Norway spends 311 000 000 000 NOK on healthcare through taxes

Healthcare does not work. The state does not work. Governments do not work.

How much money is lost due to people being out of work because of illness/injuries they can't afford to treat?

>>130089641
Holy shit, I just did the same calculations with Canada (the country libtards here love to talk about because muh free healthcare) and if we spent the same ammount per citizen as Canada it would have to be $2,075,898,000,000. Anyone who unironically is calling for universal healthcare is out of their minds.

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>>130089641

We are simple potato nigs, dont come here.

>>130090184
Not much. If it's an emergency it gets treated. It's only when people put it off for fucking ever that you get really expensive medical bills.

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>>130089641
The US already spends more per person on healthcare than Norway you right wing retard fuck

>>130089641

No they don't, their GDP is only 377 billion, and their government budget is 182 billion.

>>130091436
My numbers come from Statistics Norway

>>130091436
>182 billion

healthcare and education is half our budget lad

>>130091436
Besides, you forgot to change currencies. I was talking about NOK, not USD.

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>>130089641
what did google image search mean by this

>>130089877
>He said from his /comfy/ home with electricity and running water
>while his countries military and police forces protect him from criminals and outside threats.

You do understand that government is literally the standard model for human civilisation right? Just because it is not perfect does not mean it would be better to have no government at all.

>>130090433
We spend more per citizen on healthcare than Canada at the government level, before you even add in the private sector.

I hope you were cleverly inviting this correction rather than being a retard.

>>130089641
not even close, bro. you'd need more than twice that -- norway isn't full of fucking obese niggers, drunk-driving spics, and the 13 year old girls they both rape.

>>130091425
>waving around graphs that prove the average quality of care is the problem, not the prices
>is in the party that reduced the quality of care and increased the prices
would you like to know why nobody takes you seriously? or do you just pretend not to know already?

>>130089641
>That means, if the US should use the same amount of money
False equivalent. Norway is a high-cost country. Especially services cost a lot, regardless of what kind. An auto mechanic charges over 1000 NOK per hour, that's something like 800 USD. Plus parts. And add 25% VAT to that. Nurses and health workers don't work for much less than 200 NOK per hour, plus extra for evening, weekend, and night shifts.

TL;DR Everything cost a lot of money in Norway. But unless you're a welfare recipient or didn't get any kind of useful education, you can afford to live pretty well. Although going DINK is the best lifestyle.

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>>130091425
REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Get your facts out of here!

>>130090731
>potato nigs
That's the Irish. We're mountain monkeys.

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>>130091763
Actually, it's 12%, when you don't facture in oil and fisheries.
Less than 10,5% if you count total BNP.

Source: https://www.ssb.no/helsesat

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>>130093863
>mechanics chagres over 1000 per hour, that's something like 800 USD
no it isn't

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Here's a thought.

>take that number, and double it the first 4 years.
>get EVERYONE into a clinic and have them get checked out. (The first 4 years of double budget should make things run semi smoothly)
>get data and diagnose everyone through standard tests
>treat those who really need it, and find out who is just in need of a change in lifestyle.
>get those who just need to exercise doing that
>get those who need other treatments done as well.

Now comes the fun part
>abandon universal health care
>put 1/4th of said budget into mandatory after school programs that promote fitness and good eating habits.

In 20 years of reinforcing good lifestyle choices, it will stick with them. And even if it doesn't, you are at least training these kids to the point where they are ready for another world war.

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>>130089641
We already have universal healthcare for old people

Canada spends 228 billion/year on health spending

There's no way Norway spends more than that

>>130095083
I believe thats in kroners

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>>130093770
What does the x axis measure you absolutely retarded fuck >>130091425

>>130094621
As if those people currently who have been told to change their lifestyle have done so to solve their health issues.

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>>130091425
>"Don't worry if we nationalize this service and increase who can use it by 40% and also create a gigantic bureaucracy to administer it the cost will go down!"

>>130089641
California is currently trying to pass a bill to implement Single Payer Healthcare. They estimate that by nationalizing the entire system they'll be able to reduce costs by a few billion dollars overall.

The problem of course being that nationalizing it would cost 400 billion dollars a year. The current California state budget, TOTAL, was about half of that in 2015.

So we need to triple our state's total tax revenue to pay for this. We already have some of the highest state taxes in the union.

Anyone want to explain to me how this is possible? California is often touted as the biggest economy in America, and leftists just loooooooove to talk about how great the California economy is, but I've never heard anyone make the case for this. Also there is zero accommodation for an increase in medical service use as a result of its being made universal and including illegal aliens.

>>130095469
That's true.
Maybe that's why current healthcare is so expensive. You got all those people who should have been doing the right thing all along, not, and now the supply and demand is inflated because shit people want to be alive.

