Things that exist: >sex >skin colour/eye colour/hair colour/bone

>>129891882
This unironically made me think

>>129891882
Prepare to have this slid because pollacks are retards.

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>>129891882
>sex
Gender roles are a response to this natural phenomenon. All animals have it, including humans.
>skin colour/eye colour/hair colour/bone structure
That is race. Different humans were set apart for so long that we physically adapted to different material conditions. See pic related

The perfectibility of humanity is an illusion, brah

>>129891882
How does language exist any more than a nation does?

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I do agree that land based nationalism is not a good thing. It caused WWI. The White Man should unite against the Jew.

Why is unity a desirable goal?

>>129891882
>Things that don't exist:
>communist societies that work

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>>129892938
White unity is. Mutual agreement with other peoples to separate is also a good thing. It is what the Jew fears the most.

>>129892479
>That is race.
"Race" is a totally ambiguous and unscientific means of categorizing humans. Genes exist, haplotypes exist, but "races" like "white people" and "black people" and dumb shit like that doesn't exist and the terms are only really meant to be casual means of physical identification NOT as some qualifier for nationhood or human rights or whatever. There is no scientific basis for what most people consider "race" to be, there are genes, and the gene pool is far too complex and blended to be split into distinct "races". When most people say race these days they mean skin colour, which does exist, but which hardly makes and difference genetically.

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>>129891882
>>"the supernatural"

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>>129893300
Should have zoomed in on myth 6. DNA can be used to accurately depict someone's race, and this graph right here shows genetic diversity within humans.

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>human concepts don't really exist so they're not important.

so basically:
>humanity
>justice
>compassion
>community
>empathy
>loyalty
>trust

These things are mere human concepts so they must be meaningless in your materialist worldview, right?

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>>129893300
You are right that skin colour is not the only factor, as pic related proves.

>>129892938
Less strife and struggle between people whose differences are only surface-level, a greatly expanded material resource base not restricted by legal borders that only muddy the economic waters and create inefficiency, and probably most importantly the ability to clear the fog of the spook of nation so as to see more clearly exactly what material challenges humanity faces and how to overcome those challenges, rather than obsessing over the differences between Spaniards and Catalans.

It's like asking why cooperation is desirable over conflict, it's obvious.

>>129891882
wow I've never seen such a shallow interpretation of race in my life.
This is like the centrist version of social justice or something

>>129891882
Natural in-group altruism. This is the essence of tribalism and nationalism, and this self sacrifice for family/close community is seen everywhere in nature.

Gender == sex. The division between the physical and mental traits is absurd. Same thing goes with race, which are simple division within the 'species' based on historical geographic isolation.

Supporting eugenics and group altruism will bring smarter, stronger individuals and a peaceful, prosperous society in which the general welfare of society is taken care of with no issue.

>>129891882
Do you realise that nationalists don't exist outside of their sekret club and 4chan, they literally hold no power. The muslims and jews do. They also happen to be nationalist, racist, manipulative and may believe in the supernatural. How do we deal with these perils of Europe? What is the answer

>>129893854

>It's like asking why cooperation is desirable over conflict, it's obvious.

Cooperation on your terms?

>>129894117
Race is a shallow, unscientific concept in the first place. "Breed" would be a more accurate term, akin to dog breeds, although humans are nowhere near as genetically diverse as domesticated dogs.

>>129894377
On democratic terms.

>>129894165
Explain how in-group altruism ends at nationality. What makes it so difficult for an Englishman and a Irishman to cooperate aside from culture and language, both of which can be overcome in very short periods? Nations exist almost solely due to economic and geographic circumstance.

>>129894377
>cooperation on your terms?
That is correct. This is "why can't everyone have my ideology then the world would be perfect" the post.
Nationalism is not something you can smite down or teach away, it forms naturally whether you like it or not, and any effort to abolish it will only see it rise again and create more conflict.
>>129894616
That's because we've been purposely mixing and manipulating breeds of dogs for a long time now, to genetically engineer something better.
What "race" is is not shallow unless you are talking to a retard who wants it to be shallow, race is subjectively defined, but implying it doesn't matter is raw retardation. Genetics influences behaviour, intelligence, and group identity, and pretending you can just override that does more harm than becoming hyper obsessed with it.

>>129891882
>the totally obvious similarities between one-another and uniting under a single banner

name some other than skin color and a tendency toward cooperation

>>129895110
Define "cooperating"

>>129893300
You would be pretty retarded to support a concept like "multiculturalism" then.
They are seperate peoples, you have to be one of the other.
Just like the divisions of "race" which are really just another way of saying "kinship group" or "tribe".
Early catagoraizations of people they met while sailing around the world and had to describe the people they met.
Would you not be amazed to look into it?

