>americunts have to PAY for healthcare Holy shit that's

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>>130286873
>mfw a bong exploded near me

>why do people still regard the USA as a first world country?

I honestly don't know, their gun laws are insane too. Nothing stopping them buying a high power anti-tank rifle and legally using it to shoot up a school or something.

Crazy.

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>buildings have no sprinklers
>buildings have no fire alarm
>buildings have no access for firemen

britain, you cannot talk about being first world countries

at least we were one for a lengthy period

I support socialized healthcare and my country pretty much has it, but my country also doesn't have lots of niggers who abuse it or fatties and trannies who demand people to pay for their niche shit, so there's that.

>>130286873
we all have to pay for healthcare gaylord. we're just taxed for it.

>>130286873
>>130287064

absolutely cucked
sage

>>130286873

So doctors aren't paid in the UK?

Our taxes go to protecting your ass so that you're able to have socialized healthcare

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britians think they don't pay for healthcare.

>>130286873
>pay for your healthcare

healthcare in all country's is payed by taxpayer money theres no such thing as "free" healthcare.

>>130286873
>do taxes exist? are they like real, man?

>Europeans have to PAY for refugees to fuck their women
>AND they get called racist if they oppose this

Holy shit that's so funny, why do people still regard Europe as white, Christian countries?

>>130286873
Your "free" healthcare will come in handy when Mohammed shreds you with the nailbomb of peace

>>130286873
>mfw my job pays 100% of my healthcare.

It's almost like you're a useless shit if you don't have a career. Whodathunkit?

>>130286873
Everyone pays for Healthcare you stupid nigger. it's called taxes but yeah i happily pay em so i'm not bankrupted like americucks

>>130286873
You stupid cunt, you pay too. It's called tax.
Check your fucking payroll next time

>>130286873

Everyone in your country still has 3rd World dental hygiene.

>>130286873

seeing the british teeth, its obvious that brits dont pay anything for healthcare.

>>130287314
Shouldn't you watch for tyrone you half breed nigger? There are still white enclaves everywhere in western europe and eastern europe is stronk

>>130287279
Taxes are theft.

>>130287497
>there are no white enclaves in America
It is almost like America is bigger or something.

>>130286873

I doubt the Brits would be able to use your taxes to pay for everyone's healthcare if they had to fund a capable military instead of relying on the US. Thanks for letting us have 3 airforce bases on your soil.

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>>130286873
ahhh at least we wont have an Islamic king... .... good luck with that terror thang...... How many 3rd world Africas can fit onto a small island again?

>>130286873
>American pharma spends billions to find a new drug
>Charge Americans tons of $$$ to amortize over all of the failed attempts at finding a new drug
>British leech uses American invented drug
>British leech proceeds to make fun of America for paying for the innovation the rest of the world gets to use

>>130286873
They have a choice, it is taken from us, and litreally given to others who do not contribute.
Neither is a good system.

>>130286873
>americunts have to PAY for healthcare
Eventually you will too once you become 60% white.

>>130287500
>Taxes are theft.
what is no taxation without representation? the trade of for paying taxes should be the right to vote.

>>130287210

Socialized healthcare stinks, trust me. It is a major burden, and government corruption latches onto it, people who are healthy have to pay for another guy's ass to be treated because they smoked too much, or drank too much, or managed to go diabetic, etc.

>>130287152
Trannies are a meme. It's nigs and Latinas who abuse the fuck out of the system.

>>130286873
I pay a chunk of salary each month for healthcare/national insurance and have done for 15 years, never used the system either, would much prefer private healthcare.

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>americans

>>130286873
I make 6 figures and only pay 18% in taxes...you?

>>130286873
At least terrorism hasn't become part and parcel of living in the big city

>>130286873
Have fun waiting 10 years for heart surgery.

>>130286873
What is your income tax rate?
Sales tax?
Vat tax?
Gas tax?
Property tax?
Who pays for your healthcare?

>>130287681
that's because you live in a mongrel country it only can work in a white homogenous society without parasites.

>>130287743

close to 25% at a hair over 100k.

How the hell did you get down to 18%?

>>130287710
>>130287728
socialism is a cancer on society here in belguim you are forced into healthcare you litraly have no choice or you get a fee from the goverment.

>>130286873
fuck off ahmed, americas a much better place than this shithole

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>>130287662
Shut up shitstain faggot, the UK has the greatest healthcare on Earth.

>>130287900
fellow waffel it's shit because we are infested with niggers and trash.

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>>130287790
US is behind pretty much every other western nation in life expectancy

>>130286873
>non-americans have to pay for shitskinned foreigners' healthcare

>>130288060
I wonder how much dead niggers killed by other niggers plays into this.

>>130287738

so an extra 6% gives us the best health care in the world.

Sounds good to me.

No wonder every rich person in the world flies over to the U.S. to see our specialists.

>>130288043
not even to mention the fucking niggers and spics.
theres a law here that the more children you have the more socialized money you get this would maybe work in a white country to inprove birthrates but in a country infested with niggers it is horrid.

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>>130287994
Of the nhs is so great, then why did one teensy little cryptolocker exploit bring the entire thing to a halt?

>>130286873
>>130287064

Enjoy sucking your nanny government's teat like worthless children you stupid bongs. Don't you have a tv tax to pay?

