> "Capitalism is not the best system but when we try

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>>129925877

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>>129925877
>Capitalism is not the best system but when we try to think at something else we can't work out anything
Hey look, it's a thing that no one ever says!

>What about distributing the production that we already produce to fulfill the requests that capitalism just can't fulfill?
What requests has capitalism not fulfilled?

>>129925877
Every country that tried communism is a failed socialist shithole
Time to move on.

>>129926187
The requests of the homeless to eat?

>>129926254
Most communist countries who have failed were because of foreign intervention.

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>>129926266
The homeless get fed well in America

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>>129926376
So it's an ideology that cannot stand up to any resistance?

>>129926266
Because soup kitchens don't exist, Do you honestly think anyone believes you when you say capitalism doesn't provide anything for the poor?

>>129926423
Not well enough sometimes, which could be mitigated by distributing what we produced. Fine, fair enough. What about the requests of the homeless to not be homeless? Sure, homeless shelters, but a man has a right to his own home

.>>129926475
It can, it's just that a few fell due to foreign intervention,and no country is willing to try again due to fear of falling. I bet if America (the instigator of Anti-Communism) switched, they'd be fine.

>>129925877
>lenin wrote about how stalin must be stopped from ascertaining more power or it would devastate russia
>mysteriously dies
>stalin comes into power

really activates my almonds

>>129926254
pretty much this

both systems are failures. the only good government is no government.

>>129926376
>>129926475
communism in north vietnam did pretty well. it united the whole country against the united states, which saw us as a evil invading force.

that being said bolshevik russia was still an evil shithole, and a state can not, and will not do will without a strong spiritual foundation.

>>129925877
Oh, before anyone plays the

>wats the incentive to hold a job xDDDD

card

There would be a lot less jobs to do because if you exit capitalism you will be able to use all of the technologies that we already have to produce lots of stuff pratically full-automatically. So there would be a lot less work required. That need can be satisfied by the people who really wants to do that job in their life (and that maybe now they can't do because of the market needs) and every loss of workers can be satisfied as we usually do in capitalism: everyone needs to work to live, so even if you don't like your job you have to spend some time (such as 2 hours a day because of the full employment :D) and do something you don't really like but then you have all of the products and care you need.

Now let me answer also with another question: what's the incentive to hold a job... nowadays?
What's the point of working in a factory with another thousand people for all of your life and live shittily anyway? Think also about it, not just about anti-communist propaganda.

>>129926964
>Someone, somewhere didn't get fed! Quick, fuck everyone over!"

>>129926964
So, now it's "a few" instead of "most". So, why did the other ones fail, comrade? I'm sure it wasn't because they all evolve into nightmarish dictatorships.

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>>129926964
>Not well enough sometimes, which could be mitigated by distributing what we produced
You can bring the food to the homeless, but you can't force them to eat. Sometimes their desires for drugs or alchohol outweight their desire for food.

>What about the requests of the homeless to not be homeless? Sure, homeless shelters, but a man has a right to his own home
They can work for it like the rest of us.

>and no country is willing to try again due to fear of falling
Pic related is the # of nations that have declared themselves socialist at some point, it's no fucking wonder no one wants to try again, look at what's happening to Venezuela right now.

>>129927154
>That need can be satisfied by the people who really wants to do that job in their life (and that maybe now they can't do because of the market needs)

The free market doesn't force you to do anything (unlike gulags). The words...

>so even if you don't like your job you have to spend some time (such as 2 hours a day because of the full employment :D) and do something you don't really like but then you have all of the products and care you need.

...Aren't the product of someone who is oppressed by capitalism, it's the words of someone who just has no ambition and no amount of governmental control will fix that for you.

>>129925877
>Distributing production already produced
You mean the government should seize private assets? Nothing tyrannical about that anon. I can see you really thought this though

>>129926547
It's not supposed to

>>129925877
>Tries to implement communism
>Companies and rich people leave and send all their money over seas to untouchable bank accounts
>Bank rush.Gif
>Banking sytem breaks
>All the jobs are gone
>All the money is gone
>All the food is gone
People turn on the commie agitators and end them all
/Communism in America
/Thread

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Hi comrades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcP7TRY178

>>129927955
Actually, one of the benefits of capitalism and the freemarket is that, as an economic powerhouse, it has a massive potential for charity. Every capitalist I've talked to mentions this and people in the U.S. still give massive amounts to charity every year; even though our capitalism has been tampered with significantly.

