reminder that western civilization was built on the principles

>>130320309
Nordic=/=Only Whites

>>130320567
nordic =/= what western civilization was built on.

nordic = barbarians called vikings. rape and pillage savages, like Gauls

western civilization was built on principles of the greeks, and greeks are not white.

>>130320967
Romans, Iberians and Ancient Greeks are/were white, but not nordic. A person who doesn't have light hair and eyes can be white, like Joseph Goebbels

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>>130321259
>Romans, Iberians and Ancient Greeks are/were white
lol no

>Daily D&C thread
Remember to sage.

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>>130321259
>Romans, Iberians and Ancient Greeks are/were white
nice try Nigel

>>130321593
nice argument, retard.

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>>130321425
shut up hans! nordics and northerners are not white, the gothics came from the asian steppes and from 400s-1500s your area was commonly invaded by asians from the steppes

>>130321789
nah retard, they are white, and greeks and romans are not.

blue eyes and blond hair = white
those were the barbarian savages fighting against non-white romans and greeks

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>average Greek/Roman

>>130322068
more like barbarian gaul

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>>130321942
there's more to race than the hair or eyes, there are chinks that are blue eyed or have blond hair, the important is in the genes, and yours Hans are full of gothic and mongol genes. Mediterraneans are the only whites

>>130322068
maybe after the germanics raped them all

>>130322516
Real coping hours for you.

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>>130322721
>coping hours
>the absolute irony

>>130321789
Varg is trying to control /pol/ and he has brought his army of nordicists with him

>>130322701
>there's more to race than the hair or eyes
yes there is more, including hair and eye color.

that is why the blonds were barbarians and dark haired greeks were civilized.

>>130321942
So if two blonde hair blue eyed people have a kid with brown hair(because of recombination of genes or whatever), that kid isn't white?

fuck off kike, your diversory tactics won't work here

>>130322701
Where's this art from, and is there any more?

>>130322809
varg is a complete disaster:
>killed friend
>burned church
>lives in france and probably dosn't even have a job since he dosn't speak french

>>130323139
Thanks NatSoc! The Blue Division salutes you

>>130323198
I know

greeks and romans were better than whites they invented this shit

im white but not an ingrate

ty based meds

ITT: WE WUZ-tier barbarians in denial

>>130322817
so you agree? snowniggers are just like niggers, complete inferiors that the only propose they had was to entertain the romans and serve as fuck toys, nordics literally didn0t accomplish nothing by themselves more than raping and sacking innocent christians, nordics are not white they are nearer to the nigger than to the superior caucasian race

>>130323832
>snowniggers are just like niggers
yes, and they are white. meds are not.

>>130320309
When you say western civilization you are referring to the Germanic tribes that destroyed Rome, you know the only true western civilization?

>>130323909
>you are referring to the Germanic tribes
no, I'm referring to what the greeks built and romans copied, and gauls(germans) looted.

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>>130323909
you mean the ones who spent 1000 years LARPing as Romans?

>>130324096
Germans ruin everything.
Man fuck Germans.

>>130323902
we are both caucasian, and white, meds just look tanned white due to the zones they live in, but he have very white people in the south

>>130320309
reminder that germanics, anglos and celts(french) conquered the world between them and invented far more than southern european countries. why would you want to separate yourself from world-conquerors? just because you were a more advanced 2,000 years ago? buddy move on

>>130324096
keked and saved, thank you frater romani

>>130324594
cool, so you are gonna stop pretending to be Romans n sheit? I'm cool with that

btw, if you ever accidentally step on a history book, you might stumble upon something called Spanish and Portuguese Empires

>>130324518
stop this delusion. pathetic.

>>130324594
lol retard.

>>130320309
> Posts pic of white

>>130324594
Spain and Portugal were the most powerful empires from 1500 to 1800 so that's a lie.

>>130324802
>cool, so you are gonna stop pretending to be Romans n sheit? I'm cool with that
no one has done that since the HRE, and even they weren't claiming to be romans 'n' sheit. they were claiming to be the legal successor based off a forged document. they never claimed that their ancestors were romans

>>130325082
>Spain and Portugal
Arabia with a different name

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>>130325120
>no one has done that since the HRE
top kek, yeah let's forget about nordicism and how it totally never happened

>>130325082
how does that disprove anything i said? yeah spain had an alright empire in the 1600s but it was never as big or powerful as britain's and they never invented nearly as much shit.

reminder that britain started the industrial revolution and p much the modern era by extension.

>>130320309
Them some olive skinned muther fuckers.

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>>130325040
You're the pathetic one

>>130325447
>believing what the germans under a non-white psycho believed

>>130320309
That is the quintessential white man you goon

>>130325141
I'm starting to think your girlfriend left you because she couldn't resist the superior med man, that's why you hate us so much.

Conquistadors weren't arabs btw

>>130325040
no, you should stop yours, nordics did not archive anything for themselves
>>130325141
but you know arabs did more things than nordics
>>130325280
actually france started the industrial revolution, and the mongol empire was more extense than the british and well inventions yeah you had quite a lot but so did america, france, germany you were only going through a golden age just like germany or france

>>130325676
>I'm starting to think your girlfriend left you because she couldn't resist the superior med man
hey retard, I'm saying greeks/romans were non-white and superior to whites.

>>130325866
Hey retard, why do you keep saying we're not white despite everyone else in this thread says we are!

>>130326053
>despite everyone else in this thread says we are!
lel what a great source: nu/pol/

white = blond hair and blue eyes + light skin.

greeks and romans were not white and were superior to whites.

spain is a shithole race mixed arab soup anyway, so you are neither of the two.

