Why are men blamed for women not entering stem. Shouldn't

>>130211939
Because they can't handle being responsible for their own lives

>>130211939
Hmmm, I would like to to blame them for more things...

>>130211939
Blaming men does nothing. Recognizing that social biases have existed and continue to exist that subtly push women away from wanting to do computer science, engineering, and physics and into life sciences or social sciences is important.
Similarly, there is a social stigma against men doing many performance arts, teaching, and child care.

related
>https://ironedcurtains.com/2017/05/16/girls-in-tech-its-not-so-simple/

>Picture this: 1986. At the Belarusian Polytechnic Institute in the Robotics Department. Majoring in Applied Mathematics. First year, second semester, first day of the class called “Theory of Algorithms. “The professor walks in, takes one look at us, and utters, “Where is our science going?” Our class consisted of three boys and 47 girls.

>>130211943
>basically, given the choice, women will shy away from stem/tech because they can

>>130211939
I wasn't aware that anyone was blaming men. Where does blame even factor into this argument?

Why are you trying positing this loaded question with the bloated conclusion that blame should be emphasized on one group rather than the other when you can't even prove that it's happening?

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>>130211939
Victim-politics
White straight Christian males (WSCM) are assumed to be all powerful dominate monsters
Social Justice warriors (SJW) do not want ANY occupation/place to be dominated by WSCM
STEM majors are dominated by WSCM so they MUST be "corrected" by SJW

Facts: in USA MAJORITY of college degrees are to women
Fact: the National Basketball Association (NBA) is proportional under represented by SWCM BUT SJW will NEVER complain about this

>>130211945
What?
"blaming men" is literally the only point of rhetoric regarding the topic.

>>130211939
the worst part in all of this is that people think

inequality = oppression

>>130211945
Feminist blame the patriarchy aka men for this. they've already managed to convince most people that women get paid less due to sexism and not personal choices they make.

Stem is competitive. Women are in general, not competitive.

It's literally impossible to have equality when double standards exist.

lack of role models for young girls, same thing like with i don't know, men and hairdressers

we should introduce womens quota

>>130211939
It's kinda funny seeing all these academics and thinktanks asking themselves how to get more women into STEM.

From the sci/math classes i've taken, most women will drop out after the first exam. They just can't handle calculus/physics/linear algebra, in particular.

And its the women's fault for not studying hard enough. Don't blame me because you'd rather flirt with chad than open the goddamn textbook.

>>130211939
>Why are men blamed for women not entering stem. Shouldn't we be blaming women?

It's literally a non issue.

They will find literally ANYTHING that men do more often/better/etc than women, and use it as an excuse to attempt to emasculate and shame the native male population.

It's a psychological warfare tactic.

>>130211951
why does it matter if there are few women in a profession?

>>130211942
This. Women who actually blame men are a loud dumb minority. Most women are well aware it's a problem in society as a whole.

>>130211949
These groups (as well as your opinions of them) exist as buzz words or disparate groups that have no impact on my life or lie completely outside any sphere of influence upon my world.

There are statistically less women in STEM, but the number of women that enroll in STEM continues to grow each year. Statistically, there are also more women enrolled in college than men and this trend is also increasing.

With those statistics, I can make a topic and posit questions around which hypothesis could be formed. These questions could be what factors have led an increase in women in STEM and the reasons for that trend. Why have their historically been less women in STEM and does that correlate past and current trends in women's enrollment in higher education, and what are the significant reasons that more females hold a college degree compared to males in general and comparing current female enrollment compared to males in higher education.

OP, simply states that women are not entering STEM and that men are being blamed. It is a poor question because it can be shown that women are entering STEM, and that an upwards trend of women entering STEM and graduating with STEM degrees is increasing each year.

TL;DR. Shit topic to introduce echo chamber bullshit debate on a falsifiable, unquantifiable hypothesis asserted by the author (OP)

Please go back to /pol/.

This isn't even close to a scientific debate

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>>130211956
Tell it senpai

>>130211939
Men always take the blame because women are perfect, apparently.

>wife cheats on you
>lol it's your fault that you're cuck

>women use you for free stuff while dating
>lol its your fault that you have bad taste in women

>women choose to take the easy route in life by not studying STEM subjects
>lol it's because you're oppressing her

>>130211942
So what can really by done then? How do we change these societal influences?