Why do people have to get so fucking pedantic about this as if it gives meaning to future actions?

> Do you care about race? No?
> Then we get to ram 20 million people and you into micro appartments in a megacity and constantly silence and erase you in favour of the same muslim voice in every European country.

Commies are dumb fools that fall for non-commie abuses of their ideologue minds. Just like Muslims. But Muslims are right-wing ethnocentrics...you know...racists, so they don't care.

...Always try to get you with the "But it doesn't matter." line to then abuse it.

anon here is either being manipulative or not thinking straight (ideologue mind)

>>129896681
I don't know why you assume I have any sympathy for Islam when I declare the supernatural to be non-existent and totally irrelevant in the material world. In the long run religion will be eradicated simply by the free-flowing of scientific information, just like nations, just like then concept of "gender" and the concept of "race".

Nationalists think they are fighting me, when they are in reality fighting time, fighting freedom of information, fighting science, as all of these things will be the death of their ideology.

>>129897147
>religion will be abolished by freedom
LMAOOOOOO

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>>129891882
Race exists and it's a biological fact that long term geographical seperation will lead to evolutionarely different humans.
Niggers having a subhuman IQ is because they were never forced to develop intelligent behavior in the resource rich lands of Africa.
Whites and south east Asians on the other hand needed to be able to cooperate in order to survive which led to successful and prosperous civilizations being formed.
Thus nations and nationalism are not only completely normal but also mandatory for a healthy society since it strenghtens unity and creates a sense of belonging and purpose.
Hyper individualism like we see today will only create a degenerate society fated to collapse since short turn pleasure is seen as a more reasonable than personal sacrifices that would lead to a long term happier and more functioning society. Things like starting a family and having children are being pushed aside for more easier but damaging ways of self fulfilment like partying and mindless sex.
I could also cover the different gender roles and how they're complimentary to each other and the development of children but i think this is enough for now.

It's also funny that you claim that you're in favor of a united Europe while despising nationalism. It's sad that you're not able to see the blatant hypocrisy but I'll explain it anyway.
Nationalism is literally the feeling of belonging together with your countrymen. A nation without nationalism will never work since the general populace will not support it.
I am actually also in favor of a united Europe but it needs to happen from the will of the people and not EU bureaucrats.
It needs to be united under common cultural values, a strong sense of nationalism and European spirit. Trying to force a nation onto people will never work even if you try to force them to accept it by importing a masssive amount of incompatible immigrants and shaming them for their historical wrong doings since it goes against human nature.

>>129897147
>Free flowing science will abolish racialism
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Yeah, that's why the scientific community is so fucking biased and controlling in their experiments and releases of information to cover up or explain away or deny racial differences, because the TRUTH is going to smite down racialism.
Gimme a fucking break.

>>129891882
You would fit right in with white nationalist folks. They also don't believe that Frenchmen and Walloons are that different.

>>129897309
It's what killed Christianity and it will kill Islam as well, the only thing that kept the two from dying at the same time is technological development and the repressive nature of the Middle Eastern regimes.

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>>129897835
The only thing maintaining freedom is the mutual shared existence of materialism and religion in the same sphere. The dominance of either one, means the end of freedom. You're a retard.

>>129897795
I don't think any humans are very different, I'm just trying to ease right-wingers into Marxist thought. You need to work from the ground up.

>>129898216
>I'm just trying to ease right wingers into Marxist thought
And it couldn't be any more obvious. However, you should start by reading something other than Marx, because your ignorance of human nature is glaringly obvious.

>>129897645
>subhuman IQ
Yet when they're actually raised properly in modern societies they differ by maybe 5-10 points, I mean no shit the average IQ in Liberia is only 50 or something when they don't have schools. Furthermore, IQ does not inhibit one from contributing to society, you can even have literal retards sweep streets and other simple things, there's nothing keeping low-IQ individuals from contributing to and participating in society to whatever degree they are capable of.

I'd be betraying myself to suggest IQ is totally independent of genetics, but it is far less relevant than you seem to suggest, unless you want to imply you've never cooperated with or befriended anyone less intelligent than yourself, which I'd be inclined to believe is a lie.

>>129898478
>And it couldn't be any more obvious
I'm not trying to be subtle, just look at my flag. I just know you can't dump info all at once and expect everyone to catch on immediately.

