So /pol/ what the fuck happened to him? Severe Brain degradation

>>130148718
isn't the botulism supposed to be a year ago

could he have had it long enough to get fucked up permanently but then have it cured when he finally got medical care and still be fucked up?

He was a spy, he ate the pill they gave him in case he was captured but it didn't entirely do the job.

>>130148718
>What do you think they did to him?
I don't know. I'd need to see the MRI scans and look at the patient irl.

>>130148970
Proof for this?

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>>130148718
This

He went to North fucking Korea, he was probably brain damaged before he got there.

Maybe now people will understand that North Korea isn't just some quirky meme country, they'll fucking kill you.

He tried to hang himself and lost oxygen.

>>130148718
maybe he just had a talk with an anarcho-capitalist

>>130149105
we should organize tour groups to NK for leftist youth in western countries so they see what real communism looks like

I bet the come back get a haircut and thank their parents for being American

>>130148718

Sounds like he had a heart attack, while being young enough to survive, it still caused brain damage.

Probably stress induced.

Probably tried to kill himself through autoerotic asphyxiation, ended up stopping his lungs which stopped his heart and killed his brains, but they discovered him early enough to save his life. The damage was done and only got worse until they were forced to feed and care for his body properly. This became a drain on them so they gave him back

>>130148718
He stole a flag from a Hotel so he got imprisoned for a dozen years or so.
>>130148970
Kek, he wasn't. Haven't you seen the video where he gets sentenced and tells everyone how sorry he is? He's a beta /pol/-tard.

>>130149321
wouldn't a heart attack imply the norks gave him medical attention in time?

a failed suicide attempt with oxygen deprivation seems more likely

>>130149378
>>130148718

So probably attempted suicide by hanging. Oxygen got cut off from the brain which damaged it.

My guess is he was tortured. Was he there on business or pleasure? He think he's Dennis Rodman or something?

>>130148718
I really feel sorry for this kid. What he did was stupid but he didn't deserve this.

>>130148718
The only thing you need to cause severe brain damage is a lack of oxygen.

So if he stopped breathing for a few minutes, for any reason, that could have done it.

>>130148718
Chemical lobotomy.

It sucks but still better than 15 years hard labor

>>130149468
Nah, if he attempted suicide, the Norks would have just said that. People hang themselves in prisons all over the world, it's nothing particularly damning.

They're lying to save face, so they probably caused the injury in an entirely unnecessary and cruel way.

>>130149706
Norks wouldn't risk doing anything that the kid could tell the American government once released. It had to be self inflicted which I wouldn't blame the kid for doing.

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>>130148976
https://youtu.be/voxQorZYAMU
Lack of blood to the brain.
Strangulation could cause this. I believe water boarding as well if improperly administered. Video is doctors initial diagnoses. Pic related is MRI scan of a vegetable who has suffered cardiopulmonary arrest after 6 months. His injury was said to have been 12 months ago.
https://youtu.be/voxQorZYAMU

>>130149467

you can survive a heart attack, especially if it's your first and you are young.

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>>130149260

>manager of travel agency
>organizing a clade of 500 leftist communist lgbtqbbai faggots to visit Pyongyang
>pay a NoKorean agent in Kimchee to confiscate their visas
>we lose unproductive human filth, NoKor gains free slave labor


>NoKor throws them in labor camps
>12 hours a day, 7 days a week, tilling crop fields 100 meters x 100 meters with a handheld trovel
>fed a consistent diet of rats and rain water
>every month, forced to change clothes from sweaty unwashed cotton slave garments to trendy communist uniforms
>cameraman asks for all to huddle together, smile, and hold the NoKor flag in pride
>officers with guns pointing off camera
>release images as successes of the travel agency

Hello comrade, this trips on me, just sign here

__________________ 4/16/17

>>130148718
Spinal meningitis. Spreads like wild fire in 3rd world prisons and can cause neurological damage.

Probably used him as a test subject before taking out the big nam. Either that or some really fucked up torture where they deprive you of oxygen. Kid was definitely tly the play thing of every sad aspic norm there was for awhile.

>>130149994
I love it
>welcome to the rice field mother fucker

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>>130149351
maybe not the autoerotic part, but this sounds like the most plausible

>>130149994
Ja Rule pls go

>>130148718
The same thing that the Captol did to Peeta in mocking jay

>>130149157
Literally this. I don't know why people don't acknowledge this, the physician's report indicates this clearly. They said that it was caused by blood loss to the brain, which most likely happens through strangulation or the heart stopping. I guess suicide is still something that we don't want to bring up, even if you're fucked to a forced-labor camp for 15 years.