>>130211945
>Where does blame even factor into this argument?

Blame can be important, because that's the mechanism that you use to identify what's wrong, so that it can be fixed.

For example, when I am debugging code, I have only one goal: to find which line of code to blame for the bug. Without the concept of blame, I would not be able to make any progress in fixing the bug. In general, progress is not possible without the usage of blame to find what needs fixing.

Some people claim that not enough women in STEM is a "problem". If that's the case, then blame needs to be assigned so that the "problem" can be fixed.

If you don't view it as a "problem", then no blame is required, because there's nothing to fix.

>>130211954
>why does it matter if there are few women in a profession?

Because the jews want there to be less goy scientists and engineers, so they will limit their numbers to goy scientistesses and engineeresses.

Thus destroying the west's military capacity.

>>130211957
>This isn't even close to a scientific debate

True, but that doesn't matter because jews control grant money, right?

>>130211961
I see what you mean, but the difference between society and computer code is that sometimes the original cause of a problem in society isn't inherently connected to the current problem

>>130211963
the least you could do is pretend to try to be subtle

>>130211939
>Why are men blamed for women not entering stem. Shouldn't we be blaming women?
Women have lower IQs than men. And their brains work differently and they don't excel at abstract reasoning.

SJWs cannot deal with that because they believe that intelligence is a learned skill and a social construct (they also believe that race is a social construct as well but that's a diff story).

>>130211939
They are blaming their fathers... any stick you are recieving is just blowback from daddy issues...

>>130211964
>sometimes the original cause of a problem in society isn't inherently connected to the current problem

Most software bugs also follow this pattern.

I have encountered many software bugs where the original cause of the problem isn't inherently connected to the actual reported problem. In software bugs, sometimes the chain of causality can be long, indirect, unintuitive, and even convoluted. Just like in social issues.

>>130211965
>the least you could do is pretend to try to be subtle

too late game now.... they in it to win it, and they is late.

IT's a statue of liberty play... they runnin for da end zone.

Next months major science grant: "Why white men need to be killed off, but not white jews"

People discourage girls from going into math and science.

Unlike boys. Why, I remember being the most popular kid at my high school when I told them I wanted to be a math major. All the dumb football players wanted to be me

>>130211960
More exposure, more awareness, and more calling people out on their prejudice. It's a social movement, it takes time, a change of mindset, and sometimes for the older generation to retire.

>>130211971
And what if centuries pass us by and men still dominate STEM? At what point can we give up?

>>130211972
Awareness, non-prejudice, and ample exposure aren't things you give up on... It should just be the norm forever. Even if men dominate STEM, women shouldn't have to be at a disadvantage and subject to social stigma.

>>130211973
I mean at what point can we stop specifically trying to get girls into it while not trying nearly as hard to get boys?

>>130211973
So tell me more about inequality crisis in teaching and nursing, and what's being done to stop it.

>>130211970
>People discourage girls from going into math and science.

FUCKING WHO?

>>130211974
We should never stop demonstrating STEM as a realistic choice for anybody interested in it. So we should never give up on trying to get anyone underrepresented in STEM into STEM.

>>130211975
Society has lots of problems, including an extremely strong expectation of masculinity from males. But the effort goes where the money is first. Men are pushed to the higher paying jobs so they don't complain about being underrepresented as low-paid teachers and nurses. It will be up to men as a whole to demand those jobs if they want them. That doesn't exist right now.

>>130211977
>We should never stop demonstrating STEM as a realistic choice for anybody interested in it.
> for anybody interested in it

If someone's interested in it, they surely realize it's a realistic choice. Nobody hides the fact that there are jobs.

>So we should never give up on trying to get anyone underrepresented in STEM into STEM.

And what if the reason a group is underrepresented is a lack of interest so profound that it persists through decades of trying to push them into STEM?

>>130211977
>low-paid teachers and nurses
What planet are you living on? Teachers make $70-80k a year, which is more than most of the posters on /sci/ will ever make. Nurses make $50-60k a year with only two years of schooling. Get the fuck out you sexist retard.

>>130211979
public K-12 teachers in the US absolutely do not make 70-80K

>>130211980
Yes they do. Check the stats. Ever wonder where all that money goes when politicians talk about increasing funding for education?

