Drugs should be legal because they are fun and the government

They're also very dangerous. I think society should have a say in what's sold at the shops near our homes.

>>129691977
they wont be as much fun if they are legal because breaking the law makes it a better high

>>129692044
dont like it dont buy it you fagget

>>129692163
But I like it. That's why we care about these substances. We all like it.

>>129692044
Name something that can't be dangerous.

>>129691977
Don't care if you put stuff in your body
Do it on a designated island where the only ones you'll hurt are your fellow users

>>129692305
Satire.

>>129692370
so like do it on Australia, ok will do

>>129692305
It's a matter of degree of personal danger and social harm. Knives are less dangerous than guns. I'd think Canadians would understand this concept.

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>>129692413

>>129692413
I guarantee satire has gotten people murdered if not nations destroyed. I wish I could come up with an example. I should study history more.

>>129692479
>Knives are less dangerous than guns. I'd think Canadians would understand this concept.
The vast majority of defensive gun uses occur within 7 yards. Within that range, a man with a knife can close the gap and kill you faster than you can draw and fire unless extremely practiced/skilled. I'd think Americans would understand this concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49rv3QBtkk

>>129692482
Perfect example. Man that's perfect.

>>129691977
Drugs should be illegal because you become a degenerate faggot who can no longer control his urges, emotions or even motoric functions and makes you become a liability to society.

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Drugs damage society. Drug use is inherently narcissistic. It's a "victimless crime" in the same way that dumping radioactive waste into the water supply is a "victimless crime".

Drugs are immoral.

>>129692609

> The vast majority of defensive gun uses occur within 7 yards

7 yards when the shot is fired or 7 yards when the "action" starts?

Good chance the distance is larger but the guy manages to draw his gun when the assailant is getting closer than 7 yards.

>>129692780
> Victimless crime

Depending on the drug it turns you into a lazy fucking faggot or an addict making you extremely unproductive which damages society

I am not going to pay taxes to support weedfags sleeping all day in their couch.

>>129692791
When the attack starts. Most such defensive gun uses are in locations like convenience stores, parking lots, alleys or in the home. How long is your longest hallway?

>>129692867
Alright good to know. Was just wondering.

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Legalize all drugs but have cruel severe punishment for anyone who commits crimes under the influence. That way you have actual liberty instead of pretending we all hate drugs while accepting constant drunken violence and degeneracy as 'normal'.

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This is scary to talk about guys.

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>>129693005
My poof now b

>>129691977
Drugs should remain illegal because massive companies are going to put some really bad shit in our weed if its made legal. Then we'll see a cigarette situation all over again.

Plus, it's not as fun, going into a store and buying weed. There's no adventure in that. It's not 'cool,' you don't need any connections. It sucks.

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>Smokes meth
>Hoons his commodore down my street losing control and hitting a kid
>I shoot him in the head for being a fucking drug addled degenerate
>Get arrested for possessing firearm
>Get sentenced for using firearm

>>129692835
Agreed. Drug users claim that it's a "victimless crime" because they are narcissists. They assume that, because they personally are not victims, there are no victims at all.

Like I said, it's like dumping radioactive waste in the water supply. There's no immediate direct victim there - but fast forward a few months and you'll see the damage that has been done. We're all the victims. Just like with drugs.

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>>129692940
It's not stuff people normally think about in places where concealed carry is disallowed to law-abiding citizens. Even in Canada, with one of the highest firearm ownership rates in the world, a significant portion of the population has never even held a real firearm before. With how they are portrayed in media, it can be easy to form a misguided opinion about them and their use.

You guys make nice guns, btw. I really want to get myself a nice Hi Power.

>>129693107
>LGBT flag
Wat

>>129693190

>literally just getting your opinions off hitchensblog word for word

>>129692835
then you shouldn't want to pay taxes to arrest them and keep them in jail either, which is stupidly expensive

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>>129693107
You can't choose your flag?


(I'm not even gay. I just like rainbows.)

>>129693319
But he's right about the dangers of drugs. They are dangerous to society and they should be illegal.

He's wrong to blame drugs for things like terrorism and kidnapping, but he's right that they're damaging the fabric of society.

Why don't you try to formulate a counter-argument instead?

>>129693538
Apparently you have to refresh the page for it to be enabled.

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>>129693538
W-what?

White devils and your drugs.

>>129693732

>>129691977
we can choose flags again?

