Have you bought an electric car yet? There are 100,000 el.cars

Oil

Once they manage to find a way to turn electricity into payment with higher profit margins, we will continue to get the "latest" hybrid models.

>>129532424
No thanks. The range on these things is a lie, espescially if you live anywhere that you need to use heat or a/c. Additionally the cost to replace batteries is more than the cars even worth. Furthermore, purchase requires installation of home charging port adding to the cost of ownership. Yet another reason to not own one of these is simply why? Youre compromising convenience for what?

>>129532424
I like being able to go 600 miles at a time in a car that costs 1/10th as much.
>running low on charge
>no charging ports in this town
>have to get it towed home and rent a car for the rest of the trip, then dring that rental back to that town and take a bus home.
Never again.

>>129532424
Because I enjoy driving and electric cars drive like crap, save a Tesla model S.
I'll take my Audi S4 for half the price and the ability to actually enjoy a road trip

>>129532424
nope...i drive an EMP proof mid 70's ford pickup truck that get 12 miles to the gallon because i can.

>>129532424
Because I have a lovely Audi A6 and she has at least another 40,000 miles left in her.

And I couldn't buy a Tesla without taking on debt, which I refuse to do under any circumstance.

when Porsche builds their Mission E car, then I'm in.

>>129532424
electric cars are not fuel efficient. all the petroleum required to make them offsets the benefit
>energy to mine/refine the lithium
>energy to manufacture the battery
>energy to transport lithium/battery
>energy to recharge battery
stay cucked

>>129540341
And then people charge the battery using electricity which is still probably 70-80% coal/natural gas fueled. And they have the nerve to call the cars zero emissions.

>>129532424
>all these Tesla charging stations all over my city
>like fuckin rows and rows of them at the big box stores
>never seen a single car make use of them. Ever.

Maybe if our government quit showering Elon Musk in gibs to squander on bullshit we'd have enough money to buy an electric car

>>129539628
>without taking on debt

Enjoy renting for the rest of your life

>>129532424
>be norwegian
>burn oil to produce electricity
>use electricity to charge car battery
>use car battery to power engine
>"herp derp zero emissions!"

>>129540638
same here in my city. A local grocery store made all the best parking spots EV charging stations but nobody used them. They used to tow normal cars that tried to park there but finally admitted nobody uses them and were tired of the bad press from people getting towed. Now they let normal cars park there too.

>>129532424
Fuck no. I just bought a cheap sports car the other month.

Most of my driving is long range so electric cars are silly. Had tremendous fun driving it like an asshat the other day revving it out and pushing to see where the traction limits are.

>>129541264
I laughed my ass off when they put the first ones up in my city - at fucking bass pro

>>129542360
everyone wants richfags to cum shop--but bass pro? lmao

>>129535939
Had a bad trip with mommy and daddy, eh? You poor thing!

>>129542360
There was some kind of class project to install a bunch of them on my campus. I was shocked to see college kids actually like pouring cement and ensuring that the pillars for the signs would be level.

They couldn't complete it on time and it's a half-assed shitshow. The campus electricians who ran the wiring are pretty much all that matters, and the parking spots aren't even in use.

And then they turned to the professional solution to install a set of real EV spots in an unused section of the faculty parking garage. But not even the president of the university suffers himself to park there. It's a few professors getting paid to indoctrinate global communism into the youth while looking posh.

>>129537491
>because I'm stupid

ftfy

>>129532424
>There are 100,000 el.cars in Norway, but only 500,000 in the US?
I'm sorry that our country is fuckhuge massive compared to Norway and we need more than a 100-200 mile range. You can fit 25 Norways into the US.

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I still drive a '99 Toyota Avalon that I inherited from my deceased grandfather.

120,000 miles and it just keeps going. Don't see any reason to stop using it.

>>129543353
Jesus Christ nigger did your grandpa just drive that thing 2 blocks up the street to go to the grocery store once a week? 120k is nothing for a car that old. Make sure you keep up with oil changes and that thing will last you for years, 90s jap cars go forever

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>>129532424
>Have you bought an electric car yet?
No, OP, this is stupid.

Fox news tells me that more energy is lost burning fossil fuels and then converting the heat into electricity and then transporting said electricity to a car to power an electric engine than what would be lost by burning fossil fuel to begin with.

>>129543740
True story. My previous one was so rock solid I forgot that some maintenance items should be based on age and rather than mileage.

