Simply chickens coming home to roost, look at his policy positions

>>129920060
Which of his policies justified shooting him?

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>>129920203
pro 2A

>>129920060

because if he dies on the table hes going to be a fucking martyr reeeeetard

>>129920262
One Bernie supporter is dead. It seems like constitutionalists come out on top here.

>>129920262
You people are so bad at this. The 2A means to fight a tyrannical government. The fact is the only thing you guys are upset about is you lost a democratic election. That's not tyranny, that's our Republic. Also, please start taking shooting lessons, 50 shots, five hit, pathetic.

>>129920781
We'll see if the GOP billionaire globalist servant survives

>>129920060
You don't
Neither of us should

>>129921114
/thread

>>129921158
Your a democrat arguing against globalization... Fuck, how retarded are you? Or are you just black?

>>129920262
Liberals are bad at this.

Much like saying hurtful things doesn't turn people against the 1st amendment, people using guns nefariously doesn't turn people against the 2nd amendment.

Freedom has its benefits and pitfalls.

>>129920262
This bitch is retarded, it is so we don't get rounded up in camps and killed like so many before us. No one goes around shooting democratic leaders, even though it is very tempting.

>>129921114
Wow I thought I was bad with a non zeroed scope....

>>129921606
maybe he is being ironic

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>>129921948
>No one goes around shooting democratic leaders

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>>129921606
Republicans are the globalists

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>>129921114
now all the sudden tyranny is subjective

>>129920060
>why I am supposed to care about this
because the pendulum swings both ways...

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>>129922096
That dude was crazy though.

>>129922044
Right? That's awful.

>>129922289
Here's a good standard to identify tyranny or not tyranny:

If you get to freely elect the people who pass your laws and can replace them if you convince enough people to your side, NOT tyranny.

Grow the fuck up fag.

>>129922314
And people on the other side can hit their targets.

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>>129922998
republicans told me obama was tyrannical

>>129922161
Both parties are globalists you utter moron.

>>129920060

>when you're so retarded you justify using a constitutional right you don't believe in to put down a "tyrant" whose crime is not supporting rights that are not in the constitution

Kys

>>129920676
no worries, doctor jack sava is here to save the day

>>129922161
Don't you know one of your leaders is Charles (((Schumer)))? Who admitted on the Iran deal that he was torn between America's interests and Israels? This Republican vs Democrat false dichotomy is what (((they))) want.

>>129923207
And you and your friends thought they were idiots, right? But now you do the same thing when a Republican is in office? Hypocrisy and emotional retardation, that's what you are.

>>129920060
To be fair, it is pretty hypocritical of Scalise to try and take away people's healthcare, then whine like a bitch and demand top-notch expensive healthcare for HIMSELF as soon as HE needs it...

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>>129923753
Obama wasn't tyrannical though. Steve Scalise was.

Source: Republican logic

>>129923207
He was moving things to become more tyrannical, considering there was a blackmail database being made, increased spying, executive orders everywhere, and a media that would say he dindu nuffin.

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>>129924027
yep

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>>129920060
I'm looking at them OP. Pic for (You)

>>129922471
Thanks. Been looking for that one for months.

>>129920060
because people are going to shoot back, retard, and then the whole jig is up

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>>129924285
>, executive orders everywhere,

>>129920060
He was a wicked cunt, perhaps the right wing will see this as gods will.

>>129924264
Hyper retardation is a sad thing to witness.

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>>129924545
I know

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>>129920060
I'm looking at this one too OP. Have another (You)

>>129920262
>if necessary

>>129924648
You still have made no point in this entire thread backing your claims. You are either legitimately retarded or fucking around. My money is on your retarded.

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>>129924964
>My money is on your retarded.

>>129920060
Probably because if it keeps, Trump folks might come after you?

Just saying. You know, the whole "Chickens" and "Roosting" stuff?

>>129922161
I know you are just being pretend retarded
because not even democrats are this retarded

>>129922998
Do you not consider plutocracy to be tyranny?

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>>129925670
Yeah, that's why we voted against another fucking Clinton.

>>129920060
he dies................. DEMs die,
its that simple the first shots been fired, its time to drag RESISTERS and DEMs from their cars and homes and be made to pay for his death

Death to the the DNC!

>>129924465
He also dismantled most of Obama's. Executive orders are okay, but they have to be within executive power. Obama was overreaching.

>>129920060
So this guy will win every re election from now on?

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>>129925960
Trump is overreaching.

>>129920060
LARPers need to try harder. Commies need to move to Venezuela

>>129920262
>this is the only response
telling

>>129922161
>republicans are the globalists
>democrats are the racists
kek

>>129926053
fuck you Washington, seriously FU go play basketball outside please

>>129923253
This. Fuck politicians.

>>129920060
So you would've been okay with Sanders getting shot? Do you really want to live in a world where politicians who are not doing what you like is getting shot?
How short sighted are you? What if someone found out you had objectionable opinions and they felt that you should be shot?
You moron. You live by the sword you die by the sword.

>>129925689
So, your point against Trump, is that he wanted to hire someone who worked for one of, if not the most, powerful Democrats?

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>>129924695
I bet he follows OccupyDemocrats on Facebook.

>>129926053
Yes and every court they have been to was a liberal court. Only one court matters anyways.

>>129920060
cwb931 [3:28 PM]
Lmao the shooter guy in Virginia that shot up the baseball game was a Bernout holy shit how unfortunate for democrats
How bout them violent Trump supporters tho

>>129920060

>chickens
>tysons

GOOD ONE

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>>129921114
I'm a liberal and I acknowledge this too.

This goes for both sides desu.

There are very few Americans, an incredibly infinitesimal fraction that genuinely believe that the constitution should be upheld even when they personally don't benefit or are even disadvantaged by it.

If both sides were willing to put partisanship aside, they'd realize the snakes and leeches and charlatans in both their parties and take this nation back, they'd hold their representatives accountable rather than just buying into narratives one side or the other push.

They'd listen to policies rather than ideologues.

Liberals and Conservatives would realize that those dividing lines are literally 1984 type divisions such that a SOP-esque system of endless political strife can be profited from.

It speaks volumes that Conservatives vote against their interest in the short and long term and Liberals refuse to vote out politicians who themselves refuse to disavow corporate umbilical cords

>>129925670
Only if the people are opposed to it and have their power to decide taken away. Fact is, people could vote the plutocracy out, but they never do. If you elect them, and they take advantage of you, but you reelect them, that's not tyranny, that is stupidity of the masses.

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>>129926592
>Getting shot with a sword

>>129926744
Still, not an argument that Trump is more globalist than Democrats. Clinton got paid a lot of money by Goldman Sachs, Soros is the major founder of globalist policies and groups, Obama wanted an end to borders.

>>129926744
This makes Trump a tyrant, right? Do you remember what you were originally arguing? Of course not, you're a fucking idiot, but I just want to let you know.