Even from an entirely self-serving standpoint, charity still has a place. You don't want people around driving up the gini coefficient and destabilizing society, because that affects everyone, including you.

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>>129927955
WTF is that even supposed to mean? Capitalism gives people the freedom to do what they want with their money and property, if they want to do nice things for homeless people that's capitalism at it's finest.

>>129927154
People like this legitimately don't understand how any economy works or have even the most basic grasp of economics in general.

Everyone who says "MUH TECHNOLOGY WILL PROUCE SO MUCH WE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE 90% UNEMPLOYMENT XD. " hasn't worked a shit necessary job in their entire life and has no idea what actually drives high levels of productivity.

>>129928609
but if they do that at their own will the commies won't have people to "save" from capitalists !

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>>129925877
>failed system keeps collapsing in countries that try it

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>>129928430

>charity

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>>129929636

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>>129925877
You, like your ideology, will perish.

itt: retards

>>129929636
Hilariously, I'm in no danger of being sent to a gulag, because I have a second amendment.

I'm going to be ecstatic when you idiots shoot yourselves in the foot enough times to wake people up and start throwing you shitheels from helicopters.

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>>129930658

kek, calm down snek.

>>129925877
Communism is stupid and can't work, libertarianism is stupid and can't work, the best system is a 50/50 balance between the two. Anarcho cap or com, can't work at all as soon as anarchy is involved everything goes to shit.

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>>129925877
not all communists
communism is an ideology of peace
communists that killed 20 million russian were not real communists
most communists never had anything to do with murdering someone
"Das Kapital" and other communists literature are not to be taken literally.
Anyone that takes them literally is not a real communists and thus should not be defined as one.

>>129926475
You mean just like how Rhodesia couldn't stand up to outside forces?

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>>129930658
Hero of the Imperium


>>129925877
>Capitalism is not the best system

Here's where you fucked up.

>What about distributing the production that we already produce to fulfill the requests that capitalism just can't fulfill?

And we'll just leave out the anti-religious aspect, the fact you can't own a home, the fact Marxism is so outdated that all transportation and communication is supposed to be in the hands of the government(including phones and cars),the fact it historically was the root of the famines in the countries it was implemented,the fact that fulfilling anything with a command economy is cumbersome and inefficient etc

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>>129932117

Capitalism is:

Inefficient

Unstable

Inhumane

reactionary

coercive

Communism is:

Efficient

Stable

Humane

onward

Harmonious

>>129926475
>So it's an ideology that cannot stand up to any resistance?
ITT every country has the same size, the same military power, and the same hard and soft influence over the world.

>>129931858
Yeah, what's your point?

>>129925877
>doesn't know what incentives are

>>129932398
It's only as efficient as those running it dipshit. Let's take a look at efficiency of govt vs private projects
>900 gorrillion dollar Healthcare website
>300 dollar office toilet seats
Etcetcetc

>>129932398
You keep posting this, and you keep getting btfo every time.

>harmonious, after the initial purges perhaps? Or after the routine famines kick in like they did every other decade in the USSR? Or Venezuela style perhaps? Maybe it's the hyper active secret polices and their executions.

>so efficient the USSR only reached 60% of the GNP of the USA at it's height in the mid 70's?

Let me ask you, are you going to be the one to seize your grandfathers home when the revolution comes?

>>129927154
>muh automation!
Bullshit. If we could achieve such level of automation we would have already acheived it.

>>129925877
Communism is the belief that your labor is the product of society and if you labor more than another he owns more of your labor.
It is an ideology of slavers and thieves.

Congratulations you've stumbled in to moron land.

