there was something". Isn't that more stupid?

>>130330353
>TIME didn't exist before the big bang
Just like that, from a singularity, a Big Bang happened from nowhere and here we are. Still blows me away.

>>130320489
There's technically no logical case to uphold Atheism until or unless humanity can discover what came , was, or occurred before the big bang. Which is basically impossible (at this moment)

In any sense of logic the universe existing is an unexplainable phenomenon and the simplest answer is that the answer to why existence exists is ridiculously far out and complex. Most people stop looking for impossible answers and conclude that there has to be a higher form of life, quite the logical conclusion when faced with so much evidence yet to be found.

>>130330039
>>130330353

It could have. Creation could have preceded the Big Bang as the Big Bang was only the creation of our universe. No one knows what existed or didn't exist before it.

>>130326522
I love the revisionist history nu-athiests pull when they try pretend the Big Bang theorists weren't staunch Christians and that the oscillating model wasn't the hill athiests chose to die on.

>>130330449
According to string theory, there might be other dimensions we're not aware of, and the big bang was just an event that happened in that higher-dimensional realm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology

>>130320489
Even if "nothing actually can't come out of nothing" (even thought that means nothing until we define what "nothing" is(n't)) that doesn't prove your particular religione, whatever it is.

>>130320489
you can believe in whatever but when you try to control people by telling them they are "going to hell" or by stoning them to death for breaking a rule in a 2000 year old book then you have a problem

>>130320489
Straw-man at its best.
Big Bang theory is invented and forced by crypto-christ-fags.
As the matter of fact, in the beginning there was nothing.. and then it evolved more and more anisotropous during the infinite ammount of time.

>>130329602
The oscillating model of the universe (endless cycles) has been found broken in no less than four attempts by mathematicians.
It's a good theory, but it's unfounded. For whatever reason the Universe is, and completely unique unless another Big Bang is occurring a distance away we can't even comprehend.

>>130320489
>/pol/ is so stupid that this isn't even bait

>>130331164
>As the matter of fact, in the beginning there was nothing.. and then it evolved more and more anisotropous during the infinite ammount of time.
Nothing, if left alone long enough, gradually turns into dinosaurs?

>>130331216
There is such a thing as a false vacuum collapse though. The current energy level of the vacuum might not be the lowest, and if a lower-energy vacuum is created anywhere in the universe, it would spread out at the speed of light, destroying everything and essentially creating a new universe. Perhaps that's what the Big Bang was, and it may happen again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum#Vacuum_metastability_event

>>130330096
Most arguments with atheists consist of "you're an idiot, I'm smarter than you" non-arguments like your previous comment, and strawman arguments based on the most moronic, childish conception of religion. I respect atheists like Sam Harris who actually debate religion in an intelligent way, most do not.

>>130320489
I am christian as you but this logic hast a mayor mistake:

Even god needs to be created from "somewhat" How can there be nothing? Oh, god COULD exist from nothing? Why not big band from nothing?

>>130332065
God didn't come from nothing because he was never created. He is an eternal being. He is, unconditionally, the I Am.

>>130331853
>I respect atheists like Sam Harris who actually debate religion in an intelligent way, most do not.

You mean he who presents everything on the level of a 5 year old?

yhea i can see how that would appeal to the superstitious

>>130332065
Because God is supernatural, the force that sets the rules, laws and everything in motion.
BB we have no clue why it occurred, but we can measure its effects and physics of the event. It's a thing of the universe, it IS the universe, the big G is not.

>>130332258
so why It cant be some expanding and descendeing universe, that also is eternal? What if that is the definition of god, the everything?

>>130332258
>He is, unconditionally, the I Am
Please explain.

>>130332555
Because the Oscillating theory has yet to find a mathematical model that doesn't implode on itself.

>>130331660
Yes. Because the sequence of derivatives is infinite, in the infinite times it doesn't matter how close to zero those derivatives are, movement grows, and conservation laws are illusion (because our ruler shrinks. and so do we, that's why it seems to us that galaxies expand. which is lies. the galaxies we observe move towards one another)

Quantum pairs that did not annihilate each other in a false vacuum created the universe. After the heat death when every particle is infinitely far away from any another particle, it will happen again. The quantum micro particles that arise out of this vacuum will have no space to contain it so it expands infinitely in all directions giving rise to the universe again.

>>130320489

They... feel good man.

They also probably feel intelligent.

>>130320489
Better question: who gives a shit?

>>130320489
>Why do all atheists believe that Religious people (specifically attacking Christian) are dumb when it's actually the opposite?

Because Jews say its edgy and fashionable.

And we did not kill all the socialists that followed them.

>>130329163
Buddhism is an atheistic religion so it is correct to label western atheism as a religion.

>>130320489

> Lol look at my shitty strawman pic

> atheism btfo

Then we get to the question

>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created due to a reaction between atoms and particles but not God?

Because we actually know atoms and particles exist

>If there was no God, then "who" was behind all of those gigantic celestial which cover our universe?

I guess there must be a who, because you formulated your question that way.

>Why do all atheists believe that Religious people (specifically attacking Christian) are dumb when it's actually the opposite?

Well if you're so sure, good for you?

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>>130321071
this

>>130320489
Me ..it was me who did it....umm you're welcome or I'm sorry ..that's up to you.

>>130333340
Depends on the sect. Many believe humans come back as gods to instruct humanity.

>>130333340

>Buddhism is an atheistic religion

Not exactly.

Budddhism just does not believe in an anthropomorphic ideation of God.

>>130325613
>science is a jewish conspirancy
people can't be this supid

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>>130320489
>Big Bang
>Atheist

>>130330677
This. My mind gets blown to shreds everytime I think about it. I love it.

>>130333340

"All As are B"

"Therefore all Bs are A"

Man, this is basic level logic you're failing at. This assumes that your premises are even true, which they're not, buddhism is not all atheistic.

>>130330353

>There was no before

Just as there is no after.

The cycle simply is.

