I don't see why everyone is so impressed with this guy.

>>129550382
because he's guiding many lost, adolescent males into adulthood and all in all seems like a genuine and decent person. also he's bringing to light the effects of postmodernism to the masses.

>>129550724
pride react

>>129550724
He's not right about everything though. Judging by what I see here and on the YouTube comments, people seem to hang on his every word.
I guess I just don't get it.

You might not believe it but there's tons of SJW, liberal, democrat, retard professors poisoning minds in college. Not only does he have a based view on reality and common sense but he's going against the PC generation who's too stupid to know that they're stupid.

>>129550885
fanboys are disgusting and inevitable

Weird. Beats me bro.

He's a shrink and has spent a considerable amount of time entrenched in academia so the redpills he's giving are far easier to accept another similar character is the evolutionary psychologist from evergreen university

>>129550382
Clean your room faggot

>anything is simple
listen here bucko

You right he's not saying wanting new.

He's just articulating universal truths.

Tons of polacks were raised by single mothers.

>>129550724
This is pretty accurate. Why all of the hate suddenly? It seems like there's a concerted effort by Marxists to subvert the warm reception of Dr. Peterson on /pol/, to try to turn us against him.

>>129550382
you must not be smart enough to see the game thats being played here. Im not either, but im just starting to

>>129550724
This. My dad was always in prison for dealing crack and the dudes my mom was fucking at any given time were no help. They gave me a lot of video games though.

He feels like a father to me.

>>129550382
He's got a system of philosophy that justifies a risk-averse conservatism that addresses a lot of the common critiques, including to some extent dealing with Humes problem of drawing ought's from is's.

To my knowledge no one has done it as well as he has, it's normally just a stating of "the wisdom of the ancients/culture/whatever" whereas peterson expands this a lot in a way that is intellectually appealing.

Also if his ideas aren't controversial, why are you and your buddies shilling so hard against him?

>>129550724
This.
He's honest, he's calling out the bullshit and passing on wisdom.
The right admires good men, there are so few of them.

>>129550724
I was raised by a single mother which has caused me a great deal of hardship and confusion. I have been cynical and depressed for many years and had no idea what being a man meant.

I've been watching Jordan Peterson for about 5 months now, and he has given me the tools to become a man. I have him to thank for making me realize the importance of values and responsibility. His help has let me repair the damage done by my mother.

>>129551152
>b-but a fatass redneck or a meme Yorkshireman are redder pills

>>129550382
GTFO Shilling piece of shit. I hope a btard breaks into your place and makes himself a house in your attic

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>>129550382
>tfw you've read all of Dostoevsky and Gulag Archipelago prior to finding out about Pete so you're not amazed but rather pleased by him

No one has articulated what's going on in western culture as well as Dr. Peterson has. You might not agree with his philosophy, which IMO aims to teach people that the truth is not pretty, but it doesn't mean you can't self-actualize or be grateful of being brought up in this society despite it's imperfections. It's a concept that the youth is
not only severely lacking in education, but completely being turned against -- His message and delivery is compelling to a lot of people that need to hear someone to articulate the current madness we're going through.

>>129550382
To me he explained stuff I had thought about before (fleetingly) in a coherent manner beautifully connected together.

Of course he does not have any original ideas there. He's just articulating ideas thought by people hundreds may be thousands of years back. But autists like me despise the humanities. He gives people like me a nice perspective on the humanities.

>>129551152
>another similar character is the evolutionary psychologist from evergreen university

Bret Weinstein isn't similar at all. All they have in common is that they are both white male professors that SJWs have targeted for the smallest microagression against their ideology. That's where the similarity ends.

Bret Weinstein is an ultra leftist cuck. He just had the balls to point out that one race of people saying another race can't come to campus is oppression and he won't stand for it.
>black students and staff normally have a day of absence to prove how crucial they are to the university
>this year they decide its whites who can't come to campus
>Professor Weinstein writes an email saying it is totally different for a group to say another group can't come to campus instead of that group willingly making themselves be absent
>gets called a racist and SJWs go apeshit without even knowing the story

>>129551636
because he's gaining a lot of support and /pol/ is contrarian

>>129551152
Please don't compare Peterson with leftist shill Weinstein. Weinstein seems to be an attention whore aiming to imitate Peterson's success.
He'll get nowhere with that.

You just said it, he's good at articulating his philosophy.

>>129550382
I understand the hatedom even less, /lit/ hates him but that makes sense considering that half the board are open Marxists. /his/ at least is only a third card carrying Marxists who think the statists did nothing wrong.

>>129552301
he does have original ideas though. plenty of them.

literally every jpeterson post i see here makes me wonder if i stumbled onto r9k

>errr durr i can't clean my room he helped me

seriously? this is windowlicker tier

>>129551636
>>129552395
It's because he's an obfuscating disinfo agent. Check his statements on jews. What makes him really dangerous is his knowledge of psychology. He's basically coopting the pendulum swing to the right and bringing gullible young adults back into the judaic fold.

>>129552669
Please elaborate. He usually attributes the ideas he articulates to Nietzsche, Freud, Jung, Piaget, Buddha...

>>129551917
This.

I don't see what's wrong with him.

He isn't just some no name like Sargon (who I sorta like, but just saying), he actually is a professor of clinical psychiatry. He doesn't fuck around advocating extreme things.

The biggest criticism I have of him (and gad saad and the rest of the anti-sjw professor brigade) is that he doesn't know enough about postmodernism, like he just took heinlein's razor to the entire movement. Which is justified, but not very persuasive.

I wish guys like that weren't so stubbornly anti-philosophy. I remember when Gad Saad had Dan Dennet on, (who is actually a philosopher and into philosophy so he has even less excuse), and he went on and on with his quite correct refutation of the anti free will guys without once mentioning quietism or pragmatism and just generally being inconcise.

I wish those guys would read some Susan Haack and spend more time thinking about epistemology.

>>129552582
Because academia is "their realm" and he's not toeing the line. Marxists don't take kindly to diversity of thought. Also his defense of Christianity triggers fedora atheists, which most of those boards are, im sure. The "SCIENCE!" meme is real in those circles

>>129552826
You don't expect a mainstream professor to be a holocaust denier do you?

>>129552919
It depends on what he's talking about. I haven't watched too many of his psychology or personality videos so I wouldn't be able to comment on those. But when it comes to mythology or postmodernism he has many. Just his take on Christianity. Or evil. Or How easy it is to become a left or right wing authoritarian

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>>129553168
No, but I expect him to at least SAY THE TRUTH, which is apparently very important to him. Funny how he doesn't follow his own philosophy. Really makes me think.

We have reached the phase in jordan peterson being popular enough for contrarians to have someone to shit on. give it 6 months the board will be filled with posts like OPs

>>129550382
It's an entire generation without fathers, what do you think.
It must have been hard for him to realize he'd been chosen as a surrogate father for a hundred thousand young people. The pressure.

>>129552826
All I've heard him say is he doesn't like anti-semitism. He recognizes the Jewish over representation in the upper echelons of society and said in one interview that he was still collecting is thoughts on their role in Soviet communism

>>129552826
>>129553368

You need to get a better understanding of what he is about. No one is an iconoclast for everything and he's stated multiple times that he isn't interested in politics and is about people sorting out their own lives so that a better society can spring from the work of good individuals.

