Say it with me! W.I.N.N.I.N.G https://nytimes.com/2017/06/

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>>129626483
Classic drumpf

>>129626483
Normally I'd say he was playing 66D Chess, but honestly he's just a jew sympathizer. FUck him

I-I-IT'S JUST 20478129-DIMENSIONAL MULTI-UNIVERSAL CHESS

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>>129629648
Is that supposed to be news? /pol/ knew this before the election.

Out of curiosity - why would people be against preventing people from the shittest countries on Earth travelling to the USA?

>>129629648
>>129628609
>>129626483
no one gives a shit about you commie larpers, kill yourselves.

>itt retards don't realize that SCOTUS is next

>>129626483
Oh man who coulda saw this coming?! Anybody posting in this thread with any degree of surprise is a fucking retard

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>>129630268
>Tfw SCOTUS btfos dru- I mean trump

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You faggots with your muh jews are just as bad as those antifa faggots with their muh nazis. Literally the same coin, different sides. Trump is the best we could have right now. America is still the one and only super power and no one can even compete other than bitch and moan and cry about how jelly they are that they're not American.

Why is everyone celebrating this?

How is it progressive to import regressive 3rd world peoples wholesale?

>>129630816
because they're leftists and/or kremlin faggots who are still buttblasted Trump tomahawked their faggot wanna be white savior putin

Hard to fight Deep ST8 shill

You realize there's nothing unconstitutional if Trump were to just ignore them right. It won't happen but the screeching from it would be deafening

>>129626483
>appeals court
What? The travel ban was already cleared to be reviewed by the SCOTUS.

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rofl

>>129629808
I am pretty sure the MSM is trying to confuse people into thinking this is the supreme court ruling. They seem to repeat the negative news they already reported every few weeks to try to dupe the masses.

The decision, from a three-judge panel, was unanimous. It was issued jointly by Judges Michael Daly Hawkins, Ronald M. Gould and Richard A. Paez. All three were appointed by President Bill Clinton.

>All three were appointed by President Bill Clinton.

>All three were appointed by President Bill Clinton.

>All three were appointed by President Bill Clinton.

I can't believe this could happen... What a surprise!

>>129631983
>>129631181

No I think this was an appeal on the REVISED (second) travel ban. The first travel ban is headed to the supreme court, but yeah the wording in the article is confusing.

For you tards that don't understand.

Each circuit can have it's own ruling on an issue and so the application of law can be different in these jurisdictions and this is where the Supreme Court comes in, especially on clarifying important issues of law and where circuits have differing opinions on the same law.

The ruling from the 9th circuit was fait accompli when the case was initially filed. No shock there.

The Supreme Court will uphold the travel ban and don't be surprised if it's unanimous.

>>129631162
There is precedent for a POTUS to ignore SCOTUS but it would be a guaranteed problem as Congress would file articles of impeachment and there are enough pussy republican for it to get through the house on a simple majority and very possible a conviction in the senate on a 2/3rds vote. Pussy Republicans.

>>129630268
why didnt scotus overturn the first one?

>>129626483
Summary of the recent ruling:
>Traval ban is unconstitutional because Trump didn't justify it
Why are liberals allowed to be judges? They simply ignore the constitution when it disagrees with their point of view.

>>129630013
Liberals

>>129635345
because he never brought it to the supreme court. 9th district is a meme anyways. So-called judges need to be removed by Trump.

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>>129626483
So basically he is a president who has no power.

>>129626483
The left is fucking retarded.
Trump knew you asshats would double down on this strategically placed travel ban. He knew you would make it spectacle of him losing.

But Trump knows that it's only a matter of time before some inbred rapefugee commits an incident.

With that, Trump won't have campaign in 2020. He will just say "i told you so." And win in a landslide.

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Don't worry, he still won. He just need his entire cabinet to shower praise and suck his....oh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBdSoVGz608

>>129637748
>Something bad will eventually happen
Is this Trump's entire platform? Something bad will always eventually happen regardless of how many authoritian policies you put in place.

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>>129626483
>the left blocks everything that doesnt fit their elitist agenda
>autistically screeches that trump is why it failed.

They actually think that we're this stupid.

>>129637101
Pretty much. It's a coup.

So it always goes to this 9th circuit first before it can go to SCOTUS? What's the purpose?

>>129626483

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/324336-to-block-trumps-ban-hawaii-judge-uses-psychoanalysis-not-legal

It's going to be a real tragedy when the left "wins" temporarily by getting more Americans killed in the next Truck of Peace Episode 234235245342534564356798 before the ban makes it in.

Then they will look even more obstructionist than they do already but at a new disgusting low of caring more about their partisan rhetoric than American lives.

Then it will be upheld in the SCOTUS anyway, making them not only losers but losers without any character or principle which we already knew about the average modern leftshit retard anyway.

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>>129630639
TRUMP isnt a hard name to remember or get right. Maybe if your tranny parents didnt do so much heroine before they birthed you out of a loose asshole you wouldnt be so god damn retarded. Seriously even if thats some form of insult its absolutely unwitty. Here let me give you an example since youre a blithering idiot.

>Hillary / Killary (because she kills people)

>Obama / Obummer (pronounced "oh bummer") because he failed everything and did nothing. "Thanks obama" is a meme.

Or you can just call him "the nigger". Watching you cringe kids try and make fun of someone is like watching a retard staring in awe with icecream melting down his mouth as hes trying to figure out a ferris wheel. Id ask you to try harder but that would require thought.

Anon? More like (insert random letter)anon(insert random letter) UR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR

We need a fucking purge.

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>>129631985
Time to drain that swamp next

>>129640027
>Rotherham: 1400 Girls Rochdale: Not telling Manchester: not telling Oxfordshire: 373 Girls West Midlands: 488 Shefield: more than rotherham Newcastle: "Truly Shocking"

??????

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>>129631415
Ya whats even funnier is if you have critical thinking at all you could tell trump is like "okay you wanna play okay". Trump is gonna fuck them in their ass for it. You just watch and see its gonna be funny as fuck too whatever it is. We will both be laughing.

>>129626483
>Say it with me!
>W.I.N.N.I.N.G

Say it with me!

T.E.R.R.O.R.I.S.M.

Coming soon to an American city near you, faggot OP!

>>129626483
at least he didn't defeat his own lawyers' arguments by insisting it is a TRAVEL BAN on twitter.

he 2 smart 4 that

>>129626483

> Just waiting for people to realize that nobody didn't expect it because the 9th District is a joke and the point is to escalate it to SCOTUS

> Doesn't realize that if Trump loses, it opens the floodgates to judicial activism that will either paralyse the country or lead to totalitarianism as the President will dismantle the judiciary

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>>129641663
Its their rape count. Their government is so ashamed that they wont even release the numbers.

FUCKING LIBERALS.

Fuck the man is trying to make your country safe, and those fucking SJW judges are trying to make the place more dangerous.
I dont understand, the law says President can block travel if its in the best interests of the country.. how can they keep doing this shit?

FUCK INBRED DEMON-RAT SUPPORTERS

>>129642251
it's just that the layout of the sign isn't that good

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>>129640027
>America is only for white people!
>Some how the left is elitist

Fuck off fascist

>>129642211
>Doesn't realize that if Trump loses, it opens the floodgates to judicial activism that will either paralyse the country or lead to totalitarianism as the President will dismantle the judiciary
Explain. The latter option especially.

>>129626483
>Not letting the supreme court decide the ban

Does Trump like to fail so much? What's stopping him from breaking up the 4th and 9th Circuit. My president really is retarded in a way.

>>129641968
why didn't he ban the saudis?

>>129641332
>That will be upheld by the SCOTUS

People have been saying that for months and Trump is still using the 4th and 9th circuit. He's not even breaking them up. Stop defending him when he does retarded things. It won't go to the SCOTUS because Trump is dumber then dogshit

>>129642403

How long can an executive deal with judges randomly saying "Nope" to anything they don't like? Either the country becomes stupidly bureaucratic or a President wages war and defangs the judiciary entirely.

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>>129641663
The rape epidemic is from "refugees' https://youtu.be/BIqfqtkhdSM

Well at least there's TSA said no one ever.

>>129642741
I get that, but how exactly would the President do anything to the judiciary?

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This travel ban needs to fucking pass already, I hate the 9th Circuit so fucking much. There are more hajis coming to California, they've even got a mosque built for them by the University in my city. You guys just watch, it's only going to be a matter of time before these fucking hajis get uppity except there won't be any white people around that they can fuck with, only Beans that will react accordingly

>post yfw dumbass liberals trip over themselves on who to side with when Beans start taking sandniggers out in California

>>129642741
>muh trump more important than separation of powers
>things I don't understand are just random

Doesn't this mean Trump will be able to take this to the Supreme Court?