Its in the bible, idiots, "let there be light" refers to God setting in motion the big bang which in turn created particles that eventually formed stars, planets, people, and literally everything else.

How else would all matter come from a single point and suddenly expand outward into an infinite space? Last I checked the theories of the universe pre-big bang are all as asinine as any religious story of creation

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>>130321071
>Chritians
>BTFO because of Science
>Over 500 years
Did you get your World Knowledge from Family Guy
>B-Bu-But
>Family Gut Told me this

Good job anon

>>130333340
>buddhism is an atheistic religion
Out of all Harris works, this is by far his worst. It's complicated but giving Buddhism the moniker atheist because you find the exercises valuable but would be embarrassed to use them otherwise is disgraceful and disingenuous.

Faith shouldn't have anything to do with science. Orthodox PhD student in engineering here; atheists are too edgy and creationists are too retarded. Also, climate scientists aren't real scientists.

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>B-Bu-But
>Christianity is Anti-Science
>R-Rig-Right G-Guys?

>>130320489
You are assuming the Universe is something. It is merely a quantum particle expanding to fill a false vacuum. You also assume that a lack of Universe is nothing. See >>130333099

Infinity THIS
Infinity THAT
I am sick and tired of people using infinity as some magic wand which makes things appear and disappear. Infinity is a meaningless concept brought to replace God, and it does so at a detrimental cost to society.
SHOW ME THIS INFINITY
COUNT ME THIS INFINITY
No where in this Universe can I see INFINITY.

You cannot accept that the universe was always there or come from nothing. But you can accept a god that was always there and came from nothing. If you ask the question 'who made the universe', you should also ask yourself the question 'who made God'?

Don't be a fucking retard, think for yourself, and don't accept every fucking thing you grew up with as a kid. The world has wasted a lot of resources and time on bullshit like this.

>>130325613

Who made your God? If God always existed why can't the Universe also just always have existed?

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>>130320489
You got it wrong OP

>>130320489
>>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created due to a reaction between atoms and particles but not God?

Because accepting the existence of God or gods implies divine judgement for bad human behaviour (aka sin). So people resort to mental gymnastics in an attempt to escape the consequences of their devious behaviour.

The fine tuning of the universe for the existence of life should be enough evidence to prove the intelligent design of the universe aka cosmic consciousness aka God.
But God means judgement and nobody likes that. So scientists come up with the multiverse "theory".
In fact the multiverse "theory" is just a belief. A true scientific theory has a null hypothesis, a methodology to get empirical results, results which can be replicated by peer scientists in separate experiments in different space-time frames. I don't see any of that. What I see is "let's asume there's a multiverse to explain the fine tuning of the universe, anything but an incredibly intelligent cosmic consciousness/ sentient being/ overpowered entity who engineered the universe for human life to exist".

>>130334779
>You are assuming the Universe is something. It is merely a quantum particle expanding to fill a false vacuum.
Surely a quantum particle or whatever is something, rather than nothing.
>false vacuum
Is that a play on words? Show me this "true vacuum," of course there is no such thing.

>>130321244
there was no beginning?

>>130330352
Act like an asshole to fellow human beings and you will see how he "interacts". Some call this the punishment of God. Others call it karma. What would you call it?

>>130335760
>Act like an asshole to fellow human beings

Then fellow human being will treat you the same or worse, what's that got to do with God?

>>130332630
In other words, his existence is not contingent on any condition as ours is. Aristotle refered to him as "the unmoved mover." He is the uncaused cause.

To us, the concept of eternity seems foreign because we are bound by the restraints of time, a physical component of the universe. God is under no such restraint.

>>130335286
Because the physical evidence shows that that the universe has a begining and is still expanding.

Hell is for ever!

there were no reactions bween atoms and particles at the point of the big bang and shortly after bc atoms and particles hadn't formed. suffice it to say, what happened before the big bang is irrelevant because it happened before the universe existed and can never be known. maybe a god made the big bang but it's useless to talk about that.

atheists believe christians are dumb bc most of them reject scientific evidence wout being able to understand it in the first place and think a few stories and parables and philosophies are more concrete than centuries of rigorous mathematical and scientific knowledge. there's no reason the ideas have to be mutually exclusive and if a christian is so fascinated by god's beautiful creation they should learn the physics behind it bc it's a lot more interesting than the 'explanations' you find in the bible.

>>130328273
I don't know what the muslim god thinks about science, but I know that the Christian God is ok with science, He wants you to seek Him out.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-7-7/
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you".
Do research on stuff like the golden ratio, the Fibbonaci sequence, the fine tuning of the universe for the existence of life. All of it indicate the existence of intelligent design aka God.

>>130335470
>creates humans
>creates gays
>hates gays
>punishes gays
>hates him own creation
>punishes his own creation
This god is a retard
Imagine purposely making a russian speaking robot, and then punishing it for speaking russian.
This is how stupid your god is.

>>130320489
It's a little weirder than that.

Either Chaos Theory is true and something can come from nothing (this could include an all powerful creator suddenly appearing.)

Or there is an eternal creative force such as God, Gods or The Force from Star Wars, etc. All the major religions say that such beings can indeed create something from nothing.

Existence is a paradox, anon.

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>>130321071
science != posmodernism

>>130336575

Ok well I'm convinced

>>130320489
It makes perfect sense once you realize we're in a simulation. Big Bang was the booting of the simulation, and "God" is simply the creator of the simulation.

>>130336870

Earth is a video game of epic proportions

>>130336637
Any christcucks care enough to respond to this?

>>130336547
You're assuming that this God would have no interest in us and that he wouldn't reveal himself to us in some way.

>>130337139
>>130336637

Maybe gayness is a manmade creation

>>130337233
Homosexuality also exists in the animal word. What the fuck are you on about?

>>130330039
Time doesnt physically exist, get that nonsense out of your mind. Time is an abstraction for people to measure how objects change

And before some chucklefuck yells out muh spacetime, that word is a descriptor for the medium through which light and gravity interacts with matter. Time is not a tangible, physical object nor a force. It is " made up " so to speak.