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ga-teen-donated-heart-dead-crime-spree-cops-article-1.2169324

>criminal nigger accelerated to the top of heart transplant list even though he wouldn't normally be eligible because had proven he wouldn't take care of his new organ
>transplant cost $1.6 million, kid didnt have health insurance nor did his mother
>a few months after getting his 'second chance' and new heart he goes on a crime spree and ends up permanently paralysing a woman and wrapping himself around a pole after a police chase
>a 9 year old girl suffering from heart failure due to a rare tumour died in the same hospital a few weeks after he got his transplant because she was waiting for a heart

Americans are the biggest cuckolds in the world. Legitimately they are. They sacrifice white kids to keep niggers alive a few months longer.

>>130286873
Well at least I don't pay for the healthcare of Achmed and his 23 children.

our healthcare system is the most bizarre fucked up thing in the world.
If you're going to make people pay for healthcare, it should be as free market as possible, so that growth can meet demand.

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>>130288211
>so an extra 6% gives us the best health care in the world.

wrong, child mortality rates

>>130287672
Tell that to D.C.

>>130286873
You also pay for your healthcare you fucking moron.

>>130288213
i know hope they can reverse it to make everyone want few kids. No hope to get it only for Whites becuz of muh racism also gonna wear zwarte piet in brussels next december ?

>>130288211
>best healthcare in the world
im rolling

>>130288066
>so do Americans

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>>130286873
>Pays for other peoples healthcare with higher taxes.
>Subsidizes stupid peoples unhealthy lifestyles with his/her income.
>Is happy about this.

>>130288363
Americans literally have to beg their insurance companies to approve basic medications for serious medical conditions.

I know Americans with MS who are stuck using worthless drugs because their insurance companies won't approve ones that actually work.

>>130286873
>Get cancer
>Wait for my turn
>Die waiting
>At least we get free health care

>>130286873
Just as we supply most of the world with military, so too does America stand the majority of the cost of healthcare by being charged more than anyone else for the same medications, funding research, et cetera--allowing much of the world to develop single payer systems that actually function instead of going belly up from the sheer load.

Basically, we're maximally cucked, but you bongs should be fucking grateful. The moment America switches to single payer, the redistribution of cost will collapse the entire thing.

>>130288368
first of all america is bigger than almost all europian county's because its a federation of STATES you idiot its completely inpractical to apply healthcare to the whole country let the states decide that.

>>130287064

Why would you use an anti-material rifle on a school?

Go die in a fridge fire Achmed. You're NHS is a shit tier example of a health care system.

>>130286873

>what are taxes

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>>130287710

/oldguy/ here...homo speaks the truth. Before Clinton opened the floodgates to illegals, insurance was something employers readily provided, and with it, visits and prescriptions were easily affordable.

Obama was trying to force the system back into what it was, but keep the Meskins. Trump is putting the cart back after the horse...

>>130288548

>funding research,

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/4233/u.s.-slipping-as-global-leader-in-medical-research.aspx

>>130288368
>>130288448
We literally drive the entire world's medicine. Not having access to it is what makes it shitty.

>>130288636
Reagan is actually responsible for the current predicament.

>>130288368

None of those countries include failed pregnancies and stillbirths in this calculation, except the U.S.

If we calculate it the same way for everyone, US comes out on top. Just like always.

>>130288419
>also gonna wear zwarte piet in brussels next december ?

of coarse its tradition after all.

either way our healthcare system was not made for the recent influx of lazy niggers and rapefugees you seen how there giong to increase the time of when you get pension to 65 now?.

>>130286873

I honestly don't know, anon, the people here just prefer the "no government" meme to a government that works for them.

We literally vote to deregulate because "regulations are bad hurrrrr" while companies accidentally put lead in the drinking water.

you laugh but when people need dangerous procedures done they come here. competetion breeds quality.

people go to eurostan to save money, people come to america to have their life saved.

>>130287117
sprinklers are a meme
>oh shit a fire is threatening to destroy our building
>let's destroy it with water instead

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>pay 1 dollar a day for healthcare
>get full coverage
>free if you are a student or elderly

>mfw americans go bankrupt from a broken leg

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>>130286873
because we actually want health care
isn't your life worth $500 deductible?
Why is your life my $500 but not your $500

>>130286873
isn't (((free))) healthcare practically required when you have muslims conquering your nation?

>>130286873
>UK cunts still have to pay through taxes for the welfare and healthcare of millions of jobless migrants

Holy shit that's so funny, why haven't you gone bankrupt and living in a 3rd world hellhole yet? Oh I know, your government is printing British Pounds like crazy and is currently worth only 70% of what it was in 2014.

>>130288925
>pay 1 dollar a day for healthcare

you forget the part where youre also paying for achmeds 6 kids and the rapefugee camps.

>>130288767

Reagan spent 8 years trying to fix the bullshit that trilateralists like Ford and Carter forced on us. But he had a democrat congress his entire two terms.

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>>130288762
pharmaceutical sciences are nowhere near the same thing as healthcare. So were giving all the good drugs to everyone else and just charging our own citizens 1000% more? You know you can just pay your way for your drug to be approved right? It barely has to meet any criteria.

any medicine coupled with unrestricted capitalism is a bad idea
pic related

>>130289071
>(((free)))
Its only free for people who dont pay the associated (((taxes))).

>>130288747
>"Leaves open the possibility that some other nation could become the global leader"

Hey guys, America isn't the best anymore!!!!!!

>>130288925
>>free if you are a student or elderly
it isnt "free" you moron its payed by taxes.

>>130286873
>why do people still regard the USA as a first world country?

They're keeping our seat warm.

you don't pay for healthcare as long as you work more than a shit tier 20 hour a week mcjob.

it's a great system, actually. the poor retards literally die in the street and the productive people get to survive.