You can 100% be a fan of peterson and be a 14/88 gas the jews nat soc guy if you want, he promotes the hell out of respecting your past, the community around you and decries rampant individualism. There isn't a contradiction here other than you taking responsibility for as much of your life as possible (which means you can't blame anyone else). Deciding how much is your responsibility and how much is the result of outside forces is up to you.

People can be good and do good without agreeing with and promoting every single fucking thing you are obsessed with.

>random losers think they are smarter than Jordan Peterson

It's cringe worthy to see fabricated hate against him, he does good and has shown nuance towards the JQ but stepped away from it for obvious reasons of outreach. You play the system by it's rules to subvert it, if you expect him to go full 1488 mode you're a retard and a useful pawn.

>>129553342
maximum contrarian

>>129550382
Most people have never gone beyond 101 level knowledge in psychology. So whenever they hear someone sane speak and make decent sounding arguments they are impressed

I like Peterson, it takes balls to throw yourself out there, at the same time, it somewhat shows that he doesnt have much to lose.

I do have ground breaking and controversial ideas, but im not gonna be talking publicly about them until im in my late 70's because neuroscience is full of touchy sjws infiltrating

>>129553591
more like maximum /lit/

>>129553342
>Saad, Harris, Dawkins, Shapiro
>pseudointellectual

>>129550724
For anybody not previously well acquainted with Jung, Peterson's ideas will be wildly new and interesting. The personality research he does has serious implications too. Anyone pushing the literature he pushes is doing the world a favor, especially right now.

>>129553293

His take on postmodernism I like a lot. It is not Sam Harris type 'muh science' memes. He concedes that post-modernism does make some good points wrt judging cultures of people living in distant lands that we know nothing about. But that it went much too far in that regard.
I would have thought a lot of people would have thought that though. (I did think of a version of it with zero formal training in philosophy, and I'm sure many others (outside academia) would have as well.)

>>129553719
yes?

>>129552976
I appreciate the fact that christianity has some core values which are good. But christianity by no means has a monopoly on those values, and there are plenty of things chrisitians believe in which are demonstrably false such as creationism, the flood etc.

However I do admit that atheism does seem to create a meaningless life for a lot of people. Those people might benefit from some sense of purpose and higher meaning. I think that is what a lot of people get out religion, a sense of meaning. If people need fairy tales for grownups in order to not blow their brains out then more power to them.

But personally I am an atheist and I think the fact that I'm a self aware cluster of molecules is amazing. The probability that I was even born is so amazingly small it makes me feel lucky to even be alive at all.

>>129553482
Yeah, he also said that people hate jews because of envy.

It's really funny how he read Solzhenitsyn, Nietzsche and Jung, and how he criticizes Marx and Derrida, yet "is still collecting his thoughts" on the jews.

>>129553501
>People can be good and do good without agreeing with and promoting every single fucking thing you are obsessed with.
No, you fucking idiot, that's not the problem. The problem is that he is actively promoting jews, while coopting national socialist ideals. It's the oldest fucking trick in the book.

He's friends with Saad for fuck's sake, who once said that it's preposterous to think that jews are behind ISIS.

Him and his ilk are grooming the goyim for the next phase of the jewish plan by pacifying them, first with ideology, and then with prosperity. Soon enough, all of the mass immigration will be accepted, because their fattening up the goyim and brainwashing them with kosher philosophy.

>>129551152
Gaad Saad is a much better comparison to Peterson.

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>>129553342
>slagging Yuri
That's like slagging Enoch, fucking hell /lit/ you absolute shithole

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>>129553342

>Yuri Bezmenov
>pseudo intellectual

>>129553636
it will be too late by then.

>>129554041
>>129554060
he was promoting the same shit that he preached against

he was a limited hangout

>>129553719
Harris, Dawkins, Shapiro, Saad (outside his area of Evolutionary psychology) are all pseudointellectuals.

>>129554013
Solzhenitsyn's book on the Jews, I can't remember the name, hasn't been translated yet

>>129554013
Nietzsche critiqued antisemitism

>>129554013
>while coopting national socialist ideals

When.

He's an anti-authoritarian.

>>129550777
CHECKED FOR SORTING

>>129554106

I sincerely hope you don't think this resulted in a dead end

>>129552479
>>129552343
It goes without saying that their comparisons only go as far as their mainstream appeal and people being more receptive to them because that's the fucking topic in the OP. Work on reading comprehension please. Comparison was perfectly acceptable in this context.

>>129550382
>Why do people worship him?

He uses big words that are hard to understand for the everyday pleb, this is why he attracts the normies.

>>129553999
If you have the opportunity you should watch some talks of his about it. He's no creationist and he gives sound arguments for religions purpose and what it actually means.

This interview does a good job of summing up a lot of his beliefs
https://youtu.be/07Ys4tQPRis

>>129554119

>>129554173
200 years, I think. It was not translated fully.

>>129554187
Source me on that. From what I remember he was very good at pointing out the jew and his main poisons: humanism and christianity.

>>129554285
I wasn't referring to political ideals.

>>129554310
What do you mean?

>>129553999
> But christianity by no means has a monopoly on those values
Peterson concedes that.
> Those people might benefit from some sense of purpose and higher meaning. I think that is what a lot of people get out religion, a sense of meaning. If people need fairy tales for grownups in order to not blow their brains out then more power to them.
Not just meaning but a manual a to how to live life. The good and the bad practices. Each religion is basically ancient men encoding their practice to the next generation. Peterson is clear about that as well.

I am an atheist but I do see how important religion is to people. Especially to young people. So that they do not fuck up their lives and become degenerates before they have the maturity to understand degeneracy.

>>129554450
>I wasn't referring to political ideals.

What ideals do you mean then? It's a political system.

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>>129550382
>le peterson isn't any good meme

lowest energy path to yous, sad, many such cases

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The best he's ever had.

>>129554082
Sadly, we dont have /pol/ for science, and even if I wanted to push it, id need a decade before im even in a position to ask for funding for them.

But oh well, I might die tomorrow, so heres a sneak pic

Using selectively bred plants as psionic detectors/emitters

I know about selective breeding, but in rats, still need some plant bros to help, but the experiments are easy and cheap.

a lot of shilling against him lately.

i can´t see why people dislike him so much, most of what he says is shit that you see posted here regulary, so why attacking him?

>>129554013
Regardless of his personal conclusions, Peterson's ideas are extremely useful to the right. The Pagan right can make hay out of archetypal stories and the embodiment of heros.

>>129554450
Yes that's it

>>129553342

>Hitchens, Buckley, Chomsky
>.......Laci Green

wut?

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>>129553999
You should stop posting until you understand Peterson a bit more.

Watch some more videos, the one posted here >>129554391
is a good start.

>>129550382
He is not an original thinker, true, and I also think the cult that has formed around him is dumb but as >>129550724 said he is a great educator.
I found out about him just as I was pondering about many of the topics he addresses so I was instantly hooked. I have immense respect for him and can safely say he has been one of the best teachers I've ever had.

>>129550382
He's no Jung or anything. He's honestly a mediocre psychologist and an annoying lolbertarian. He's just the only academic with the balls to speak out.