And I'd just put in new shocks, too ;_;

>>129543813
Wrong. Fuel efficiency of cars is like 20%, plus pollution centralized grid power is ten times,es more effociemt and less polluting.

>>129544161
are you implying the news lies to me?

>>129544161
Buy an old mechanical diesel, convert it to run on oil, and then get arrested in the UK because it smells like french fries since that's where you got your waste oil and you're a bad person for not paying your taxes.

>>129532424
They only make sense as a green power solution if you have nuke power. Batteries are a nightmare on the environment. Rich faggots toys.

>>129544571
or wind
or solar
or hydro
or thermal

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>>129532424
>Have you bought an electric car yet?

No because I am not a retarded, reefed up methcrackwhore butthole sniffing faggotron.

No way I'm touching an all digital POS that gets 30% less mileage during cold weather because of MUHHH BATTERIES aren't as efficient.

Also the power still needs to be generated somewhere, such as a fucking power plant you fucking imbecile imbred morons. That electrical power needs to be transferred over hundreds of miles of lines on average to reach to your house, suffering immense efficiency loss and then down converted in your house so you use your 120V charger to charge your motherfucking imbecileshitskin Tesla you nignogmoney tree climbing sasquatch fucktard. So essentially to power any fucking Tesla compared to a normal nonfucktard car, you need around twice the fossil fuels used to move it a single fucking mile. Compare this to just processing the "raw oil" into usuable gasoline grades and then using existing gasoline to transport it. Far less fucking energy loss overall compared to a normal fucking car for normal fucking people who can actually think about the grander scale of things.

The only good reason to push Tesla in the minds of certain people would be more government control over your private life and the ability to kill you at will with your suicidebot Tesla car which is fully controlled by onboard software. Watch Terminator 1-3, maybe you will actually fucking learn a fucking thing or two baboon assfarting fuckwads.

>>129545473
generating energy in gasoline cars is around 20% efficient. If you generate it in a power plant its 50% efficient. It is 2.5x more efficient to burn your fossil fuel in a power plant

>>129545784
I'm having a bit of trouble making my car even less efficient. Even if I flog it like a cute little boy I can't get the MPG to go down by more than 1.

Battery technology is still crap.

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>>129532424
sell it to me when i can drive it for days without charging it until then fuck off

>>129545784
Not 45% energy efficient. And now you have to move that power to someone's house via multitude of power lines, energy transformers, local power stations, more lines and finally someones house or apartment where there is another transformer.

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>>129546064
if you never move the car it wont get above 1mpg

>>129545784
>efficiency efficiency efficiency
i don't give a fuck about efficiency when i'm out of petrol in the middle of the bush, 1 1/2 hours away from the nearest petrol station. i want to be able to fill my car up and go. i can't do that with an electric car.

>>129544934
All of which are grossly inefficient and never make back the investment.

Truth is, most US electric cars trace their charge back to coal.

But shh! We mustn't let facts disappoint the Utopians!

>>129546280
I move it like somebody spanked it in the ass and it still doesn't go down more than 1MPG. It's great. I love technology.

People only care about electric cars when gas is high. Never before have I seen so many big SUVs and Jeeps. I'm seeing even Hummers in the street. I didn't think those things even survived today. It feels like the early 00s.

>>129545784
>generating energy in gasoline cars is around 20% efficient. If you generate it in a power plant its 50% efficient. It is 2.5x more efficient to burn your fossil fuel in a power plant

Except you left out about 60% of the loss over transmission lines, and since electricity on the wire is a use/lose proposition, you have to keep the grid charged until someone shows up.

And when they do show up and take up a load, you naturally have to increase the burn on your fossil fuels; better be ready, or anticipate that load or it'll all go down the shitter

It's great if you love dense but hopeless Utopian schemes, not so great if you're having a heart attack and trying to get to hospital

>>129546542
Dealerships are having problems moving inventory even in wealthy areas. Now that the communist cash4clunkers wave is played out this is a phenomenal time to buy for anybody who has the means.

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>>129545784
>>129546196
50% my ass you fucking imbecile.

Facts still stand, it costs more in overall fossil fuel utilization to move a Tesla one fucking mile vs a comparable conventional gasoline engine car.

Just call them what they are

Coal cars

Coalburners

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>>129537491
kek Oil cuck

>why aren't you driving the electric Jew yet goys?...don't you want Elon to go to Mars?

