What does /pol/ think of SSRI? placebo effect? legit fix for

It's not a placebo if it's literally been studied vs placebo in a valid clinical trial.

Drugs can temporarily lift someone up but should never be encouraged as a long term fix.

they only work for some people, usually with other negative side effects

not a placebo effect. it gives you permanent brain damage which makes you ok with living an unhappy life. also say goodbye to sex lol.

>>130208178
They're prescribed way too early on in the investigative process. They should be the very last thing tried. Exercise, eating right, meditation and therapy should all be tried first but rarely are.

>>130208349
All the info I was able to gather was mostly people complaining about the side effects

>>130208178
They DID help me think more positively about things. It wasn't just a placebo, I'm 100% sure because my depression was really bad and it made a noticeable difference.

However, there are complications. It can make you feel zombie-like. It can make your dick numb. It takes 4+ weeks to kick in (longer for treating OCD). And I feel kind of retarded now after I stopped taking them. However, my retardation probably was caused by other things, like weed and acid.

Do not smoke weed on SSRIs.

Before I took SSRI, I was ready to stab some motherfucker at work.

Time off + SSRI, and i'm 100% more chill. However, different medicines can have different side effects. One I took made me feel ill as fuck, really deathly ill. Another made me feel like throwing up constantly. Found one that has none so far, so yeah, it worked for me.

Placebo or not, it had the desired effect.

>>130208178

Terrible shit for 99% of society, needed by few but taken by many.

Stay away at all costs, try anything non-prescription first, I found that 1500mg of Acetyl-L-Carnitine daily did FAR more to boost my mood and reduce depression than any antidepressant ever did.

>>130208582

True that. My sex drive took a fucking dive. Also...brain damage? Probababababably. No evidence so far cunt fuck shit.

>>130208640
100% correct

>>130208963
hey retard, guess (((who))) decides which evidence is legally allowed to be published?

this shit is why goyim simply dont deserve to exist.

Don't fuck up your brain chemistry, just don't.

I fucked with Tramadol for a while which has weak SSRI effects and all of a sudden got horrible panic attacks/anxiety etc.

It took like 20 days to feel normal again.

Whole Foods and Exercise are what you need.

>>130208509
There's probably one out there that can help everyone (still with side effects), but who wants to try so many?
>>130208582
This is true when taken long term. I doubt a year or less of Paxil does much long term damage. If any probably a very light amount of damage.
>>130208640
Yes they are given out like candy. Non-quacks will require 1 or 2 witnesses to account for your behavior over the past 2 or more years before diagnosing you. Most are quacks.
>>130208704
Meds have helped me get myself together, and once you're functional the side effects are often unbearable.
>>130208961
SSRI's can be really dangerous for certain people especially who are on any sort of (((bi-polar))) spectrum. I know bi-polar is a bit of a meme, but there are some people who will go suicidal or homicidal within a week of taking SSRI's and won't have those side effects on drugs approved for bi-polar. These drugs should not be given so easily to people.
>>130208963
If your hormones are fucked with at all sex drive generally plummets. Just gaining weight does that, so that's one huge reason out of a few others they put everyone in rehab facilities (some are dual for mental illness shit) on them asap.

>dead sex drive
>liver problems
>headaches
What else?
Also shaky hands, anyone got this one? I heard it was common.

>>130209636
What are you on or referring to?

>>130209636
many pharmaceuticals have a large amount of fluoride in them to allow the active ingredient to cross the blood-brain barrier more effectively.

this has negative side effects.

>>130209754
SSRI side effects, most of them kick in before the "good" stuff.

>>130209563
Agreed with you on bipolar disorder. Had a friend who was given SSRIs for depression when she actually had bipolar, and it made her suicidal and crazy. Lithium is what bipolars need, not SSRIs.

>>130209869
I've only ever experienced suicidal thoughts and borderline voices from an SSRI. SNRI was okay probably lower sex drive but nothing else noticeable.

Been on SSRI for 10 years, they dull the pain of existance

>>130210087
I did okay with SNRI effexor with lamictal. I'm off of everything right now but we'll see. Lifestyle makes a huge difference. Bi-polars are easily sent into spiral reactions, and I have to keep my lifestyle very steady. Even caffeine can cause issues.

>>130208178
Basically ruined my boyfriend's sex drive when he took them and for a few weeks after he switched to something else. Probably a lot of (((chosen people))) behind their development.

>>130208178
Paxil has been pretty fucking great for me, no sex drive problems, infact I feel more energetic and more able to have sex now. I do have to pay more attention to my eating habits though because it's been making me binge eat. The first two I tried made me loopy but paxils been really good I'm glad I'm taking it.

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>>130208349
And this is the result for treating major depression with SSRIs.

>>130208178
In 99.99% of cases they're not helping you (other than placebo effect). It's a scam for pharma companies yto make money.

>>130210472
You really can't reasonable expect to take drugs that mess with your hormones not to also mess with your sex drive. It's unfortunate. I genuinely think that many to most people with depression and bi-polar would be okay if they were living pre-industrial revolution. Modern jobs, modern food, modern sleep patters, artificial light, drugs, less physical activity, and more are things that depressed and bi-polar people are more sensitive to.
>>130210812
Paxil is one of the least bad from what I've heard but that weight gain is the biggest issue. You could always try to counter your appetite with natural things like eating spicy shit, kartom (leaf but I think it got scheduled), or drinking water mixed with fiber especially glucomannan powder. Caffeine and drugs sold for "weight loss" also can legitimately help a bit with the appetite but aren't great if you have sleep issues.

>>130208178
Im on Zoloft, works wonders.

>>130210969
Except when you actually look at the studies, you find that the vast majority are funded by the pharma industry, and their methodology is decepyive and/or data is purposefully misrepresented.

it's a crutch

not a permanent solution. i mean obviously you can take them for the rest of your life, but do you really want to?

SSRIs put holes in your brain. I guess life is better when you become retarded.

The chemical form of 'go play outside'.

>>130208178
If you actually have clinical depression it's a chemical imbalance in your brain and some medications can help rebalance those chemicals.

If you are just sad or under the weather or w/e they won't help much.

As for side effects, I take 20mg of Lexapro a day (escitalopram) and don't have any side effects. Have for a while though so short term people may have them.

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>>130208178
They make you numb to existential pain, and numb to happiness, and numb to motivation to do anything other than a mere subsistence level existence

They turn off your humanity permanently, even after discontinuation

Do not do these things

>>130208178
SSRIs are basically like trying to hammer a nail into a bullseye on a steak with a jackhammer. They have extreme safety profile concerns that way, way too many doctors blatantly ignore when prescribing them for mild to moderate depression. The other side is that severe depression has an extremely high correlation with suicide and so if your focus is on keeping a very suicidal patient alive in the near-future SSRIs can definitely be part of the treatment plan and you can kind of ignore safety profile concerns with a patient at high risk of dying without treatment.

They should not be viewed as a crutch to get you through daily life better however, but a keep-alive medicine for deeply suicidal people who are likely already inpatients or just one step away from that edge.