For fucks sake

1)It didn't "explode", the Big Bang is an admittedly bad term. It EXPANDED.

2) You think because something is non-intuitive it's wrong. If you had a really heaby object in one hand and a really light object in the other and there was no wind resistance, your intuition would tell you the heavy object would fall faster. This is not true, because intuition doesn't men shit in science.

3) Space-Time was created AFTER the Big Bang, the laws of causality started AFTER the big bang, acausality is NON-INUITIVE but that doesn't make it wrong.

READ A FUCKING BOOK, IT'S RIDICULOUS WE'RE STILL ARGUING ABOUT THIS IN CURRENT YEAR

>>130337139

>if you have any issue with bbt then you are a christian

I was tired of this autistic shit 15 years ago.

Big Bang is a social construct designed by kikes to force down the black pill of nihilism

>>130337292

Maybe in the animal world its just accidental dumb animals resorting to their baser instinct to put dick in hole

>>130337233
God created humanity. If god did everything, then there is no way there isn't anything that doesn't come from god itself.

Plate tectonics is a jewish hoax. Long ago a celestial body struck the Earth and created an expansion bubble. This expansion bubble today is known as the Pacific Ring of Fire. These tectonic semites try to explain this away as "continental drift". Don't believe their lies people.

>>130333340
So when people say "Namida Amida Butsu", they aren't asking for help from Amida Butsu?
Buddha and the western conception of a "diety" are different, but saying they aren't a religion when they have unquestionable holy texts and temples and priests is silly.

>>130337508
The point is god created humans in his own image. And at the same time they are capable of being gay. AND AT THE SAME TIME he fucking hates them and punishes them. What the fuck is he doing?

>>130321071

That opposition between science and christianity is only believed by faggots nowadays.

We have cleared that out already.

>>130337292

Social mammalian hierarchy ritualistic displays of dominance in which no party cums no babies are made and no pair bonding occurs ain't human faggotry faggot.

It more closely resembles prison rape.

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>>130337139
When gays are dying 8 to 20 years younger, suffering mental illness and 44 times more HIV, 17 times more anal cancer, telling them to deny themselves IS Love, you fucking moron. Stop fucking other morons you stupid fucking apes. Stop making it your identity.

>>130337521

Earthquakes are caused by Satan farting in hell.

>>130337319
>3) Space-Time was created AFTER the Big Bang, the laws of causality started AFTER the big bang, acausality is NON-INUITIVE but that doesn't make it wrong.
But where did the matter for the Big Bang come from?

>>130320489
Accoording to the ancient Greeks, thats how the universe began.

Who created the creator. We're an alien ant farm:

http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

>>130320489
Belief that everything was created due to a reaction between atoms and particles has nothing to do with disbelief in god. All that being an atheist means is you lack belief in deities, you do not have to believe specific things about the creation of the universe.

Asking "who" was behind anything assumes that it must necessarily be a "who" and not some naturalistic process.

Not all atheists believe that religious people are dumb, but you're a good example of why they think some religious people are dumb.

>>130336693
>Either Chaos Theory is true and something can come from nothing

What sort of sperg retardation leads one to think chaos theory means everything being made from nothing?

"Hey look complex systems require more energy to maintain then simple systems....there is no God"

What the fuck?!?!?

>>130336637
I'm an atheist who was raised around angry devout Christians.

They would say something like "God gave man free will. That means that men can also choose to be sinful (evil.) Free will means that God will not be intervening on a regular basis which is why he is only seen by the most faithful people."

I was never really satisfied with that explanation. If there is a God or something like him, he is taking a hands off approach to the world.

>>130321244
Bro, you have an empty bowl before you can eat cereal. that bowl stay empty until you fill it. to the cereal, you are god. Understand?

>>130320489
It's a test bestowed to humans by God.

>>130337942
There wasn't any matter, but there was light. Photons can spontaneously create themselves, this is proven by observation. When they have enough energy, they decay into a particle and an anti-particle. Photons can decay into bosons which can decay into protons, the mass of the universe comes from such decay.

And even if we didn't know this, even if this current theory was wrong, just because we don't know something doesn't mean GOD DID IT is a good answer, that's called Worshipping gaps/The God of the Gaps. It's a logical fallacy to say "We don't YET know-THere fore God.

A cave man could say. What is fire? We don't know-THEREFORE GOD

>>130338274
Chaos Theory would include the possibility that something can come from nothing, but that occurrence would be extremely unlikely.

Either the paradox of existence is frying your cuck brain or you need to own up to the fact that something is going on around you.

Don't worry, you can still be a faggot who spreads disease for pleasure. Until Judgement Day. If the God of the Abrahamic people is real.

>>130337182
i'm not assuming anything. that's metaphysics and we can argue and philosophize about it all day but we'll never reach a solution. people have different perceptions and that's why we rely on rigorous science to test our ideas.

>>130338544

But Jesus said we shouldn't test God because God doesn't test us.

>>130321495
>Human processes make no sense whatsoever thermodynamically

For you

>>130338114
>implying consciousness only exists in the third dimension.

>>130335179
>you should also ask yourself the question 'who made God'?

Asking the question "who made God" implies the existence of someone else who made God in the first place. Another God? This is a silly question.
In the Bible (KJV) in Exodus 3:14 is mentioned "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
God exists through Himself and from Himself because He is existence itself and the very source of existence in contrast with non-existence, if you understand what I am trying to say.

>>130338584
Where did the energy for the light come from?

>big stars collapse into singularities from the force of their own gravity from which not even light can escape

>A singularity made of the entire mass of the universe explodes....

The Big Bang is fucking retarded!!!

>>130338947
>>130338584

you're both kind of off. look up quantum fluctuations.

>>130338947
The photon. Again, you don't seem to get causality doesn't work at this point, spontaneous creation can happen without CAUSE.