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He was tortured by means of oxygen deprivation for certain. He may have been kept in an isolation room using oxygen starvation as torture.

He was likely some kind of government agent.

>>130150198
He was meming you dip

>>130150300
Why try and kill yourself though? he was a political prisoner all he had to do was stick it out and he would probably get released eventually. He was far to important for them to have die in the mines. Also something tells me he wouldn't have the balls to off himself.

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>>130148970
Kek, this was my theory too

>>130150535
15 years in a North Korean prison? A guy that I'm guessing had a middle upper class upbringing? Of course he'd take the easy way out.

>>130150535
The Norks had absolutely nothing to gain by killing or hurting him apart from pissing off the USA. Kim isn't retarded, unlike most of you. They have a lot more to gain by keeping him alive as leverage.
Nah, it was an attempted suicide.

>>130149351
>Probably tried to kill himself through autoerotic asphyxiation
You don't try to kill yourself during autoerotic asphyxiation. You try to orgasm. It is a possibility but I think you mean he tried to asphyxiate himself.

>>130150535
One week of hard labor in a NK camp and you'd be begging for death too. He clearly thought he was going to do the entire 15yr bid and tried to check out early

>>130148718
Complete isolation

>>130150884
A little of both. I mean, if you are gonna kill yourself, might as well jizz one last time

>>130148718

Whatever the US government decides is a good pretext for going to war.

>people are outraged at the way this was treated
>expecting every country to be as lax/cucked about crime as we are in Western civilization

It's literally so easy to NOT commit crime and break laws, especially stupid shit like vandalism and theft. I don't see how people can get outraged at the way this kid is being treated for INTENTIONALLY break laws in a place where you *KNOW* that crime isn't tolerated.

He's getting off easy. I bet he learned his lesson too.

>>130148718
Considering some of the inhumane shit I've heard surrounding NK, they probably pulled a Jeff Dalmer and drilled a hole in his skull and poured chemicals in it to see what would happen

I'm the only person in this thread that has actually been to North Korea. He tried to hang himself and they caught him during the act but not before he did permanent damage.

>going to North Korea
He deserved it

>>130149916
Yeah sounds like they accidently cut off the gas for too long when torturing him and when they realised they had turned him into a vegitable they just let him go.

>>130151274
dear leader loves flute bands?

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somebody ninja-ed his ass

>>130151296
What's so bad about visiting NK?

>>130151296
Why? I've been, don't steal shit or leave bibles and they will leave you alone. I accidentally started transferring the full seasons of the Sopranos to the hotel computer and caused a blackout due to slamming the power button. They just looked at me weird. Also lost my tour group at the theme park in Pyongyang. Nothing happened.

>>130151274
Suppose this is also possible.

>>130149351
Why the bs about botulism then? Why not just say the idiot tried to hang himself?

It seems to me like if he tried to kill himself by hanging or something, North Korea would just say that. Attempted suicide exonerates them more than their bullshit story of botulism and a sleeping pill. My money is on him having a heart attack, either from hard labor or from emotional stress, or they choked his stupid ass to death.

Does anyone know if there's any coming back from that, or are his parents going to keep him a vegetable for the rest of his life?

Dear leader went to University in Switzerland and doesn't so much as sneeze without the permission of China. It's a chinese buffer state to act as a barrier between the US-West backed S korean military and cultural influence.

>>130151483
Im guessing if you hang yourself in a way that would be effective there would be tell tale signs of trauma to the neck so that story would be unbelievable?

>>130148718
Tried to hang himself. Cut off oxygen and blood to the brain.

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>>130148718
He was released yesterday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4610378/Otto-Warmbier-s-North-Korea-room-mate-recalls-moment-taken.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3792412/us-student-otto-warmbier-22-who-was-jailed-in-north-korea-back-home-in-coma/

Just the natural state of the average american.

I would pay very good money for a look inside a NK labor camp. O
I want to know just how bad it is.

>>130151532
They may have said that. But would our own media report it? It's not as if they are interested in the truth.

>>130151432
>>130151449
It's Africa tier Asia. You have the whole world open to you and choose a fucking dictatorship. Are you literally high or just bored and have a death wish? You should have visited eastern Poland. Or Vladivostok if you want the far east.

