The Akkadian Empire could be considered to be the first powerful

>>129524905
>over 2,000 years before the Roman or Greek

Depends on what kind of Greeks you are talking about, because there were quite a few prosperous civlizations in Greece during the Bronze age.

>>129524905
I bet it could have been cozy to live in a village like that, trading dates and pistachios at the market and visiting the Ziggurat.

>the cradle of civilization is the cradle of civilization
At least they enslaved niggers right guys

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>>129525577
Maybe they would have if they had them.

>>129524905

Based in Africa? WUZ THEY KANGS?!

>>129526445
Why does everyone keep bringing up Africa?

>>129524905
>Interesting how non-Europeans had successfully created civilization before Europeans could.
Faggot OP doesn't know which ancient civilizations were white and which weren't.

Hint, the only nonwhite civilization was in China, and it came after all of ours.

>>129527776
>Now Middle Easterners are "white"
How convenient!

>>129528377
Or is this a we wuz kangs bit of revisionism?

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The Minoans (greeks) came around the same time.

>>129527776
>ancient civilizations were white
they wuzn't white

>>129529092
Yes,obviously the Kangz made everything first and then subKangz whitey just supressed the Kangz

Civilization came looking before the written record so arguments like this are largely pointless.

>>129530436
>Library of Alexandria
>The Vault of Vatican

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>>129527238
Because
WE

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>>129524905
At the same time the Olmec civilization was at their peak.

>>129527776
>we wuz first kangs!

>>129524905
No one denies that non Europeans have culture, the argument is that our culture is vastly superior. Rule of law, science, literature, arts, human rights, liberty, individuality, freedom of religion etc. Also, the west, Britain in particular, civilized the world. Brought modern medicine, infrastructure, industrial farming, industry and western thought. Look at China for example, they had a great civilization, but it hasn't achieved anything close to ours. ALSO WE WENT TO THE FUCKING MOON MOTHERFUCKER.
>>129528625
This and the Mycenaeans

>>129530624
They were the real kangz that niggers want to be today.

>>129524905
Europe had been colonised for far less time, it also was a frozen shit hole. Of course it was going to take a long time for Europe to flourish. Mesopotamia had a more agreeable climate, fertile lands and loads of natural resources. It was also in an ideal position for trade with three continents.

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7,000 years ago, Varna in Bulgaria was the largest settlement on Earth.
google "Old Europe Culture"

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>>129524905
There's one thing i've never understand..

Humans are here in this planet for 300,000 years, and the oldest civilization was only 4000 years old, there's something wrong here.

So we stayed living like niggers for 280000 years?

>>129533059
No.Humanity got nuked back to the stone age multiple times by aliens.

>>129533477
That's the only explanation.

Or we live in an eternal cicle, like mr skeltal coaster...The ride never ends, we stuck here forever. ;_;

>>129533477
Valid.

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>>129524905
> It was established in 2334 BC, over 2,000 years before the Roman or Greek civilizations began to rise.
>2334 b.c
>before Greek civilizations
>twf I'm Greek and actually know my history

That's cute, now back to ledddit, faggot.

>>129534171
fucked up, meant to say:
>mfw I'm Greek and actually know my history

Still, get fucked faggot OP.

>>129530616
WERDEN KÖNIGEN UND SCHEIßE!

>>129534359
.t turk rape baby

>>129524905
The Aryan originated in the far east and migrated westward. All these ancient ruins were build by aryans and this is evident since the modern people's in these areas are living far beneath the ones who build these ancient structures

>>129533873
>>129533943
There is evidence even on Mars having olmec artefacts and xenon129 in the atmoshpere

>>129533059
Yeah it's pretty weird, but they're finding earlier and earlier shit all the time
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Also alot of it is probably under water since most civilizations are created close to water and the water have risen quite a bit

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>>129534631
hello, mahmut, this is your grand-grand-grand-grand fathers head here

>>129530624
wrong, Olmecs were later

>>129531227
Lol OP getting btfo and not a rebuttal in sight.