Why are you perfectly comfortable saying "God has always existed and no one created God", but can accept no one created a FUCKING PHOTON.

Who created God then? being of so much energy and matter than it shat out a universe?

But because quantum mechanics and cosmology are non-intuitive, it's basically pointless. People will always cling to their stupid shit

>>130335508
>Is that a play on words? Show me this "true vacuum," of course there is no such thing.
You're right there is no such thing as a vacuum. Even without a Universe there is no such thing as nothing. The Great Architect exists outside of our frame of space, time and consciousness.

>>130338847
We are shown so many signs of infinites yet we cling for anything suggesting otherwise

>>130328279
Neckbeard faggot besmirches all the STEM heads who make a difference. Fuck hipsters, they are wannabe scientists

>>130320489
>So in the beginning there was nothing... And then God appeared?

Doesn't make more sense to me. I chose to be honest and say that I have no idea about any of this. I guess I'll see when I die.

>>130320489
The universe is a paradox just like God. Deal with it and lead a productive life instead of being a faggot.

>>130339266
>Why are you perfectly comfortable saying "God has always existed and no one created God", but can accept no one created a FUCKING PHOTON.
I'm not. I see no value in speculating creationism, especially when it becomes a "God vs Science" thing. I'm merely asking questions.
>>130339239
This kind faggot is giving me reading material on the matter, which I'm about to read up on since I'm spending yet another Saturday night alone on /pol/

Time was created as this universe was created, so before then, there was no time.

For a human, it is literally impossible to imagine reality without time, therefore it's totally plausible to imagine a different reality that came before this one or perhaps there are several running simultaneously.

>>130321244
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=KJV
In the begining there was God. Pretty rude of you to call him nothing. Sure our universe was empty, but that doesn't mean something (God) didn't exist.

>>130338397
Who created God?

>>130339786
Oh sorry then. I thought you were just being an asshole, but if you don't know and want to learn something, that's of course perfectly fine.

>>130336063
God forgives you for being an asshole, as long as you send Jesus your bill, like being aware of being an asshole. Self righteous assholes will be put with the death jews and muslims into the eternal pit.

>>130337517
Not true. Then you would have to say sin comes from God, which we know God can have no part in. God made humans in His image, including free choice. From such, many things have been created without God.

>>130320489
Learn to make a quality post. What the fuck? are you actually using greentext as a bulletin list?

Im an atheist, I don't believe in god OR the big bang, i belive in this:

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hydrogen/index.html

>>130340301
God isn't a person. That nothing that the big bang happened in, is God. without form, infinite, alpha and omega, the balance of good v. evil, yin/yang, life is about duality and balance. That is God.

>>130341270
Which, incidentally, Makes God completely compatible with science. Especially when you consider that it takes exactly the same amount of faith to not believe as it does to believe.

>>130341270
There is no good and evil you retard, they are created moral concepts made by men because man is a social animal

Man Not Kill=More people around to help find food, defend against animals and get laid

Man Kill=He go against the benefit of the species and get exiled/executed.

And life is not duality, just because there is a night and a day, doesn't mean there isn't early fucking evening and dawn and a million stages in between.

You just keep simplifying everything because SIMPLE=RIGHT

Oh fuck this, wasting time using science on /pol/

>>130340301
In a reality without time, there is no beginning or creation, there just -is-. So it makes sense for there to be a God.

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>>130336637
faggot detected

>>130336637
Gays are not created by God. You know nothing of spiritual warfare. The woman giving birth to a gay boy was not a saint, I am certain of that. Sin sticks to a human like a dirty glue. So obviously a slutty, ungodly woman can give birth to an abomination.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+6%3A12-13&version=ESV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

>>130341849
It would be a whole lot better if you actually understood science. The first sign of light, is the absolute end of darkness, dolt. I'll pray for you, you science for me. Deal?

>>130320489
If there was nothing where did god come from?

>>130342412
see >>130341913

>>130342257
I just, I had to respond to this. You are an amazing troll. Do you actually think that there is no light in the way you are using the word "darkness"? Do you actually think you could SEE in absolute darkness, or that anything could live in it. Do you think NIGHT is equal to DARKNESS in its proper usage?

10/10, now I'm done. 10 FUCKING 10

>>130320489
>>Why do all atheists believe that Religious people (specifically attacking Christian) are dumb when it's actually the opposite?
Because you make stupid posts like this which just shows you don't understand what you are talking about.

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>>130321071
lol modern science owes its very existence to Christianity. Atheism only seems obvious to you because you don't know what you're talking about. Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck, Albert Einstein all believed in a god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_Christianity_in_civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates

>>130342494
But where did god come from?

>>130321244
think about it m8

I just want everyone to realise a simple thing.
An omnipotent, unlimited, all knowing being can be an explanation for literally anything. Think about it, and realise that he is not there.

>>130323338
>krauss

gimme a break. krauss is a child

>>130343176
>Some faggot on /pol/ calls a very smart and interesting scientist a child
Look in the mirror mate

>>130342991
It didn't come from anywhere, for God to come from something would imply there was a chronological order before this universe was created and there wasn't.

Again, it's literally impossible for a human brain to comprehend reality without time, so it's very difficult to imagine.

>>130338584
God of the gaps is just human lazyness for not seeking God. He is not against science, he is against sin.
God wants us to seek Him. The ones who created the big bang theory were devout christians, weren't they?
Matthew 7:7-8King James Version (KJV)
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

>>130343300
Krauss, you don't have to shill your channel here and get bootyblasted when criticized.
I'm sure you have better things to do. Maybe make solar energy independently competitive?

>>130333340
buddhism isnt necessarily atheistic. it just doesnt make a specific god claim. very different things, anon.

>>130343537
Krauss is not from lithuania

>>130337829
>anal cancer
>being this butthurt

seriously though, folks, everyone knows homosexuals are mentally unstable. we love our gays, dont we?

>>130342991
Only universal things need a cause. It can't be inferred from the necessity of a creator that there is no creator.