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>>129630013
Think about it for a second, what other opinions do people who support uncontrolled immigration of Muslims to the Western World also hold? One other key opinion they usually hold is something along the lines of 'Muslims and terrorists have legitimate grievances with the West and this justifies their terrorist actions'. Sometimes its not said in so many words, but then again it very often is as well. Add to that almost any other random opinion that person holds, you can bet it works to destablise or subvert Western society, the family or long held traditions and institutions in some way..

Do you still need to ask your question?

Always kill a traitor before an enemy.

>>129642251
It's the victim count, not the rape count. The rape count could be a hundred times more. Technically speaking.

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>>129626483
Since the 9th circuit has a 20% uphold on its cases I think your counting chickens before they hatch. Say it with me Winning.

>>129642337
Who made this cartoon MSNBC? They mass murder all over the world on a day to day basis. Seriously what the fuck is this? Kill who ever drew that.

>>129642966

IT WAS HER TURN

F.A.I.L.U.R.E

>>129626483
>le 56% face
>le yuropoors can't control their border face

>>129629648
If you are a Christian, you would realize we all have Jewish blood, it is impossible not to. We are all descendants. You have to know Trump's plan, his endgame. Trump believes Jesus is the messiah. Trump knows the Zionist tricks. He also knows they all worship Moloch. Give him time to kill the Zog, as it can not happen over night.

>>129643018
That's the plan. Then it cannot be overturned.

>Travel ban was only intended to last 90 days as a means to reevaluate the vetting process for immigants
>It's been way past 90 days and literally nothing has happened
>The countries on the ban list aren't even the ones actual terrorists have come from in the past.


Just because the EU was retarded and let any mudslime waltz into their country with little to no screening doesn't mean the US is. This shit accomplishes absolutely nothing aside from appeasing Trump's retarded voterbase. Doesn't help he shot himself in the foot MULTIPLE times with his incessant tweeting about it.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if even if it went to the Supreme Court he gets cucked there too

>>129643039
>uncontrolled immigration
who supports this again? boogeymen or strawmen?

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>>129642337
>paris 2015 - 193 dead

And thats just one incident on one day by 2 people with AKs in a gun free country

>>129643095
fuck hillary, what's she got to do with anything?

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>>129630013
jews are not people, anon

>>129643163
>Trump believes Jesus is the messiah
The guy who doesn't ask for God's forgiveness? Did he read that in two chronicles?

>>129642632
Is trump just floundering this travel ban in appeals counts until it would be expired anyways? This signals to me hes not really anti immigration but wants his voters to perceive he is.

>>129642966

> Judges literally stopping Trump because "I don't like it and it hurts my feelings"

> But they're judges maaaane, they're pretty much like Gods among men

>>129642337
>2 deaths per year
Huh, I didn't know that the 9/11 attacks happened during the 4th century.

>>129642337
>Some how the left is elitist
Yes? The left looks down on working class whites.
>America is only for white people!
Not all white people are rich, nor should they be.
Hint: being a proponent of hierarchy and everyone in their rightful place (America is for whites) is the opposite of elitism. Working class people should be respected and honored, not condescended to and belittled.

>>129643417
>greentext strawman is now considered an argument
low energy post

>>129643223
I wonder if they realize how fucking retarded this is now.
If Trump loses if anything happens in the US Trump can now say I fucking told you so nonstop and get more support
If Trump wins, congratulations now any president can do this shit without any kind of opposition and tell anyone who complains that the supreme court allows him to do that.

The best case scenario for the Democrats is the status que which can't last forever. When this game ends, no matter how it ends, Trump and the GOP wins.

>>129643234
Immigrants into the US are vetted by the state department and every single intelligence agency. There is no evidence that there are flaws in our vetting system or a hole in our security system that the travel ban will fix.

Terrorist attacks on US soil are always committed either by an immigrant who has lived in the US for a decade or more, or a second generation muslim born in the US. Muslim terrorism in the US is a result of radicalization while in the US, not from immigration. A travel ban will do nothing to stop this.

The travel ban doesn't do anything to help our country. It's just a bunch of rhetoric designed to appease people who don't like muslims and immigrants, rather than actually helping our national security. Trump has also shot himself in the foot over it with his comments on muslims.

>>129643537
Do it then im tired of waiting. Keep these asshole out of the country.

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>>129643234
So what youre saying is "oh an attack didnt happen. All clear lets all drop our guard nothings gonna happen". If you joined the military youd be the first one dead. I hope you never become a safety rep in a building.

>>129626483
WTF Can We do about this? How do we Cut out the kike's control of the judicial system?

>>129642966
> Random, non-elected judges have more power to decide the future of America than the democratically elected President.

And this is why the US is on its way to become a third-world shithole.

>>129643465
Leftists LOVE to use the "since 9/11" statistic.

>>129630816
Destroying the American culture and people is the core of the Left's "progress".

>>129643819
>random
I don't think you know what this means, but you sure use it a lot.

>>129632906
take a (You) anon.. you deserve it.

>>129643519

> Justifying decisions based on "But person X said Y about it! Even though it was nowhere in the order and doesn't actually DO what we're saying it does, but it is!"

>>129643247
You mean an illegal immigrant who wasnt being deported because obama was a cuck.

>>129626483
9th circuit is the boil on the ass of the justice system - it needs to be lanced

to get to the supreme court you have to go through the 9th, this was expected

fake news media trying to make the most of this while they can, but wait till SC rules on it

>>129632906
>The Supreme Court will uphold the travel ban

Nope. Trump's overt animus against muslims makes the travel ban violate the establishment clause, making the travel ban unconstitutional. He could have passed the ban if he hadn't spent so much time talking out his ass about muslims.

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>>129642966


> Separation of Powers to Democrat asslicking retards

>>129643981
Oh so you don't think this is a Muslim ban? Despite trump calling for one on the campaign trail? Or you don't think it's a ban at all, like his lawyers tried to argue before he defeated their argument with a single tweet?

>>129642269
The might just be capitalists that love diversity. SJW and libertarian capitalists are no different

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>>129626483

>SHILL THREAD

Nice try, Shareblue

>>129642612
Because Saudis aren't refugees from Syria and Iraq, dumb nigger.

>>129642930
They side with muds. Beans are just a convenient voting block, muds are all too receptive to their totalitarian ideals.

>>129644120
EO's aren't acts of congress you dolt

>>129644327
and? I thought this was about stopping terrorists, weren't the 9/11 hijackers saudi?

>>129644134

> It's a Muslim ban that bans 12% of Muslims and bans non-Muslims from those countries

please kill yourself, we need the average IQ level to go up beyond that of mold

>>129643658
Our guard isn't dropped right now though. We probably have the most intensive vetting process of out of any western country that actually allows immigrations and it's been that way for a while now in this post 9/11 world.

Basically what >>129643547 in that the radicalization has been happening from WITHIN the US, not terrorists flying in from internationally. The travel ban is literally nothing but Trump jerking his ego off

>>129643868
Hey, guess what.

Even with the Travel Ban it wouldn't have stopped 9/11. Know why? The grand majority of those terrorists were trained and from a country NOT ON THE BAN LIST.

Who did Trump just sign a huge arms deal with yet again?? :^)))

>>129644391
Are you under the impression that an EO can't be ruled unconstitutional?

>>129626483
>Say it with me!
>W.I.N.N.I.N.G
Doesn't it bother you that the 9th circuit is literally violating the constitution by doing this?

Oh, I forgot you're a cock-sucking libtard. Law means nothing to you. Reason means nothing to you. Justice means nothing to you.

Well bitch, I have bad news for you. There is absolutely no way the Supreme Court will side with the 9th Circuit. Your well-used ass is going to be hurting badly that day, I can tell you.

>>129631181
Exactly. It's a shill thread. Travel ban is headed to SCOTUS so trying to paint this as a defeat for Trump is just (((Jew York Times))) doing its usual. This is an outlet that hinged an entire narrative upon Comey and then Comey called them liars, whereupon they just tripled down on the already dead narrative.

>>129643163
>we all have Jewish blood
Well not according to science, but you believe whatever special thing you need to believe.

Has it ever occurred to you to ask if the kikes are lying about being the people of ancient Israel? No, I guess you're not that smart.

>>129644612
>Violating the constitution by upholding the constitution

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This will go to the supreme court. We all knew it would.

Too many activist judges.

>>129644742

> Upholding the constitution by violating it

>>129626483
>Another delay, and the retards go mad, not realizing the islamic threat that wants to harm them.
>They celebrate as if it's a victory.
Sucks to be so stupid.

Do you know what islam teaches you silly silly person.. you are but a beggar to your own demise.

Reminder that the travel ban violates the establishment clause and is unconstitutional

>>129631162
Ill assume he will go along with this until he gets it to the SCOTUS,
Ignoring the ruling would look really bad and make republicans in congress cry. Might as well hold off on it for awhile.