>>129532424
>I'm stupid.
Did you have a fucking point or are you just here doing market research?

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>>129546196
>>129546680
around 8-15% is lost by transmitting power from plant to consumer
>http://blog.schneider-electric.com/energy-management-energy-efficiency/2013/03/25/how-big-are-power-line-losses/
>>129546741
>>129546680
>>129546196
50%-60% efficiency for natural gas plants. 2.5-3x more efficient than burning gas in your vehicle's engine.

minus the 15% loss of transporting energy on the grid (instead of in a big ass polluting tanker truck) and your still at 1.5x the fossil fuel efficiency of an internal combustion engine.

>>129532424
>Have you bought an electric car yet?
no, because I cannot afford one and neither can most people

>>129534268
>The range on these things is a lie
numerous people have tested and verified the ranges

>>129535939
>things that never happened, the post

>>129540341
just flat out wrong
stay mad that our factories are leaving your country and returning to us

>>129540638
a taxbreak is not a gibs
all taxes should be illegal

>>129541057
even if you powered the car with electricity from coal, it would still produce less than half the co2 per mile of a regular car

>>129543353
>120,000 miles is far
lol

>>129544571
most tesla charging stations use solar

>>129545473
>government control over your private life and the ability to kill you at will with your suicidebot Tesla car which is fully controlled by onboard software
any car made after 2005 can do this to you

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>>129547342
say that to my face bitch not online and then see what happens

>>129532424
Electric cars are in Hindenburg stage still.

If they take off, I may buy one. For now oil is good enough and more fun to play with and listen to.

>>129545473
>The only good reason to push Tesla in the minds of certain people would be more government control over your private life and the ability to kill you at will with your suicidebot Tesla car which is fully controlled by onboard software
Kinda like when reporter Michael Hastings Mercedes C230 accelerated out of control and rammed him into a tree at over 100 miles per hour the day after he emailed colleagues that he believed he was getting investigated by FBI and NSA.

It must've been one of those electric C230's tho

>>129547293
>50%-60% efficiency for natural gas plants. 2.5-3x more efficient than burning gas in your vehicle's engine.

Better back that shit up, faggot

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>>129547531

>>129547877
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_power_station#Heat_into_mechanical_energy

second paragraph

>>129547342
>any car made after 2005 can do this to you
normal cars don't have huge autistic chicken doors that will open on the highway at 100 km/h upon entering a command to the computer

>>129540341
The US government did a study on electric car pollution and found that the average electric car in America gets the equivalent of about 60 mpg when factoring in pollution during electricty production. They also concluded that 60 mpg number will get higher as more and more of the power grid runs on renewable resources in the future.

>>129533441
this
untill the world is run by ((((((them))))))) it's not possible.

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>>129547906
I'm right, you know.

>>129547995
im sure many people on here dont want to believe this tho.

inb4 the first tard argues with you

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>>129547995
The US government also did a recent study and found that Russia hacked the elections.

Proofs will be released to the public after more studies.

>>129532424
For all environmental Marxists out there
"LOOK AT MUH PROGRESSIVISM EU!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU

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>>129548002
right about what? Were not arguing over anything that was some other anon. I just wanted to call you gay

>>129532424
nuclear power is simply a steam engine

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>>129548213
There's literally nothing wrong with enticing another man in to a possible extended buttsex session.

>>129537491

Best burger, give yourself a shotgun

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>>129548313
Your the russian

>>129547948
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_power_station#Heat_into_mechanical_energy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle
>The LHV figure is NOT a computation of electricity net energy compared to energy content of fuel input; it is 11% higher than that. The HHV figure is a computation of electricity net energy compared to energy content of fuel input. If the LHV approach were used for some new condensing boilers, the efficiency would calculate to be over 100%. Manufacturers prefer to cite the higher LHV efficiency, e.g. 60%, for a new CCGT, but utilities, when calculated how much electricity the plant will generate, divide this by 1.11 to get the real, e.g. 54%, HHV efficiency of that CCGT. Coal plant efficiencies are computed on a HHV basis (it doesn't make nearly as much difference for coal burn, as for gas).

Reading comprehension and understanding. Do you fucking have it?!

>>129547342
>he can't afford an electric car
>he has time to shitpost on 4chan

Fuck off NEET. /pol/ became a patrician board on Election Day. If you aren't making 6 figures you DO NOT have the luxury of posting here.

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>>129548433
I'm glad we're still discussing gas and the best mode of transportation.

