Would you submit to an authoritarian state if it meant saving

nah, i'm not a gutless faggot bitch.

>>129488499
Yes because I hate leftists and shitskins more than anything else in the world

Yes. Better to be ruled by my own people that another.

where are you, benevolent king?

>>129488499
Yes of course. A king or dictator is natural.

>>129488647
I'm with poland!

>>129488559
t. 50% white nation

Submitting to a proper authoritarian state is preferable to the current course of unchecked dipshit democracy.

That is literally my end goal. New American Monarchy/Empire.

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>>129488856
pic related

>>129488499
Fuck no. Because give me liberty or give me death, there is no compromise. Fuck tyranny.

>>129488499
No

>why?
Communists.

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>>129488499
Patrick Henry said it best "Give me Liberty of give me Death."

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>>129488687
this.

>>129489000
How is voting liberty?

>>129488499

No, it will inevitably be thrown over by the other extreme.

>>129488499
as long as faggots and their associated supporters were given helicopter rides, then provably yes.

>>129488972
>USA
>liberty
Ultimate kek.
You live in a police state ffs

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>>129489000
>>129488972
The founding fathers didn't know what was gonna happen...

They could not possibly have envisioned this hellscape, and if you think for a second they wouldn't have rebelled against it, then you're an idiot.

>>129488499
No, my loyalty is to liberty.

>>129489155

How is voting is liberty when 100% of politicians are bought to serve commercial interests that financed all campaigns?

You are really just voting for niche personalized social statistical propaganda, and getting an politic under a commercial contract with his financiers

Thats really not freedom

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>>129489509
Would you willingly witness all your people die if you were at liberty while doing so?

>>129489386

Sad image, it's probably only going to get worse now

>>129489822
I would defend them, obviously, and die with them if need be. I will not abandon my people, but if my people choose authoritarianism over liberty, they cease to be my people.

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>>129488499
No, because authoritarian states are the reason we're in this mess in the first place.

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No, because said authoritarian state would try to breed my people/nation into a servitor race.

>The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and demarcated with false promises

>>129488499
Yes, because democracy = losers rule

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>>129490227
It has to get worse before it can get better, anon.
Hold on tight.

I believe in Authority. Should it become weak, then it will fall.

>>129488499
Fuck no

https://strawpoll.com/829gffr

>>129488499
>extinction vs brutal survival
Hm, tough choice.

>>129490419

Is the road to liberty a road to hell? It's filled with full intentions as well

>>129488499
That's kind of like submitting to a farmer to save your species.

>>129489522

freedom doesn't exist.

>>129489509
Seriously, how does voting mean liberty? -Especially in today's democracies and republics?

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>>129489386
Oh look at that, once we started to abandon the Constitution and Bill of Rights everything went to shit.

Nope, because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

>>129488647
Long live Poland!

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>>129490405
It's funny because Asians females are tiny (the picture)

And live free or die (trying)

>>129488499
define authoritarian state

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>>129488499
We HAVE an authoritarian state: that's the problem.

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>>129488816
i found the triggered, gutless faggot bitch who loves licking boots and masturbating to black dudes railing white skanks everybody LMFAO.

Peoples/nations no longer exist, or are obsolete.
We must create an entirely new breed of people, via selective breeding from artificial insemination, in a process called Eutelegenisis.
This highly intelligent and talented super race will create world peace and heaven on earth.

>>129490611

Plz post more of Evola

>>129489386
plot twist: "founding fathers" were actually freemasons

>>129488697
So is plague, famine, genocide, war, etc...
Why do you always want a race to the bottom?

>>129491004
It doesn't. Voting is meant to hold officials accountable to the public. I suppose you could argue that this indirectly helps protect liberty, but I have no interest in making that argument. Liberty is protected by the institutions of law and justice. Voting has nothing to do with it.

Whether our modern laws and justice systems actually do protect liberty is another question. I find them lacking, though still a lot better than a pure authoritarian state.

>>129491180
And through what means did we abonded the bill of rights? We voted them away. You may argue that the populace was tricked into slowly chaning our government, but that doesn't change the fact that we voted for this every step of the way.

>>129491493
>Peoples/nations no longer exist, or are obsolete.

Islam doesn't agree. Neither does Eastern Europe or Russia. Or China. Or the Middle East in general along with Africa.

Fuck, anyone but the Western world still very much thing peoples and nations exist.

>>129488951
(((They))) aren't proponents of democracy, they are proponents of oligarchy and usury. They use the propaganda term "democracy" to sell their wars to the people.

>>129491493

I recognize you from multiple posts

Eutelegenisis can also be transformed on the age of CRISPR:

Select the desire traits that you want to put on your people, and spread it wide and hard. It will still be your sons, with high IQ or with super fitness and sick resistance. It will still look like you and get all the other genetic information from you.