>>129920262
Democrats are so retarded.
They probably lose a brain cell every time they say something stupid like this
The point of the second amendment is to fight a corrupt government (Aka a communist government or a dictatorship)
Not to shoot people you disagree with.
This is why I'm a republican and will stay republican.
Stupid shit like this

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>>129927478
Trump literally admitted that he's a globalist. He's slashing taxes for the wealthy.

>>129927285
There have been idiots who had bright ideas like the shooter did. It's important to remind these fools that they're not the first to think of this.

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>>129920060
b8

>>129925173
>le speeling eror meme

>>129925338
Literally quaking with fear. I am as free to exercise my second amendment as any frothing Trumper snowflake. I keep ol' Mossy at the ready for any nigger or right wing loon that would attempt to harm me or my family.

>>129927921
I don't think you know what globalism means.

>>129926996
Plato was right.
Democracy was a mistake.

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>>129928456
Trump admitted he's a globalist.

You're just a cuck.

>>129920060
Because you're next...

>>129921114
Hey that's the first thing I said
What a bad shot

>>129928628
Yet again, no argument, no proof, no intelligence. Please come up with something at least funny, this is getting tiresome and you are a terribly unentertaining shill.

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>>129928509
Glad I'm not the only one.

There will always be power accumulation at the top of a society, the only question is what kind of person will that be? And that question is answered based on the filter and criteria you put up.

If you make a society where people, the masses, choose the leaders, you get leaders who try to artificially fill out the expectations of those masses.

You get the world you deserve, I suppose.

>>129922289
So who did those people shoot? They're free to bitch and moan all they want, just like the MSM is free to bitch and moan all they want about Trump being Hitler. But when you say 'No, seriously guys, Trump is literally Hitler's second coming and you have to go kill him and all his supporters please do it' and then people start taking you up on that, maybe its time for some self reflection.

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>>129928963
Trump admitted he's a globalist. Lol are you slow?

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>>129928971
The Constitution was great so long as people respected it. But even politicians who say they are Constitutionalists openly ignore it. When the law is not respected by those responsible for passing and enforcing the law, society needs new laws and system of enforcing them.

>>129929150
Ah yes, I remember it clearly in his 'Obama is literally Hitler, I'm shooting these people because I hope they're related to him' and how it was met with cheers of applause and justified by the MSM.

>>129929055
Again, you are not actually giving evidence of globalist ideology. You give pictures of articles about Trump hiring someone or praising Israel, but none of that is inherently globalist. You really need to get some Hooked-on-Phonics and edumacate yourself.

>>129920060
The greatest suffering working class in America faces is being forced to live around niggers and spics. Anyone supporting immigration is opposed to the working class, period.

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>>129929740
you're in denial that Trump admitted he's a globalist. Is that what this is about?

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>>129920060
>chickens coming home to roost.

>>129920262
This shooter was an arm of tyranny. He wasn't fighting it, he was trying to help it. The democrats are the party of authoritarianism.

By your logic, we should be killing Obama and Clinton for the suffering they wrought upon millions of people in the US and the world.

>>129930088
So, he wants to make money = globalist? You really don't have any idea what you're talking about. Why don't you just post or link to where he said he is a globalist? So, now it's not just Russia, but every topic, Democrats are going to ignore facts and debate and rely solely upon sinister innuendo?

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>>129929393
Solid point, I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said, upon ratifying the constitution, "[you have] a republic- If you can keep it"

Well beyond even that, it's used as a wrapper, an excuse to do certain things and then it's ignored when they want to go against it or neglected altogether.

It's a classic case of people ignoring the spirit of the Magna Carta: that no citizen is above the law in letter or spirit.

Congress on both sides of the aisle have turned the Constitution into a mandate of heaven, a tangible document that they themselves write giving arbitrary moral superiority to whichever group they want.

Blacks who commit the majority of gun crimes in the US? Democrats let those slide more often to maintain votes and favor by passing new regulations or abolishing others.

Police officers who abuse their power and are protected by their less abusive but equally complicit brothers-in-arms? Can't touch them because they vote Republican.

Morality needs to exist beyond the deliberation of any decision of men. Religion was great for this for a time, partially because it theoretically had laws and principles you COULD NOT BEND and therefore some openings for good men and women to make a case that all faithful would have to adhere to should their theological arguments check out. But now, in this secular age, most politicians seem to be flagrantly nihilistic in their moral character

>>129920060
Perhaps he will learn not to ruin pizza parties.

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>>129930560
Trump is a servant of the billionaire globalist class. He admitted he's a globalist. Your only argument is that you are a cuck.

Agreed

>>129930422
Yes we should

>>129930560
Well he's certainly shown very little with his actions to suggest he's anything other than an opportunist for himself.

I don't know if he's personally dedicated to the globalist agenda, I just think he's in it (the Presidency) for himself, either financially or even just out of his own ego

>>129931042
So... no link to where he says he is a globalist? Didn't think so, try harder next time, faggot.

>>129920060
How a criminal decided to do criminal things as causation for civil unrest? Wow, you are stupid.

>>129931408
lol now your argument is that you're a retard who denies things that happened?

>>129931042
say the guy who supports democrats taking big donation jew money

>>129931667
And you're just a retard.

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>>129930029
fucking this

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>>129931042
Stay mad

>>129928628
Sauce

>>129931363
Nobody including Trump actually though he was going to win. That O-shit look on his face when they announced him the winner says it all.

Every underestimated just how jaded American are with the current political system.

>>129924264
pretty sure mass surveillance is tyrannical

just because scalise does not want to pay for your free shit does not mean he is tyrannical

>>129931363
He ended TPP, pulled out of Paris, trying to block immigration (going all the way to the Supreme Court), got Canada and Mexico to agree to renegotiate NAFTA, has protected and advanced coal mining. These are not globalist actions. Do I think he is a pure Nationalist without any more globalist ideas? No, and I think Ivanka and Jared push him in that direction, but he is far more a nationalist than a globalist, especially compared to other American politicians.

>>129922096
He was legitimately insane he also killed a republican federal judge and 16 other innocent people on a wealthy part of Tucson

Aka republicans

>>129931667
I know your a fucking leaf nigger

>>129931667
If they happened, you should have no trouble proving it. I'll wait, take your time.

>>129932052
Sounds like class warfare to me

>>129920060
Because you, the left cuck, have drawn first blood. Remember this as the taste of dirt and blood fills your mouth; as you breathe your last acrid breath in the bottom of the ditch. You started this

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>>129930773
>Morality needs to exist beyond the deliberation of any decision of men. Religion was great for this for a time, partially because it theoretically had laws and principles you COULD NOT BEND and therefore some openings for good men and women to make a case that all faithful would have to adhere to should their theological arguments check out. But now, in this secular age, most politicians seem to be flagrantly nihilistic in their moral character
He's right, you know.

>>129932368
No go read some of his ramblings the dude was nuts

Like Eliot Rodgers tier wirhout his weird obsession on his sister getting plowed

>>129920262
Killing an innocent person is NOT what that amendment is for.

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>>129920060
Those chickens will get you eventally, says Wesley Snipes.