>>130325866
Let me guess, you're either a leaf, a swedecuck or a germanistani, show your real flag

>>130326053
it's a weird fetish, he only enjoys being cucked by men that are diverse or form part of the multiculturalism

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>>130321425
>>130321942
>>130325141
>>130325513
some things never change

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>>130326230
race is not skin deep
Meds are not white because they do NOT cluster with whites aka Brits/Germans/Scandinavians
French are inbetween

>>130326312
>germanistani
are you retarded? can you not read and understand english?

germans = gauls = barbarians.

all they did was loot non-white civilization (roman/greek of origin)

>>130324096
romans just ripped off greek culture though. hell, they even claimed to be the descendants of greeks. the original kangz

>>130320309
No shit. Race was invented in the 14th Century.

>>130320309

>civilization started in the fertile crescent
>Europeans are still salty over it

Oh sweetie...

>>130326449
aside from the simplistic >american education tier shitpost, no, they claimed to descend from Trojans, not Greeks

>>130326449
this. Greeks are the source of western civilization, and greeks are not white.

>>130320967
Greeks are white. There are many complexions in Europe, having a darker complexion doesn't make you non-white.

>>130326438
It's full of arabs, so it's germanistan. You must be a newfag

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>>130321425
you're an actual shill and/or retard

>>130326564
>Greeks are white
hahaha no they're not retard.

>Gaul german barbarian trying to be the same race as based greeks
nah

>>130326564
>having a darker complexion doesn't make you non-white
good to know, arjun

>>130326638
I think he's both. The JIDF hired the best autist they could find

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>>130326432
The funny thing is that your map is showing exactly the oposite of what your claimming. I see, 'meds' clustering with other europeans and far away of northrnafricans or arabs.

>>130326754
>56%
Expell the niggers and spics and then you can talk

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>>130326754
>I have no argument, so let's resort to name calling

I will not be without Greece.

>>130326449
>>130326558
>being this retarded
the romans are greeks you bunch of autists even latin comes from greek, they claim to descend from the people that fled troy and crossed greece to arrive to italia and later latium, they did not steal anything because they were greeks, romanus sunt domus

>>130326527
huh, i always thought troy was part of ancient greece. well either way, romans notoriously went on to copy damn near all aspects of greek culture, so stop acting so high and mighty spaghetti boy and pay your respects to the true founders of western civilization: the greeks

>>130327041
>I will not be without Greece.
yeah but you(white) are a different race than the greeks.

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>>130327146
>the romans are greeks

>>130326927
I don't think you understand what "clustering" means. Yes, they are closer to other Europeans, at least west Meds, yet they are not in the same cluster, they have their own separate genetics.

Of course the more samples from the world you include, the more Europeans are going to be "crushed" together on a simple PCA. But that's not the point. The point is that Meds and whites are two separate European populations who haven't mixed to any significant degree in the last 2500 years(cit. Ralph&Coop).

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greeks are closer to Iranians than they are to germans. kek

>>130327164
they certainly took a lot but you have to still remember that before they delved deep into Greek culture(after they conquered them) they had already became the top dog of the med by their own doing

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>>130327300
Blond hair and blue eyes, but he's indian (dravidian ALBINO). Does it mean he's white?

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>>130327199
>no counter-arguments
well they are, just read some more about the roman history and linguistics, the latin comes from greek and so do the ancient latins (romans) when you have an argument that supports your autistic position let me know

>>130327630
albino is the lack of color you retard.

>>130327207
rotfl
Meds are not a single entity senpai it's more cultural than anything, and of course diferent nations have their own singular gentic spots, russians have their own, norge their own, slovaks their own, portuguese, irish a nd so on but they belong to the same european familiy and all pca maps prove that.

ITT: spanish mongoloid arabs trying to make themselves believe they're relevant to europe

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>>130321425
Caracalla was aesthetic af

>>130327817
Stop hiding behind flags Hans/Sven

>>130320309
>reminder that western civilization was built on the principles of non-whites and non-niggers.

we shall then group people in their relevant classes:

western civilization is the civilization of CENTUM speaking indo-europeans.

>>130327300
This is a lie of course,just check:

>>130326927

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>>130320309

Sons of Europa! This squabble is folly!

Do not let the Deceivers of Judea divide you!

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>>130327791
keep the denial
look, total overlapping! Meds and Nords totally have similar amounts of steppe ancestry and middle neolithic farmer ancestry, no differences whatsoever!

Have you guys been to Greece?
It's so fucking hot there I can't imagine pale white people even comfortably living there.

>>130323143
i dunno know, i just saw it in /pol/

>>130320967
>nordic =/= what western civilization was built on.

your entire existence, european, is only permitted at the will of the united states.

The united states, in turn, is a nation build on english common law.

English common law is the ancestral germannic legal system of the english people.

your world, european, hinges on whether a bunch of people following germannic law tend to agree with your continued existence or not.


Your roman empire only effects your irrelevant provincial laws. We determine what is law for the planet, though.

>>130326558
Greeks were white before they were under Turkroach rule for several hunread years

>>130328356
>the will of the united states
so the will of Israel, gotcha

>>130328145
it isn't you retard. it's the most recent scientific measurement.

>>130328482
fuck off retard.