I don't know about paradise on earth, but I'm sure we can all live without having to resort on manual labor for a good time. It will all be better if we feel the moral obligation to do it, and technology freeing our NECESSITY to do it.

Automation and AI can work for us, while we pursuit intellectual works. Thats the future I want.

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>>129491846
We didn't vote them away, a group of activist judges "reinterpreted" them away.

>>129489052
>real kings
>real aristocrats
Bullshit. Every "real king" has a shitty son that eventually invites the bankers in to shit all over everything. Succession is a path to (((ruin))).

>>129492160
False. In our case it was a Republican that invited the Jews back in.

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>>129489522
>>129488499
if by authoritarian state you mean an abolition of democracy and a return to monarchy then way ahead of you
real libertarians know full well that the path to freedom is through fire and hidden deep inside the blue square

>>129492142
Judges appointed by the elected president.

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>>129491180
Oh look at that, once we started letting women and niggers vote everything went to shit.

>>129488499
yes. we did few times.

>>129488499
Yeah. Governments change, and a free state can emerge again, but once your nation and people are gone, it's gone forever.

>>129488499
Yes, because authoritarian rule is about order and stability. If you aren't degenerate, are willing to work and love your country, what is there to really be opposed to authority over?

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>>129488499
Already did

>>129492225
this, authority is lacking in today's societies. This is a hierarchy that is orderly with God atop it: divine rights rule of the monarch.

>>129488499
Yes.
Because it would save my nation.
Authoritarian states can be reverted, a destroyed nation stays destroyed.
You're fucking retarded for even asking.

>>129492160
but that's exactly what evola is saying.
the shitty son is what ruins it.
The shitty son who inherits the throne, but neglects his responsibilities isn't a real king.

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>>129492268
Well, once they go too far we'll kill them, overthrow the government and go back to a strict conservative view of the Constitution.

>>129491869
This is so true, it isn't even funny anymore but just depressing.

>>129488655
this

>>129492417
Not all authority is created equal.

>>129492307
This is the real problem: the lack of cultural grounding. Islam is not the problem, nor are immigrants in general, they're just symptoms of the real issue which is a rotting of our own cultures.

>>129488499
yes. this is the idea of Kingship, which is derived from the notion of Family.

>>129492583
can be reverted back to democrats which bring about destruction of the country back again?

No, authoritarian states are inevitably destroyed by coalitions of nations responding to their excesses and crimes. If I found myself in one, I'd do my best to find myself somewhere else, knowing it was doomed.

>>129492583

It's not retarded, do you think that if this question were putted in front of the masses, that they would forsake democracy?

I don't mean that it's either DEATH OR DEMOCRACY, but INSTANT SALVATION vs DEMOCRACY

>>129492537
Dude, you're not even allows to say your son isn't a girl if the state decides otherwise; you're already in an authoritarian state.

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>All these Americans that believe that their nation was build on liberty instead of slavery to Satan

Did you forgot that the founding fathers were freemasons(jewish servants)?

>>129488499
I'd submit to a kind ruler who treated the people right. If they're douche cocks then I'm totally fucking beheading them

>>129492691
True. But that track requires delving deeper into the general question OP asked to differentiate between the many possibilities for the authority.

>>129492651
Hasn't that time already passed? Where is the revolution?

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>>129491320
Turin will save us

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An authoritarian state is the same thing as the destruction of my nation.

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>>129492583
>>129492834
>says the nation that is currently being cucked under an authoritarian state

>>129492656
No one will ever admit it because it's far harder than admitting that we disarmed ourselves at a spiritual level while our enemies (all nations are each others enemies, there are no "friendships") loaded their rifles.

>>129488499
Yes, of course I would. Democracy is a sham.

>All these burger cucks ITT
I see indoctrination did a number on us
>Actually believing democracy = liberty
Democracy is a soft variant of communism

>>129492751
Authoritarian states are some of the most resilient in history.

>>129488499
Submit? I'd lead it as an absolute monarch.

>>129492751

... Inevitably destroyed by coalitions of nations responding to their excesses and crimes... Why is an authoritarian state should always resort to crime and abuse?

Democracies always result in corruption, alienation of the nation main interests and moral exhaustion?

>>129492751
What kind of fairy land do you live in believing in that nonsense?

>>129492875
There wont be one, because no one has any cultural grounding or ideals to revolt over.

>>129489386
Maybe freedom to do whatever you want is not such a good thing if what you want is destructive and or degenerate.

>>129488499

Not if the Jews have any influence in that state.

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nigger where do you think you are?

half of /pol/ would be in the NSDAP if this was 1935

>>129491004
Having a gun means liberty. You can change your vote with a gun if who you voted for is fucking up too bad

>>129492782
this isn't authoritarian, this is a state that forces its secularism on others. Authority comes from God. Fascism like democracy, communism is not authoritarian since its secular and illegitimate.