>>130211981
2/10 bait for actually getting me to google this nonsense

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

>>130211982
Even if that data wasn't a lowball estimate, they would still make as much as most engineers. Which is ironic considering how much women are crying over not being given preferential treatment in that field.

Also here are actual salaries from my local school district. Most have between $80k to $100k in total compensation.

http://data.spokesman.com/salaries/schools/2012/211-everett-school-district/employees/

>>130211978
>If someone's interested in it, they surely realize it's a realistic choice. Nobody hides the fact that there are jobs.
Yes, but letting that interest develop in the first place is a serious problem faced by the underrepresented. There are lots of women not interested in STEM who may have been if they were exposed to it more, and shown that it's not just a profession for men. You'd be surprised how much subtle stigma can effect lifestyle and decisions.
>And what if the reason a group is underrepresented is a lack of interest so profound that it persists through decades of trying to push them into STEM?
It doesn't matter. Anti-prejudice and anti-stigma should be the norm. It's not some temporary effort to tip the scales. Anyone underrepresented in STEM should be shown opportunity in STEM, always.

>>130211984
>should
When will we get our affirmative action ij teaching and nursing? After all, we *should* have it since it's right, not because there's demand for it.

>>130211983
>http://data.spokesman.com/salaries/schools/2012/211-everett-school-district/employees/
Hardly any of the salaries in the link you posted are anywhere near that range.

Including "bonuses and stipends" most of them are over 70K (not 80-100K for hardly any of them, still). It's nice that they get those, but it sucks that they have to depend on it (because their actual salary is much lower).

I don't see why you'd include benefits like insurance and stuff.

Also, Washington pays teachers better than the average state.

>>130211984
It takes 2 seconds to show them the opportunity. After that, they either take it or they don't.

>>130211986
Those $20k+ bonus checks are part of their contract. It's effectively unreported salary. If teachers are so underpaid elsewhere then post your local district.

more concerning than lack of women in stem is lack of the transgendered.

>>130211966
>Women have lower IQs than men.
Well at least 30% of the people above 130 IQ are women based on mensa statistics

https://www.us.mensa.org/learn/about/demographics/

women only score worse on IQ tests when too much spatial reasoning is involved, the reverse is true when you focus on verbal

there might be a small difference but idk

are 30% of stem people women? assuming you need a 130+ IQ to be in stem (which is probably too high)

>>130211985
It's not an issue of affirmative action (especially since it doesn't work the way you think it does). But I'm all for a movement to end the masculinity stigma that exists in society. It's a harsh burden on men and is not really talked about. You're right in that regard.

>>130211939
Meritocracy > affirmative action

>>130211987
You're not getting it. You don't want to be a nurse, right? Why is that? Because you're an overflowing tank of testosterone, and nursing is for dainty little hands and vaginas? If it paid well and didn't have the feminine stigma, there's no reason it wouldn't be a typical job for men as well.

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>>130211988
a lot of the bonuses are less than 20K but ok?

Teachers, on average, make a lot less than you've said.

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#25-0000

>>130211966
What the fuck is "Intelligence Quotient"? Just an arbitrary test based on someone else's arbitrary idea of what "intelligence" is.

Deeply unscientific joke science. Get back in your lane.

>>130211993
No, I don't want to be a nurse because I have no interest in medicine and because I'm squeamish.

Also I have a talent that can make me more money elsewhere.

What kind of pathetic fucking retard would avoid a job he's interested in because "it's for girls"? Is that how stupid women are? They honestly don't go into science because they're scared of being perceived as manly?

PS, idk if you've ever seen a math department but the men there aren't exactly pinnacles of stereotypical masculinity. They're weak nerds.

>>130211994
They also work only 9 months out of the year and get a shit ton of time off

>>130211991
>I'm all for a movement
Then why aren't you or anyone else doing anything about it? You are paying lipservice in order to cover for an ideology that is hostile towards men.

If you want to talk about invisible institutional biases, how about we talk about all the free handouts that women get while still demanding more?

Need help with your homework? 10+ guys are waiting at the ready to do the entire assignment for you in hopes of getting a date.

Need help with paying for school? Have your boyfriend for it.