>>130320309

is that ronaldo

>>130328261
well andalucia can get to 40ºC and actually Barcelona is about 40ºC and it's full of tourists with pale skin

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>>130327817
No Med would actually say that, time to reveal your flag

>>130328483
Good one, dago

>>130328242
They don´t have to overlap to share genetic proximity more than with any non-european group... the same way that russians don´t overlap with danish, or irish don´t overlap with french, but they share genetic proximity (even bavaria dont genetic overlap in a diff scale with saxony) and i've told you meds are not a single entity. But west,nord, and south europe share genetic proximity

>>130328771
you know it to be true my circumcized friend

>>130327041
>literally admitting to trying to WE WUZ

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>>130320309
Us non-whites + non-niggers have been oppressed from achieving our true form for far too long

>>130327391
very true. it's a wonder that getting btfo by the germans just once was all it took for the romans to leave germania alone

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reminder that Greeks used to look like this

>>130328826
not enough genetic proximity to be considered under the same race, that's my point
there is a differentiation as clear as the sun, thus they should be considered as two distinct European groups
you can consider Russians and other easterners as different as well if you want

>>130329002
nope, see: >>130328982

>norther euro cuck WE WUZ-ing

>>130321259
Let's not forget about Adolf Hitler and his kike ancestors

Can someone tell me if we wuz romans or we wuz nords ? Maybe we wuz mutts ?

t. concerned french

>>130328993
it wasn't that worthy though
Iberians also put up some serious resistance but they were interesting enough that Romans eventually closed in

don't forget a great part of Germany was in fact under Roman control, where they founded the first German cities

>>130329256
>french
you wuz barbarians, like Gauls (germans)

>>130329007
>not enough genetic proximity to be considered under the same race, that's my point

But that is just your wishfull thinking desire as an anti-white or as a non-native of Europe.
Europe besides sharing genetic proximity, shares a civilization, heritage, history. You can´t obliterate that.

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>>130320309
Haha, no, shitskin.

>>130329256
south France is closer and more related to west Meds
the north is closer to whites

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>>130329064
stop denying the truth, Mario
we were the founders of civilization

>>130329369
>wishfull thinking
the data is all there, you are in total denial

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>>130329002
reminder that modern Greeks still look like the ancient ones

>>130329002
The reduced melanin is caused by the lack of sunlight, and blue eyes is a mutation and not natural

whites = mutants

>Dolph Lundgren looks more like a Greek statue than modern Greeks
really makes my asshole itch

>>130328483
is it not good to have an allied warm water port in the levant that's good at shooting at arabs?

Putin seeks the same with his 50 cent israel called "syria". I thought the concept was in vogue. We've just been doing it longer.

It is not israel that dictates our actions, but a balance between our rich (many who are jews, but not israelis) and our armed (who would kill those jews tomorrow if threatened).


United State politics is far above the level of potato niggers such as yourself. Do yourself a favour and have a famine or kill some protestants or something...whatever it is you irrelevant people do.

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>>130329378

btfo mudslim paki

>>130329430
But they mixed since 1000 years.

The south is full of parisian fags who moved from the capital and the capital is full of provincial southern french.

I'm from the south of France and my ancestors litteraly came from all over France, from Normandy to Paris to Corsica ...

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>>130329512
>nu-pol is claiming Greeks were shitskins
kek
here is Dolph Lundgren forgot pic on >>130329567
he looks like a Greek Statue

>>130320309
Kinda literally looks like me especially the lower part of the face like the lips, jawline and chin

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>>130320309
FAAAAAAAG

>>130329567
he really does not
get your eyes checked

>>130326411
Who drew these?
Are there more?

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>>130329670

lol not even close

>>130329572
>>130328483

>potato nigger

whoops, it seems you're a spaghettinigger instead. sorry, all irrelevant nations seem to have the same flag. It's especially difficult when your "countries" start with the same letter.

>>130329662
there probably was some homogenization, sure, but overall there still is a gradient of diversity in France
it's a numbers game, back then people didn't move that much around

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>>130329670
>buttmad nord muslims claiming Greeks were nordic

Look at those blondies with the pale skin.hahahahaha

TOP KEK

>>130329835
it's ok man nobody pretends amerisharters to have 1st world education, the jews do the thinking for you after all

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>>130329493
Yes it's all there, re-check it

>>130329884
Well, I guess you're right, you can still distinguish an average southerner from a notherner ( except in the french riviera, it's a melting pot ). But that don't really matter in the end if what we wuz because in the near future the only thing we will be able to tell is that we wuz mohameds.

>>130320309
>reminder that western civilization was built on the principles of non-whites and non-niggers.
Um, BULLSHIT!

>>130329670
>small eyes
>prominent cheekbones
>short nose
>low facial index
>narrow gonial angle
he is heavily cromagnid, nothing to do with the gracile noble Med look

>>130330057
you are hopeless
you can't see the distinction in a two dimentional space if you include more global samples, that doesn't mean the diversity doesn't exist

>>130330030
your population is physically admixed with arabs since the middle ages.

I have no shame in that semites cloud my mind, given that semites have ruined your bodies.

>>130329337
idk about that, it seems up to that point every roman console was hellbent on conquering the world. julius caesar himself planned on conquering germania right up until his assassination

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>>130330408
stop projecting Karl Tyone Ramirez

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>>130329989
>Look at those blondies with the pale skin.hahahahaha
Painting from the same city at the same time, faggot.

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http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

So many retards...

Almost half of the Emperors up to Commondus had blonde hair.

>>130320967
>greeks are not white.
Lying faggot!

