/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL This thread is for Discuss

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First for Communism

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>>129366462
How's it going folks? How are you planning securing your freedom?

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Wrong image

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>>129366585

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We're are my niggers at?

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>>129366796
Flag and pic related

>>129369395
Lol, sorry to hear mate, come to the states if they don't build a wall to keep you in before you're ready to cut loose.

>>129369745
I've always wanted to move to the states desu but as I always say, easier said than done, and I won't be in a position to do so for a while.

Do you guy ever get tiered of politics because liberals no nothing about economics and conservatives want to control your social live?
I try really hard to teach the people around me about libertarianism but progress is slow because they like to deny facts.

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gas yourselves retards

>>129373427
socialists please go

So, should small villages have their own currencies?

>>129373427
You guys are only slightly less worse than the communists.

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>>129374399
individualism is gay homo degenerate, if you seek yourself as a goal you are just masturbating. Get some higher values.

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>>129374346
They already do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

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>>129373427
That's McGas™ to you, bootlicker

>>129374346
If they choose to, yes. Currently you are in big trouble if you make up a new currency because that means the government cant tax you. And boy they get angry if they cant steal as they used to.

If taxes become to high people start to barter. It isn´t a very efficient way of trading but the only way to not get jailed.

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>>129366462
bump

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>>129374709
I wonder when you guys will realize that libertarianism is a passive slave ideology and nationalism is the true way towards liberation. Maybe never.

>>129374559
>I want the liberty to grow rich and you can have the liberty to starve
Well, yes, exactly. I also have the liberty to starve, and you also have the liberty to starve.
Any other way, and you have the liberty to freeload while I have no liberty at all - I'm your slave.

>>129374663
You have to set yourself up first before doing anything for others, manchildren.

>>129375070
Of course it's passive, the strong survive, the weak die. Simple. NatSocs, on the other hand, support vagrants in the name of socialism.

>>129375070
>implying libertarians can't be ethnic nationalists

who /heroin/ here lol?

>>129366462
I love capitalism
Germany exports good shit in Lidl from all over the Europe, so I can feed myself and not puke like from the local Babiš stores

>>129375070
>Libertarianism is a passive slave ideolgy
>slave ideology
Says the Sven who literally wants to live in a society where his life, actions and property are not is own, but can be commanded by whatever faggot Fuehrer declares himself the 'voice of the Volk'.
As for passive, well, you know how reasonable, measured and proportionate is the response we AnCaps have to NAP violations. Good luck forming your militaristic socialist shithole state when as soon as you try to tax someone to pay for your ebic Panzer tank fleet, a dozen private militaries, vigilante corps and McPolice companies swoop in and vie for the privilege (and profit) of liberating whoever you tried to enslave from you with extreme prejudice.

>>129374559
This is to me the biggest misconception about libertarianism. Very many people think that if there is no welfarestate you will just die if you are poor or diabled.
If we look back at a time before the welfarestate developed we can see that poor people didn´t just starve to death.

But why?

People help eachother, not because they are selfless but because they are selfish. It fills you with great joy to bring someone elses life back on track and it gives you peace of conscience if you provide for the poor.

The welfarestate takes away your responsebility to provide for someone else but also said joy.

>>129375210
>You have to set yourself up first before doing anything for others.

I don't disagree with this, it initially has nothing to do with "doing things for others", it's a technical thing. The problem is that anclaps et al. think they are sovereign individuals when really they are functions of their ethnic context. Man is a social machine, his values are cultural. Ignoring this is what leads to degenerate behaviours in society.

>>129375070
>t. swedish intellecutal

>>129375433
>the strong survive, the weak die

Why do libertarians insist on slave morality like non-aggression then?

>>129372597
Only the lefties bother me because they knowingly want a bigger state. Conservatives don't bother me because I agree with them on econ. They can't crush my freedom, they're too cucked. They let Commies teach their kids that being a tranny is ok, so they're not gonna stop me from smoking weed.

>>129376069
Peace is more cheaper than war

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>>129375834
>The problem is that anclaps et al. think they are sovereign individuals when really they are functions of their ethnic context. Man is a social machine, his values are cultural. Ignoring this is what leads to degenerate behaviours in society.
You fucking idiot. If man is a social machine and his values are cultural, would he not participate in social and cultural events in a voluntary society? If he is inclined to do so, and if he can do so, then he will do so. So why the fuck would you need a state to force people to socialize and participate in cultural events?

>>129375951
Ancaps are fruitcakes. Just look at the shit they post.

>>129375834
>Man is a social machine, his values are cultural.
There is some truth in this. But would you rather your society be based on
>We all agree, our values are the best. So we'll all get along, and anyone who doesn't share these values - well, we don't have to deal with him.
or
>OUR VALUES ARE THE BEST AND THE MOST REASONABLE AND THEY'RE SO GOOD THAT ANYONE WHO EXPRESSES DISSENT OR DOESN'T CONFORM WILL BE SHOT

>>129375070
ancaps understand nationalism from diferent categories than filthy statist, which can't think outside of their religion

When are you guys going to start linking Curt Doolittle in the OP?
He really needs to finish his damn book.

>>129375834
Yeah well your states culture is to promote shitskins breeding your women. I don't want any of that. I'll decide what's best for my kin. You think you're fighting the ZOG, in reality you're just shilling to give them more control over your fate, and it ends with your extinction.

>>129376281
>peace is cheaper than war

It's sometimes cheaper than war, sometimes it's more expensive. Why make it about morality? It's economic. War occurs when the value of war exceeds the value of peace.

>>129376293
You think I haven't heard this?
The state is a human organization, completely analogue to a corporation. ALL organizations get corrupted by jews, parasites and fags because there is no higher cultural cohesion like ethnicity, history, blood. You're just a dumb word-thinker.

>>129375070
I am a nationalist, a REAL one and not a phony nation-state loving cuck like yourself.