>>130338021
Untrue. Some believed that the universe is eternal, beginning and ending incessantly.

>Read more Plato.

>>130341270
>the balance of good v. evil, yin/yang, life is about duality and balance. That is God.
this anon gets it.

>>130338331
>If there is a God or something like him, he is taking a hands off approach to the world.

Maybe, maybe not.

When you consider how the world has continued on in spite of atrocities, wars, natural disasters, it's nothing short of a miracle that we're still here at all.

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>>130343173
>God can be an explanation for literally anything, therefore He doesn't exist
Surely you aren't this stupid? This is axiomatically a non sequitur.

The amount of unironically brain-dead cunts in this thread.

You guys are ISIS westernised.

>>130341849
there is good and evil, anon. there is.

>>130340301
>Who created God?
>>130338847

>>130320489
If matter and energy cant be destroyed, were is it all from?

>>130320489
>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created due to a reaction
>Sky daddy just makes more sense!

::Predictable end of thread arguments::
>atheists allays pushing their---
And yet you're the one who made the thread.
Look, Don't ask if you don't want an answer.
/thread

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>>130344329
>"there is a materialistic explanation"
>why?
>"there is a materialistic explanation"
>what is it?
>"you're stupid"
That probably pretty much sums up the gaytheists in this thread.

i have no idea how it all started, and frankly i don't need to know. it would be nice to know though.

but i'm not about to jump on the bandwagon about some man/thing just making all of it in six day by saying some words, and then he needed a seventh day for rest.

>>130343300
hes a child. plain and simple. why else would an "astrerrrfizzisist" go on talk shows and write faggy books shilling his half-baked shit to the uneducated masses. you honestly think that in 500 years anything this guy says will hold up to scrutiny? you think 500 years from then that those same people who kekd at krauss will hold any kind of weight? this is all leeches, bloodletting and adjustment of humours.

get real m8. krauss is a reductionist and a fraud. he doesnt even understand the very basic fundamentals of religion, yet makes himself out to be its destroyer. if you fall for his shit youre truly brainless

>>130320489
On that same retarded creationist logic I may ask - what made God?

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>>130344867
He's also a fedora-tipping version of this guy.

>>130320489
>ignorant fool who doesn't know the universe has been shrinking into something the size of his mums dignity and expanding into something the size of his mums asshole for eternity.

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>>130344965
Why does every faggot who asks this think they're asking some profound question? You're like a goldfish debating another goldfish saying "Oh yeah? Then who made the humans? checkmate" It can't be inferred from the necessity of a creator that there is no creator. Therefore existence implies an uncreated creator. With God being omnipotent, this shouldn't be difficult to understand.

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>>130345244
>it's been happening forever therefore it doesn't need a logical cause
non sequitur. Go back to whereever you came from, you fucking pseudophilosopher.

It's impossible or anything to exist within time and space. Because it would require a creator. And if you find it, that would require a creator. Nothing can come from nothing.
Therefore, this is proof God exists. Something outside of time and space had to intervene to give a first cause.
God has no creator or beginning, because he is outside of space and time where these concepts have no meaning.

>>130344965
God is spiritual, not material. Matter is born, maintains for some time, and then is destroyed. It's the nature of matter to constantly be in flux and changing through these states. Spiritual energy on the other hand is eternal, unchanging, and unborn. To ask who created God implies a materialistic conception of God.

If you believe in God, you are a stupid cunt. How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that?

>>130345314
>existence implies an uncreated creator
Nicely put. That is what I'm trying to say. A few seconds thought and you have logical proof that God exists.

>>130345623
The laws of physics have been consistent since observable time. Explain that.

Oh lemme guess, it was all random and DNA came around because of so much randomness?

>>130345623
Solid argument, made me realize how much of a fool I was.>>130345650

>>130345528
Yea I don't see why people have such a hard time understanding this concept.

This thought was extremely easy for me to stumble across and was the immediate red flag that God exists.

>>130343173
Just because He is omnipotent and omnicient doesn't mean He doesn't exist. It's just people are too lazy to seek Him or too afraid to accept His existence because Jugdement day.
Others are too ignorant/ greedy to care about a god. All the while God will not force His will upon us.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

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>>130345623
Not believing in God is only not understanding what God is. It's like you've watched cartoons of a sky wizard and assume that's what Christians believe.
>it is though
No it isn't
>it is though
...

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>>130345314
Amen

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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

>>130345623
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Isaiah 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
I am sorry for you.

>>130320489
Big Bang theory is not the only possible universal origin theory. There is also a cyclical universe theory, multiverse theory, and others.
>>130345314
It is ignorant and superstitious, not to mention supremely arrogant and Jewish, to believe that the God or whatever that allegedly created the universe gives a shit about you.

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actual picture i took of jesus one day on google earth

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flat earth proves god

oh theres a dome over a flat geocentric world? exactly like the bible

who would have thunk

atheists believe in many myths of the satanic science industry. evolution, globe earth, big bang, etc

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>>130346735
>translation: WAAAAAAAAAA ;_;
It is ignorant and superstitious, not to mention supremely arrogant and Jewish, to believe that the God or whatever that allegedly created the universe doesn't give a shit about you. God's having created the universe implies he gives a shit. One cannot do something of their own free will and not give a shit. Knowing Him confirms this. Crying like a little babby isn't proof of otherwise.

>>130320489
>Why do atheists insist on believing that everything was created due to a reaction between atoms and particles but not God?

how did the sub atomic particles get there?

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>>130346735
>Big Bang theory is not the only possible universal origin theory. There is also a cyclical universe theory, multiverse theory, and others.
Yeah that's called "moving the goal posts," m8. Infinity doesn't negate necessity of logical cause. Ironically, the question would be "Then who caused the cyclical universe or multiverse?"
>it's infinite; it doesn't need creation
non sequitur and creation != cause

>>130336063
>Then fellow human being will treat you the same or worse, what's that got to do with God?