>>129527776
this is a post I would expect from a nigger

>>129534171

technically its still 1000-800 years older than mycenean civilization

>>129524905
The problem today seems to be more about Muslims actively trying to take over than the arguments that arise over this or that historical cleverness having existed on some particular timeline any particular person can claim to be heir to.

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>>129535530
>what is cycladic civilization that was also sea-faring
>what is minoan civilization that was sea-faring also
>implying there weren't anyone on the mainland by that time
Come on, burgers. Pic related mycaenean warriors that could impale the mesopotamian ones like Vlad.

>>129535042
Nice Sweden.

>>129524905
Didn't Egypt and India already have civilizations by this point?

>>129524905
They were Semites, yes. Basically pagan Jews.

>>129533059
The Holocene is generally considered to only have been the last 10,000 ~ 20,000 years. This being the age of modern humans. There are significant differences between modern humans and humans from only a few tens of thousands of years ago. Because "society" in terms of informational constructs like language, art, technical knowledge, and so on exist on an independent timeline it is not surprising that people lived essentially like niggers until only a few tens of thousands of years ago.

This is the story that the existing evidence tells, and does not seem to be in conflict with what we observe about people and animals.

Consider that most of the world is shit. Most people are shitty. Perhaps high civilization is a rare occurrence to begin with, and perhaps its continued existence is always in jeopardy of losing its spark and being wiped out.

If we look at the European example, if the Europeans do not eventually resist the current influx of migrant people, some consequential number of whom have an intent to eventually take over, and also resist the current political trends that make people tend to vote for policies that digest rather than grow their society and power -- European culture will become a victim of its own success and become yet another historical anomaly.

This is very likely a process that has caused the demise of many other civilizations. The only two I am familiar with in terms of documented study and evaluation are Roman Empire ending and the Ming era in China. But we have other parallels, such as the Soviet Union (despite its inner brutality, they achieved quite a lot -- but "burned the candle at both ends" and poof!), Carthagenians and the Ottoman Turks.

>>129535530
Minoan civilization on the islands of Crete, Corfu, and Santorini (especially) was established in 2600 BC and was probably single handedly the most advanced civilization to date. It's sad that volcano erupted or else I'm 100% confident it would completely shadow over mainland Greece during the Archaic and Early Classical eras.

ITT: insecure faggots getting triggered by a simple historical fact civilization started with non-whites

>>129532854
>>129535042
The existance of a culture (pottery, simple shrines, buildings) doesn't imply the existance of a civilization. A civilization requires a higher degree of complexity.

>>129524905
>>129525191
There were about four or five successive waves of peoples we refer to as the Greeks
Dorians, Ionians, Achaeans, etc.

>>129533059
>Humans are here in this planet for 300,000 years, and the oldest civilization was only 4000 years old, there's something wrong here.
That's not true. It's only been very recently that archaeologists have been willing to accept that human civilizations go back further than that. This view that human civilization is only 4000ish years old comes from traditional views - to a large degree based on the bible, not the evidence.

>>129536505
Indeed. The initial post was rather unhelpful, but I assume that was the point.

Also, how do people define "white" vs "non-white". There is a lot of trickiness in the middle there.

>>129536505
>a simple historical fact civilization started with non-whites
If we're talking the modern conception of 'white' than you're right and there is literally no need to argue with this because it's already been proved that proto-civilizations were entirely neolithic. It's not up for debate.

>>129536505
Yeah but i'm sure we'll find even older finds. There probably have been several civilization ending events like the Bronze Age collapse.

The Greek literally became completely illiterate for several hundred years after the Bronze age collapse. Similar type events must have happened and probably even worse ones.

>>129536712
Largely based on cultures fighting for "im the oldest" title.Not evidence.Evidence is actively supressed to hide that civilization is going way-way back in to the millions.

>>129533059

Civilization takes a long time to ramp up. It requires not only a certain population density but the ability to produce large amounts of food for a sedentary population aka agriculture. It's entirely reasonable to think that we've spent the majority of our existence as small tribes of hunters-gatherers and the idea that this way of life is somehow inferior or less fulfilling than "civilized" life is foolish.