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>>129376901
Values are created culturally.

>>129366462
Which kike libertarian is the best to learn from? Peter Shiff, Rothbard, Rand, Von misus, Freidman?

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>>129377193
Rothbard and Mises are approved people here. Exercise caution with the other two.

>>129376918
You want an easy way out. You want a ""nation"" just not YOUR nation. You don't pick your ethnicity. You are not a unique cosmic snowflake sent into the universe to find you soulmates. It's about YOUR blood, soil, genes, friends, coworkers, barbers, lawyers.. that's how it has to start.

>>129376986
>Values are created culturally.
YES you mong, on the whole this is true.
Why that should mean I have to pay 90% of my income to the government, not be able to run a business as I see fit, have to sacrifice my life in unnecessary aggressive wars, and hail the fucking Fuehrer, is beyond me.

>>129377193
Hoppe and Rothbard for economics, Rand for individualist ethics.

>>129377193
Rothbard and Mises are the best of the 5 you listed. Just ignore the other 3; they're not important.

>>129377332
The government is corrupt because of lack of nationalism. The very same thing that would corrupt alternative forms of economic organization.

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How are my liberty lovers doing today?

>>129376901
Libertarians aren't opposed to war, they're opposed to starting it
>sometimes cheaper than war
Give me a situation (historical) where it's more expensive to maintain peace. inb4 Huns

>>129377315
it just got real

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>>129377903
Neck yourself Sven.

>>129377193

You'll want to ignore Friedman and the other statists. Their views account for the irrationality of the real world too much. The goal is to win internet arguments within a purely theoretical framework, afterall.

>>129377598
How exactly do you corrupt a society where there are
>no permanent institutions
>no means by which to censor or control speech
>no centralized education system
>no distribution system for propaganda
>people will Tomahawk you for trespassing on their lawns
I'd like to see you try. The ONLY way you could change the basic culture and ideas of a truly free society is by intellectual argument, by spreading ideas that are superior to the ones that already exist. And if your ideas are superior, then they damn well ought to spread.

>>129377881
>Give me a situation (historical) where it's more expensive to maintain peace. inb4 Huns

This is dumb, why do you think wars start? Out of stupidity? People that don't prepare to defend themselves should be punished, and they are!

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>>129377315
Yes I know. you must be mistaking me for some blue haired faggot. Real nationalism is a natural phenomena, it has nothing to do with fascism or forced collectivism. I don’t pick my ethnicity just as faggots like you don’t pick my nation. Get it through your fucking head or get lost, socialist scum.

>>129378146
>no permanent institutions
>no means by which to censor or control speech
>no centralized education system
>no distribution system for propaganda
>people will Tomahawk you for trespassing on their lawns

I don't accept that this is what follows from ancap suggestions. If massive consolidation of power into a small number of institutions could occurr in the first place, what's to keep it from happening in ancaptown?

>>129366462
>Left-Libertarians, and other Shit-Libs need to fuck off.

u skur'd, bitch? Keep pandering to assholes willing to bulldoze you into mass graves.

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>>129378362
What are you even saying?

>>129378163
Wars start because someone wants to change the status quo. Hitler wanted more land, so he started a war with Poland. Would you rationalize that as Germany defending itself?

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>>129378577
what did he mean by this

>>129378646
>Would you rationalize that as Germany defending itself?

No, next question.

>>129378754
It seems we don't disagree then.

>>129378639
Something a Swedish intellectual like you is to smart too understand

>>129378163

Preparing to defend yourself is the point of libertarianism. Defensive force is perfectly acceptable. The NAP also refers to the threat of aggression. That means if you merely threaten me, it's ok to retaliate.

>>129378529
In a word: Freedom. All the biggest, baddest institutions, organizations and monopolies, from the NKVD to the Federal Reserve, have always depended for their survival on coercion, expropriation, taxation, slavery - the opposite of freedom. Without the ability to make people pay you or obey your orders at gunpoint, nobody could build any organization or hierarchy bigger than people allowed it to be. We see this in economics, when the free market leads to many competing firms while a controlled 'mixed economy' leads to one or two giants being able to dominate everyone else for decades at a time.

>>129378362
>Real nationalism is a natural phenomena
Nation states weren't firmly established till like the 16th century... the fact that humans are tribal prevented nations from emerging for a long time since people can't be bothered to care for strangers farther away than their village

>>129378869
Yes, aggression is often legitimate.

>>129379062
When is aggression legitimate? What circumstances (besides preemptive self defence) justify it?

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>>129378639
you're a totalitarian scumbag that wants to force a national identity among people who have nothing to do with each other. You're the same as the people forcing multiculturalism and civic "nationalism"

Your country is being raped. why don't you take care of your own people instead of trying to "awake" us to allying with people who have no real genetic connection to us.

>>129378577
>>>/leftypol/
Fuck off, you make yourself too obvious
Back in the Golden Era, us NatSocs and Libertarians were united against the international jew.

>>129379062

the initiation of aggression is what is banned. That means only voluntary relations are allowed. If people are voluntary and someone comes along and threatens to steal your shit or kill you, you have the right to fuck his shit up, period.

>>129378719
he ment that he resents us for not tolerating tranny acceptance.

>>129379062
You've changed the point to be agreed upon. Aggression is always an illegitimate response that deserves to be met with an opposite defensive reaction.

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>>129378946
>In a word: Freedom.

Literal retard. You're gonna look dumb saying that when you get lynched by people that understand the true meaning of economics and the meaningless of big words.

>>129379225
>Back in the Golden Era, us NatSocs and Libertarians were united against the international jew.

libertarians are leftist and nothing has stopped when it comes to the international banking system. You're just too jaded by your brainwashing to see past it. left-libertarianism is "right"-libertarianism's final form.

>>129379003
Nation-states aren't nations.