But yeah, he could just ignore the ruling. the Courts don't have to the right to rule on this

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>>129645451
*REDPILL REDPILL REDPILL REDPILL REDPILL*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZcUAPRRac
>all awaits the light, don't be afraid the sun shines in your eyes, and the world counts loud to 10. 1.. here comes the sun.. it is the darkest star from them all.. here comes the "sun" (saturn).

Allah was the leader of the fallen angels.. it's recorded in the epic of arthrahasis

Are you curious? let's take a look.

“Allah” at the beginning of the epic where all of the gods are laboring in slavery for the head deity, Enlil, and then one rebellious deity named “Allah” then revolts against Enlil where Enlil crushes the rebellion and then defeats Allah who was also called Tammuz in Sumerian mythology. Yet this defeat of the rebellion caused by this god of war “Allah” is not considered evil, but his loss is lamented over:

>Alas the lad, the warrior Ninazu! Alas the lad, my lad, my Damu! Alas the lad, the child Ningishzida! Alas the lad, Allah, owner of the net!…The shepherd, lord Dumuzi, bridegroom of Inanna … [The bitter cry for him! the bitter] cry [for him!] [The bitter] cry for the captive D[umuzi!] The bitter cry [for] the captive Ama-ushumgal-anna! Woe the lad, the child Ningishzida! Woe the lad, Ishtaran of shining visage! Woe the lad, Allah, owner of the net![2]

Allah became the chief diety of the arabic pantheon where muhammad grew up into. He was considered a HIGH deity in the arabic pantheon.

>weeping for tammuz closely resembles a sexual ritual as depicted in movies like eyes wide shut.. and ezekiel 8-10 abominations in the temple of judah where the jews conduct/do it in secret. Thinking that god does not see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOnSh3QlpbQ

>>129644426
I never said it was effective

>>129644120
the constitution doesn't apply to people outside of the us. trump isn't trying to establish a national religion. he's not even preventing muslims inside the us from practicing islam. by that logic, the japanese have a right to bear arms under our 2nd amendment. and besides, the judiciary is only supposed to review the constitutionality of a law based solely on the text itself. if we're going to rate constitutionality on what he said and not on the content itself, then you could rule anything you don't like as unconstitutional and allude to what he said as your rationalization.

>>129645864
Wrong they are terrorist faring countries first hence the ban and religious second.

>>129646220
allah is etymologically related to el, another name for yahweh.

the lucifer myth of a "fallen angel" is based on the Canaanite story of Attar's attempt to usurp the throne of Baal (both Attar and Lucifer are associated with the morning star, Venus. Both Baal and Yahweh reside on holy mountains).

Yahweh absorbed attributes of El and Baal when the Hebrew thought moved from polytheism to henotheism/monotheism.

>>129645451
>>129646220
>>129646936

no-one cares fags

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>>129642930
>it's only going to be a matter of time before these fucking hajis get uppity

>>129646572
>He doesn't understand the establishment clause

The Establishment Clause is structural. The value of a structural constitutional limit in the current context is that it permits a person currently lawfully in the United States--such as a Muslim US citizen or Muslim lawful permanent resident--to object to what the government is doing even though what it is doing occurs overseas (at US embassies and consulates where applicants are denied visas) or at ports of entry.

The argument over what constitutional rights may or may not apply to non-citizens is irrelevant here since a US citizen can use the structural nature of the Establishment Clause to object to actions taken by the US government outside the US.

>>129646936
>allah is etymologically related to el, another name for yahweh.
Misunderstood. He was one of the el's (one of the gods) who were cast out for making war with them. (cast out from the realm of the fiery stones of immortality)

He was associated with 2 symbols or 3 for the intiates.. the crescent and the star and the cube. (crescent and star refer to saturn) the cube also refers to saturn north pole. Ezekiel 28 isaiah 14 gives these precise symbols. Lucifer son of the morning star is a mistranslation of heylal bin sahar/saharon meaning oh you star brightness of the crescent.. star and crescent, but it isn't the moon they are talking about it's saturn, under certain situation crescent and star is how saturn is viewed. a disc and an illumination. This is how he was represented from times of antiquity till now, and in islam you have the whole thing.. the crescent the star and the kaaba. Those verses also says he was in the garden of eden embroided with all kinds of precious stones (awards) perfect in all his ways till a flaw was discovered in him (his rebellion).

This is why the occultists are so fascinated with trying to contact him in his prison (the bottomless pit 4d hypercube of the kaaba) or understand what happened the biblical god says he is evil for giving mankind understanding (freemasons is saturnalian cult).

>>129647093
I think he doest protest too much.

>>129646910
The basis of the argument against the travel ban is that the ban is rooted in animus against muslims, and therefore violates the Establishment Clause. The motive behind the ban matters as much as the text of the ban itself. Legal precedent establishes that government action that would be constitutional if undertaken for permitted motives is unconstitutional if undertaken for forbidden motives.

The travel ban comes in the context of Trump's statements about muslims, such as calling for a total shutdown of muslims entering the US, or the shutdown U.S. mosques and registration of the U.S. muslim population. This creates a strong argument that the travel ban is rooted in anti-muslim animus, and therefore violates the Establishment Clause.

>>129626483
This is a victory for Trump.
If anything bad happens. He can claim that he tried to stop it.

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>>129643658
>misrepresenting the argument
>being this much of a faggot

>>129646936
As for the 7 hills, do you know this? “The project Towers Of The House is the first project in Mecca … which carry seven towers … “Towers Of The House” is on the area of Mount Babel in Ajyad. The site overlooks directly on the Haram al-Sharif (Holy House [Ka’ba]).”

“is also the largest tower in the world in terms of area. Contractor Bin Laden Group, Saudi Arabia … Classified as the largest building urban in terms of the total area on the face of the globe, where excess space land for the project 1.4 million square meters and consists of 7 towers”.

>>129647747
this is all nonsense

>>129648389
Literally built on what arabs know as mount babel. Or the babel mount for the obtuse. 7 towers that oversee the black stone meteorite that sits at the corner of the cube. with a crescent spire.

Just go watch tolkien lord of the rings movies you know exactly what he was talking about, he wasn't a fool. With this in mind knowing that tolkien was talking about islam when he talked about sauron.. a lot of things will start to make sense to you. Oh but it gets even worse about that crescent spire build on those 7 towers that by arabs is known as mount babel.. it ILLUMINATES at night with thousands of points of light! So now you know what the freemasons were talking about.. Google mecca clocktower at night. Like an owl seeing at night what others do not see.. Their allegiance.. And here is something disturbing.. What is the symbol of freemasonry, the square and compass right?

Square is the cube the kaaba, compass is the spire, g is the star meteorite at the corner of it. sitting in mecca, why do they call themselves fellow travellers i wonder..

>>129648925
Which part :) don't worry i'll shut up soon.

>>129647902

Now prove that "strong argument" legally, using ONLY the law/travel ban as evidence.

You know, how an actual court would interpret it.
Muds can come from any other of the 190 or so countries.

Muds can enter from 190 different countries, ie not a muslim ban, since they are still able to legally travel from 190 other countries.

If anything it's a "states we don't like" ban.

Freemasons = saturnalian infiltrators into the west! kaaba saturn and star. Gee i just don't know why all them muslims are coming in what could possibly be happening.. I give you another thing.. order out of chaos. the mahdi of islam which is a singular emperor to unify all factions of islam and rule over a caliphate/empire greater than all of the ones before in power.. he arrives by order out of chaos. In the islamic texts a massive muslim civil war ensues and he is ushered in.. Who has been playing you all along motherfuckers? These are not christians.. hahaha. I think i've said enough. But it's time for you to understand what kind of a predicament you are in and what the alliances are..

>>129649811
They call themselves fellow travellers, go read this sunni islamic jurisprudence book called reliance of the traveller, and you might understand a great many things, it's gold stamp approval from al azhar university cairo egypt of sunni islamic jurisprudence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_of_the_Traveller

They are infiltrators, masonic lodges are muslim infiltration units subverting your societies. Or saturnalian to be precise. Hence the secrecy if that had been revealed in the past they would all be dead now. But now, nah, i don't wish any bad thing to come upon them. Just want you to see things for what they are.

How did they get in, consider the statue of liberty who donated that, french freemasons, who did the ummayad caliphate tried to invade after spain? france were defeated at the battle of tours and portiers, they realized they could not invade and conquer it by force, so they instead invaded in another way.

>>129649203
This is such a terrible way of arguing for the travel ban. As I pointed out in that post, motive matters, and motive will obviously be found in the context around the order rather than the text itself. A legal rule promulgated with unconstitutional motives can be invalid even if the same rule promulgated for legitimate reasons would be valid. If a legal rule is enacted for a combination of legitimate and illegitimate motives, the validity of the rule depends on whether the illegitimate motive was a but-for cause of the rule’s enactment—that is, on whether the rule would have been enacted had the illegitimate motive not been present.