>>129536916
>The Greek literally became completely illiterate for several hundred years after the Bronze age collapse.
You don't know that. It's speculation.

>>129536922
>Not evidence.Evidence is actively supressed to hide that civilization is going way-way back in to the millions.
Oh it absolutely is. There are human remains in the Americas so old that carbon dating won't even work on them. Anthropologists just ignore them. They know they exist. They just can't explain them so they totally ignore them.

>>129526445
>american education

>>129537192
No one knows anything that far back but its well founded theory

>>129524905
They were Aryan.

>>129537219
You would not believe how much part the my culture is the oldest part play.Just look up how triggered the egyptian guy got by Hancock telling they didnt built the Sphinx

>>129537483
Then say "theres a theory about x" not literally.

>>129537219
>Oh it absolutely is. There are human remains in the Americas so old that carbon dating won't even work on them. Anthropologists just ignore them. They know they exist. They just can't explain them so they totally ignore them.
This. It's obviously something they are told to do, anyone ttrying to explain anything is ridiculed or is out of job.

>>129536916
That was just writing tho, Greeks ended up adopting the Phoenician alphabet in 800BC

>>129537764
>This. It's obviously something they are told to do, anyone ttrying to explain anything is ridiculed or is out of job.
It's not like it's a conspiracy or anything. It's just cancerous traditionalism. "Well I was taught X so that's how it's going to fucking be until my generation fucking dies. Deal with it." All fields are like this, unfortunately. Archaeology is by far one of the worst though.

>>129534741
this.

Akkad, a descendant of Adam, thus Adamic. Not Kenite(nachash) and not Khazar. Akkad(the person) is listed in the genealogies in the Old Testament.

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>>129537780
>Greeks ended up adopting the Phoenician alphabet in 800BC
This is actually a theory too, it's not based on facts, since, and not only because of this, there are also some symbols used in the greek alphabet, that predate the phoenician civilization, check Dispilio tablet, archeological agency also took almost a century to make it public. Theres also a theory that the phoenician civilization been influenced by the Mycaeneans. History we know is actually pretty false.

Sumerians would have only been a tiny weeny bit Aryan in the same way Armenians are a bit Aryan - they'd mostly have been brown.

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>>129537764
>Then say "theres a theory about x" not literally.
lel fuck you
>>129537780
yeah that is a pretty big deal if an entire civilization loses its ability to write things down, it was a major fucking collapse. other such collapses probably happened before that.

I think they will find new and much more ancient civilizations, if you would have said not too long ago that the BIGGEST bronze age battle ever uncovered would be found in fucking Northern Germany people would laugh at you
>http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle
>3200 years ago
>thousands of warriors fighting each other
nothing like this have ever been found, even in the Near East.

>>129538404
Why'd the portray themselves as having white features?
They were probabaly brown, but not Arab level.

>>129538444
Because germans were savages and didnt bury the dead.Thats not civilization,on any level.

>>129524905
Eurofags were too busy LARPing in the woods.

>>129536349
"Semites" are descendants of Noahs' son "Shem". They were TRUE Adamic not Kenite(nachash). The Kenites and Khazars LARPing as Israelites are not neceesarily "Shemitic". Noah also had two other sons, Japheth and Ham. Search the Old Testament to discover and be redpilled on which nations and peoples sprang from the loins of Shem, Japheth, and Ham. The Kenite Khazar Talmud worshipers have tried to fool and deceive the world that they are...Of course the truth is much different.

>>129524905
>Interesting how non-Europeans had successfully created civilization
they were white

>>129538790
You're welcome to find an older post-battle burial site.

But I bet you think people transported home their dead after a great battle instead of burying their dead at the site, so i guess that wont ever be possible

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>>129524905
>It was established in 2334 BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
"Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10 to 20-year period concluding around >>2560 BC. <<Initially at 146.5 metres (481 feet), the Great Pyramid was the tallest man-made structure in the world for more than 3,800 years. "
http://archive.is/H9i2R
"Ancient Egyptian DNA analysis reveals THIS about their genetics

A NEW DNA analysis of Ancient Egyptians shows they were more Turkish and European than African."
"The study, published in Nature Communications, found that modern Egyptians share more ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians did."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jFGNQScRNY
Too long and did not read?
>You have to go back.