>>129379407
get out now. i literally can't even. I'm shaking.

>>129374663
>Stop worrying about yourself and worry about the things I find important instead.

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>>129379407
wtf i hate ancap now

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>>129379407
DELET

>>129379693
I miss libertardian threads, they're so cozy.
Anything not to have yet another Drumpf General.

>>129379199
You are preaching rootlessness. Ethnic identity is all what you are, it is the source of the vapid preferences that you would base "alliances" on.

>>129379390
Improper defenses are an illegitimate response that deserves to be met with an aggressive reaction.

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>>129379407
reeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>129379430
So, thugs who go around lynching people are the ones who truly understand the world? While I, with my 'big words', am powerless?
Tell that to any bunch of savages that's ever tried to go head to head with a free, rational, technological society. My family was among the original colonists of Rhodesia. We have quite a history of that sort of conflict.

>>129379988
How does meek defense justify an aggressive reaction?

>>129379988
>Ethnic identity is all what you are
I am what I decide I am, cunt. If I want to be a collectivist, then I will be a collectivist. If I want to be an independent individual, then I will be an independent individual. Stop preaching your totalitarian garbage and get the fuck out -- you're never going to convince any of us to adopt to your philosophy of slavery, and I couldn't care less about living next to a white if it meant giving up my freedoms, shithead

>>129380056
>free, rational, technological society.

That entire society is built by people that understand realpolitik. It's shaped by Clausewitz, Bismarck, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu.. infinitely more than it is shaped by impotent ideologues. Besides, weren't you arguing against the permanent institutions, centralized education, propaganda system.. that maintains that society?

>>129380448
By creating an incentive. The positive value of violent takeover of property is greater than the negative value of losses in fighting.

>>129380514
>I am what I decide I am

Retard. And I am what I decide that I decide that I decide... that I am.

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>>129379988
I'm not surrounded by an all white community, My nation state is a bunch of niggers spics and gooks. THEY ARE NOT MY PEOPLE YOU IDIOT. THEY ARE NOT A PART OF MY ETHNIC IDENTITY. My family came to this country 4 generations ago, my roots have been killed off, there's nothing to go back to don't you see? I must create the new community with my own individualism. I must start from scratch. You have zero perspective of what I am and where i came from so stop pretending you know shit.

>>129381159
>The positive value of violent takeover of property is greater than the negative value of losses in fighting.
Exactly, that's why libertarianism allows for a defensive response.

>>129380783
>successful societies are built by people that understand realpolitik, not impotent ideologues
>who were the Founding Fathers
>What is America
>What is the most economically successful society in history
>What is the greatest international hegemony that has ever existed

>aren't you arguing against the permanent institutions, centralized education, propaganda system.. that maintains that society?
Permanent institutions aren't what create or maintain society. People create society, and ideas create people. China had permanent institutions for 4000 years, and where did that get them? They got BRIT'd and then turned into a communist shithole. Whereas the West had Aristotle, which through Thomas Aquinas led to the Renaissance, the Scientific Revolution, individualism, freedom, philosophy, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution...
Ideas matter. In the long term, they're the only thing that matters.

>>129381159
>Retard. And I am what I decide that I decide that I decide... that I am.
what the fuck are you going on about?

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>>129374559

The fundamental assumption is that charity is somehow forbidden in a Libertarian society. Not only is voluntary charity allowed and endorsed, but less charity would be needed due to a market free from income taxes and draconian regulations.

The problem is that a preponderance of Jews cannot be allowed into the nation. Jews will always exploit freedoms for the sake of making the people of a nation into slaves.

>>129382294

I think it's more a sign of an intellectual laziness that simplifies the world into a place where government is the only mechanism through which society can ever be organized.

>>129382294
normies can't imagine a world without unemployment

that's how fucked up we're

ancaps have no chance to improve our lives exponentialy WHILE dealing with normies

the plan should be how to NOT deal with them, at all

Removing ourselves to a common ground is more efficient than removing them

new hampshire/liberland is pretty cuck, that's why it's not taken seriously

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>>129376069

Self defense does not violate the NAP.

>>129382876
if society is "organized", isn't that......................
government?????????????

>>129383166
Non-coercive organization.
You starting a company, employing people and selling to willing buyers does not constitute government.

>>129366462

How many of you have actually studied basic economics?

>>129383638
(((basic economics))) these days is a Keynesian cuckfest.
I have read my Hoppe, Mises and Hayek though.

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>>129383638
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you gotta chill your acting like you got the whole world on your back and your trippin now take a deep breath calm your fuckin tits and take the world off your shoulders for a bit, i know it's stressful but you might have an anyuerism

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>>129381551
>I must create the new community with my own individualism.

The problem is that there is no such thing as doing that. Again, values are culturally created. That's the very reason roots are valuable. You say simultaneously that you have an ethnic identity and that your roots are cut off, what does that mean?

Collectivism doesn't mean "giving stuff" it means seeing the collective as the goal rather than the individual.

>Ideas matter. In the long term, they're the only thing that matters.

Your ideas don't matter.

>>129382930
read the fucking posts.

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>>129383166

A coordinated community is not somehow by default a "government", and I fail to see how it is.

The main trademark of Governmental organization is that it strips the personal sovereignty of the individual under the threat of force. A murderous, racketeering protection gang could be a considered a neo-Governmental organization in this regard, and the Government is, in many ways, interchangeable with such a gang in how they function.

>>129383874

It would probably be usefull to read other economists also.

>>129383638
"Economics" is a pseudoscience. I studied a subject where the scientific method is used, not one where it's use is impossible.

>>129384295

>read the fucking posts.

I did read your post. You asked "Why do libertarians insist on slave morality like non-aggression then?", which they do not.

You have been corrected.

>>129384295
>>129381768
>>Ideas matter. In the long term, they're the only thing that matters.
>Your ideas don't matter.
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>>129384527
I said "why non-aggression?"