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>>129492942
this guy gets it

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>>129492875
They've been doing it slowly and steadily, so like boiling a frog they have managed to attack us without us noticing. But there are certain hot issues, free speech, the right to bear arms, and due process, that people care passionately about, and should an attack on one of these rights be successful I don't think the people will stand for it any longer.

>>129492942
Democracy is probably the quickest way to erase all liberty because you can ask the voters to give up some liberty for bribes. No one is smart enough though to realise that these bribes are actually from ourselves in the first place.

>>129492917
>posting this with a nazi soldier image
Do you agree that nazi germany was a preferable government despite the lack of suffrage then?

Lol Americans are so stupid and servile goys.
>muh funding fathers created a perfect system and I will die for it even though it dooms my people

>>129492917
Your country was only created to serve the jew. American patriotism is the biggest blue pill. George Washington was the Antichrist.

>>129488499
As long as we can keep guns and free speech we can reinstate the Republic by force when this crisis is over.

>>129488559
fpbp

>>129491407
>dude OPEN BORDErs look at this BASED black guy MAGA!!!

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T H I S

>>129491708
What we have now is a race to the bottom a good king might actually have a chance to do something.

>>129492913
like the opposite? the democratic state has made you 56% white and brought unto you liberalism?

>>129493204
Do you think the Weimar Republic was preferable because you could vote but couldn't feed your family?

>>129493275
You wont though. How many of your gun owners have any idea how to use their weapons within a military context?

>>129489370
why do you care what goes on here? why?

>>129488499
Yes, humans are meant to be led in an authoritarian fashion. Absolute monarchy is the perfect form of government.

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>>129493251
I hope your children bow to mecca for saying that you ungrateful swine

>>129488499
If by submit to an authoritarian state you mean wiping out the jews and restoring a sense individual civic responsibility and morality in a population that is free of any but the minimal amount of government regulation required to promote the general welfare then yes.

>>129491180
you mean when we started letting shtiskins and women vote

the founders wrote the constitution in a time when niggers weren't regarded as human and women had no voting rights

>>129493433
>ungrateful swine

Why would a NatSoc German be grateful to America?

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>>129493204
No, Nazi Germany was terrible. But they did have nice uniforms.

>>129493275
Don't forget due process.

>>129493251
Germany's been serving Jewish interests ever since Hitler got into power.

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>>129488499
Yep.

>>129493472
It wouldn't matter even if they did. Our Bill of Rights doesn't apply to non-Protestants, but you'll be lucky to find anyone who would say that was right these days.

>>129492297
ya is almost like they are incapable of making rational dissensions

>>129488499
Only if not communism.
And no jews.

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>>129493251
you're going to have to try a little harder than that.

>>129490339
bluepilled as fuck

>>129492942
>Actually believing democracy = liberty
this exactly. If anything democracy is the quickest path to the death of liberty.

Fuck yes

14/88 niggers

>>129493621
no shit things have changed, im just saying that when you put the constitution and bill of rights up on a pedestal you can't ignore that our founders really fucking hated niggers

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>>129488499
Yes
The nation must be preserved at all costs, it is the source of who we are as individuals.
Added to that, Decadence and decay would be stamped out as a result of this, and Society at large would have a common goal, which is furthering the nation

>>129492942
>>129493202
These guys know what is up....

>>129493275
>we can reinstate the Republic by force when this crisis is over
so start the decline all over again?

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>>129488499
no. collectivism is wrong and needs to be eradicated.

>>129488499
i would intentionaly and unironically fight for it even if it went against me lol

fuck scamocracy

>>129493301

Soldiers, Workers and Philosopher politicians, where no one knows where our son is, because he has to be raised by the state, as he is a son of the state, not of his fathers, and patriotism should be enforced?

What else am I missing?

>>129493200
And again, this each step of this boiling was voted for. Your three hot issues are currently being withered down as well. Right to bear arms is now right to bear *some* arms, and only under a certain magazine size, and only semi-automatic, and no explosives, and only with a license, etc. Free speech is slowly becoming free speech but no *hate* speech. Every election is a fight to slow down this withering, but there is virtually zero hope for reverting the withering.

The officials deserved to be shot long ago. Once they finally are, we should cease the system that allows this withering to take place.

>>129493902
>invaders knocking on his door
>l-liberty!!

>>129493301
Except that bit about replacing the family with the state that did not workout so well.

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>>129493809
The Republic is not what caused this decline, it was our appeal to equality, suffrage, and centralization that started the long slow fall.

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>>129493202
Abso-fucking-lutely

>>129493433
>That damge control
Youre probaly circumcised too you fucking subhuman.
>>129493529
Usa was only made to serve jew. If I could travel in time I would join the royalist just to kill you fat fucks.