Need a job? Show some cleavage and get hired into management because you're a "good communicator."

These were all things that I observed firsthand with the women in my engineering program, and even somewhat in my own gf. You're completely deluded if you don't think there are institutional biases in favor of women.

>>130211997
That's great, but we were talking salary.

>>130211999
>it's not a desireable job because it doesn't meet this strict semantic definition of the word "salary"
You're really reaching here.

>>130211999
60k for working only 3 quarters of the year isn't the travesity you make it out to be. Teachers can also be involved in after school programs and get paid more or pick up a summer job.

>>130211970
>People discourage girls from going into math and science.

proof?

>>130212000
At what point did I ever imply it's not a desirable job? Not once, ever.

You brought up salary, and you were wrong. Then you started trying to move goalposts and put words in my mouth.

>>130212003
>At what point did I ever imply it's not a desirable job?

Right here:
>>130211977
>But the effort goes where the money is first. Men are pushed to the higher paying jobs so they don't complain about being underrepresented as low-paid teachers and nurses. It will be up to men as a whole to demand those jobs if they want them. That doesn't exist right now.

Get out you dishonest bigot.

>>130212001
>Teachers can also be involved in after school programs and get paid more
wow, I never realized that teachers have the unique ability to take a second job and make more money after already working all day. It's not like anybody else can do the same

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>>130212004
wow you really got me there

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>>130212006
I too can use inspect element

>>130212004
Hang on I don't think I'm done making fun of you yet. I just realized that even the OTHER guy (not me) who you quoted, thinking it was me, didn't even say what you accused me of saying.

He just said that teaching was a "low-paid" job.

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>>130211977
>Men are pushed to the higher paying jobs

Men chase the higher paying jobs by themselves, they aren't "pushed" to them.
One of the reasons they do it is to attract the opposite sex, who wants to find a provider instead of busting their ass at work themselves.

>>130211942
>Similarly, there is a social stigma against men doing many performance arts, teaching, and child care.
This is what 90s kids actually believe.

>>130212010
>>130212009
>>130212007
Dude, what do you think my opinion on women in STEM even is?

I've merely been having a very matter of fact argument with you about teaching salaries. I don't see why you think you can possibly know whether I'm "bigoted".

Is saying that teachers don't make 70-80K bigoted?

>>130212012
Men in child care are all pedos.

>>130212013
You're saying "equality" is really just a one-way street against evil men. You're a bigot in an egalitarian's clothing.

Come back when you're actually interested in equality instead of female supremacism.

>>130212015
No I'm not. You're a hysterical retard who slaps labels like "bigot" on anyone who argues with you, even about the most incredibly mundane, matter-of-fact shit like how much teachers make.

>>130212016
It's a valid point that men are institutionally underrepresented in certain female-dominated fields if we're talking about how men should take positive action to give more freebies to women.

>>130212005
>I'm a monkey and ignore the core aspect of your argument

You aren't taking into account that they work much less overall each year. How many other jobs have so many weeks off and summer off?

>>130212018
you (or the person I replied to) mentioned the possibility of making extra money "after school".

That's quite worthy of mockery, since pretty much any job allows you to work another job after working your first one.

Don't throw in stupid points along with valid ones if you don't want to be made fun of.

Anyways, look piggot. If the best thing you can say about a job is that it allows you to get other jobs, then how great can that job really be?

Women don't go into STEM because they're biologically inclined to be disinterested in STEM.

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Remember when white knighting was grounds for pic related? Pepperbridge Farms remembers.

>>130211956
mostly biology majors desu tho

>>130211942
There's a social stigma about men doing teaching and childcare because women have pushed the "every man is a pedophile" shtick. Thanks.
Women wanted to take control of all the teaching jobs so that they can indoctrinate children into feminist and cuckoldry early on. We shouldn't give women anything, they're shit.

>>130211939
Too many white knights in the white race we will never get anything done until misogynistic assholes are the majority again. All white knights want to do is impress girls and be slaves to them fucking disgusting.

I believe that the past few decades have been great for realizing the potential of underrepresented groups in STEM.

In particular for women. We have seen a very significant increase in the success of women in STEM. And while some of it has definitely been just passing incompetent women no matter how bad they are, I think overall it has been positive.