To which you responded "self defense doesn't violate the NAP".

>>129379199

I do believe Libertarianism is probably only workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation. That's not what we live in right now. Because that's not what we live in right now, Libertarianism is not only unworkable, but counter-productive.

The worse it all gets, the more necessary Authoritarianism becomes, which has its own innate pitfalls, in order to create an environment in which Libertarianism can thrive in the first place.

>>129381768

So is the US a real capitalist country or not?

>>129382918

I'd like to see some secession and Balkanization soon, for sake of peace and stability, but (((they))) will not let it happen. This idea that everyone MUST live and work and do business with each other and like it is maddening and paves the way to war.

>>129384295
>You say simultaneously that you have an ethnic identity and that your roots are cut off, what does that mean?
It means my immediate family is the last of my bloodline. The rest were killed in your phony nationalist wars. I am the forefront of my culture and very little remains of the past. I must create what is no longer there. It is up to ME to create a culture and so obviously my individualism must make it so.

>>129384801

What the fuck is your point? Are you asking why not initiating violence makes sense? Do you want to live in fuckin Venezuela or Brazil?

>>129384972
>only workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation.

Anything is workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation. Politics is about protecting the nation as such, not finding ways to organize and control the people. Jews and crypto-jews can never follow this turn of perspective.

>>129384972
you're wrong. without the state to hold your hand you will have to rely on your family and community to live prosperously . nogs will riot when they don't get their checks in the mail and destroy themselves. Libertarianism is THE way to a homogenous society.

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>>129384563
I never said your ideas don't matter. Your kind of ideas nearly destroyed Europe barely 70 years ago.
The point is that the course of history isn't decided by mobs with guns. Who decides against whom those guns are to be directed? Is it really the Gauleiter or the commissar who pulls the trigger? Or is it a long line of men - from Hegel to Kant to Augustine, all the way back to Plato, standing behind that brute in ghostly array, who send the bullets flying? What power would that brute have, without all those minds to tell him how to think, to give purpose to his actions, to disarm his victims? Without them, without ideology, he shrinks from a world-historical force to a lowly criminal.
The most powerful man in history is ultimately the philosopher.

>>129384978
It got very close, in the late 18th to late 19th centuries. Capitalism in the US died with the Progressive era, with legislation such as the ICC of 1897.

>>129384978

Right now, no. The market is too fundamentally manipulated and skewed by regulation and the (((Federal Reserve))) fucking with interest rates.

If your nation has a central bank, you do not have a free market.

>>129385330
>phony nationalist wars.

I guess you are enlightened by your own individualism.

>>129385440

Wow I guess violence is kinda dumb right. Stoopid world bullies Putin and Drumpf!

>>129385747
>What power would that brute have, without all those minds to tell him how to think, to give purpose to his actions, to disarm his victims? Without them, without ideology, he shrinks from a world-historical force to a lowly criminal.

Politics is the continuation of war by other means. The most powerful man is ultimately the warrior.

>>129385784

So are you saying that the most succesful country is not capitalist?

>>129385876
I am making due with the harsh realities of my existence. Your words are empty.

>>129385465

>Politics is about protecting the nation as such, not finding ways to organize and control the people

No, it's not. It's about what it's about, and right now it's about controlling voting livestock. A strong national defense on the part of the military is about protecting the nation.

>>129385595

>without the state to hold your hand you will have to rely on your family and community to live prosperously.

No shit. If we already were a homogenous high IQ society, this would work. But we're not: the breeding and illegal importation of millions of lower-IQ peoples is already established.

You're talking prevention. Decades too late for that. What's needed is cure.

> nogs will riot when they don't get their checks in the mail and destroy themselves.

Themselves as well as many others. Besides, some will survive and continue breeding, albeit not nearly as much.

A society can only begin Libertarian, it can not become one when it is as degenerated as ours is. Which is why I advocate for secession and Balkanization.

>>129386775
>You're talking prevention. Decades too late for that. What's needed is cure.
No I am talking about the cure. abolish the state now to save the white race.

people meme about NatSoc as a means to achieve AnCap but they're wrong. AnCap is the means, NatSoc is the result.

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>>129385747
>1897
1887, fuck.

>>129385876
Sven, you haven't answered my question >>129379173. When, exactly, is unprovoked violence appropriate? Surely you don't mean to imply by your silence that your ideology is nothing but a cynical justification for whatever opportunistic collective barbarity your leaders deem necessary?

>>129386141
What is a warrior without ideology? How does he know who to kill, and who to obey? How doe he know who is a friend, and who is an enemy? Why should he lay down his life for something greater than himself - if he is conscious of no such greater thing?
You're a fool if you think nations are won or lost by the sword. Look at what is destroying your country as we speak. Is it a horde of barbarians? A selfish userper? No, IDEAS are destroying Sweden and the West! Only ideas can make an entire, great, once-proud nation commit suicide. Only ideas can make a lion lay down in the dirt and offer itself to be eaten by a rat.

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>>129386536
Most successful at what? The United States political apparatus has been a negative force on the world since inception.

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/03/21/reactionary-liberty-robert-taylor/

Here you go. If you have the time to read this book you'll understand where we're coming from.

Also as Austrians we think value is subjective. I might believe Liechtenstein or Singapore are more successful than the US in my value scale.

>>129386775
>It's about what it's about, and right now it's about controlling voting livestock.

Sigh, do you seriously think anyone disagrees with that? I was talking about the best possible function of politics.

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>>129386536

No, I'm saying the nation in $20,000,000,000,000 of Public debt, $12,600,000,000,000 in private debt, with a Fiat currency printed for a central bank, fractional reserve banking, and several market bubbles bigger than 2008 which have been formed due to false signals given to the public by that central bank, is not Capitalist.