>>129691977
I agree

>>129693572

Hitchens has an absolutely naive cartoon outlook on drugs, he thinks any interaction with them whatsoever = doom. It's like believing everyone who drinks is a raging alcoholic but he's got no answer for it so he just goes 'stop bringing it up I win reeeeeeeee'. He's alright on some things but on this he's a clown and people just lap it up because he's le based morality man and doesn't have to have any integrity

>>129693732
I like rainbows.
Rainbows are the shit.

Steroids should be legal insofar that GPs can prescribe a low supplemental dose if the patient wishes. Doc can prescribe PCTs and supps, oral or IM, and people can benefit fRom being much healthier mentally and physically

>>129693804
Looks that way

>>129693993
I never liked that flag, desu.

Red? Check.
Orange? Check.
Yellow? Check.
Green? Check.
Blue? Check.
Indigo? Check.
Violet? NOPE.

The flag made expressly for inclusivity is missing a colour. Nice.

>>129692653
>>129692482
This is somewhat retarded, it wasn't the satire that was dangerous.

>>129693993
very progressive

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>>129693961
You're just talking about Hitchens. Let's talk about drugs.

Make an argument in favour of drugs or address the point that I made.

>>129692780
>Drugs damage society. Drug use is inherently narcissistic. It's a "victimless crime" in the same way that dumping radioactive waste into the water supply is a "victimless crime".

>dumping highly toxic radioactive waste into the water supply poisoning hundreds/thousands/millions is the same as having a joint and laughing about star wars

>>129691977
There are no real be benefits to drugs like molly, coke, pep etc. There are a lot of downsides, trafficking / fabricating and social/ psychological issues with the use of said drugs.

It's all fun and games to expirement until you hit the state of depression due to shallow unrewarding life and hit dat brain damage.
>been there, done that

>>129694707
A POW asked a German soldier if he had any good jokes. The soldier glared at him.
>GERMAN HUMOUR IS NO LAUGHING MATTER!

Not everyone has a sense of humour, Anon. Words in general are dangerous.

legalies muh weed nibbas

>>129692305
These digits

Weed raises Estrogen levels:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0041008X06000093

Weed decreases testosterone and growth hormone, tobacco increases them (but also raises cortisol which is a catabolic hormone):
http://www.ukcia.org/research/EndocrineEffects.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6818588
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3389568/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24457405

Weed Smokers Have More Violent Convictions:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26961342

Weed Causes Cancer:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2516340/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4642772/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18238947

Weed Reduces Volume Of Various Regions Of The Brain And Negatively Effects Motivation :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104335/

Weed Is Addictive:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3606907/

Weed Causes Long Term Cognitive Damage:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037578/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19630708
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221171/
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2484906
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1463999/
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0055821
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/47/16913.full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3593817/

Weed Causes Depression And Anxiety Disorders:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23795762
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14616175
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4032500/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5149055/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26773900
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10750321
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0122896
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0166005#sec013

>>129694830
>not knowing about the chemical waste most drugs bring.

Sure weed is relatively small, ecologically seen, but socially dem nigs trading dank buds and the laziness dem dank buds contribute to laziness damage society.

Let alone the underestimated numbers of early psychological issues. Bipolar disorders are common and the increasing severity of it due to marihuana as well.

Weed Causes Psychotic Disorders:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17007222
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4352721/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4033190/

Children of Fathers that Smoke Weed More Likely To Suffer Sudden Infant Death Syndrome:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434841

Weed Legalisation Results In More Frequent Use:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0955395914000206
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0143562

Weed Causes Lung Damage:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802821
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24384575
https://www.nature.com/articles/npjpcrm201671
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2094297/
http://monaldi-archives.org/index.php/macd/article/view/645/633

Secondhand Weed Smoke Impairs Psychomotor Function And Working Memory:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4747424/

Weed Worsens Symptoms Of Social Anxiety Disorder:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3350824/

Weed Causes Deficits In Dopamine Release:
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v22/n1/full/mp201621a.html

>>129695397
But it makes you feel good :>)

>>129691977
In that case people who use drugs should receive zero public healthcare. I don't want to pay because you fucked up your own health, junky.

>>129694724
>make an argument in favor of drugs

Occassional use of drugs harms nobody. Removal of its black market stops crime. Creating a legal market makes money that can be used to benefit community. Limits on how much can be bought. Require being on a list to legally use drugs. Want to be degenerate? Fine, but expect occasional visit from police/social worker.

>>129694724

I'm not in favour of using drugs, I just think it's incredibly arrogant to decide on other people's behalf what dangers they're allowed to risk or not. It's also total hypocrisy unless you believe the state should be tracking and punishing anyone who might even potentially harm society in some way. Like I said above, shoot thieving junkies and violent drunks and leave everyone else to their business.