It's a very murky issue prescribing them to anyone who has a dual diagnosis (drug abuse as well as mental problems) as well since such a big part of the problem is getting the patient clean for a good while so you can work out what are mental issues and what is the patient being intoxicated.

There's a clear (((agenda))) behind the overprescription of SSRIS also, which is that a primary effect of SSRIs is they make it difficult to think critically and to think with a clear train of thought for a long period of time. For extremely suicidal people who can't do anything but think about how they want to die this is a godsend because just a brief break from that mindset can make you feel amazing and not want to die anymore, but for the general population it's just going to make you a little more stupid and content with that as well.

This is talking specifically about SSRIs too not SNRIs or other anti-depressants.

Something pretty troubling for me personally is that nearly all SSRIs contain some halogen element which nearly all other anti-depressants don't and SSRIs also remain in the brain far longer. I'm concerned of potentially low-level neurotoxic effects w/ metabolites.

>>130211826
You use them for a short time in conjunction with therapy and then you are weened down. How do people not know this?

>>130211826
>it's a crutch
>not a permanent solution
that's only true for people that don't have clinical depression which is a physiological illness.

People that have moderate CD may be able to go on and off them as long as they keep up other healthy habits like frequent exercise, sunlight exposure, limit drinking and drugs etc.

People with severe CD may need to take them their entire life even with maintaining other healthy habits.

>you can take them for the rest of your life, but do you really want to?
If you have severe CD there really isn't a downside. I pay 8 bucks a month and don't have side effects but again, some people probably don't need to but do anyway.

>>130212584
Shitposting or not this feels way too accurate.

>>130208178
Just take St. John's Wort. It's like a mild antidepressant without the side effects

>>130208178
I'm on Zoloft. My doctor upped my dosage 4 times in two months.

I noticed maybe a 10% improvement in stress reduction but I still fucking hate life and want to die.

It was also supposed to help with OCD- didn't notice an effect at all

Anything but placebo. They permanently fuck up your brain.

>>130212719
Passionflower and several other natural things can be good too. It depends on how mentally fucked up someone is though.

>>130212584
>They make you numb to existential pain, and numb to happiness, and numb to motivation to do anything other than a mere subsistence level existence
>They turn off your humanity permanently, even after discontinuation
none of these things are true
>>130212601
you sound like you've given the issue a lot of thought but actually don't have much experience with those people. If otherwise I worry for those people.

>>130212846
That makes sense, because you usually titrate up at first either every week or two.

>>130208582
i took lexapro when i was 16 my dick doesnt work now at 22

Oh one cool tip about Cymbalta actually that I learned from a porn actor.

If you open up a Cymbalta pill it's full of all these tiny beads, maybe 100 beads per pill. Put 2 or 3 on your tongue and let them dissolve 30 minutes or so before sex and it will give you a lot more control over when you cum. You can go from being a near premature ejaculator to being able to fuck for an hour and a half.

>>130212846
>I'm on Zoloft. My doctor upped my dosage 4 times in two months.
>I noticed maybe a 10% improvement in stress reduction but I still fucking hate life and want to die.
either you need to try another medication or the drugs are not your problem. I'm betting the latter.

>>130213013
1st I'm not an expert so I could be way off... but I don't think that was lexapro lol. You probably just have a shitty dick.

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I tried them and honestly felt an improvement in anxiety and mild depression (could have been placebo) but could not ejaculate on any SSRI. That was a total deal killer for me. I produce copious, almost Peter North, quantities of baby batter and I get a heavy, uncomfortable feeling from the lower abdomen to groin when I can't "release" for a few days. I seriously worry something night 'splode down there if I can't and sleep becomes impossible by day five. What do impotent & paralyzed men do if they can't void the batter?

>>130212719

Saint John's Wort just made me groggy and sensitive to sunlight.

Kratom on the other hand has done wonders helping me get my shit back together. It took awhile to figure out which strains and which doses worked best, however.

>>130208582
>>130208582
>it gives you permanent brain damage which makes you ok with living an unhappy life
THIS

watched a friend of mine in high school go from justifiable sad/angry about their crap family to a smiling robot.

>>130208178
I took Zoloft (setraline) for a few years.

For me they had an effect of making me immune to negative stimuli. Everyone in my life could call me a shit-head and it wouldn't ruin my day.

Plus I also became very high-energy, social, charming, flirted with nearly every girl, constantly was center of attention and it all felt like a game to me. I'm not normally like that at all.

You grow a tolerance and it eventually wears off though, but I think it's good to experience so you have a reference for what an extremely positive mindset feels like. The better long term solutions are diet, exercise, and forcing yourself to develop good social skills through practice.

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>>130208178
SSRIs made me ill as fuck. One gave me intense diarrhoea for like 2 weeks, the next one I tried made me throw up loads. The last one I tried made me have super intrusive suicidal thoughts & urges. Stopped taking any/all meds after that.

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>>130208582
this. it also motivates you to do the wrong thing.

i.e over 80% of mass killers are on some sort of SSRI or mind altering drug. normally they'd sit home and stay depressed until something changes, this SSRI allows them to be motivated enough to either commit suicide or mass murder.

those things are so fucking evil and I am ashamed as an American how widespread they're used here.

>>130213203
some people have that issue with some drugs and not others. I'd say switch if it is that bad or if none of the others work for your depression, you gotta stay on them for a while and the side effects should mitigate over time.

>>130213365
cites nothing
>>130213308
the fuck dude, that doesn't sound like SSRI. The hell else were you doing?

>>130208509
Agreed. I'm one of those people that they work miracles for. I've been diagnosed with moderate to severe depression since age 12. I must have lost a genetic lottery or something because it's not normal for a 12 year old kid to want to kill themself. I'm 27 now and I've found a dosage and combination that works for me, and goddamn is it relieving to finally after over a decade of therapy, meds and hospitalizations to just function like a normal everyday person. It's not without side effects (like I seem to only have about three emotions, which honestly isn't that bad) but I find the benifits outweigh the negative.

>>130213308
>>130213643
I've never heard of the first two things, but there are people (like me) who will get suicidal thoughts from SSRIs that are nearly voice in your head level.

>>130212994
>implying you can't prescribe drugs other than SSRIs which work better in most cases.

anti-depressants aren't vitamins man. the correct the chemical imbalance theory is a meme. every class of anti-depressants has effective drugs and dangerous drugs in it but SSRIs are a good deal more dangerous than many other anti-depressants. I get that a lot of people think all anti-depressants are SSRIs or SSRIs are the best anti-depressants but that's from (((media))) meme coverage.

>>130210181
They dull everything which is the problem in the long term.

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modern society is so unnatural for men to be a wage slave that you have to take unnatural chemicals to be able to handle it

thousands of years no SSRIs but some dudes in a laboratory in modern year know whats right for your brain

hahahahahahahhahaha

>>130213675
Maybe you are experience what life is like as a nigger. I'm pretty sure they are just happy, sad, or nigger rage.

>>130213675
I feel ya brother. When I finally got the rid med and dosage it was like a fucking weight off my soul. I don't have the three emotions thing but w/e

Frequently I hear people go off about drugs and shit and they have no idea what it's like to be so empty that suicide seems to be a viable option.