>>129386536
The USA is not capitalist. It is a mixed economy. However, it is the most capitalist of the mixed economies, which is why it is still the greatest nation on Earth.

>>129387361

>best possible function of politics

The "best possible function" is moot: it is whatever it is at the time. Eliminate "politics" altogether and you won't have to worry about it.

>>129387296

I don't necessarily believe we need to talk about "legitimacy". Ancap is only a weird fallacy where you think you can remove the current system of law & government but keep the concept of property by transporting it to moral law instead of, well legal.. law.

Anyone who thinks exploitative management of capital will be tolerated because of "natural law" is naive. It will be tolerated if, and only if, the value returned to the public is greater than the value of violent takeover.

>>129383638
I read "Man, Economy, and State" by Murray Rothbard. Excellent book

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Autism and self-obession the ideology

>IT'S ALL ABOUT ME GUYS

>FUCK THE COUNTRY, ITS ALL ABOUT MAH RIGHTS, ME ME ME, DONT INFRINGE (TRIGGER) ON ME! THERES NO SUCH THING AS DUTY, I DONT OWE SHIT I CAN DO WHATEVER DA FUCK I WANT BITCH ASS NIGGA!

Lolbertardian fixation on the self and individualism will lead to the west's demise just as quickly if not faster than the current left-wing strain of individualism and self obsession known as identity politics. Both are solipsistic, and a philosophical dead end where humanity becomes nothing but a sea of unique individuals with unique perspectives, where collective goals and truth ceases to exist.

>>129366462
Do you guys want peace?

>>129374663
>Freedom is against muh higher valuezzz

Says who?

Authority doesn't exist. Go fuck yourself.

>>129387556

Your definition of capitalism might vary, but if we define it as the relative size of the government to the economy, then there are multiple countries that are more capitalist than the US.

>>129388397
Peace for the peaceful.

>>129388366
Political duty doesn't exist. Why does someone who calls themselves "the government" get the right to extort me?

>>129387296
>IDEAS are destroying Sweden and the West!

Retard, Sweden is being destroyed because ((financial interests)) want Europe to be an atomized, deracinated labor force with zero cultural cohesion.

A warrior without ideology is free.

>>129387556
>USA
>most capitalist

Not even in the top 10 for economic freedom, UK is above the USA in that regard

>>129388486
Consider clorox

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>>129388366
Thank you for showing us your retardation.

https://mises.org/library/nations-consent-decomposing-nation-state-0

Now kill yourself.

>>129369745
But glorious Britannia is now being stirred by the firm hand of the DUP

>>129388631
Duty to family and nation.

In Ancap society it's duty to show up to wage-slavery on time to make Shlomo some more BitShekels™

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>>129388868
Hail Rothbard. Truly based.

>>129388868
Can always count on some tard linking a mises url, so drowned in their own autism they think that the website that they worship as the ultimate authority on philosophical matters is considered so by anyone outside their little aspie bubble

>>129388297
You haven't answered the question, and you're changing the subject.
We can talk about natural law after you define your ethics for me. I have a feeling they'll leave a bloody taste in the mouth.
>>129388680
Do you really, honestly think those financial interests would be able to import millions of useless subhumans, make you tolerate their savagery, and on top of that make you pay for it out of your pockets, if your people had an ounce of self-respect, of belief in justice, of basic self-preservation instinct?
Do you really think any government, ultimately, rules on any other basis than the consent, or at least the toleration, of the governed?
A warrior without ideology is free, but powerless - as your countrymen are powerless, as the entire West, with all its weapons and technology and wealth and accomplishment, is powerless before a few mud-stained barbarians.

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>>129388366
We have always been about the preservation of family and identity where are you getting your speculations from? Do you have one quote that advocates destroying these things?

>>129389298
yay jews! FUCKING BASED!

>>129389298
Reminder jew worshipping nihilismcaps will be purged on the day of the rope, a far more likely prospect than you basement dwellers aquiring helicopters and physical strength necessary to capture NatSocs

have you ancaps ever read anything or do you just circle jerk what other dumb shit autists say?

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Is this a good book to get started with Libertarianism?

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>>129389869

>>129389050
Moral duty to family and nation does not mean I can go and put people in a cage for failing to live up to their duty. Why does the government get such a power?

>Working for a wage is slavery

How? A slave has no choice whether to work for someone else. A laborer is free to quit, work the land, start his own business, or simply work for someone else.

>>129389687
>nihlism
says the moral relativist, authoritarianism is nihlistic.

>>129389473
>You haven't answered the question, and you're changing the subject.

I reject the premise that aggression requires a written justification, history rejects that premise.

>Define your ethics.

There's no need, do you deny that ethics biological and cultural in nature? I accept them as they are. No ethnic group is required to accept unjust treatment without resistance.

>if your people had an ounce of self-respect, of belief in justice, of basic self-preservation instinct?

What would they do if they had that? Accept anarchocapitalism as the one true IDEOLOGY? You are living in fairyland, nationalism is the practical solution to those problems starting with the practical reality of improving life on your own soil. And if something isn't practical then what is it? Garbage.

>>129389869
This zone is protected by MolyMeme™ Argument Identification Technology. And that isn't an argument.
>>129389687
>Implying we're nihilists
Go on, give me your refutation of nihilism. I've got a feeling it'll be along the line of muh biology, muh heritage, muh duty. None of which, of course, is an argument.
>t. Someone who actually does have a reason-based response to nihilism
>>129390305
Yes, very good. Also read Economics in One Lesson by Hazlitt

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>>129389533
Yeah we worship jewish power, thats why we want to abolish central banking amiright? Everything Anarcho-Capitalism stands for undermines zionism, bolshevism, and globalism.

try and refute this. (you can't)

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Keep up the good work, patriots!

>>129390678
>Go on, give me your refutation of nihilism.

So you were an idiot all along... what a waste of time.

>>129389687
nihilism is literally the bane of ancapism.