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>>130288925
>Amercians will defend this

Two operations and a weeks stay in hospital

>>130289133
>So were giving all the good drugs to everyone else and just charging our own citizens 1000% more
The other nations pay for it through taxes. Also if insurance companies refused to cover it, the price will go down.

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>>130287064
>legally using it to shoot up a school

>>130289181
>Hey guys, America isn't the best anymore!!!!!!

Thats what happens when people like Obama socialize the healthcare, we become like everyone else.

>>130289106
Did reagan sign an amnesty bill while he was president?
If the answer is yes, it is on him squarely.

>>130289279
no shit, im saying only in America are they upcharging on everything

>>130289220
> >free if you are a student or elderly
>it isnt "free" you moron its payed by taxes.
If your a student, the extra taxes you pay later in life will be much more than the cost if you had payed now. That what happens when you get a service now, but pay over time later.

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>>130286873
> free healthcare

>>130286873
If you're not a fuck up the average American lives much better than the average Brit. Controlled for both of our third world shitskin population and it's not really close.

>>130289265
>it's a great system, actually. the poor retards literally die in the street and the productive people get to survive
I asmume this is refering to america? I agree with this idea.

With socialized medicine, the unhealthy people get to live and spread their bad genes.

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>>130287189
Given the standard of health and dental care there? I wouldn't think they're paid.

>>130289435
>upcharging on everything

at at times overcharging by 1000%

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/06/hospitals-that-charge-1000-more-than-they-should/395099/

>In the study, the facilities that marked up their prices the most were more likely to be for-profit

>>130289578

https://archive.is/i8dtf

>>130286873
well your NHS (national healthcare service) is bleeding your country dry

and you cant afford to give people antibiotics for shit

>it isn't free you just pay taxes
but when you get gastric cancer from eating a hamburger a day you don't have to sell your house and declare bankruptcy

>>130289278
Thats a bill for what the insurance is going to be charged you leaf. Also, they person who got that surgery, actually got it in time to make a difference unlike the UK or cuck...i mean LEAF land.

>>130288840

>Rich Saudis come for treatment
>Goldman Sachs exec sees best neurosurgeon on the planet
>Average American dies in the street of preventable disease

Having the best medicine means shit if regular people are priced out

>>130287064
>anti-tank rifle
> shoot up a school or something

gunless ukfag doesnt know what anti tank guns are. You cant shoot up shit with it mong.

>>130289669
If you're stupid enough to heat a burger a day you deserve the consequences. Believing everyone else should foot the bill for your irresponsible lifestyle is what makes Europeans and Canadians unbelievable doormats.

>>130289685

I know that. The point still stands that this is what the hospital is charging

>U.S. hospitals charge patients (or their insurers) 3.4 times, or 340 per cent, what the federal government deems these procedures to cost. This ratio has increased over time: In 1984, it was 1.55 times. By 2011, it was 3.3 times. And in 2015, a Florida hospital was found to be charging patients, and therefore insurance companies, 12.6 times, or 1,260 per cent more than the real cost of the treatment.

>>130289669
but you also have to pay for a lazy niggers 6 children and see your pension go to 65 becuase the recent influx of rapefugees all while the goverment increases the taxes even more and more.

you got no fucking cleu how shit the systemis here you have to wait in line for a long time too to get your'e "free" treatment.

>>130288914
>let's destroy it with water instead
Water damage can be repaired, and most of it dries. Fire damage needs replaced. Also....Water wont kill a person, so yeah, lets leave sprinklers OUT of the muslims housings.

>>130289794
youre right you just walked all over yourself

>>130289785
>>Average American dies in the street of preventable disease
Lulz. The fucking dramatics.

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>>130287064
Don't be jealous

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>>130289278
Healthcare for profit.

The Republicans want to rape America again.

>>130289955
>The Republicans want to rape America again.

see >>130289846

for-profit healthcare is a joke

>>130289955
How did obamacare eliminate profits in healthcare specifically?

>>130289435
After 40 years of working, you end up paying more in the long run than if you paid for your school and intermittent healthcare (assuming you not sick all the fuckin time). Free healthcare and school is just like a long term loan paid through taxation. The only difference america, we have the option of not taking out the loan.

>>130286873
>what are taxes

>>130289884
its the same here and you have to pay for it, and we spend more
>we spend 17% gdp on healthcare and you spend around 10%, on top of that we still have to pay for insurance/copays etc.... and its still shit

>>130289578
>at at times overcharging by 1000
Because the insurance company agrees to pay it. If a person does not have insurance, the price is cut by up to 95% because its more likely to be paid that way.

>>130289922

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0501-preventable-deaths.html

Inb4

>The CDC are just left wing shills

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>>130290117

>>130289669
Or another option is to NOT eat a hamburger per day. If a person makes the choice to eat a hamburger per day, they are choosing to be in that situation. With national health service, you pay taxes for the unhealthy even if you are super healthy.

>>130290117
I laugh at people who get fucked out of literally more than 50% of their lifetime income and think they are getting something for free from the government.

>>130287117
>popular housing
>not burning on purpose the poors.

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>>130290266
>its the same here and you have to pay for it,
did you realy just compare belguim to america?
of coarse its giong to be worse in america youre bigger than us.

30,528 km2
belguim


Total area
3,796,742 sq mi (9,833,520 km2
and america.

>>130288472
This is basically it, there's no opt out, money is deducted by the state for other peoples healthcare before you even see it. Of course muslim trash and foreign parasites don't work so they don't pay anything. It's a dreadful system for the working man.