>>129933956
Ironically, the USSR was far behind in automation. The reason being incentive- there was no incentive other than production itself to improve logistics and organization. They'd have these massive warehouses of goods standing by, which costed them money to keep stored(inefficient). Then they kept producing outdated equipment, because they'd lose money/production if they switched factory lines to a new product as frequently as Japan or the US, and they ended up having decades old equipment because they didn't have a price/wage mechanic to ensure a steady flow of the most advanced goods. It made the worker work harder just to keep up.

>>129934135
>Capitalism is the belief that the worker's labor is the product of the capitalist and if he labors more than another the capitalist owns more of his labor.
>It is an ideology of slavers and thieves.

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>>129932398
Communism, so efficient that it collapses in on itself after a few decades!

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>>129925877

>we can just divide up what we make now, until the end of time?

Once again the commie shows his complete lack of understanding of economic calculation, what the fuck it's for and why it matters.

It's the crying 4 y.o who thinks it's not fair someone else has a slightly larger piece of cake than him, and would rather see everyone cakeless out of pure childish spite. You fucking cunts are a scourge that needs to be exterminated.

>>129925877
>> SHUT UP YOU FILTHY COMMIE IF YA WANNA BE COMMIE JUST GO TO SOVIET UNION YO ARSE
Your choices have been narrowed to Venezuela (better hurry), North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, China...You know the paragons of Asian and Caribbean cultures.

The reason Communism never worked and never will work is the "Knowledge Problem" of Moses and Hayek. There is no man, no ten thousand men, no matter how smart, who know as well as the free market how much of a given commodity or consumer good is required at a given place at a particular point in time.

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>>129930658
HELICOPTERS HELICOPTERS HELICOPTERS

kys

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the authoritarian nationalist capitalism worked in my country but gommunism made the currency worthless, everyone was poor, people had to steal and there were shortages and no variety of goods. most advanced industrial design were shitty western product copies behind of their time. fuck off nigger.

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>>129935004

What are computers for?

Economic calculation problem.

gg

>>129925877
>What about distributing the production that we already produce
Do you even know what that means or are you just saying buzzwords?

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>>129935262
Something Commies are too dumb to use apparently.

>>129935371

http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~greg/publications/ccm.IJUC07.pdf

>>129925877
oh god another one of these kids

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>>129935036
Better picture.

I prefer actually having rights over mooching.

>>129925877

Marxism doesn't work. "Real" Communism HAS been tried, many times, and it led to the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people who were not even involved in fighting.

>>129935987
mine actually happened

>>129925877

then why doesn't communism ever work? oh right. because "muh 1%" find a way to the top regardless at the expense of everybody else, no matter what utopian pie in the sky bullshit system that sounds so fair in your head.

>m-my particular b-brand of c-c-communism hasn't been tried yet!!!!!

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Please, go ahead and implement communism. Find a country where everyone is willing and change the system. If it's an ideology that works, and provided there are no mitigating factors, we'll be proven wrong and most of the world may switch.

But that's not going to happen. Every country that has gotten anywhere near communism or socialism has fallen. If you move to that country and invest everything you have in it, you will die in poverty, along with everyone else who thought (((communism))) was viable.

>>129935184
The best argument against communism is the people who survived it

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>>129932398
>Efficient
>Stable
>Humane
>onward
>Harmonious
Looks like the communist manifesto is full of some good farytales.

>>129936479
>Pinochet born on November 25th
>Castro died on November 25th
humm...

>>129936553
>because "muh 1%" find a way to the top regardless at the expense of everybody else,
So capitalism doesn't work either then?

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>>129925877

>>129925877
Commie flags are cancer but at least you're not EU flags.

>>129937442

I'm saying it happens regardless of what system you have in place. There's always going to be somebody who has more than you.

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>>129926071
Kek

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>>129937442
Under capitalism the 1% can't force you to buy their shit. Also you can become the 1% with enough effort. Under communism you receive no such luxuries.

>>129926376

>b-b-but it's foreign intervention!

>Cuba

b-b-but it's trade embargoes!

>Venezuela

b-b-but it's not true communism/socialism/ideology of the month

And that's why you must board helicopters. You're mentally damaged.

