Anyone else can't decide whether they're natsoc or

If you think you can pick an ideology like it's nothing you're a pathetic cuckold.

If you lived in my part of the US you would understand why libertarianism is a victim of its own success and why the traditional right is letting itself get stepped on by illegals flooding the border.

Sometimes you need an authoritarian ruler to reduce the inefficiencies of the state.

>>129468891

A country that can't enforce it's own border isn't a country at all.

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I'm a national capitalist, thanks.

>>129469454
Hence the reason the great American Empire will be the hardest coke binge with the fastest crash in imperial history.

We're basically on life support.

>>129469538

What takes precedence, capital or nationalism?

If the dollar is above all else, the chinks are coming for us.

>>129469538
>>129469990
>the chinks are coming for us.

>Canada and Australia

They're already there.

>>129470170

Thanks for stating the obvious captain sweden.

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>>129468616
The classic dilemma.

>>129468891
What do you mean? As in libertarianism makes you ignorant to the problems that motivate the ideology in the first place?

>>129469990
>What takes precedence, capital or nationalism?
Nationalism, but neither has to take precedence over the other. Both can exist side by side.

You aren't a National Socialist. There, I solved it for you.

A National Socialist would have no desire for a libertarian society, they despise capitalism as much as they despise communism. All forms of fascism are inherently fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-communist, and if anything, they are more communistic than capitalistic.

Capitalists view economic freedom as the top priority, their top priority is economic, they are materialists.
Communists view economic equality as the top priority, their top priority is economics, they are materialists.

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>>129470598
Libertarians typically advocate open borders, particularly as a party platform. That's my biggest issue with the party

>>129470784
Also
>I want a pure society, no non-whites, degeneracy is disgusting.
So you don't even know what National Socialism is, you're just a modern MUH DEGENERACY identity politician. Race is a minor part of National Socialism compared to its views on the system of government and the system of economy. If you care more about the racial aspect than the philosophical foundations or the systems of government and economics, then you aren't a National Socialist, you just want that label so you can feel cool about yourself.

>>129468616
taxation wont feel like theft when it goes to your brothers who need it.

>>129469327
Well certainly it streamlines the decision making/execution process of tasks laid to government.

The trick is finding somebody who does everything to that high of a degree.

Should they be a charismatic individual who is well-informed by ministers? Or a polyglot with multiple degrees and doctorates on a variety of subjects?

How does such a model benefit the upper class? The middle class? The impoverished? I mean, I'm all for there *being* an upper class, but to give them the autonomy to take advantage of the others is not something to lightly allow.

>>129468616
>On one hand I'm a fashy goy, I want a pure society, no non-whites, degeneracy is disgusting.

Then you're a NatSoc.

Believe it or not, ethnic cleansing is a violation of the NAP

>>129470968
so much projection wow

>>129468616
I honestly wouldn't mind paying tax into a system that only benefits me and members of my own race.

>>129468616
Yes, I think the same thing. I want America to be the way it was two hundred years ago, truly libertarian the way Ron Paul describes (my inspiration). But I don't know how the change could realistically be engineered, maybe a fascist overthrow is necessary in order to wrestle banking, media, and political power away from Jews.

>>129470598
Yes to me this the point. There will be still poor people in a libertarian society and people try to fix that by getting rid of what made us rich in the first place.
This problem can be found in all ideologies. In the 1960´s we were all like " Don´t be mean. Please tolerate different bahavior" and it is now that we realise that discriminating against others is quite often a good thing. I mean how are people who are not accustom to the culture of a certain country supposed to know how they are doing something wrong.

People forget what made them successful.

>>129470805


me too.

used to actually subscribe to Reason... but one too many lectures by their resident Indian immigrant globalist about how borders are bad.

they reduce humans to economic brings without culture or ethnic heritage and have no practical answers for the fact a tiny cabal owns crazy amounts of wealth which they use to buy politicians etc.


I think labels do more harm than good


I want Whites to stay a majority in White countries for various reasons.

I still consider myself libertarian, but also a 'soft nationalist.'