>>129695397
It does wonders for neuropathic pain, though. I'd rather take CBD than morphine.

>>129694830
>If it doesn't affect me and only me (and only in the immediate short term), then there are no victims.

How about anti-competitive behaviour (monopoly) laws?
I mean, there are no immediate victims of monopolistic practises either, but eventually you'll find that the monopoly will start jacking up the prices, actively preventing competition, and lowering the quality of the products. Society is damaged in the long term. But no one is directly hurt in the immediate short term, so let's get rid of anti-competitive practise laws then shall we?

>>129691977
k.
checked

>>129695450

>mickipedia shows up right on cue

How much of your life do you spend spamming these links m8?

>>129695776
>>129695621

>But m-m-my feelings
Kill yourselves you homosexual girly princesses

>>129696397
>feelings
In the sense that you literally feel it, sure, but neuropathic pain has absolutely nothing to do with emotions.

>>129696646
I'd say pain is an emotional reaction.

>>129693326
What a non-argument. Low level crime is the most important crime to punish because it's the most likely to effect you

>>129696018
do you really want to know the answer to that?

>>129696891
How the fuck did you pass high school biology if your grasp on neurology is that shitty?

>>129696018
Probably less than the amount pro drug cretins regurgitate their propaganda

>>129697795

>pro drug propaganda

Such as?

>>129698060
>It's harmless
>my body my choice
>making money off other people's misfortunes is a good thing
>cannabis is a panacea
>drugs make you more intelligent
>drugs make you more peaceful

>>129692044

So are cars...perhaps cars should be banned and only public transit should be legal. Also, parents make bad decisions so only government caregivers should raise kids.

Sounds good, no?

>>129697706
It's not even a biological question it's a language question.

If you can't handle pain, you're a girly faggot. I understand its not the same as feeling sad or scared, but it's similar. It's not like objective analysis of information.

>>129698272

I don't see how sovereignty over yourself is propaganda. How about I come and slap the sandwich out of your mouth because idiots get fat and cost taxpayers money?

>>129698563
I actually would quite like to go around slapping sandwiches out of fat fucks mouths

guns and self defence should be made legal so I can shoot apex gangers with impunity

>>129698563
>I don't see how sovereignty over yourself is propaganda
Because it doesn't exist everything you do effects other people whether it's to yourself or someone else.
>How about I come and slap the sandwich out of your mouth because idiots get fat and cost taxpayers money?
We used to do this in the form of shaming people for being slobs but that's not acceptable any more because of body positivity and body "sovereignty"

>>129693774

>>129698806

>everything you do affects other people

I keep seeing this but it's plainly rubbish, otherwise the concept of privacy wouldn't exist. It's just a copout justification for wanting to meddle in other people's business

>>129691977
yes i agree. no more nanny state

>>129699188
Abortion doesn't effect anyone because my body my choice

>>129699188
Why arbitrarily stop at sovereignty of your person? Why not sovereignty of your community? Your family? Your country?

It's completely arbitrary. The best outcome is the best outcome. Strict drug laws lead to the best outcome ie people not being unhappy degenerate drug addicts

>>129698503
Those are the words that someone who has not had to live with severe chronic pain would say.
Nerve damage sucks in ways you cannot imagine.

>>129699593
Hard to argue that current drug laws aren't severe, yet that doesn't seem to be stopping people very much.

>>129699394

Now you're just sperging and arguing against shit nobody even implied, get it together


>>129699593

Where does it stop though? If you don't leave any room at all for individual liberty you're basically saying you trust the state to force everybody to live a good life. I for one don't want to live wrapped up in cotton wool, I'm not a child. And like I already said I'm not saying 'drugs r grate maaaaan' I'd gladly gas all the junkies in my hometown but they're the price you pay for not living in a totalitarian nanny state.

i agree cuckoo
id rather have my community enforce that on me

>>129700324
The current drug laws aren't severe.

We don't shoot drug addicts on sight, we sell drugs in shops in fact

>>129700645
>Personally know people who have been thrown in jail for having an ounce of weed
>They can no longer cross the border
>Getting a job is way fucking harder for them now
>Not severe

>>129700518
Not being allowed to take drugs is not "living in a totalitarian state" stop being such a fucking drama queen. Every first world country is a drug infested shit hole, I'd rather live under stricter rule than have to deal with that.

It stops when it hurts the community. Drug laws help the community.

>>129691977
ban all drugs

>>129691977
Sure. Just forfeit your life insurance and if you live in an actual first world country, forfeit free Medicare.