Libertarianism is a revolutionary political philosophy that draws from basic moral ideas.

>>129390305
it's one of the best for sure

>>129388486

How come the SA guy hasn't replyed?

>>129391475
(unless you're a utilitarian like (((friedman))))

>>129390669
>What would they do if they had that?
They would kick the mudslimes out. Or not take them in in the first place. I do think AnCap is the correct ideology, but that's incidental to the point I was trying to make - which is that, when it comes to the story of humanity, ideas are everything, brute force nothing.
>practical solution
Imagine you are trying to drive from point A to point B in a city choked with traffic. You could either point the nose of your car in the direction of point B, and just drive. That's brute force, or 'pragmatism' as it's called in modern politics. Or you could consult a map, decide on the best route, and follow that route, even though sometimes it may take you in a direction oblique to or even away from point B. That's philosophy, that's morality. Now, tell me, which is more 'practical'?
>I reject the premise that aggression requires a written justification, history rejects that premise.
And yet you advocate nationalism, an ideological justification for action.
>I accept ethics as they are
And what are they?
>>129391152
Are you a nihilist? What's your point?
>>129388486
>>129391583
Ok, fair enough. US combines large size, with a fairly free economy, with a strong history of capitalism (a huge buildup of capital and skills). US is still the philosophical and ideological center of capitalism, though - the nation of the Founding Fathers.

>>129390401
What about reactionary liberty by Robert taylor?

>>129392033
I'm was reading it as you sent that, coincidentally. Good book, would recommend.

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>>129391945
Friedman is an intuitionist libertarian like me; he just believes that consequentialist arguments work better.

>>129391023
>Anarcho-Capitalism

Jews know that it can't happen and frankly doesn't make any sense. You are useful idiots spreading memes like 'ignore degeneracy', 'support free markets' and 'life is just have fun mayne'. So no, it doesn't undermine anything. It keeps people atomized, undisciplined, spiritually weak, self-obsessed. Ancaps are literally respectful of current property distribution, and morally against aggressive action lol.

Tell me more about how rights to national resources should belong to international jews and we absolutely can't nationalise them and some how this undermines globalism. Fucking hell.

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Why do you keep making these shitthreads? You already proved you're retarded (with proof to spare).

>>129392033
> reactionary
> liberty
Riiight

>>129389528
>we have always been about this!

Meaningless. Your ideology is focused around the sanctity of "property rights" (as vague a construct as "human rights" yet you deride the latter) and by extension idolisation of wealth (accumulation) and consuming/obtaining. This is often, and usually is, incompatible with duties. For example raising children. Under capitalism families wish to obtain the consumer goods they are brainwashed by propaganda known as advertising into believing that a various (seemingly infinite) pool of goods and services will improve their lives (by companies acting under the "infallible" profit motive), so work longer hours and women begin to work alongside the man in the hope of bettering the family finances. This depresses wages, wrecks mental health, and drastically reduces the birthrate, exactly as we are seeing in the west. This is just one example.

NatSoc sanctifies family, nation and race, phenomena like this would be a non-issue.

>>129375614
Public hanging of Babiš when?

>>129392406
>>129392406
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-VU5Yi3loGldEVwNmF0VGZ6NFVnbjNOUHRFVzlmUHBHN0pz
I got it here for you.

>>129392308
who says libertarians should ignore degeneracy. I don't want society to look like Califonication. I don't believe life is all about having fun. I believe we have duties to family and to society.

>>129391023
>that image

top fucking kek who comes up with this

Why do you lads hate roads so much?

>>129392916
someone requested I make it. Don't know if they ever saw the final product.

>>129391023
Yes, (((they))) the property owners wouldn't benefit from a situation where only property was enforced

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>>129393025
Because they're always fucking broken down.

>>129393203
well I like it, thanks for doing it

that was a great movie

>>129392906
I agree, the thing is what libertarians believe is in individual freedom. Say if you want to be a hippy degenerate who smokes a whole zip lock bag of weed, does not wear clothes and fucks goats. They can, but see how the markets treat them. I will bet my boots they will not even look at him twice.

>>129392308
>ignore degeneracy
>life is just have fun mayne
literally never have I said anything of the sort, nor has any serious libertarian. Stop making up strawmen. you have failed to refute my point, shill.

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>>129392840
That has to be some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. And I've read Ayn Rand.

>>129393317
>create Marxism
>pro property

>>129392906
>who says libertarians should ignore degeneracy.
It follows from the principle of non-aggression. Property is power and it should be taken by those that will support higher values.

>I don't believe life is all about having fun. I believe we have duties to family and to society.

I don't want to say that most libertarians outright reject these values. Simply that the policies they support fail to protect and cultivate them. And for no reason except a confusion about the nature of property, force and individual desire.

>>129386536
If your country has a centeral bank it is not capitalist. Money is made by free markets itself. You are thinking of corperateism.

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So what percentage of Ancaps are pedophiles?

I'm thinking around 90% or so. There's literally no other reason to support this retarded ideology.

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>>129392683

property rights are not incompatible with moral duties. I have a moral duty to give to charity, this does not change the fact that I own my money regardless of whether I give.

Self-interest is not necessarily desirable; it's a statement of fact. Government agents act in their self-interest, too. They are not angels who can decide how to best manage the economy.

>>129392308
>'life is just have fun mayne'
We are not hedonists. Life is to be lived, not wasted. We do not believe in self-sacrifice. We believe in self-improvement and self-fulfillment. Man is an end in himself.
> It keeps people atomized, undisciplined, spiritually weak, self-obsessed.
Not so undisciplined that we need men with guns to threaten to shoot us if we don't comply with whatever 'morality' is the Fuehrer's decree this week.
>>129392683
>brainwashed by propaganda known as advertising
As opposed to brainwashed by propaganda known as, well, propaganda? Well, we all knew the distinctive flavour of totalitarianism is hypocrisy.
>believing that various (seemingly infinite) pool of goods and services will improve their lives
This is a result of the nihilism brought about by the collapse of philosophy. In an individualist society, as opposed to a morally bankrupt, half-collectivist, half-hedonist one, every man is entitled to his own pursuit of happiness - the major part of which, naturally, comes from spiritual sources, family, love, honor, not material ones.