>>130330266
>he is heavily cromagnid, nothing to do with the gracile noble Med look
exactly, the gracile med look didn't exist in Greece at the time
maybe the Minoans were gracile meds, because they might have been Egyptian settlers
but the med type was limited to north africa and the levant
Nordic skull types were the original European types

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>>130330583
>the apricity
>quoting Malalas
>a guy who lived after the WRE had already collapsed and whose chronographia is not taken seriously by any historian

the only conclusion you may get is that they were Selkups
pic related, Roman Emperor according to you nordicists

>>130330446
>>130329337
oops, consul, not console

He looks like my father when he was young

>>130330505
our country is larger than your continent, european. This is only an issue in areas of "minority majority", for obvious reasons.

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>>130330733
>the gracile med look didn't exist in Greece at the time
thanks for the great laugh and for making sure nobody will take you seriously

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>>130321425
>lol no
Faggot, you clearly don't understand a fucking thing about genetic science, so this is going to go right over your AIDS-filled head, but Greeks are most definitely white. Don't let a few nigger invaders fools you.

>>130323832
Do you know that todays south-american whites are more related genetically to the old hispanians, than the spaniards? Spaniard population is 10-15% sub-saharan african, moor and asian mongrel.

>>130320309
We know europe, you love jewish dick.

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>>130330733
>source
>varg the fag

Lol you just buttmad ahmed because you are a mudslim rapebaby

>>130331011
care to explain the picture?

that feel when constantly being harassed by both snowniggers and actual niggers for not paying obeisance to their race

>>130331131
USA = israel 2.0

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>>130330788
> Just saying shit
> Not providing sources

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Reminder that Rome was a NON-WHITE Civilization. There's absolutely nothing white about Romans. They descended from Greeks and North-Africans. They hated white Germanics. Rome was a BROWN Civilization.

>>130331078
>south america was colonized by spanish southerners
>more white than spanish
magyar you fucking mongol keep dreaming

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>>130331556
Even negroes can use Google, I hope you are at least as smart as them. Google who John Malalas his, when he lived and how credible is his work.
Most of those claims come from him.

Moreover, it proves absolutely fuck all. There's millions of fair looking Italians and they aren't one bit whiter than their swarthier compatriots, genetically speaking.

>>130330505
Dude that's bullshit go on statistical atlas dot com and pick any southern state out of the 4 Deep South states where over half of all American blacks live and you'll see what you posted is pew research talking bullshit. 1.4% of all marriages are between whites and blacks. most common are white of either gender/ Hispanic of any gender, and white male asian female.though i guess a rise of .7% to .14% from 1980 to 2017 is a big increase.

>>130327146
WE WUZ EVERYTHING N SHIIIEETTTTT

>>130330535
>Only women who wore make up to look pale are white
>meanwhile alpha bullfighters are olive skinned
really activates my almonds

>>130331834
they were greek unlike you turkish rapebaby, seeing the ole and great Greece become what has nowdays become, a fuck toy of the germans inhabitated by inbred turks

>>130332106
says the moor rapechild

>>130326449
>the Aeneid isn't factual scripture
what did he mean by this?

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>>130331774
> Ignoring all the others sources
> Lay the burden of proof upon me
> Saying the whiter italians aren't whiter then their swarthier counter-parts.
> Being this retarded

>>130331774
They are obviously white europeans

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>>130332245
>no counter argument whatsoever
>full damage control mode: activated

>>130332248
race is not skin deep
you can find white European looking north African or Iranian tribes who are still genetically nothing like white Europeans

>>130332374
>Iranian tribes who are still genetically nothing like white Europeans
mate see: >>130327300

>>130330505
lol a study from a (((left wing universities ethnic studies department))). Did they mention from there study and from pew research they seem so quick to site to prove the white wimminz love for the eternal BBC that between 40-50% of all interracial relationships are between non whites and other non whites?

>>130332221
we had the limpieza de sangre from the 1400s to the 1800s we are more clean than you that only gained independence in the 1800s

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>>130332106
>t shitskin nigger

>>130332464
that's probably an old ass study with very few SNPs used, post the source
a basic PCA will show just how far Iranians are from Europeans

The false flag shilling is hilarious.

You can feel the hatred in many posts.

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>>130332374
> First argument remain unrefuted
> Begs for more
Oh sunny boy
Come back when the autism wears off.

>>130332374
italians tend to fall into a Europe's genetic cluster, north italians even more, theyare white europeans. And culturally, historically that's not even debatable.

>>130332742
argument status: won
thanks for playing

>>130332749
European genetic cluster: sure
white cluster? no

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>>130331774
Yet most Italians look like pic related

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from my travels the italian people are as follows
northern italy - heavy on the germanic blood
lazio/tuscany - about as italian as italians can get
southern itay - heavy on the greek/hamite blood

>>130332649
>that's probably an old ass
actually, it's very recent. the old shit said the same though

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>>130332539

>>130320309
Youre fucking gay

>>130322701
The first man I started to fall in love with was born in Spain, but the Andalusian culture borrowed from the Moors and bull-killing is pretty 3rd world. It's like how the Chinese tie up dogs in bags and drop them into boiling vats.

>>130332906
correct, because we are overall a Mediterranean population(albeit with very high internal differentiation), which is what I've been trying to say the whole thread, but apparently some people think we are the same shit as north Europeans

>>130320309
Most meds are still white.

>>130321425
They were white unless you're another offended nigger who's just mad that genetic tests threw

>WE WUZ PHAROHZ AND SHEEEEIT

out of the window.