>>130213203
Not being able to cum is terrible, you can go for hours and nothing and for what I saw this isn't "super awesome" for most girls.

>>130213675
>like I seem to only have about three emotions
which ones?

just go to the gym. this is what doctors say but people just ignore it because they're lazy. life isn't supposed to be fun and easy all the time. no idea where people get this expectation. i'd really feel like a disgrace knowing that i have to take pills just to be a man

>>130213643
>>130213308
diarrhoea is kinda common I think, I got it too.

>>130213771
that is a side effect they mention. Sucks that happened man, sorry.
>>130213788
I never said they were vitamins, in fact I dunno wtf that even means, and the chemical imbalance is not a meme.


I see you really have no idea what you are talking about. Learn some new words other than meme too.

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>>130208178
It works, but all it does is put the demon in a cage. It's better to live without it. Better to live a free person with your demons than to chain yourself up with them.

>>130213844
Well yeah modern society is fucked

They get prescribed FAR too easily, and become a crutch very quickly. Be cautious of anti-depressants and sleeping pills, they're both very likely to fuck you up

>>130214147
exercise is proven to reduce the occurrence of hallucinations in schizophrenics. basically the most extreme mental health symptom is improved by exercise. I tell this to people with mild to moderate depression all the time who don't exercise or even get sunlight much and they still want the pills. Thanks to (((ad agencies and television))).

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>>130214270
+1 since i was a little boy they wanted to put me on drugs

i just refuse,refuse,refuse

i would rather die than alter my brain

its a very soulless thing to do

>>130214406
you forgot pain medication.

I agree SSRI are over prescribed but sleeping pills and opiates are on another level of danger from SSRI.

>>130213999
>you can go for hours and nothing and for what I saw this isn't "super awesome" for most girls

Yep. They like to go cowgirl on you for about ten minutes but that's it. They feel self-conscious if they can't get you there and you have indescribably bad blue balls afterward. There's no positives about not being able ejaculate. I admire the no fap movement on /pol/ but I could never do it.

Don't ever touch this shit. It's almost as if anxiety and depression exist for a reason. It's part of being human and serves a purpose. It would be extremely naive and stupid to believe our ancestors did not feel like we do. Taking a pill won't fix that, just create a butterfly effect of different problems.

These are literally the blue pills you were warned about.
Been on sertraline, venalafaxine, Paroxatine, fluoxatine, duloxetine and mitrazipene. Every one basically left me numb to the problems in mylife; stripped away any kind of happiness and left me completely unmotivated. The docs went nuts at me for going cold turkey off these but it was probably the best thing I could have done.
Ditch the drugs get the heavy carbs out of your diet and get some outdoor activities on the go. Exercise your brain and body properly. Read classics/philosophy and take control of your life. It will serve you mich better in the long run.

I would encourage anyone with depression to at least try Cognitive Behavioural therapy first. It's as effective as anti-depressants, no side effects, and the skills learnt can be potentially utilised for the rest of your life.

They cut off low and high moods for many people. Depression exists for a reason- it's natures way of telling you to change. SSRIs make you content with suckage. They CAN help in short duration but it's a very tricky line. They can help by squelching the deep sadness that prevents one from making positive change. But they can also make one ok with current situation.

I think they're mostly harmful. It's the social breakdown and lack of meaning that's the issue. A pill can't substitute. Yes, a bunch if contradictory info but it's all the truth.

>>130214536
most girls end up dead after 20 minutes too, so unless you are in decent shape don't expect them to keep doing anything.

>>130208178
SSRI's aren't good anon. When I was younger I took an SSRI. It made me say things I wouldn't normally say. It basically removed my filter. I ended up telling off my boss and losing my job. If you're depressed deal with it through therapy or something like that. Don't resort to drugs made by (((pharmaceutical))) companies.

>>130214244
your entire argument throughout this thread is some people cannot have a good quality of life without SSRIs. my argument is that is a ridiculous idea, you are basically equating SSRIs for those people to vitamins. and you completely ignore the dozens of effective anti-depressants that aren't SSRIs. at this point I'm actually suspecting you're a rep for forest pharmaceuticals or something lmfao. are you actually trying to have a conversation about the effects of drugs or are you just shilling for an SSRI maker? most SSRIs are old drugs, approaching 2 decades old or older, they were crude tools then and they're still crude tools now.

>>130214536
Also true from my experience

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>>130214994
>>130214974
>>130214536
normy problems

nobody cares about your sex life

>>130214270
This

>exercise
>ease off porn consumption
>eat better
>go the fuck to bed
>get the fuck out of bed, don't lay down all day
>at least once a day get some sunlight indirectly hitting the back of your retinas for at least 5 minutes
>and possibly the most overrated thing is cut toxic people out of your life as much as possible

also accepting that suffering and death are the only two universal things amongst all living creatures. most everyone runs from their pain instead of choosing an alternative way.

Tried several different kinds over the course of a year. They all gave me worse symptoms or side effects except one. The best one I found basically did nothing, no side effects but no improvement either. Still gave me awful headaches when weening off of it though.

I'm still have depression and anxiety, but at least I want to kill myself at some indeterminate point in the future now instead of tomorrow.

>>130213999
>>130214536
It depends really, I've been on zoloft for about 8 months and its done nothing to my libido. I still fap 1 or twice a day.

>>130215172
whoops meant to say
*underrated

>>130208178
take beta blockers instead of ssris

>>130214965
pretty much

i won't speculate how pure the intentions of those who created these drugs, and the ones who push them, but if anything they treat a symptom and not the root cause of the problem. and a widespread societal problem at that

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God saves the despairing and gives the despairing rest

If youre a happy person and you have a great life i would be deadly afraid

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

>>130215333
why the fuck are you on that shit for 8 months? dude it's ok to be sad or whatever. if you really wanted to do something extreme you wouldn't have gone to a doctor in the first place. just cope with it. whatever your reason is, and however much you want to embellish it online, pretend you're explaining it to one of your male ancestors

>that feel when you are stripped away of emotions
anyone else remember this feels?
It does feels like a limbo

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>>130208178
serotonin syndrom is the shit yo brain zaps so kewl

>>130211621
Zoloft gave me suicidal and borderline homocidal thoughts within 4 days with kind of voices telling my to kill myself by swerving into people/the road. Got myself home safely and stopped taking it.
>>130211664
>>130211826
Yeah they'll be biased and these drugs should really be seen as a crutch/temp thing.
>>130211861
Haven't heard that but they are pretty shitty, but to get such awful damage you generally have to take them long term as in several years.
>>130212095
>>130212095
see >>130211460
>>130212288
Same as Paxil and is more mild than many but not good for everyone.
>>130212584
>>130212601
I think certain drugs do this to certain people, but when people have legitimate issues (drugs should be temp imo mind you) the right drugs from a non-quack should do this or will switch you off. I've never experienced numbness from feeling or fewer feelings.
>>130212635
Yes but lots of people see quacks or are just not intelligent
>>130212719
Again for anons reading there is St. John's Wart, Passionflower, Kratom, Lemon Balm, Skullcap, Valerian, and more. It depends on what you're experiencing on the spectrum of anxiety to depression to bipolar to psychotic though.
>>130213134
You can also be prescribed dick meds if you have bad circulation. Just throwing that out there for anons who are desperate for dick meds.
>>130213256
I hope that "recovering" from pharma meds is like recovering from drugs. I'm off them now, and I really couldn't have avoided it because I was about to be 5150-ed if I didn't voluntarily go through with everything. I don't have the same hope, dreams, and aspirations that I used to. I just don't care much more than being able to afford a safe place where I can shut myself in most of the time. I was NEVER like that, but also, I'm always consciously living in a way that won't throw me into mania or depression. Hopefully over time without being on meds I get back to a more normal level.