>>129393945
>1 post by this ID

make an argument, or McNuke(TM) yourself.

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>>129393945
So what percentage of leafs make completely abhorrent posts?

I'm thinking around 90% or so. There's literally no other reason to support this retarded country.

>>129393595
>>129393567
>>129393901

>the invisible hand of degeneracy removal

Why? If we can take direct steps to ensure better living and higher values, why refrain from doing so because jews tell you it will destabilise markets if porn isn't everywhere or whatever.

>>129394040
the funny part in this is that the christian church is always the last remaining uncorrupted cell of civilisation. they cant stop decadence and its in gods hands - once game over the christians reset the game and we start again #Masterreligion

>>129388366
You must be confusing this place with r/libertarian, or you're strawmaning to all hell. Either way, America's and Europe's golden age came about when economic freedom and individualism were valued very highly by society. Ever the beginning of the 20th century then, everything has gone to collectivist internationalist or otherwise totalitarian shit. Learn some history, fascism is shit and only ever worked when it encouraged capitalism heavily.

>>129393901
Ostracism and corrective education are often more powerful than outright political power. You don't need the latter to maintain morality in society.

>>129394301
Higher values - such as what? Why are they higher?
>An attempt to achieve the good by physical force is a monstrous contradiction which negates morality at its root by destroying man’s capacity to recognize the good, i.e., his capacity to value. Force invalidates and paralyzes a man’s judgment, demanding that he act against it, thus rendering him morally impotent. A value which one is forced to accept at the price of surrendering one’s mind, is not a value to anyone; the forcibly mindless can neither judge nor choose nor value. An attempt to achieve the good by force is like an attempt to provide a man with a picture gallery at the price of cutting out his eyes. Values cannot exist (cannot be valued) outside the full context of a man’s life, needs, goals, and knowledge.

>>129394455
Just a stupid question do you think Jesus is Libertarian?

>>129366578
Oh but they're SOOOOO right wing. Hitler didn't promote a massive welfare state for whites or anything. He was a libertarian who wanted people to keep their guns

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>>129394704
yes, though capitalism and socialism weren't theorized in his time.

>>129394704
i think that the christian tradition has been thriving for 2000 years without becoming decadent. obviously we are missing some key ingredient to building nations. a nation that was officially christian, and secular and possibly libertarian may be able to sort itself out and rescue father from the grave properly

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>>129388366

Individualist/collectivist attitude doesn't necessarily collerate with the size and power of the state.

Scandinavian countries are tax-cucked to the max, and at the same time highly individualist. Thanks to the welfare state a person can completely disregard their local community - even if everyone in town knows him to be a piece of shit, he is entitled to gibs from their pockets.

Thus the politicians can stitch to society whatever obedient subgroups they like - gypsies, niggers, muslims - all the third world's scum, without complaint, in the name of "duty".

Meanwhile an economically free society with a collectivist attitude can be agile, fair and effective in provisioning for the poor. That's what the Nordics were like pre-WWII, when public spending was <20%.

>>129394949
kek, fucking saved
>>129394704
>Render unto Caesar...
Jesus advocates spiritual independence, which is a great start. His disdain for the things of this earth is incompatible with the rights of man, though: if this earth is merely a test, a temporary illusion leading to eternity in a supernatural Paradise, then why should man have the right to life, to liberty and to property?

>>129376901
Says the man who supports the Jew Karl Marx and Hitler who was related to the Rothschilds

>>129394636
>physical force is bad and that makes any product of physical force bad

Why would I accept that as true?

>Higher values - such as what?

I can't define that. But I might ask you why we would permit that only property and the defence of it gets to be absolute? That in my opinion is an example of the lowest of values.

>>129395401
> because life liberty and right to property are (sacred)
"Each man can serve his own needs, or he can follow the will of the lord. The former will struggle and toil to increase parishing wealth, while the latter rejoices every day in the blessings and love of the Lord. He is beholden to no man and the Lord God delights in him"

>>129395733
>Why would I accept that as true?
Didn't you follow the reasoning? By interposing the threat of death between a man's judgment and his action on that judgement, you have destroyed any possibility of morality. If a man does a good act, not because he WANTS to, but because you will shoot him if he doesn't, how is he moral?
>To force a man to drop his own mind and to accept your will as a substitute, with a gun in place of a syllogism, with terror in place of proof, and death as the final argument—is to attempt to exist in defiance of reality. Reality threatens man with death if he does not act on his rational judgment; you threaten him with death if he does. You place him in a world where the price of his life is the surrender of all the virtues required by life—and death by a process of gradual destruction is all that you and your system will achieve, when death is made to be the ruling power, the winning argument in a society of men.

>I can't define that.
So, you want the right to reform society by force, by the barrel of a gun - and you don't even know what those reforms will be, or why they are better? Christ man, I'm glad you aren't my Fuehrer and never will be.

>>129396702
>Didn't you follow the reasoning? By interposing the threat of death between a man's judgment and his action on that judgement, you have destroyed any possibility of morality. If a man does a good act, not because he WANTS to, but because you will shoot him if he doesn't, how is he moral?

Then you are arguing against a strawman. I'm saying force can be used for good. Not that you can do good while being forced. I couldn't care less if the latter is true or not.

Nationalism is NOT about dominance. It's about removing foreign influence and running your own affairs. The fact that most libertarians are too thick to understand is that consolidation of power in huge, inhuman, foreign, hierachical institutions is bad, whether it's the state or corporate.