The other argument that "not all muslim countries are banned, therefore there is no anti-muslim animus" is also a terrible argument that misunderstands the arguments against the ban on a fundamental level. The argument is that the travel ban is rooted in anti-muslim animus, and therefore violates the Establishment Clause. Animus is not territorially bounded. The animus in question is displayed in Trump's statements, and the context of those statements establish them as motive for the travel ban. The number of countries covered by the travel ban in this case is irrelevant.

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>>129632906
>unanimous
my guess is that it will be upheld. 6 to 3

>>129647902
>is rooted in animus against muslims

Oh look fancy wording for "LE TRUMPLE IS A BIGOT"

I'm sure this psychoanalytical basis for legal refutation will hold up against the explicit permission granted to do to the President so in the constitution.

>>129650476

You believe that is the motive. You have no hard evidence, only opinions based on your view of trumps statements.

How can it be a muslim ban? It literally does not ban muslims. 190 countries can send all the muzzies they want. Millions of them, 100% okay no problem. Christians, jew, non-believers, no-one can come from the selected countries.

There is no muslim ban. We can debate the merits of banning travel from say, a nation currently in the middle of a bloody civil war. That's an entirely different issue.


While Trump claimed a Muslim ban may have benefits, he softened that, as politicians often do, to specifically prohibit war torn hell holes.

Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

Really? Extremest states with some of the worst violence on the planet? Nah, it's about muzzies. Not that they can't come from 190 other places. I don't give a damn about muslims, I don't want a single person from fucking somolia coming to my country.

Again, how can it be a muslim ban, when muslims can enter the country?

>>129650476
>tries to argue for the legitimacy of the muslim travel ban.. eventhough obama instituted similar travel ban during his "tenure"

wew.. and he is a blatant muslim brotherhood operative, even the sympathizers know that they might get kiled by what they unleash, the jihaad has no respect of persons, you are all infidels even them. They aren't controlling these people they're just letting it loose.. to justify mass migration. They didn't create al qaeda or isis or al nusra or anshar al sharia, they just let the beast loose. and gave it weapons. Their goal is caliphate reemerging in the middle east. well not even that, they are playing a dangerous game trying to revoke the endgame ruler that will prevoke the return of those from the sky, they are trying to provoke the mahdi to come. Which is what will invoke those from the sky to come. They're a suicide cult.. because if those from the sky come they will annihilate every single one of them. But they hope that the mahdi somehow can bring forward a golden age and prevent it. You give idiots too much power and too much time on their hands and that's the kind of shit they do.

>>129626483
USA BTFO!!!!

>>129626483
You people do realize that a lot of these court districts have a 75% turn over ratio right?

>>129647902
That's basically the opposite of justice being blind. Good luck with your liberal education and newspeak.

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>129647902
>129650476
this is why jews should be banned from practicing law in this country

>The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.

>The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success.

>"Just wait," he smiled.

>>129651336
They're literally trying to summon the end of this age in order to save mankind from itself.. by causing the biblical gods to return.. brain infected with hubris too much money too much power too much stupid all at the same time.. If they had common sense they would delay that as much as possible because it would be the ruin of them all.. unless they make some significant modifications and redemptive acts vid related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_QHJrI7DjU&spfreload=10

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>the absolute state of drumpftards

>>129651922
>not calling it tanTRUMP
fuck you with a rake

>8 posts by this ID

>>129644120
>animus

>>129647902
>animus
> anti-muslim animus

>>129650476
>anti-muslim animus
> anti-muslim animus
>Animus
>The animus in question

Shilling wordthink this hard.

Just call him a nazi bigot like you really want to. Talk about his mental issues in court.

I guess Obama had an "animus" too because the recommendations came from the prior administration.

>the Supreme Court held in its 1982 case United States v. Valenzuela-Bernal, “The power to regulate immigration—an attribute of sovereignty essential to the preservation of any nation—has been entrusted by the Constitution to the political branches of the Federal Government.” The Court then quoted a 1976 case, which acknowledged, “The Court without exception has sustained Congress’ plenary power to make rules for the admission of aliens.”

>It’s possible that Trump could unilaterally impose such a ban as president, though legally that’s more of an uphill climb. Federal law—specifically 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f)—provides:

>Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.


>any class

>any restrictions

Islam is killing people in the UK and France nearly daily at this point and this is a great way for leftshit retards to demonstrate they don't give a fuck about Americans or the Constitution yet again.

The authority to govern ultimately comes from a place not about leftshit retard globalism at all but about the compact of a government to protect its people. A government who fails to respect both the safety and the agreement of its citizenry TO govern is not a government at all.

>>129651922
It doesn't say "god will be super nice to you and cover you in fluffy little teddybears" it says fear of god/fear of doing wrong towards people is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge of the holy is the understanding. There won't be a fucking dialogue you idiots.. Do you have a dialogue with cattle when you are slaughtering it or with a nefarious pest that stands in opposite to the feast of your charity?

Ofcourse they are "aliens" ofcourse they made this earth and this solar system (genesis) ofcourse they are real you dumb fucks.. nothing just functions like this out of some random dumb circumstance.

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>>129652209
You see this. Now imagine how the guy who posted this looks. Now look at pic related. That's who your talking to.

>>129651922
America 100% BTFO!!!
How will they ever recover?

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>>129652605

>>129651121
The animus principle forbids the government from acting on the basis of an illegitimate purpose, such as bias or prejudice toward any particular religion.

>>129651219
How can it be a muslim ban? Because it follows months of campaign rhetoric about banning muslims. We have Giuliani talking about how he was asked to find a "legal way" to make the muslim ban happen. Trump’s statements about banning Muslims tell us something about why these executive orders were issued. To try to separate the travel ban from Trump's multiple statements on muslims is silly. And as I've said already, the scope of the travel ban is irrelevant to the animus argument being brought via the Establishment Clause. What matters is the President makes dozens of statements condemning and disparaging Islam as a whole, promising to ban all Muslims from the United States and enacting an Order explicitly based in that animus-laden campaign promise.

>>129651922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy6spOAbxhg
It happens on all sides, mein freund. Remember: tards are everywhere, and will weaponise their autism at every opportunity.

>>129652815
t. reddit

>>129652605
It's unironically true more about the leftists communists that piss all over this board rather than those that post here, if you knew who lurk and post here you might be surprised. It's not a mystery why in the valley of jehosephat god puts every people of every nation in two groups as they are judged.. the ones on the left go into destruction, the ones on the right go into the kingdom. If you think for a moment about what the left excuses.. especially in these days so close to the end of this age.. it's not a mystery anymore, at the time in the past when everyone was far more noble and cautious and kind.. they might have marvelled at this division.. now it's just a matter of taking a look around. All the left seems to to do is destroy what functions and claiming its progress..

>>129651336
Obama never instituted a similar travel ban. He instituted a pause in issuing visas from certain countries for a period, but at no point did immigration from those countries stop.

Furthermore, as I've explained already, the Establishment Clause argument relies in the motives behind the legislation. Obama never issued such an order in the context of multiple anti-muslim statements. In fact, Trump's EO2 would likely be constitutional if not for his own big mouth.

>>129642251
I mean the first half of the sign is correct at least.

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>>129653083
IRL /pol/ meeting

>>129626483
It's actually fucking perfect. It totally innoculates Trump. As soon as some jihadi kills a bunch of people guess who's not going to blamed?

>>129653169
And did trump make a permanent ban on those countries oh you faulty judge? you mire yourself in legalese that is meant for only a specific type of people in the US in the first place. You make excuses instead of arbitrate correctly. ISIS have said years ago they want to come into your nations and blow you up, and you want to let them do it and they're laughing at you and using your own system against you, but do you not see how it is fitting that you should be one of their future victims? You stupid stupid person.. If you cared anything for protecting people against it you would stop speaking your silly "arguments". What do you know of islam and islamic texts, nothing.. what do you know of the qur'an and hadiths and sira, nothing.. you "legislate" from ignorance, and your words are meaningless. And even less than meaningless because the ones that are killed everytime you peddle your idiotic notions rest on your shoulders.. Atleast islamic terrorists are honest about what they do, but someone like you thinking you somehow stand for good by allowing them to do so is in a way far far worse.

>>129653806
It's been 90 days since drumpf elections, we havn't had a single attack in America aside from the rise of wh*te terrorism

Remember the judge names in this appeal. They will be the ones to blame next terrorist attack , or the next rape-wave.

>>129652209
This is another terrible argument for the travel ban. The powers given to the president over immigration are still subject to other laws. People like you act like those words "any class" mean that no other laws apply. An analogy: the president has the authority to authorize any air strike, but it would be unlawful for the president to authorize an air strike to eliminate a political opponent. The power given to the president over immigration does not allow the president to exercise that power with discriminatory intent.

>>129653934
You know damn well some towel head some where is going to kill people. It's like Geico; it what they do. And it will be all blamed on liberal faggot Obama judges. Fucking can't wait.