>>129550382
Haven't browsed in a while but there seems to be an upswing in anti-Peterson threads.

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>>129554698

It's the low life liberal who are throwing childish temper tantrums because Peterson speaks the truth and it hurts the liberal's little feelings.

I say we should just gas all the liberals. They truly are the cancer to a civilized society.

>>129554698
likely because hes in a university and has personally assblasted so many sjw's

>>129554698
part trolling, part D&C efforts, part gaytheists, part good old fashion /pol/ contrarianism

>>129550382
because most of the WJW's (white justice warriors) who frequent /pol/ are illiterate fucks who are easily impressed by someone who clearly articulates what they are thinking.

>>129550724
You're correct and I agree that this is where his strength lies. I support him and think he's great in this capacity. I think when you're beyond certain levels, you naturally wonder why basics capture people. I've just learned to let it go. If someone is helping people get to the next level, more power to them.

That being said, for people beyond this level, if you pay attention, you'll notice that he declares anything that gets complicated or beyond the basics as being : Evil. I watched two of his videos and picked up on it relatively quickly. He knows his audience and he's careful not to let them stray into unknowns w/o the basics. What he declares isn't evil. It's just that next level of reality.

People beyond this probably have already delved into more advanced material and well-spoken stewards of such material.

>>129550382
He was exposed as an intellectual fraud by sam harris in a debate on "truth"

That was my first run in with peterson. I couldn't help but "laughinggirls.jpg"

Since thet, ive became familiar with his inspiration talks. He comes off as a down to earth GOOD guy. I get a sense of genuine caring from him. Im a fake myself and i can easily sniff out fakes. He isn't one. Hes a good guy and im happy for whatever fortune comes his way. Well deserved.

I like him for that

>>129554836
Thats all you need, also, he does the best he can with the shitty toolbox he has. Gosh, this will never happen in hard neurosciences, people cant argue against biological facts

>>129555026
> WJW's (white justice warriors)
You must return.

>>129554173
>>129554450
Autism translated it.
https://4 + 4ch.net/pdfs/res/5363.html

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>>129550382
>He's good at articulating his personal philosophy, but that's about it.

you're right anon, I wasn't going to agree with your post, but since you gave him one compliment, you changed my mind.

>>129553999
>lucky to even be alive
That's a very materialist way to view the world. Why don't you try opening up to a more duelist view? Consciousness and physical matter/brain structure aren't 100% linearly connected. I'd suggest looking into qualia and the more mathematically supported parts of synchronicity theory.

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>>129550382
Because he's doing something out there faggot, and he's not some /pol/ retard sperging out chanting heil hitler. He's out there changing people's minds and not like you jerking off in your mom's basement thinking he's doing so well fighting the marxists and progressives for posting in /pol/

>>129550382
Peterson is a good man who is trying to help society. This enough makes him worthy of admiration.

That he's good at articulating his perspective is just the catalyst that allows us to notice him in the first place.

>>129555061
>He was exposed as an intellectual fraud by sam harris in a debate on "truth"
I don't think you realise which direction the expose was on. Harris was exposed as a low IQ idiot to many there.

>>129555127
leafbro

>>129553342
brother nathanael is based

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>>129554391
Peterson's take on religion is a little silly.
Read Schopenhauer's dialogues on religion. Once religion is interpreted as allegory, its functionality is destroyed. You can recognise its utility as an atheist, but you will never be under its spell. Religion requires real metaphysical belief. Religion may work for secular society as a whole, but its only meaningful and fruitful and beautiful for the individual if they believe in it.

>>129554450
Nietzsche recognised German antisemitism as stemming from envy and resentment - maladaptive attitudes. He admired the Jews for their success.
I don't know what source to provide but just look up "nietzsche jews" or "nietzsche anti-semitism"

>You have committed one of the greatest stupidities — for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me again and again with ire or melancholy. … It is a matter of honor with me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal in relation to anti-Semitism, namely, opposed to it, as I am in my writings.

I agree with this quote in particular though.
>Unpleasant, even dangerous, qualities can be found in every nation and every individual: it is cruel to demand that the Jew be an exception. In him, these qualities may even be dangerous and revolting to an unusual degree; and perhaps the young stock-exchange Jew is altogether the most disgusting invention of mankind.
We can critique every people and nation for their own problems, but as soon as we even suggest a problem endemic to Jewish people it is "anti-semitism". Sad.

>>129555322
you obviously haven't listened to his arguments on religion. Myth is only one aspect of its importance. His stance on truth, which you may or may not agree with, shouldn't be ignored

>>129554611
No, it's more than that. It is also a philosophical and religious system.

Much of his philosophy stems from the blood of German and European people, and as such it promotes the ideals of the European. That's until he gets to his humanistic ideas, and Christianity, which is a perverted semitic anti-european philosophy.

>>129554972
Or maybe you could talk with people who have a difference of opinion. But that's not what the manual says, is it?

>>129555322
>We can critique every people and nation for their own problems, but as soon as we even suggest a problem endemic to Jewish people it is "anti-semitism". Sad.
That's where your wrong man, and it's where people like this turncoat Peterson flourish. Read Kevin Macdonald's Culture of Critique to see the extent of the Jewish people's damage done to Europe. It's sickening.

>>129555582
>read Kevin Macdonald
You've redeemed yourself to me Romanian.
Once you grasp the untold war fought between Catholics and Jews over porn you realize why culture has descended the way it has.

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>>129550382
*15 cents have been deposited into your account.

You've been doing a good job these past few weeks. Might bump you up to 17 cents a post.

Also remember to finish reading our Shareblue handbook. Really important that you memorize it https://www.scribd.com/document/337535680/Full-David-Brock-Confidential-Memo-On-Fighting-Trump

>>129555814
Go back to r/t_d faggot. The election is over, we don't need these milquetoast faggots anymore.

This shit has fucking got to be shilling. I've legit seen 7 shillposts without substance today that have been trying to discredit the guy.

Just know that for every post you make, you're getting him more attention and more eyes on him that will listen and know the truth

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>>129555200
Sorry retard, but jp tried to argue things are onoy true insofar as they benifit the human race.

Harris ripped his beliefs to shreds every which way. At one point, peterson was so shell shocked, he was speechless for a good 50 a seconds sfter sam harris layed down a masterful on the fly thought experiment.

Its a general consensus that peterson embarassed himself in that debate. His whacky stances on truth and religion fly in his class full of undergrads, but in a debate with his peers, he gets eviscerated.

Stop being a flaming peterson fanboy faggot and accept reality. Jp was destroyed intellectually vs sam harris. Rekt. He was exposed.

>>129550382
He is a father figure for a generation that grew up with psychotic mothers and depressed fathers.
In some way shape or form, even if your family was all you ever dreamed of, most of our role models and idols are fakes and imply double standards.
But this is a good thing, nothing is sacred, everything rots, we are all going to die some day.
This man offers ideals with understanding and respect towards the people that need guidance of any kind.
He does not force his ideals onto you through demeaning or self glorifying ways.

>>129555898
Dumb stupid cunt. Spending all day on your computer to make 10cents a post. Why don't you get a real job instead of trying to get our President Impeached.

Fucking cucks like you deserve everything that happens when Muslims bomb your dumbass and rapes your mother. Shariablue niggerfaggot

>>129555931
Yet you never seem to see any shillposts when people are talking about varg.