>>130213999
Yea I had delayed orgasms as well. Had trouble keeping an erection in general. I could only get it to like 75% of normal hardness at most, and it took the hottest dirtiest porn that would normally make me diamonds to get that far.

>>130215750
Is that a long time? I only take the 50 mg pills and it has helped tremendously.

>>130214040
Contentment (I can laugh at jokes without it being forced, enjoy my hobbies and job. I don't really get feelings of excitement or joy really anymore.)

Anger (ranges from annoyance to yelling obsenities at someone. I don't feel rage like I use to, and I don't get physically violent. I've actually found that more things annoy me now because I'm able to focus much better.)

Indifference (Not really sure this counts as an emotion but it's my default state. Just a pleasant zen in which I talk very monotone and it's really hard to get any kind of response out of me that's not incredibly straight forward and to the point)

That's pretty much it. I'm either content, angry or nothing.

>>130208178
I'd trust decades of clinical trials and the word of the majority of professionally trained medical professionals over some crackpot dipshit on /pol/ and so should you.

>>130208473
This though. Drugs are there to help the chemical imbalance. Therapy and learning to manage any effects left over are important too, which is something burgers like us seem to forget far too often.

>>130212584
People without empathy have no empathy, whether or not they're on anti-depressants. SSRIs helped me have the drive to get a job, to try to better myself as a person, and to once again care about living, getting out, and enjoying my life.

>>130213203
This is the only side effect that annoys me, yeah. I've managed to get past it though by just focusing on shit that really revs my motor instead of half-assing my jerkoffs.

>>130208178
They only treat the symptoms. SSRIs are forced through trials. I don't remember the specific requirements, but I know that they can repeat trials as many times as it takes to put the medication on the market.

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des·pair·ing
adjective: despairing
showing the loss of all hope.

>>130216146
>chemical imbalance

meme science

depression = your life sucks

all environmental

They are shit. Dont take them. They turn you into a zombie, kill your sex drive, and increase the risk of a brain hemorrhage, not to mention nearly all of those school shooters were on them.

Instead do the following
>work out at least thrice a week
>cut out fast and processed food
>take liquid vitamin D and B12 supplement as well as a multivitamin
>stop watching porn

My condition improved greatly since i started taking SNRI (velaxin). I can now sleep at nights dont have anxiety spikes in random moments, don't feel existential dread every weekend, dont get recalls about me acting awkward 5 years ago etc. The only side effect I got was excessive yawning for a week.

>>130215949
seems like it to me dude. like at some point you have to ask if this is something you feel like you need to be on for another 8mo, then another, then another. i mean, that can't be right. this is an entirely new phenomenon too, and i think it's because nobody tells you that life is not supposed to be fun and easy all the time. just be happy with what you've got and stop giving a shit. i don't know. it's not my business. but this topic in particular really gets me going for some reason.

>>130216103
creepy desu

>>130208349
>It's not a placebo if it's literally been studied vs placebo in a valid clinical trial
http://jeffreydachmd.com/2014/06/ssri-antidepressants-better-placebo-says-jama/

>>130213293
Fucking lol sounds like it put you into a kind of hypo-manic state which is great if you don't crash.
>>130213378
This. It takes minimum one to two months for these drugs to BEGIN their full effects.
>>130213788
So many others out there. It's important to think and research for yourself, but so many people just pop whatever in their mouths.
>>130213810
My head was so out of control that they brought me down to a normal range of emotion/thoughts/existence. If you're not that out of control then they will probably numb you down to a shitty place.
>>130213936
I know what it's like, and there's a point where you don't mind the side effects. Existing is so fucking painful (for no reason in my case mind you) that I began banging/smashing my head on the corners of walls to make it stop.
t. went to a hospital
>>130214147
This is probably what most people need since most aren't in the mentally ill beyond normal help class.
>>130214244
It's cause I'm bipolar and I stupidly took my MILs script cause she gave it to me to try. Oops, go to doctors even if lots are ((())).

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>>130216622
im so proud of you for finding the chemical your brain needed all along it only took thousands of years for it to show up on the market

they must have had it all wrong before

>>130216622
see i get all this shit too. it's normal. you don't have anything wrong with you!! maybe you hate your job, maybe you've got some things going on that don't jive with you. the anxiety is there to help you realize that. knocking it out with some drugs and throwing cash down at a pharmacy counter doesn't make those things go away, it just takes the batteries out of your alarm for them

>>130216430
Breaking down depression into "your life sucks" just shows you know exactly jack shit.

>>130216629
Believe me, I know life is struggle. Its supposed to be. It doesn't make me feel any different from normal, its just that now I can think with some clarity and take events in a realistic and down to earth manner. Also it hasn't made me into a zombie like most people, my emotions are still all the same.

Is there a consensus on Vyvanse? I have adhd, depression and anxiety and I'm terrified or ssri's but I've heard vyvanse helps with all of it and makes it easier to talk to people etc

Thoughts?

>>130213365
the problem is when these guys stop takingthe SSRIs. Getting on them is bad and getting off them makes you psychotic

>>130216622
You probably mean venlafaxine (effexor), but man, if those were your issues you should not be on that. You should just be taking some valerian, skullcap, catnip, lemon balm, chamomile, kratom, st johns, passion flower, or whatever else. Just not a pharma. Look into those, they are natural and help minor things. Valerian by the way is what valium is made from, so in its natural form, it's pretty decent.

>>130217366
maybe you are in zombie mode without realizing it?

You know the shills are out in force when this many people support SSRIs, the literal blue pill

>>130217396
You've not taken Vyvanse?

Holy shit, it is extremely powerful and has nothing to do with SSRIs

Prepare to be suave as fuck, full of incredible energy and inspiration/motivation, and you will be hornier than you ever thought possible. You cannot fathom how horny you will get. I sat on my bedpost while jerking off and pinching my nipples moaning "fuck me, fuck me, fuck me" - and I'm not even gay.

Flame me all you want, you've been warned.

>>130217455
All I can say on this subject is that while I've experience shitty symptoms getting off stuff, I've never had what people describe online. Getting of SNRIs (effexor/venlafaxine) gave me like 3-4 days of brain zaps and that's in. Getting off seroquel was like 3-4 days of getting off heroin (from what I read but it was super shitty) but it wasn't something that I couldn't get off. I had to take a half day off with seroquel and that time actually was because my script was late b a day.