>>129488499

No. Frankly, the best way to remove non-whites in White countries is to just remove their welfare. They'll meander off to the next place to parasite from, or return home. You don't need an authoritarian state for that.

>>129493379
Switching to an authoritarian state because of that is kind of like cutting your own dick off so you won't be a faggot while you're raped by a man.

You're still getting raped but now you also have no dick.

>>129493653
Im dead serious

>>129494012
But the republic is too soft, too vulnerable.
It allows the factors that cause decline to seep into society

>>129493926
The merchants/corporations today

>>129493291
not an argument, boot licker bitch lmao.

>>129493978
so you want to be ruled by the same people who came up with the idea of communism, social justice, feminism and whatnot?

knock yourself out. I on the other hand prefer to be free and not to live under anyone's rule.

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>>129493946
>Right to bear arms is now right to bear *some* arms, and only under a certain magazine size, and only semi-automatic, and no explosives, and only with a license, etc.
>Free speech is slowly becoming free speech but no *hate* speech.
People are fighting hard against this though, because there is still hope for it to be turned back without bloodshed.

>>129494009
Agreed

Authoritarianism makes whites a slave class. Aryan volk voluntaryism is the only solution.

>>129494113
yep your country was taken from you and filled with shitskins and leftists but its ok because your daughter can abort the nigger baby she had!

liberty yaaaa

>>129488499
Yes, because I'm already NatSoc.

>>129493433

Ungrateful for what, for you helping destroying their country during war? What?

>>129488499
Dont block any websites andactually start fighting goverment corruption and you can make whatever you want

>>129494184
you didn't have an argument to begin with, just another shitskin civic cuckold who jacks it to BLACKED and upvotes pictures of nogs on t_d

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>>129494085
>Usa was only made to serve jew. If I could travel in time I would join the royalist just to kill you fat fucks.
So that Germany would get even more fucked over by the UK and Soviet Union?

No, I am my people. Fuck all of you

>>129494215
No obviously we don't want the same people in charge to be in charge again you fucking idiot

>>129494012
>appeal to equality, suffrage, and centralization that started the long slow fall.
such are the values derived of secularism onto which your state is fundamentally based upon: a secular democracy.

>>129494309
>retard still sperging because he's too stupid to make an argument

tl;dr lol. i get that you're DESPERATE for your superior's attention, but this is very low reaching, squirt.

A better question would be:

Would you submit to an nationalistic nativist traditionalist party/leader if it meant instantaneous salvation for your people/nation?

>>129494222
From my point of view, each election ia just a fight against liberalism and conservatism with the conservatives just trying to conserve the current society. There is hardly any current threat of reactionary, reversing the liberalism.

>>129494413
if it was based on egalitarianism why did the country start with slavery and a lack of rights for women?

stupid stupid chink.

>>129494426
Don't you have a Based black guy to suck off?

>>129494426
>"muh liberty" the cuck whispers as he dies after getting shot by his fellow negro countryman

>>129491180
Liberia has our same constitution, it did them fuck all. It's the people that make a place.

>>129494413
>secular democracy
Actually, it's a little known fact that the framers of the constitution intended no FEDERAL state religion but instead wanted the individual states to choose their official religion

>>129488499
Yes. I'd even join alongside them.

>>129490339

fuck off plebbit faggot

>>129494244
I actually don't mind other races as long as they assimilate. The fact they're not assimilating is a problem and should be dealt with but it's not worth flushing liberty down the toilet over.

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Trunp shoudl've been the final redpill that in the US the system is owned by elite jew bankers and everywhere the elctions are just a fake hydra.We think we are suporting our candidate but he is just one of the many heads and the heart is at the central banks owned by (((them))).
Why do you think fascsim is the most demonized ideology?Because unlike communism they refuse foreign loans and kikes and control them.

>>129493621

Bill of Rights applies to non-protestants. Founding Fathers discussed this, albeit briefly. Even when the topic of Muslims were brought up, nobody brought a counter-argument against their inclusion, though later on John Quincy Adams was quite vocal on how that was a fuckup. Of course, we'd be much better off it they made it Christian only. Never too late for that to change.

>>129494113
>getting raped by the democratic state is like cutting your dick off if you switch to an authoritarian state.

No excuse me, you demand this democratic state, you demand this raping. I realise this state allows for the raping and demand an authoritarian one.

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>>129494450
From my perspective I think I've seen more people wake up to the dangers of leftism with more people actively defending the 1st and 2nd amendments and even desiring to go back and get rid of the gun laws already in place.

>>129492142
Judges didn't make law, congress did. Judges just let them. Congress was elected. The problem can be traced back to the voters.

>>129488499
If it means nationalism and defeating degeneracy

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>>129488499
Nigga I'd fucking take part in it, where do you think you are?