That's not what I meant. Act like an asshole, decieve them, steal from them, kill them and kill the witnesses, think you can get away with it and when you least expect it, divine retribution will come for you. Not like getting caught by authorities, but like having your son getting cancer and having to give all money you stole for chimotherapy and he still dies. Something like that.

>>130322774
Why are you fucking mongoloids still arguing about this shit? It literally has no bearing on the one faggot life we have to live.
>but god
>but science
Who gives a fuck? What does any of this have to do with life--with blowjobs and Wes Anderson movies. With lagers and stouts? With love and loss? With fingerblasting that girl down the street, or getting the shit kicked out of you by her boyfriend. LIVE faggots! Stop wondering why or how you're here.

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>>130348080
>LIVE faggots! Stop wondering why or how you're here.

good goy
do what thou wilt - t. satan aleister crowley

Ecclesiastes 11:9
Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

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>>130348080
>It literally has no bearing on the one faggot life we have to live.
This very statement presupposed God doesn't exist, retard.

>>130348302
Not really, it just presupposes there is no heaaven or hell. Which would make sense if you presuppose that there is a God who is just.

>infinite punishment for a finite crime

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>>130348444
worst mistake of your life because it does exist

doesnt matter what kind of human logic you think

god hates these wicked fucks

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>>130348240
>Ecclesiastes
Oy Vey

>>130335286
>Who made your God?
Asking the question "who made God" implies the existence of someone else who made God in the first place. Another God? This is a silly question.
In the Bible (KJV) in Exodus 3:14 is mentioned "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
God exists through Himself and from Himself because He is existence itself and the very source of existence in contrast with non-existence.
>If God always existed why can't the Universe also just always have existed?
See above. God is the source, and he is infinite while the universe is the finite outcome, with a beggining and an end.

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>>130348444
By "God" I mean the Christian God who is the only God. Your ignorance doesn't imply other people should also be ignorant. You're like a retard yelling at his friends escaping Plato's cave "Dude, just enjoy the shadows on the wall..."

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>>130348757
>You're like a retard yelling at his friends escaping Plato's cave "Dude, just enjoy the shadows on the wall..."

nice allegory

>>130348444
And wtf is a finite crime? Do you mean to imply actions are temporally finite therefore so should be the implications? That is axiomatically a non sequitur.

>>130320489
atheism is a religion. they BELIEVE that everything came from nothing with absolutely NO PROOF. just silly unproven THEORIES.

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>>130344096
Translation;
>God is special and super cool, so he doesn't need to be caused. He's also got booster thrusters!
Yeah, well, did you know that there was a salami sandwich that didn't need to be caused in the beginning as well? Why didn't God mention that? Checkmate.

But in all seriousness, if God doesn't need a cause then the existence of the big bang doesn't either.

>>130349139
God isn't matter.

>>130323081
Not beginning of universe, beginning of earth

>>130320489
>Debate atheist on this exact issue
>"LOL so like what you saying? Some like sky man created everything? Like LMAO do you even science bro?"
>"So you're saying the big bang created everything?"
>"I'm like durrrr science"
>"And science says you can't get something from nothing?"
>"Exactly so if you need something to create something because it like can't come from like nowhere who created G-"
>"The big bang? That's exactly what I was thinking. If you need something to get something and the big bang created everything then how was the big bang created?"
>Tries to punch me
>Disclaimer: Word for word accurate

They're like leftists when you use their own "logic" against them. Their "logic" is just like the (((science))) meme. It's their weapon and anyone they disagree with isn't allowed to use it (God forbidden you even go near a middle ground). Every time I hear these retards showing their lack of self awareness, they're total stupidity and complete lack of morals, I just think one thing

>Gallows

>>130348240
Ecclesiastes 11:9 says that man has free will to choose sanctity or sin but he is warned there is judgement for sin.
Notice how Aleister Crowley twisted the scriptures, mentioning the free will part but conveniently avoids the punishment part.

athiests are fucking retarded. they WORSHIP SCIENCE yet can't wrap their heads around the fact that we are only 3 dimensional beings who cannot perceive higher dimensions of reality.

>>130349193
God doesn't matter*

Ftfy

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>>130349139
you forgot to mention the part where the world was flat so there was no big bang to start with

and makes atheism totally bogus

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>>130345650
Then why has no philosopher have been able to come up with such a logical proof that hasn't been utterly raped by every philosopher afterwards? Run me through this proof, I can guarantee there a shit ton of questionable assertions and some precarious logic sprinkled in.

>>130346102
>God is stupid
>lol you just don't understand
Great argument.

>>130336870
This. Our God is a bored comp sci drop out.

This is the truth.

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There was never a beginning

>>130349193
Neither was the big bang.

>>130349450
Even if that were the case and we are His simulation, it would still mean He's our creator.

>>130335622
Right because causality doesn't apply to your shitty belief system. God these atheists will never learn.

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>>130320489
Not a good explaination of reality OP. Our universe is said to be hollow at center, like something exploded into it. The same could have happened when ours formed. Just 4 fun what if black hole matter could come together in another dimension, then explode into a new reality. Just a thought. What lies beyond the edge of our Universe is unknown to us and may always be. Our matter is a product of our space time and we never go outside of that for risk of destroying ourselves.

>>130345484
The initial premise is simply an assumption.
And one that gets thrown out the window as soon as convenient.

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Proof of god. Lights on the firmament thousands of miles away. Not suns light years away.

Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

A Star Close Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xFd1gvkdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLu9fcQI4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjcaJpMWyc

>>130320489
why the fuck do people NOT want there to be a god? Who wants to fucking die and it be over?

>>130345528
>>130346016

>Nothing can come from nothing
>Except God.

>Special pleading.

>>130345314
>i dunno what created the universe so uhhh durr i think god made it!
>what made god? God made himself!!
You cant really be taking this logic srsly.

>why assume a god? Why not just the universe created itself?

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>>130321244
>in the beginning the earth was void and without form

>>130349740
Ok cool. It also means that the Bible is completely irrelevant.