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>>129926996
>liberal
Gas

>>129932175
InfoWars 3-5 LIVE - Trump Admits He's A Globalist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJKKrEyjMZs

>>129920060
Because this man is about to become a martyr and that means being a leftist or part of the MSM is going to become bad for your health in the coming weeks

>>129932508
I'm not arguing for a return to religiously or faith driven morality but one arrived at once we, as a people, conclude on shared values.

Take Compassion for example. You can build a law and code of ethics under the banner of Compassion because people understand what Compassion is. It is essentially rational empathy with a desire to mitigate the suffering in the world. That is a human emotion that most people feel by default and can be understood to be.
>>129932006
>TPP
He barely understood it, he mainly gave a big win to China's economic strength and dominance but he did it because he promised his base

He pulled out primarily as a promise to his Base
>Paris
Even more symbolic than the TPP, a largely empty promise that was simply the US saying we care about the environment and we care about lowering our emissions. Nothing in the the Paris agreement itself dictated how we needed to lower our emissions or by how much. Those would be self-set goals.

He could literally renegotiate it on the spot saying our expected emission drop would be lower or that we were going to pursue lower emissions some way other than carbon tax.

He pulled out to please his base so they would say he's great

>Trying to block immigration
To what end? Like our immigration policy is one of the strictest on this planet earth, the number of actual 'fence jumpers' are small compared to normal overstayed visas. And don't even get me on how strict our vetting process for refugees has always been.

We're not Europe, we have always (even during Obama's administration) been fairly strict about who we let in. We have fairly rigid standards for normalization too

Again, a promise to his Base. I'm not even against stricter border security but a wall, a physical wall is wasteful as hell. Not very conservative for a 'conservative'

>NAFTA
It's nice he wants to renegotiate it, I'll give it up on this one

>>129932609
>innocent
>corporate, anti-worker politician

Choose one and only one. That being said, you either have a proper revolution or you change shit through democratic means.

>>129933862
>coal jobs
So instead of pushing America into the future and making it MORE independent with Nuclear and green energy, and even funding carbon-cleansing tech for coal plants, he's just releasing regulations on them so they can stop worrying about the externalities of their power plants, which were generally put in place to try to protect the people living near those plants?

Not to mention that we export most of our coal to China. We could literally starve out their economy and make our own nation more technologically advanced and independent by shifting over to Green and Nuclear energy.

This was to please his base, but it's not necessarily the best thing for the coal workers themselves, let alone their children or their children's children

>>129933310
and in the same sentence he said he is a nationalist as well. And he has taken on Nationalist policy far more often than globalist policy.

>>129933862
You forgot to adress that he is protecting coalming to keep bis base happy aswell.

Coal is destructive and creates low paid and uncomfortable labour. All those towns who relied on coal died out for a reason.

His plans to actually expand coal mining are counter productive because he will creat ejobs, but thos ejobs are some of the shitties he can create.

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>5'5"

MANLETS

WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN???

>>129920262
>>129920060
what policies that imposed suffering on the middle class you beta cuck

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Bannon for prez lul OP

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>>129934292
So like I said this is all because you're in denial that Trump is a globalist

>>129934399
Well and by injecting money back into coal mining, he is only creating a brief moment before that money is picked up by an industrial robotics company that replaces the labor of 20-30 men with the work of 3-4 robotics manufacturing technicians.

Physical labor is always getting phased out, why not plan for the future of what humans will have a longer period of activity in (before that too gets automated) rather than sacrificing the environment for some political expediency

>>129935139
Exactly.

Green energy is not just hippie talk for the environment, it is also sustainable energy that future proofs the economy and delivers well paid jobs.

Drilling for Oil and Natural recources will increase in costs over time and if China manages to make their tertiary transision before the US manages to get ahead on technology and self sustainability, shit is going to look grim...

>>129935492
Nuclear energy is the greenest energy.

>>129935492
>sustainable energy that future proofs the economy and delivers well paid jobs

Which is why it's always government subsidized right? .... Because it's good for the economy?
No wonder you dumb fucks are becoming a Musdlime hellhole.

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>>129935492
I mean my feeling is that we have to start getting into heavy physicality and mental-oriented eugenics if we don't want to have mass genocide due to social bifurcation down the line.

Consider some simple trends:

>The skill and intelligence baseline for getting an okay paying job keeps going up (farming -> manufacturing -> robotics, AI design)
>AI gets more and more able to handle menial mental work
>Robots get more and more precise and commonplace in commercial manufacturing
>The least educated, least intelligent of societies reproduce the more and more, while the more intelligent and educated reproduce the least
>A lack of resources growing up leads to a lack of resources to be trained with or get into the economy with

>Ergo: The portion of people who are tangibly useful and capable in the modern economy keeps shrinking while the global population (with an inverse relationship to the standard of living) keeps growing.
>Conclusion: Social Bifurcation based on intelligence is inevitable, with the intelligent/rich being able to run all facets of society and the economy with robots and 0.1% of the population serving as technicians and ground-level engineers. They will rule or fight with the continually less-intelligent masses

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>/pol/ suddenly cares about some neoconservative globalist Zionist republicuck just because a Berntard shot him
If a neo-Nazi shot him you'd all be cheering.

When will you guys smarten up?

>>129923207
>passes a law asserting the government can kidnap you with no warrant, no charges, no bail, no notification of anyone
>not tyrannical

I was honestly surprised he stepped down

>>129935773
This.
Nuclear is, at the very least, the best transition technology until we get to high enough efficiency rates with Solar and Wind.

Nuclear will always have a place in the Energy Economy of the Future to fill the gaps where Solar and Wind fail.
>>129935926
It's subsidized by the government because they give a shit about phasing out fossil fuels.

That's like saying "Smoking tobacco is inherently superior to not smoking because the government taxes cigarettes more"

There are purposes for policy other than pure economics.

Our argument is that the government should be subsidizing nuclear installation and green energy research because the initial pain of the large upfront investment that few private organizations are willing to make these days will pay back not just financially and environmentally and geopolitically

>>129935773
Nuclear energy is a viable option, although the US doesn't have Uranium sources right?

>>129935926
Its less profitable as of now, hence the government has to subsidize it.

It subsidizes it because not every fuckign government employee and institution is in the fucking Illuminaty.

Theres gonna be a point where the private sector will see profit on grand scale in it, the problem is that there has to be some base and technology or else the shift wont be efficient and fast enough.

>>129936270
Yea, the Automation problem is one of the biggest problems of the future. I havent seen any real solutions yet tho.

Some people talk about Universal basic income but that would just make us slaves to our respective government by default.

>>129936649
Eh, it was more jsut going with the momentum that Dubya started.
Lefties didn't get what they wanted since he didnt try to go against it.
I didn't like it but I didn't consider it to be so unusual for the US government to do

>>129936761
>Theres gonna be a point where the private sector will see profit on grand scale in it,

When? Because they've been pushing that useless shit for decades now with even less payoff then before.
Subsidizing tech that only works half the time for decades while claiming it will be profitable.... someday..... really makes ya think.

