Why isn't /leftypol/ able to answer the question that this

BBBUUUUUUMPPPPPINGGGG CAUSE IM NIEC

>>129982985
In marxist theory the dictatorship of the proletariat stage would dissolve the "world govt" bc the "people" would effectively have absolute control over resources and the many other means of production, not needing a "govt" to parcel it out or sit on it... the means to achieving that and suppressing the counter capitalist class is often debated across marxist theorists, most likely involving violence aimed at the state, justified by saying the state is already violent

>>129987897
So you acknowledge that an all-powerful state will never willingly give up its power...
But how are the "people" supposed to overthrow this omnipresent, global socialist state? Wouldn't their arms have long ago been removed?

>>129988227
No, it assumes that the capitalist class hands over that power, in terms of marx's philosophy, but in reality one most likely gets a stalin or hitler. Mao armed the farmers, lenin the factories. I'm not a marxists tho, just going on my limited understanding of marx's theory

They could theoretically do it democratically, mass popular movement to elevate people into positions of power to dismantle it, corporare board rooms and legislatures and blah

And that's where marx's theory was interpreted and debated by our history's communist and socialist movements. What means to achieve this "communist uptopia" are justified, etc. But like i said, in the end the fashys become tankies and the tankies become fashys

>>129989090
>I'm not a marxists tho
I'll wait for a Marxist to give a more nuanced answer then.

>They could theoretically do it democratically, mass popular movement to elevate people into positions of power to dismantle it, corporare board rooms and legislatures and blah
Again, when has a state that has absolute power ever given up that power willingly? Why they allow a slow-moving coup like that to happen? I realize you're an anarchist and you probably advocate for the immediate destruction of the state.

>>129989842
I'm a tanky and while I really don't think Hitler was that bad of a guy I'd never be dumb enough to think he's right.

>>129990043
Never

>>129990211
>tanky
>hippie
wat

As someone who respects the tenents of national socialism and ethnonationalism, I can't help but think that a fascist government faces a similar issue, in that the people assume that a leader with such great power over them will use their power with benevolence for the ethnic group. Can someone explain this to me? It is possible that my analysis is not very good. I am not well read on fascism.

If it was done democratically and the bourgeoisie inevitably used violence to keep control, would one justify meeting that violence with violence?

>>129990805
Stalin would have me killed and I wouldn't be able to force people to do anything but I still really like the guy and agree with him and if he'll kill the rich alongside me then I guess it's a worthy sacrifice

The fact is communism is an immoral system that inevitably turns any place into a shithole.

No one's answering your question because they can't. Communism doesn't survive criticism. That's why it also shuts down anyone from "oppressive" classes, to avoid having to deal with freedom of speech that inevitably destroys it.

>>129991045
>If it was done democratically and the bourgeoisie inevitably used violence to keep control, would one justify meeting that violence with violence
Why would the nu-bourgeouisie have even allowed it to get to the point where violence could successfully be used against them?

>>129990979
You're right, it faces the exact same issue.

Either take the yellow pill or choose your preferred form of slavery.

>>129991220
>he would kill me
>but i still really like him
Don't ever call a capitalist a cuck if this is the way you think.

>>129991312
In our "theoretical" marxist roadmap the bourgeoisie are the current owners of the means of production, plain and simple

>>129991598
i've never called anyone a cuck

>>129991220
>If we kill the rich people everything will be fine and dandy! Then the whole country will be run by poor people with low IQ! It'll be fantastic!

I can't believe anyone sais this shit with a straight face.

Wow look at all the retards in this thread