>>129700918
They're alive aren't they? I'd have them executed. I'd prefer it if individuals have total freedom, but those people who you "personally know" are the ones who fuck it up for everyone.

>>129701070
Drug laws are ineffective at preventing drug abuse and disincentivize people from actually getting help to deal with addiction for fear of losing their human rights.

>>129701263
So anything short of killing them outright is "mild" to you? It sounds like the tree of liberty will drink well off of you.

>>129701070

M8 I've explained several times now that I'm not just talking about drugs, I'm talking about the justifications for blanketly prohibiting them and how they could be abused. I hate discussing this because people just dig their heels in and don't even fucking read what's been said

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>>129691977
weed doesn't make you paranoid, the thought of being arrested because you are smoking weed makes you paranoid.

>>129701432
>Drug laws are ineffective at preventing drug abuse

Wrong. Look at Philippines. They have extremely low rates of drug use because of their strict laws. We actually give drug addicts money and healthcare in Europe and we have extremely high rates of drug use.

>disincentivize people from actually getting help to deal with addiction
If you've ever met an addict you'd know it is not worth the resoruces helping them. I've on several occasions tried to help alcoholics, junkies, coke heads, they all spit in your fucking face when you try to help. It's not worth the resources.

>So anything short of killing them outright is "mild" to you?
Giving them money, free paraphernalia and free access to clinics and promotion in TVs and movies is "mild" treatment, yes it is.

>>129701645
Everything can be abused though? Drug use is an example of individual liberty being abused.

>>129693216
Thanks. Too bad it is quite hard to legally posess one here. But it is not impossible either.

>>129693216
also

> Belgian gun
> Black plastic waffle grips

>>129702044
Trying to force shit on them isn't going to work, but when they want to get help but can't because they'll be prosecuted instead, that's fucking stupid.

>>129702407
I'd recommend it. Jump through the hoops you need to jump through. It's worth it.

>>129693326
You are correct. They should allow us to shoot these degenerates and improve our society.

dude weed

>>129702507
>Trying to force shit on them isn't going to work
It can and does work. The countries with the strictest control, drug use is virtually non existent.

The countries that give them the "help" you think they deserve, all have extremely high rates of drug use. Look at Portugal, it's full of fucking junkies.

I'm guessing you don't have much experience with this. Have you ever been to a rehab clinic? Do you think they have high rates of success? They don't. And the drug addicts RESENT you for sending them to it. And it costs the taxpayers money because lord knows drug addicts can't afford it.

>>129702860
People who CHOOSE to quit do so easily. People who are SENT to a rehab clinic with no intent to quit don't. You have to be seriously dense not to see the difference.

>>129703273
Okay that breaks down you're little sob story of them needing "help" then. What's your justification now that you admit they are willingly damaging the community without any intention of stopping?

>>129703531
Seriously dense, it is.

>>129703802
Not an argument.

You know you've won when your opposition resorts to this.

>>129703965
You're incapable of understanding the difference between forcing someone to do something and helping someone who wants help to do something. Having any sort of reasonable discussion with you is clearly not going to happen if you conflate the two and deem killing both groups acceptable "for the greater good".

You have the terrible combination of having terrible ethics and the misplaced belief that you can or should push them onto others.

>>129704736
Yes it is acceptable "for the greater good".

You honestly believe the inverse of that? you believe in letting them degenerate society for the greater bad?!

And yes I understand the difference between people going to rehab willingly and unwillingly. Fucking no one goes to rehab willingly that's the difference. And even if they do the success rate is still extremely low, thats why they are called "addicts"

Two kinds of people. Those that want to be left alone, and those that won't leave everyone the fuck alone.

>>129705486
Have fun when some loser gives your daughter drugs and she ends up a homeless whore.

I want to be left alone, thats why I want a community safe from drugs.

>>129698309
Apples and oranges

Of course drugs are dangerous. Just like anything else someone fucks it up for the rest of us.

>>129705310
>Fucking no one goes to rehab willingly. And even if they do the success rate is still extremely low
That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence.

I don't pretend to have any agency, moral or otherwise, over the lives of others.

It is not justifiable homicide and it never has been. No one is holding a gun up to your head and forcing you to take a fucking thing. You're just too much of a bitch to see people living their lives however they fucking choose if it's any way different from how you choose to live yours.

>>129701867
This is not true at all

I'm one of the rare far right people that supports drug legalization. We should fight the degeneracy of drug addicts through stronger community ties and a sense of purpose and identity.

>>129707848
It's not rare at all for right-libertarians.