>>129653896
Nothing you have said changes the legal case against the travel ban.

The US has the most stringent vetting system in the world for immigrants. There is no evidence of a flaw in our security system that would be fixed with the travel ban. The travel ban is propped up on rhetoric and will not actually do anything to make Americans safer. It's only fitting that that same rhetoric is used to destroy it.

>>129653169
You're not saving anyone you're parroting legalese meant for a very different situation and trying to apply it to people who don't deserve it whatsoever. You're not saving anyone you're no different than an anarchist that clings to the constitution whenever they feel they are "offended" hahahaha. You're like a doctor that pretends to take a pledge to do no harm yet you don't even understand what it means.

>>129653934
Kill yourself. Honestly, do society a favor and kill yourself. You've done nothing. You won't do anything. You stray further from your loved ones. You have no personality besides your political ideology. You aren't an individual, just a cog.
End your life, better society.

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>>129626483
The funny thing is, he could've accomplished his goals by lowering overall refugee numbers and immigration in general by doing a mass reduction across all locales and not a targeted one.

>>129654381
The case against the travel ban, trump has authority to do so he has cited the statute for that in public interviews and q&a. Because you see people of the past was more wise than you. He has the ability to suspend any immigration that threatens the security and interests of the US. Because that can be very necessary. It's a thing that obama has had access too and many others but have not utilized but is there to safeguard such a situation.

Nobody gets to tell migrants that they have bias and conflict of interest about any future migration policy discussion and should stfu.. eventhough it's very true.

all we get to hear is fags like you talking about things you don't even deserve to be part of you are such trash.

>>129626483
>9th circuit
no surprise that he lost

>>129654381

>Argues that Trump has the right to violate the constitution

Nope.jpg

>Arguing that the ban is legal because it is for legitimate security purposes when it targets countries whose civilians rarely ever fuck with us, whilst leaving alone countries who have given us many, many terrorists, such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc.

NOOOOOOOPE.png

>>129654698

Yeah but he's a fucking faggot and won't do that because he doesn't want to upset the very same Saudi Princes who he was talking shit at on twitter during the election, talking about how he was going to be tough on them and how he couldn't be bought off.

Now he's their bitch and all it cost them was to blow some smoke up his ass and make him feel special with that glowing globe photo-shoot.

>>129654904
As I've explained already, presidential authority is bounded by other laws. For example here, presidential authority over immigration cannot be used with discriminatory intent.

Your posts also reveal an interesting cognitive dissonance. You think muslims are subhuman, undeserving of the law, etc. You clearly have bias against muslims and want to see that reflected in the law. Okay. And yet you're upset when laws designed to prevent such bias in the law are used to prevent such bias in the law. You think the judges ruling that the travel ban may have discriminatory intent are wrong, yet you want the travel ban to support your own desire for discrimination. You're like the /pol/ poster who doesn't believe the holocaust happened, but also wants it to happen again.

>>129654381
>There is no evidence of a flaw in our security system that would be fixed with the travel ban.
Even with the best water filter, the result will always be better if you don't pour shit into it.

>>129652128
did you really expect creativity from these people?

>>129655409

Too bad we don't have a "Metaphorical water filter" clause in the constitution.

>>129654698
Hell, the travel ban as written would be 100% constitutional if Trump had not spent months talking about how terrible muslims are.

>>129626483

Hillary was a fucking garbage candidate and lost in a utterly humiliating fashion, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Why is this news? 9th court already blocked him on the travel ban months ago. It's already scheduled to be seen by SCOTUS under expedited review.

>>129644451
>the children of muslims are dumb and easily radicalized into being terrorists
>so we should accept more muslims
I don't think so.

>>129655492
No filter is 100%, even our terrorist filter. But by avoiding countries with active terrorist bases, we can lower the risk of admitting terrorists.

>>129655639

The left is probably giddy that you refuse to come up with an argument beyond reminding them that they lost the election. While they're doing shit in the courts and in congress you're sitting there like a retarded child saying "WE WON WE WON SHUT UP"

>>129655639
inb4 muh popular vote

>>129655834
>While they're doing shit in the courts and in congress
The only thing the left is "doing" is having a sticky virtue signaling circle jerk.

>>129655834
Trump is packing the federal courts with right wing judges thanks to the Reid rule. Enjoy your meaningless "victories" with temporary obstruction.

>>129655579

He could still have had issues showing the states interest in the ban. It's kind of hard to argue that it's necessary to our national security to bar Somalis and Libyans, but not Saudi Arabians and Pakistanis.

>>129655823

Right but the issue there is that even if Trump never mentioned Muslims once during the campaign and avoided the appearance of a religiously motivated order, he would still have to explain why he's targeting countries which, based on the origins of attacks and that of those carrying them out, pose LESS of a danger to us than other countries with regard to terrorism.

Saying that you have to prevent Libyans, but not Saudis from entering the country is bullshit and the courts would have taken issue with that alone.

>>129654904
You have zero understanding of how US law works.

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>>129655166
I know the game you immigrants are playing you do the same in europe, you walk right in and eventhough the rules are made with europeans in mind, you do shit and then say "look we europeans now" no you're not, you're never european you're never going to be it either.. till you act like it. Go fix your own fucking shit.. i'm not going to just give what my forefathers worked hard for over to you, i would much rather stomp your head in and tell you to go away.. you enter as a coward away from your own, then you sit as a traitor in our midsts and try to get more of your own to get in.. if you are a muslim, know that you are targetted for full extermination and you will end for your lies and deception. you multiculti faggots should really study lebanon and what happened there vid related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gc-z52ysRk&spfreload=10
I don't want you gone because i hate you, i want you gone because you lack the ability to do what is right just and true. You are literal monkeys that if left unchecked will cause mass murder of so many like you did before. Either out of your blatant stupidity like with communism or you mass migrating into well functioning areas and peddling your own bullshit. You're a blight don't you see that.. do you have any self reflection.. ofcourse not. victimhood and blablabla you are a disgrace for those who actually are victims of something. Hate is a very very sensible emotion. Nobody told you that.. it's very applicable to those who go out of their way to destroy things instead of coming to their senses. But my hate diminishes the further away you get from fucking something up for somebody, unfortunately you just can't help it..

>>129629808
there's nothing wrong with zionism though?

dumb muslim

>>129630013
they hate this country

>>129656149
>he would still have to explain why he's targeting countries which, based on the origins of attacks and that of those carrying them out, pose LESS of a danger to us than other countries with regard to terrorism.
No he doesn't. This is ridiculous; he does not have to convince the judges to like his policy. He's targeted countries with active ISIS groups. It's not complicated.

Wh*te terrorism ?

That hasent started yet

Keep pushing, and you'll see it

>>129656041

>Right wing

Does this mean that they will care less about constitutional law? You're still falling for the narrative that this is all just leftist obstruction. It's not democrats that these bans have run up against, it's the constitution. Changing a judge isn't going to change the law.

Trump is the president, but he's definitely wrong here.

>>129635345

I think Trump is doing the rope-a-dope right now.

Every time the leftists get a little 'victory' they start celebrating like they won the election. When this finally goes to the supreme court, it will be upheld, and Trump will have carte blanche to broaden the ban in any way he pleases.

>>129656702
Fuck of with your bullshit. Liberals don't give a shit about the constitution and would ban "hate speech" given the opportunity. Conservatives aren't perfect, but at least they try.

>>129656287

What about the other countries with ISIS groups in them? What about the countries with the governments who fund them?

>Trump doesn't have to explain to courts

See that just isn't the case.

>>129626483
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

>>129656811
You not liking the policy != unconstitutional

>>129631985
yep

activist judges installed years ago by Democrats

law is one of the biggest swamps of all

>>129639392
yea thats why I support unlimited mudshit immigration, bad shit would happen regardless.

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>>129643163
>If you are a Christian, you would realize we all have Jewish blood
>comparing a religion to genetic lineage
shlomo i...

>>129656806

They would have just as difficult a time doing that, because that too would be a violation of the constitution. See, we have thing thing we call the constitution because they decided a long time ago that certain rules should be very, very difficult to change because they're so important.

Anyway it's not bullshit, it's just the law. If the president wants to do something which is currently against the law, he would need to change the law such that that thing is no longer illegal.

>>129656705

>I think Trump is doing the rope-a-dope right now.

Seriously? You don't think that maybe it is because he made a mistake and tried to do something that he didn't realize wasn't allowed, and that now he's refusing to admit that it was a mistake, like "Covfefe"?

>>129656913
You liking the policy doesn't make it constitutional. It violates the Establishment Clause.

>>129656913

That's correct, the fact that the policy is in conflict with the constitution is what makes it unconstitutional, not my opinion or feelings on it. I would prefer a complete ban on all of the countries in the region, but that doesn't necessarily mean that would be legal either.