>>129925877
Communism would work if *I* were in charge

>>129938238
>>Under capitalism the 1% can't force you to buy their shit.
Wait, how do you imagine you're "forced" to buy anything in communism?

>>129938238
>Also you can become the 1% with enough effort. Under communism you receive no such luxuries.
I can guarantee you that if you're such an exploiting scumbag and a general piece of shit that you need to be to become the 1% in capitalism, you'll also become the 1% in communism.

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>>129932398

Here's a pic of the efficient, stable, humane, onward and harmonious Venezuela. Look how they efficiently form a line to get their stable provisions. A humane way of ensuring that every citizen is able to put food on the table.

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>>129938532

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Another picture of glorious North Korea. They discovered that it's more energetically efficient to use as little electricity as possible.

>>129938532

Too bad we can't hear from the millions that Stalin killed

>>129938881
This has been debunked as Photoshop propaganda, just FYI.

>>129938913
Can you hear from the millions Obama killed?

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>>129938509
>Wait, how do you imagine you're "forced" to buy anything in communism?
They tell you what factory you work in and what your pay will be, you do what they say or they shoot you. The stores tend to be empty and any attempt to form competition leads to imprisonment.

>I can guarantee you that if you're such an exploiting scumbag and a general piece of shit that you need to be to become the 1% in capitalism, you'll also become the 1% in communism.
You're assuming that you need to be exploitive to become the 1% in capitalism.

>>129935517
Tell me this: how will the calculation know how valuable my labor is to me?

This is why I stopped being a degenerate commie. You assholes only have belief, not facts.

>>129925877

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
Communism fails both in theory and practice. There should never be any responses to these threads other than this.

>>129926266
Yeah cause so many people are starving here in burger land you monumental nincompoop

>>129939047
>They tell you what factory you work in and what your pay will be, you do what they say or they shoot you.
Lolwut, is that what they teach you in American schools or something? What the fuck?

>You're assuming that you need to be exploitive to become the 1% in capitalism.
Yes, how else will you steal people's shit if not by force or swindling?

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>>129939016
>This has been debunked as Photoshop propaganda, just FYI.
No, it hasn't.

>>129939255
Do you mistakenly believe that American capitalism is a closed system that is contained within the borders of the USA?

>>129939240
desu

>>129938532
>That one guy's comments about Stalinism means that is what it was most definitely like.

That is propaganda 101

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>>129939265
>Yes, how else will you steal people's shit if not by force or swindling?
By selling them stuff that they want.

>Lolwut, is that what they teach you in American schools or something? What the fuck?
Remember what happened to the Ukrainian farmers?

>>129939016

>This has been debunked as Photoshop propaganda

Where?

Also, not that guy, but use another president to represent capitalism, not that leftist nigger.

>>129938625
Rekt

>>129939378
You have food to eat?

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>>129939351
The more capitalist a nation is, the more prosperous it tends to be. Chile vs Venezuela, Eastern Europe vs Western Europe, Botswana vs Somalia and Ethiopia, Hong Kong vs China, Mexico vs USA, etc.

Yes goyim, give me all your wealth and I'll distribute it for you

>>129939016

>thinking that I'm about to defend Obama

Do you know where we are?

Seriously though, to his credit, Obama didn't routinely have his own people killed for disagreeing with him, and nobody in America starved to death as a result of his policies.

>>129939485
>By selling them stuff that they want.
Unless you sell it at a massive markup, which means you're either exploiting a LOT of people in the production chain, or are swindling the people buying it into thinking it's worth more than it is, you're not getting anywhere near 1% with that.

>>129939485
>Remember what happened to the Ukrainian farmers?
Remember what happened to the American slaves OMGWTFP0WNED.

>>129939516
>Also, not that guy, but use another president to represent capitalism, not that leftist nigger.
Oh really, did you change your constitution while he was in power? It's simply proof that capitalism coopts everything.

>>129939351
I really don't care what goes on outside the borders of the USA. As long as our soldiers are well equipped and the burgers are flowing.

>>129939707
>>The more capitalist a nation is, the more prosperous it tends to be.
Worked for Congo.

