>brother won't shut up about "freedom of speech"

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>>130229903

Damn this girl is 10/10

>>130230001

Fucking. Stop.

>>130230001

She's not and you're gay anyway, so what do you know?

>>130230001
3.5/10 at best. Definitely below average.
>>130229903
Anyway who's this bitch?

Can women start balding from stress?
Cause her hair looks pretty thin around the hairline.

Ya howd dhe fuck up

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>>130230056
>>130230072
>>130230213
Just look at her. She's an angle. How can you even deny this? Contrarian fucks.

>>130230313
She looks Anglo (thin hair) and dandruff + stress = hair loss

>>130230213
3.5? these delusional fucking weeb scum

sorry she's not 2d, but for real girls she's 7+ at least.

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>>130230353
yeah a 45 degree angle on that fivehead shes got goin on

ayo

Can someone give me a quick rundown?

Literally who?

>>130229903
based white womyn

>>130230353
>You have to cut off half her face and distort her angle in order to find her hot
Looking at her head on is the only thing that matters.

>>130230554
>Literally being this desperate and rating that inbred-looking face ANYTHING above a 5 AKA average
You are fucking desperate. When was the last time you had a girlfriend, you fucking beta male?

>>130230353
6-head, terrible nose, eyes that were almost good but ended up fucked up.

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>>130230746
>girl told guy to an hero
>guy an hero'd
>faggots around the world think it should be a crime

>>130230353
damn my hairline looks like that and i've been freaking out about balding

>>130230923
The faggot is pretty much solely to blame for killing himself for being and absolute faggot, but I can't say I'm upset about the fact that she's going to prison.
But, if you're depressed and mentally ill and some cunt is repeatedly encouraging you to kill yourself, then his family should get some justice.
I agree with you that she hasn't really committed a crime through, just aim incredibly pathetic and immoral act.

>>130230923
>girl knows guy is killing himself
>sits back and watches it happen

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>>130230987
Mine has looked like that since I was born, and even I don't look so fucking bad.

Literally the only thing she has going for her is that she's blonde-haired and blue-eyed.

>>130230923
>doesn't do anything to prevent his death
>what is 'involuntary manslaughter'

>>130231431
Why is that her problem?

>>130229903
any pictures of her feet?

>>130231513
Honest question: if i see someone dying on the side of the road and begging me to call an ambulance, and i ignore them ( they later die in agony) , is that some sort of crime?
>>130231575
Footfags fuck off

>>130231513
Because her actionscost the life of a person. The guy stopped trying to kill himself and said he couldn't do it and she told him to go back in and finish the job.
She broke the law. End of story.

>>130230923
It's the extent she went through to get him to an hero.
It's not that same as saying: 'kys' as it is actively guiding a mental case's hand into doing so.

That being said, the guy was weak-willed anyway, but she's a total cunt and deserves to get treated like one too.

>>130231720
Yes, same crime. Involuntary manslaughter. By ignoring the guys pleas to call an ambulance you were responsible for his death, as you could have easily prevented it. Or at least tried to.

>>130230923
It is a crime you stupid edgy retard.
Why even opine on things that you have no knowledge of?

>>130231737
Those are just words, not actions. She wasn't obliged to save him by anything other than some unwritten social contract ethics so it's not negligence in any way

>>130231720
>>130231913
Also, see negligent homicide. Obviously all cases are unique and each would have different outcomes. In your example, if you were frozen by fear or just did not know what to do it would be unlikely that you would be found guilty, but in OPs case, its obvious that her intents were harmful.

>>130230848
this girl is a normal cuteish looking girl 7+ at least. you're fucking nuts bro. get off the internet and talk to real girls.

>>130230001
That forehead is the size of a US supercarrier.

>>130232251
Her actions were criminally negligent regardless if it was just words.
She is partly responsible, if not completely responsible for his death. People far more educated than you and I in criminal law have come to that conclusion fairly easily.

>>130232476
virgin detected.

>>130232251

Assisting suicide is illegal. He wouldn't have done it without her, so she did assist him.

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>>130230001
She has the look like she'd refuse to shave her pussy. Her longtime, steady boyfriend would ask politely and she'd refuse out of a bitch power move. She enjoys having a hairy, dusty mess of a pussy.

>>130232251
By law she is responsible, there is no doubt. It's one thing to simply ignore, another thing entirely to actively try and convince a mental disturbed individual to kill him or herself.

To say the law is unjust is to go full nigger and throw social responsibility out the window.

>>130229903
Guys, if you side with her because she didn't PHYSICALLY do anything. You're siding with the Jews by default, she manipulated and even conspired to a lesser degree for whatever reason to have him off himself.

Both are accountable for their actions, just like all those corrupt politicians and their proxy wars. Don't side with the cunt.

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>>130229903
http://www.strawpoll.me/13210364
http://www.strawpoll.me/13210364
http://www.strawpoll.me/13210364
http://www.strawpoll.me/13210364

>>130230923
it's a little more complex than that, she egged him on the entire way, even told him to not pussy out when he stopped and reconsidered.

There's a difference between typing kys on /pol/ and maintaining a relationship with someone who is obviously mentally ill and deliberately driving him to suicide.

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>>130231720
In most US states yes, this is a crime.

>>130229903
sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me

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>>130230001
Looks like her face just stopped developing in the womb

>>130233007
She kind of looks like that nope girl in this one:
>>130231231

>>130229903
That wasn't the issue. The issue was assumption of duty and reckless disregard of that duty.

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>>130232524
Suggesting that another party is responsible for the actions that cause a suicide is pic related

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>>130231720
Prove it.

>>130231737
pic related

>>130230001
Imagine the Nazi offspring she would give you HNNNNNG

>>130233143
I take it you haven't actually read the text messages. She was guilty as sin.

>>130232882
>>130233143
Then the Jews did nothing wrong. Goys kill themselves all the time, so what if I pull the strings, it's the puppet's fault, every time!

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>>130233116
>nope girl

Yeah, like her bottom head did not fully grow

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>>130229903
>accomplice to suicide

>>130230001
>gay flag
goddammit I swear every lesbian has the worst fucking taste in women.

>>130230923
Call to action isn't protected speech. How many times do we have to spell it out for you faggots?

>>130229903
>ignore the fact that she is still guilty as an acomplace
Libfag, are you ready to go to prison for all the times you liked a post about attacking conservatives, committing violence against those who disagree with you?

You're too fucking stupid to understand this, but you are opening a door that should never be opened. You have way more to lose than we do. Every one of your kike-shill "entertainers": Maher, Colbert, Stewart, Madonna, Judd. Are you ready to see all of them facing prison for the shit they say?

Why wasn't everyone at columbine and sandy hook arrested then by the same logic you fags are using in this thread? They saw them being bullied and snapping but didn't do anything about it and are now responsible for the deaths of several people.

>>130233143
She assisted in suicide, and in fact actively encouraged this over time. That's illegal, and it should be.

Stop trying to shirk social responsibility like a mudskin.

>>130230072
uhh how can you be so ignorant??

you can be a gay male and still be attracted to women and find them bueatufiful

this is why things like the bill c-16 had to be passed

too many ignorants in the world

>>130232941
I take it you don't disagree.