>>130349997
We all want to have meaning in life, mate. A life in service to a god is just one path amongst many.
Also wishfully hoping a god exists doesnt simply make it so.

>>130321438
What? That an atom is 99% empty?
That there is a world beyond quarks that we can't comprehend because it too small to measure so we just rely on theories? That the double slit test might prove we live in a simulation?

>>130349374
Fuck off mate, that video is just some tissue paper, lighting and a fucking car antenna in some basement.

>>130349347
I'm sure you'll keep saying that when you're in hell.
>>130349439
What you believe doesn't exist is simply not what Christians believe. If you knew God, you would know He exists.
>>130349636
Yes it was. "Matter" refers to the physical. Your false analogy is obvious.
>>130350115
>>i dunno what created the universe so uhhh durr i think god made it!
Not this strawman, again... Christians infer God's existence as the best explanation and from personal experience of Him.
>>what made god? God made himself!!
And yet you think it's perfectly reasonable that matter made itself. God is omnipotent and uncaused.
>commie is too stupid to think
big surprise

>>130349997
>Who wants to fucking die and it be over?
Buddhists, Hindus and Satanists

>>130349139
>But in all seriousness, if God doesn't need a cause then the existence of the big bang doesn't either.
That's where you're wrong. This universe we live in is subject to the laws within in. Therefore cause and effect still apply. God on the other hand created the very laws of the universe and triggered them. Then shit hit the fan and galaxies everywhere.

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>>130349997
>i'm so mentally weak i want to fuck over my logical thinking to convince myself of the existence of an unverifiable super daddy so he'll bring me to the amusement park in the sky when i die
Personally, it sucks having taken the atheist pill, but I wouldn't have it any other way. The truth matters more than feels.

>>130349937
absolutely retarded shit, I lost some brain cells watching that.

>>130350115
Better yet.
>God just is!
>okay, the universe just is.
>NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
It hurts me deeply to know people can be this retarded.

>>130321438

So space is actually dark matter? I've been saying it for years but nobody listens.

>>130320489
Faggot

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>>130350602
No one here believes in a super daddy or an amusement park in the sky. You're arguing against a strawman that doesn't exist. The only one showing mental weakness is you.

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>>130350466
every balloon footage is the same

>>130350602
you want proof you dont accept it

youre destined to not believe in god

supernaturally reprobated

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>>130320489
>american education

there was "nothing" in existance, everything that exists today was compressed into a infintely small object and then expanded

not a classical "explosion" like you would think when someome says "big bang"

now how did a singularity just suddenly stop being one? we aren't that far yet and I believe we never will be able to recreate/simulate that situation at the beginning of the universe but we have managed to get as far as 10^-43 seconds so I think the explanation so far and the big bang theory is solid

if you still want to place god somewhere in the creation of everything, just start believing he created the singularity asshole, that way you can at least stop arguing about shit we'll never figure out anyway

>>130323081

There was nothing but then gawd spoke on the waters! So there was water in the nothing.

A few sentences into ye old testament and it's already nonsense.

>>130320489
>I am retarded as an African baboon man

Kill your self

>Why do atheists insist on believing
strawman
>If there was no God, then "who" was behind all of those gigantic celestial which cover our universe?
a combination of a loaded question and an argument from ignorance
>Why do all atheists believe
another strawman and a disgusting generalisation.

This fucking guy cant even ask questions right.

>>130350347
How so? What makes you think He can't manifest in his own created world?

>>130320489
You are too stupid to understand, there is no point in talking about this topic. The side that agrees with me, 1 in 5 have a proper reason for it, the side that doesnt is too dumb to talk to.

>>130350477
>i felt smth hence he exists
Well sure, i can respect that, but that experience apllies only to you. No one else buys it and its sure as hell not evidence of creation
>atheists think matter came from nowhere
No one says that, no one knows how the big bang happened. Its a current mystery in science.
>you dont know? So god did it!
Thats not an answer. Its literally just pretending to have an answer.
>duh commies are stupid
Pls be civil.

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>>130320489
Dumping my favorite atheist meme
Sums it up nicely

>>130320489
The total energy of the universe is 0 so there's STILL nothing.

>>130327551
>>130328766
>>130329602
I forgot who said that after the heat death of the universe upon decquatrillionioni of years after, the last of the matter and free protons to get absorbed by the last black hole, the rip/recycle will be triggered and all the previous universe's matter that was stored some where in the singularity (where it is dumped by all blackholes) will regurgitate and absorb space-time to create a big bang again.
I think I'm butchering it (on mobile and multitasking [ordering meal])... but I hope you get what I mean.

>>130327551

The big bang was just the result of the big crunch. The universe always was and always will be. It's just expands and collapses endlessly and for eternity. It didn't come from anything, it just is.

>>130350477
>What you believe doesn't exist is simply not what Christians believe. If you knew God, you would know He exists.
Oh yeah, I have to FEEL his existence right?
>Yes it was. "Matter" refers to the physical. Your false analogy is obvious.
Energy is not matter. Energy is physical.
Matter does not refer to all physical things. Only a subset of physical things.
It's not my fault you don't know scientific terms and thus don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>Not this strawman, again... Christians infer God's existence as the best explanation and from personal experience of Him.
What personal experience?
>And yet you think it's perfectly reasonable that matter made itself. God is omnipotent and uncaused.
Matter didn't make itself. The big bang created matter.

>>130350598
I can take this either two ways.

Laws don't need to be created, and the big bang was caused by the inherent laws of the universe.

Or The big bang was before the universe and created it, along with the laws.

>>130328460

The universe.

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>>130351110
ya but the universe doesnt acually exist and neither does space and neither does the big bang

thats the problem which atheists are totally in a deceived paradimn so they dont get it

>>130351147
I also forgot that I can also argue the universe always has been. In other words it's uncaused like a certain someone.

>>130350776
So God doesn't exist? Oh wait, you're going to say God is existence itself, but also not existence, and that he sustains existence.