Too much winning making people coo-coo

FPBP

>>129657176

There's some kind of mental block or cognitive dissonance going on here, which makes it so they can't understand that very simple issue. To them it's just a bunch of liberal (Even though some so far have been conservative) judges who want to sabotage Trump.

They'd rather dissolve the courts than admit that the order wasn't constitutional lol.

>>129657271
Except for the fact that it is legal, fuckwit.

>>129630013
Muh brown babies

>>129642337

>something that can easily be accomplished with executive power shouldn't be done because other stuff that can't be controlled for is worse

I hate that these assholes are paid to draw this garbage.

>>129657116
Liberal judges have no standards and make up bullshit all the time. Such as women having the constitutional right to abortion which is retarded. Also they would eviscerate the 2nd amendment because they can't read it properly.


>>129657176
>>129657271
No it doesn't. That is absurd. Non citizens in foreign countries have no constitutional rights.

>>129644003
yes, that's how it goes

>>129656149
>he would still have to explain why he's targeting countries which, based on the origins of attacks and that of those carrying them out, pose LESS of a danger to us than other countries with regard to terrorism.

There are a million and one ways to bullshit through that and you're a fucking retard faggot cuck for assuming otherwise. Please KYS. You're clearly talking directly out of your ass.

>>129630013
it would be a blowback to globalism, wouldn't it?

He'll win in SCOTUS easy

>>129657390

*Yawn*

>>129657454

>Also they would eviscerate the 2nd amendment because they can't read it properly.

I'm sure some would like to, but clearly they aren't having a very easy time of it, since the constitution prevents them from banning guns.

>No it doesn't. That is absurd. Non citizens in foreign countries have no constitutional rights.

Yes it does violate the constitution, but not because of the rights of foreigners. You are falling for a false argument. The ruling is not unconstitutional because it violates the rights of foreigners, it is unconstitutional because the president is not allowed to make a ruling which discriminates in such a way without being able to show a specific, compelling interest to do so on the part of the federal government.

This notion that the ruling somehow gives rights to foreigners is false.

>>129657454
I already covered this here: >>129647204

The nature of the Establishment Clause allows a US citizen to object to actions taken by the government abroad, and the motive of animus in the travel ban makes it an Establishment Clause violation.

>>129630816
This. Especially with the news of those mudslimes being able to sneak laptop battery bombs past airport security. They all celebrate then will blame trump when theres another 9/11

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>>129630816
having borders is regressive, mkay

>>129657526

Dude how can you not see this?

Banning Somalis and not banning Saudis and Pakis would be like refusing to have a Chihuahua in your house on the grounds that it is too dangerous, and then proceeding to buy a pitbull.

It does not follow. That is why Trump and his team are having an uphill fight with this one. The absence of countries with much more to do with terrorism raised questions, which in turn raised constitutional issues.

>>129657844
You are talking completely out of your ass. Even if Trump hated Muslims, this order still doesn't violate the clause. Intent does not make reality.

>>129657820
>it is unconstitutional because the president is not allowed to make a ruling which discriminates in such a way without being able to show a specific, compelling interest to do so on the part of the federal government.
Completely incorrect. He can discriminate in almost any way and he does not have to justify it.

>This notion that the ruling somehow gives rights to foreigners is false.
It defacto is. It gives rights to foreigners to immigrate under refugee status which is stupid.

>>129644123
Judiciary is overpowered though, because them declaring something unconstitutional can't be countered. At least president veto can be sent back to congress but there is no balance to the judges. And once the judges start declaring shit unconstitutional because its racist and hurts their feels then you know the jews won because their narrative has trumped the letter of the law. Just read the 9th circuit "reasoning" for why they shut down the ban. Its the most puerile, unprofessional garbage I have ever seen. Many judges these days are just shitlibs with a judge uniform and their rulings are entirely virtue signalling

>>129639392
>something bad should always happen
>therefore we shouldnt even try

Excuse me while I bend over and wait to tale it in the ass, because its gonna happen anyway right? So why should I even try to do anything about it. Try telling rape victims this and see how it goes over

>>129626483
Oh drumphy sweetie, you didn't think you could ban muslims did you? America will be ruled by sharia law, honey.

Trump got cucked by Kushner and soon the Jew Child Barron will be UN overlord of the NWO.

>>129658177
The travel ban violates a distinct and uncontroversial Establishment Clause rule, the “animus doctrine.” The principle forbids the government from acting on the basis of an illegitimate purpose, such as bias or prejudice.

The nature of the Establishment Clause also does not require that a plaintiff in the US hook his, her, or its claim to the rights of anybody outside the country. It simply requires a showing that the plaintiff is injured by the government's violation of the Establishment Clause.

>He can discriminate in almost any way and he does not have to justify it.
Wew lad. You realize the power given to the president over immigration is also bound by other laws, right? For example the president cannot exercise his powers of immigration (or power over anything really) with discriminatory intent.

>>129657820
It is so disgusting to watch a literal ape USE what very intellectual and forward beings of our civilzation have created for some people with their attitude in mind, in order to justify their own position.. Are you even of their lineages. should you even speak of it, what is the situation in the nation in which you stem from, don't try to curb others by trying to manipulate their own laws before them when they were NEVER WRITTEN FOR YOU OR WITH YOU IN MIND. Go instead back to your own nation, live amongst your people of what it is you reasonably have a right to argue about. and learn some humility and then go back again.

Do you think if i live in asia i'm an asian OFCOURSE i'm not an asian it's not my fucking business what their laws are for their people. Do you think if i live in africa i'm a fucking african ofcourse not it's not my fucking business what is for their people.

A particular situation such as migration is where any fucking migrant who is even remotely a migrant should be declared conflict of interest by their own concience and cease by their own volition to interact with it, no.. what you do.. the exact opposite.. Clearly no conflict of interest clearly no bias, clearly nothing like that.. because nobody dares to put you out as the whore you are. Except i do and you know it's very true. You're a harlot a traitor.. and you have so much bias that you should never even dare speak about this situation and let the actual people of that nation handle their immigration policies..

I'm so tired of watching these people these migrants that think or suppose that they have any right to have any fucking oppinion about what to let more in of their kind or of others.. shut your fucking mind and get busy with your life or fuck off to somewhere else.. you have no shame or decency. You come in and then you think you own the fucking place just because you are there..

But it doesn't matter if he loses the ruling. He already planted this in the minds of Americans, now if there's a major terrorist attack Americans will blame the judges for not implementing this and Trump will get a muslim ban, and this time it'll be permanent.

>>129626483

we already know the first and second one are being decided in the Supreme Court.

>>129630816
what is demographic gerrymandering.

>>129657116
>tried to do something that he didn't realize wasn't allowed
It is allowed though. And has been done in the past.

AMERICA, YES!

>>129626483
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

>>129658717
Agreed. The absolute shamelessness nature of the shitskin is something very hard for a white person to accept.

>>129640260
>no but the 9th circuit is final

Do libtards know these are partisan as fuck, or are they just willfully ignorant to something as long as they believe it benefits their agenda?

>>129658623
Again, this is ridiculous. The animus doctrine does not apply to foreign citizens of foreign territories who are not under our jurisdiction. The US government, by its very existence, shows bias against foreign nationals in favor of its own citizens. You're applying the animus doctrine in such a way to render it completely nonsensical.

>It simply requires a showing that the plaintiff is injured by the government's violation of the Establishment Clause.
You are not injured because strangers you don't know can't come to the country. You might as well sue the US government for injury every time someone is denied citizenship.


>Wew lad. You realize the power given to the president over immigration is also bound by other laws, right? For example the president cannot exercise his powers of immigration (or power over anything really) with discriminatory intent.

The president has broad authority and power to suspend almost any body from entry for any reason. This is an actual law.

>Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate

>>129643234
Its not working. Try a tad harder without being such an obvious shill. Trump 2020, faggot. You're persuading nobody, lol. We see through you and your faggot left wing loser base.

>>129644566
haha well open the prison gates, they're not terrorists either great idea and logic there fellow lib

>>129630816
I overheard my parents saying a travel ban shouldn't happen even it prevents terrorism. The same people who want trump impeached AND didn't vote think a terrorist attack is fine just don't be racist bc that's worse than everything. This planet is screwed.

>>129659259
So I've said this a few times but you don't seem to be getting it so I'll go over it again.

The Establishment Clause is structural. This permits a person currently lawfully in the United States--such as a Muslim US citizen or Muslim lawful permanent resident--to object to what the government is doing even though what it is doing occurs overseas.

Animus is not bound by territory. Animus against muslims as demonstrated by Trump's multiple statements extends to all muslims in the US. Muslim US citizens can make an Establishment Clause case against the travel ban.

Another thing I've mentioned a lot in this thread is that in animus related cases, motive behind a legislation is important. Animus holds ground in the case of the travel ban due to the context of Trump's statements leading up to the travel ban. You're line of thinking of "You might as well sue the US government for injury every time someone is denied citizenship" misses this point. The animus argument wouldn't apply in this case because it would lack the context of animus in motive behind it.