>>129556091
fuck off kike

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>>129555931
Peterson just bringing up Solzhenitsyn is triggering the marxists something FIERCE.
Peterson does nothing much original, its essentially a role being an intermediary between Jung and the uneducated uni student not used to more than three syllables in a word.
And that's a noble role to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-36KprOdFw

He also has some god tier memes.

>>129556144
Dumb Romanian cuck. Is the best job around there working as a Media Matters shill.

How many dicks do you have to suck over there to afford a cup of coffee?

>>129556244
You don't really sound American from the way you write, if I'm honest.

>>129555988
If you don't want to come off as foreign to /pol/, don't post a shill pic with your shill post.

Also Harris is a fine intellectual but he has shit memes and is an absolute retard when it comes to statistics. His red state argument is founded on complete fallacy and misreading of data.

>>129556308
proxy Hungarian?

>>129556443
proxy kike more likely

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>>129556358
>Harris is a fine intellectual

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>>129550885
For one he doesn't talk about just one thing. But everything he does talk about, he reverse engineers and supports each step with a thorough explanation of all probable outcomes. He doesn't discuss all possible outcomes, because that would be a waste of time and counter productive to the point.

What I don't understand is how random people on the internet who aren't even intellectually equipped with enough, actually think they know more than this man, or think as if he they have him "figured out" while completely missing the mark on a given lecture.

It's fucking insane to be honest. Amazing at how far our society bends over backwards to be anti-intellectual.

>>129555504
He's into pragmatic theory.
I'm into correspondence theory.
You'd think he'd be into correspondence theory since he's into science, but whatever.
I like listening to him, but I thoroughly disagree with him when it comes to his conception of "truth."

>>129553342

RedLetterMedia is.... JEWISH?

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>>129556547
>implying being an intellectual is good
I'm taking the piss my m8
I also find it a source of endless amusement that the worlds greatest neurosurgeon is a extremely devout to the point of insane theoretical Christian.

>>129556308
I don't give a single fuck where you think I'm from. Dirty Romanian jew

>>129550885
So what the fuck is your point? You started a thread just to say hey this guy doesn't know absolutely everything in the world? Quality thread

>>129556604
I totally understand. I don't follow him completely but I can sort of see what he's shooting for

>>129553342
too many pictures

Peterson is basically an edgier Joseph Campbell, or a non-hippy Robert Bly (a Jungian men's rights quasi self-help dude in the 80's).

I like him overall, but I don't like his support for the Conservative Party (which is neo-liberal, ori- immigration) and I think he misinterprets the legislation he criticizes, maybe wilfully.

>>129556358
> Also Harris is a fine intellectual but he has shit memes and is an absolute retard when it comes to statistics. His red state argument is founded on complete fallacy and misreading of data.

How on Earth could you say that? Have you seen his 'Moral Landscape' argument? It's absolute balderdash. He talks about stuff that's known to be impossible with the axioms of mathematics.

Have you seen his AI argument? It ignores Zeno's paradox.

Even someone who just reads philosophy for fun (like me) would have caught such nonsense.

Basically people like him because he tells the truth. He's honest, non-liberal, and tells it like it is. Which is why you're shilling so hard against him

>>129554013
Fuming /pol/acks complaining about "muh nat soc" aren't gonna change any sane person's opinion of him. It's pretty autistic to unironically believe in Nazism.

>>129555988
>Sorry retard, but jp tried to argue things are onoy true insofar as they benifit the human race

Get a better handle on Petersons metaphysics man.

He's talking about using Darwinian logic in an attempt to be able to draw ought's from is's, which is a problem that Hume recognised at the beginning of his life and that is yet to be solved.

>>129556814
That bill is a horrendous mess and it sickens me to see a Leaf defend it for the freespeech is hatespeech bullshit it is.

>>129556358
Funny, because ive been browsing 4chan daily since 2005 kid. Shut the fuck up

>>129557001
>It's pretty autistic to unironically believe in Nazism.
why?

>>129557001
This is gonna get a lot of (you)'s

>>129557056
GTFO larp!

>>129550382
I like him, but I find his voice irritating to listen to for very long.

>>129556994
>harris is a fine intellectual
That's the joke muh dude, the word intellectual is not all positive. But I am intrigued, give the red pill on the Moral Landscape. Does it pull the usual card of saying happiness should be the only goal in life?

>>129556229
>Solzhenitsyn is triggering the marxists something FIERCE.
Where have you seen this?
I'd like to look into this.

>>129553342
Shit now I have to stop liking Ben Shapiro? You aussies and your fierce well made collage pictures.

>>129550382
Don't worry about Peterson burger, I'm sure he'll be able to go through life without your personal approval.

>>129555582
>Much of his philosophy stems from the blood of German and European people, and as such it promotes the ideals of the European

All of that might be part of what you think nat soc is but it's not exclusive to it.

You can believe in those things without being an authoritarian, it's just being a traditional conservative.

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>>129557056
Oh fuck me, you even pulled the been here since X card.

>>129556731
>>129557245
nice ""joke"" :)

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>>129550382

>>129553342

Harold Bloom? Really?

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>>129550382
He is groundbreaking and redpilled for a Canadian. He is like a nigger scientist. The right parades him around just like the left parades any chimpanzee who touches a beaker.

>>129557343
>You can believe in those things without being an authoritarian
Sure, you can, but you can't believe them, and then be pro-jew.

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>>129557285
>burger meme

>>129557259
I'll give you a fun aussie activity, go on /lit/ right now and post just the cover of Gulag. Then some quotes and excerpts to bump the thread along.

/lit/s a slow board, but watch the autistic screeching grow overtime. Guaranteed replies.
Bonus points if you do it to /his/ as well.

>>129553368
Jesus you're retarded

>>129557390
You can keep it friend XD
it's yours!

>>129557535
why?

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>>129557479
>DERP A DOO WILL JORDAN PETERSON EARN MUH APPROVAL?

>>129557284
i didnt make it but thanks

>>129557614
sorry that was mean

>>129550885
> sort
> clean
> bucko

Yeah I know what you mean, people are dummies. And yes he's too speculative for my taste but he does good work. I'm always glad to have my ideas further inter-connected, which he's doing. And putting vivid images with them - eg Tiamat - when you're confused you've got to be all eyes and pay attention. Stuff like that. As well as solid everyday advice.

>>129557140
>>129557361
Thats legitimate mind you.

2005 was the year 4chan ddosed and raided my home forum with lemon party bullshit. They completely crashed the site. Our entire community was ruined and inaccessible for weeks.

TWO THOUSAND FUCKING FIVE.
What where you even doing in 2005? Graduating from kindergarten? I bet you joined after gamergate.

Newsflash I've been apart of history. Ive posted on 4chan pre web 2.0 and ive posted BEFORE the fucking captcha. Ive stormed the poold of habbo. I was on the front lines for all the great raids you kids grew up hearing about. I was fucking there. I fought viciously against boxxy fags claiming her as queen. I mocked project chanology. I fucking for this site and both of you little shits were still in diapers as i defended your freedoms. I made memes. I started copy pastad, I know better then to fuck with football. Fall out tree. NEDM. I went to the old man's birthday.