>>129532424
I very much enjoy my v8, thank you.

>>129543353
It's a Toyota...you could get to 200k easy. Just take care of the thing

>>129548235
Most large scale energy generation boils (heh) down to "make something hot to heat water and use the steam to spin a turbine"

>>129548506
I comprehend reading this and I understand that every energy efficieny rate stated within that paragraph is still over twice as efficient as buring the fossil fuel in a vehicle's internal combustion engine, which obtains ~20% efficiency.

Thank you for clarifying exactly how much more energy efficient electric cars are than consumer vehicles by proving that it is over twice as efficient burning a fossil fuel in a power plant than in an internal combustion engine

Goddamn commies trying to take away my 5.2L V8. Fuck off back to Europe and enjoy your 1.2L diesel.

>>129548172
That doesn't mean the one I'm talking about is suddenly invalid though.

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>>129548559
Oh, I got plenty of gas for you

>>129532424
OP is an idiot, the true God tier car is hydrogen fuel cell not electric!

>>129548735
What do electric cars have to do with communism?

>>129548865
Everything you fucking commie. You're trying to destroy the American V8.

Once electricity is generated with Thorium nuclear reactors you fags will still want to burn fossil fuels.

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>>129548778
Do you work on studies funded by the government?

I do. I wouldn't trust them further than I could throw them. They're hardly to be taken as canon.

>>129548726
>overlooking the fact that most USA power is not from gas
>gas power plant efficiency overall is still not above 50%

See >>129546741

>>129548991
I find that too coincidental to be believable.

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>>129532424
>People moved from sails to steam and from steam to combustion engines...

Are you really this stupid to think that going from gas cars to electric cars is in any way analogous to any of the transitions you listed?

Or is this just kind of a troll post to see who will REEEE at this?

Please let me know.

Thanks,
Jim Davis

>>129548959
>the "American" V8 produced in Mexico and Japan
FTFY

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>>129549149
Well I'm not going to dox myself. I also work on plenty of studies funded by industry, all of which goes back to the Jewal ReJew, whether it's government or not.

If you want to present a cogent argument, you can't just use some [citations needed] funded to come up with the cover stories that get more funding.

>>129543740
I have a 95 LS400 with only 135k :)

>>129540750
>Taking debt to buy an asset that depreciates rapidly over time
Good goy, enjoy being poor the rest of your life

>>129548828
rev up the nukes

>>129547342
>numerous people have tested and verified the ranges

They did with Tom Ogle's invention too. Do you know what happened to him? He was shot in the street by persons unknown who didn't take any valuables from him because he wouldn't (((play ball))). Sort of exactly like Seth Rich except for different reasons. Next you'll ask me who Tom Ogle was. Then you'll look him up. Then you'll say it was just pure coincidence.

Protip: You aren't fooling anyone (((Elon))) and no one is interested in your fucking pyramid schemes after you nearly killed Richard Hammond.

>>129549927
There was a bit of back room talk a while back that some of Elon's initial launches got taken down by the same sort of tech that keeps NK from being too much of a threat.

I have to give him credit for being willing to head up adventures to try, though. That's very American of him.

>>129532424
I've driven a model S P85D and while it was luxurious and impressive in handling and accelleration, it's not functional in terms of range.

The battery banks are just racks of 18650 cells common to laptops and vape units which are no compelling new technology. If there were some special magic sauce in there, that would make things different.

I can knock out around 390 miles in my petrocruiser in a single bid whereas I'd have to pull over to a prescribed location, likely off of my ideal route to charge a tesla.

When the happening goes down you're going to want a car that has impressive range on a single tank of gas, like a low spec BMW 5 series.

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>>129548547

>>129532424
Because they suck. Why would you get something inferior, when there are better solutions that are way cheaper.
Also: Norge trur dei kan redde verden med elektriske bilar.

>>129550226
Mate down the road has a 4x4 war truck ready to go that apparently runs any anything. Even stole quart of used motor oil from the neighbor to try it out but it stunk and smoked too much.

It's brilliant, as well as being big and scary and loud.

>>129550956
If I were building a war truck, it'd be a Toyota 4Runner with a couple of jerry cans.

Kawasaki made a KLR650 that can run on either 87 octane gas or diesel fuel, but that's a bike. Would be sweet to have a fall back /k/ cabin with a barn full of dirtbikes

>>129548547
>stop posting on 4chan on a Sunday night when you could be working!