>>130217366
yeah but what i'm driving at is that i think you should try getting off them. maybe you've solved this. you won't know as long as you stay on them. life is very short and a lot can change in 8 months.

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>>130217169
i have depression and anxiety professionally diagnosed for like 10 years

i live with it and suffer cuz im not a soulless robot

id rather face the consequences of being a neet with no friends my whole life than ever take pills till im dead thats the one thing i never compromise on because i have a consciousness worth preserving and not changing it

the only thing we have

you dont seem to care too much about it

>>130208178
basically turns you into a zombie. Redpilled people should not be taking prescription medication that is intended to treat anxiety or depression

>>130208178
I think they are for weak ppl

>>130217396
I've taken vyvanse and I see it as I see the rest. Temporary. You don't want to get hooked and also there is some other drug, I don't recall, that is for add/adhd that isn't an amphetamine.

Why aren't you taking your SSRI's goyim? Don't you want to be happy?

>>130217675
Yeah I know it's not an ssri, that's why I'm interested in it

I can't tell if you're fucking with me but that sounds pretty awesome. Does it fuck with your brain long term like antidepressants?

>>130217848
>>130217866
I don't see an issue for people like me who were pretty much at the point of you will voluntarily commit yourself or we'll do it. But there should always be a goal of weaning off and living normally again,

>>130217493
Valerian doesn't do shit. Kratom is illegal here and hard to find.

>>130216792
It's really not that bad. I mean it's nowhere near ideal. I'm positive I have some kind of brain damage from a decade of brain chemical altering drugs, but compared to the stories I've heard from other people, I fucking got off easy.

And just for the record, I don't rely just on meds. I practice CBT techniques and lead a decently healthy life. I have a job that I work 5am to 2pm, 40 hour weeks, that challenges my brain as well as my physical strength. I also take some of the vitamin supplements mentioned in the thread (mostly D and magnesium with B12 every so often). Also I have no sexual issues except that I'm not getting any right now.

>>130217835
tin we need yu at 162

>>130217835
I understand not wanting to fuck with your mind. But I also suppose you did not actually exhaust any natural methods of getting better, e.g. sports, meditation, occupying your mind with learning. Sounds like a meme, but it isn't.

Also, about what don't I care much about?

>>130218145
It's like taking pharma coke or meth desu. It feels REALLY good, and you'll get all kinds of shit done. You won't feel hunger, you'll be social, you won't be tired, and you won't be sad. It sounds awesome, but if you do go on it, don't stay on it for long term. You'll destroy yourself.

>>130218273
Every natural remedy depends on the person. When it comes to things for sleep almost nothing helps me and I have to deal with it. Coastline kraton dot com doesn't shit to you? Is it totally illegal in your country?

>>130218298
DBT where its at yo

>>130217835
TINNY COME BACK AND POST YOUR CUTE YOUTUBE VIDEOS

From my experience, I think the end game for people diagnosed chronically ill are either MAOI inhibitors, TMS, ECT, or small controlled doses of magic mushrooms. Also should be supplemented with stable and clean diet, keeping the processed Jew out of the body, and regular exercise. Discipline isn't something you forge from free-will, if you are mentally ill. It will fall into you lap at the flip of a switch the very second your brain chemistry is corrected.

>>130217835
tinster you should probably just end your life now

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>>130218187
in my opinion youre more of a respectable human being if you just outright kill yourself than become a robot eating happy pills its like selling your soul

atleast when you go out you can say i never gave into this satanic pills
>>130218348
its called not getting better

trying to pump yourself up with drugs to conform to the world system so you can function in this crazy world

is not getting better its making you a drone

youre more respectable if you just go through the pain

>>130218315
brt 1 min

>>130218018
Psylocibin microdoses for the win.

>>130218487
Heroin tier illegal.

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>>130213643
>>130213771
>>130214169
Yeah it's pretty messed up I got such severe side effects. Even my doctor was like "okay obviously these drugs are not for you at all" even though my condition was really bad at the time & I kind of needed them to work.

>>130213233
>Kratom on the other hand has done wonders helping me get my shit back together. It took awhile to figure out which strains and which doses worked best, however.

more details, please.

>>130218622
bring your vids or dont come at all

>>130218622
Well I'm okay now and it was about 1 year of intense meds to lower and lower doses, and I wasn't about to be involuntarily committed. I'm doing pretty good now except being a loser on /pol/.

>>130218348
the guy you're talking to cant do sports because he gave himself diabetes from binging on candy and gatorade all day lol

>>130218743
WAH! I think the USA just did that too. I have a huge amount here that I ordered over a year ago. Like a $300 order.

>>130218622
Becoming robot is a meme. Depressed people dont feel a wide range of emotions to begin with

Actual British psychotherapist here. They have their uses.
Not going to solve anything long term (but are necessary in this capacity for a minority of people) but they can level you out to help with daily functioning, sleep, engaging with therapy in order to change the shit you need to etc.

How they affect you is so completely individual you can safely ignore everyone else's experience, you won't know if it works for you until you take it. One person takes Citalopram and is wretching over the loo within 30 minutes, the other never has any side effects, you just don't know.

Sometimes they are just necessary though. If you've got someone so GAD'y they can't even give an opinion on the colour of my office carpet, or can't watch TV because not knowing what will happen next causes panic attacks, therapy isn't going to be as effective without medication as it is with it.

>>130218566
THC/CBE oil all you need to cure cancer and feel great if you are stuck in radiation treatment. I agree small doses of magic mushrooms can be good too.

>>130218755
You might be real bipolar.

>>130218727
Shrooms just make you dumb. I rather od on zoloft.

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>>130214492
>>130215079
>>130216430
>>130216863
>>130217835
>>130218622
This is what a race traitor looks like

>>130218774
It's awesome, mimic opiates, stimulants, benzos/anxiety, sleep, and "highs" drugs all at different amounts with different strains but it go scheduled in the US in sept 2016 ( i think). Sucks for yo, I have a good few years stored up already in my home.

>>130215172

Underrated post

Welbutrin and other cathinones are far better.

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>>130218799
>involuntarily committed.

see how fucked up this world is wanting to involuntarily commit someone to somewhere

its normal to be depressed , if youre not depressed in this world theres something wrong with you see >>130215604


>>130218923
i wasnt talking about just becoming biologically robot

but like the act of taking an SSRI or any drugs just prove you have no soul or consciousness because you wouldnt be able to put that into your brain knowing full well its an unnatural alteration

>>130208178
Ssris work by increasing neuroplasticity. You can combine it with therapy and introspection to make someone rapidly change their fucked up thinking patterns and negative feedback loops so they can begin to sort their life out. You build a tolerance after 6 months though and they lower testosterone levels so are not a long term solution

>>130208178
I side with the temporary solution - when desperate measures are needed.

When the mind is a wreck, any type of drug can help, be it alcohol, weed, heroin or SSRI.
The only question is how bad the side effects will be.