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>>129899192
Wrong. The evidence actually shows that environmental factors on IQ have little to no impact on adults, all testing done that claims environmental factors are significant is done on children, two part studies such as the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study show that after reaching adulthood (17-18) up to 12 points of environmental IQ is lost, and they drop within a point or two of their genetically inherited score.
Please stop wasting everyone's time pretending you know what you're talking about

>>129899797
The actual researchers who performed the study literally said the following (from Wikipedia):

>"contrary to Levin's and Lynn's assertions, results from the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study provide little or no conclusive evidence for genetic influences underlying racial differences in intelligence and achievement, " and note that "We think that it is exceedingly implausible that these differences are either entirely genetically based or entirely environmentally based. The true causes of racial-group differences in IQ, or in any other characteristic, are likely to be too complex to be captured by locating them on a single hereditarianism-environmentalism dimension."

>>129900944
Yet they have no evidence to support their theory that environment has a significant factor on IQ in adults, and have never presented a single two part study since the Minnesota study to even ATTEMPT to contradict the evidence put forward by it.

>>129900944
Also
>Wikipedia
Lmao Wikipedia also thinks the MAOA gene correlates with blood testosterone and links to old debunked studies about racial differences in testosterone, when he reality is it correlates to cerebrospinal fluid testosterone which has never been measured and compared between races.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source bud. Especially when all they offer you is conjecture without referencing peer reviewed research to back it up.

>>129901402
And yet the researchers who actually performed the study disagree with you. It is obviously a more complex issue than what you believe it to be, as the researchers said.

>>129901704
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mtras-reply-to-levin.pdf

Here's the source of the quote, knock yourself out.

>>129901786
>the researchers who performed the study disagree with you
have you ever actually READ the study? Because that is not what they wrote
>>129901895
>see look at this reply written by critics and not the researchers themselves, this shows the researchers themselves don't agree
Lmao wut?

>>129901786
The study never claimed that environmental factors don't exist, it claims that after reaching adulthood, there is little to no significance to them.
They admit that they cannot control environmental factors perfectly, but it is the only study to date on adult subjects in this manner, and there is literally nothing to suggest that education actually provides a permanent 5-10 IQ point boost.
There is significant evidence across all studies that IQs drop for any person when they reach adulthood and that children's IQs are extremely volatile.
You are trying to falsely assume that children and adult brains operate the same and take similar influence from their environment, and have nothing to back it up.

>>129893300
>>129891882
'race' is nothing more than a layman's term for haplogroup, moron.

And it is VERY significant to group average intelligence, propensity to violence, industriousness, etc. It's hugely important, you anti-science fuckhead.

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>>129897147
And yet your ideology is essentially a religion without a deity. Religious tendencies exist ins many humans, the death of God simply means that something other than traditional religion will fill the void in these people.

>>129901895
And finally, what you are proposing is that what then? We have parents with higher genetic IQs raise children with low genetic IQs to artificially increase their scores? Their genetic value doesn't actually change, environment is a modifier and always will be.
This is EXACTLY like saying women are as fit for the military as men because despite genetic inhibitions to muscle growth and retention, they can succeed if they work hard enough, therefore we're all equal. No the women aren't, they need to put in much more effort to do the same thing.
If two people with low genetic IQ who are given good environments breed, they still will need to give their child that superior environment or it will fall back onto genetic reliance. The kid is not magically inheriting the parents' total IQ including environmental factors.
If they want to succeed and stay successful, that group of lower IQ needs maximum discipline at all times, they must minimize broken family structures and drug use and etc many other things that only right wing social policies can encourage.

Fucking commies man, just wanna keep niggers being niggers and pretend the problem will solve itself if we throw more money at their schools. Cause that's totally working right now.

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I'm willing to bet that at least 95% of the (((communists))) on here are insecure about themselves in some way, leading to them trying to say their faults aren't real. Maybe they're short, weak, dumb, a nigger, a spic, poor, or anyone of a million different problems they have with themselves.

>>129891882
Idiot still believing in the muh material conditions explanations after over a hundred years of it being wrong.

You realize that sex exists, gender doesn't is exactly the right wing position, right? given that gender doesnt exist, neither do transgenders. You are either male or female.
Race exists, and you're unironically a retard for not getting that. You are currently living through the near total scientific vindication of classic, common-sense racial categories, enjoy sticking your head in the sand. Nations are exactly as real as Class, with the difference being that people actually believe in Nations.
One regime killed millions over race, worst evil in history. Another killed million over class, and you display its flag.
Pretty sure the second time Europe was ripped to pieces socialism might have had something to do with it, but I'd imagine your underatanding of history is as retarded as your understanding of categories.

>>129897147

>I don't know why you assume I have any sympathy for Islam when I declare the supernatural to be non-existent and totally irrelevant in the material world. In the long run religion will be eradicated simply by the free-flowing of scientific information, just like nations, just like then concept of "gender" and the concept of "race".