You idiots keep quoting that code giving the president power over immigration. As I've said before, this law, like all others giving the president power, are bounded by other laws.

The president has the authority to call an air strike whenever he wants, but it would be illegal for the president to call an air strike to eliminate a political opponent or to target muslim communities in America.

Similarly, the code in question does not allow the president to enact immigration policies with discriminatory intent. This is basic stuff.

>>129630013
Because they don't want to have shit europe is having

>>129658177
>Completely incorrect. He can discriminate in almost any way and he does not have to justify it.

Interesting opinion, but that is not what the law says.

>It defacto is. It gives rights to foreigners to immigrate under refugee status which is stupid.

No it does not, it only reaffirms the constitutional checks on government and the president. If you can point out what additional rights it gives to foreigners, I'd like to hear it.

>>129658717

Not a nigger, not a leftie. I'm just trying to help /pol/ understand WHY the travel ban is held up, and why it probably will not go into effect ever.

>>129659259

"Any reason" means "Any reason which is constitutionally legal". That should be extremely obvious to you.

Nowhere in the constitution does it say "The president may completely disregard parts or all of this document for the sake of national security".

>>129652605
excellent liberal counterpoint my good fallacy

>>129658623
>For example the president cannot exercise his powers of immigration (or power over anything really) with discriminatory intent.

He absolutely can.

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>>129626483
awwww another lefty shit post. Cute.
You guys just keep doing you. It's doing sooooooooo well.
BTW, hows that Russian conspiracy thingy going?
STAY WOKE.
DRUMMMMPHHHPHPFFF

My god, do you guys realize how fucking stupid you are? Most likely not, because you are that fucking stupid.

>>129642612
Idk ask the obama administration officials who came up with the list

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>>129626483
At least he's trying. He's getting shut down by shit -lib judges that should neck themselves along with (you)

>>129660147
You're not trying to help anything there is every reason to withold a travel ban from muslim nations if anyone who have studied the qu'ran hadiths and sira (biography of muhammad) you would have all 57 majority muslim nations on a permanent non immigration policy post haste. What you try to do you stupid immigrant twat is to try to warp the legalese in your favour when i've already stated to you how trump successfully argued the provision for the POTUS to do such a thing, because it was created with a fortitude and from minds that your twattyness barely can compare with. It was made explicitly for such reason and made so eloquently clear that even the dullest mind couldn't realize why the provision was there. Ofcourse they knew that assholes like you would try to argue against it to bring in more muslims and all these things in this case.. Eventhough they by their own doctrine which you seem to know next to nothing about deliberately ignore. You should study a sunni lawbook such as reliance of the traveller and it should be mandatory curriculum for you for being in the nation you're in to study it and read it, and after you did you will come beg me for a fucking apology of how you could ever have been so fucking retarded to even remotely suggest that there would ever be a muslim ban for immigration to the US of just a few muslim nations who have conflict or radicals wanting to infiltrate and blow people up.. and you would come and apologize to me beggingly saying woah i never knew it said that how i could i be so wrong. You think i'm kidding.. i'm not kidding. You don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to sharia law or what muslims are taught if you did you would realize their deceptiveness, it's not a big massive secret it's right out in the open because the muslims need to know what they are instructed to do.

>>129642458
It'll be fine. Its just building up all these libs for a salty loss when they hit the supreme court with it

>>129631415
I love how trump makes him look like a manlet.

>>129643050
The fuck you on faggot? They have a 1% overturn rate

>>129640400
There's district courts, appellate courts(the 13 circuits), and then the Supreme Court. A case generally has to clime the ladder.

>>129626483
No surprise that the 9th would uphold the 2nd injunction. Now the case gets a fasttrack through the SCOTUS, who will rule it constitutional (because it is). Once the SCOTUS rules, it can't be challenged. Trump can ban whoever in the fuck he wants after that for any reason - PERMABAN ON MUSLIMS!

>>129660893
cute babie

>>129657116
>he didn't realize wasn't allowed
Jimmy Carter did the exact same thing in 1979

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>>129660512
first collusion with the russians and then the two scoops thing. you've gone too far drumpfykins, prepare to get sweetied.

>>129660911
(cont) this becomes in our favour like massive majority nations like indonesia reguired it translated from the arabic the sharia law in lawbooks such as the one i just mentioned, in it you read for instance.. which leftists often deny.. ridda.. when one of a sound mind denies the islamic faith, they are to be PUT TO DEATH, this is not ISIS doctrine.. this is the average sunni (majority of islam) belief, that if shariah law is instituted which they are instructed also to have, this is what they want as law. This is what is being argued should be allowed in segregated hijrah communites, excuse me muslim communities. Their ability to run shariah law courts same as they already do in some areas of the UK where they have sharia no go zones, so that any muslim within that area knows that if they leave the faith.. something bad happens to them. In the Uk they already have no go zones and women being harassed by sharia "police" telling them to dress more appropriately if they wear shorts or skirts. This is ofcourse unbeknownst to you common place in many muslim nations including shia iran.. if you think shia is some holy muslims just because the sunnis (majority of islam) don't like them.

And that is just tip of the iceberg, blasphemy laws is part and parcial of sharia where if you lead a muslim away from islam by presenting him with other facts and he leaves islam, execution, if you speak bad about islam or critizes islamic texts or insult the prophet muhammad you are to be PUT TO DEATH.. you have no idea the monster you are dealing with. But i do because unlike you i know what the texts say.. and understand the deception that is being played on you right now.

>>129626483
9th circuit kek, is this even news

See what happens when it goes to SCOTUS. I guarantee they will smack down the 9th

>>129646536
>its the least effective muslim ban
>trumps trying to ban all muslims from entering th US.

See this is why liberals lose. Your logic is circular and you base all your decisions off feelings.

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>>129642337
>heart disease
preventable by choices
>cancer
preventable by choices
>air pollution related
source?
>respiratory disease
aka smoking aka preventable by choices

truth is, barring some freak accident, we live in an era where a person can live to be 90 with good choices like diet and exercise. case in point: jack lalanne, made up his mind to live a long life, ate well and exercised every, lived to 99.

>>129661697
(cont) also Because now you pissed me off so now you have to pay with a few redpills that will haunt you at night, you have nothing to blame but yourself ALSO.. EVERY SINGLE institution in the US that is called Islamic COUNCIL of or Islamic SOCIETY OF is a muslim brotherhood front, it might behoove you to know that they fought actively for hitler in hanshar ss scimitar division some of the most brutal divisions of hitler consisting solely of muslims. Grand mufti of jerusalem at the time hajj amini al husseini was honororary guest of hitler for many parts of the war and he urged hitler to kill the jews. Which he DIDN'T btw. and hitlers original plan was to send them to palestine by the havaara agreement to get them the fuck out of europe. Why did hitler hate jews? they had staged in 1918-23 an ARMED COMMUNIST UPRISING to make germany communist.. but failed (unfortunately succeded in russia with the bolscheviks and the rest is history). He wanted them OUT of germany, not exterminated but OUT. But the muslims never stopped arguing to hitler how he could just aswell just murder the jews because they were not happy with them going to palestine. Hitler figured if they got their judaistic homeland by their doctrine they would leave europe alone.. DOH.. but a valid attempt.

>>129660147
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>>129661697
>>129660911
Let me give you an example from a sunni madrass in norway. To let you know what is going on about this matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU&spfreload=10
Sunni madrass in norway.. mainstream sunni muslims, watch their hands go up, welcome to how islam is..

>>129658109
Awful fucking analogy. Pit bulls arent dangerous by nature its how you raise them fucker. I have a friend who specifically raises them to show people this

>>129660009
How is anything he said related to the travel ban? It bars people based on nationality, not religion. There are some Muslim 35 countries out there unaffected.

And I still don't see how any plaintiff is injured from this.

>>129629808

So whenever things dont go /pol/s way were just gonna call him a kike sympathizer? I didnt hear any of that talk when he pulled out of the paris agreement.

>>129660911

I am not saying that I want Muslims to come to this country, I am only trying to explain the legal issue.

>>129662305

That is an important problem. I would prefer that Muslims be banned, but the constitution is the issue here.

>>129662335

They are the niggers of the dog world and should probably be killed as a preemptive measure.

>>129630739
Is this what you believe or merely what you want to believe?

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>Tired of winning am i rite!?????

>>129643340
You just want someone to blame for your troubles.

What's simpler, that a small group manages to secretly control the world or the world is just an unfair place?

>>129626483
>>129628609
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>>129629798
eat shit shareblue you aren't even a little convincing.

>>129664241
And you are? No, you just want something so badly that you've deluded yourself.