Seriously fuck you guys. This is no way to talk to an oldfag. You should know an oldfag just by the way i carry myself.

>>129557245
Harris claims you can measure well being ness of all organisms on earth. This gives you an n-tuple (that is n real numbers say (x1,x2,x3,...,xn)).

He then argues that there is an ordering on these numbers. And how your action moves on this order is what determines morality. This is how muh science gives you morality without any axioms.

The flaw is that if n > 1, then a fairly deep theorem in mathematics says that there is no natural ordering of such n-tuples, and thus to make such an ordering you will have to make more axioms (which is what any system of morality does).

Thus 'The Moral Landscape' is not just some useless philosophising, it is patently wrong. If anything, it makes the case for religious axioms to determine morality.

>>129558030
super gay pasta

>>129558030
enjoyable post
+1

>>129558030
> Seriously fuck you guys. This is no way to talk to an oldfag. You should know an oldfag just by the way i carry myself.
Plebbit LARP detected.

dude chaos lmao

>>129552217
And who knows, maybe he'll rescue all our fathers, by resuscitating Bible stories by filling them with evolutionary psychology + personality theory meaning. Won't happen, but every bit he does do, helps. Maybe in 10 years some religion or other thinker will come along and do more.

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I sure find his knowledge of human psychology along with his professional experiences and style of lecturing impressive and interesting to some extent. In a way he cannot be all bad as he does recognize that there indeed is an undercurrent in our society which is harming the prospects of future human development. Postmodernist thought is a part of this yes, but the term itself is very general and not exactly fair considering that many great authors and social critics such as Baudrillard would fall under that category as well. As someone with a PhD in political science, I do find it troublesome that he is so eager to use terms such as "postmodernism" and "neomarxism" as it is generally discouraged within scholarly discourse to use blanket terms without an uniform meaning and which mean very little as a point of departure when critiquing a specific phenomenon or a particular point of contention. To that point I am a bit disappointed the ease with which he assumes to generalize about politics as he does.

It is clear to me that he, despite the best of intentions, is not aptly versed in political theory, the history of political movements as well as the technical aspects of government and legislative processes to make the generalizations and judgments which he is prone to when discussing these matters.

>>129558470
>As someone with a PhD in political science
Low IQ shill detected! Should be sent to gulag.

>>129558565

Way to adress a an actual point. A proper burger and as such a true scourge of humanity.

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>>129558030
Top quality meme

>>129558091
My convict brain can't handle this, but I'll take your word for it.

>>129558182
>>129558281
Im dead serious. If you are ever unfortunate enough to be apart of something for 13+ fucking years, wait and see how you feel when some random T_D fag tells you you try harder to "fit in"

WtF yeah im triggered to the maximum. Whatever Im going to bed.

>>129550382
Yes (((who))) could be behind this?

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>>129556604
Logical explanations can exist for why it's best to do something even if we can't, or even don't want to give one. Ways in which we've lived in the past contain morsels of wisdom that are pertinent even if they haven't been articulated. If we're to lose sight of what truly has, and hasn't WORKED it could quickly be our undoing.

Radical (change) is on the horizon, and Jordan Peterson warns about people like the fucking with hidden/neglected bigger picture stuff that HAS WORKED better than anything else ever has.

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>>129550382
He's the line in the sand. The one who refused to back down from the PC culture while it was in full swing and ultimately helped publicize the "redpill" culture. I wouldn't say people worship him but more or less acknowledge how his sort of mindset is beneficial to our society at the pressing moment.

>>129552919
I think he builds on his sources, and connects disparate fields. Eg I don't think Piaget came up with 'the hero is the guy who is good at winning all possible games'. He's combined Piaget and Jung there, with a nod to evo psych as well. He's a hard thinker, and his ideas come out clean and powerful as a result.

>>129558701
points for finishing

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>>129558688
The tl;dr version is that given pairs of numbers there is no natural way to order them. For example, Is (3,1) < (1,5) or more than it. It's not easy to make such an ordering without more assumptions.

>>129558843

Thank you for reminding me that it is never worth to make a serious point on this board and expect to garner a serious response. I mean that, thank you.

>>129555146
> Consciousness and physical matter/brain structure aren't 100% linearly connected

You saying that your consciousness could be re-implemented outside of your brain? I'm gonna need to see your license for that idea.

>>129558901
So you're saying that Harris trying to make objective value out of a moral less, pointless universe is impossible because from the start he operates on assumptions of what is and what is ought?
I think I understand the rebuttal now.

>>129558783
I see. I've not read any of Nietzsche, Freud, Jung, Piaget,...

But I agree that the ideas Peterson articulates are very clean and there are easy to see connections everywhere.

>>129559026
I enjoyed your post and I wanted to make you laugh with something anon, since I didn't have anything to personally add or contribute. Don't take my shitposting as representative, I hardly ever come on /pol/ these days.

>>129559096
Exactly. Actually, that's a much better way to put it than my autistic math argument.

>>129559026
>he takes /pol/ seriously
wow stop posting anytime

>>129559128

It kind of did so kudos :) Thank you anon!

>>129559026
GTFO shill. The moment you claim you're a 'phd in political science' unironically, you tell people that you do not fit in here.

>>129559174
I fucking dropped maths and did extension history, everyone picks the explanation they can understand the most.

>>129550382
>I don't see why everyone is so impressed with this guy.
And source to that guy?
And his ideas? And who worship him?

>>129553999

> I am an atheist and I think the fact that I'm a self aware cluster of molecules is amazing. The probability that I was even born is so amazingly small it makes me feel lucky to even be alive at all.

Hi Richard Dawkins. And you go around in this daze of amazement and gratitude and wonder, do you? And it's gotten you through hard times has it?

Anyway, I don't think either Peterson or Joseph Campbell would say these stories give you /meaning/ - at least Peterson says it's responsibilities that do (his existentialist part coming out). Campbell says the stories are for comfort - knowing that you're not alone. If anything I would say Peterson says the stories back up a more common sense approach to life, make you less likely to be caught up in some anoxic (oxygen-free) ideology like cultural marxism. (And nazism too, but fuck him :). )

>>129559204

it is not about being serious, it is about the imbalance which has been created on this board since it was taken over by /b/

>>129559283

Actually I do more than you, newfag.

>>129554285
he talks very often about "revivifying the father" and alt right / nat soc is all about fighting social decay and degeneracy.

He even once talked about the alt right. Something along the lines of "they've got the saving the father part right, but they haven't figured out how to be the son"

>>129558091
However, sam convincingly argues that, at least, science tells us SOMEthing because using this system we can avoid "the worst possible misery for everyone", even if we don't exactly know the details of the order.

>>129559409
>Actually I do more than you, newfag.
I've been posting here since before the flags. Stop attempting to LARP.

Peterson just uses the naturalistic fallacy (just because something evolved/is around/in nature doesn't mean it's good) and out-dated, unfalsifiable Psychology (Jung - see Elektra Complex, etc.)

>>129559483
>they've got the saving the father part right, but they haven't figured out how to be the son
What did he mean by that?

>>129555931
Exactly theres 3 thread right now shilling against him its obvious. Newest character assassination by shariablue?

Clean your room fucking disgusting commies

>>129558670
>Way to adress a an actual point.
So your ad hominem is an actual point? Who could have guessed.
(Oh, and please use a proxy in some other country. Sweden has shitty rep as it is without some califaggot making it worse.)