>>130289846
So? Its one company paying another an agreed price. That in no way says there should be socialized healthcare.

>>130290430
You realise that a huge amount of your taxes are still being spent on healthcare?

>>130290337

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Moar

>>130290526
>You realise that a huge amount of your taxes are still being spent on healthcare?
What specifically does that have to do with my previous post?

>>130290318
Should have had a job and been successful. Why do you like the unwilling so much? The incapable already get monetary and health support, so it ain't them.

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>>130287064

Got em good, anon.

>>130290509
>So? Its one company paying another an agreed price

Except when insurance refuses to cover something

>>130289785
>Having the best medicine means shit if regular people are priced out
Preventable means they chose to do something that caused it (like lung cancer from smoking). Insurances will not pay for preventable. UK DOES pay for people who choose to be unhealthy. The crime is that a UK citizen subsidizes through taxes the unhealthy lifestyles of other UK citizens (and rapefugees).

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>>130289794
Based maplebro

>>130290526
and here in belguim the avrige money a worker makes is 2500 to 2000 euro about 500 euro (it scales with youre income) goes to healtcare and "free" education after the goverment takes your money youre only left with a measly 1500 euro.

not to mention youre taxes constantly increase to pay for the rapefugees and the increasing population of the old.

>>130289884
>while the goverment increases the taxes even more and more
Not to mention your investment property will eventually be seized for the rapefugees

>>130287790
Have fun dying because you couldn't afford it.

>>130289885
What the hell are you talking about, water is more damaging to most of the shit in your average home.

>>130289955
This is what is charged to the insurance agency, who agreed to the price.

Ive had hospital visits (multiple times, different hospitals) where they add little things on your bill like acetaminophen and other minor drugs (that i was never given) and charge you 100$ per pill.
I honestly thought they'd be smart enough to do that to someone whos not in pharm school but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>130290838
i still havent even mentioned the abomanation thats socialized housing in belguim.

people that take personal responsibility don't need healthcare until old age

>>130287189
They are paid. If your country had a functioning government you would've known.

>>130290851
Have fun having the government panel decide if you should live or die.

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>>130286873
>Live in social democratic shithole
>Go to """free""" healthcare clinic
>My knees are fucked from a sports injury, and I want a blood test, just to see if everything's all right
>"uuuuuh dunno, gonna refer you to a specialist"
>"uuuuuh stop wasting my time with blood tests, you can have one done if you're feeling ill in the future"
>HAHA FREE HEALTHCARE FTW AMIRITE GUYS?
So I'm basically fucked if I get cancer or some such shit, because healthcare is only a reactionary measure and if you're trying to be proactive then you're wasting gubbermint money :^)

>>130289785
people still pay for healthcare in "free healthcare" countries. we pay it out of pocket instead of through taxes.

we still have access to healthcare and it's the best on the planet.

>>130290496
im just saying more of our taxes go to it despite it not being subsidized

>>130290430

I pay about 18% and have "free" healthcare.

Your country just has too few taxpayers to make it work.

>>130290749
Fake.

>>130290053
By forcing treatment for preexisting conditions, allowing people to get off healthcare untill they break a leg, then get on healthcare for 50$, get it treated, and get off healthcare again.

FWI if you set your work W2 to 11 dependents, at the end of the year you pay a bit in income tax, but you get NO TAXRETURN. Healthcare fine with obamacare came exclusively out of a person TAXRETURN. This way, a person could not have insurance untill they got hurt, then get it immediately, and drop it again later.

FWI AGAIN: Only people without a full time job had health insurance. Its a program for the lazies.

>>130290374
If the hospital is ripping off the insurance then why do you care? How does it effect you? It doesn't.

>>130291020
yeah so work till youre 100 so you can keep up with your dialysis payments

>>130290599
Again, this is a bill for the insurance. The citizen does not pay it.

>>130291395

don't ruin your kidneys like a nigger and no need for dialysis

>>130291395
back then youre kids where an investment for the future youre kids can pay and take care for you when youre too old.

>>130290599

>leaving out what was under "your responsibility"

Work a big boy job with real benefits and you'll never need to worry.

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>>130288217
It's starved of funds because the Tories hate it, their computer systems in particular are hilariously outdated

>>130291380
how does it not affect you? the insurance company ups your premiums plus you usually have to pay ~20% out of pocket

>>130286873
America is the daddy that protects every western nation.

If not for the massive military America has every other nation would not be able to afford free healthcare.

The US tax payer funds our free health care, which is why they can't afford their own.

>>130290682
>Except when insurance refuses to cover something
If the insurance does not want to cover it, then its either pre-existing or preventable (by that person).

>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I SHOULDVE GOTTEN HEALTH INSURANCE? HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE FREE AND SHEEEEIT

>>130290749
A bill to the insurance.

>>130286873
Can I please redpill you faggots? America's healthcare is fucked up because the vast majority of healthcare plans come through your employer. The hospitals do collective bargaining agreements with the insurance companies and corporations do collective bargaining agreements with the insurance companies. The average citizen is forced to work and take whatever their jobs give them.

Hospitals prefer dealing with insurers bcause they get paid more. Believe it and or not, hospitals make very little profit generally and many struggle yearly to stay afloat. If you don't have insurance they will charge you whatever they feel you will pay which is fucked up.

Getting rid of all these insane bargaining agreements and forcing people to buy plans as private citizens would do a lot to help the system. The upside to all this is we get really really good, fast, treatment when we're sick.