>>129494723
Reagan thought the same thing when he gave amnesty to 3 million illegal beaners and started our road down becoming Mexico 2.0

when will you civcucks realize that its white people that made and support the values you hold so dearly and that when we are all gone none of this liberty meme will exist

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>>129488499
Yes

>>129488559
>>129491407
you are a gutless faggot bitch

that was anon's point. you've had freedom all this time, and the only thing you did with it was polish your guns and shoot paper targets.

>>129488499
far too few details to decide

>>129494723
>I actually don't mind other races as long as they assimilate
It never happens if they are more than 3% of the population they will form enclaves always.That is just how shitskins are the instinct tells them to be tribalistic....maybe we should take note....

Dont tell me what to do

>>129488499
obviously yes, democracy is a sad meme gone too far

>>129494930

Traditionalist
Moralist
Familiar values
Nativist
Collectivist
Fanatic party
Isolationist

And preparing the nation for the coming automation age to serve it's own masses, not profits

>>129494817
>Fag marriage
Federal judges/supreme court
>obscenity laws nurturing
Federal judges
>segregation laws
Federal judges
>travel ban blocks
Federal judges

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>>129494017
also do not forget about this

>>129494481
because it came from people with moral that derived from devine rights monarchies transitioning into the slowly declining secular democracy which abolished slavery and gave women right to vote etc dumb fuck

>>129494085
>britain had mercantilist jews
>britain outlawed slavery decades before the US
>europe granted rights to non-whites and women before the US

m8 you're barking up the wrong tree

>>129491708
>So is plague, famine, genocide, war, etc...
Yes

>>129488647
Poland knows the deal.

This post answers this thread. Carry on

>>129488499
Yes
It's the only thing that matters
Though intrinsically that means this ruler is both one of us and has our interests in mind
Otherwise it's not saving shit

>>129494766
>Bill of Rights applies to non-protestants

OUR Bill of Rights.

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>>129494716
>>129493669
boot lickers are cancer

>>129488499
Fuck yes. Its already time to end with this god dammed bullshit the XIX century liberal cucks got us into.

>>129495194
It's so hard to comprehend how one man could be so aware of everything going on around him, what an extraordinary figure

>>129494723
you won't have any liberty once they're 51%

>>129491708
>race to the bottom
Hmm that sounds familiar

>>129495281

Gotcha, my bad.

>>129493653
>he thinks a classic /pol/ opinion is bait
wew lad

I agree with the kraut

>>129488499
Depends on the state
If it were a culture and ethnicity which were solely in line with my own, fully understanding of social contract, and civil enough to allow some autonomy to its citizens, then I would consider it.

If it's merkel and the authoritarian state of peace, then no.

>>129495313
>snek meme
>doesn't even know Hoppe

like I said, bluepilled as fuck. you are like little baby

actually read some books and come back.

>>129488499
Of course because that's how civilization has functioned for 6000 years
It wasn't until this liberalism (including classical liberalism) nonsense that shit started circling the shitter

>>129495134
retard, the laws were passed through congress first and then the court upheld them, did you not take a basic government class?

>>129488499
No. I'm of mixed race, there's no "my" nation.

>>129495313
>not being an anarcho facist

>>129488724
I don't think that is Poland

>>129495494
>gay marriage passed through congress

"no"

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>>129495122
>collectivist
>serve it's own masses, not profits
this is communism
you're literally talking about communism with vague moralism sprinkled on top

>>129495410
Hoppe lickers are cancer too

physically remove yourself

>>129495565
which was the one thing out of your example that the constitution didn't even need to stretch for, its a fag enabling homo document

>>129488499
Never submit
It is not an option
Live free or you will not be living

>>129495706
real intellectual powerhouse you are.

go collect some more ms paint memes about snakes you mental midget.

>>129495501

There is no Brazilian race, but there is a common culture that defines who is and isn't part of Brazil.

>>129495618
Germany was collectivist and put the continuation of their people and their culture before profit, there was state intervention, but it didn't impede capitalism at all

It's not communism, and it's not anti-capitalist too

>>129495494
Nigger can you even comprehend what I just wrote?
>segregation
Brown v. Board of ed

>obscenity laws
Roth(?) he was a kike btw....

>>129495339
yes he is an extraordianry man but i believe in general people back then were more aware

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>>129488499
No.
>it is better to die on your feet
>than live on your knees
>DEUS VULT!

>>129495254
>we had niggers in chains so fucking based
Freemasons are jewish servants, they destroyed America France and Poland in the same century. And your country was build by them. How can you defend that?

>>129495618
Economics is secondary to nativist preservation, I guess thats the point

>>129488499
No choice at this point, if that was what was being offered I'd take it sadly. The kikes have won.