>>129936761
There is no solution to automation.

The best we can do is use Eugenics to make sure that the only people who exist in the future are those AI/Robotics designers (top 0.0001 percentile of intelligent people right now) and those technicians who will maintain the robots (0.01 percentile of intelligent people right now).

Just prevent those who would only suffer from being born at all in the future.

It;s like my attitude with homeless people: I want to alleviate their suffering because my compassion compels me but I'd be emotionally indifferent whether they were taken care of or killed off. To me, it's the same net loss of suffering

>>129920262
>Hot piss takes

Why is no one pointing that out?

>>129926053
The constitution literally says the president can bar anyone he wants at his own discretion.

the 9th circuit court has an 80% rate of being overturned by the supreme court, because they hate the constitution and the American system.

>>129937230
>the 9th circuit court has an 80% rate of being overturned by the supreme court, because they hate the constitution and the American system.

Also based in California..... coincidence?

>>129937104
Green energy is pretty profitable in my neighborhood right now, I'm in Maryland.
My power company just started a solar farm and they said upfront that the cost would be higher for the first couple years to recoup the initial investment. It's only marginally more costly than the main line.

I mean the reason coal is cheap is because it is either automated already or the manual labor is incredibly cheap. It's like complaining that China is able to keep labor costs low because they barely pay their laborers. It's doable only so long as the standard of living for those people is so low

>>129920060

Exactly. For 60 years these faggots and white Christian pastors have flooded our countries with brown and black leftist scum. The Republicans wanted cheap labor and the Christians were cuckolds who wanted strong men to fuck their wives.

They're getting what they deserve.

>>129937104
If you really can't see the merit in sustainable clean energy then theres no reason to keep talking.

If you truely believe self sustainability and less reliance on recources that are going to run out eventually are a bad thing, don't even reply.

>>129937201
This will only work if you reshape the economic system in the process tho.

Profit without Consumers doesn't exist. And untill we reach the critical point anyway it will probably take hundreds of years.

>>129937618
>If you really can't see the merit in sustainable clean energy then theres no reason to keep talking.

Energy sources that require massive amounts of non-renewable resources to make is now sustainable.... How fucking stupid are you Akmed?
Outside of nuclear including Thorium reactors there is no energy future once the oil runs dry.

You can;t run a civilization from a power source that only works once in a while.

>>129920060
I hope libcucks keep pushing this, so they can be massacred in a civil war. My bloodthirst for white, leftist traitors is growing by the day. 1 traitor is worse than 1000 enemies. May this traitorous leftist vermin summoning the destruction of white countries hang and choke on gas by the millions. Revenge will be sweet.

>>129937477
>I mean the reason coal is cheap is because it is either automated already or the manual labor is incredibly cheap.
It's because of sunk costs and built-out infrastrcture, lad.

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>>129938007
>1 traitor is worse than 1000 enemies.

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>>129920060
>brain washed Bernout goes on rampage
>libs smears the guy he shot
>thinks this will help their cause
Good luck with the midterm elections faggots

Jesus H. Christ, I am tired of the nonstop fucking poltical circus bullshit going on right now with "Oh noes, politician was shot." Guarantee this is going turn into some new bullshit thing about how "We must all be united." or some new push for gun control. It's tragic someone was hurt, but come the fuck on, people get hurt all the fucking time, every fucking day. Tired of this shit being on the news, already, and i bet it will be all that's fucking debated at least the rest of the week.

>>129938001
What are you even...

The idea behind sustainable recource sit hat the recources you put in KEEP producing energy. Coal and Oil for example obviously don't.

Water, Solar and Wind plants will also be able to deliver energy at a grade thats more efficient and less wasteful with recources.

And dont tell me you actually believe Solar powerd things just go black once the sun is down....don't tell me you are this. fucking. retarded.

>>129932752
>Bomber Harris do it Again.

>>129938007
your roleplay is sweet like your ass you faggot

>>129938001
Imagine if there was a device that could hold power, and that we could somehow charge it. Then finally we could rely on the abundance of energy from the sun, sea and air.

Until that day, we'll just have to keep sucking Arab dick.

>>129938178
That too.

But, at least if you're leaning on the safe side of things, there's potential externalities with coal plants that harm the environments they're built around and potentially the whole planet.

So the question is what type of energy don't have those externalities and how much do we have to subsidize to bring the infrastructure cost down that private businesses will pick up the slack

I don't think that's a bad public project to spend taxpayer money on, given the benefits.
>>129937618
The consumers would be the technicians primarily but the issue of needing capitalism at all at that point is null. If you, as a social class, directly control the production of food, the extraction of minerals and the construction of infrastructure through robotics, as well as the manufacturing of more complex goods through the same means, why do you even need to sell to anyone, you can produce for yourself. You control, as a social class as a whole, the entire production and manufacturing process with no middlemen, you can treat yourself

>>129938001
I was just gonna say taht we use a mixed energy sector, with solar and wind picking up some portion while Nuclear covers the difference between what is green-produced and what is needed.
>>129938796
Large batteries are difficult to build, especially since most batteries lose their max charge over time almost regardless of the type of base material

>>129938800
True, but have fun trying to build a class concience of that and abolish private owership of the means of production on the way.

Sure it could turn out fine, but it is to be seen if people can actually make that shift or just fuck it up because of conflict.

>>129920781
I'm sure his plan was to kill multiple people and then live out a comfortable and prosperous life.

>>129938991
Battery technology is improving all the time, the evidence is in your pocket. As for large batteries, look no further than Tesla. The time to stop sucking the oil industries dick is coming to an end. Soon we'll have to come up with other ways to fuck up the planet.

>>129938991
Wouldn't batteries still be the more efficient and recource preserving alternative tho.?

In your expected worl especially, where theres obviously a global system due to one social concience, the sun shines 24/7 so to speak, its just about diverting energy.

>>129939017
>class conscience
could you expand what you mean by that?
>abolish private ownership
It'd be more contracts developed between private owners for greater gain. At that level, the mutual gain would be obvious to any individual intelligent enough to develop those technologies.

People won't have an option, the entire plan hinges on a willingness of the government to sterilize lower intelligence and other nondesirable qualities from the gene pool

>>129938639
even the moderates are ready.

soon.

>>129939328
That's possible too. IF you were willing to build a worldwide energy infrastructure, you could build a band of solar cells around the equator, constantly diverting energy from that to the population centers

>>129920060

OP one of the victims was a lobbyist. That should tell you everything.

The elites should fear the people.

>>129938800
>private business
>public project
I don't see why private business needs, or should be, involved. Simply allow the US government to issue new money to buy the panels and, if you really must have a grifter in there somewhere, hire a contractor to install them. If you've ever had electricity service from a municipal utility you would be disappointed with private involvement in electricity production.
>Sure it could turn out fine, but it is to be seen if people can actually make that shift or just fuck it up because of conflict.
The private owners are existentially invested in fucking it up along the way. Not recognizing their proprietary rights as legitimate is part of class consciousness.
>>129939328
Battery technology is making some interesting strides, especially with flow battery systems. Pumped storage, where a pump pushes water up a hill and generates electricity when it drains back down, is a proven technology.