>>129939618
Barely

>>129939833
>nobody in America
See >>129939351

>>129939877
Then don't speak of a system that you don't know anything about.

>>129939826
Here you go. Chile was much better under Allende, right?

>>129939970
Oh dear.

Capitalism died when the 1950s ended

Now it's corrupted and not even capitalist, the elites are socialists among themselves

>>129926964
>Not well enough sometimes
>sometimes
Compared to communist nations where most people in general aren't fed well enough most of the time?

>>129939855
>Oh really, did you change your constitution while he was in power?

I'm not American, but do you really believe they respect the constitution 100%? The founding fathers are probably very fucking disappointed.

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>>129939894
Congo is on the lower end of economic freedom, having worse economic freedom than China currently has.

>>129940036
How can you even get that from my post you retard

>>129940036
Ah yes, Chile, the capitalist utopia where they privatized natural water sources, so now millions of people don't have running water anymore.

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>>129939970
Do you think when this is all over the Venezuelans will become free market capitalists? Or will they make the same mistakes?

>>129940034
Redistribution is all i need to hear to know it's horse shit.

>>129926423
Sorry, you are wrong. If you are homeless, you don't pay rent so your food benefits get cut.
So the homeless tend to congregate in areas where charities are. This causes police roundups and camp demolitions, simply because they want to be near a food source.
The most beaten down and mentally ill (the neediest) retreat from this and starve to get away from the police and the other homeless, who are often thieves.
Affordable housing isn't available since we only give new section 8 vouchers to single moms (our government pays women to run men off, news at 11).

>>129940317
Chile is the most developed nation in South America, what are you talking about.

>>129940220
>>I'm not American, but do you really believe they respect the constitution 100%?
So basically capitalism failed even in the USA?

If not, then someone's going to have to explain the "goals" of capitalism so we can determine how successful it was.

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>>129940317
Chile currently has the strongest economy in South America, is on the high end of the human development index, and is one of the most free economies south of the American border.

>>129926964
>what about the homeless
Most homeless people are mentally ill invalids and drug addicts... you don't really stay homeless for long in the USA unless there's something REALLY wrong with you.

Are marxists aware that they want to bring the total collapse of civilization?

Have they ever actually considered what it would take and what would happen if their utopias were actually implemented?
What mental illness you must have to justify this is beyond me

>>129940561
This

>>129940521
And yet its people are literally dying from dehydration and have to go weeks without washing their hands. Funny way of determining "success" isn't it.

>>129940603
Noooooo, communism is about peace, you guys must have it so bad being capitalist.

>>129926964
Homeless in America are by will most of the time. Especially here in California, San Diego is fucking crawling in homeless that are given chance after chance, place after place, to get their shit straightened up, free haircuts, free showers, free suits, free meals, free houses, free internet connection, and they either don't do it or they're so fucked up they leave immediately.

We have a nurse shortage, but there's plenty of programs to encourage more nurses, including tuition coverage, but there's simply not enough people going into the field. You'd have to import (Which we already do) or force conscription for nurses, and let me tell you, conscripted nurses don't do well trying to tend to the mental welfare of people so fucked in the head that they want to sleep on a sidewalk, drinking and injecting drugs while eating food out of the trash, instead of take on any of our programs.

>>129940603
What do you imagine the current "neoliberal with Asian values" utopia will bring?

>>129940486
>So basically capitalism failed even in the USA?

I think it's more precise to say that it's imperfect constitution allowed for the slow but constant erosion of individual liberties.

>>129940034

Where were the famines and food shortages that were a direct result of Obama's policies?

>>129940667
lmao fucking what?

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>>129940667
Except for the part where that is not true.

>>129925877
You forgot the part where that production is stolen by force by the government and millions die of starvation.

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>>129938532
>Stalin save the world from fascism
Explain how is that "save the word"
>under his rule was no unemployment
Yeah, because anyone who could be unemployed was dead or stuck in a gulag.
>We had free education and health care
I guess how the quality would have been.
>He was a great man
Well, I can't argue against this, he kill a lot of commies

>>129940808
What the fuck is this Croatian seriously talking about? Water crisis?

>>129940770
Ah, yes, two wrongs equals one right!