>>129495730
Marriage shouldn't be in control of the govt whatsoever

>>129495869
Yea....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXKeiTTN7Wc

>>129494843
there are a lot of libertarians on /pol/ mate

>>129495838
> but there is a common culture that defines who is and isn't part of Brazil
That's different for Russia. Every nation inside has it's own culture, and I therefore belong to no of them.

>>129488951
Those who control the media have the true power in a "democracy".

>>129495875
If freedom = the death of the white race, you still take it?

>>129488499
I certainly would

>>129495932

Correct answer. Why people feel the need for these clowns to have any form of control over voluntary relationships is beyond me.

>>129496155
Exactly, Without their meddling we could just kill all the faggots.

>>129492225
WOW

I've known that saying for a while, but applying it to the Nolan chart is God-tier.

Thank you and saved.

>>129491911
>There is a differance beetween oligarchy and democracy in todays society

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>“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’
> ‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

>>129495999
im going to keep this for when another idiot goes on about jews and christianity

>>129488499

All government is inherently authoritarian, you fuckin' idiot.

>>129496270
That took a wrong turn quickly...
Why would you ever feel the need to kill another individual if it was not in self defence?

>>129495886
You ain't preserving shit if you can't feed yourself and afford proper military equipment.
Rejecting economics is rejecting your survival

>>129488499
Maybe for a short period of time. Sometimes, you need a strong individual to unfuck your shit. I think it happened to Turkey. I'm also happy with the idea of one individual that inherits a position with the idea of valuing a set of rules and laws, and providing the means for you and citizens to protect said values without also inherently valuating said values.

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>>129496371
Nice!
Coughlin was woke af senpai

>>129489386
Compared to modern times for 99 percent of the population the colonial/revolutionary era was a literal hellscape not in a hyperbolic way like modern times

>>129488499
Democracy in large societies doesn't work.

>>129496386
So that you don't end up with this
>https://youtu.be/r7T6qU16fT4

I don't like it either, but sometimes an iron fist is required when a poisonous idea takes hold.

>>129495875
posts a knight, bearing english insignia, and crosses, writes Deus Vult, is for SECULAR democracy as opposed to divine right monarchy.

>>129489386
They would have rebelled, but their endgame is true self-determination. Not the poopdick "freedom" the (((media))) sells to people nowadays.

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>>129488499
I'm mixed race so I don't really identify with any people or nation. However I do see the immense benefit white people have had on the world and I do believe civilization will be fucked for centuries if white people fade into obscurity.

So I guess when it comes down to it, to avoid a centuries (possibly millennia) long dark age, I would much rather see white people flourish.

However, my priority is self preservation, so I would no ally myself with people who see me as less than human.

>>129494017
Good thing The United States is a R E P U B L I C.

>>129496787
*was
>implying we are not either a plutocracy or an aristocracy of (((favoritism)))

>>129496612
I really was gonna come up with an argument, because i firmly believe in non-aggresion. But 30 secons of that had me wanting to kill everything inside range
I see your point, i just dont think violence is the answer

>>129488647
This is why Poland is so based

>>129488559
And why America is 50% non-white

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>>129496721
"divine right monarchy" is not a Biblical thing, it's just something we made up so that people wouldn't fight against the King.

>>129496777

There's a difference between segregating and believing people of other races are less than human.

>>129496496
i knew about him or watched a Lincoln Rockwell video and saw it there because it seems familiar but yes he is

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>>129496612
>Canada

We should have stuck with the UK
Allowing women to vote was a mistake
Equality and diversity are not strengths

Fuck nu-canada

I kept thinking of the modern liberties that would be lost today:

Free internet,
Videogames,
Porn,
Subversive entertainment,
Subversive media,
Subversive ideologies,
Subversive opinions,
Science that contradicted state ideology...

But those shit are already suppressed/policed/monitored in our free democracies

What does that mean?

>>129488499
So this is an interesting question. My initial answer is yes but I would hope that after the danger has past the nation would then become a democratic republic again. The real reason the US went to shit is because we allowed jews into the country and gave Latinos and Negros citizenship. The government of the united states also fundamentally changed after the civil war when states rights were stripped from them.(Don't believe me? Think of all the things states have lost the ability to decide since the civil war *cough cough abortion cough cough marijuana cough cough segregation* The civil war fundamentally turned the US from a republic of states into an easily corrupted federal republic. This allowed the jews to strip the American people of their rights as their states had little to no ability to defend said rights let alone succeed from the union. Since the civil war the rights of free speech(cyber bullying and or slander), right to bear arms (gun free zones), meet your accuser in court (traffic cameras "terrorist" cases", not have excessive fines placed ( suing for millions of dollars), and right to be save in our possessions ("patriot" act) have al been taken away to one extent or another. The Constitution of the United States also gave the exclusive right to print money to the federal government in article one section 8. This makes the jewish run federal reserve fundamentally illegal of course non of this has come to light YET due to the jewish run mainstream media. So in conclusion while a Authoritarian state may be the only way to save our race and nation NOW it wasn't always that way and after we have fought we ought to once again make ourselves into a republic of states. To end this I while post a prophetic quote by the late great Benjamin franklin " If the Jews are not excluded within two hundred years, our children will be working in the field to feed Jews while they remain in the counting houses, gleefully rubbing their hands."