>>130089877
Well, I guess the thread endend.

>>130095869
>>"Don't worry if we nationalize this service and increase who can use it by 40% and also create a gigantic bureaucracy to administer it the cost will go down!"


Did you see all the other countries on that chart? What do they have in common you fucking moron?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Y1jKbk7qA&feature=youtu.be&t=705

>>130096822
Other countries aren't America and do not change material facts. Explain how increasing bureaucracy and increasing use would lower prices.

>>130095869
I would honestly love if california went full single payer. It would give us an insight as to how the system would work in the US. please do it soon. I know your hollywood libs would just be ecstatic.

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>>130097062
The government already runs the most efficient healthcare system in America. It's called Medicare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Y1jKbk7qA&feature=youtu.be&t=705 [Embed]

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>>130097218
They would have to find a way to block all the red state refugee rural and suburban right wing retards flooding in trying to get meth addiction treatment

>>130097249
Not efficient enough, as you can see in the California example above.

How does increasing bureaucracy and increasing use lower prices. Explain it. Do not link to videos of pundits talking about it, explain it mechanically or I will assume (correctly) that you don't actually understand the subject at all.

>>130097380
Does Canada turn away americans if they need medical treatment while in the country?

>>130097454
>How does increasing bureaucracy and increasing use lower prices.

Lol you're the one arguing for more bureaucracy and higher prices you fucking moron >>130097249

>>130097249
Also CEO compensation is not an argument, as the numbers involved clearly show. You're just spamming images because you don't have an argument or any understanding of the numbers involved.

Put up or admit defeat.

>>130097548
Nope. Explain how an increase in the size of government, complete with government employees, and an increase in use by a huge number of people in the millions, reduces prices.

It's increasingly clear that you don't know what you're talking about at all. You've just listened to people telling you what you want to hear, and you can't even regurgitate it, you just link to it.

Explain it to me.

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>>130097526
A lot of you fat fucks come here to buy prescription meds. I dunno what happens if an American needs healthcare. I travel to the US plenty and I always make sure I have health insurance before I go. No way I wanna wake up from gun shot wounds after playing baseball and get hit with a $100,000 bill

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>>130089641
Lmao, big companies can just leave. They have no obligation to stay here, it would be like Venezuela.

>>130097764
>Still no arguments
Looks like the way to defeat Obamaleaf was just to ask him to explain himself. Good to know.

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>>130097554
>Also CEO compensation is not an argument,

Lol. AHAAHHA yes it is the argument. You right wing retards are literally fighting for more bureaucracy and higher prices so your fat cat big pharma ceos can take home $100 million a year for actually denying people healthcare >>130097249

The more they actually deny Americans health coverage with insane insurance loopholes, the more profit they make. Your system is fucking retarded. I can't wait till u retards get Trumpcare too.

>>130097842
I wasn't even replying to you and I already fucking eradicated you.

>>130098007
>>130096822
>>130091425


Your entire argument is for more bureaucracy and higher prices. >>130097249

You right wing retards btfo yourselves.

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>>130089641

>39 million blacks
>50 million mestizos
>wow lol why isn't America just like europe?

I really hate this meme

>>130097249
I live in Connecticut so why should I care if insurance companies rake in massive profits, it all goes to fund Malloy's leftist bullshit so you faggots should be happy.

>>130094789
And anyone who served the military

>>130095869
>"Don't worry if we nationalize this service and increase who can use it by 40% and also create a gigantic bureaucracy to administer it the cost will go down!"
there are already multiple gigantic bureaucracies administering it interconnected with eachother.

each unit of healthcare sold goes through 3 bureaucracies at the moment. the hospital is an individual bureaucracy, which bills a separate insurance bureaucracy, both of which answer to separate government bureaucracies (if not multiple ones).

single payer would actually be streamlining the current system.

where as "hurp durp just get rid of everything free market!" is simply not going to happen as a pragmatic political fact.
you can argue that an unrestricted system would be cheaper and more efficient, but it's a pipe dream.

the U.S. currently has an incredibly unfree market and as much as it can avoids "socialist" medical care, which results in the worst outcome of all possible mixed economic systems.

all the expensive patients end up on government assistance because muh feels already. all the healthy patients pay out of pocket for their own healthcare and pay for the government healthcare of all the needy and old, too.

then we put our soldiers on yet another entirely separate bureaucracy. just because.

we already incur the bureaucratic fluff and expenses of socialized medicine; and at the same time have a horribly inefficient private system we must also deal with.


socialized medicine is far from perfect, but just copy/pasting the australian system would be cheaper and more efficient.

it of course, has to be paired with dealing with fucking spics and niggers to some extent -- whether gettign rid of or somehow actually training them -- because we're more like brazil than we are australia; but that's an equally impossible political battle.