I've spent 5+ years with libertarians and they have achieved

>>130070684
They turned Kansas into the third world, so that's something.

Most libertarians (not including the basement dwelling NEETs on 4chan) are not ideologues, we could better be described as moderate minarchists I guess. We know that the state will always exist, we just want to rein it in a bit and minimize the damage it will cause in our lives. I just want the government to stay away from my money and my guns as much as possible.

Even Milo pointed out that libertarians have an outstanding intellectual base in classical liberalism, but they're more interested in weed and hacking. 2016 was supposed to be their year. The two most unpopular major party candidates in history who no one wanted to elect. They blew it.

>>130070684
I never understood why, I'd a minor political party actually wants to become relevant, libertarians et al don't run as libertarian in state or congressional races. Seems stupid or arrogant to think that people would trust a "literally who" with the presidency. Also, Congress really had the power to create or REMOVE laws... libertarians really need to get their shit together

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>>130070684
The Libertarian party sucks, but the libertarian system as a whole is doing quite well throughout the world.

>>130070684
because libertarianism is attractive to a fringe faction of very independent and moderately successful people who don't understand why other people don't value their independence as much as they do. these are not the personality types that organize together and make progress in the name of their beliefs, that is why libertarians have not really done anything since the pauls.

>>130072202
Literally "I got mine, now fuck you."

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>>130071417
this
'government get out reee' really means let me live my life and leave me alone

>>130072561
kek, seems a tad hyperbolic to me. more like "I got mine all by myself, and I think you can get yours all by yourself too".

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>>130072561
Anyone who's not an idiot or lazy can get theirs too. It just becomes a bit easier to get yours when the state gets out of your way.

>>130070684

Libertarian influence and power is in think tanks. Ignore the party.
Also Neil gorsuch, somehow the most libertarian candidate got selected.

In my experience your proposition that Libertarians are more concerned with being contrarians rather than effectuating their beliefs incrementally through strategic political methods is a critique that is falsely attributed to libertarians by conservative-centrists.

I advocated for Rand among my conservative friends during the primaries last year, most thought he couldn't get elected because they believed he was far too ideologically-based.

>>130072814
>all by myself
Here's the problem with that false statement and libertarian retardation in general. You emphatically DID NOT achieve that all by yourself. Unless you made stone tools and cut down all the lumber for your house and took wild plants and animals and fully domesticated them yourself and built all your power and water systems, etc you DID NOT do all that work yourself. In fact, capitalists are lazy as fucking shit.

>>130073011
>Anyone who's not an idiot or lazy can get theirs too.
This is simply a lie of a religious nature. Capitalism has mostly replaced christianity as the religion of the west and there are all sorts of obviously retardedly false claims like the one you just made that keep being repeated without substantiation because of this fact. You're a cult. Nothing more. And your baseless claims can be dismissed as such. In fact it's worse than that, because every single time neoliberal policies are put in place, they fucking wreck everything, INCLUDING economies. If it were true that labor = net worth, researchers and construction workers would be worth more than lazy heirs living off of daddy's trust fund.

If capitalists TRULY BELIEVE that everyone has the same opportunities and that it's just about work, etc, muh memes then they should be in favor of a 100% inheritance tax. Period. Otherwise you admit that the playing field is not level and some people have WAY more opportunities than others. You can't have it both ways. Either work is how you get rich, or it's not.

Libertarianism is just a meme pushed by the rich to get the general public to shut up about money

The Libertarian Party is a farce anyway, don't have to look any farther than Johnson or their convention last year to see that

$12 billion? That must be one fancy-ass guitar..

>>130075199
>Unless you made stone tools and cut down all the lumber for your house and took wild plants and animals and fully domesticated them yourself and built all your power and water systems
No. But other people did. And they got compensated for it. If they think it's not enough that's too bad, just don't extort others with the help of politicians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8

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>>130075199
If an Iranian muslim who doesn't know English, has almost no money, has no education, and doesn't know how anything works can somehow get a comfortable middle class lifestyle after hard work and smart decision in America, then so can anyone else.

>they should be in favor of a 100% inheritance tax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km9OCw3f5w4

>>130075489
Nailed it. Libertarianism is literally a cult, that's why it's followers are so immune to reason and logic, yet claim they are the supreme arbiters of it. Just like religious extremists. They don't even know things like Kansas or the 1880s exist, yet they keep trying to claim neocancer will work.