I'm happy to welcome genuinely talented women into math, and STEM in general. Something needed to change and people worked to change it and it did a lot of good.

But I also wonder if we've reached a point of diminishing returns. The current generation of college aged women have known nothing but the artificial cultural push to encourage women to go into STEM. Theyve been told nothing their entire life except that women are as smart as men and they can do anything men can do. And they've been favored over men for admissions and employment.


So it's time to ask the question: how long should we do this? At what point do we just tell women that they're on their own and good luck? When can we stop treating them like stupid babies?

>>130212025

The elephant in the room that everyone is conviently ignoring is the competitiveness of STEM fields. We are having this conversation like we all agree that there is enough room for everyone to work together on technical/scientific problems that is not the case. We as STEM majors are clawing over one another to get into that graduate school and get this high paying R&D gig, etc. There is money and glory to be harvested out of the disciplines of STEM, and there are those who want to get as much as they can of both.

Of course men are threatened by women entering going on a war path to carve a place for them in STEM, they should be. Not only is that more people to compete with bit people with a novelty that gives them an edge that they don't have. To answer your question for how long this is going to go on for. The answer is for as long as it can. And the answer to that is not to stop them. It is to organize as men and work to dominate the other half that we don't fall under. And we must so this not by hindering the success of the opposition but by putting work into ourselves to become smarter and more competent than women.

Give them a seat at the table. And table then Blow them the fuck out fair and square. Simple as that organize and fight for the finite amount of positions to get all that sweet money and glory.

>>130212026
Proofread post

>And we must so this
And we must do this

>And table then
And then

>>130212021
4chan is anonymous reddit now. Time to abandon ship

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Nobody is to blame, everyone is just minimizing their path integral.

>>130212026
>Give them a seat at the table. And table then Blow them the fuck out fair and square. Simple as that organize and fight for the finite amount of positions to get all that sweet money and glory.

There's no such thing as fair and square in their eyes, you retard. Even if you improve yourself and beat them fair and square, they'll just chalk it up to systemic bias and patriarchy and whatnot and use that as an excuse for more and more quotas and affirmative action. Then you'll have to improve yourself even more to fight for less spots, and once you finally get those spots they'll just keep screaming patriarchy and the cycle repeats ad infinitum.

>>130211990
Are you retarded? If 30% of people with high IQ's are women, who do you think the remaining 70% are?
>inb4 "hurr durr I said at least 30% not exactly 30%"

>>130212026
We tried that already, and they still screamed patriarchy. Now women have an institutional advantage in stem, and we're still beating them, and they're still blaming "oppression". It'll never be enough, they'll keep demanding more until someone says no.

>>130211972
50 years ago women dominated math and computer science fields.

>>130212023
Pedophiles are overwhelmingly men.

>>130211956
>no impact on my life

How naive and foolish. Where have you been for the past decade?

>muh statistics

You're assuming those in question have the same rationalizing skills as you. Simply pointing at upward trends does not imply that a certain group of people is not being wrongfully targeted for a frankly retarded misconstrusion of higher-academic enrollment.

This is not a bad question.

It is certainly not "falsifiable" as you claim. Maybe from the perspective of a rational thinking individual, but not to the group in question - the group that has no impact on our lives (I'm being sarcastic here).

>>130212023
>Women wanted to take control of all the teaching jobs so that they can indoctrinate children into feminist and cuckoldry early on. We shouldn't give women anything, they're shit.

...

>>130212026
>what is affirmative action and disadvantaging whites/asians

>>130212035
At the very least, it's a very prominent social stigma. Playing the blame game is a regressive tactic at the forefront of many groups TODAY that seem to carry some influence over the masses as well as a respectable degree of political power.

Just this past week I was at work and on my Windows 10 screen saver was "Less than 8% of women go into STEM." How much do you want to bet there was something behind that link placing blame on men as a whole?

The problem with everyone in this thread is that you still listen to and entertain roastieposting. It's understandable, since you're mostly straights, but it's still a terrible idea. I think everyone here can agree women generally have nothing of worth to say, so why bother entertaining their stupid "but muh wayge gahp even though i work as an hairdresser while my husband picks up trash at night >:(". Just call them roasties, denying them what they really want to achieve by vaginaposting here (to " demonstrate" that they're as smart as men and validate themselves as "not like the other girls").