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>>129488499
No.
There is no salvation in submission.

>>129496940
>And why America is 50% non-white
thanks Argentina
really rustled my almonds

>>129488499
No, because the cost would literally be the society I'd want to save.

>>129497095

It's more like servitude and joining the collective national struggle

>>129496880
Yup, when I was younger I used to think beating gays and kicking them out of the house etc. was disgusting and terrible. I was even pro gay marriage.

As an adult, after seeing what they do when they are given license to act freely, it has changed my perception entirely. I see now why those things must be done.

>>129495932
the court didn't force the states to do that, it just said if theyre going to they have to give it to faggots too, because the constitution is a faggot enabling document

>>129497180
Why would i suffer with people i have no relation to other than a larger geographical area of birth?

Europeans need new monarchs, new dynastic bloodlines

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>>129492454
Is there any nation you kikes don't run for your own interests?

>>129497053
You're still behind us, our nonwhite births are already neck-and-neck with white births. In the next decade, when boomers die off en masse, our population % will plummet proportionately.

>>129496964
I don't believe in segregation either. Either let us live as your equals or kill us.

>>129496951
>1 Peter 2:17 Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

>Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

>Proverbs 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

>Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

>>129497299
With the way nationalism is rising in Europe you may get your wish yet.

>>129497095
>posts the stereotypical Canadian lumberjack even though we've bamboozled ourselves to the point that such quirky, anachronistic Canadian imagery will be a thing of the past

We already submit to a state that doesn't serve us. Democracy is a fucking joke and you know it.

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>>129497290
you wont, and neither will most of these larpers when the time comes
if you aren't serving you're country now you're not going to be serving it when it's 10x harder to do so

>>129497402
Unless of course having big families becomes a "fad" with millennials which could very well happen as society swings back towards the right.

>>129488499
I live in America, we don't have any "people", I don't even know my neighbors' names, they actively try to avoid acknowledging my existence and I do the same thing, no one I've met gives a shit about me except for a handful of friends

>>129497444
W I T N E S S E D

People willing to trade their freedom for security deserve neither and will lose both.

>>129497582
I owe no allegiance to my country.
I owe to myself, my family and my friends.
I see no point in serving the politicians, because that is what you do when you serve your "nation".
Maybe it wasn't always like that, but it is today

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>>129488647

This is obviously the ONLY acceptable answer. An authoritarian WHITE ONLY governing system is absolutely necessary for the continued development of our peoples and our way of life.

Leftists/Non-whites can suck a fatty. They've been taking advantage of our good will and generosity for too long now.

>>129497863
But family is what nation really means.

>>129497290
Because they share similar IQ personality and culture, because your ancestors bled in the mud together for their children and grand children, because your fellow white Christians are the only ones in the world who give half a fuck about you, because your people our your extended family and deserve the same loyalty and protection you give to your mother father brothers and sisters.

>>129497797
There's no freedom in death of your nation or culture, dumbass. Platitudes are nothing but words without action

>>129488559

Kys. Seriously, that's exactly what you do if you put individuality over the survival of your own people.

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>>129497095
good cuck, you're already submiting to the democratic state

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I would. Mainly because I've dreamed about seeing this country united for once.

>>129497615
Won't happen. Women are "liberated", Men are manchildren. All of them don't want children. Children interfere with pursuits of pleasure, and that's all we fucking care about.

Go find any video regarding western childbirth that puts child birth in a positive light (or antinatalist bullshit in a negative one) and read the comments. You will see why we are dying.

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>>129488559
You had one fucking job. The point os to submit to kill of all your enemies than the utopian white society would be free to do anything among the stars. You dumb faggot.

>>129497986
>An authoritarian WHITE ONLY governing system is absolutely necessary for the continued development of our peoples and our way of life.
Fucking hell, calm down mr 40%

>>129497863
Your nation and your government our to different things. Your nation is your people, your people is your race. Your father your mother your brothers and sisters that is your people. It may be in the best interest of your people and thusly your nation to appose your government if that's the case, rebel.

>>129497863
And here is why Europe was lost.

>>129495875
>quoting mexican intellectuals

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>>129488499
Absolutely.

Depends on the particulars of the authoritarian state, but probably. The Tories are the worst of both worlds though, authoritarian and they don't protect our people/nation - they're on board with the demographic replacement of Britons, and their security measures are just power grabs to silence dissent.

>>129498000
then it should live up to that meaning

>>129497863

Human psyche is organized in such a way that we derive our sense of purpose, happiness, worth and individual identity always in relation to the group we belong to.