Also, it's good to see another "Oh, Brother" fan on /pol/.

we just had this thread an hour ago. she dindu nuffin. judge overstepped the law. guy killed himself on his own accord. archive >>130209256

>>130232694
>He wouldn't have done it without her, so she did assist him.
How do you know this? Are you psychic?

Libfags always start believing in fairies when it serves their agenda.

>>130231165
I think if it's repeated many times it may qualify as harassment

>>130233471
lmfaooo that's not even comparable. Stop using fallacies you fucking retard.

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>>130233288
>her bottom head

>>130229903
so sleepy so tired

>>130233562
damn nice rebuttal you sure showed me the error of my logic

>>130229903
Should have played the pretty, white and cute card

>>130229903
>1969, which limited the scope of banned speech to that which would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action
Suicide is against the law. She directly incited a suicide. Why don't you people understand our laws?

>>130229903
>>130230001

She's gonna get raped so hard by Sheboons in jail.

Almost feel bad, since she's a relatively attractive white female that should have been married having children to preserve Our future.

Then I realized she's a total cunt after seeing those screenshots. Fuck her.

>>130233553
You're the fucking white knight defending this cunt.
Fucking hell, you're literally grasping at straws trying to somehow explain that she didn't assist in his suicide which is against the law.
Why are you shilling so hard for this fucking bitch? Let the cunt rot. Women are fucking retarded and they shouldn't be allowed ringer away with this.
>>130233763
Also this.

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>>130229903
hol up
She got convicted?
Why didn't the femenist hordes come to her aid and claim that somehow SHE was the victim here?

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>>130232476
>7+ at least
u wot m8

>>130233665
There's no point in rebutting a false analogy.
It's a fallacy, simple as that.

Try to stick to a more legitimate train of logic next time.

>>130233237
>>130233485
Oh I've read them. He approached her first with the idea. This is a key point.
After that, she encouraged him and manipulated him etc etc, and is of course a terrible person. But it's no worse than a chan full of spergs telling someone that's streaming their suicide to hurry up and die. It's either suicide or murder, there is no between. The ONLY exception is cult leaders killing themselves.

Basing laws on an appeal to emotion is setting a dangerous precedent.

>>130233852
They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this *

>it's another "/pol/ fundamentally misunderstands the law"

OP, just ignore the blithering idiocy of the ignorant.

Also, to the faggot trying to assert that the US isn't a common law jurisdiction in an earlier thread: please kill yourself.

>>130229903
crying cunt deserves prison

>>130233886
>its a fallacy because i say so

you must be like a worldwide champion debater or something

Dem Brows

>>130230923
this. the whole feeling sorry for suicide is getting old fast. You can't fucking babysit someone for the rest of their life and prevent them from killing themselves.

>>130233898
>still ignoring the trusted relationship factor
>still ignoring the victims susceptibility
>never responded to the governing case law that acknowledged these factors.

You're better than this, Australia

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>>130229903
>live 1 town over from where this chick lives and where this all happened
>not surprised int he least as it's nothing but rich yuppies who've never experience the real world raising kids they have no business raising

I'm surprised they convicted her

>>130230001
I dare say some black women look better than she does. Fuck outta here, nu-male.

I'll try to break this down one more time.

>Suicide is illegal
>It is illegal to directly incite imminent lawless action

Explain to me how communicating to someone as if you were in the same room as them and telling them to commit suicide is not directly inciting a lawless action?

>>130233898
It COULD be argued she was being tried entirely on pathos even despite the fact that she continued with this relationship with the intent to convince him to kill himself, until she stepped so out of bounds that she actively encouraged him to continue through with it after he chickened out.
Then there's no blurry line. This crosses the realm into the physical, not just the emotional.

>>130233527
I've used the "these boys is not white" and "wait a minute" stills with subs, but it never caught on here.

>>130234052
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

It's a false analogy by definition.
Or... do you really want to argue that you've presented a good argument? I'd love to hear your defense.

>>130232524
They didn't reach it easily and there's plenty of legal scholars shocked about the decision, Mohamed. She's gonna win the appeal.

>>130234398
Tell me how its a false analogy then if you really think so. You're not giving me anything to argue against except "just cause i say so"

>>130230001
i can definitely see the fags over at /fa/ worshiping her, she looks like she could be a model for Dior. but when compared to the choker wearing hoes im used to, i wouldnt fuck her

>>130233869
Mea likea happa come to pappa

>>130234173>>130234315
I can only base what I know on criminal law here in QLD, we're pretty similar to the U.S. but also very different in some aspects. Even then, each of our states has it's own criminal code.

The precedent being set here is that a prolonged campaign of encouraging someone to kill themselves renders that person responsible for the actions of a suicide. Thus far the only precedent being set for such a similar case I believe is where cult leaders order their followers to kill themselves they are responsible for the suicides. Even that was contentious, because it implies these victims had no self determination and that their suicide wasn't 'suicide.'

She'll win the appeal easily.

>>130229903
tell your dumbass bro, free speech is opinion, not telling someone to get back into a death machine

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>>130230001
Holy shit, weight makes a world of difference with women.

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>>130230353
I'm with you bro, she's hot.

>>130234909
There was a similar case here where a psycho bitch jumped off a balcony. She assaulted her tinder date, and in self defence the man locked her out there to calm down and protect himself.

The state prosecutor contended that she was so scared that she felt she had no choice and that it was all the man's fault.

>>130235398
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-20/the-story-of-gable-tostee-and-warriena-wrights-tragic-date/7941720

>>130234909
The only thing being implied here is that the victim was more vulnerable than most due to mental illness, and that she was fully aware of this.

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>>130233862
Cuz she strait white ayrian and he was brown.

>>130235398
>>130235431
Yes, Australia, we know your country is hopelessly cucked.

>>130230001
She looks like a game of thrones extra. 10/10 in bongistan

>>130232820
>>130232882
>>130232694

kill yourself

fucking do it, i'm serious

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>>130232789
>>130232941


Degenerate scum.

Muh freedom to lie! WTF would I do without muh freedom to lie?

>>130235614
After you.

>>130230923
There's a difference between knowing the person and their mental problems and being a random Anon on the internet.

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You shills don't know when to stop, huh? Go back to your fucking Communist General and Alt-Left threads. There is no logical argument for convicting someone for indirect harm. Not everything that opposes your worldview is a crime. The guy decided for himself that he would an hero.
>"feelings =\= laws"
This statement is true. Why are you people so obsessed with coercing the public to live by your own morals or whiteknight sense of duty? If you want to save a life, go right ahead. Become a doctor, firefighter, or just a good samaritan. Don't force others to make the same sacrifice. If she is guilty of manslaughter then female undercover cops posing as hookers are as guilty as pimps in soliciting sex. Fucking altruists and "turn the other cheek" fake Christcucks shitting up this place.

>>130233439
this is the same group of people (alt-right sjws) who would shit their pants and bawwww relentlessly if an antifa says "punch nazis" or calls barron trump a spoiled little autist

>>130235862


now, if I did kill myself, by your logic, you are "guilty as sin" and should be imprisoned, right?

logickless feminine faggot.

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>>130230001

>>130234909
1. Precedents aren't set at the district level
2. Nothing about this case is novel or in any way straying from common law doctrines which have existed for centuries.

>>130234138
>emotionally abusing someone is totally fine

you do realize that being this type of person is why you are alone, right?