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Archaeology is scarily political thing. It's very discouraging to hear rumors about things like the Jordan lead codices being so hotly contested by an archaeological society they illegally arrest a british team and were desperate to gain physical possession of the artifact after it was tested in the UK.
The Jordan Department of Antiquities are very aggressive in their dismissal of the codices authenticity and their attacks on the character of the man who discovered them David Elkington.

The lead is confirmed 2000 years old by UK scientists but is in firm possession of the DoA in Jordan who firmly attest they're forgeries.
And for extra /pol/ intrigue so does Israel.

Why the fuck can't I find any good information about this shit beyond fucking coast to coast am?

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>>129539780
>2560 BC

>>129537904
>It's just cancerous traditionalism.
It's also political, very very political. I would also go that far as say conspiracy, too, since this bias is coming through certain circles and societies.

>>129524905
Dang thats only 1000 and some years after the Creation...

>>129539780
>Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu
By the way, this is literally hoax graffiti. Egyptologists WANT to believe it, so they do.

>>129540111
>It's also political, very very political
It is, but I'm out. This has been a problem for decades because humans are cancerous plebs and it's never going to change.

>>129536505
>ITT: insecure faggots getting triggered by a simple historical fact civilization started with non-whites
I have no problem with it. It makes little difference because evolution works fast so whoever was on top 4000 years ago makes no difference. However.>>129539780

>>129539780
>Turkish
Weasel word. They mean Anatolian.

>>129530624
The nose on that head is clearly knocked off you twit.

>>129533059
The Ice age would have ground any kind of civilizations in Europe into dust so we will never know.

>>129540614
Yeah but really Turks are mongrels upon mongrels upon mongrels. Even Bedouins. So many ethnicities of the areas were subverted and mongrelized. Hittites, Assyrians, Mitanni and Kassites.
The chief thing to take from the article though is:
>the ancient Egyptians showed almost no sub-Saharan African ancestry and high affinity to ancient Near Eastern and European populations.

>>129538926
The Ice age would have ground any kind of civilizations in Europe into dust so we will never know.

>>129542259
LARPing in the snow, casting "ice balls" at each other.

>>129542373
Oh look, another spic who says Europeans never invented anything because he's mad his own people never invented anything.

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LMAO you idiots actually believe in all of these lies about ancient times? Listen up, bucko, cos it's gonna be a long ride:
>Welsh of modern-day Wales and England united
>began to establish colonies across Europe, stretching from Scandinavia to the Middle East
>all of the modern-day Mediterraneans are descended from the Welsh settlers
>Empire gradually began to fracture, the Trojan Wars being the catalyst for this
>the Trojan Wars were just infighting between Welsh lords
>it is believed that the name "Achilles" actually comes from the Welsh name "Achilliaethgwrodgarwionbrydd"
>many such cases
>empire fractures completely
>the Welsh who settled Rome begin to reconquer the old borders of the Empire
>but wait
>Jews
>the Jews sign a deal with the Nordics, Slavs, Africans and Persians, who were still angry about the Welsh cucking them
>lash out against the empire in a long series of wars (beginning from the sack of Rome and the Germanic settlements and ending at around the fall of Byzantium)
>Nordics, Slavs and Persians agree to brainwash the Welsh race into believing in false identities like "Italian" and "Greek"
>bastardise historic Welsh names like Julius Caesar (originally Iwlion Caeswr) and Justinian the Great (originally Iestyn Mawr)
>divide_and_conquer.jpg
>the Welsh race is systematically oppressed, which is why Wales, Italy, Spain and Greece are all complete and utter shitholes
Don't believe me? Look up the Black Book of Carmarthen. Our time will come, Nordics. Our time will come.

>>129542373
So why did Africans not have a super civilization The middle east at the time was the best place for a civilization to flourish.To bad they made up Islam and then went on a inbreeding spree.