When it's really bad I rather recommend massive psychotherapy and even oddball shit like acupuncture (focus one relaxation) to add both physical and placebo effect.

Any drug, pharmacy pill-pushing included, is basically like playing Russian roulette with your body.
The adverse effects will get you sooner or later, even if it takes many years for some, while others start needing more meds to counter the negative already after 6 months.

No matter what kills you, like depression from meds, big pharma can never be responsible because "you were already ill".
That's what makes SSRI and similar pills such a great way to make money.

>>130208178

I was having heart palpitations for a few days so I went to the hospital to get checked out.
They did a bunch of shit and figured out there was nothing wrong with me.
Which I was glad. But the nurse started to inject me with something in the middle of telling me about it. Vicoden? Think it was that.
Said, " No get it out...don't want any of that. " and had to explain to her I don't want anything that adjusts my brain chemistry thanks. That's the only medicine they tried to give me. For anxiety. Said absolutely not.
Anyways that's about how I feel about that.

>>130218928

How often do you see people with "fake" depression and anxiety?

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>>130218934
Could be, I have a few of the symptoms. Been in therapy for close to 2 years now & my psychiatrist has booked me in for a full autism evaluation lol I'm not sure they know what to do with me I'm that fucked up.

>>130219159
Dude I was making suicide plans and bashing my head in the walls and unable to even shower. I was fucked up but I do blame modern life. I have to eat very healthy, little sugar, sleep right, not have much if at all caffeine, no drugs aside from maybe the occasional melatonin or valerian, take walks, listen to calming music, reduce TV/screen time, get good natural light, avoid artificial light. I mean it's stuff that makes sense for everyone, but I think some people are just more sensitive. Forget corssing timezones. Kill me. I also can't poop for like a week but now I know to take 2 laxitives, 2 gas X and 2 waterpills when I get on a plane.

>>130209548
this

>>130217551
I live with my parents, and see my brother regularly. If I was in zombie mode they'd tell me. My brother didn't even know I was on zoloft until months after I started taking them.

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>Everyone just keeps talking about SSRIS
>Not realizing there are dozens of other classes of antidepressants
>a shit ton of the people in this thread who admit to not wanting to take them also admit to being NEETs

I see.

>PEOPLE IN THE PAST NEVER HAD THESE CHEMICAL IMBALANCES
Depression existed, they just treated it with more drug abuse than we did. (alcohol, opium) Look into the lives of at a shit ton of great artists and realize they were depressed as fuck and only created while they were strung out on shit or they created as a way to dissassociate.

No one really cared if you killed yourself. In fact suicide was extremely common in Europe before the church outlawed it.

If you did have a chemical imbalance you drank, you shot up, or you killed yourself.

Also this is a retarded argument considering that people used leeches to cure the flu and thought flies came out of dead meat for centuries. Yeah, real realiable medical science there from the people who lived until they were 40 if they were lucky.

>LOL SCHOOL SHOOTERS WERE ON SSRIS

Treating psychotic behaviors with antidepressants instead of antipsychotics doesn't work. Who'd of thought?

i tried one type of anti depressant and it made it impossible for me to cum. i would get horny and try and jerk off but the cum just wouldnt come. I got so horny i actually went to 7-11 and bought a porno mag because my internet was down and i wanted some porn to see if i could cum from jerking off. I started getting a lot more interested in fat girls as well, my standards dropped pretty far.

I think the drugs helped me a bit as i no longer had social anxiety before but they did all that plus the above and more including making me nasueas and i went off them. I am actually considering doing an anti depressant again because my stomache issues are completly disrupting my life now and doctor says it is a weird problem because tests dont show anything wrong with me so it must be anxiety related. I went to a naturopath and they did some sort of heartrate test and he said it looks like my body is physically stressed to the near limmit but my emotional stress was fine,
So im on a diet of like 80% vegetables or so sort of like this https://drknews.com/autoimmune-gut-repair-diet/

im hoping if i stick to the diet and exercise i will get better without an ssri.

>>130218187
No you needed to hit rock bottom or kill yourself. Now you will just muddle along

>>130219526
I really good test is what happens when you cross time zones. If you get super sick and terrible jet lag that's an indicator of bipolar. Does caffeine or other stimulants throw you into hyper drive? Do you cut other people off and go on tangents? That might just be mania rather than autism. Do you go into depressions and feel incapable of communicating with anyone? Is it up and down? -disclaimer drugs aren't necessarily a fix

>>130217802
You're absolutely right, I was planning on coming off them after this summer semester anyway.

>>130219894
Philosophically should people like that just kill themselves? Oh yeah. But when faced with the decision usually defense mechanisms kick in, so you end up with people getting put on drugs and institutionalized.

>>130219851
>I started getting a lot more interested in fat girls as well, my standards dropped pretty far.
Holy shit everyone abort meds asap

>be depressed
>feel nothing
>take SSRIs
>still feel nothing
>four prescriptions later and no difference

I must have one mean son of a bitch form of depression.

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>>130219564
ive felt those feels too

feeling of wanting to bash ur head in

for me it was because i lived in the same house as people who didnt want me

>>130219824
Smart man. I like the cut of that jibsail m8.
You seem to understand psychology/pharmacology. Are you in training?

Also holy fucking shit

>Taking medical advice from 4chan
>ever

Stop.

>B-b-b-b-b-UT BIG PHARMA!!!
Yeah big pharma is disgusting but most medications have generics. Yeah few bucks a month to pay for 30 pills that cost them a cent to make and you four cents is unbearable, right? You literally pay more for one cup of coffee.

Another reason why humans are so anxious/depressed is because we don't sleep the way we're supposed to.

The natural human sleep cycle is
>sleep for four hours
>wake up
>stay awake for 1-2 hours
>go back to sleep for 4 hours

It was done away with during the industrial revolution. Google "the second sleep."

Apparently during the 1-2 hours of wakefulness people would either pray, have sex, socialize or have a very light snack (tea and biscuit).

Psilocybin has its place as well. Really shake you out of your typical thought loops.

>>130220197
Aw anon I'm sorry. Mine wanted me but most have died. Oppression olympics, go!

>>130220151
hey guy i am normaly just totaly repulsed by fat people ok? i cant help it. maybe its because my fat friend stole my n64 mischief makers game i dont know.

>>130220179
It's called bitchboy memeression. Go out and fix yourself you fucking autist

>>130212601
>Underrated post

Addendum regarding (((agenda))): Pill pushers only have one job. To increase the sales of pills. It's what pays their mortgage and send their kids to college. The ones who makes a career for drug companies have that in mind.

Even if slides and pamflets says one thing, the pushers on conferences and in regular talks with doctors,
usually insinuate it's best to prescribe pills as soon as possible "before it gets worse".
Some doctors may even get the idea these pills can be taken proactively.

>>130208178
>legit fix for anxiety, depression and other stuff?
Temporarily.
Your body will return to homeostasis while on it, and if the problem has not abated, it will hit you so much harder coming off.

t. BPsych Grad

>>130220372
True and I think most people would do okay pre-industrial revolution.