Don't bother replying to my post roasties, I am immune to your vaginaposting and will not entertain you.

>>130211959
Unironically this

>>130211942
K you can come up with some program to convince women to overcome those social biases and we won't lift a finger for accommodation.

>>130211971
K but what if their prejudices are correct and they don't care when you call them out? In fact, what if their "pre-judice" (meaning prejudgement) is based on experience, making it accurate post-judice? Aren't you then guilty of pro-female prejudice with regards to their ability to work in science and engineering?

>>130212034
Convicted ones. Many female teachers molest students and get off free.

They have resorted to trying to rename STEM to STEAM to include the Arts to make women feel better.

Women gets blamed for a lot of different things. Including, of course, the inequality in STEM.

>>130211952
Most people drop out early. This isn't unique to women.

>>130212045
If there is one thing the internet has taught me it is that everything is the fault of women and that men are hard-working saints

You mean STEAM :)

>>130211996
>Why did you develop interest in STEM over nursing or child care?
>Because I have no interest in nursing and child care!!!

>>130211939
Because gender studies is waaaay easier.

>>130212049
embarrassing post

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ITT:

>ignoring the fact men's and women's brains are different due to sexual dimorphism
>implying these differences are caused by society and patriarchy, instead of hormones and genetics
>ignoring the fact STEM fields have been working perfectly for millenia without the presence of women
>now it's a """problem"""
>muh so many white goys making big figures
>muh women need more power
>oh shit most women don't even give a shit about technology
>muh quotas

>>130212052
quotas are bullshit but nobody should be outright denied an opportunity.

>>130212053

Not even if they lack the ability to make anything of said opportunity? You realize there are finite resources on Earth, right? Giving an "opportunity" to someone who lacks the ability or interest to make anything of it means NOT giving an opportunity to someone who could make something of it.

>>130212054
yeah, that's why it's called an opportunity. you have an opportunity to apply for a job. you have an opportunity to apply for college. if you're underqualified, nobody is obligated to accept you.

>>130212055
exactly, which is why there shouldnt be sex or ethnicity questions on applications.

>>130212052
>sexual dimorphism means that men and women would never succeed the same job

>>130212055
Does anyone on this thread know what affirmative action is?

>>130212056
Discrimination based on name alone is a thing too.

>>130211939
>Why are men blamed for women not entering stem
what kind of retard does that?

>>130212060
A lot of people.

>>130212061
[citation needed]

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>>130211963
>jews control grant money
It's the bourgeoisie, senpai. Jewish proles don't have any grant money for you, white bourgs and black bourgs have tons.

>>130211973
>Even if men dominate STEM, women shouldn't have to be at a disadvantage
Can you actually prove that women face some systematic, socially imposed disagvantage in the sciences, with anything approaching rigor?

>>130211970
9/10, subtil
You raise an important point though. Culture at large can be profoundly anti-intellectual despite our mastery of the physical world being all that keeps us out of living in the swamps and caves

>>130212064
Disadvantage may have been the wrong word, because it implies hardship once pursuing STEM has begun. I'm talking about girls getting into STEM in the first place. They are at a disadvantage due to stigma and social pressures. Welcoming them more in general could help more women get into STEM. Even if they never approach the numbers of males in STEM, why wouldn't you want to welcome capable females? So that's the problem we're talking about. Making STEM accessable from a social standpoint, not from a directly discriminatory standpoint.

>>130211984
>There are lots of women not interested in STEM who may have been if they were exposed to it more, and shown that it's not just a profession for men. You'd be surprised how much subtle stigma can effect lifestyle and decisions.
If someone's major decisions on this level can be swung by subtle stigma, they were never cut out for science in the first place. It takes a certain highly objective mindset.
Sure, I'll acknowledge lack of ability/cause/desire to cultivate such a mindset, among every section of the population, as itself a cultural disease to be overcome in general. Certainly something that deprives people of their "free choice" to see the world as it is, and to see past and ignore irrational biases that might otherwise impair decision-making. But the problem never was what, specifically, the stigmas ARE.

Honestly, "science is unfeminine/nerdy/unsexy, and you don't want to be unfeminine/nerdy/unsexy, do you?" is a great filter for those who don't have the right mentality and priorities, whether male or female.