Idk if you are a Burger or a Britbong, but given how popular regressive, pseudo-intellectual nonsense like Postcolonialism, Critical Race Theory, and Queer theory are with Leftists in Anglophone countries, this is nothing but a pipedream.

>>129905617
>Postcolonialism, Critical Race Theory, and Queer theory
All these theories originated and are currently flourishing under capitalism on private campuses. Same with the horrible "modern art" you guys seem to criticize Marxists for despite all of it originating and flourishing under capitalism. Capitalists point to flaws in capitalism and blame it on anyone but themselves, it's embarrassing.

>>129906715
>all of right wingers are capitalists
Lmao.
>thinking /pol/ is one person
Lmao

>>129906715
You're literally strawmaned capitalism against an anon with a NATIONAL BOLSHEVIST FLAG, fucking retard

Yeah, comrade, we need to take everything whites own and give it to niggers fresh off the banana boat, I agree. Come one, come all; have whatever you want of whitey's civilization. Free gibs for everyone! It's an inexhaustible supply!

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>>129906715

>All these theories originated and are currently flourishing under capitalism on private campuses.

And? So what if capitalism is to blame for this? The people who are accepting these ideologies without question are commie or anarchist-identifying people. Try talking about how they are bullshit at any anarchist or communist meetup and you'll get chased away.

>>129907600
That turns me on, as a communist: Marx hammering SJW boipucci. HOT!

>>129891882
>"knowing this"... spews bullshit commie lies and calls it fact

Yeah...Kys retarded faggot.

if "Race" isnt real, then how is racism real?

>>129907854
Retarded faggots are in charge now. YOU kill yourself, cis-gendered privileged white male!

>>129908161
Great point. It's almost like we're ignorant and hypocritical. I can't argue with that. On behalf of leftists and communists everywhere, I admit defeat.

>>129897147
1 in 20 blacks are born niggers.
http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2012/12/scientists-rediscover-violence-gene.html?m=1

Many and more have retard level IQs.

They will never be absorbed into Western society. They will always be a burden. If the general population knew that, they'd refuse to keep supporting them. If blacks knew that, they'd become even more lazy, indignant and parasitic.

>>129908506
Ah yes, the MAOA Type 2 gene.
Type 1 is also very prevalent with them and turns them into niggers under the right conditions which correlate with aggression when tested alongside presence of MAOA type 1:
Joblessness, didn't graduate, low intelligence, drug use, alcohol or tobacco use, poor economic conditions, abused as a child, single parent, children out of wedlock, social exclusion...
Fun to note, a lot of these social conditions like broken families and children out of wedlock increased dramatically when the USA embraced more socially liberal ideas/policies like abortion and sexual liberation.

>>129891882
Laws, norms, morals, values and ethics don't exist either. Language does not actually exist, it's just sounds based on some imaginary rules. There are a lot of things that don't exist. If you're a postmodernist Marxist feminist or an utter retard, that is. For everyone else with some humanity still in them these things do exist. Human experience depends on many abstract constructs. If you ignore all of those, you have nothing but chaos left. You wouldn't even have emotions, causes or consequences or really anything that would differentiate you from all the other dead things sailing across space and time.

>>129906715
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>>129898216
Ah, there we go. Reminder that to actually be a believing Communist, you have to hold objectively anti-science, anti-truth views.

>>129891882
Commie faggot.

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>>129909816
Don't forget this one
>>129897147
That in a utopian world where everyone holds these views contradictory to scientific truth, we will apparently have the freedom to explore he truth behind science free of bias! Certainly no one will be threatened by scientific truth and be forced to silence speech!

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>nation doesn't exist
Maybe if you ignore all the, you know, nations, of present and past. Ignored the rest of the post because your premise is wrong and retarded.

>>129891882

wtf i love jewish supremacism now

>>129891882
Pan-Europeanism hasn't ever really shaken its Kalergian underpinnings

>>129897147
Sorry hun, but Frankfurt school is the antithesis to all things scientific

>>129891882

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So how do you propose to deal with non-whites?
I don't actually disagree with you for the most part but what you're making an argument for is pan-Europeanist "National" Socialism.

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>>129891882
Tl;dr
Please go back to facebook.

>>129894338
DEATH

>>129895110
Nations exist because of culture and ethnicity.

Group-altruism is a relative trait, based on genetic Identity, in which an Englishmen will be closer to another Englishmen than an an Irishman, generally. Altruism doesn't just 'end' at nation's, it simply dimishes in comparison to national altruism. The best way to explain it would be the inverse square law.

Nothing stops and Englishman and an Irishman from cooperating, but the general rule is more cooperation would occur if it were two Englishmen or two Irishmen.