How could I forget?

>>129940757
With that said, you need people who care about their fellow countrymen to become a nurse or doctor to help people. If you're cold to the people that you share a nation with, you're not going to help anyone. Apathetic hands might be able to get minimal results from a factory, but not from mental welfare.

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>>129925877

Cant you silly commies just advocate for robotic technology that will eliminate nearly all human labor jobs thus making a socialist state or communist country an absolute necessity thus negating the need for debate?

NOOO! Let's just rant about the ideology that as it stands, turns people into slaves of the state for lack of previously mentioned technology which has thus always lead directly to it's downfall.

Why do I sometimes feel like the only intelligent person alive???

>>129926266
America has fat homeless people you retard

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>>129929168

Yep, we have had mass automation and prosuction for 30 years now.

Food has never been cheaper. Older technology is nearly free, but still enjoyable. More and more games are free to play, backlog video media is available streaming for next to nothing.

Each generation is infinitely morewealthy than the one before it but it will never be enough. I don't know what more people want from the system.

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>>129925877
>distributing the production that we already produce

That's called stealing, commie.

Not only is it unjust, it also removes any incentive for people to produce good work.

You are a parasite upon society and should be treated as such.

>>129927347
>homeless people don't have it that bad! they eat well most of the time! their problems are small and unimportant in a first world country like America.
>what, feed them all? That'd ruin us all.

Sensing a slight contradiction here.

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>>129940926
There is no water crisis, he's literally making stuff up out of thin air to pretend that Chile is some third world hellhole like his oh so wonderful socialist nations.

>>129932398
Where's the argument?

>>129941129
The Christian thing is to just let it rot, rats are people too.

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>>129940603
>What mental illness you must have to justify this is beyond me

It is not mental illness, it is actual rational thinking when you understand where the commie is coming from.

Commies are the losers of society, people who are so stupid, weak and worthless that they cannot compete in a free market.

Therefore their only hope is to destroy everything and bring everyone down into the dirt with them.

>>129941084
I had seen the homeless people in america being cleaner than our people with house here.

>>129940926
He's talking shit out of his ass

Water and natural resources are getting a bit too expensive but that's just false information

>>129926266
I used to be broke and homeless and I had just as much food back then as I have now and I own a house now.

>>129925877
>What about distributing the production that we already produce to fulfill the requests that capitalism just can't fulfill?
>So we'll let a party hack centrally plan the economy
>Mass famine ensues
And this happened how many times now but idiots are still lining up to try again? Just move to Venezuela.

>>129941405
>Commies are the losers of society, people who are so stupid, weak and worthless that they cannot compete in a free market.
ALL OF THIS
I usually just say ignorant, stupid and/or social resented people though.

>>129941495
"Water crisis in chile". Seriously, how does that work, you guys live next to the ocean.

>>129941495
Are you at risk of getting shot if you tell us the truth? Or just imprisoned? How bad is it at this point?

>>129925877
>What about distributing the production that we already produce to fulfill the requests that capitalism just can't fulfill?
Because that ignores human nature.
Communists don't understand humans at all.

>>129941613
desu we will be happy to kill any foreign commie after we are done with the ones here.

>>129940377

If you have no income then you get a full food stamp allowance.

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>>129941795
Chile has some of the best quality of life in the Americas, what the fuck are you talking about.

>>129940377
Building more prisons would solve that problem. The homeless get a place to live and food to eat, society gets rid of its garbage.

>>129941789
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/sep/15/chile-santiago-water-supply-drought-climate-change-privatisation-neoliberalism-human-right

>>129941974
desu, I think you're already better than argentina at this point.

>>129942042

https://archive.is/slVYK

>>129941795
I take 20 minute showers every day

>>129942127
I understand. Let's hope you don't get surprised by the substance exiting the showerhead any time soon. Long live the World Bank!

>>129942042
Even with that "water crisis" they are doing fucking fine with their water supply. We on the other hand get constant interruptions in the water supply. So fuck off with that shit.

>>129942247
>This is what communists actually believe

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>>129925877
Fuck off commie

>>129925877
Yes, Ivan! Take me to your bread lines! Worked before, dinit?