>>129554371
And to be fair, he breaks open a whole new world for people who haven't read all of the things he's talking about, and more than half a new world for people who haven't been smart enough to make all the connections he has. That's where his value is imo. Not that he's had no original thoughts, but 'Only Connect' - his connections are good and make you feel smart when you've listened to him, about fundamental, deep things, too.

>>129559691
maybe people don't like him?

>>129559483
>alt right / nat soc is all about fighting social decay and degeneracy
more like promoting it
nazism is an evil modernist hellview that destroy germany alt-right is adolescent sex-obsessed culture fuckers

>>129559567
It was not convincing to me. Once you establish your axioms, the fact that science tells you something about what's moral and what's not is obvious.

Without axioms establishing the order, the worst possible misery for everyone can be defined almost arbitrarily.

>>129559483
All conservative/reactionary/order based ideals are based on this though.

>>129559649
The naturalistic fallacy isn't a fallacy in this case though and if you don't understand why you don't understand petersons metaphysics at all. What has happened in the past is literally the only form of evidence we have for something working or not.

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wow the shills are out tonight.
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>>129559663
>What did he mean by that?

I think he doesn't know what he means.... but I think he ought to mean something like ..../pol/ knows to destroy the evil, but cannot build the society that goes in its place.
Something like that. Revering the father means holding civilization (and the sacrifices made to build it) in high esteem.

Becoming the son means building a civilization for future generations.

>>129559696

Jag påpekade blott att individen som svarade på min post valde att göra så genom personangrepp istället för att adressera kontentan av den kritik som jag lyfte fram. Hur mitt understrykande av detta är liktydigt med "ad hominem" får du gärna förklara för mig, givet att du ens besitter en basal förståelse av vad begreppet betyder.

>>129555504
>His stance on truth, which you may or may not agree with, shouldn't be ignored.
>"Facts aren't necessarily true" - Jordan Peterson
>A bunch of naturalistic fallacies - Jordan Peterson.

>>129559932
> A proper burger and as such a true scourge of humanity.
is not ad hominem. Only Achmed from Sweden using google translate could make such a claim.

>>129554958
Yes, it used to be only the bitter 'conquer the garbage truck' guy, but he's dialed down. I wonder what the repulsion is. In the earlier days people were praising him. Despite being half-full of enemies, these are still probably the best, most thoughtful and educated threads on /pol/.

I have no insight as to what the change might be. People tiring of the memes but unable to concentrate + watch enough to get more out? Probably that's just meanness - Jordan is a very good explainer.

>>129550382
I like him because it's like going to chirch without the hocus pocus

>>129559778
It's not entirely arbitrary though because we can imagine a world where everybody is absolutely miserable.... whatever you imagine for that case, we can imagine a world which is exactly the same where everybody is absolutely miserable except for the detail that there is one family of people who isn't.

Sam's claim is that people do not order the set arbitrarily. We all agree (due to our shared evolution) on some common elements of the ordering. So that everybody will agree that the second world we've imagined is better than the first.... in the same way that everybody agrees it is better for a man to be healthy than it is for him to be suffering with illness.

>>129559663
"while they understand the importance of preserving culture, the society they're proposing is faulty and not viable"

like the guy I was replying to said, he's anti-authoritarian. He thinks the third reich was people trying to cope with the death of god by worshipping government. This lead to the destruction caused by nazi germany because people were no longer able to separate the sovereign from the idea of sovereignty itself and the government could no longer be held accountable.

>>129555048
Ah, like extreme right-wing-ism? Relevant-to-/pol/'s interests? I've noticed when talking about how nazis are really just highly orderly he has no real criticism, just changes his voice, /think about that/. In an older version of that lecture he did call them /too/ orderly.

Anyway that was my guess. Where do /you/ think he leaves 'evil - nothing to see here' signposts?

>>129552582

I hang out on /lit/ a bit. I don't know that they necessarily hate him as much as his novelty. Usually somebody will post a Jordan Peterson thread thinking it'll be safely quarantined from the shilling and shitposting you get on /pol/ and they want to have a meaningful discussion about his worldview.

But most of the stuff they have is from his lectures uploaded onto YouTube or not /lit/ at all. I have to agree that Jordan Peterson's biggest strength is his acumen as a clinical psychologist and a critic of academia. But I tried listening to his maps of meaning stuff where he rambles on about symbolism and meaning in the Bible and Pinocchio. He has a lot of influences that are /lit/ like Orwell, Solzhenitsyn, Nietzsche but that stuff should probably be discussed on it's own.

I personally thinking Jordan Peterson is great. Nevermind the ess-jay-dubbayoo slaying and the pozzedmodernism. He's tackling arguably the biggest problem we aren't doing much about. The existential crisis of young men in the western world.

Because of him I'm seriously thinking of becoming a teacher and doing my part for boys and young men.

>>129559096
Harris says the only axiom you need is that eternal torture forever for everybody is bad. Heaven and hell are all about well-being anyways. Why not want to go to hell?

>>129559733
He's Deepak Chopra for idiots.

>>129550382
Dead philosophers don't defend and argue for their ideals. We need alive flesh and blood people to do that. Peterson is doing that.

>>129559899
>The naturalistic fallacy isn't a fallacy in this case though
Yes, it is.

>What has happened in the past is literally the only form of evidence we have for something working or not.

That doesn't make what happened in the past good. Islam is going to be around longer than Christianity (minus the LARPers), that doesn't make Islam/brainwashing/etc. good.

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>>129560792
>for idiots.

>>129558030
kek now this is fresh pasta, saved

>>129560911
>Yes, it is
No, it isn't
>Islam is going to be around longer than Christianity
lol no, maybe in Canada

>>129550885
People will usually chose to follow an individual over an ideology or moral principles. It's a very human thing to do.

For example, Trump only got elected because people loved Trump as an avatar for their ideals, not because they followed the movement for anti-globalism and nationalism.

Peterson is joining people like Hitchens and Molyneux in the cult of personality hall of fame.

>>129560426
See given two numbers over the reals how to order them is an entirely non-trivial question. It's also not clear how you'd compute an absolute worst case. Just look at the case with 2 organisms. Is (100000,1) better or worse than (2,2) in his setting?

> Sam's claim is that people do not order the set arbitrarily.

No. It is not. That's precisely the point.

> in the same way that everybody agrees it is better for a man to be healthy than it is for him to be suffering with illness.

Again no. What if the man was Stalin, or Pol Pot. Everyone does not agree with such things.

Even in a static system everyone will agree with a move only if it imporves everyone's well being. And only an exponentially small set of moves do that.

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>>129556814
No, you can catch fragments of it that seem straightforward and well-intentioned, but it has several parts including those 'boards' or juntas or whatever they are, and the powers given them are not tidily, sanely written like the law itself seems to be. He brings this all up in one of his videos - he did a debate with lawyers on the other side, and held his own. As the Aus bro says, it's a mess. Plus its consequences are, forced speech, which is bass-ackward in any legal system.

>>129560915
Jordan Peterson is for idiots who get enthralled by people who use big words and talk with emphasis and bullshit wishy-washy words like Deepak Chopra. JP's ideas are full of holes, he got destroyed by Sam Harris on the first podcast, in which JP tweeted "Sam's not giving an inch!" like he won or something. He's a self-aggrandizng moron.