Accounts of the Roman emperors show that at least they were white. The emperors came out of the population during times where succession was not possible, i.e. Trajan and onward. This implies that there must have been plenty Romans possessing light-coloured hair and colourful eyes so that most of the emperors were blondes/redheads with non-brown, non-hazel eyes. The only people who were ever made emperor in the first place were Roman citizens since the political classes would respect no one else.

http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

The Romans were white along with the ancient Greeks.

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>>130332539
>we are more clean than you
You are as swarthy as any Med, my friend

>>130332580
Dummie, that's ancient berber caucasoid(mesolithic or neolithic).... Many of those ancient migrations are found in all Europe, like the Westasian and some other's.

>>130333032
>http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm
see >>130330788

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>>130332822
Must be hard defending the fact that you are the lesser son of greater sires.

We could attach a generator to the roman part of your ancestry and we would have enough power to sustain your little poor Napoli village, because they are spinning so fast in their graves.

>>130333158
must be hard feeling the need to post despite getting BTFO hard
maybe next time you'll do better

>>130333115
Spain definitely has a percentage of Arab DNA if you observe haplogroup maps.

>>130332822
>European genetic cluster: sure white cluster? no

They are synonymes, sorry.

>>130333290
for you
fact remains that you can clearly differentiate between the two subpopulations
even commercial sites like 23&me are able to do this
that's enough for me to consider them as two distinct groups

>>130331770
Yeah, more they are more white, because they had fled before you bred with african and asian slaves

>>130333281
To my knowledge no Iberian scores Arab, you mean North African.

>>130332580
better moorish dna (still caucasoid) than mongoloid like the nordcucks

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>Indo-EUropean/Caucasians aren't white

LOL

Is anyone white?

>>130331708
Those are Greco-Egyptians

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>>130333506

>>130333281
Haplogroups give you almost no information, Ynda, is a very small part of someone's dna.
Spaniards are not connected with arabs at all, check:

>>130326927

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>>130333576

>>130333110
why even lie well we are, only the nordcucks whose wives are being fucked by niggers just as their grandgrandgrandmas were fucked by mongols care, we should be fighting the (((germans))) and not between us

>>130329430
Every native of France is white. From Calais to Bastia. Wtf do you say Mario !?

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>>130333652

>>130333506
by the time their languages were being spread in Europe, they were already a different population from the original stock which survived more in its natural environment, the steppe
even Corded ware, which is one of the earliest movements of them from the pontic steppe to the northern steppe, had already absorbed local European ancestry

by the time they entered Greece, they were probably already something different
a study on Mycenean DNA is coming anyway, so we'll see

>>130333733
"white" is hardly a specific term
your southerners still are genetically more related to us than to Brits,that's the point
there is a continuous gradient from the west med through France to Brits and north Europe
look at some of the PCAs posted in this thread

>>130333429
In your ridiculous 'logic' russians, are not white, swedes are not white, serbs are not white. why? because they have their own singularities. and youcan distinguish themselves from each other. Insane

>>130333490
>had fleed
when? amigo I can comprehend that your deficient education didn't teach you that the colonization of the americas was after the end of the reconquista and most of the people that went there were southerners, basically the new conversos (moors, jews)

>>130331078
15 percent is way too much, I'd say 1-3%

>>130333617
Let me guess; you have Med roots? You seem intent on proving that Meds are not more consistently swarthy and dark for any reason than genetic variance. Not my favorite people for their natural lack of loyalty compensated and complemented by more measurable warmth, but sometimes they surprise me.

>>130320967
Maybe not the Greeks of today, but the past Greeks certainly were white. Even the ancient Egyptians were white

>>130333974
there is much more genetic similarity among them than between whites and meds even if you can still genetically separate some of them if you get enough samples and SNPs, you are really grasping at straws here
but yeah, they shouldn't be abandoning their specific roots either
as I said before, you can consider a group for east Europeans as well if you want
or for Finno-Ugric peoples

>>130333974
anglos+meds+nords+slavs= white
culture makes all of these one

>>130320309
The progenitors of those civilizations where aryans, and they implemented a strict caste systems, to prevent mixing with the muds. Once the rules of the caste system was eased up, the civilizations started decaying and eventually dying. What you have is the greece and italy of today. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

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>>130333253

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>>130320309
This thread is pure D&C

>>130333893
Since you know nothing about my country, don't talk about it. Southern french are not so different of northern french, I grew up in the north and now I live in the South, so I know what I am saying. But you didn't.

Every french native are white.

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>>130333773
>trust me I'm not Indo-European because x

You realize all Europeans are a mixture of Indo-European, Caucasian hunter gathers, and neolithic middle eastern farmers right? Each one of those has their ultimate origin in the Caucasus, so you're Caucasian and therefore "white" regardless of how desperately you want to be a minority.

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>>130320967
Pure nords don't exist. Nords/germanics are mixed with the same dna of near eastern farmers that italians, greeks, and spainards are.

>>130333893
And do not compare greeks to french.

>>130334333
genetics disproves you, since steppe ancestry is non trivial in all of those countries
moreover, the Minoans, or the Etruscans in Italy, were more advanced than the newcomers in terms of civilization, so the absorbtion is a more believable hypothesis

and furthermore, in the case of Italy, they arrived much before any of these great civilizations arose

>>130334489
the PCAs in this thread prove me right, there is no discussion to be had here
either argue against them or go back sucking mohammad off

>>130320309
You obviously have never studied history, Anon. The Greeks you see today are dark complected because of the Moors taking over Europe for centuries and breeding with the Europeans. Originally, the Greeks had curly blonde hair and light eyes. Any trip to a museum with ancient Greek artifacts will show you this. All dark hair, eyes and complexions in Southern Europe come from the Muslim invasion of Europe and subsequent rule. For fuck's sake, stop baiting the children and go study.