How do universal healthcar countries rational rationing healthcare using the government? Healthcare is a scarce resource and having a universal plan means you have to make cuts somewhere. You still pay taxes to fund it and, surprise, it's NEVER enough money. What do you like about this?

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so does everone

you jsut have slave state that grabs everything from porducers

and american medical is far far superior we are no1

canadaa uk france bottom of lsit when you get really sick
look it up
its a ll lie you were taghght by democrats

>>130288217
Each NHS trust is run sort of independently, they hire their own IT departments etc.

There was lots that weren't effected the ones that were obviously had pretty shitty IT departments

>>130291790
go overdose somewhere else

>>130290947
Water is more damaging than fire? Are you HIGH??? Ill stand in a sprinkler, and you stand in a fire and well see who comes out alive.

>>130287064
fucking hell. really show how much of a shithole this place has become when this -2/10 bait gets 6 unironic replies. have an extra (You) for causing this revelation.

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Hi, I am from Slovakia, where we do have "free" universal healthcare
This remarkable service provides, for example, pic related as your breakfast when you have to stay the night or more in hospital

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>>130286873
>when you're on welfare and go to the dentist >because you have to

>>130286873
Yes. We pay for stuff. Goods and services are paid for and don't just materialize you dumb fucking free loading commie

>>130291527
Even with insurance through employer, you still pay 50%

>>130291665
LIES
I have had rotator cuff surgery and knee surgery and I paid 500$ for each 100k surgery. I pay NOTHING for ugentcare visit and 50$ for ER visit. I pay 18$ a week for healthinsurance for myself.

>>130286873

>FREE

You dun goofed boy.

>>130291674
you mean nato?.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

people dont understand that freedom comes with the trade of for responsibility for your'e own actions if your a dumb nigger and smoke 6 packs a day and you get cancer thats youre own fault nobody should be forced to foot the bill for youre poor livestyle choices.

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>>130286873
>1st world country
Do you know what this is?

Sounds like America is great if you are rich desu

>>130291531
Your cousin doesn't have to pay that, they other vehicle will pay it. Thats how auto insurance works. If the other vehicle doesnt have it, the fed gov pays it (thats why auto insurance is mandatory).

>>130286873
I'm glad that you live in a country with a magic money tree where shit that someone has to make, distribute and administer is just 'free'.

Kidding, that's fucking ALCHEMY. It's not free you're just so fucking poor that someone else is handing it to you, when you could buy it yourself for a fraction of what they're spending out of your pocket and keep the rest and not be fucking poor anymore

>>130291674
If you were a lady id kiss you

>>130286873
Do you have taxes in your country? Yes? Then you're also paying for healthcare, even when you're not using it, dumb retard.

>>130292360

It's great if you have an iq of at least 100.

>>130286873
i don't understand why our taxes simply couldn't pay for healthcare like they do for infrastructure.

>>130287064
Ah yes, I remember when my dad first took me on our first grade hunting trip, I shot 3 first graders and a second grader that year, he was so proud.

Good thing we bought our tags or the game warden would have been upset!

>>130290662

>People die of preventable disease
>Lol they must have deserved it

Why are my fellow Americans so retarded? Seriously, America is the only country where literally everyone could have a negative personal experience with something and then vote to not just continue, but EXTEND the practice further.

This is most troubling on net neutrality. /pol/ literally was like "we want Comcast to throttle /pol/ speeds lol, DO YOU KNOW WHAT FREEDOM IS YOU KEK"

taxes pay for police, fire departments. Why not healthcare?

>>130291786
>If you don't have insurance they will charge you whatever they feel you will pay which is fucked up.
How? The whole point of running a business is to charge the most that a person will pay for a product. The UK healthcare IS A BUSINESS, just a business that runs at a loss even with government subsidies. You know, like every govenment run system.

>>130292286
No I mean the US military, Navy and Air force.

Nato would be fuckin dun overnight if the US pulled out.

The rest of the west pays barely anything on defence and as such has more to spend on other things.

We get what we do because the US puts so much into their war machine. If the US actually did start spending less on that you would see Germany, Sweden, the UK and many other nations fall in on themselves.

>>130286873
Your healthcare isn't free either you retarded Eurocunt.

>>130292212

LIES!!!!
I have had rotator cuff surgery and knee surgery and I paid 500$ for each 100k surgery. I pay NOTHING for ugentcare visit and 50$ for ER visit. I pay 18$ a week for healthinsurance for myself.

>>130292671
Yeah, they will defend the people who fuck them over. Its strange

>>130292571
>>130292672

Everyone doesn't need healthcare.

There was a time when you could simply not purchase a plan.

No one is denying you coverage you big cry babies.

extreme capitalism solves all of this stuff

extreme low governmetn spending and regulation

free trade

no government maanged trade

>>130286873
>Stupid fucking bong thinks anything is free
>Says Americans are the backward ones
Hahahahahahahahaha

>>130286873
>>130287064
absolutely cucked
sage

>>130292980
Everyone doesn't need the fire department either

>>130290966

What a story mark. They literally have the right to charge whatever they want, so they can stick that on your credit if you don't pay.

Even if they cut you some slack as professional courtesy you literally have no recourse if they were like "nah bro aspirin costs $100"

Like. This is the problem. It's legal for them to charge $200 for ibuprofen and everybody does it.

>>130291531
Wtf 125,991.11 $

>>130286873

i vote for the conservative party here but if i was american i would consider voting democrats just to get the gibsmedat healthcare. wouldnt have voted for hilary though.