>>129939259

I'm sure his plan involved more than one flesh wound before his demise.
His plan sucked more cock than the average Democrat.

>>129939733
Exactly.

The question is simply who will lead this social shift, especially during hundreds of years.

Your plan, or any similar plan, has to be orchestrated in an incredibly complex manner to avoid conflict and lead to passive eugenics.

So either the illuminaty is real and you are in luck or it has to start somewhere and keep going for a long time.

>>129939310
>Battery technology is improving all the time, the evidence is in your pocke

There's a difference between a battery that only works for a few days and puts out a a couple of amps and one that needs to store a few megawatts. The only way it's going to work is to find a power source that puts out consistent amounts of energy 24/7. Storing electrical energy on an industrial scale is going to be a disaster, every time you convert energy from one form to another you lose efficiency.

>>129922096
this is the greatest comparison.

When giffords got shot, she was shot by an A-political retard with multiple police complaints. The guy had literally no connection to the GOP and every news outlet ran with the story that it was conservatives fault based on political rhetoric.

Today Republicans were targeted by a democrat with no complaints who held down a job and believed it was his American duty to act based on media narrative and clinton/soros/lynch/comey comments. Yet the media is silent. The one sidedness, the victim hood its ben claimed by the left. Democrats are quite simply stupid, or evil.

>>129940046
>The question is simply who will lead this social shift, especially during hundreds of years.

China.
They'll be the only nation in 50 years that isn't Islamic.

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>>129920060
Hmm really makes you think

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>>129940737
really activates your almonds

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>>129940819
really depolarizes your cell walls and opens your sodium channels

>>129940641
Kek, good point

Why should we care what you think? Oh wait. We literally dont. Fuck off now shill. Literally

>>129921114
>electoral college
>democratic
Pick one nigga

>>129924320
MY FUCKING MONTHLY PREMIUM QUADRUPLED YOU FUCKING NIGGER
I AM NOT A FUCKING MILLIONAIRE, FUCKING KILL YOURSELF

>>129920060
>He didn't give me free stuff he deserved it
Sub 80 IQ confirmed.

>>129939865
If they feared the people, they wouldn't be elite.
>>129940877
Brazen!

>>129940015
That's fair. I know a friend from Wisconsin is usually over the moon with how good the local government services are.
>>129940046
I'm not interested in passive eugenics because poor people will fuck on instincts and produce children even when they know they dont have the resources to care for them or the experience to nurture them.

I'd rather just temporarily sterilize people with the water source and selective un-sterilize people based on intelligence scores

The Illuminati is real, they're just a lot more boring than anyone makes them out to be

>>129941170
Fair enough.

How would you make sure that the social concience remains intact by the way?

Since Morality is not a factor here and your point is to merely increase Human survival and fitness for life, would you instate heavy indoctrination? Or a militaristic way of opression?

im curious

>>129941077
what an original thinker

>>129928628
>democrat calling others cucks
top lel

>>129920060
Yeah, dude. Fuck this guy. http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Steve-Scalise-412261

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>>129942002
>Favors
>narrow civil rights
>97.2% of the time

Holy shit, how do these retards get elected

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>>129920060

>SHILL THREAD

saged

>>129924264
Found the obamaleaf. The new flag can't hide you faggot

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>>129934731

looks liek a dwarf lol. two thing these mass shooters all have in common.

1. male
2. not getting sex

sorry not sir, execute all male virgins past age 20!

>>129938405
It is pretty amazing and disgusting that Democrats will be able to use their side shooting some Republican in a debate for gun control.

Its like some Joker shit "BLAM hehehehe now who wants to talk... GUN CONTROL? hehehehe"

>>129923207
He was and so is Trump, not that there's anything wrong with that. Both parties are pushing for authoritarian policies. Spying, droning, none of this matters. What matters is that your side comes out on top, and that the authoritarian stances you take effects the other side just a little more than yours.

>>129920060

Amazing.....our public servants hanging out with Tyson Foods lobbyist at political softball games.
We are getting the best representation money can buy

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>>129943173
>Its like some Joker shit "BLAM hehehehe now who wants to talk... GUN CONTROL? hehehehe"

lul

>>129920203
http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Steve-Scalise-412261

>>129941614
It would be maintained by specialization.

AI and Robotics of different types require an enormous amount of specialized talent and training and study. Those resources aren't easy to come by, even for those with the capacity to make use of them.

Those Robolords who control various sectors of the economy would not be able to easily acquire the resources of each other, thus assuring their willingness to play nice, at least for a time.

Perhaps one robolord would be able to acquire the talent and training and study necessary to control the entire world, it might even be inevitable.
At that point, we get into really philosophical territory about what is worth doing when everything has been done and is always being done by your machinery

>>129944877
Stop RPing, you fool.
If they are specialized, they don't need intelligence.

>>129945619
What do you mean?
Like specialized work doesn't require someone to be intelligent?

>>129926996
These idiots can barely form coherent thoughts and they are allowed to vote. Math and literacy tests to vote again when!?!

>>129946125
I know there were literacy tests at one point but math ones?
I'd be down for that
>Perform this integral

>>129920060
Keep it up, lefties attacking people in the street and shooting up Congress won't end with a commie revolution, but instead with radical leftists being thrown into FEMA camps and fleeing the country en masse.

Cap this.

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holy shit fuck leftists

>>129945857
Fool, have you ever programmed an industrial robot in your life? If not you should probably leave your anthropomorphism and your soft sci-fi crap out of these discussions.
Sentience is a complete waste of time and energy in a working robot.

gonna be fun aborting democratic congresswomans children.

>>129920060
I love this era of flag shitposting.

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Integrals now that would be fun. We might be able to have a coherent conversation with a libshit about how the numbers are lying to them and how a simple cursory examination would show absurdist weighting factors. Sadly I don't even think we need to go that far.
I'd be happy with fractions.

>>129946265
Calculus would only let the professional liberal class through. If they can understand compound interest and basic accounting identities, that would be enough.

>>129936605
found the retard

>>129947873
Your joking about only liberals knowing calculus right?
Statistics would be most beneficial I believe...

>>129948561
The Democrat Party is the party of the professional class. Their policies, their narratives, and their rhetoric are all aimed at them. The professional class heavily leans Democrat. Can you vomit up the oligarch cum you're drinking, take off the blindfold, and look at what's really going on out there for just one second instead of whacking your piñata with muh self-superior college boy onanism?
Die in a house fire.

>>129923207

That was equally stupid. Also tu quoque fallacy.

>>129948977
Maybe it's just different in my area, but all the engineers and doctors I know are conservative while the business majors are liberal.
I am in the South though; so that may be why my experience is different.

>>129951170
Ahhh, then never mind about dying in that house fire because you've got a point there.
The professionals that the Democrat Party caters to are the soft professionals: the middle managers as you noted, the social workers, the nurses (though they are to the Party's left on health care and don't think health insurance is an adequate substitute at all) and other such BS- and BA-holders.