>>130334545
>Each one of those has their ultimate origin in the Caucasus
[citation needed]
western foragers and neolithic farmers were respectfully native to Europe and Anatolia, not the caucasus
and proto-IEs according to the kurgan hypothesis had half of their ancestry from east Europe

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>>130334276
>>130334596
>>130334665
I don't think I've ever seen anyone so desperate to be arab/non-caucasian/non white before

>>130334801
says a lot about you really when people don't want anything to do with you
I'm just affirming our own separate identity

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>>130320309
you nigger what

>>130334276
You are wrong, the same way i've told you, meds are not a single entity, it is more cultural than anything. Basic example, spaniards or portuguese are genetically more closer (pca) to a english, austrian, dutch, german, than they are too a greek. And greeks are more near serbs, or other east slavs than they are to a guy from valencia (spain) in the same med sea they share. Learn something before saying crap.

>>130328689
I guess so, but they use sunblock and stay in fancy hotels and shit. They didn't evolve there, but you did, and you're probably darker

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>>130326411

>>130334870
Hmm well Italy what color are your eyes, skin, hair, etc?

>>130334895
you could indeed make a separate group for west meds(more WHG heavy, less west asian) and east Meds(opposite), I am not against it

>>130333976
Do you not know your own history? Spain and Portugal had a high amount of African and Asian slaves in the early modern ages, and when slavery was abolished, they merged with the local population.

>>130334941
light brown, pale, dark brown, a common west Med look

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>>130321425
Yeah, clearly a race of shitskins you fucking retard.

>>130334596
>genetics disproves you
source?
>moreover, the Minoans, or the Etruscans in Italy, were more advanced than the newcomers in terms of civilization, so the absorbtion is a more believable hypothesis
There's no basis for this hypothesis outside of speculation. Also, do you want to bring up the "noble" rituals of the Etruscans, those semitic, middle eastern people?

>and furthermore, in the case of Italy, they arrived much before any of these great civilizations arose
who?

>>130335069
Is your face more gaunt?

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>>130328242
I can't fucking believe all those ethnicities are listed there and Albanian is missing for fucks sakes. Someone needs to settle the score for once and for all about what we are.

>>130335034
I can't speak for Spain but slavery in mainland Portugal was completely banned in 1761. No reason to keep them here when you could be making bank in the colonies.

>>130321425

except caracalla was of punic/phonecian (semitic) origin

>>130335144
>source?
someone was kind enough to post >>130334550
notice the non trivial Yamnaya input as I claimed

>There's no basis for this hypothesis outside of speculation
it's trivial history but I don't expect anyone on /pol/ to know anything of it
care to explain why the superior Aryans adopted the exact same material civilization of the Minoans if they were so superior? why did they keep to the palatial based system? why did they kept producing similar art? why did they adopt linear B as their writing system?

>who?
Italics like the Latins
they entered the peninsula around the II millennium BC, way before Rome was even founded

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>>130335241
not sure what you mean by that, I am a fairly standard atlanto-med

>>130335460
So then like a white person but with Persian/Arab phenotype.

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>>130334780
>western foragers and neolithic farmers were respectfully native to Europe and Anatolia

>The SLC24A5 gene's derived threonine or Ala111Thr allele (rs1426654[5]) has been shown to be a major factor in the light skin tone of Europeans compared to Africans, and is believed to represent as much as 25–40% of the average skin tone difference between Europeans and West Africans.[3][6] It has been the subject of recent selection in Europe, and is fixed in European populations.[7][8][9]

>The earliest known sample of the threonine allele is 13,000 years old from Satsurblia Cave in Georgia.[13] The allele was widespread from Anatolia to Iran at the beginning of the Neolithic, and was introduced to Europe with the arrival of the first farmers from this region about 8,000 years ago.[14][15]

If you have light skin you're from the Caucuses,

Most light skin came into Europe "From neolithic farmers" who were ultimately Caucasian.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

>Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.
>>130334870
It's more like you hate European civilization and want to justify it

It's fucking pathetic but w/e

>>130335034
It seems obvious that ou're the one that do not knows european history.
Spaniards or portuguese never larged mixed with slaves in iberian peninsula, that's black legend fantasies and dna even proved that doesn't make any sense.

>>130320309
Italians are white

>>130335654
atlanto-med, as the name should suggest to someone with half a brain, is something related to the atlantic med and to the megalithic builders, which, being related to early European farmers, were vastly genetically differentiated from Iranians who came from a different stock which back then was confined to the Iranian plateau before expanding westward

>>130335684
>If you have light skin you're from the Caucuses,
there was a mesolithic forager from Ukraine with both the white skin alleles and it had nothing in common with the Satsurbia population you are quoting, as it was even older
and the EEF were also genetically vastly different from the CHG

those genes are clearly older than the populations you are taking as baseline

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we literally have pictures of roman nobles and people , how is this even a debate?romans were swarthy with some rare exception

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>>130334215
Yea, the greeks got blacked. You really think that the ancient greeks of yesterday that laid the foundation of modern civilization, science, and mathematics, had anything to do with the pic related greeks? Nonsense. The greeks got blacked, ragheaded, and spicd.

>>130335684
>It's more like you hate European civilization and want to justify it
nope, just tired of being grouped with a bunch of people who only consider us second tier "whites" and only do so so that they can LARP as conquistadores/Romans/Greeks/etc...

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>>130335654
like this?