>>129708030
I'm more fash than libertarian these days.

>>129691977
Okay

>>129706410
You have no agency over the lives of others then why are you discussing the lives of others?

You are asserting that you should be able to control the level of control other people have over other people, it doesn't make any sense does it?

If you took your freedom principle to the extreme then you can't actually enforce your freedom principle, so obviously you must believe in a degree of practicality aswell.

>>129708296
>By not wanting to impose arbitrary restrictions on the lives of others, you're arguing that you want restrictions on the lives of others
Are you fucking stupid? No.

>>129708296
This argument ignores the distinction between positive and negative liberty and is a dumb gotcha that will convince no one.

>>129708620
Restricting me, from imposing arbitrary restrictions, is an arbitrary restriction.

>legal recreational drugs
>public healthcare

pick one

>>129708829
The rights of one person end exactly where the rights of another begin. If you try to ignore my right to self-ownership or anything derived therefrom I will justifiably murderize the fuck out of you and fine your estate for the cost of the ammo.

>>129708296
>safety standards

>>129708787
It has absolutely nothing to do with positive and negative liberty.

Not letting me impose laws on others, is imposing a law on me. Freedom as a concept makes absolutely zero sense because we don't live in a closed system. What makes sense are results.

>>129708991
Exactly. Your rights end where my rights begin. So you have no right to interfere with me imposing laws.

>>129708999
I forbid you from making such arguments! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>129709117
The "right" to interfere with the rights of others does not exist. All rights are extensions of self-ownership. Your self-ownership does not entitle you to a second of anyone's finite time alive or anything they produce with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrT0kBeld3Q

Your argument is going precisely nowhere if you don't even know what a right even is.

>>129691977
Maybe if taking drugs didn't affect others which they often do when drug adicts rob for money or cause accidents in traffic. And what is wrong with that the government tries to stop you from doing objectivly stupid and bad things to yourself and others?

>>129709506
Correct, and YOUR self-ownership doesn't entitle YOU to dictate whether I adhere to YOUR principles of self-ownership

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>>129709702
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>>129709823
Yeah cos you in your house with your gun and your "self-ownership" is much stronger than a regulated community, sure thing buddy

>>129691977
i know what you can put in my body

>>129710316
Okay can you libertarians at least agree that we can shoot this guy?

>>129710649
Nope. I'd rather he shoot you with fully automatic rifles while defending his pot farm.

>>129711036
Well he's gonna have a hard time spotting me inbetween my GIANT national socialist army

>>129711257
you thilly gooth stepper you

>>129711257
So you're saying I should be stocking up on explosive ordnance too? Sounds good to me. I always wanted a mortar...

>>129711467
Yeah and you'll need a radar to check for our planes. Has to be constantly monitored btw. You need an anti-aircraft gun aswell. And the mortar at the same time.

You're going to need a LOT of these aswell. Jeese how are you gonna do that. . ? Hmmmm . .. . Oooo I have an idea, you could form a regulated society with rules and systems in place to ensure your nation is well protected!

Sure is some solid LARPing in this thread.

>>129711848
or we can just wait for the russian hordes to over run you guys again

>>129697401
>won't pay taxes to keep a non-violent person fed and free
>will pay more taxes to keep a non-violent person in jail because they made a decision that doesn't actually affect you
Individuals who use drugs do not have anything to do with you. It should not be a crime, not even "low level" crime. Mind your own fucking business.

>>129711971
Shut up pedophile no one asked you

>>129711971
And then buy all their cheap milsurp. Yum.

>>129712008
Drug addicts cost society money in theft, healthcare and exploiting people's kindess.

It costs nothing to kill them.

>>129712203
Aut

>>129712049
So you agree you need some other authoritarian super power to come in and save you? HA

>>129691977

I think it doesn't really matter what you do, because you can't stop smart people.

>>129712008
Drug crime is a fucking scam designed to take advantage of and jail the poor, keep the police departments overfunded, and give fat ass DEA agents jobs.

>>129691977
>legalize druggos
True, but don't expect public tax dollars to pay your hospital bill when you OD. When you nod out at the wheel of a semi, expect a quick lynching, also. Druggos are such losers. Live clean, live free!

>>129694724
Looks like you got BTFO

>>129691977

I agree, they should be legal.

It makes it much easier to root you out/ deny employment/ chase you out of town when we know which ones are junkies.

>>129712562
All Correct.
Drug use is also a scam designed to keep the population complacent, distracted and manipulable.
We should be killing them, not jailing them.

>>129712413
No, I'm saying that you'll create enough enemies that I won't have to do much more than not be a soft target and wait until you fuck yourselves over like you always will.