As fucking weird as most ancap are I will have those guys any time rather than fucking commies.

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>>129942247
You DO realize that worker cooperatives are allowed in capitalism, right?

>>129942365
>doing fucking fine

>Today the scene is radically different. The grass in the wetland is weak and brittle, and the lagoons have disappeared. Where animals once grazed, now dusty roads lead to houses owned by people who work in the nearby mining town of Calama (and either live here and commute to Calama or use these homes on weekends), and a few shepherds lead their animals through xerophytic grass (locally known as grama) coated with a layer of salt. This radical change was driven by the privatization process, which created a surplus of water for the mining industry.

http://www.bioone.org/doi/full/10.1659/MRD-JOURNAL-D-14-00033.1

>>129942575
Oh no, change, so terrible. I'm sure they're not mining anything important though. Mining is in fact useless in modern society btw.

>>129942575
I'm gonna wait for the Norwegian bot.

>>129940757
Homeless shelters and halfway houses often have rules made by religious zealots or recovery nazis that treat epileptics and the mentally ill in abusive ways.
The pharmaceutical drugs for seizures are based upon benzodiazepine and barbiturate molecules, and will make you fail a drug test.
They throw you out of the house, keeping the money you paid that month as "a household contribution" because you do not get a conventional lease and have few rights.
Often, you lose most of your belongings in the deal as well. FUCK HALFWAY HOUSES!

>>129942575
I am now convinced that you are retarded.

Look at the south of chile, google it.

No shit the desert is a dry place

>>129942937
Sure pal

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>>129942575
>"The privatization was carried out in stages, beginning with the five largest of the 13 regional water companies serving more than 75% of users. Because of the staging, it is possible to compare the performance of the privatized and public utilities at that time. This comparison shows that from 1998 to 2001 private companies invested substantially more than public companies and - unlike the public companies - increased their labor productivity significantly. Tariffs increased for both types of companies, but more so for the privatized ones. However, according to one study, 'in Chile a social consensus emerged that has made the higher water rates acceptable given the improvements in service quality and the addition of new services such as wastewater treatment.'"
Now I'm wondering why the USA doesn't get privatized water. Thank you anon, I didn't know Chile was so based.

>>129942941
BUT DUDE THE DESERT IS CAUSE CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!1

You know what's actually bad? To STEAL the land of someone to do NOTHING with it. Now that's a true crime.

Also people are against privatization of water because of the "evil businessman" boogeyman and economic disparity, not some made up water crisis holy fuck

I think it`s time to refresh our beliefs. Neocommunism when?

>>129942042

I don't know about that article nor its validity, but it just says some things that are like nails on a chalkboard to me.

>the privatization of water has kept prices unnecessarily high, delivered poor service and done little to address concerns over insufficient supply in the future.

How can a private company on a free market keep on going selling a shitty product at a high price? It doesn't make any fucking sense. Imagine if I entered the computer market selling literal shit at high prices, how can I even compete?

>A government body – the Water Directorate – is meant to be in charge of water planning, but Barton says it has no control over water, “beyond basically giving it away to private owners”.
>a government body

Oh, there you have it, a government body. Yeah, I'm sure it's there doing no managerial work, like giving the rights over water bodies to their tycoon friends.

>By declaring water a “public good”, it said, the proposed reforms had “a clear intent on expropriating [private] water rights”.

Expropriation, what could go wrong? Yes, I'm sure it will beat scarcity.

>>129943026
>>Now I'm wondering why the USA doesn't get privatized water.
Because you don't have to expand inward yet, you can still just exploit your colonies. You've been inventing numerous ways to steal the commons from your people since forever though, so this will happen eventually too.

>>129943293
get fucked

>>129943321
Keep avoiding answering what you don't have an excuse for, pal.

>>129943350
After you, good sir.

>>129943301
>>How can a private company on a free market keep on going selling a shitty product at a high price?
Well, when you literally need the product to survive, and it has a local monopoly on it...

>like giving the rights over water bodies to their tycoon friends.
Which is why things like natural resources should never be privatized in the first place.