America First, baby. That means practical economics and that means no more neocon wars for gas transit routes, banks, mic, and Israel


Gary Johnson's absurd pro illegal rant made me not vote at all

Trump is in there to give Kushner and BiBi their war on Iran, poltards.....

You'll see.

>>129470598
Libertarians do whatevers best for them economically short term.

They aren't planning for the long game. It's just like socialism. It's an inherently white ideology that could only work in a small white population and has to assume a foreign force (whether rapidly through war or slowly through immigration) doesn't pose any threat to work.

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>>129468616
In peacetime we should be Libertarian. However when we are met with an adversary that wishes to bring war upon us, we must become a nationally socialistic society to give absolute full support to the blitzkreig and put a priority on ending the war asap. When peace is again reached we would return to a libertarian society and the welfare state would be transferred to the churches and the communities they serve.

This is something I wish to see in my lifetime.

>>129469724
Hey at least you fought wars that enriched a lot of Jews and helped them achieve dominance.

>>129468616
I never really understood the appeal of libertarianism as a formal ideology, rather than a knee-jerk reaction to circumstances.

Like, I can get why someone in rural idaho doesn't see the federal government of local law enforcement as terribly useful. But the people that worship the evaluation of the market, always seemed myopic. Like, the state is fundamentally much better at excepting loses and investing in long term projects, than the market.

>>129468616
Read Hoppe

>>129472271
Yeah I know isn't it great.

And we got to kill a lot of our fellow europeans while we were at it.

>>129468616
Freedom of association is a libertarian value, no matter what Aleppo man says. An ancap community would be able to forbid the entrance of niggers or homosexuals with no legal consequences.

>>129472482
can I get a quick rundown of basic beliefs?

>>129474240
Not from me
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe

>>129471145
wow a thoughtful response on pol

>Nazism and libertarianism are somehow similar
Only on /pol/.

>>129470805
Libertarians also typically shoot anybody trespassing on their property so take it as you will

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>>129475759

>>129476187
No, libertarianism and Nazism are totally different and incompatible. You either don't understand them or you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

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>>129470805
The Libertarian party is garbage, no Libertarians want anything to do with that controlled opposition.

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>>129476432
>cognitive dissonance

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>>129468616
Just be an edgy Libertarian.
Minorities vote for bigger government, so the way to smash the state is 1488.

It's a win win.

>>129468616
Why not a bit of both?

Enforce your borders, create a sturdy system, and foster national spirit through natsoc policies.
Guarantee liberty independence, and the freedom to do what you want to do through libertarian policies.

>>129476649
How about this fashy goy?

https://youtu.be/qIIDUh3fgMk

>>129476930
Augustus is a cool guy, he just didn't know they were fags when he was involved.

Am I the only left libertarian here?

>>129477085
Disgusting.

No, I have never been interested in Libertarianism and I think it is distracting people from National Socialism.

>>129477085
the what?

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>>129468616

Personally I agree with a lot of libertarian talking points, especially as someone who lives in an Orwellian shitshow where our huge taxes go to useless wasters and frivolous pursuits. However, I do not consider myself libertarian for two main reasons.

First off, Libertarians talk of open borders all the time, as well as the freedom to do and be whatever you want. This already enables globalist pursuits as well as degeneracy, and does not work to cultivate any kind of unity or identity. It threatens to destroy it more than anything.

Second of all, there's the economic aspect. Marxism is cancer, but even Hitler had a bone to pick with capitalism and we all know how much he liked state-sponsored programmes of all kinds, and that it did benefit Germany. Good businesses inevitably expand, and this gives way for monopolies or otherwise a disproportionate amount of power afforded to those who aren't even in the government. It's perfect for well-financed foreign interests/Jewry.

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>>129476649
The entire west US is very libertarian. There are good libertarians who aren't like Gary fucking Johnson you fag.