>>129551573
This thing is I forget what but rated for all kinds of towing and geared like a hummer. It damn near has swamp tires, and there's enough ground clearance to drive over a fucking leaf. We've considered whether and how to put dirt bikes in the back in to deploy like you're riding around in Optimus Prime.

Funny story somebody called the cops on him once because they thought his fuel management system in the back might be a bomb. TOP KEK fucking losers.

>>129532424
>electric car
you mean hybrid with a combustion engine running most of the time when under load. there were more electric cars running in America at the turn of the 20th century than gas powered cars. we don't need your advice, Bjorg. go kill some baby seals, or something.

>>129552123
>being this retarded

>>129551901
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/ny-la-26-hours-28-minutes-gt-r-powered-dual-control-infiniti-q50/

>>129532424
Electric cars are boring and souless. I will continue to drive and ride petrol powered vehicles until it is no longer possible.

>>129551573
Kawasaki never made one. It was a private company that modified Klr650's for the Marine Corps to run on diesel.

>>129550956
2 1/2 and 5 ton trucks that were built for the military had multi fuel engines and your right, can basically run on anything. Fuel oil, diese, jet fuel, gasoline mixed with motor oil. They were never needed though and underperformed and were eventually replaced with conventional commercial diesels engines.

>>129551573
>KLR650

Absolute shitheaps, the better option is a Suzuki DR650.

>>129552824
It was important for the Air Force as well. That's how I learned about the A/F knob you could turn to run lean of peak for going the distance -- anathema to the modern car makers although they're getting in to lean burn piston designs more lately.

>>129540105
Nocturnal E Mission trim will be the best.

>>129545473
methwhores wouldn't be caught dead in an electric car.

They would most likely be found dead in a cheap sports car or pick up.

>>129532424
electric cars are fine if you are just going to and from work or shopping.

If you want to go on a road trip you are screwed.

>>129552824
Thanks for the correction pap.

>>129553000
That's a bold indictment, OZZLANDER. Have you owned both?

>>129543353
I have a 2012 Altima and it has almost the same amount of miles

>>129532424
Yes and people moved from Radio to TV, From TV to computers, And from computers to internet pornography. Truly cultural Marxism is a wonderful thing!

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>>129532424
Range.

Battery technology just isn't up to snuff yet. A typical car can fill the tank in a matter of a couple minutes, drive for the better part of a thousand kilometers, then fill the tank again in a couple minutes. An electric car typically takes hours to charge from empty, can drive for 200-300km at the absolute best, and then take another few hours to charge.

Currently, they are good for small city runabouts that don't really need much range and can just be plugged in at home to charge overnight. Once power storage and charging technology is advanced enough to solve the current shortcomings, electric cars will be a much more efficient and clean means of transportation.

>>129553658
Friend has a KLR650, been nothing but trouble, I've briefly owned a DR650, has better throttle response, better fuel mileage, lighter, easier to work on.

>>129554269
>owns motorcycles that he "likes"
>sells them

>>129554407
I'm 30 years old, I've been through a few. I didn't sell the DR either, I was rear ended by some dumb cunt who was talking on the phone.

>>129532424
Electric cars will become a thing if the government ever subsidies it permanently and itll be mainly for cities, never the outback.
>have new city being formed
>get the batteries efficient enough they can work in trucks and can be charged via special overhead powerlines (like a tram)
>ban production of non electrics vehicles (government layout plan required to recuperate businesses to stop producing fuel models after 20xx)
>exclusions will be industrial areas for long haul trucks which will be both fuel and electric powered
>power plants will have to be upgraded to handle increased load of an extra 10+ million cars recharging daily
>could reduce shitty smog in the cities while the the area around the powerplant will become alot worse due to increase load/output

Or alternatively
>some scientist accidentally discovers a type of bacteria that shits out oil/fuel as a byproduct to whatever the fuck they eat
>oil is used forever cause its efficient as fuck

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>>129547095
>The Hollywood Cuckmobile in its natural habitat

Pic related, '02 Continental. A proper car with a proper engine. Sort yourself out.

>>129554638
Sucks you got hit. What are you riding now?

>>129532424
No, I will never stop driving my Defender.

>>129552821
>Electric cars are boring and souless
This exactly.

>>129544934

>or thermal

What? "Thermal power plant" is another word for fossil fuel power plant.

What you meant is geothermal.