>>129951170
in the north it's largely the professional class who are the most liberal, at least when it comes to national politics (talk about equalizing school-spending for poor neighborhoods and rich ones and they'll turn-coat like nothing else)..

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CTR shills promoting violence against the President.

They are partly responsible for this.

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>>129920060
>>129920060

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>>129952423
original libshit post

>>129921114
This is wrong; tyranny is entirely subjective.

A people who believe they are not oppressed, regardless of government policy, is not oppressed.

A people who believe they are oppressed, regardless of government policy, is oppressed.

Accusation of tyranny is relative entirely to the people/nation doing the accusing.

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>>129932368
SEIZE THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION

>>129953043
Kek
Poli sci students BTFO

>>129941082
There wouldn't be any premiums at all on universal healthcare.

>>129952423
This shouldn't end until an hero. Degenerates get no pass today.
>Don't pass GO; Go to Hell

>>129954098
Americans lie. It's in their mischblut.

>>129922096
He was a democrat bruh.

>>129954098
>>129955171
Not you, of course. The scooterboy upthread who refuses to look at actual practice around the world.

>>129920060
Wah, muh suffering
Life is suffering, anybody who tells you different is trying to sell you something.

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>>129920060

>>129920060


nah not yet

the Left will see real violence if they keep pushing..

which is prolly what the ZOG wants.

>>129955388
Then why shouldn't we make the ruling class suffer on our terms instead of their own?

>>129926053
>liberal fighting clear executive power in the 9th circuit
well of fucking course he'd win, if any of these cases actually got to SCOTUS they'd side with Trump and scold the 9th Circuit for wasting their time; 9th Circuit also has literally the highest rate of verdicts overturned by SCOTUS. Democrats take judicial activism to a whole new level.

>>129920060
Be hard to miss a forehead like that.

>>129947631
The AI aren't sentient beings, these are more machine-learning or generative design programs that would be mainly taking over jobs that rely on technical training but not the holistic intelligence only capable currently in the human brain.

Yes, some of these AI will run machinery but that will usually be done with human technicians nearby to troubleshoot and oversee

I generally vehemently advocate against sentient AI.
>>129947873
>Only liberals know Calculus
First, I don't think that's true.
Second, there's no reason to test for simple mathematical concepts obfuscated by industry-specific jargon. The whole point of testing for mathematics is to see if they are intelligent enough to understand abstracted concepts rather than tangible, financial ones.
>>129948977
I'm confused, why is it bad that professionals run things? Or, are you claiming the Dems used the Professionals as their voting block by spitting intelligenja rhetoric at them, at which case I would agree.

If you're arguing against people with REALLY basic math skills (Calculus is very basic) being the only ones allowed to vote, I'd ask you to die in a house fire if that were the case.

>>129952508
The dumbness of these sorts of people is that they choose to virtue signal or have a moral backbone in a situation that is has no weight

Twitter is not the place to make bold moral statements

Scalise is a steward of the NRA, they (most republicans) choose the NRA and money over country and the US Constitution. He and those select republicans are angels of deaf...You reap what you sow!!!

>>129958797
Have you ever programmed an industrial robot in your life, or are you rping? I have, and industry neither wants nor needs the sort of non-repeatability or non-determinism that would result from loose "training" with some magical intelligence in the mix.
I said that imposing a calculus test wouldn't stop liberals as the original poster might have hoped, since most of them have had to work through it over the course of their debt-based post-secondary education.
It's bad that muh professionals run things because credentials are only loosely related to skill and almost always tightly related to office politics and the willingness to pay or to assume debt. Dem policies serve the professional class, since McGovern. They reliably never propose universal public benefits because means-testing gives social workers and gatekeepers jobs. Dems more or less are the professional gatekeepers.

>>129920060
>Simply chickens coming home to roost,
>look at his policy positions and the suffering imposed on the working class and tell me why I am supposed to care about this.
Marx faggot, if you start a war with us, I guarantee you will end up caring.

Without empathy you are just projecting. If you hate yourself this much call a suicide prevention line and stop with these thinly veiled cries for help.

>>129959989
I've never programmed an industrial robot, I never said I did. I have friends who do, where I went more into Machine Learning for data science in uni. I'm also not sure what part of my pseudo-prophecy you're objecting to?

I don't want a calculus test to prevent liberals, I want a calculus test to prevent anyone who isn't intelligent from voting, left and right. It's gonna kick out a lot of high-school only grads, white black and hispanic but the benefit is that the voting base will be less likely to buy into poorly-sourced rhetoric.

And I would disagree, most professionals in any state (and as said above, professionals' political associations are usually based on what state they're in anyways) generally hire based on skill, based on how less costly it is to train and whether you're a good enough fit in personality for the team and environment (at least that's how I've evaluated people when I get asked to help screen potentials).

What exactly are you qualifying as a professional?

>>129960091
but it was a white guy who attacked him.
you're fighting yourself

I think we should kill more politicians. Just keep killing and killing them until they decide to undo some of the tyrannical shit they've been up to.

>>129960747
>I went more into Machine Learning
Oh, talking your own book, then. Fair enough, at least now I know where you're coming from.
The trouble with "mere" calculus is that people who may be numerate but don't understand things like systems theory, set theory, etc. will still get through. desu the "learned" are more likely to be swayed by cheap rhetoric than the high school grads. Again, you're talking your own book.
>What exactly are you qualifying as a professional?
In general, those who hold a credential and work in a position abstracted from real means of production.

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>>129961434
What's wrong with machine learning?
And what do you mean by 'numerate but don't understand'
I mean the concept of compound interest, as you mentioned, isnt more complex than asking someone to do a fairly complex integral.
And I'd be up for raising it past basic calculus, I just didn't know what was appropriate. We can go up to something a little tougher like linear algebra if you want. But I do think it should be a test around complexity where you literally have to expand the way you think rather than just memorizing simple concepts with particular names in certain contexts.

As far as your definition of a professional, I suppose I understand the ambivalence towards that sort of work. Incidentally, that's the sort of work I generally build things to make obsolete, most of my contracts are to banks that want a program that can eliminate most of their low level analysts or data-input employees.

Also, the 'learned' are also highschool grads. By your logic, the middle school grads ought to be less swayed than the highschool grads.
>>129961399
It is wild what the political-association flags have done to this board

>>129921606
Of course republicans cannot fathom dissenting against the actions of politicians from a shared party.

>>129920060
So, the normalization of assassinations?

>>129962569
I'm not actually a pirate, I just like skulls.

>>129960945
liberals are not on our side regardless of their skin, you're going to have to wake up to that fact one day.
We either go through them, or we all die because of them.

>>129929052
>So who did those people shoot?

Right wing terrorism was the biggest terrorist threat and killer in the US until like Omar Mateen.

>>129963172
Also, who were you calling a marxist? the KKK in america sided with the soviets and marxists?