>>129542498
Mexicans invented the internet and television, try harder.

>>129540266
Creation of what?

>>129542599
>Africans made up Islam

>>129542498
Even though he is half white....but still trys to distance himself from the part of his ancestry that was more advancedÉÉé

>>129542599
Civilizations existed thousands of years before Islam. I do not know what you are implying Justin.

Yeah what the fuck happened?

How you gonna get such a headstart then not accomplish anything?

Explain yourself Africa.

>>129542580
Reminds me of the finnish Khanate, what were the relations between welsh and finnish?

>>129542797
Mohammad hated niggers, are you talking about the white north africansÉ

>>129524905
it's called the cradle of civilization you cuck, Greece and Rome were way more prosperous

>>129533477
WE WUZ ALIENZ N SHEEIT

>>129542862
If white people weren't exploiting Africa, we would all be in space by now.

>>129542841
Middle eastern people are fucking retarded now because they are much more inbreed than they where in the past.

>>129524905
Akkadian = Semitic.
Sumerians predate Akkad and were not Semitic.

>>129543129
Too obvious. Refine your technique.

>>129543129
AHAHAHAHAHH next thing I know the nogs are going to start saying that lord of the rings was a real story based on their people history.

>>129543316
Watch the new Black Panther trailer.

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>>129542930
The Fins are said to be descendants of Brân the Blessed (Bendigeidfran) and his Band of Merry Men (Cnud o Ddynion Llawen); a lost legion that was sent to northern Finland that never came back. It is believed that Brân intermingled with some ancient race of hominids (most likely Homo neanderthalensis mongoloidis). This is why there are some Finns who do not look like complete mongoloids (some; the blood is very diluted). The Finns were subjugated for a time, but they revolted, leading to what can only be described as the first world war (look up the Defenestration of Tazmania). After the Welsh prevailed against the Finns, they became loyal servants to the Emperor. That's all we know from the Annals of history, however. What I can also say is that all Finns are descended from this historic man.

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>>129524905
how do you know about this (((empire)))?

also successful arabs are white lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

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>>129533059
>He doesn't know

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Save this thread Cnut

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>>129542930
>>129543517
The Welsh ethnicity of the Romans can be verified by pic related.

>>129543517
Theres no respect for this historic man, it seems. Teach the birds a lesson.

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>>129536452
>Tfw you realize image boards and chans are high culture

>>129524905
Whites are only 8500 years old (6500 bc).

Lactose digesting ability (to fully digest cow milk) is only 4500 years old (2500 BC).

Before that, Europeans were hunter gatherers and significantly darker.

Cows helped them make more permanent settlements and develope calorie dense food (cheeses) that were able to be stored for harsh winters.

If you understood history, you wouldn't say such stupid things.

>>129528377
Aryans are northern indian peoples.
If you pat enough attention, you'll see that there are Persian/Indian/Turkish people's that are nearly white.
The elites in thar area of the world tend to be significantly lighter than their general population.

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>>129525280
But then a bunch of goddamn horse-archers show up and ruin your day.

>>129529092
The caucasian race comes from the area around the caucasus, usually included in Europe but closer to the middle east.

Features like blue eyes and lighter skin first developed in the middle east.

Primarily European only traits would be red hair, green eyes, freckles, et cetera. At least, this is how the old model goes. Apparently it's under revision, on account of genetic mapping indicating that Europeans had these traits at least 30k years longer than previously believed, which means that caucasian traits may not have originated in the middle east.

And what this guy said: >>129530436

It's hard to know since the first civ we know about could have been Gobleki Tepe in Turkey, with it's circular symmetry having been imitated throughout eastern europe, and arguably at Stonehenge.


>>129533059
It's super intriguing, the guys who came to speak on Rogans show(he's a bit too laissez and regressive for me though) about the possibility that humanity simply hit restarting moments. Civ has been around for about 10k years that we know of. If civ ended today, that means 30 civs could have gone from writing,domestication, and the wheel to rockets, digital tech, and industrialization.