>>130286873
Because in the 1700's a handful of colonial farmers kicked the shit out of what was at the time the worlds greatest military.
Now your dumb asses are about to get your shit pushed in by a muslim invasion.
So when an imam takes over buckingham palace and declares sharia law on all you stiff upper lip infidels while your beloved queen is getting beheaded in the name of allah, it'll be the good 'ol USA that comes riding to the rescue just like we did in world wars 1 and 2.
So in other words, fuck off, limey.

>>130292980
Everyone does'nt need US army, shadow government, polcie etc etc

>>130293150
$200 for ibuprofen I Paid for ibuprofen 3,40 Euro

>>130292672
>Why not healthcare?
Police and fire services get paid wether you use them or not, and the price is often inelastic. The more available heathcare is, the more its used. Also, the cost of healthcare rises faster with more population, while police and fire services do go up that much with population increase. Plus nobody is coming to your country with the purpose of taking advantage of the police and fire services.

>>130293104

Dont be fucking stupid.

PERSONAL healthcare is not a responsibility of society.

A fire burning down my house, the neighbor and possibly his neighbors house is a problem that affects more than just me.

DON'T be selfish.

>>130293018
I support this. Eventually the weak and diseased will die and the problem will die with them.

>>130287880
most likely the legal write offs method. It varies in exact detail in every country but it goes something roughly like registering a private company you write as much off on as you can (shit like gas receipts, meals, travel, anything really you could justify a business spending money on). You then show a loss (expenses outweighing profit) on that company.

Essentially in the end your real income on paper is lowered by huge amounts, which is usually enough to get you into lower tax brackets.

Every billionaire, millionaire and multimillionaire on paper probably makes less than $150,000 per year and owns next to nothing.

>>130293254

From what I can see, yes you do.

Pipe down and close your borders.

>>130293253

If you knew anything about history, the only reason colonials prevailed was because we came together as brothers and formed a nation with a federal government

George Washington was literally starving in the field because of libertarian "we'll pay for the army if we feel like it" bullshit caused by the first articles of confederation.

>>130293253
>ridin to the rescue
Haha like fuck we will.

They can put out their own fire this time, ungrateful cunts

>>130293150
>$200 for ibuprofen
My insurance covers IBProfen, 1000 pills at 200mg each for 2 bucks.

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>>130289955

Damn, I've paid $1800 for insurance since January and all I got was a couple of symbicort inhalers and anxiety medication. And I have to pay $75 every month and a half at the pharmacy for this bullshit.

Health insurance is a fucking scam. Meanwhile, the nogs and latinos just don't show up to pay hospital bills.

>>130293408
The healthcare of citizens does affect society though

>>130293254
haha yes you peasants do

>>130292980
>There was a time when you could simply not purchase a plan.

There was also a time when we had to hunt feral animals. The past isn't as bright as it seemed.

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>>130286873
>Europeans think their healthcare is free

>>130293574

I could fucking care less if my neighbor dies of cancer.

>>130293253
>it'll be the good 'ol USA that comes riding to the rescue just like we did in world wars 1 and 2.
Maybe not.....maybe not.....

>>130293596

The future you describe is very entitled.

I don't care about your personal health.

okay, fag

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>>130291511
are you retarded?
its a scheme to make a few people rich as fuck there is no transparency to medical pricing everyone gets to set their own prices its crony bullshit stop defending this

>>130293645
What about transmittable diseases?

>>130293569
LEAF LARPING AS BURGER

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I'd rather pay for my treatment and get it immediately than not pay a dime and be in line till I die. I guess poorfags are destined to be wiped out.

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>>130286873
I wish my country was 5% as developed as the us

>>130293833
If its a scam, its not at the expense of the citizenry. If companies want to scam each other let em. Taxed income for nation healthcare is scam on every citizen.

>>130293837

That's cdc department, not healthcare.

>>130290947
>water is more damaging to most of the shit in your average home
hahahahaha youre a fuckin retard mate
something gets wet, just let it dry out
something gets burned, it's fucked

ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT SOMETHING IS A HUMAN BODY

>>130293837
>What about transmittable diseases?
Transmittable diseases(and immunities) are covered by the feds noflagfag

>>130293970
Come to the US. Tell them the commies are oppressing you and request asylum.

>>130293970
But you are so multicultural

With all those black doctors and Mexican rocket scientists surely you can just move to your home base on mars.

>>130286873
PART

>>130293733
>The future you describe is very entitled.

it isn't the future buddy, it's already here. Everyone moved on from the healthcare issue, well except the US.

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>>130286873
You misspelled "have healthcare worth paying for", YVW, cunt.

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>>130293972
Again you are retarded - medicare - our fucking tax money gets ripped off all the time by providers setting whatever the fuck prices.

Medicare is also legally not allowed to negotiate pharma prices - crony as fuck, they are the largest insurance provider in the country and has no bargaining power.

you really are stupid for defending this bullshit, it needs to be cleaned up.

as opposed to what, other people in other countries that DON'T have to pay for healthcare? Literally everybody everywhere PAYS for healthcare, whether its to their own volition, or they're forced into it (like Europe, Canada, and the rest) so I don't really see you're point.

>>130286873

Go duck your medieval queens dicks. How do you have the balls to call America not a first world country when you're still living under a failed feudal morarchy from thousands of years ago. It's no wonder your empire of the sun never sets on the British empire bullshit is ancient history. Say bye bye anything you ever had bitch!

>>130294242

I don't care.