>>130151483
attempted suicide implies Best Korea was so awful it made him suicidal. Better to just claim he caught a disease and it was entirely his fault and the Nork did all they could to help

>>130150666
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>>130150914
Exactly the Norks had nothing to gain killing him I doubt he was put in the mines he was probably under lock and key under 24 hour surveillance. The entire story just seems fishy if he did try to kill himself why wouldn't the North just say that instead of being like here we gave him sleeping pills.

>>130151598
The result of living in a Anti-LGBT environment and not enough socialist healthcare I presume

>>130151070
Lot of people saying he was just unlucky and that he didn't do shit and the Norks just singled him out cause he was American.

>>130148718
They force fed him some of alex jones' brain meds.

>>130149916
I watched it. Thanks. The doctor mentions parts of the brain were "missing" (sic). The photos you added don't show any missing parts, just a shrunken brain. It doesn't make sense.

>>130151564
they did say he'd been in a coma for over a year, so if the only trauma was some bruising on the neck, it could have healed. Might explain the odd timing of releasing him after he'd been a vegetable for so long; they waited until there was no signs left so the US wouldn't know

>About 460,000 sudden cardiac deaths from a total of 728,743 cardiac-related deaths were reported in 1999 in the United States [1]. Thirty-six percent of the sudden deaths were in-hospital cardiac arrest and 64% were out-of-hospital arrest [1]. About 18% of patients survive to discharge following in-hospital cardiac arrest [2,3], whereas only 2% to 9% of patients who experience out-of-hospital cardiac arrest survive to discharge [4–6]. Functional outcomes of survivors are variable, but poor-quality survival is common [7], with only 3% to 7% able to return to their previous level of functioning [8]. The prevalence of coma or persistent vegetative state among survivors represents an enormous burden on patients, their families, health care personnel, and resources.

>whereas only 2% to 9% of patients who experience out-of-hospital cardiac arrest survive to discharge [4–6]. Functional outcomes of survivors are variable, but poor-quality survival is common [7], with only 3% to 7% able to return to their previous level of functioning
>3% to 7% able to return to their previous level of functioning
Chances of this guy ever being able to explain what happened are very slim. It could have been self inflicted but could also have been a way to ensure he never talks about North Korea.

Management of Brain Injury After Resuscitation From Cardiac Arrest

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074242/

I don't feel that bad because he was one of these richfags who spend almost the entirety of their college years studying abroad.

>>130148718
Isolation, white noise, pitch blackness, non stop, for the whole time he was locked up.

>>130151658
I've visited 54 countries. North korea is unlike any other and is so far the most interesting I've visited. Nork women are qt.patootie aswell.

>>130151532
See
>>130151924

>>130151942

Easy streeet

Did anyone see the interview between Tucker and the kid's father? Something about that guy was off. Some of the responses he gave were clearly coached at the very least, and his demeanor was strange. I know grief can do strange things to a man, but I don't know. Do we know anything about dad's background? Is he a pastor of some kind?

Side question: obviously it's illegal to steal a NK propaganda poster, but are they legal to buy? Because now I want one, but I don't want to become a vegetable in my quest for one.

>>130151658
>>130151967
I agree with Peru. NK is worth visiting because it's one of the only countries in the world that operates on a completely different level. If you want to see a true dictatorship in 2017 you have to go to North Korea.

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>>130148718
They showed him The Boogeyman.

>>130148970
No, he's just a dumbass college kid. They had the video of him stealing the poster. If he was an NK citizen, they'd have executed him publicly for stealing from the state.

>>130151771
Horseshit, you have no idea how many Americans visit N Korea each year, dude stole propoganda from a hotel which his country is at war with. He's a fucking moron. The norks are chill aslong as you are respectful, chick on our tour gave the guide 4 packs of chinese cigs and he went into a store and brought her some Nork currency to take home which you aren't allowed to do as they have the Glorious leaders face on the bill.

>>130148970
>google Ottom Wambier was a spy
>only regular news about him comes up and not even tinfoil shit about him being a spy

>>130152042
http://www.allposters.com/-st/North-Korea-Posters_c58359_.htm

Go nuts

>>130152042
I saw this, it was weird. I think the guy was just given some answers to talking points so he could do an easy news interview and not have to think so much. His son was kidnapped and now returned braindead, it would be hard for him to really talk about this without some coaching.

>>130152042
Yeah they have a heap to buy, some are seriously high quality as well, the post cards and shirts are fucking awesome aswell. Schoolkids punching tomahawks missiles out the sky are shit. They just won't sell you anything with the leaders face on it however.