Libertarianism is LITERALLY an intentional attempt by the rich - especially the Koch brothers - to con dumb white men into believing getting raped in the ass and having the economy, society and the environment rekt so the rich can get richer is a wonderful thing because if you keep the faith, you'll be one of the billionaires!

>>130075972
Yeah, because immigrants from poor families are financially well off right off the fucking boat.

>muh anecdotes

>>130071880
So much this. I voted for every libertarian on my ballot, except Johnson. What a fucktard he was, good God. He really ruined any chances we had and becoming a significant part of us political mainstream.

>>130070684
libertarianism is that meme ideology that disenfranchised normalfags follow after they realize both parties are exactly the same, but are still stuck in that toddler-tier fantasy world of democracy and freedom

>>130076116
>immigrants from poor families
And why did they come in the first place? Maybe because their country of origin was a socialist wasteland.

>>130071405
>baaaawww my welfare and free healthcare is gone!
Get a fucking job you stupid leftist dreg.

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>>130076116
Anecdotes matter in this case. I don't care if the majority people make themselves rich or not, I care if they can, and if they can then that means that the only thing stopping them from doing so is themselves.

Besides, we've seen fantastic results whenever we've seen free economies put into place. Hong Kong and Singapore and Taiwan vs China, Switzerland and the UK and Germany vs Eastern Europe, USA and Canada vs Mexico, Chile vs South America, Botswana vs black Subsahara Africa, Australia and New Zealand vs Indonesia and Papua New Guinea

Politics is pointless. Voting is pointless.
The system has a huge overlooked flaw that make it impossible to be used for good.

The only smart thing to do is bow out and let the wolves eat the lambs.

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>>130075199
Most billionaires are self-made: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/269593

Most millionaires are self-made: http://www.fa-mag.com/news/most-millionaires-self-made--study-says-14565.html

Fucking kill yourself. Socialism has never, ever worked. It is the most failed ideology is human-fucking-history. Marx was a downright charlatan and the constant failure of his theories are only matched by the bodycount. Capitalism work, your shit system doesn't.

>>130070684
>The State as institution is part of humanity and not going away anytime soon.
libertarianism != anarchism

>>130074101
He "somehow" got selected because trump won. Libertarians that didn't vote for trump this cycle are retarded.

>>130070684
Funding terrorism wouldn't be our problem if we could close up our borders and regulate immigration.
>sell weapons to mudshits
>make cash
>no Muslims allowed in America
>no jihad attacks to worry about

>>130070684
> You either need to make your own State of like-minded people. Or you have to take over an existing one.
This. You also need to set functional living conditions and secure funding. Which is why the terrorist/environmental blackmailing from the ME needs to stop. the ME has no right to exist (nor does Israel) especially in such grandure for the few.

This is the big politics and why non-militant nationalism is the way foward.

>>130076269
I'm not convinced. Trump/Hillary was such a shitshow that even a god-tier libertarian candidate would have flown under the radar. They'll have their day once the two-party system further erodes.

>>130075199
>dude you didn't build that lmao!

>>130070684
Join us, anon.

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>>130079938
The system that has never lasted beyond its first leader?

>>130080107
Libertarians and Facists can work together.
You can have a Strong govt. That doesn't fuck with the market.

>>130072561
literally "I got mine, now don't take it from me because you were irresponsible and had five kids you couldn't take care of"

>>130081695
But you'll still fuck with me, whether I'm fucking with you or not, because you're frightened.

>>130070684
Most libertarians are disillusioned leftists or delusionals who think society can function indefinitely without taxation. They imagine keeping themselves in hookers and blow into their 70s with accumulated wealth that would never have been possible without the existence of the state.

>>130084824
Funny how workers, churches, and companies can support themselves with donations or by selling goods and services, yet the government has to use force to collect its funding.
Why does the government get to model themselves after racketeering model of organized crime and not the business model of selling goods and services?

>>130078827
I want to believe...

I agree. We need to silence this Jake Paul nigger

>>130076607
>libertarian hick resorts to ad hom instead of refuting a simple statement
Well said well said mmhmm yep