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>>129925877
>capitalism is not the best system
lol wat

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>>129943321
>you can still just exploit your colonies
LOL, "colonies".

>>129943321
>You've been inventing numerous ways to steal the commons from your people since forever though

I've never seen wealth extraction machines like the populist countries in South America, and the supposedly communist countries like Cuba, Venezuela, NK, and so on

>>129943480
nah fuck off

>>129943553
Exactly

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>>129943480
>good sir
Fucking gross, dude

>>129943301
Because the corporations are colluded and they all have the same high prices, there is no alternative

They get away with it because of no regulations and only recently have people called them out on it

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>>129943301
The Chilean water crisis isn't a matter of greedy companies, it's a lack of water. And, as >>129943026 shows, had the Chileans not privatized their water services, the water crisis would be far worse than it is right now.

So basically, Croatia commie is full of shit.

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>>129925877
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKoalZCSMPE&list=LLqm0Q-XmsHWX_Gklk-NAUAw&index=59

>>129943821
Some recent examples are big pharmaceutical companies and toilet paper companies(I don't even)

>>129943484

>Well, when you literally need the product to survive, and it has a local monopoly on it...

Then it will be charged at a higher price, since it is a very scarce resource. The price it'll charge will be such that it makes you as consumer buy it and forego other options like other water sources, like bottled water, other technologies like condensers, filters, etc. In a free market, of course.

Make it public and you'll just waste water since you won't have a price mechanism to allocate resources (what price should I charge the water and why? How much should I invest and why? etc.) PLUS a bureaucracy to maintain. And we know the public sector is full of that.

>Which is why things like natural resources should never be privatized in the first place.

Au contraire, they should be privatized. Efficient resource allocation and, if property rights are truly respected, pollution should also decrease.

>>129925877
You want to know why capitalism has succeeded, and will continue to succeed, where Communism has failed? Capitalism requires humans to be selfish to work, and Communism requires then to be selfless. It is built around the truth that humans are greedy bastards who rarely care about things that don't effect them. You can't create a political system that relies on everyone having an ideal nature, because it's just wishful thinking. The closest anyone has come to it was Nazi Germany, who all loved Hitler more than their own families.

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>>129926266
It's the duty of man to feed his neighbor. It's not the duty of the state. The fact of the matter is people push responsibilities to the state because they aren't good enough people to go forth and do good deeds them self.

>>129942920
i knew some were that bad, and I think that's where the nurse shortage comes in. With more nurses it'd be covered for, rather than just "Woops, it came back positive, onto the streets you go."

>people implying that comunism didn't work

It worked but the only problem was that it was slower than capitalism because of no indebting to Jews

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>>129925877
omg bro that is. so. true!
Give infinite resources away without compelling people to compete for those resources and advance (1). That worked so well in Africa.

>>129938509
> Wait, how do you imagine you're "forced" to buy anything in communism?
(1) If you are giving it away people will take it. the demand will outstretch supply. People will not strive for alternatives because they are too busy trying to keep up with demand.

OPs proposition is so simplified that you can't guage any of the details.

Commies keep using simple arguments to imply that the solution is simple. AND THEREFORE YOU ARE DUMB FOR NOT DOING IT! It is not.

ffs. Think about what you are proposing and come up with better ways of explaining it to others.

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>>129942247

>>129948005
Proven facts right there, from Ford onward we knew that treating your employees like garbage is a quick way to fail.

>>129925877
>> "Capitalism is not the best system but when we try to think at something else we can't work out anything!!!1!"

The other thing is over the past 10,000 years we had as the predominant world system:

primitive communism then
slavery then
feudalism then
capitalism

Capitalism started taking hold in the 16th century and behan taking over until 1871.

By 1871 there were already working class parties, unions etc. In 1871 the workers took over Paris for over two months. In 1917 communists took over the Russian empire (and Hungary for a time, and tried to seize power across Europe). In 1945 all of eastern Europe was communist, the largest political party in France was communist, and so on.

Like the other economic systems, capitalism will fall, and a more progressive economic system will take over. Socialism or barbarism.