>>130236165
Only if I texted you for weeks on end, demanding your suicide, which is what actually happened in the case.

>>130236165
Wrong. Your inability to appreciate nuance reveals a subhuman level IQ. PERVASIVE COERCION, MANIPULATING TRUSTED RELATIONSHIP, PARTICULAR SUSCEPTIBILITY TO INFLUENCE, FAILURE TO TAKE REASONABLE MEASURES LIKE INFORMING HIS FAMILY.

>>130236427

kill yourself, faggot. if I kept trolling you in this thread and you actually did it, would I be guilty? You're setting arbitrary boundaries. FREE SPEECH

>>130236453

>muh IQ

oh boy we got a smart one over here folks. You used a lot of fancy words, you massive faggot, but the point stands: KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF LOSER

>>130229903

>Freedom of speech to berate, guide, instruct, and allow someone to kill themselves and then reap the "benefits" by being an attention seeking whore

There's a clear line here. There is no complexity. No intelligent human would do this shit and not consider it unjust.

>>130230684
underrated post

>>130236256
If there's district level courts don't set precedents, why is this case being tried it one? (I'm genuinely curious, are there existing similar cases to this? If there are, why is this such big news?)

It's begging for an appeal to a higher court where it should've been tried in the first place.

>>130236162
Threatening someone with physical harm and suggesting someone should harm themselves are radically different. Fuck off.

She looked good in the OP pic in the last thread, now she's a spaghetti haired pig fish from Mars. True nature revealed!
she's one of them... your worst nightmare younglings she's a polymorphic morning after psycho bitch!

>>130234909
But it's still accountability this sadly just shows humans do things because of pressure, vulnerability and acceptance. We're a pretty simple species, and sometimes need very little motivation to do something insane or harmful.

We're not just arguing law here, we're arguing what's right and wrong and the human condition. Something which isn't always factored into law, yet those same laws pertain to us and our actions. Why do you think we had to come up with something like "Human Right's Law", and not just "International Law" (Which we also have, but sometimes they are separate and don't blur very often.

>>130230001
>she

I guess he is if you like men

>muh freeze peach

She should be punished, but not with jail time. She should be publicly whipped, O.P.

>>130229903
>Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire
>Some forms of expression--among them obscenity and fighting words--do not convey ideas and thus are not subject to First Amendment protection. In this case, Chaplinsky uttered fighting words, i.e., words that "inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace."

>>130237516
I.I.R.C., she got 20 years. Don't you think that's excessive, Anon.? That's like enslavement.

>>130237680
Why are you advocating for her? She ain't going to fuck you.

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>>130229903
This needs to be edited to where it looks like Trump is butt raping her.

>>130237886
Christian law doesn't have imprisonment. Seizure of property (restitution) or public humiliation like lashings would be God's way.

>implying i would involve myself with a woman hundreds of miles away

>>130233471
Sandy hook, my boyfriend's cousin girlfriend was there and it all happened like the authorities said.

>>130237015
Couple of points:
1. Appellate courts are solely for seeking redress in cases of abuse of discretion or improper procedure. They cannot have original jurisdiction over matters such as this
2.its getting media attention because it involves a "pretty white girl" and the crime was particularly callous
3. There is ample precedent in the majority of jurisdictions, and even statutes in most. Here, because there is no statute, the judge can fill in the gaps (see principals of common law)
4. I have been unable to find a single point on which this will go to appeal, meaning they will likely appeal the judgment as abuse of discretion. The standard for appeal is substantially higher and skews I'm favor of upholding the judgment, especially as it relates to questions of mixed law and fact (this would be the factorial analysis of relationship, susceptibility, and dominance)

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>>130230923
She wasn't convicted because she had been encouraging him to commit suicide and helping him research ways to do it for months on end. She was convicted because when the time came, and he got out of the truck because he was scared and having second thoughts, she told an extremely vulnerable and unstable person to "get back in the fucking truck." The judge deemed this to be a "wanton and reckless act" that contributed to the guys death. Which is pretty much the definition of involuntary manslaughter.

>>130237886
>>130238023
Alternatively you could call her a "witch" and then sentence her to death. Still not imprisonment, Anon.

>>130238023
Well, how do you accurately determine how much you take from her (belongings). Or how much you whip her (Punishment should fit the crime)? Also how the fuck is taking her belongings going to make anything better? Get out of her with materialistic garbage.

I am a Christian myself, but stuff like that is what makes me question how much of the Bible is exactly cannon, straight from God's own will or words.

>>130238231

you need to step into a fucking truck, faggot, and huff on some carbon monoxide

DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>>130238336
>he's salty

Thanks for the salt delivery, Anon. You're right on schedule!

>>130229903

Dunno. When I saw the actual texts it's pretty fucking spurious. I thought she literally kept harassing him to do it and gave him detailed instructions etc on how to do it.

She basically just said "fucking KYS my dude".

Honestly think it's kinda weird.

Also I'd like to breed her.

>>130235129
mind fucking blown

>>130231224

So what?

He. Killed. HIMSELF.

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>>130238159
Although I know point 1 and how common law works, thankyou for the explanation based anon.

I didn't know there was already such a large amount of previously existing similar cases, the media are blowing it out of proportion once again. Have a 10/10 in thanks.

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>>130238490
That might work if only I was mentally ill, good effort though.

>>130238697


THIS

why the fuck is this board empathizing with the suicidal beta nut and hating on the "cunt"?

oh yeah, this is /pol/

HE KILL HIMSELF

It should be illegal to be a roastie.

>>130238490
1. You don't have a trusting relationship
2. There is no reason to suspect anon is susceptible to influence xe
3. It is not reasonably foreseeable that anon will actually kill himself if you tell him to.

Not comparable

She should be punished, but some of us are mostly in disagreement with the sentences of imprisonment which is like enslavement. 20 years sentence! She should be punished some other way.

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>>130229903
No matter what she is guilty of being a wreched, heartless cunt that abused a mans trust and made him kill himself.

That's enough in my book.

>>130238559
Salty about what? The only thing here is I am surprised so many would side with her. Which nothing her was a good argument, most of it had no basis besides a bias and your guy's appeal to emotion.

"Hur dur, muh free speech", it's not being infringed either, this is a specific case. We're not going to suddenly rip the 1st amendment out and say the bitch got jailed, that means we can't condone this pesky free speech anymore.

This stinks of underaged faggots who understand nothing of law. Fuck if you actually cared about any of this, you should be fighting the Patriot Act. Something that the government let slip in was that if they believe you're conspiring to commit a terrorist act they can throw you into jail with trial.

There is your first amendment going out the window.

>>130238932

You're setting arbitrary standards. Are those standards to be written into law?

In America we have laws, and the law is the law. Freedom of speech means freedom of speaking.

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>>130238765
Glad to help anon, sorry for assuming you knew less than you do - had an anon claiming US isn't a common law jxd so ignorance is rampant surrounding this.

Godspeed, aussienon.

>>130239081
Why do you think I'm so desperate to talk to a fussy and rude individual, Anon.? This thread is moving and there's plenty of other choices, oh salty one.

>>130235129

Yeah. The stress seems to have led to not eating which has made her immeasurably hotter.

She's actually kinda pug ugly with the weight.