>>130208349
>clinical trials
You should look into how clinical trials are run

>>130219495
I can't say I've ever seen anyone who I believe was faking their symptoms. I'm pretty sure I'd have a good idea if I met someone who was just attention seeking though.
You get people with milder presenting symptoms who are good to go in a few sessions, or whatever has caused the initial distress has passed and they've dealt with it themselves.
You also get the occasional fragile narcissist who has a breakdown, comes for 1 or 2 sessions, then puts his narcissist guard back up and is never seen again, but that's a personality disorder, rather than faking symptoms.

read about the mechanism of action

educate yourself in biochemistry and you'll see the most guaranteed effect is placebo

all other effects radically differ from person to person


stop thinking mental illness (e.g. DSM criteria mainly used for insurance forms) can be "fixed", think of medication as a tool instead, anyone can take them, lol

if it doesn't work for you doesn't mean you are or are not depressed

really fucking hate americans obsession with the pills... just need to talk more about our emotions and stop treating feelings as "symptoms" that might lead to suicide

>>130220441
I legitimately owned a N64 samus game and a nintendo 20. I don't know if mandela effect killed them or if they were chinese knock offs but they were real and I should be a millionaire but my brother sold the shamus game when were were like 10 and my aunt trashed the nintendo 20 when my grandma died. Fuck the world. Also I'm pretty happy with the world. But also kill people who destroy legendary shit like that.

>>130220197
>tfw my parents went out of their way to conceive and keep me
>they weren't against abortion/birth control or putting kid up for adoption
>secondborn, sibling is 2.5 years older so they would have known if having any more kids was right for them
>go out of their way to create and keep me
>then get resented and abused until I leave at 18
do you know this mindfuck of a feel too?

>>130216146
Chemical imbalance theory is a hoax. Educate yourself.

>>130220179
you might just be in a fucked situation and drugs can only make it worse

>>130219133
>but it go scheduled in the US in sept 2016
Nope, clerk at shop that sells kratom. The DEA announced their intention to ban kratom in a month, but got massive pushback on almost all fronts and dropped it.

>>130220283
>few bucks
What pharmacy do you go to m8?

>>130220471
teach me how, estonia, oh wise one.

>>130220947
nice

>>130208178
made my brother in law an obnoxious rude asshole. when he got off them he was even fucking weirder

>>130216895
Exactly

SSRIs are dangerous and can cause psychotic behaviour in place of your depression, your 5-HT2A serotonin receptors may become damaged as a result. If you seek antidepressants it is advised that you try medications such as bupropion instead as it is not an SSRI.

>>130220797
>Chemical imbalance theory is a hoax.
desu. Rothschild takeover of medicine.
Ask your doctor what the correct chemical balance is, and what tests they have to determine what your balance is. Ask them how their head meds work.

>>130219798
youre gonna be fine kiddo
millions of people abuse that shit, while it sounds to me that it was the right thing to do for you.

you're gonna be just fine, just dont give those pills too much importance.

>>130208178
Jewish cuck pills
>dead penis
>can't remember anything over 3 days ago anymore
>made me super dizzy when I was taking them
Don't do it. Get off r9k, exercise, get a cat, find a super autistic hobby (I recommend collecting things or metal detecting), and go to bed at night and get up at the same time every day.

>>130220797
>>130221576
i dont get this. why do people say this? Lets say you are right about ssri and they are the devil.
Ok so that is established. But why say that chemical imbalance has nothing to do with brain function? Wouldnt it make sense that hormones and blood sugar would have a great affect on the brain.

>>130222431
what's so good about cats?

>>130208178
fucks up your brain. i was on zoloft for a year, switched to cymbalta another year now im 3 years off the stuff.
I feel like i'd enjoy my life better if I never took that shit in the first place and just manned the fuck up the natural way. now i sit on the computer all day when I used to be outgoing before I started that shit.
only thing i take now is ambien for sleep

>>130208509
this. the side effects outweighed the benefits by a mile, and that's putting it lightly.
for anyone considering psychotropic drugs, DON'T FUCKING DO IT.

>>130222610
they're cute and they'll provide you with companionship and force you to do something with your time. a dog would work too.

>>130220179
what do you mean by "feel nothing"?
I am sure you laugh from time to time on YLYL threads.

>>130222749
Get off ambien anon it's probably the worst of all. It's worse than benzos and you're giving yourself dementia.

>>130222749
Ambien was a godsend. I have issues sleeping on Sundays because I hate my job and dread waking up to Monday morning...the only issue is that docs always wanna prescribe Seroquel (tranquilizer).

How get Ambien Rx anon??

>>130222458
>But why say that chemical imbalance has nothing to do with brain function?
Obviously neurochemical levels in the brain are significant. But they don't know what the right levels are, or often quite how the meds effect that. It's something they say to justify giving them drugs, much like ADHD was invented to give them a legal reason to give kids ritalin and adderall. The desire to drug came first, then the rationale.

>>130208178
The body/brain is like a car. If you don't put enough of the right gas in, you are not going to get good performance.
EAT RIGHT INSTEAD

>>130223074
Ambien is more damaging than any other benzo, Seroquel under 50mg is probably still better even though seroquel sucks.

>>130222933
does ambien really do this? nothing else has worked. i've tried natural medicines, exercise during the day, even had sleep studies done. ambien was the only thing that will knock me out

>>130223074
EVERYBODY HATES THEIR FUCKING JOB. it's just a job. you're going to take serious drugs because you can't come to terms with that? people with great jobs hate their jobs. just stop it with this shit. these drugs are for people who are genuinely sick and a true danger to themselves or others. people who belong in straight jackets. not pussies who watched too much tv as a kid and thought life was like a sitcom

If they don't draw fluid from your brain and check the neurotransmitter levels, why would you let them fuck with your neurotransmitters like that? They are literally just guessing at the problem/deficiency.

There are plenty of natural supplements that will increase dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, GABA, etc safely. Why not experiment with those first? Do some reading.

>>130222923
>they're cute and they'll provide you with companionship and force you to do something with your time. a dog would work too.
Resident's in nursing home's have been found to benefit from taking care of a plant. Knowing that another life depends on your care gives your life some measure of purpose.

>>130223292
Yeah have you tried trazadone?

>>130223352
yea, i've tried trazodone, doxepin, seroquel (50mg like you said), all of them were the lowest dose possible. they wanted to put me on a benzo but i know those are addictive and hard to get off of

>>130223292
Try gabapentin.

>>130223292
>ambien was the only thing that will knock me out
Have you tried a little melatonin combined with a heavy indica?

>>130223482
Even 300mg trazadone? I'd still take that over ambien. 150 does fine for me though. I'm off now and take melatonin and chamomile

>>130223517
tried melatonin, never heard that indica would help. >>130223514
i have neuropathy in my left arm so i already take neurontin for the nerve pain. since i've been taking it for so long, i think i might be immune to its effects on sleep.

>>130208178
Legit for some people. I tried everything to try and beat anxiety/depression and nothing worked. Medication, combined with everything else helped me be normal.

>>130223514
Gabapentin is useful but I dont think it'll knock out someone with severe sleep issues.