>>129663595
>That is an important problem. I would prefer that Muslims be banned, but the constitution is the issue here.
Well, now we're talking.
Here's a potential way around it and a very legitimate one at that, because you see, islam is not simply a religion of like "i live next to you and i believe in allah" no it's very opposite of that.. It's actually more of a political system that tries to deliberately replace the US constitution. Or run a parallel legal system system to the point where they have enough muslims to throw the US constitution into the garbage. What are the US legal provisions for making that case, because it might actually be much easier to make than you think.

>>129626483
WINNING BIGLY

>>129664231
>You just want someone to blame for your troubles.
So basically you are shown direct evidence of overwhelmingly unbalanced control by Jews, and your response is, "You just want to blame someone." A more accurate assessment would be that you have zero interest in facts if they don't confirm your own worldview.

>>129626483
4d chess, when an attack happe n's democrats are going to look like complete utter assholes.

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Winning on /pol/

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>>129663595
What surprises me the most about all of this is it's been 16 years since 2001.. how many americans have actually READ the qu'ran, they've failed not realizing there's more to it, how many of them have then read the sunnah (the hadiths) how many have read the sira of muhammad with historians like ibn ishaq. probably none of them, well they're in for a treat because unlike a "non issue" what they will find in the qu'ran sunnah and hadiths are pretty much issues.. and it'll be extremely difficult to live among muslims with a straight face after that. Especially knowing what they were planning via abrogation design (mirroring muhammad from mecca to medina) as their population increases more and more oppression and jihad and institution of sharia law.

i don't put this mildly for you cucks that haven't read it, this is a trip into pure darkness. You think i'm kidding, not about this one, you were warned.

For a little primer here's 288 narrations in bukhari hadiths (next in authority of the sunnah of the qu'ran) of what jihaad is. click through them. http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85-/3853-sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-052-hadith-number-041.html starts off very soft.. "oh that's not so bad" oh it gets MUCH MUCH WORSE HAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>129665236
I remember how the Cordoba initiate was stopped at ground zero, and I also remember the mosque of Cordoba

May be someone can find it in the way back machine on Wikipedia there was and entry that said the mosque of Cordoba had 9 to 11 columns

>>129626483
WINNING
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>>129644120
There is a bigger issue that someone can have animus without acting on it and there is no way to prove what caused someone to do a certain thing by reading their mind. The benefit of the doubt must be given and the legality of the acts judged on their face.

Otherwise we are subject to random mind reading voodoo by judges.

We cannot allow the courts to forbid the tools of rhetoric to politicians they don't like by forcing their every utterance to pass legal muster.

There needs to be the assumption that despite what has been promised (how much of that is ever true?) or said for rhetorical purposes, an honest attempt has been made to follow the law unless there is proof otherwise.

There needs to be a firm decision against psychic courts

>>129666603
Well here's what gets me about the whole thing it's been 16 years and its like i'm talking to a person who fell into a coma since then except for the terrorist attacks, if i went back to 2001 in some time machine, i would be getting the same responses.. so what's preventing people from reading it, nobody who talks about it seems to have fucking read it, i've talked to muslims who haven't fucking read it what's going on here..

It's weird!!! Almost as if if someone is about to read it then there's some thing they gotta do, they don't know it's a thing but they remembered there's a thing..

Well, here's a few disturbing chapters from this book of evil.. from surat al jinn, this might intrigue you if you're a christian and even if you aren't this probably will freak you out considering that this is the doctrine that tried to BTFO christianity for 1400 years.

Surat all jinn. IN THE QU'RAN not even hadiths muhammad is talking to demons, they pledge allegiance to allah and says that god surely has no son.. I don't think you need to be a big bible buff to realize what just happened there. Also heaven is apparently guarded by strong guards that won't let the demons enter. It's like night of the living dead tier..

Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran, Guiding to the right way, so we believe in it, and we will not set up any one with our Lord: And that He– exalted be the majesty of our Lord– has not taken a consort, nor a son: And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah: And that we thought that men and jinn did not utter a lie against Allah: And that persons from among men used to seek refuge with persons from among jinn, so they increased them in wrongdoing: And that they thought as you think, that Allah would not raise anyone:

And that we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and flaming stars. (72:-1-8)

https://quran.com/72

>>129665236
Reading this shit was my original redpill. It's hard to believe how evil Islam is, and how the more context you add the more purely evil it becomes. You keep thinking this must be obsolete stuff, or a misunderstanding, but all you keep getting is confirmation that nope, that's just what they are.

>>129629648
Fuck off traitor.

>>129665236
Americans don't even read the bible m8, don't expect them to read another book. You just have to think of Jesus from time to time to be an American christian.

>>129658623
The standard of proof for animus needs to be higher than politician dislikes X therefore anything he does that incidentally rubs X the wrong way was rooted in animus.

>>129668121
The truly terrifying thing is how few know about it, it's like when you try to tell them go read it, there's always some excuse like they're blocked from reading it at first i just thought they were like you know.. dumb but maybe there's more too it maybe people not under gods protection or wtf ever can't gain acess to it.. It's weird how few people know about what it says. It's not like it's hard to understand, it's just evil and scary as fuck. I'm probably just imagining that but it's a bit uncanny nevertheless.. you would think with all this talk about islam and islamic terrorist attacks that people would actually have read it.. ask them, they haven't.

>>129668286
Yeah but even the people who talk about how it's not about islam all the fucking time, ask them, they don't know a damn thing about what it says almost. Just an massive stupidity around this area i guess.

Liberal courts in the pacific Northwest virtue signal and emote over Trump.

Really activates the almonds.

SCOTUS niggaz. Nothing else matters.

All good. It will come back on these fag lovers...BIGLY

It's easier to be ignorant. You had gays defending a Sharia the other day..It's whatvthe left does best ...death

>>129669025
They have no idea what they're getting themselves into with regards to this thing.. they think it's something like buddhism probably. It's like reading something out of hp lovecraft in some instances.

>>129658178
Couldn't legislative pass an amendment to limit their power?

Can someone explain on what basis they're doing this? Surely that disparate impact horseshit is not part of your constitution.

>>129626483
Goddamnit this is getting annoying

Just let this travel ban shit go, it doesn't do jack to keep the country safe

>>129669025
I mean when you read it it's obvious that they never expected to lose, they expected to just crush all resistance and institute sharia over all nations on the planet which where you even critique it.. off with your fucking head. Now they ofcourse has an explanation problem..

What you also notice is that muslims exclusively argue completely non textually, they never quote their texts, they say things like islam is about peace and it's the most wonderful religion.. find me in the texts where it says that, it's not there.

Wheras other beliefs or faiths tend to say "look at this amazing verse doesn't it speak for itself how i believe this is a nice thing" muslims don't do that and when they do and you look at what they referenced, it's not at all that.

>>129626483

No point in even talking about this - it's at the SCOTUS and will be decided there.

>>129660147
As long as a constitutionally valid reason is given it is sufficient. Other reasons that may also exists have no bearing. Even if Trump hates Islam and that is proven, if he also has a legal reason that should be sufficient, since there is no way to know what was going on in Trump's mind without ESP. And the burden of proof is on the one claiming to have ESP.

Moreover, couldn't a 'war on radical islamic terrorism' be declared and martial law type powers to defend civil society including the establishment clause within our borders this be asserted? Isn't this why the executive was granted the power to do this by congress?

Why are mind-reading liberal judges interfering with this?

>>129630013
Because laws are based on reals not feels. You cannot bar people from entry into the US based on religion.

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>>129630739
>tfw im probably related to Putin
>tfw our moms even look similar and babushka has the same last name

No wonder i'm under 6'.

>>129643868
Even if you include added all the deaths from 9/11 to today, terror attacks in the US have killed less than any year of heart related deaths or automobile deaths....

>>129668121
Yeah also notice how much about islam is extra textual repetitions, there's entire songs that just say allah over and over again.. like the 99 names of allah nasheed.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XQolX8WDzQ&spfreload=10

One to note is al mumit the destroyer.. that's what satan is called in the bible. apparently not mentioned in this "99 names" nasheed. They try to have aesthetics about it but it's really just indoctrination when it comes down to it.. just over and over again worship allah worship allah.

They're like drones it's scary actually. Also with the sufi zikr is even more scary, they do a trance like dance around a candelabre symbolizing allah "the light" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih395-JcvQo&spfreload=10 just bowing down in submission in trance chanting. with the imam or whoever in the center.. pretty wild, warning this might be disturbing to watch.

>>129669564

It'd have to get through congress, then 2/3rds of the states, so...unlikely. There are amendments from more than 100 years ago still waiting to be ratified at the state level...so yea.

>>129670947
And notice at the end of the zikr chant that becomes faster and faster they get violent and warlike.. "jihaad mode activated" if you know the texts this will scare you even more.

>>129630013
BECAUSE DRUMPF IS HITLER DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH

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Because liberalism is a mental disease. It prevents critical thinking and make you fucking retarded. That's why.