>>130336387
In the 20's of the past century germans were also "blaccked" when they had their unemployment more than 30%, and than they became whites again rotfl.

>>130336222
romans got more swarthy exactly when everything started going to shit, what a coincidence

>>130320309
>kike flag

DIVIDE AND CONQUER
A
V
I
D

>>130336871
This. Open borders destroyed Rome. First the north african/mid eastern niggers then finished off by nord niggers. The master race died long ago

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Caesar Augustus, clearly a black man

>>130336746
>what was ww1
>who are the jews

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>>130335362
The near east was genetically closer to Europeans prior to Islam/Arab invasions

>We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners.

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316

>>130335810
>mesolithic forager from Ukraine with both the white skin alleles

older than the 13,000 year old dna found in Georgia(Caucasus)? Sounds like made up bullshit imo

>had nothing in common with the Satsurbia population

>nothing in common
>same genetics

LOL

>as it was even older

source: your ass

Your basic argument is you can have similar genetic origins, similar genes, similar phenotypes AND speak the same language, and not be at all related

Are you sure you aren't a creationist?

>EEF were also genetically vastly different from the CHG

They literally had a recent common origin

Who do you think you're kidding?

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>>130337257
now let's zoom out

This Italo-faggots, argument is that a .05% difference is "vast"

>>130337093
same thing happened to egypt, just nubian my shit up

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>>130337257
sorry, not older but from a very very similar period
see http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(16)31542-1

you can look up the phenotype SNP data in the supplementary information

>nothing in common
>same genetics
a single or two alleles do not make up your whole race
pic related, PCA with those foragers, notice where the caucasian foragers plot compared to the others

I'm not kidding anybody, just educating a kid.

>>130337409
thanks for confirming you do not understand what you are talking about
of course if you include global populations like africans and east asians you are not going to notice a major difference you illiterate ape, that's not the point since they were all west Eurasian populations

fact is, west Eurasians are not the same either, especially ancient west Eurasians

read Lazaridis paper on the genetics of the ancient near east and look at the FST distances between the samples involved

see also http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943

I'm sure you will also explain how they were so related despite having totally different uniparental lineages(Satsurbia = J, anatolia_N = G, mesolithic East = R1a)

>>130337093
this is some next level cuck dream

>>130329002
Not according to their paintings and sculptures.

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>>130337638
>sorry, not older
>very very similar period

"Similar" is not an indication of time period. If you're saying they are "related" and come from the same time period that helps my argument, not yours.

>a single or two alleles do not make up your whole race

It makes up a major phenotype relating to that race (light skin), genius

>notice where the caucasian foragers plot compared to the others

So about .05% or almost nothing
>just educating a kid.

So you're the one making constant fuck ups, and you call anyone else a kid? Fucking ridiculous.

>>130337835
You are the one playing disonest m. Europeans dna proximity is a fact, if you zoom in you would see differencies inside nations as well and even cities (like frankfurt, berlin and munich), but that doens´t make them a different people or nation. And of course europeans have different nations, that must be preserved,but they share so much more.

>>130338355
>If you're saying they are "related"
I am not. There is about a thousand years of difference, absolutely not enough for one to be related to the other. And in fact they are not. As my PCA proves, which you obviously fail to address.

>It makes up a major phenotype relating to that race (light skin), genius
race is not skin deep, negroid

>So about .05% or almost nothing
see >>130337835

you are getting BTFO hard here mate

>>130335365
>(((trivial history)))
The Aryans had a caste system before coming into contact with the minoans, and:
>During the Helladic period, a number of major advances were developed including fortified urban settlements with monumental buildings such as corridor houses, which may prove the existence of complex societies organized by an elite or at least achieving corporate, proto-city state form.[6][21] One of these settlements was Manika, located in Euboea, dated to the Early Helladic period II (2800–2200 BC). The settlement covered an area of 70-80 hectares, was inhabited by 6,000–15,000 people, and was one of the largest settlements of the Bronze Age in Greece.[6][22]

As for the writing: minoans used Linear A, which is indecipherable, even though Linear B is decipherable and, according to jews most likely, a descendant of the minoan language.

>they entered the peninsula around the II millennium BC, way before Rome was even founded
what bearing does that have on my argument

>>130338359
It's a fact because those ancient west Eurasian mixed. The illiterate ape above is claiming they all descend from a bunch of caucasian hunter gatherers from 13k years ago just because they share a single pigmentation allele found in very otherwise divergent populations, while ignoring the genomewide differences.

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>>130320309
Das rait ma boi. Western civilization was built by slavs.

>>130326692
They used to be white. Now probably not

>>130338630
Manika is still considered Minoan. And elites are not a thing exclusive to aryans, they pretty much arise in every society with some organization.

You still haven't explained how these super advanced kool aryans were so superior despite pretty much adopting everything from the inferior, brown Pelagians.

>what bearing does that have on my argument
you are the one who asked it
I had made it present because you made it sound as if these kool ass aryans arrived just in time for civilization and to impose themselves as an elite, when in reality they had been in Italy for a long time when Italics where still living in huts

>>130339029
wrong ameritard. they never were.

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center of italy is full of j2 haplogroup(more than the balkans and more that greece), there was no significant turkey invasion in italy, there only was a migration from anatolia 8-7000 years ago, the real redpill to swallow is that ancint roman as well as modern italians are turks

That's a not so diluted dindu, look at his jaw.
My bet he's an amerinigger cosplaying as le white man may may.