>>130152042
I'd guess that he really wanted to talk shit about Korea but Tucker told him to dial it back before they went on air. The dad is probably very seriously fucked up by all of it but had to perform for the cameras in such a way to not look insane with rage

>>130148718
he's just pretending to be retarded

>>130148718
Just finished reading the Gulag Archipelago. There are plenty of ways to torture a man without physically beating him. Also ways to beat him without leaving marks. A quick list
>sleep deprivation for long periods
>constant exposure to bright lights
>malnutrition + hard labor
>drugs
>psychological torture - eg the sounds of his wife screaming as she is raped in the next room
>exposure to cold
>exposure to elements
>demeaning tasks

>>130152163
I dunno sounds like he just got unlucky no offense but imagine if at the Airport they call you aside and said why are you trying to smuggle out North Korean currency. You could very well be in the same situation.

Also his roommate has an interesting side to the story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/06/15/otto-warmbiers-north-korea-roommate-speaks-out/?utm_term=.bea3248a800f

>>130152383
Run them through an archive
https://archive.is/eBcsD

>>130152181
Exactly. The tinfoil BS is written by the government to discredit legitimate theories like that one.

>>130152163
If you're not allowed to hide, deface, bend, or fold Kim Il Sung's face, how do they carry around money?

>>130152383
The number one thing to realize is that the Norks don't want this shit to deal with. I brought a fucking MARINE EPIRB into the country and they looked at it for a minute, turned to me and asked "bomb?" and when I laughed and shook my head and explained in english they just looked confused and put it back in my backpack. I have talked to the guides in NK about these incidents, every time they are usually some christian missionary arsehole dropping bibles in hotel rooms or trying to convert their guide.

>>130151532
I've worked, in a non-medical role, on a rehabilitation ward with stroke victims and people who are either suffering from neurological conditions, or who have sustained brain damage as a result of trauma or oxygen starvation.

My observations are that, while some cognitive function can be regained, you will be lucky to get it all back. Generally rehabilitation needs to begin as soon as possible after a patient has been stabilised as the rate of recovery slows down over time. That doesn't seem to have happened in this case.

Comparing this guy to patients I have known, I would say he's never going to be as he was but he might be able to make progress in some areas.

>>130152536
Good point, I guess they don't hide, deface, bend or fold it. Clear, flat, plastic wallets with no way to bend them? They just all do it anyway and the government doesn't give a shit?

>>130151967
>Nork women
Did you fuck one? Even kiss? You didn't, so throwing that in as a reason to visit is retarded

I bet they used shaking torture. You can really fuck people up by violently rattling their heads. Leaves no marks, but fucks up their thinky meat.

>>130150456
Have a (You).

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>>130152406
>“No words were spoken. Two guards just come over and simply tapped Otto on the shoulder and led him away,” Gratton said. “I just said kind of quite nervously, ‘Well, that’s the last we’ll see of you.’ There’s a great irony in those words.”

Last thing he ever heard a fellow white say was bantz.

>>130148718
Don't know what the cunts did but they're going to pay for it.

there is a lot of torture designed to not show marks

the cia for example has their own field

a lot of this was learn in iraq and guantanamo

>>130153136
Good old UK bantz.

>>130152864
Nope, qt flirted with the Russian guide though but he backed down then told us later its happened before but the girl usually gets shunned by the entire country afterwards.

>>130149351
>autoerotic asphyxiation
kek I think he had bigger things to worry about than strangling himself whilst having a wank m8

>>130149105
> they'll fucking kill you

Before you go you are asked to "behave", if you can't follow simple direction when you are in a dangerous place you are asking for troubles

>>130148718
Imagine being in a place where no one speaks your language being forced to do insane work dude probably offed himself because the guards where raping him every night for kicks.

They probably studied his penis to see how the yellow man can get our big American powers.

>>130149260
>real communism
{{{ real communism }}}
Its a republic like the US is a republic

>>130151924
>It could have been self inflicted but could also have been a way to ensure he never talks about North Korea.
The long time he was held there gave his body time to heal from the wounds of the beatings.
"Hey, he was alive when we gave him back..."

>>130156102
North korea is purely communist, you fucking retard, I have been there. It functions exactly like a national communist state, that's what Juche is. Just because it doesn't look pretty to your ANTIFA faggot arse doesn't mean it isn't communism.

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>>130156517
Bu-b-buuu-bu-buu-but it's not REAL communism

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Our own government hides chemicals in vaccines to cause MS and GBS So you don't think
North Korea can just inject this guy and give him severe MS

>>130150204
underrated, top kek friend