>>129712846
You're not even a real society, you're just some dude in a house with a gun pretending he's free

>>129712837
The population has always been complacent, distracted, and manipulable even without drug use. What reality have you been living in?

>>129712959
There are a lot of well armed dudes out there who value freedom the way I do. It's going to cost you a lot of lives to get rid of them.

>>129713086
They have not always been that way. Americans started a war over a fucking tax on tea. Can you imagine that happening now?

>>129713231
People value security and resources, not freedom. You only value freedom because you think it will bring you security.

>>129713727
There's no such thing as security. You just change the threats around.

>>129713884
People aren't going to want to defend you when they're all on drugs

>>129706780
No it is 100% true. I'm a pot user for over 10 years, the whole paranoia thing is just silly. The only times I've ever been paranoid that was caused by weed is when I light a fat one in a street corner hoping nobody would see me, or something similar. I work hard, and I fucking deserve a joint every now and then to relieve the stress, otherwise somebody would hook me on benzos or whatever, which are far worse than weed.
You literally have no argument against this, you probably never even tried weed.

>>129709823
U GOT FUCKED RIGHT HERE BRUH..

>>129692044
what about fags? AND I DONT MEAN THE DISGUSTING COCK CUKING FAGS

>>129714413
>deserve a joint every now and then to relieve the stress, otherwise somebody would hook me on benzos

WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH I NEED DRUGS TO STOP THE PAIN OF WORKING WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

If I didnt smoke weed I'd do benzos or WAAAAAH worse I'd WAAAGH WAWAAAAH MOMMY or worse I'd KILL MYSELF!!!!

You fucking baby ahhhaahha

>>129713450
The war started almost entirely because of propaganda. Most of those revolutionaries were alcoholics as well. Submissive personalities and herd mentality makes one complacent.

>>129714745
Are you like.fucjing 12 mate?
Are you trying to fucking pretentious the pain doesn't exist?
Have you seen.ym autocorrect?
Do you even biology?

Nothing personal kiddo, but you don't know shit about anytbing.

Lurk more.

>>129715100
He thinks that you should just live with crippling pain because otherwise you're a pussy. I, for one, would prefer to spend my willpower on things other than suffering through easily preventable pain.

>>129715283
No I think dulling your senses to avoid pain instead of naturally adapting to it through repeated stimulation makes you a pussy.

That guy literally used the same argument teenage girls use when they dont get what they want "You're not gonna buy me the new iphone?! Well I'd rather be dead then! Do you want that? That's what you want isnt it! YOU WANT ME TO KILL MYSELF! FUCK YOU DAD!"
That's literally the logic he used.

>>129693005
I'm not all that worried about crimes under the influence as I'm worried about having a zombified horde of brain-dead degenerates that's practically good for nothing.

I'd rather if scientists invested an effort into creating a non-physically addictive, non-damaging drug that's at the same time very pleasurable. Give us Soma already.

t. former coke fiend

>>129715609
You pulled the suicide thing completely out of your ass and are trying to shove it in his mouth. If your argument is so weak that you have to fabricate the opposing argument in order to defeat it, you're pathetic.

Also, that's not how neurology works.

>>129715834
He said he'd have to take benzos if he couldn't get weed.
Thats the exact same argument as the suicide argument. "If you dont let me do that im gonna hurt myself! do you want me to hurt myself?!?!"

And that is exactly how neurology works. People even adapt to torture. You know your eyeballs constantly vibrate ever so slightly to prevent your mind from adapting to the stimulus so that you don't go blind when looking at the same thing for long periods of time?

>>129714745
Holy shit where's all that edge coming from?
Boy I work as a mechanic, sometimes 12 hours a day depending on the amount of work I have, and I have to deal with dumb people on a daily basis, and you're calling me a crybaby for wanting to relax by smoking pot?
Get out of the fucking basement and live your life you fucking degenerate

>>129716209
I'm calling you a crybaby for saying you NEED it. And for your teenage girl threat to take benzos if you didn't have it.

>>129716172
>>129716360
Not wanting to take a worse alternative is not the same as threatening to kill yourself.
Who are you to say what other people need? Oh right, some self-important asshole.

>>129716360
Who said I needed it? I was arguing in favour of marijuana, and I mentioned benzos(or any other stress-relief perscription drug) as a far worse alternative.
Yes I can live with the pain and the stress of work, sure, but what's wrong with making it a bit easier?