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>>130339218
wrong pic

>>130339218
there most likely was a post neolithic/bronze age migration from the near east which brought J2 and west asian affinity in the whole of southeast Europe(it was found in bronze age Croatia very recently)

but yeah, it's preRoman

>>130339337
we can make an hypotesis that roman as well as latins were j2 carriers

>>130339218
Haplogroups are useless to define anything better than ancient migrations. Pca maps are more accurate-autosomal. Italians or greeks do not cluster with turks.

>>130339218
>the real redpill to swallow is that ancint roman as well as modern italians are turks

I guess it make sense since their foundation myth claim they came from east and we wuz wolves and shit but italy has never been relevant since the fall of rome.

>>130338697
the best counter argument here is really this: Satsurbia had a high basal Eurasian ancestry, so if it was ancestral to that east European hunter gatherer with white skin(actually, Satsurbia only had one white skin allele, the Ukranian one already had both), the latter would also have basal Eurasian ancestry
instead they don't
end of the discussion

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>>130339579
how bout renaissence?

> be jewish
> be ruining europe
shekelsoundeffect.mp3

>>130339498
Given their linguistic affinities, I don't think so as the spread of IE languages seems chiefly related to R1b. But since Romans were in all likelihood a mix of Latins and Etruscans, and since the latter had some link with the east Med sea, it's possible historical Romans were both, R1b and J2 from Etruscans elites.

>>130337835
>global populations like africans and east asians you are not going to notice a major difference you illiterate ape,

Thanks for admitting I'm right
>west Eurasians are not the same either

What a meaningless fucking statement

Yes every country is going to naturally, be slightly different due to genetic drift

>We sequenced and analysed the first genome (1.39x) of an early Neolithic woman from Ganj Dareh, in the Zagros Mountains of Iran, a site with early evidence for an economy based on goat herding, ca. 10,000 BP. We show that Western Iran was inhabited by a population genetically most similar to hunter-gatherers from the Caucasus

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326

eat shit

>>130338529
>not related

by what metric?

>you are getting BTFO hard here mate

You have a .05% difference and are claiming to be "a different race". In other words you have jack shit and are just blowing smoke.

>>130339708
The Medicis were Jewish
They installed the first Jewish Pope
and relaxed long-standing anti-semitic laws in Italy

>>130339708
Most artists had clear germanic influences, Woltmann (pbuh) wrote about this issue very clearly nearly a century ago.

>>130327825
he also destroyed the empire by making non-romans roman

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Whats the deal with albanians genetically. Please respond guys.

>>130339106
>Manika is still considered Minoan.
Lol. Now I know you're a kike.

>You still haven't explained how these super advanced kool aryans were so superior despite pretty much adopting everything from the inferior, brown Pelagians.
Minoans were not superior to the Hellenic tribes.

>I had made it present because you made it sound as if these kool ass aryans arrived just in time for civilization and to impose themselves as an elite, when in reality they had been in Italy for a long time when Italics where still living in huts
Nice strawman. I did not say that.

>>130339835
>Yes every country is going to naturally, be slightly different due to genetic drift
not slightly different, see the actual papers

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943
>previously uncharacterized population that is neither ancestral to the first European farmers nor has contributed significantly to the ancestry of modern Europeans. These people are estimated to have separated from Early Neolithic farmers in Anatolia some 46-77,000 years ago

you still have to prove to me how the fuck are Satsurbia, EEF and ukraine_HG genetically strongly related
I'll wait

you are basing your whole ""argument"" on your ignorance on what a PCA is, thanks for the comedic relief

>>130339835
Exactly mate

>>130324096
>Saxons
>oppressing Franks
It was literally the other way around

>>130340129
>Lol. Now I know you're a kike.
not an argument

>Minoans were not superior to the Hellenic tribes.
so why did the latter copied pretty much everything from them, including their political system(Mycene and Tyrnis palace = same structure as the oldest pre-Hellenic palaces in Knossos and Troy)?

>>130340320
Source on Manika being Minoan.

Source on them copying pretty much everything.

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>>130340100
I know

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>>130331708
Reminder that America was a NON-WHITE Civilization. There's absolutely nothing white about Americans. They descended from Africa. They hated white Germanics. America was a BLACK Civilization.

>>130340463
You are the one who brought Manika into the discussion, burden of proof is on you.
Considering its dating, it corresponds to the standard pre Hellenic period. I'd be glad to know if Greek speaking populations were already there, if you can prove it to me.

>>130339218
turks are not anatolians, they are from central asia

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>>130339337
>>130339337
you're so retarded it hurts

I can't tell if you are honestly denying evolution or just doing it ironically.

>>130340186
>neither ancestral to the first European farmers nor has contributed significantly to the ancestry of modern Europeans.

wow thanks for that completely irrelevant red herring of an "argument"

Feel free to start coming up with a real point as to why Italians "aren't white" at any time.

>>130331213
No.
He probably doesn't really understand it

>>130340463
>Source on them copying pretty much everything.
any book on Greek history
if you are so afraid of modern books, check out Bury's book on ancient Greece from the early 1900.
It's not up to date with everything but the basic known stuff on the aegean pre hellenic civilization is all there

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All Hail Europa!!

>>130340986
not a single counter argument to be seen
your ignorance is finally showing in full strength

>wow thanks for that completely irrelevant red herring of an "argument"
it's not irrelevant since you yourself posted an article on how your precious caucasian foragers descended from the population I just referred you to

>>130334934
lmao

>>130341211
I never said Caucasians/Europeans came from an unrelated, isolated population in the Zagros mountains in Iran

That's your own strawman """"argument""""

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>>130340123