>>130286873
Parts of USA are third world. You forget we have a nigger problem

>>130294556
>t. triggered amerishart

>>130286873

Maybe it's your "free healthcare" welfare state bullshit that attracted all the Muslims Polish and other immigrants you constantly bitch about. If that's the case I thank God we don't have free healthcare and we should do more to discourage nigger greedy immigrants from coming here. Enjoy your free healthcare! :D

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>>130294674
lol you got me bro

>>130294693

Better to be triggered than niggered with immigrants like you are :D

>>130286873
Lol, they pay only when they need it, while eurocucks pay for it when muzzies need it.

>>130286873
You do to. You just don't have any choice. And it's a lot more expensive. Only difference is your rich don't have to pay as much for the advanced medicine, because everything's subsidized by you, the working bloke.

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>>130294796
>60%

we americans still say

look you do it your way

we are better than you

eventually you will get smart and do it our way

even if its 100 counties to 1 ::)

>>130294796
>niggered
>56% white
>literally a country of niggers

>>130294796
niggered kek

>>130294892
usa 80% white shiit brain

>>130287710
Might be true but if the memes keep growing that their hormone meds will cost a lot in the long run since they have to take them regulary.

>>130294892

Why are you talking. I told you to suck your Queens dicks. Get on your knees and taste that feudal dungeons and dragons dick.

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>>130295024
>>130294975
OPINION: DISCARDED

>>130286873
Easily. No waiting in line behind niggers or mudslimes with 6 kids. Get to choose my doctors.
It's good to be working and have good health insurance.
I guess I pay an invisible cost. But so do the citizens in 'free Healthcare' society.

>>130286873
The best part about this is that somewhere there's a British person looking down on American rednecks while her how and worship a royal family that is a million times more inbred than the worst redneck American.

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>>130295091
but you are from the UK
you empire is long gone
:)
and your economy is shit

>>130291105

No, we do both. If some poor fuck comes into a hospital and runs up a $100k bill, the fucking government gives them about 10k in tax breaks. Meaning the hospital operates tax free if enough bumpkins with tooth infections come in for antibiotics.

The government ends up having to pay hospitals because of the insane deficit created by poor people with drumroll... No insurance

So one of two things need to happen, we need to stop giving tax incentives to hospitals, which would basically make us a third world country, or we need a sensible system that actually works.

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>>130287117
>tower blocks filled with niggers and moodys

>theyre all crispy

I dont see your argument

>>130295422

It's there but your fucked up teeth and feudal Queen dick sucking are making you inbred like her royal retarded majesty are preventing you from seeing how pathetic and worthless your country has become.

>>130287275
We know it comes from national insurance

Its a mindblowing concept. Especially for a chunky retard

>>130286873
We have to pay for healthcare retard

saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage

>>130295287
>17trillion in debt
Sorry to hear that soon China will collect that debt. Be ready.

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>>130295568
>damage control

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More than 200 years later and still butthurt :D

>>130287064
Crappy pasta.
Funposting is fun.
New fags is be dumb doh

>>130295831

Don't worry pretty soon your whore inbred queenie will be replaced by a communist dictator. XD

>>130288914
Sprinklers would've put out that guys kitchen fire before it spread to the entire building and BBQ'd all your precious migrants.

>>130286873
You do pay for it, it's called taxes.

>>130295831
uk BTFO hard

>>130286873
>White people have to pay their soul out or they're left to die in the streets
>Meanwhile, Paco, Jamal, Buffalo Wind and Ackmed pay nothing but receive the best healthcare in the world
AMERIFARTS, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AMERI-AHHAHAAHAHAHA-FARTS, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA !

>>130286873
Everyone has to pay for healthcare.

Where are all these doctor slaves all these countries have?

anycunts have to pay for everything

nothing can be free

>>130286873
Also because no one has pointed it out yet

>1 post by this ID

>>130295969

I'd have it no other way. White people get stronger with conflict. Handouts make minorities weaker and dumber and that's perfect! :D
We will do everything on our own baby! :D

>>130286873
You do too bong through a insane amount of taxes

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>>130286873
Given the state of what's left of England, you really have no room to cast judgement. And that's coming from someone who's president is a kike shill

>>130295992
>Where are all these doctor slaves all these countries have?
Singh, Zhang, Pajeet, Muhmad, Obungwe, Nguyen and Pedro all are in the US, fixing white people's health for absurd amounts of $ by just prescribing whatever corporate shills tell them and offering surgeries like they did in their ethnic slums.

>>130289278
wahhhhh, i'm poor and can't afford healthcare

>>130287064
At least we can use knives.

>>130296279
I live in a modern western nation so luckily I don't have to worry about it

>>130293645
>I could fucking care less

So you do care? If you could care less, then that means that there is some amount of caring, with the possibility of that caring being reduced.

It's no wonder Europeans have gone soft weak and feminine. They actually believe getting free anything from the government and becoming dependent on the government will make them stronger. Pathetic. America will always be a free for all and is why we will always be the most powerful nation on the planet. Conflict and fending for ourselves and being dependent on NO ONE makes us stronger. Keep your free healthcare and welfare states and keep getting weaker.
God bless America!

>>130287064
We have a Democrat problem. Blacks love, love murdering each other and crats' children tend to shoot up schools.

If we were a little less tolerant the US would be safe as fuck to live in

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>>130286873
>>130287064
>all those replies
>everyone's so eager to shit on the UK
Are you sure you want to do this anons? Do you know how much fucking bait I will dump onto this board if we get a Canadian shitposting reputation? It looks so easy, all you have to do is say "Those americans and their guns eh? Nuts" and the thread shits the bed.