>>130223517
>>ambien was the only thing that will knock me out
I started mental chanting years ago, now I have more trouble staying awake, has similar effects to benzo's they say.
http://loprofile.com/2012/02/medication-vs-meditation/

>>130223683
i'll ask my doc and see what he can do. i still have some leftover from the times i was weaning myself off.

>>130223778
Yeah, its good for restless legs not much more. I had drug induced insomnia that lasted about 4 weeks where I couldn't sleep at all. I could eat 4 ambien and chase it with a 6 pack of beer and not feel even a little tired. Everytime I closed my eyes I just saw bright flashing colors and I could hear 2 different songs playing on top of each other in my head. Thought I fried my brain permanently. Then one day a friend gave me a temazepam and I slept like a fuckn baby that night and every night after. Like a miracle drug. Just one.

>>130218566
this sounds appealing but at this point it feels like chasing a tail.

i'm convinced there is something out there that will flip the switch for so many out there, but i think a lot of them are tired of flipping switches in of itself and not much to show for it

>>130218566
>Also should be supplemented with stable and clean diet, keeping the processed Jew out of the body, and regular exercise. Discipline isn't something you forge from free-will, if you are mentally ill. It will fall into you lap at the flip of a switch the very second your brain chemistry is corrected.

Couldn't be any more true. This I think is the big one. Lots of people are overweight, eating too much processed food, and don't get enough exercise (even some people that go to the gym to lift weights aren't getting "enough exercise") and it all takes a toll on the mind and body.

I used to be about ~80lbs overweight, working a sedentary job, and then coming home and watching Netflix while drinking beer until I passed out for a few years will do that to a guy. Anyway eventually I decided enough was enough and started going to the gym again, started jogging/swimming, changed my diet and hobbies, and after a few years had brought myself back to a healthy stable weight, and man did I feel a million times better mentally as well, way more proud, upbeat, happy, energetic. I know it all sounds cliche but it's true, and I've talked to plenty of other former fatasses who claimed the exact same.

Going the medicinal route is the bandaid fix and should only be a last resort after you've tried everything else including getting physically fit.

Chemical lobotomy's, give your third eye glaucoma.

Have fun being a husky of a person.

>>130208178
>ctrl-f
>no tianeptine SSRE

fucking plebs

>>130222933
>>130223292

Actually, ambien is technically still preferred over benzos. But you're absolutely right, there's an increase risk for mortality overall with the use of ambien- but it's mainly from the risk of falls and fractures in old people lel.

And damn, anon. You've tried a shit ton huh? Are there any habits that you think might be shitting on your sleep schedule? (Naps during the day, caffeine, heavy meals at night, watching the tv in bed etc?) Either way, I wouldn't encourage the long-term use of ambien but if it's the ONLY thing that works, then stick with it. Rozerem is an Rx drug that works like melatonin and is considered safer for long-term use...maybe you might have luck with that. (But honestly, if you're on ambien not sure how well it would compare).

Good luck.
-a pharmfag.

>>130208178
Fuck pharmaceutical drugs.

If you have depression, it's because your hormones are all fucked up.
I'm gonna give you an easy fix.

Take Iodine, at least 2-4mg a day, with magnesium, Selenium, Vitamin C and D. And some regular exercise.

After that your thyroid should be in kick ass shape and you won't need any shit brain-altering drugs to think clearly.

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>>130226795
this

it works but it terrorizes your sex drive, and since I have a bitch I don't use it, instead I use a beta blocker, which works for blood pressure and chills you out and it's safer than ssri. Used to take Zoloft, it basically makes you drunk with happiness, that is what I felt when taking it. Other ones I have tried I have gotten nasty reactions, like with welbutrin and prozac, it shocked my brain. Scary feeling.


Just eat good and exercise, dont take too much sugar or salts, it's really bad.

>>130209754
anti depressant side effects

when I was on cipralex I couldn't even get hard and when I took them it felt like the pill was stuck in my throat super weird

>>130229836
Yeah that's probably the lightests side effects you get from those. One I took for years I would feel sensory autistic from any fans/breeze and feel like I wanted to rip myself apart. In the end it's been all about fully changing my lifestyle away from regular modern 8-5 office lifestyle and more, food, sleep, and any drug even caffeine.

I've been on Sertraline for 3 months now. I had a mental breakdown - stressful, high pressured job, my mum died unexpectedly, insomnia, developed OCD all that jazz - which basically led to me running on empty for around 6 months with panic attacks of increasing frequency which started happening daily.

Finally went to the doctor and was initially put on a v.low dose of 25mg per day. This has steadily increased and i am now on the maximum dosage of 200mg per day.

Pros:
-I feel a lot better
-My OCD has pretty much gone (I was scratching/itching myself - particularly at night, my sheets would be covered in blood every morning), this rarely happens now
-I no longer want to kill myself as often
-My sex drive has not been changed

Cons
-Side effects for me have been stomach pain, weight loss, diarrhea, occasional faint/dizzy spells, shaking hands and developed a bit of a stutter
-it created a bit of a "am i feeling well because things are better or because of tablets" mindset, which is hard to describe, but is unsettling

I think with the exception of the stomach/diarrhea ones, the other stuff could just be a result of depression/OCD/anxiety

My doctor has been excellent, I am on some quite powerful sleeping tablets which makes a big difference in my quality of life, I bascially slept 2-3 hours a night for 4 months. I have diazepan to take when i am feeling low, but not something i take on a regular basis. Also, I have been signed off work since around Easter which is allowing me to get better (I still do some work at home, taking calls etc, and snuck into the office a couple of times late at night as had urgent important stuff to do) - but overall, i feel myself improving

tl;dr probably not good for everyone, but they have helped me but there are some shite side effects.

>>130231671
Got the same side effects, I think my prescription was done with a lack of more research.
Those sides are terrible, specially the shaking hands how did it not made you go insane?

>>130208178
Just take estrogen instead, it has better antidepressant effects than ssri's. Probably less side effects too lol

>>130232012

The shaking isn't hugely noticeable with the exception of when i am eating and drinking - so it doesn't bother me too much.

The diarrhea was the worst, but all i do now is make an extra effort to drink 3-4 litres of water a day and eat right (which I did anyway, but I now actively try and make up for everything that is going out my system).

I am happy to put up with the side effects for the time being, because I am not going to kill myself now. I know that within a month or so my dosage will be lowered, I will be back to the job i enjoy and things will get better

I hope things pick up for you anon

>>130231671
At least feel good that you aren't more fucked up cause if you were you'd have gone nutso on it.

>>130231671
>>130232012
Shaking hands holy shit. So I was on seroquel, which is one of the most potent out there usually for schizos and it made my hands and arms involuntarily drop/lose all coordination. I knew I had to get off before I got hurt. Small shakes are still enough to get you off a drug though. That's unnatural.

>>130231671
i was on sertraline 50 mg, wasn't really doing it for me so I bumped up to 100mg
it made me feel really happy or giddy just a couple of days of taking it
my only cons are it killed my sex drive, and it makes me feel almost unnatural if that makes sense
like there's something off about my head