>>129716509
You're retarded for thinking you HAVE to take a drug in the first place. You don't have to take benzos just because you stop smoking weed. You don't have to drink or smoke cigarettes either btw, before you say weed is curing your liver by stopping you from drinking.

>>129716927
You said if you didn't have weed "someone would hook you on benzos" as if it's totally out of your control and not taking drugs isnt even a possibility

You don't have the right to tell someone else what they can and can't do in their own time on their own dime where they aren't violating anyone else right to do the same. If they want to fuck up their own life and be degenerate let them. They aren't entitled to your charity or sympathy.

>>129716964
I don't HAVE to do anything you dumb retard, I WANT to.
You obviously don't understand or know anything about hard physical labor let alone stress. The most stressful thing you've encountered was a well constructed leftist banter you saw on twitter you dumb selfcentered cunt

>>129717281
Have fun when your daughter sucks some dealers cock for cocaine then. Doesn't effect you ;)

>>129717597
Well the dealer problem would be fixed by legalizing cocaine then :^))))

>>129717399
You phrased in a way that implied it was out of your control, intentionally to blame the ill effects of benzo use on weed regulation rather than your choices. Don't pretend you didn't.

>>129717786
Have fun when your daughter sucks some homeless drug addicts guys cock for cocaine then ;) you're right thats much better

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>someone needs drugs for w/e reason (maybe insomnia, as an example)
>has to schedule appointment with doctor, tell doctor he needs drug (cause can't sleep)
>doc gives him a paper
>now he can get drug that he knew he needed
It's almost as if some of these steps can be cut out so people don't have to wait weeks just to get an OK from some rando to go buy something.

>>129717988
HAHAAHAHAHAAHHA

You think people actually use weed for medical reasons and not to just get high?

AHAHAAAAHAHAHAAA

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>>129695397
>>129695450
nice links anon. I wish I had these in the past when the faggots insist you have 100 links.

Even with links faggots want to believe that smoking weed is not harmful.

>>129718168
Right, people totally make high CBD/low THC strains to get really fucking high. That totally makes sense and doesn't make you look like a fucking retard.

>>129717597
Dumb statist has to outsource enforcement of moral decency to the nanny state. Any daughter of mine that did that would be disowned and she'd know that.

>>129717885
You don't understand the human psyche, do you? I have a friend who's daughter is a giant slut. Do you know why? Because he's been restricting her everything since she was a child, and him being an alcoholic himself, you can imagine the whole atmosphere in his family house. She does it out of rebellion.
Same is with drug addicts, the more authority you try to put on them, instead of trying to help them, you will make the problem much worse. By legalising ALL drugs, and actually make the country care about it's people and help them realize how hard drugs really affect people, they will be much more likely to come around than just the fear of being imprisoned. I can't remember the exact country (I think it's Denmark) who fully legalized both hard and soft drugs and made institutions where the drug user had a room to shoot up and cause no harm to his surroundings, and as a result much more people went into rehab because of the friendlier environment they received.

>>129718432
That high CBD/ low THC nonsense is such shit.
They make shit low strength weed and call it "High CBD" and retards spend money on it thinking its more "chill".
Such a scam.

It's more chill because you're not as fucking high retard. If you want CBD then don't smoke it.

>>129718677
Have fun disowning your daughters then.

>>129692780

sh and go back to hammed ramming your cunt asshole, you silly brit

>>129718853
She's a slut because her dad is a degenerate alcoholic not because of "rules" LOL

The country you're thinking of is Portugal, and its a drug infested shithole. Has the highest drug use in Europe, which is still increasing. Full of junkies.

>>129718941
Have fun having one in the first place. How many blonde haired and blue eyed women want a LARPing manchild as the father of her children?

>>129718871
I'd rather take CBD in pill form, but that's even more difficult to acquire.
It's not "low strength", it reduces pain more effectively.

>>129719263
You honestly think dealers selling "High CBD" strains are legit? lmao. Those aren't high cbd strains they are LOW thc strains lmao.

I think CBD should be legal in pill form over the counter, because CBD isn't a recreational drug. Weed possession should still be punished by death.

>>129692706
No, you're just mad because you see degenerate faggots who can no longer control their urges, emotions or even motoric functions doing drugs. I very seen degenerate faggots during water before but the water isn't the cause of degeneracy. There are plenty of well adjusted and respectable drug users but you could never tell because they aren't degenerate faggots. You interact with drug users daily that you don't even know. The only ones you notice are the obnoxious retarded ones.

>>129719488
You're a fucking loon and that kind of thought process will only lead to you catching a bullet.