And then I'll just say the same thing I've been saying the whole time, "Well if God is uncaused, then the universe can be uncaused, and I'm going to cut out the middle man."

>>130350796
Brainlets should go back to /x/. Flat earth is certifiable insanity. Get yourself checked out at a mental hospital for everyone's sake.

>>130320489

Atheists need to leave /pol/ with their (((Science))).

If you claim to be redpilled, but you're not a Christian and you watch neil degrasse tyson, then you're a disgrace to the white race. Keep watching bill nye and believing the shit you've been fed. There is a god, he is our creator, deal with it.

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>>130351253

>ya but the universe doesnt acually exist and neither does space and neither does the big bang

Yeah I guess I just don't get it.

Christinsanity, people.

Pic related. It's just a grand illusion.

>atoms and particles
I do not think you understand
The concept of energy, matter, time and space "before" the big bang simply did not exist. There was literally nothing
If God did exist before such happenstance, he would not be made of the same stuff that the big bang made, because before that literally nothing of what we can observe even existed. He's outside space, not made of energy, and conceptually separate from everything that is.

You're thinking of him as a "supernatural presence" or "an unseen power in the entire universe" but in reality, if he was there at the beginning, when quite literally nothing was, he must have been completely separated, detached and not made of anything we could understand.
I wouldn't pray to something like that, I would live in the perpetual fear that it could do anything, be anything or change anything in everything that is.

>>130320489
if you oversimplify anything you can make it sound retarded. your image could just as easily say "so god made a man out of dirt and then made a woman out of the dirt mans rib and then a snake made them eat an apple which made god mad so he created suffering and death to teach us a lesson?"

pretty fucking retarded m8


i wouldnt be going around calling people dumb when you write sentences like those

>>130351498
Keep believing in sky daddy. Yeah, I know that theology has tried to make it sound less ridiculous than that, but that's how it was first conceived.

People literally thought there were motherfuckers in the sky who ran things. And you just fucking ran with that caveman shit. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Well, someone's got to keep those stupid traditions alive am I right?

I mean, at least you aren't the crazies in India who practice cannibalism.

>>130321071
Humans have known the Earth was round since the days of Eratosthenes and the Catholic Church supported the findings of the classical philopsophers and mathematicians.

The idea that the Catholic Church and indeed any large influential body of people in Medieval Europe thought the world was Flat is a semi-modern myth that developed in the Americas in the 1800s.

>>130351147
In both cases you presented, the triggering cause for the laws is still missing. Why do the laws exit the way they do precisely to allow human life?
Scientists present the theory of the multiverse, in which the laws of the universe are different, to explain the fine tuning of OUR universe. But why do the laws in other universes have to be different? And if they are different, what would causing them to be different?

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>>130351616
ya its a computer generated image dip shit

>>130351676
>Keep believing in sky daddy

*tips fedora*

>People literally thought there were motherfuckers in the sky who ran things. And you just fucking ran with that caveman shit. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

You're literally too dumb to have a debate with, you're a sad, sad little nigger.

Enjoy burning in hell, hope being a douchebag in this life was worth it.

>>130352048
>Enjoy burning in hell,
Why are religious people always so sadistic and cruel?

>>130352159
because they get their morals from a book that says slavery is ok and that you cant mix fabrics if you are a woman.

They are also often pretty stupid, tho not because they are religious, they are religious because they are stupid.

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>>130352048
>*tips fedora*

>>130352048
you should pity him for not knowing Jesus number and ask him to pay his bill of sins.

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>>130352048
>*tips another fedora*

>>130352048
>*and another fedora*

>>130350994
You're right, but you still have not provided any evidence that He was actually a Christian entity. It's equally probable that He is Zeus or the Christcuck sky daddy who hates bajillion of arbitrary stuff, or something else completely different. The simple truth that we will never know who the God is without shutting down the simulation and that's why christcucks are deluded.

>>130352159
>>130352159
>>130352289
>>130352304
>>130352339
>>130352365
>Why are religious people always so sadistic and cruel?


We're not, go back to watching the Amazing atheist you fucking heathen.

You lot are pathetic, you wonder why Europe is in decline? Because you simply gave up your Christianity, you gave up your cultures, all for believing in (((science))). Nu/pol/ is seriously pathetic and full of fedora faggots. This is a CHRISTIAN board. You're like one of those 12 year olds that thinks he's smart and a little rebel for telling his mom to fuck off when she asks him to go to church.

>>130349997
What is so bad about nothingness? Better than hell and doing anything for eternity would be hell. I would even get sick of eating pizza and whatever else you are supposed to do for all eternity.

>>130351946
>In both cases you presented, the triggering cause for the laws is still missing.
The laws don't need to be caused.
>Why do the laws exit the way they do precisely to allow human life?
If I roll a 10^26-D infinite times, I'll roll a critical, guaranteed. There need be no "meaningful" answer to human life.

>Scientists present the theory of the multiverse, in which the laws of the universe are different, to explain the fine tuning of OUR universe. But why do the laws in other universes have to be different? And if they are different, what would causing them to be different?
Multiverse theory is unsubstantiated sci-fi circle-jerking.

>Enjoy burning in hell, hope being a douchebag in this life was worth it.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention cavemen thought they'd sink into the ground where there was a fiery pit, where they'd suffer eternal punishment if they didn't listen to their tribe daddy. lol

>>130352680
>Because you simply gave up your Christianity
what the hell? Are you jewish by any chance, or simply to retarded...wait you are Protestant. Forget it, go work.

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>>130351023
>No one else buys it and its sure as hell not evidence of creation
Except people who aren't dense idiots. Also:
>I can't read
God is an inference to the best explanation. Atheism is a slothful induction fueled by butthurt.
>Its a current mystery in science.
>but there's a materialistic explanation, I promise!
appeal to ignorance
>>you dont know? So god did it!
>what is a strawman
>what is proof by repeated assertion