>>129550382
He's said as much himself. Interviewers always ask him what he thinks about all the people tuning in to him on the internet and he always responds the same way: he couldn't believe that so many young men were reacting to the normal common knowledge shit he was saying like "improve yourself" and "clean your room" as if they had never heard it before.

It's more a sign of the terrible state the youth has fallen into than of anything great about him in particular. Like you said, he's just good at speaking and expressing his own thoughts.

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>>129550382
Just give me a quick rundown what he thinks of Israel and we will know why (((alt-right))) supports him.

>>129560708
The point is that you can not get very far with that axiom. What if I and you are two people in the system and we give you eternal torture and me eternal pleasure vs one which gave both of us small pleasure?

Who decides which is better.

>>129561088
>No, it isn't
Yeah, it is you fucking idiot. Just because something is evolved doesn't mean it's good.

>lol no, maybe in Canada

and pretty much every 1st world country.

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>>129550382
He's the new Christopher Hitchens.
Fanboys literally cannot get enough.
>I CLEANED MY ROOM FOR YOU J-DADDY

What's that?
>white people shouldn't stick together in defense of their race and their nation??
>nazis are just as bad as the leftists who're pushing the postmodernist marxism??
>jews did nothing wrong??

Well if YOU say so it must be true! hahahaha
I am so smart and you are so smart and we are gonna save the West by cleaning all of our rooms haha!
That will surely bring down the Marxists occupying all of the universities!!

>>129561241
See Veil of Ignorance.

>>129561202
You sound pretty young, anon.
I'll be the first to say that peterson got destroyed by sam in the podcast they did.

It doesn't mean anything though. You haven't made any substantive criticisms.

Sam harris is for idiots as well.

>>129550382
At least 3 threads in the last 12 hours on here trying to discredit him. Fuck off.

>>129561262
>Just because something is evolved doesn't mean it's good.
that's not what I was arguing for but thanks for revealing your revealing how flawed your logic is
I don't need to waste my time with that

>>129561409
This, why are people so assblasted by him?

>>129551636
He dosn't like nazi's so the low iq stormniggers autistically screech

>>129561412
That's exactly what JP is arguing. He uses very flawed logic.

>>129550382
He's basically as far right as you can go on a college campus, and is the first semi mainstream counterpoint to the sjw culture that infests modern education, especially the humanities.

His popularity makes some /lit/ pseudo-intellectuals and lefty pol types butt hurt.

>>129559910
... yeah, to develop yourself apart from concerns about the 'white race' or whatever. Which Hitler advised, too.

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>>129550382
because they are young and that's what young people do when they meet someone wise who answers their existential needs somehow.

To his cresit he names the philosophers he uses and does not like to be some sort of a guru.

I don't know about you guys but I like him because he makes sure I know that, after watching his lessons, I am an auschwitz guard

>>129552343
>Weinstein
>White male
lurk more

>>129561526
no it's not
your claim is now being challenged for the 3th time
are you going to provide an counterexample

>>129561367
>Veil of Ignorance
Veil of ignorance is silly as that's not how decisions are taken. All decisions I take are taken based on what I think is best for me given my situation (and my actions from the past determine my situation now).
Even if you assume a veil of ignorance would you toss a coin and get eternal pleasure if it turns up heads; eternal torture otherwise, or take a mediocre existence. To me the answer is unclear. I know people who would take the former and people who would take the latter.

>personal responsibility is so shit
>r-right guys? ...bros...?

Sage.

>>129550382
He looks jewish so /nupol/ will suck his cock like tehres no tomorrow

>>129561126
no, all the tuples are the same size - one for every organism on the planet. At least that's how I understand it.

>>129561532
yeah thats why i left uni. not because i'm so right wing just because of the atmosphere. i wouldn't mind sitting in on a JP lecture and asking him some questions afterwards though. all my profs were shit and didn't engage any of the students. i feel like peterson would actually listen to what i had to say.

>>129561782
What? Each organism has a well being score. Say there are two organisms. The tuple(5,2) means organism1 is doing 5 in the well being score and organism2 is doing 2. (We assume that the higher the well being score is, the better you're doing).

The question is now is as a system is (10000,1) better or worse than (2,2)?

>>129561938
oh, right, duh. Well, you'd have to agree on an ordering. And you're right, no-one would, each would sort by priority from left to right, for 'me, mine, things that support me+mine', etc.

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>>129553342
>Ignore everyone who doesn't go full stormfaggot! The holocaust was a lie! GTKRWN! 14/88!

This is why we can't have nice things.

>>129561640
You can't be this retarded or stupid. Actually try to follow what the fuck Peterson says. Did you listen to the first podcast? Did you hear pretty much ANYTHING from Peterson? The whole thing is based on whatever evolved/has survived = good.

>>129561691
Guess that's why Sam says "for everybody" in his axiom.

>>129551688
so you are a nigger

>>129550724
I think this is exactly it. I haven't had courses in psychology before him, and what he says rings true. He's straightforward, honest, and speaks well. I'm learning a great deal from him and he reminds me of my own father, who unfortunately did not have a constant role in my upbringing.

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>>129562178
You people sound just like the milo defenders.
Peterson is a fine beginner level redpill, but this isn't kikebook so we should be past this point.

We already know all of what he's saying; "be a man and stop the (((postmodernists))))"

>>129562371
He's entirely dishonest about his atheism.

>>129562260
Sam says eternal torture is bad for everyone. But not that I should care about eternal torture to you, if it means eternal pleasure for me.
It's quite simple really. Only a moron like Harris would miss it.

>>129562527

Hes really not. His arguments about what God is and his belief in his existenc are near identical to those of the early Church Fathers, the scholastics, etc

Hell he practicaly repeated St. Anslem's argument word for word in a few of his lectures

>>129562620
Sure, if you're a sociopath, that may be the case, that doesn't matter for objective morality for all of mankind though.

>>129562191
first podcast?
are you talking about sam harris?
>The whole thing is based on whatever evolved/has survived = good.
no that is a gross oversimplification of what he says
name one thing we evolved that is bad and Peterson advocates it as being good

>>129562527
What? GTFO Sam Harris.
You're just an incompetent journalist.

>>129562753
>His arguments about what God is
Jordan Peterson doesn't believe a literal God is real. Are you saying the "early Church Fathers" didn't believe a literal God was real?

>>129562761
Hahahahahahahahah
You think 90% of people in history are sociopaths?

Even now Islamists don't care about killing you and condemning you to eternal torture. Even by liberal estimates, that would be 5% of the world's populations. All sociopaths eh Sam?

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>>129550382
This.

Let's spend energy helping mass media attacking and destroying our own rows again like we did it with Molyneux, PJW, Alex Jones, Sargon and all those female alt-right sluts who just want attention!

We are the k-strategists!.

I love cuckchan /pol/.

>>129550885
>He's not right about everything though.
We should ruin his career.