>>129719161
>https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.7PrYmre9o
>Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use
>There has also been a decline in the percentage of the population who have ever used a drug and then continue to do so
You were saying?

And he has been enforcing those "rules" before he became an alcoholic

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>>129719649
Well you know, a great leader once managed to eliminate drug use in Europe and he had massive crowds of people supporting him.

>>129719824
Hitler didn't eliminate drug use in the slightest. Hell, they developed methamphetamine based combat drugs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX

>>129719824
Lmao Hitler was Europa's #1 amphetamine abuser

>>129691977
>>2012

>>129719263
CBD is most effective in a sublingual tincture

>t. Dispensary manager

>>129720251
Either way, I don't want to smoke it if I can avoid it.

>>129719760
"Reported lifetime use of "all illicit drugs" increased from 7.8% to 12%, lifetime use of cannabis increased from 7.6% to 11.7%, cocaine use more than doubled, from 0.9% to 1.9%, ecstasy nearly doubled from 0.7% to 1.3%, and heroin increased from 0.7% to 1.1%"
- Cardoso, Manuel; Santos, Ana Sofia; Duarte, Óscar (2009).
-Portuguese Focal Point report (2008 data) to the EMCDDA. Lisbon, Portugal: Institute for Drug and Drug Addiction (IDT,I.P.). Retrieved 2011-06-11

His daughter would NOT have been able to be a slut if degeneracy were illegal and not promoted. She certainly wouldn't be able to drink if you got shot on sight for owning alcohol.

No alcohol = No drinking. Period.

I know plenty of examples of girls from families who didn't have very strict upbringings at all that ended up homeless alcoholic whores.

>>129720669
Alcohol is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, yet plenty of people there still drink like fish. It's almost as if laws don't stop people from doing illegal shit.

People still commit murder in states where the death penalty exists.

>>129721138
That's because it's full of dirty muslims and they don't shoot alcoholics on sight.

The Phillipinnes have an extremely low rate of drug use because they kill drug dealers on sight.

>>129721138
Also you should think of it more like a disease. You have to kill the infection before it spreads, no point in cutting your right hand off when your entire torso is infected.

>>129701867
written by someone who has never smoked weed ever

>>129692044

But the truth is prohibition & the black market gives you even less say what's being sold near your homes, far increases the dangers associated with the drugs themselves & is an unstoppable generator of addiction and criminality. Everyone suffers when drugs are illegal, user and non-users both.

The answer is to legalise drugs according to their potential for harm. So cannabis gets regulated like alcohol. Opium & coca leaf get sold in pharmacies to adults only, Heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine are only available to confirmed addicts for consumption in specialist clinics, & never allowed to be taken off the premises.

Its a difficult problem to solve, but the current approach sure as fuck ain't working.

>>129720409
You shouldn't. In my experience, most CBD strains are weak as fuck and taste like old hay. Either use edibles or a distillate, or possibly shatter if you don't mind vaporizing.

>>129693107

>Plus, it's not as fun, going into a store and buying weed

Well there's a reason to legalise it if ever there was one. How many people are lured into the drug subculture through the attraction of forbidden fruit.

>>129693319

Hitchens doesn't have a clue what he's talking about on drug policy. Pity, cos he's right about almost everything else.

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>>129691977
Only if we allow isurance companies to exclude any treatment related to drugs, and allow hospitals to let you die of your overdose instead of spending money you wont pay back to treat it.

Any argument that can be made against Weed can be made against alcohol and smoking. can't have double standards. But another problem is welfare states, where people might have to pay for healthcare of drug users, that is also unfair. legalizing weed should also include making it safer, just like legal alcohol as a whole is monitored by the FDA.

Keeping drugs illegal actually helps criminals and corrupt government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY

>>129725481
They're not necessarily the same thing. There's a difference between a drug thats already spread through out all of society and one that less than 10% of people use. One's a lot easier to control than the other.

I'm not so sure alcohol and smoking should be illegal, Im open to the possibility, but it's not the same thing as other drugs. They all have different situations surrounding their use and require different solutions.

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>>129691977
>Drugs should be legal because they are fun and the government shouldn't be allowed to dictate to us what we can put in our body.
>Recreational drug use is slowly killing me and medical help is too expensive, taxpayers and the government should pay for all my medical treatments.

Pick one.

I was going to say that drugs are redpilled as fuck (when taken responsibly), because they are, but then I remembered that if you take drugs like crack, heroin or PCP you're a massive fag

>>129691977
There is such a thing as the "social fabric" which is damaged when individuals take substances that affect their behavior in ways that undermine their social functioning.

>>129726875
And how is this inherently bad?