>>130234909'

Dunno - We're seeing lots of cases like this in the U.S. right now and they're not going well - Essentially they're making "Feels" a legitimate grievance. Two cases so far where self defense was nullified by provocation, and that provocation was based on preconceptions based on race AND NOT direct actions taken by the individuals (i.e. no "let's fight", just "that guy looks like he wants a fight")

There's a case going on in Seattle right now where a couple are being charged with attempted murder for shooting an Antifa member who attacked them with brass knuckles.

The police claim the couples perceived political beliefs were a provocation for violence, therefore they are ultimately responsible for being attacked and do not have the right to defend themselves.

That case like the other two is taking a direction where the prosecution researches their private communications to ascertain what their political beliefs may have been to "prove" that the attackers were correct in their assumptions. Which I guess is similar to the "Slut Defense" for rapists.

Ironic really.

>>130239169
Reddit please leave, if I am hurting your feelings there are other hugboxes to choose from, which this isn't one of them.

Massachussets used to have those stockades where people would get locked up in the public space for hours at a time to humiliate them as punishment. What happened? Oh, right, anti-whites who want to practise an insane religion of Political Correctness happened.

>>130239145
Yes, the factors I listed have precedent in MA case law as well as virtually every jxd. They are 1L level concepts. Additionally, this is not a 1st amendment case as the target of regulation is the resulting act, not the speech itself.

>>130235568

Well, not as hopelessly cucked as yours evidently - He was found not guilty.

This is an interview after his exoneration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-jpwww0MPM

watch it turn up that she's a /b/tard

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>>130229903
Notice the people against her being found guilty never read the articles or followed the case. They are either trolls or either read the headline, never the details.

>>130239311

Well fuck Massachusetts, yankee faggot.

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This bitch could have done so much more with her talents. Instead of taking out one confused lad, could have fervently posted on r9k and made a difference.

>>130239386
Its because most people think its about a text message conversation.

>>130239469
Honestly your pic is fucking great, just wish it looked better.

>>130238835

I mean she's a cunt, but this was a suicide. It's absurd to punish her just because the family feel bad about raising a loser.

I actually thought she had done something like give him clear instructions and/or a methodology and equipment - Similar to cases involving assisted suicide physicians.

But this was literally in the realm of "kys fag".

This seems like an utterly emotional reasoning for a criminal conviction.

>>130239162
Lawyer?

>>130239081

>/pol/ should be fighting the patriot act

...I mean...it's /pol/. That's not only a given, it's something that already happened and /pol/acks went to jail for.

>>130239487
So they're working from the shallow end, and we're working from the deeper end? Makes sense, but still better dead than red. Commie faggot.

>>130230001
Maybe in this shitty country

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1 and 2, speech and guns are our most important rights.

never let the jews take them.

>>130239386

I'm the opposite.

When I read further into the case, I was actually surprised at how idiotic and worrying the guilty verdict was.

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>>130231231

>>130239145
COMMONWEALTH
v.
Hubert JAUNDOO.

64 Mass.App.Ct. 56
Appeals Court of Massachusetts

"Evidence that the defendant had shown the complainant pornographic videotapes or other pornographic material was admissible “as evidence of a pattern or course of conduct engaged in by the defendant to exploit the complainant's trust, and also as evidence of the defendant's motive or intent to engage the complainant in a sexual relationship.”"

Forgive the poor citation form, but I'm not bluebooking for /pol/ anymore. Here's an appellate decision acknowledge the relevance of relationships of trust in determining various elements.

>>130239701
Communism is the future capitalist pig dog

>>130239587
Nope, they concluded with each other on how to do it (In detail). So it is this >>130239386

No one bothered reading into the case here, besides those advocating for jail time.

>>130239587
>This seems like an utterly emotional reasoning

That's it. What you see with people feeling sorry for the "victim" who killed himself because of his innate lack of quality? This is the feminine side to the yin-and-yang of our world. Emotions running the show with an unethical trial.

>>130239834
So I'm a man, dog, pig?

Yo what the fuck, when and why did they add custom flags?

>>130239414
My jurisdiction is actually AR and we have this shit in our state xode

>>130239834
Your future is in a gulag faggot

>>130239469
Unfortunately, seems to be a lot of crossposters here from /r9k/, Anon.

I crosspost from 8/pol/ and 8/brit/ but never spend time at the sad board of "robots," T.B.H. They should be shepherded, I guess. That or purged. :/

>>130239948

Well fuck you, carpet bagger faggot.

>>130239917
You're such a faggot, holy shit.

>>130239811

I mean, that doesn't really counter what he says. It just demonstrates that your judiciary overrules the constitution based on Feelz.

You're arguing two different points.

He's saying the 1st Amendment should trump your feelings, your pointing out that the judiciary doesn't agree.

It's like when fags argue about the National Firearms Act.

Yes. There are legal precendences for it. But that's not what the 2nd Amendment fags are complaining about. They're saying it's wrong regardless of other precdents they also perceive to be wrong.

>>130230923
>straw
>man

>>130239967
Surrender to Communism right now.

>>130240069
Mad because I figured you out, bitch boy?

i mean i don't think there's a free speech argument about why it should be legal to not contact emergency services if you know a person is dying a preventable death

>>130240100
I would love to see legal authority from the founders stating the 1st is an absolute right.

>>130239854

I did read it, and that was my INITIAL assumption (again, similar to physician assisted suicide). When reading into it, I couldn't find anything like that, which is why I changed my mind.

I can't find anything via google either that demonstrates what you just said.

The closest I can find is that she told him to get back in the truck when he phoned her.

I don't know what you mean by "concluded". Did you mean colluded?

>>130238835
Pretty sure no one is empathizing with him. He killed himself, no one forced him to do it.

It doesn't mean that she wasn't a cunt though. She was his girlfriend and she was egging him on after he didn't do it and said he wasn't going to do it, just so that she could get attention as the "grieving girlfriend". If you don't think that's a cunt move, you're a fucking moron.

>>130239811

>Double responding to my post
>trying this hard
>getting this mad

female bitch confirmed.

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>>130239545
Well, I tried.

>>130230684
top post.

>>130240307
>If you don't think that's a cunt move, you're a fucking moron.


hur dur she's a cunt so she should go to jail

Get your dick wet already you freak

>>130229903

>accomplice to suicide

>>130231224
so if you top your self on live cam we'll watch it too
your point?

>>130239587
>>130239917
Sigh, you guys aren't getting it. This isn't about your opinion basically centering on "Haha, weak, loser, cuck beta" which by the way great arguments. It's about if she actively persuaded him to kill himself, if she helped drive him to do it.

Which she did with "Get back in the fucking car". So but you're wrong, sorry she didn't manifest there and shoved him back in. It's about what she did and how she helped drive him over the edge.

If we use your logic, nothing said from others should have an affect on you. But that would mean /pol/ is filled with psychopaths, pretending to be human.

>>130239697
Curious, what happened? Why did they go to jail for it? What did they do?

>>130240155
Nah I was born in Ms. My grandparents funeral was in their family's old plantation. What other boogie man can you paint me as to mask your insecurity resulting from our intelligence differential.

>>130240289

>or abridging the freedom of speech

Legal authority stems from the judiciary. If they believe the entire constitution has no legal authority, that's up to them. But that's not the point the anon is harping on. He's saying the constitution SHOULD be the highest law in the land.