>>130212066
People go pretty far just to fit in. It's a filter that applies to a huge population, and that is unfair. At least you have the acknowledgement, and honestly that is the most important part. Widespread acknowledgement alone can help eliminate the societal pressures.

>>130211942
baseless conjecture.
do you have any experimental evidence to suggest this is true, or are you a dogmatist?

>>130212065
>why wouldn't you want to welcome capable females?

Nothing wrong about capable females. But what you are saying about "being more welcoming to women" is just the PC way of saying "lowering the bar for women".

I wouldn't want to fill my classrooms with subpar students who just got in because you misrepresented STEM to them for the goal of being "welcoming" and now it is my job to show them how actual STEM works and when 50 stacies fail my class because they had unrealistic expectations every feminist and their dog will think I am a sexist who just fails every woman because I hate them.

The vicious cycle
>push for subpar women in STEM
>every year 99.9% of the women drop out
>feminist activist: look at all these women being kicked out. SEXISM. We need more affirmative action
>push for more subpar women in STEM
>repeat

>>130212069
I'm not proposing lowering the bar. Just acknowledgement on a cultural level and targeted recruitment. Targeted recruitment doesn't mean lowering the bar. It means more female applicants.

>>130212062
[common sense and not living under a rock needed]

>>130211963
If /pol/ is right then jews are the master race and are completely in the right.

>>130212067
>People go pretty far just to fit in.
Those people should stay the fuck out of STEM because they're retards

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>>130212068
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding
Computer Science is one of the fields most indicative of social biases pushing women away. The other fields never listed never had parity at any point in history.

>>130211939
>Why are men blamed for women not entering stem. Shouldn't we be blaming women?
Stop with your bullshit, it's nobody fouls yet at the same time is society foul but affirmative action it's not a good way to make the change.
I don't know how it's in first world countries but at least in my shithole mexico there's a clear bias towards woman in STEM, even when i don't have many friends and yet i can count 2 witch where denied study to STEM because muh man stuff, granted one of those families changed their mind after they realize that it's good to brag about your "smart" daughter (but now it's wrong because they are pushing the youngest to EE but she pretty much wants Medicine) and the other at the first hard stuff would have quit.
I myself have to proved to my dad i was able to do man's job and endure being in man territory in order to he letting me en roll in Mechanical Engineering , but now thanks to my hardships many of my cousins are going to have a more easy choice i hope they don't chicken out like me and choose physics or maths. In school also teachers treated you different some times like you were a child making things easier to you (witch i don't like) and sometimes teachers put you on hardships (i like to think it's to make you more strong). At the end of the day in 5 of my 6 classes i'm the only woman, many of may female and male classmates has leaved the school or changed major.
Many jobs in the industry are exclusivity for males and the ones for females are sell and managing/administration stuff.
But SJWs are simply stupid in my country little girls are being raped and killed yet they prefer make fuss about prouns, trans people and TV.
TLDR; I don't think we should push women in STEM but maybe show them it's something they can do if they want to do and like everything in life it's not going to come easily yo them

>>130211939
Bump

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>>130211939

In our society irredentism is rewarded with a pat on the back and 15 minutes of fame

>>130212074
>social biases pushing women away
their's no such thing. 1 or 2 out of 10 women i see in computer science should be there.

>>130212074
>pushing women away

kys faggot.

>inb4 a newfag says something along the lines of "HAHA SHILLS YOUR PROXY MALFUNCTIONED BTFO"
Bonus for Kuckistan flag

>>130211939
Nice Flag ShariaBlue Faggot.

>>130212012
this is true though .either this >>130212014 or your a pussy
I remember once when i was 12 or 13 i was killing time at a jungle gym and this 2 year old grabbed my hand and made me walk her across the jungle gym bridge .After we made it to other side the mom came over fast and took her away like i was some kind of pedo dumb bitch i was just a kid myself

>>130211939

We should conduct a poll of male engineers. "How many of you felt that your childhood peers were supportive and encouraging of your love of Star Trek, your skill with math, and your sincere but awkward attempts to fit in with the future business students?"

Then we'll have numbers actually demonstrating that male engineers received only love, praise, and encouragement while all the girls were bullied and kept away from social events by uncaring popular kids.