>>130286873
Being a socialist country automatically demotes you to a 2nd world or lower-tier country, like Europe.

>>130296210
>"We're controlled by Germany and France"
>Has Mooslime mayor
>Mudslime-nigger-chink majority cities
>85% british in 2010
>literal pakistani rape gangs in every city, grooming, raping, selling, buying white british girls
B-B-BUT MERKEL GUYS ;----;7

>>130294892
Literally look out your window. Literally call to prayer. Literally part and parcel. Literally a royal subject. Literally kill yourself.

>>130292482
Those countries pay their taxes. Thats how their social programs are paid for.

>>130286873

>americunts have to PAY for healthcare

You ever heard of fucking taxes? Pretty sure you pay for it too, unless you're just a piece of shit welfare queen, which seems quite likely.

>>130290374
>waahhhh i don't have money to pay for services rendered.
don't go to the hostpital if you don't have money, faggot.

>>130296632
This. Also it's 2017. There's literally no reason to leave home other than work

>>130287064
>high power anti-tank rifle

So, you mean anti-tank guns like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_gun
???

I didn't know Goku was planning on shooting up a school.

>>130296407
>The NHS will bill the taxpayer 32,500 british pounds for prescribing paracetamol to a woman with an auto-immune disease that needed a different medication
>The NHS will give the best treatment to mudslimes but tell british folk to fuck off or pay up
>The NHS will bloat up in expenses, while offering less services and treatments, at the same time, just to save a buck
wew lads really makes me go hmmmm

>>130286873
> be europoor
> pay for healthcare through taxation
> pay for healthcare of rapefugees at the same time

> tfw cucked and no freedumbs

feels bad man

>>130286873
>if I pay for healthcare through taxes I'm not really paying for it

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>>130286873
stubbed my toe.
think ill go to the walk in clinic just to make sure it doesn't turn into gout or something.

>>130296359
a modern western nation without taxes? where exactly does that exist? you pay for it, and it still sucks worse than mine. my only regret about american healthcare is i'll never get to sit on a death panel and condemn worthless commies to agony and death.

>>130286873
Bongs pay for nhs through taxation...oy

>>130286873
Let's talk about the quality of your healthcare.
How's your dentist?

>>130296575
except you pay twice for healthcare. Once for the insurance and the other in taxes for medicare or medicaid or whatever. Meanwhile Paco never pays taxes and enjoys your healthcare

>>130296512
>56% white
Sorry, that is for 2010.

It's 2017, its 49% white.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/07/06/its-official-the-us-is-becoming-a-minority-majority-nation

>>130296863
>a modern western nation without taxes?

I never said that moron

As opposed to your absolutely "free" healthcare where resources come out of thin air?

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>>130296863
Your death panel is not being rich

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

>and it still sucks worse than mine

>>130296873
>How's your dentist?
Weak amerishit banter.

Try harder.
Ask them what is the name of their doctor (Ahmed, the local paki rapist)
Ask them what is the name of their nurse (Maria Estegonza, some spanish gypsy)
Ask them what is the name of their dentist (Zhong Chong, a chink who owns 2 blocks in London and rents them high for brits and low for chinks)

Ask them the name of their MAYOR (Sadiq Khan, local lawyer for terrorists and mudslime activist)

>>130291076

>I'm a hypochondriac
>The government won't pay for me being a fucking idiot

Does your shithole literally prevent you from paying for your own blood test? I'm not sure how countries without freedom work

>>130297083

>harvard link

There is no point trying to argue with facts with these people

>>130296879

I certainly don't think the US system is perfect. I would gut the medicaid and medicare programs if it was my choice.

Single payer is just another shit alternative. Do you think that the government is ever going to know enough about the individual needs of millions of people to be able to fund all of their "necessary" healthcare? Do you think they're ever going to be smart enough to limit costs when they're essentially advertising an unlimited supply of healthcare to all their citizens? All you need to understand is the simple law of supply and demand and you already know single payer is bullshit.

>>130296779
>>The NHS will give the best treatment to mudslimes but tell british folk to fuck off or pay up
What's wrong with muslims?

its sad because uk has some gret engineering but no capital because they have welfare so everyone can eat n party without studying

those who produce should have wealth and other lazies should need to workout and suck their dix

this is normal

when u rob productive and pay prarsites

you get uk

this should be saved as it explains ALL

>>130296991
you did say that when you said you didn't have to worry about paying for it. you either pay for it through taxes or you pay for it out of pocket. there's no free healthcare, and the idea that collectivizing healthcare is modern is fucking retarded. the idea of personal responsibility and free markets is more modern than socialism, read history, then go die in a car crash.

>>130286873
>every other free cunt has to wait years for surgery which is why immigrants move here when they need treatment right away

Much like your teeth OP, the bait is ghastly and weak.

>>130286873
Britfag NHS will eventually go bankcrupt.
Fucking saged

>>130297083
no, i mean i want to sit on the panel and choose who gets treatment and who dies, haha. being poor isn't a death sentence anyway, that's just a lie they tell poor people to force them into wage slavery and tax pools.

>>130297494
No I didn't. I am very aware of how taxes work thanks. If I ever found myself out of work I would still receive healthcare

>>130289278
That seems like a really fair price.

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>>130297737
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

There is no similar fenomenum in any of the other first world countries.

Stuff like this only happens in third world shitholes and USA
>>130297368
>Single payer is just another shit alternative
That is not what facts show us

>>130297647
>bankcrupt
>bankcrupt