>>130240307

>You should go to jail for being a cunt

We're all in big trouble here then.

>>130240425
Where did I mention she should go to jail idiot? I'm saying she's a cunt, which she is.

Hur dur women can do no wrong. betacuck

her relatives should be executed with her

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>>130229903
>tfw no qt bully gf
why live

I agree what she said wasn't the right thing to say. I do think that his death is tragic. I just wonder why is he not being held accountable for his actions? He at the end of the day was the one who did it. Example: Somebody tells me to smoke. I go home and smoke. It is entirely my fault for smoking because I should have known better and rightfully so I will be accountable for my actions at that point. If I am given the cigarettes, I am accountable for my actions. If I'm given a light, I am accountable for my actions. If everyone is cheering me on to do it, I am accountable for my actions. If my girlfriend tells me to do it, I am accountable for my actions. What she did was wrong I understand that, but legally it seems too far a stretch to justify as a crime. He should be responsible for his actions and I understand the drive for "justice" in this tragic case but it's gone too far.

>>130240531
What a nebulous argument without coherent substantiation. Scalia used actual historical evidence to support his originality interpretation, and was successful in persuading many to his side. This just smacks of "I don't understand or like this so it's not constituional"

>>130239299
>practise

if you're going to feign the USA flag NEVER write like this again

>>130240495

fucking scalawag faggot
>>130240479

that isn't my argument, but it explains the dichotomy between the two sides. male and female, strong and weak, emotions and law

>>130240301
Well, on one news cast it was said they planned this together and drew up ideas. He had even picked a location out for it, even bought a generator for the act.

>>130240785
Mind your own business, you boring pedestrian.

>>130230001
>>130230353
I would torture you to death in front of your family for making posts like this.

>>130229903
10/10 would use to breed super soldier ubermenschen for the master race

>>130240783
Aren't the U.S.A. and Mass. distinct jurisdictions, Anon.?

>>130234909
The judge actually cited a previous case in Massachusetts from 1816 which was very similar - a prisoner kept encouraging another prisoner to kill himself, which he finally did. He was found guilty in a very similar manner. Her verdict is likely to be upheld as there actually is prior law.

>>130229903
Strong legal knowledge here. An accomplice to what exactly? Suicide itself isn't a crime. Mark my words, this will get overturned on appeal, clearly an error on a question of law

>>130240603
>Hur dur women can do no wrong. betacuck

yeah, they kinda cant. they do wrong because of weak men. Youre the "betacuck" for not realizing that. (nice obsession with cuckoldry btw faggot)

>>130240346
Just noticing her and his skin tone are very similar.

>>130240479
>Sigh, you guys aren't getting it. This isn't about your opinion basically centering on "Haha, weak, loser, cuck beta" which by the way great arguments. It's about if she actively persuaded him to kill himself, if she helped drive him to do it.
i mean those guys are stupid but no, it isn't. even if everyone was on this girls side she's still fucked for not dialing 911 when she had the chance.
like she could have said and done the exact same shit she said and did and if she dialed 911 before the kid was over the hill this conviction wouldn't even happen.
because it's not about how anyone feels or free speech, it's about how legally responsible you become for someone when you have the option to contact emergency services for them and don't when their life is in imminent danger (or however you wanna phrase that).

She's way too cute to go to jail. She was also young and made a mistake, although I do feel sorry for the guy, it was ultimately his fault.

>>130241082
And for 20 years, too.

>>130240718
She continuously told him to kill himself, over and over. When he was having second thoughts and told her he was scared, she said "No, this is what you've been wanting, don't pussy out" and actively encouraged him to go through with the act. This is Charles Manson level, it literally is, and you're all being biased by your dicks giving her a pussy pass

Stop giving her a pussy pass you fucking KEK

>>130240479

>It's about if she actively persuaded him to kill himself, if she helped drive him to do it.

I don't see that as something that should be a criminal act. If it makes you feel better, I disagree with a number of legal rulings and laws. I might be on the fence if she had assisted him in the suicide, perhaps. But I'm not inclined to think "driving someone over the edge" by making statements to them is grounds for manslaughter.

I think people who believe that are putting their unbalanced, unreasonable emotions ahead of logic.

>If we use your logic, nothing said from others should have an affect on you.

Unironically yes.

>But that would mean /pol/ is filled with psychopaths, pretending to be human.

Conversely, you, like many liberals, are hysterical and unreasoable and put emotional reasoning ahead of logical reasoning.

It also makes me think you are extremely new to the board, as this is a constant point of contention between /pol/ and places like /tumblr/, where Feelz > Realz dominate.

>Curious, what happened? Why did they go to jail for it? What did they do?

So you are new (or relatively new)?

Technically it wasn't the patriot act (although, again, that's just a given as something loathed by the community on /pol/). But /pol/acks who helped organized Operation Payback (the DDoSing of Amazon, Sony, Paypal and the hacking of the FBI and CIA in retaliation for the Assange extradition fiasco) all got doxxed, ratted on each other and ended up in jail.

Without /ourguys/ even using the "I gotz the autism" defenses (unsucessfully - and getting extra time for loli found on their drives)

>>130240289
That's not how it works, the founders themselves don't have legal authority, the authority comes from the written constitution and it's judicial interpretation

>>130240901
R A R E

>>130240941
They are, but if anon wants to pose a constitutional question then SCOTUS is controlling authority, or historical evidence supporting a countervailing principals held by the drafters.

>>130240783

No, it smacks of "I feel bad so I want to curtail rights and ignore the constitution to put someone in jail for making me feel this way".

>>130233505
Scrunchy face and 15head. Bitches like her and tahmi lahren (or however you spell her name) are fucking ugly.

>>130241054
People who threaten suicide shouldn't be studiously avoided, they should still be part of the community. At the same time people shouldn't encourage them to go through with killing themselves. She made a mistake, but she should be punished considerably less than what the punishment is, Anon. Imprisonment as a punishment for most crimes is the wrong way and here is an egregious example of why not.

>>130240317
>when you get btfo so bad you have to attack the person who gaped you

Enjoy never having control of your shitter again, because that "female bitch" fucked your ass like Mr's Hand's horse.

>>130230923
T H I S
H
I
S

>>130241165
>But I'm not inclined to think "driving someone over the edge" by making statements to them is grounds for manslaughter.
it isn't. not calling 911 when they're killing themselves and giving you a play by play after you tell them kys faggot is the manslaughter part. because manslaughter is when you cause a death (by not contacting 911, not by saying mean things) that was avoidable but didn't murder someone. which is what she did.

>>130229903
I'd need some additional illegality to her coerciveness to convict, ex. blackmail or a threat like I'll kill your whole family if you don't commit suicide

>>130240831

Maybe you should actually read the case then, because there was no planning on her part. Just encouragement and disregard when he phoned her to let her know he was there and not sure if he should go through with it.

>Get back in the car.

She also did not phone 911, although I don't see why she should be compelled to.

>>130241368
Wrong.

>>130230001
does she have crazy finn heritage?

>>130238799
lol what is that picture and where is it from my dude?

>>130241214
Then what exactly is your position? The courts have held speech isn't absolute for centuries, and there is no evidence to my knowledge reflecting a countervailing sentiment from the founders.