But how will you tell friend from foe, how will your tell spies from the faithful if they look just like you?
>>129963037
That's as good a reason as any

>>129926592
civil rights leaders have been getting shot since 5ever for subverting the system in all the ways politicians should be. I couldn't give a rat's ass. It's called dying for what you believe in, and it's a trait politicians should have. otherwise, they're literally just collecting money to do the bare minimum.

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/leftypol/ gets shit done while /pol/faggots continue to be larpers. What is new?

>>129927198
This is precisely what your rich overlords want you to believe. I bet you wish only the rich people could vote too, because being rich somehow equates intelligence. please kys

>>129963674
I mean why do you think /pol/ is always doing the /ourguy/ memes
Apparently the silent majority is silent because of the bull fucking their wife too

please hel

>>129962569
Machine learning is trendy. It will be applied to many situations where it is a waste of silicon and power. Nothing wrong with it, just good to know that you're not perfectly impartial.
Numeracy is not a linear progression once you get to algebra, despite curricula's hopes. I don't even necessarily think the mathematics has to be all that advanced. Personally, I'd advocate for a very good understanding of magnitudes, enough that people won't be bamboozled or mesmerized when called upon to divide trillions into millions. My goal would be to require an understanding of mathematics as it is used in real-world constructs, rather than get caught up in the "beauty" of pure math as a signifier of "intelligence". More Fermi and Shannon, less Gauss and Galois, if that makes any sense.
>Also, the 'learned' are also highschool grads
True. I don't hold anything against high school grads who have been around the block enough to have picked up on real-world concepts, even loosely. The theory is that high school grads will have picked up enough critical thinking skills, better if the tools of critical thinking have not been deliberately withheld from them to enforce an authority structure, to have a sensitive bullshit detector.

>>129920060
Fuck Shareblue sjw faggots are out HARD tonight. Enjoy your blood money, snowflake faggot.

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>>129920060
Why are all mass shooters democrats?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdccDjHSRi4&t=140s

>>129968344
Would Harris and Klebold have voted Democrat?

>>129968830
>retard and Jew

Of course they would've.

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>tfw your chickens never came home to roost

>>129929150
>Gold's Gym

>not joining a White's Only gym

>>129961399
Indeed

>>129968344
Because the fucking Republicans commit treason

The difference between Democrat and Republican shooters is that the dipshit GOP supporters shoot church goers and coeds. The Dem shooters actually shoot the fucking people responsible for fucking this country up

>>129920060

nigger you want to talk about coming home to roost you got more than chickens coming for your selfish degenerate asses

>>129968064
I suppose I'd follow up with asking why you believe machine learning can't be used to handle the general plethora of white collar jobs that don't require the most intelligent and creative minds to function? The very nature of them is taking the basic pattern recognition that human beings use and emulate it with programs.

And I feel ya on the pure math vs applied math distinction. I'd still like it if the bar was relatively high, something you can't just google quick answers for.

I will say this about the liberal arts campus you're alluding to when you refer to the 'learned': it depends on where you went to school. My biggest issue with campus lefties is that they're actually insecure in the validity of their ideas. There's an old Genghis Khan (and Conan) saying "What is best in life? Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women"

Comparably, you would think liberal arts students would be ready and rearing to destroy the ideas of people they clearly think to be intellectually inferior but they're unwillingness to throw down implies they're afraid of being proven wrong or having to defend their ideas.

All the same, it depends on what campus you're on. If you went to Columbia, you're going to be a lot less influenced by leftist bullshit than Yale. You were also probably part of that 'Yale thing'

>>129944877
>lower class people shouldn't have any political input
>but I think politics is like a science-fiction novel

Robolords? Are you fucking serious? I will be so glad when everything burns

>>129973624
Well I don't know what you'd call them, they'd effectively just be CEOs and Chief Engineers of corporations but my whole point is that those individuals would have way more influence than the current aristocratic wealthy demographic does currently.

Even CEOs now have to worry about who will buy their products, they have to pay people at all in order to ensure that the product they produce is bought and they have constant income so they can afford to buy other things that they don't produce themselves.

My entire thesis is that the benefit of automation is increasing every year to the point that those who either produce or own the automation (robotic labor for manual/physical labor, low level AI for intelligent labor) won't have to negotiate with people whose sole economic product is that physical labor or low level intelligent labor. They'll be fazed out of the economy altogether at one point.

Let me ask you something: how often do you see individuals picking cotton or even wheat by hand or manual tool in America anymore?

>>129973624
Also, do you have some sort of convincing argument why lower class people, who not only contribute less to the revenue of the government but also are more likely to have a more limited and provincial and anecdotal outlook on life and society, should be allowed to have political input on a government that is not only affecting them but millions of other lower class people from other regions whom they aren't thinking of?

>>129972511
:) somebody here gets it

>>129925943
Yup and their surrogates in the media. There children are also legitimate targeta now.

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>>129920060

May your chucks turn to emus, and peck your dunnie down.

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>>129954098
Like Canada where they pay about 20% more income tax (or so) + tax for healthcare? Sounds great! Where do I sign up!? I just love the idea of paying $16k+ a year more in taxes when I don't even spend anywhere near that on my entire family now.

>>129920060
What policy positions that hurt the working class? Care to elaborate? Why do you fucking morons never argue your insane positions clearly?

>>129925943
Oh, just the DNC?
I mean I'm a liberal in general but I don't side with the DNC religiously like some people (I voted for Ole Aleppo Johnson this past year)
Do I have to get kill?

>>129921114
b-but DRUMPF
muh feelings!
racist!!!
DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

any Dems whinging about gun control today?

>>129975091
The question is not how much you spend, but how much you get. You like roads, don't you? You like not having to trip over bums, don't you?
Also, 20% more in taxes sounds high. You might be comparing top marginal rates. Which means you make the same applied math mistake as Joe the Plumber and need to burn your voter card and shut the fuck up about politics, forever.

>>129974543
>are more likely to have a more limited and provincial and anecdotal outlook on life and society
I do not agree with this statement, though. I do not believe they are more likely to have a more "limited" outlook on life and society, any more than someone who was born into wealth and had their outlook limited by a lack of serious concerns relating to their physical and mental security. We have an economic system that does not pay janitors, maids, etc. well. Fine. Their contributing less is wholly dependent on their pay. The more people make, the more they do not have to rely on the government for what is often called "handouts", they can afford being taxed more without it cutting into basic needs like food and shelter, and they can consume more.
It is at this point some argue that these people, who "forfeited" higher education, deserve this low pay. But until these white-collar professionals raise their own kids and pick up their own trash, the lower class IS contributing much to society. The wealthy do not like to clean up behind themselves, in general. Imagine the dysfunction of working in a highrise full of white-collar people who do not take out the garbage or unclog toilets. It'd be fucking Kowloon city and would heavily impact healthcare provisions.
By common argument, the CEOs who are currently making millions of dollars a year are super intelligent and "deserve" their pay. But if they were super intelligent, they would not be pushing immigration specifically in order to outsource the menial jobs to foreigners so that they can maintain their millions and keep labor cheap. They do this even if it is crushing American people. The lie that they deserve their pay any more than the lower-class deserves theirs is a tragic demonstration of the republican-democrat divide. Until lower-class Americans receive better pay, they will be less likely to take on certain jobs. Those jobs will go to migrant Oaxacans and prison industrial laborers

>>129921114
Shut up you stupid Russian!