>>129550382
he needs to learn how to use less words to communicate his ideas

>>129562527
he's not an atheist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOAuiL_FE8
>>129562826
I'd say sam harris is dishonest about his atheism
either that or he's ignorant because does know about enlightenment but doesn't acknowledge what god is and instead looks at God through that shallow naive realist view
while it should be painfully obvious to him that the christian/jewish God is the same (no)thing Taoists call Tao and Hinduists call Brahman

>>129562766
>first podcast?
Yes
>no that is a gross oversimplification of what he says
No, not really. That's pretty much exactly what he's getting at. I just don't jerk your dick about fighting dragons and shit.
>name one thing we evolved that is bad and Peterson advocates it as being good

Did you listen to the first podcast? His whole Darwinian truth = good thing is a big naturalistic fallacy. He spent 2 hours rambling like a fucking idiot and getting destroyed in the process.

>>129562897
Again, veil of ignorance. As long as you say that eternal torture for EVERYBODY (including yourself) forever is bad, it's simply a case of not being some backwards fucking idiot.

>>129562761
>only sociopath can be evil
>no men of sound intellect have used their reason to justify mass atrocities

>>129562826
>he doesnt belief a literal god exist

Hes does.

>Are you saying the church fathers didnt believe a literal god was real

Not a god but the God. How much do understand about who and what God is? Not the pop culture idea of nice guy that grants wishes prayer or the r/atheism strawm man of a bearded sky fairy. Honest question.

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https://youtu.be/cXVDtICVwMA?t=1m10s

Here is a different attack vector. One that will work on many /pol/ people. Just look up everything he says about Jews. He admires them for their intellectual achievement. That's enough to trigger a lot of people here.

>>129553342
>lindybeige

them's fighting words

>>129550382

fuck off benjamin fischbein

>>129550885
>He's not right about everything though.
No one claims he is. Not even him. He even ask students to challenge his ideas before he begins some of his lectures.

>>129563122
>he's not an atheist
>"everything I'm about to say is a metaphor" 3:18

ATHEIST DETECTED.

>>129553719
>>129554119
What clever thing did Dawkins say or do? If the answer is nothing: What has he done for our/the right side?

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>>129563307
>Hes does.
No, he doesn't. He doesn't believe in the supernatural. He doesn't believe a literal supernatural being exists, he just jerks himself off for LARPing hard.

>>129558470
Oh my god a wall of text! You are so smart anon!
One more PHD is on its way to you! (Did you really get that shit in...Sweden?)

>>129558670
Sorry but what is your point?

All i see is a bad reaction to someone pointing towards those inclined to mindlessly support Postmodernist and Neomarxist ideology as the problem with the education system.

>>129563505
JP cultists would drink the Kool-Aid if he told them the black helicopters were coming to put them all in the tranny gulags.

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>>129562455
>You people sound just like the milo defenders.

Hurr MIlo is trying to subvert our movement!
You are only allowed to like people who are literally Hitler!
Durr.
Hail vigdory my fashy goybrothers!

No, seriously, this is why we can't have nice things.

>>129563180
you're just repeating yourself and missing the nuance of what he said
and if you think Sam Harris destroyed him then you're delusional
still waiting for that counter example
>>129563523
that's because God cannot be described by words or be conceptualized and any concept you have of God is not God
God can be only experienced directly
the only words God can be described by are
love, truth, I am, source etc. but you still have to look past them

>>129563625
holy shit I played that game like 6 years ago

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>>129550382
He needs to sort himself and his family out, I'm sure this vid showing his drug use will vanish soon
https://youtu.be/KqXZY3B-cGo

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>>129563863
What

>>129563828
Not even a cultist, I think he's naive as fuck on the race issue.

>>129563869
>name one thing we evolved that is bad and Peterson advocates it as being good

Fake acting like we believe religious bullshit? No, but seriously listen to the first podcast you fucking retard.

>that's because God cannot be described by words or be conceptualized and any concept you have of God is not God
>God can be only experienced directly
>the only words God can be described by are
>love, truth, I am, source etc. but you still have to look past them

JP doesn't believe in the supernatural. He doesn't believe a literal supernatural God exists. You're a fucking idiot.

>>129564109
I listened to it you dumbass
and I didn't say anything about supernatural

>>129563828
>retarded purity spiral sperg
t. fellow leaf

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>>129557485
screen caps?

I have printed some PDF copy of GA and have been told I will be arrested and removed from University grounds if I continue to disseminate the information.

>>129554698
character hit job by (((who))) else?

>>129564109
1. he says things can't be true only true enough that's as far as you can get with the limited human experience
2. for something to be true it needs to survive but also sustain itself which also means sustain the environment which keeps it alive

>>129564174
You just said some "God is love" Deepak Chopra bullshit. Go LARP harder you snivelling reject. When people talk about believing God, they mean an actual supernatural being.

>>129564316
because unconditional love is what you experience when you achieve enlightenment your ego dissolves and you become one with reality
it's the default state

>>129564209
Bull shit - I first got my copy in a masters level course

Maybe because he is taking actual action against commies in his country. Informing the public and state whenever he can.

>>129564303
>for something to be true it needs to survive but also sustain itself which also means sustain the environment which keeps it alive

And in JP's Darwinian "truth" model which adds in "good", this is a glaring naturalistic fallacy.

spencer and enuch are smarter than this cuck

>>129564038
Exactly what I mean.
He's just not a white supremacist/natsoc. People can have different opinions without being secretly part of some hidden jewish cabal to subvert your little movement, you delusional paranoid freaks.
This is the sort of stuff that makes normal people take one glance at you and then they do a full 360 degrees turn and walk away.

>>129564359
You're an idiot. Don't drink the Kool-aid.

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>>129564359
That's terribly narcissistic.

>>129563985

Yeah man he should just get rid of that hereditary depression, judging by his success he's obviously ruining his life with those anti-depressants.

>>129564316
>When people talk about believing God, they mean an actual supernatural being.
no when they talk about god they talk about wittgenstein-ladderesqe thing because you cannot talk about god unless you experienced God but you need to be able to communicate it some way
you're not supposed to conceptualize god because it's against the third commandment
what you're referring to as God is distorted and corrupted view from the wrong paradime
>>129564477
it's not a coo-laid Sam Harris talks about that bliss in his book as well
I think it's called spirituality without religion or some ignorant bullshit like that
>>129564417
still waiting for that counter example

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>>129564363
thus showing how far our places of higher learning have been corrupted...

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>>129564619
I'm sure spreading the truth of his drug use won't be a problem, then. You've got all the acceptable justifications.

>>129550382
he fights for freedom

>>129550382
>Exposes Marxists shills for what they are
>Promotes the family unit
>Tells manlets to grow up and defend western civilization
Why is he a bad guy again?

>>129564750
Course was "Totalitarianism in the 20th century" - taught by a visiting Harvard professor at American University in DC

>>129564768
Does he talk about anything other than legal anti-depressants?

He's covered this kind of stuff before and it's part of his clinical work. If your life sucks and you are depressed sort yourself out, if your life is great on a whole bunch of metrics and you are depressed then you've got a mental health issue that needs to be treated.

>>129550382
whats the best way to get started with him?

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>>129565004
He gave the drugs to his 11 year old daughter too.

>>129565043
start with personality course lectures and then maps of meaning and then his biblical series

>>129564935
He's not the hero were looking for, Nathan

>>129565043
>>129565128
They're in his youtube channel, just type "Jordan Peterson" on YT and you'll find it.