>>130241356
>Imprisonment as a punishment for most crimes is the wrong way
i agree with this so i won't argue

>>130241054
>when you have the option to contact emergency services for them and don't when their life is in imminent danger


how do we know that she was certain he was serious?

IT WAS OVER A TEXT MESSAGE. That's a bad argument anyway. Should people that shout "jump" when people are on a bridge get arrested after the person jumps? Nobody can ascertain with 100% certainty the difference between jest and hateful rhetoric, between banter and bloodlust. They're just words, not actions.

>>130241279
Upon what do you base this presumption that our founders desired absolute speech?

>>130241464

Fuck what the founders thought, it's irrelevant. The problem with this >The courts have held speech isn't absolute for centuries..

is that it's a very slippery slope. Look at Europe

>>130241565
THIS WAS NOT JUST A ONE OFF THING

This was continued manipulation of a person she had a close relationship with who she knew was mentally unstable, and who she knew legitimately WANTED to kill himself. Not randomly shouting at a stranger once

How do you people not see this? She is at the very least guilty of negligent homicide, period. Stop giving her a pussy pass you fucking KEK

>>130241685
>Stop giving her a pussy pass you fucking KEK

What, do you believe in equal treatment or something? Fucking beta lol

>>130241378

I mean, that's really spurious.

By not stopping a person you are responsible for their actions?

Not even the police get hit with that charge.

If she had gone out and bought him a shotgun and said "put this in your mouth and pull the trigger" and she was a guardian in care of a person with diminised capacity....eh (which is what I initially thought the case was going to be similar to).

But "kys faggot" followed by not giving a shit?

That's cruel. Rude. A nasty thing to do. But manslaughter? For hurt feelings?

*I* personally don't agree. But I also don't agree that hate speech = incitement, and the majority of the civilized world disagrees on that point too. Hence me being on /pol/ and not faceberg or twitter.

>>130241548
Consensus is as important as arguing a disagreement, only they're important in different ways. Thank you for the (You), lad.

>>130241142
I understand you are emotional but please refrain from those aggressive comments. Would hate to see you get charged for manslaughter.

>>130241565
dude you do not come across as intelligently as you think you do with the way you speak. i'm not trying to troll you or anything gay like that, but really.

>Should people that shout "jump" when people are on a bridge get arrested after the person jumps?
if they're the only person around, had a phone and didn't bother dialing 911 either before or after yelling jump, yeah, they should get arrested. for the not calling 911 part, the yelling "Jump" part is completely fine, legally speaking.

>Nobody can ascertain with 100% certainty the difference between jest and hateful rhetoric, between banter and bloodlust.
ya ok nietzsche i don't find it too difficult to be honest

>They're just words, not actions.
which is why you don't get arrested for the words, you get arrested for the action of choosing not to dial 911 when you have the ability and opportunity like you're legally obligated to

>>130241464

>and there is no evidence to my knowledge reflecting a countervailing sentiment from the founders

It's literally in the constitution.

>abridged

It's an "absolute" right.

>The courts have held speech isn't absolute for centuries

And every year they reduce your rights a little further. Soon you will be approaching Canada tier.

Why are you surprised some people don't like this?

>>130230001
you are clearly a leaf.

>>130241054
But anon, I agree with you.

Aussie, sorry your brain doesn't work very well. But, you cannot bring humans into this knowing full well, we're

>emotional creatures

Then erroneously trying to say we should base this case off of logic, because suicide in general is pretty logical. People are tried case by case, there is no such thing as a blanket verdict for justice.

But, I'll even rag on you further. Tell me you fucking kangaroo humper, how does this fit in with logic? Maybe we should shoot this to a super-computer with no understanding of why he was driven to commit suicide or his underlined motivations at the time. Let's see what kind of response we'll get (Does not compute).

One of the stupidest arguments I have ever seen. This is just about retreating so far into the 1st amendment, that you think anything even remotely threatening it should be done away. It's not even about what's right or wrong.

I love the 1st amendment too, but guess what it isn't an absolute.

>>130241685

>How do you not see this

How do you see this as a crime?

>pussy pass

Yah. Just wait until the mountain of guys are being dragged before the courts because they "drove" their girlfriends to kill themselves by callously cheating on them and dumping them.

>>130241968

You want emotions to rule the case instead of written law. Youre a feminine sack of shit, leaf.

>>130241425
I have you fucking abbo fucker, I knew about this for almost as long as the case has been around. Pretty rich you telling me about our news.

>>130241684
So fuck the founders, fuck the courts? Who left then but you to be the absolute arbiter? Pretty flagrant disregard for our nation's foundation

>>130241819
It's not as simple as "KYS, faggot."
She told him, KYS, he calls her while he's dying, tells her he doesn't want to, she says, "do it for me faggot." and doesn't call anyone when she knows he's dying.
Evil cunt should be executed.

>>130242179

if he's fucking kangaroos and abbos then he's at least getting more than you are, you frustrated little girl.

try going for your horse, you arkansas piece of shit.

>>130241165
>>130242032
I was also suppose to quote you.

>>130242206
>Who left then but you to be the absolute arbiter?

Freedom of speech isn't a hard concept to grasp, and neither is its importance.

>>130242104
>You want emotions to rule the case instead of written law. Youre a feminine sack of shit, leaf.
Nigger do you actually not get how hard it is to scrub blood and guts out of a sidewalk? even if you had no legal obligation to your fellow man - and you literally do - the city would still bill you for the cleaning crews because the blood from the jumper caked into the sidewalk for an extra hour or to so you could demonstrate your masculinity or whatever it is you're doing here
Think about this for even a goddamn second, there is no benefit to civilization in the behavior you're advocating for here

>>130242226

if everything on this site is posted "out of irony and not to be taken seriously", why should everything sent via text be sent "out of irony and not to be taken seriously"?

you fucks dont realize the slippery slope.

>>130242418
>even if you had no legal obligation to your fellow man - and you literally do


no the fuck I dont. Define my "fellow man" cuz I got no obligation to you, leaf.

>>130241968

>if they're the only person around, had a phone and didn't bother dialing 911 either before or after yelling jump, yeah, they should get arrested.

Leaf.

> they should get arrested. for the not calling 911 part, the yelling "Jump" part is completely fine, legally speaking.

You've actually got that partially ass backwards. Her failure to call 911 was part of the evidence demonstrating her intentions, but it was her inciement for him to "jump" that was the root of her conviction.

Legally speaking she has no obligation to call 911...Kind of. In this case she is believed to have a duty because she helped CAUSE the situation.

In the example of the bridge jump, there are only ten states in the U.S. where it would be legally required for you to call the cops - the state she was in is one of them. However, these laws are almost universally ignored by both the police and citizens AND the judiciary.

>>130242226
Massachussets has stopped the death penalty, though. Why do you think they stopped doing it, Anon.? I want to see if you're serious.

>>130242436
>why should everything sent via text be sent "out of irony and not to be taken seriously"?

*shouldnt

>>130232251
can you please stop pretending that you understand the law? we get it, you want to get away with doing whatever the fuck you want, cool guy.

>>130242263
Never knew you guys worshiped pussy so much.

>>130242206
Do you worship the founders, is the constitution the gospel to you? It serves a function you retard to protect it's citizens, not criminals. By your account every politician who ever conspired against you or this countries interest is completely absolved of any wrong doings.