>>129477085
dude contradicting ideologies lmao

Natsoc is god tier civilization . blacks , Asians, latinos every race is basically a natsoc wanting best for their own race. Its so obvious. Jews want us to all mix so there arguments against natsoc and being independent from monetary slavery seems legit. Whites just like all other races want a safe haven to propel our ideas not black and spanish and muslim ideas. Trust me we are not the same but forced to live together we seem to like the same things . thats a lie. Natsoc is the destiny of earth we must fight and if needed die for it

>>129468616
I'd be a libertarian if America was white

theres no "less government"ing your way out of our current mess

Taxation is not theft. Being taxed to much, and politicians and their contractor friends pilfering road funds is theft

>>129472375
>Like, the state is fundamentally much better at excepting loses and investing in long term projects, than the market.
I don't think there are broofs of this. The only thing you can say for sure is that the modern state has crowded the market out of long term infrastructure projects, so we don't really know if it's better or worse than the state

>>129477414
I know that, but the party is without a doubt trash.

Libertarianism is a regular hat. NatSoc is a helmet.

You wear a helmet to protect yourself when it isn't safe to do otherwise. Once that's done, you take it off and wear your hat again.

>>129468616
Fascism is what we need to cleanse our countries. Lolbertarians will always get overrun by collectivist hordes, thus exterminating the only race who would ever even dream of a small-government utopia.

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>>129468616
Once we rid the world of jewry, nonwhites, womens suffrage and homos we will have freedom. Until then 14/88

>>129471145
I'd vote for the former every time. Technocracy is the most logical possible system of rule.

>>129477384
>It's perfect for well-financed foreign interests/Jewry.
National Libertarianism might be a better system than National Socialism economically. If you inculcate strong nationalism and then give that nation broad economic freedom you're probably going to maximize the nation's potential while minimizing (((international))) influence.

>>129468616
If you achieve an all white society then taxes only go toward bettering the lives of your fellow whites

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>>129479532

Sure, but if you retain a strong authority to pick and choose a few laws, regulations, and directives to fuck over certain (((groups))) both within and without, is it still libertarianism?

>>129469538
Actually fucking this.
National Capitalism/State Capitalism is only economic system which actually is proven to be fair and actually fucking work.

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>>129468616
Natsoc is a thing of the past. It cannot function in nowadays' society. It can only work in a high-trust, ethnically homogenous and highly disciplined society like early 20th century Germany. Considering what a total clusterfuck the entire West has become, only some sort of autocratic libertarian aristocracy can really work.

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>>129468616
>NatSoc
>Libertarian
Both are bluepilled. Take the NazBol/Stalinism redpill!

>>129468721
FPBP

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Nah nigga im full fash

It's just that you realised that freedom is something the aryan man wants and should strive for, but at the same time freedom has a cost: you can't have a libertarian society if it's low trust and full of people who want to destroy it. Fascism is basically a temporary tool to preserve liberty in hard times, just like total war was in the age of Napoleon.

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>>129468616
I stand similarly dude
I want NatSoc, but I understand it's fucking difficult as shit to achieve in nowadays society, so I stick with Libertarianism.

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>>129468616
How should we arrange the deck chairs?

>>129468616
I'm a Patriot and Capitalist

>>129468616
I don't know what I am. I'm for common sense in most things, and don't care about the rest. That, of course, makes me some kind of a racist rightist extremist.

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>>129468616
>current year
>not being a stasserist

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>>129468616
Nat Socs are low energy sheep that want Uncle Adolf to take care of them.

Live like a lion anon. Don't be a sheep.

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>>129468616
You're just a fucking idiot LARPing on an online message-board. I doubt you take anything in your life seriously, least of all your political position.

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>>129482082
>Unironically thinks being a mass murderer is red-pilled

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>>129483253
Daily Reminder.

>>129470968
>>129470784

>Democrats are the real raycis

kys asap niggerlover cuckservative

>>129468616
National libertarian seems to be the most succesful thing ever. Basically America pre-1965. When nationalism was ethnic nationalism but you didn't need to express that. The love for your nation is the love for your people. And that was america.

>>129468616

I recommend that you investigate into other ideas as well.

>>129480945
what is "fair" about Chinese officials being filthy rich thanks to "state capitalism" while their country is really just another commie shithole?

>>129485003

Yeah but libertarianism wont get you there.

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Who /libertarianethnonationalistdictatorship/ here?
Imagine a mix of Hitler and Ron Paul(or a better but non-cucked libertarian)
Shit would be figuratively and literally cash