>>129920262
This made me KEK! And I'm a conservative but not a republotard or a dumbocrap. But this is 100% right!

>>129938007
You shouldn't type and masturbate simultaneously

>>129974543
TL;DR just because one contributes less in dollars and cents does not mean they contribute less in common sense and problem-solving.
>should be allowed to have political input on a government that is not only affecting them but millions of other lower class people from other regions whom they aren't thinking of?

My question would be why should they privilege the concerns of people in "other regions" over their own sovereign right to have political say in a state they contribute to? Especially when those "other regions" are only impacted because of a globalist political system that necessarily places its own lower-class citizens on the backburner to accumulate such regions.
If lower-class Americans are being judged for what they COULD be doing with their resources, shouldn't we also scrutinize those CEOs of "transnational corporations" who chosse to hide away their goodies in the Cayman Islands instead of paying taxes to those regions where their products are sold and bought?

I ultimately have a problem with the "rich is better" way of thinking because it
1. ignores current issues directly related to plutocracy
2. tends to encourage constant growth without considering sustainability or the consequences of privileging resilience over sustainability (see 2008 housing bubble). A system can only overcome so many 2008s at such a frequency before inevitable collapse.

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>>129920262
Not all conservatives are republicunts, I fixed it for you.

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>>129925027
(You) it is

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>>129972511
>Dem shooters actually shoot the fucking people responsible for fucking this country up
Wanna know how to spot a retard? How many of those dems shot jews? Oh wait. jews dems, same difference, my bad...

>>129976250
I'll try to respond to this as much as I can, but thanks for the full comment, I think I understand your argument and view a bit better

>We have an economic system that does not pay janitors, maids, etc. well. Fine. Their contributing less is wholly dependent on their pay.
And their pay is dependent, at least below executive level jobs, on two factors: the importance of the task and the scarcity of the type of labor needed.

>The more people make, the more they do not have to rely on the government for what is often called "handouts", they can afford being taxed more without it cutting into basic needs like food and shelter, and they can consume more.
Agreed.

>It is at this point some argue that these people, who "forfeited" higher education, deserve this low pay. But until these white-collar professionals raise their own kids and pick up their own trash, the lower class IS contributing much to society.
I agree. That's why my entire thesis is centered around the idea that sustaining technologies in robotics will drive down both the development and production costs of robots, both generics (programmable for many simple tasks) and specialized (designed for specific tasks).
My complaint is that people in low level jobs will always vote for the hand that feeds them, preventing the government from properly investing in the future.
I have a lot of sympathy for the poor and lower class people dealing with real financial pressures. You can pay these people more but that goes hand in hand with making robotic replacements more attractive since the cost of human labor moves closer to that of machine labor.

>The wealthy do not like to clean up behind themselves, in general. Imagine the dysfunction of working in a highrise full of white-collar people who do not take out the garbage or unclog toilets. It'd be fucking Kowloon city and would heavily impact healthcare provisions.
The wealthy don't but the intelligent generally do.

If hilary clinton got shot you'd be praising the shooter. Admit it /pol/ you don't give a shit about anything other than your side winning.

>>129953043
muhpression

>>129977855
I agree that white collar people, particularly those who live in cities like DC, NYC, Boston, etc, rely heavily on the labor of the poor and the resources produced by blue collar people.

However those white collar people have also been part of the expansion of capitalism into corporatism that has expedited the US' rise to economic super power. The saying "Blue Jeans and pop music" are products of that white collar class that rose due to the excess of wealth produced by manufacturing and automation.

>By common argument, the CEOs who are currently making millions of dollars a year are super intelligent and "deserve" their pay.
I do not actually believe modern CEOs deserve their wealth the most. I don't even think they're the most intelligent. What I AM saying is that the inevitable drift of the economy seems to be about investing dosh into phasing out various types of labor as much as possible, figuring out how few warm bodies you need to leave in an industry to have it work properly. I'm not saying it's good or bad but I do think it's inevitable short of becoming luddites and smashing machines that might take jobs away.

>But if they were super intelligent, they would not be pushing immigration specifically in order to outsource the menial jobs to foreigners so that they can maintain their millions and keep labor cheap. They do this even if it is crushing American people.

I will say, however, that hiring cheap labor and outsourcing menial jobs is intelligent because they realize that brand loyalty compels people to spend money on unnecessary products, even at the cost of long term prosperity.

It's intelligent, not necessarily moral.

Overall, I agree. I don't say that the poor should have less political power, just the less intelligent. That might include many wealthy people who can't pass certain benchmarks (including mathematics, ethics, critical problem solving); as much as we can do to create a more intelligent and moral voting body

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>>129977953
>there are only two sides
>t. doctrinaire democrat

>>129977159
I agree that rich isn't better.
In my sci-fi ramble, there stops being a form of legal tender to exchange for goods and services since the world population would be much lower due to eugenics and the wealth of resources would be much greater with few middle men to negotiate with for those resources since most menial physical and mental labor is automated.

My issue is with unintelligent people sacrificing long term health of everyone for short-term benefit through politics.

For what it's worth, I don't actually believe in Democracy but in a classic Aristocracy.

That's it for me though, I'm signing off and heading to the sack. Thanks for talking though, I think I understand you better than when we first talked

>>129977953
Na, if a attempt was made on hilary last year she would be president

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/pol/ to go full bore and make it known that the second amendment exists for a reason and we are not afraid of using it.
Spread it on fb, trend it on Twitter and reddit. Make the DNC shit their pants. And if necessary, prepare to actually do it

>>129940594
exactly. they are barely mentioning any anti-gop/democratic ties the shooter had, and they're definitely not going to investigate if any of these groups pushed/planned the retard. i guess that's upto us. I'll look into if these groups are ever mentioned, and check into them. thnx google

>>129940877
how is he ever going to find it without pizza maps?

>>129920060
Because it will be someone you agree with next.

We all don't agree fuckwad. The whole point is to have a system to change things and disagree, not fucking start a civil war.

You will lose said war. 100% fact.

>>129920060
>look at his policy positions and the suffering imposed on the working class and tell me why I am supposed to care about this.

white blue eyed male in a position of power

>>129982642
>Because it will be someone you agree with next.
>We all don't agree fuckwad.
>You will lose said war. 100% fact.

"Do what I say or I will hurt you."

>>129926996
>There are very few Americans, an incredibly infinitesimal fraction that genuinely believe that the constitution should be upheld even when they personally don't benefit or are even disadvantaged by it.
Examples?

>>129982642
>the whole point
was to preserve the ruling class as the ruling class.
Who cares about sissy-ass agreement, especially when promises are broken and voters betrayed without any means of proper recourse? This isn't bean bag, this is power.