Just because he didn't have to lift a finger, all he had to do was whisper honeyed words into the ears of the masses, and you did it all yourselves.

>>130242485
>laws don't apply to me because i don't want them to
great argument you silly nigger. let me put it in terms your r_thedonald ass can understand - even if we lived in a society that destroyed the weak and worshipped the strong you'd still be required to contact your local Based Black Man SS officer to despose of the weak safely and cleanly. Because the safely and cleanly part is more important to society than your gay reddit ideology.

>>130231513
she told him to get back into the car, having just been texted that he was scared to kill himself

he then got in the car and died

if you put someone in harm's way with intent (which was proven by confession of her to her friends, on the back of mountains of text messages imploring the man to kill himself) it is a crime

>>130242226
I was too emotional. I agree with the manslaughter verdict. She wasn't directly responsible for killing him (not murder) but she played a key role.

>>130238697
you can act like you are above it, but some women can really fuck up your mind. perhaps one day you'll experience that yourself.

>>130241971
"No inference is here intended that the laws provided by the State against false and defamatory publications should not be enforced; he who has time renders a service to public morals and public tranquility in reforming these abuses by the salutary coercions of the law." --Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:381

And so I ask you, upon what do you base your assertion that the right is absolute?

>>130242692

bah gawd bah gawd a "reddit" insult outta nowhere!

>>130242667

Its not about worshiping pussy. Its about having gonads, you damned scalawag.

>>130242519
>Her failure to call 911 was part of the evidence demonstrating her intentions, but it was her inciement for him to "jump" that was the root of her conviction.
then the case is faulty and she will enjoy the freedom resulting from her appeals process, assuming the DA doesn't see that coming from a mile away and give her some weird bullshit like extra long probation but no jail

>>130242032

Getting mad and flinging ad hominems and not countering statements with logic?

What a surprise.

>why he was driven to commit suicide

What are you confused by? I don't believe driving someone to commit suicide should be a crime. I don't believe that peoples actions as a result of hurt feelings are the problem of the person that hurt their feelings.

We have two completely different world views.

>Let's see what kind of response we'll get (Does not compute).

Precisely?

>This is just about retreating so far into the 1st amendment, that you think anything even remotely threatening it should be done away. It's not even about what's right or wrong.

Unironically yes...however "right" and "wrong" - You are contradicting yourself by applying binary outcomes to situations you yourself describe as subjective, emotional responses to individual morality.

Which is precisely my point - I don't like the idea of trusting legal decisions and judgements on rules and regulations to "muh feelings".

You obviously do. I don't believe in indivdual, case by case determinations. I believe in autisitically following universal codes.

It's a pointless argument because it's rooted in a fundamental difference of how we perceive and interact with the world.

>>130242519
She helped instigate a situation, she is liable. Actively involving yourself in this type of situation proves admittance in the crime.

>>130242226

She should be executed for his poor life choices?

What is it with liberals and wanting to utilize communal punishment for the poor choices made by individuals?

>>130242667
I'm on your side, you cunt. They framed their argument and I attacked its foundations.

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Man this is great, finally a pretty roastie will go to jail for being a huge cunt.

>>130236453
>▶
stop bothering, only the lowest of /pol/ really believe she is innocent, they are retarded, please stop giving them food.

>>130242975

Dont worry so much about "logic". Though its better than emotion, it will twist you around if you're not careful. Go more with your "gut". You have the right mindset on this, and I think it's because of your gut instinct.

When the other side goes hard with emotion instead of logic, you must go hard with your gut instead of logic. It is stronger and more correct.

>>130230001

More like FIVEhead amirite?

>>130229903
suicide is legal is the us you fucking onion sucker. you can't be guilty as an accomplice if a crime wasn't committed.

>>130242975
You conveniently glossed over the hard parts, and picked and chose weaker ones. I'll make it even smaller, as to prove your dis-ingeniousness.

>Should use logic

>On a case based solely on emotion (Suicide)

>We should somehow throw emotions out and use only logic

Alright, we're is the logic? No bias here at all, and not your opinion. Something brought to this argument as proof. What do you think really killed him? Lower levels of testosterone? Got stung be a wasp and was allergic so he dead while inside the car.

I mean surely the generator didn't play a part, and certainly he didn't place it there because of EMOTIONAL stress and encouragement from someone he trusted. Just stop you're not winning any arguments here, trying to say we should all be like calculating machines that's another discussion entirely.

laws are based on popular sentiment and custom anyway so people bemoaning their decline into emotionally driven judgments are really just figuring out where all the laws they have to follow come from to begin with

>>130242966

>then the case is fault

Not really, because the argument is this >>130243014

PLUS it's not relying on her failure to call 911 but predominatly on her "yelling jump".

As I said, "failing to call 911" is largely ignored as a crime in her state. Her conviction was based on her provoking the suicide.

And it's something you're seeing more of in the U.S. lately, with Minnesotta vs. Scarsella and now the case of Joshua Dukes and Elizabeth Hokoana in Seattle.

>>130243124
Anon., 20 years is excessive, though.

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>>130229903
My spidey sense is going off when I see this bitch. I have a feeling for these things so just listen.
This girl is posessed by a deamon. Look at her eyes, shes got dead eyes lifeless eyes like a dolls eyes.
Im not kidding. This bitch got evil in her. It might be Azazel, that deamon fucker likes to mess with peoples mind to make them kill themselves. He then kill the host body so they got a ''suspect''. He then does it all over again when he goes into another person.

>>130243266

>gut instead of logic

>somehow the gut, isn't just alluding to a gut feeling

>still believes he is using logic, somehow

So you admit you're not basing this off of any logic either. Glad we can chalk up this whole court case to your guy. Fuck trials and shit, that's Whitey's shtick.

>>130239182
Scariest post in this thread. Am i the only one reading?

>>130243631
i mean the guy who said you can't be an accomplice if a crime wasn't committed and suicide isn't illegal basically said what i would say to all that.
imo the girl deserves to be hated by the dead guy's family and deserves whatever the legal punishment for failing to report a life threatening situation you have exclusive knowledge to is, which is probably nothing really. but that's what the actual crime was, and the proof of that is if she had done it the kid wouldn't have died despite every other thing she said and did in the situation.

>>130243764

My logic is that he was a man and he had the agency. He chose to kill himself because a bitch told him to thru a phone. So what? Humans say shit.

It aint a hard concept to grasp. She didnt kill him. He killed himself.

>>130242975
Also no one brought up subjective, infact you're thinking this has nothing to do with the specific case and are interjecting it with your own personal bias.

Which if you want my view, I believe there is both objective and subjective, not in this case exactly. It's pretty clear to me, guess that's the different between me.

>>130243549

Okay;

>Should use logic

>On a case based solely on emotion

Hence the case shouldn't exist.

>We should somehow throw emotions out and use only logic

Of course.

>What do you think really killed him?

Carbon Monoxide Poisoning. As a result of him sealing himself in his car with a hose piping it in to the cabin.

>I mean surely the generator didn't play a part, and certainly he didn't place it there because of EMOTIONAL stress and encouragement from someone he trusted.

I don't see how his inability to correcrtly manage or control his emotions is anyone's responsiblity but his own or his guardians.

>Just stop you're not winning any arugments here

I mean, did you even read my post?