Race, religion ,culture, language, geographical borders, history... Those define pretty much where do we belong, by birthright. As an individual, I understand I can negate all of those, and live by myself and for myself, still, what it is one to do with his mental configuration, armed to serve, live and protect his community?

Not only we are denied our identity, but we are being forcingly alienated for the creation of a new order where we don't belong on it

>>129488499
No, idiot. What makes the survival and dominance of my people absolutely essential is that our submission is only to God, from which comes our perfect, inalienable liberty.

>>129498523
[Insert picture of last white kid in America surrounded by nogs with caption "At-least I still have my constitution!"]

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>>129488647
Poor Monaco, mistaken for Poland. hehehe

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>>129498252
>Seriously, that's exactly what you do if you put individuality over the survival of your own people.

Lol, my bad Anon. I get a little riled up sometimes when I see Anons who seriously answer individuality > the survival of our peoples. It's like it still hasn't quite "clicked" yet after all these years.

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>>129498261
Thanks America, but compared to you we're doing fine.

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>>129498577
didn't we fight a revolution over this?

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>>129498523

>>129498577
Bend over for the Islamic cock and then kys, cucked limey faggot.

>>129498205
Nationalism is on the rise feminism is on the way out, In the 1980s 40 percent of British women were feminists in 2016 a mere 8 percent did. 5 years ago no one would have thought Brexit, Trumps victory or the rise of Christian Russia would have happened and yet they have. The west is waking up and you have a choice, be part of it, or sit in your room wallowing in depression and closet nihilism while the hero's tomorrow retake this world for our people. Will you be a hero, or a cuck?

>>129498702
Because you have guns, and thus the illusion that you are still free. Look at the proles in 1984, kept comfortable with pornography, alcohol and football so that they never revolt. That's you.

>>129488499
I would if the person was competent and cared about the growth and prosperity of the nation and its people.

>>129488972
>>129489000
Liberty is long gone retards.

You're choosing to be cucked out of existence, so you're choosing death.

>>129488499
Could someone x-ray that sexy saint's armor?

>>129488499
Not if they started infringing on my rights to play video games and drink whenever I want. A lot of you denounce degeneracy but love anime, hentai and vidya

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>>129498702
>M-muh freedom

>>129498252
58 percent last is checked also FUCK YOU

>>129498674
Yeah, how's that Muslim mayor working out? America isn't in a great position by any means, but outside of the major cities, there's a wide open land filled with patriotic traditionalists. Europe nationalist movements have been BTFO.

>>129498983
this

>>129498961
Do not sexualize Joan. She was a pure virgin.

>>129498888
The only proper response

>>129498674
American "White" should say "White and Arab".

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>>129488499
Any American poster who says yes to this post should be tried for treason. Suffer not the demagogue, king, and dictator to rule.

>>129493304
Great, you just won "SJW king you can't stop".

>>129498888
>>129499117
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2012/04/26/i%E2%80%99m-a-white-republican-raising-a-black-child-deal-with-it/

>>129499016
The other day I saw a mongrelized family of a fat white mom with a gaggle of different colored kids ranging from pure white with blonde hair and blue eyes to a dark shaded curly haired mulatto and even one that looked hispanic.

>>129499199
>implying you aren't doing that right now when your government is electing a new people
From over here, it looks like you're suffering all those things already.

>>129499199
Says the simpsons fan a.k.a. redditor.

>>129498674
Good, now kick out the pakis before they breed and ill come back to the empire.

>>129488816
>>129496940
>And why America is 50% non-white
>t. 50% white nation

Its 50% white because a group of elite zionist drug obsessed pedophiles gematria ritualists have owned the US since it was incorporated in 1868. we died after the civil war. for the first time on the planet a nation had sovereign people, and it lasted about 70 years before it died to banks. if you really think a country is made up of its people and not the gematria occultists, you are mentally ill human garbage that has no grip on reality. you are hundreds, if not thousands of years into a literal fake reality scripted by numbers.

What are your freedom when you can't say anything without being called a bigot, getting fired, losing your childs guard, accepting that your underage son will have to transition, that you must bake the gay cake on force...

How does that work like?

>>129499050
>but outside of the major cities, there's a wide open land filled with patriotic traditionalists
Of course, how could I forget that this was exclusive to America and that European countries are just giant masses of urban landscape with no countryside whatsoever.
>hows that Muslim mayor working out?
Substantially better than the 39 mayors of your 100 major cities, who are african american and pro-BLM. I might as well include your former black president who pushed your country to the brink of a race war, with the police on the run and riots in just about every major city. I'd say one Muslim mayor is a little better than all of that.

>>129498484
So you think increased nationalism is one of the best answers to this new order?

>>129498674
Also, interestingly enough, only Birmingham out of those 5 voted Leave.