>It's a pointless argument because it's rooted in a fundamental difference of how we perceive and interact with the world.

I literally just expressed that there was no point arguing over this subject as our determinations are based on completely different ways of how we view the world. What part of that statement confuses you?

>>130229903
That 5 head though

>>130243692
She won't get 20 years, that's the maximum sentence. And let's be honest, she'll probably appeal and get off with no sentence just because she's a pretty bitch.

>>130243086
Alright carry on then.

>>130235195
she literally looks like lindsey graham.

>>130241464
Dumbass of course there are legislative and judicially imposed limits on free speech. What do you think defamation is? What do you think an assault by true threat is? Incitement to riot? Suppression of national security secrets? All those limited areas of lawful government suppression certainly don't apply to these facts

>>130243906

>but that's what the actual crime was

I'm a bit confused. That's not the actual crime she was charged with or convicted of. Do you mean that's the actual crime she SHOULD have been charged with?

She's pretty hot, kind of reminds me of Cara Delevingne.

If they ever did a movie that's who they should cast.

She can tell me to kill myself anytime :D

>>130244156
Even though you're the most annoying you're also the most rational.

Fuck this guy >>130243960

But, the court case is about accountability. It's simple do you honestly think? She played no role in his death? Serious answer here, do you think she directly influenced his decision? Yes or no, no trying to dance around it.

>>130235195
300 posters secretly saved this pic.

>>130244051

>no one brought up subjective

>emotional responses aren't subjective.

...okay...

>this has nothing to do with the specific case and are interjecting it with your own personal bias.

Obivously? I personally am biased against laws and judgements placed on arbitrary subjective emotional gut responses to incidents.

It's why I also disagree with "hate crime" legislation, or higher setences for sexual offenses over other forms of assault and other legal rulings that are taken as a given in many countries.

>>130244186
Alright, thanks.

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Does anybody know why we stopped sentencing people to hard labor and started letting criminals just chill in big buildings for years at a time?

>>130244546
Emotions are concepts man, they're more chaotic but they aren't hard to understand. You talk shit, and act like shit to others they get mad as the result. I don't think I have to tell you this.

>>130244332
>Do you mean that's the actual crime she SHOULD have been charged with?
yeah exactly, my bad. if this is a crime of any kind "accomplice to suicide" isn't it. and since dialing 911 would have changed the outcome of the situation entirely choosing not to is the action that defined the outcome, not the texts.

>>130244546
>>130244717
My point being is you think they're entirely subjective, they aren't.

You colossal faggots who say this isn't a free speech case are likely the same ones saying someone should gas the jews in all the other threads.

>>130241971
You mean Australia tier levels of censorship? You guys still had obscenity laws until fairly recently and had over 50,000 books banned from the country under your censorship laws

The poor boy killed himself 5 mins from my house. That K-Mart closed down. Finally something interesting happens in my shitty town

>>130244942
false equivalency, jews aren't people

>>130244322
>prohibiting the devaluation and debasing of trusted relationships to manipulate the vulnerable to death is not a legitimate security interest

"To the security of a free constitution it contributes in various ways - by convincing those who are intrusted with the public administration that every valuable end of government is best answered by the enlightened confidence of the people, and by teaching the people themselves to know and to value their own rights; to discern and provide against invasions of them; to distinguish between oppression and the necessary exercise of lawful authority; between burthens proceeding from a disregard to their convenience and those resulting from the inevitable exigencies of society; to discriminate the spirit of liberty from that of licentiousness - cherishing the first, avoiding the last - and uniting a speedy but temperate vigilance against encroachments, with an inviolable respect to the laws."
Washington's 1st State of the Union

Such protections are certainly an exigency of society.

>>130245197
gj will rake you last

>>130244515

>But, the court case is about accountability. It's simple do you honestly think? She played no role in his death? Serious answer here, do you think she directly influenced his decision? Yes or no, no trying to dance around it.

I can't really give you a Yes or No.

And that's why I don't agree with cases like this. I can tell you a guy drove over 60mph and what his blood alcohol reading was.

But a case that is determined on the entirely subjective emotional response of a person is by necessity not going to be a black and white, open and shut case. Which, to me, means it shouldn't be a case because now your legistlating based not on empirical evidence, but on subjective feeling.

>She played no role in his death

At what point do you draw the line? Is a boss who bullies and fires his employee culpable for that employee killing himself or shooting up the office?

I don't think so. I think an individuals actions come under his own purview and how he chooses to respond to said pressures. I can tell you that I wouldn't kill myself if my girlfriend behaved in the same manner. So the law doesn't apply universally. Which to me is a dodgy law and precedent.

Like I said - I can understand the logic behind cases like this up to a point - as in cases involving physician assisted suicide. In those incistances you are providing the materials and metholodgy and instruction on how to commit a crime.

But to me this is more like someone holding a gun manufacturer or publisher of racist material responsible for an autist shooting up a black church. I think there should be a pretty severe, hard line on this matter, because I don't want to see some fat bitch dragging people through court because mean words about her lack of aesthetics caused her to self harm.

Also because I enjoy telling people like Kurt Eichenwald to kill themselves and wish they would follow through.

>>130242519
Common law in the US does not impose any duty to rescue someone who isn't your kid

>>130244942
Yet your defend the Jews with advocating she should get off scot-free. The Jews barely do anything themselves (physically). They rile up the populace and have them do their dirty work. So are you saying all the subversive shit they do is alright, just because it's free-speech and that somehow makes it ok?

>>130245310
no retard, im saying that if you are going down the slippery slope of what constitutes (((legal free speech))) you're going to find yourself in a world of hurt when someone you've criticized gets killed.

>>130242727
>telling someone to get back into their car
>putting them in harms way

>>130245305
>Common law in the US does not impose any duty to rescue someone who isn't your kid
? really? that should demolish the case entirely on appeals then

>>130229903
ACLU: under Massachusetts law, it is not illegal to encourage, or even persuade, someone to commit suicide.

She committed no crime and you dumbshit wikipedia legal scholars support the further removal of the freedom of speech

>>130244717

I don't think I should be responsible for what people do when they get mad as a result.

I don't think I should have to tell you this on /pol/, obviously.

>>130244783

Sure. Like I said, they actually have that law, but didin't use it (and apparently almost never do) because it would probably result in a pretty light sentence and open a can of worms regarding people not calling 911 for all sorts of reasons.

>>130245013

We have censorship laws that almost entirely apply to pornography and certain criminal acts (instruction manuals for pedophiliia, graffiti...bizarrely...are banned).

We DO have a law that falls more under the banner of what we're discussing here, although it's not a CRIMINAL law and doesn't really involve pre-emptive censorship, but is designed to create a chilling effect.

It's 18c, and it allows for people to bring to a tribunal a person who has "offended" them based on their religion, race or gender. At the tribunal they are meant to enter into mediation. They can also use this legistaltion to bring forward civil suits, although that's AFTER the person has "failed" to "correctly" mediate the situtaion.

Our conservatives attempted earlier this year to have this ammended, so that it went beyond "offended" and was specifically for language that was "threatening" or "harassment".

Liberals voted it down of course, as it's the most useful tool designed to shut down debate regarding senstiive matters like race, religion or gender, as the only burden of proof you need to drag a person to court is an anonymous declaration that you were offended by what they said.