>>129388366
I am a right wing libertarian and I actually agree with you to some extent. This is one reason why religion in my opinion still holds value. As a former LaVeyan Satanist I can say that Anton LaVey hit the nail on his head that man needs fantasy. That is why he practiced magic. The fantasy gives meaning and greater purpose. I'm slowly turning into a national capitalist who believes in cultural supremacy and completely abolishing equality based principles. No one is equal. I still believe in capitalism but I believe that there are different forms of government. Social government, economic government and political government. Economically and politically we should be free but socially we should be governed by some identity that allows us to feel we are the same. I agree with you in the case of how we should govern the nation socially just not politically or economically. The founding Fathers didn't espouse equality except for in the eyes of the law and it didn't apply to slaves.

>>129397610
Not bad, you've got the esoteric NatCap/AnCap shit down aside from the lack of god. have you into natural law yet?

>>129397484
>force can be used for good
Only in retaliation against already initiated force. How could the initiation of force be used for good?
Your enemies can be divided into two categories: those whose weapon is force and those whose weapon is words. Those who use force (criminals, socialists, expropiators, invaders) can rightly be repelled by force. But what about those who use words? If they are your enemies, and you are in the right, then they must be wrong. And if they are wrong, you can prove them wrong - using your own words. To resort to a gun in place of words, is to admit that reality is on the side of your enemies, and that you have no argument to offer except the threat of death, which, as I have shown, is the very negation of morality.
>Nationalism is NOT about dominance. It's about removing foreign influence and running your own affairs.
And why should I, the individual, not be permitted to run MY own affairs? To remove YOUR 'foreign influence' if I do not like it?

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>>129388366
Are you actually fucking retarded?

I love my country and culture, I'd die for them. But that still doesn't mean that people should be forced to care about something they simply don't give a fuck about.

What the fuck is duty?

>collective goals will cease to exist because people won't be forced to have them

Then they're fucking worthless, the most beautiful thing about collective goals is that people are linked by having the same goal.

>truth will cease to exist if we don't tell people how it actually is

I won't even try to explain how fucking retarded that is.

Your logic is a joke. Why would you want to force someone who hates their country to fight for it? Why do you want to make patriotism a duty instead of promoting it and making people actually love their country (or any different concept which makes them share a collective goal)?

Please just shoot yourself

>>129397610
NatSoc emphasized private initiative, private property and competition as useful parts of the economy. That's not the issue. Libertards are so dogmatic that they fail to see that massive private power is a much more effective way of ensuring that Joe Farmer will be a wageslave all of his life instead of being self-employed.

>>129387322
Its good to see you saved that. Good conversations yesterday on that.

>>129398938
THANK YOU, Spanishbro. The voice of fucking reason.

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>>129366462
Are libertarians autistic?

>Symbol is a Snake that doesn't want to be touched
>Snakes lack empathy, like autists
>Snakes don't like to talk, like autists
>Snakes avoid direct eye contact, like autists
>The snake doesn't want to be touched, like autists

>>129398839
>How could the initiation of force be used for good?

To remove property from those that mismanage it.

>>129399291
nice vauge terms. What would be considered
"mismanaged"? are they using property to hurt people? in that case force is justified anyhow.

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Has anyone read this? What did you think of the proposed system of paying for medical care?

>>129399198
>lives in america
>has absolutely no idea why snake is the symbol of libertarians

What the fuck anon

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>>129399198
Jesus son, how do you be this bad?

>>129399487
Non libertarian americans make me fucking sick.

>>129399487
I'm pretty sure I just laid out why its the libertarian symbol.

Also I forgot to mention the rattler. Autists love fidget spinners and thats basically a biological fidget spinner

>>129399436
I'll use very precise term here.


When the value returned to the public by the owner of property is too small to dissuade violent takover of said property. We call this mismanagement of property.

>>129399436
This. And if their use of their property isn't hurting anyone, how do you propose to do good by forcing them to give up their property or use it in accordance with your will? Can't you and those who agree with you achieve that good by yourselves, without forcing those who want no part in it?

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Who should be on the next /lrg/ OP image? I've been wanting to create some more to keep things fresh being that the video I promised aint coming out so well i might as well..

>>129399883
keep in mind it should be edgy-teir right libertarians, no fags allowed.

>>129399883
Do Ayn Rand for a change. Will trigger some brainlets who love to scream JOOOOOOO at every available opportunity.

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Do libertarians have frens?

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1497078566308.webm

>>129400004
rand would be cool, she is edgy as fuck too. is there a specific iconic image i should use? I imaging you're the goto guy for rand.

>>129400137
>*imagine

>>129400054
probably not since they're symbol is an autistic snake

>>129399779
>value returned to the public
And why should that be the criterion for my continued ownership of my property - the product of MY mind and effort? By what right do you deny me what is mine?

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>>129399742
Rattlesnakes can be found in the area where the original 13 colonies were. The symbol is supposed to represent them, because the Gadsden flag was used by the Continental Marines while America was fighting for independence.

Pic related was drawn by Benjamin Franklin. I hope you know who that is.

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discord /8KH8NN

book club

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>>129400137
pic related, she's looking fairly /smug/

>>129400520
You got it.

How can BritBongs be true Libertarians when we aren't allowed guns, or any self defence weapons?

>>129400893
Don't live in Britain, move to australia. Prepare for shit internet.

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>>129400293
It's not the product of YOUR mind and effort.

A) You are not a special snowflake descended from god. Your creativity and work ethic is the product of your biological and cultural context. Earn it and protect it.

B) The relation between economic value and natural resources is a loosely-coupled one. They are NOT independent. When you own limited natural resources you impose a negative value on other prospective owners. You ought to pay that back.

C) Humans act more or less rationally, that's the basis for much of economic theory. This means that they make value judgements, they may well make the value judgement I described earlier. They may decide violent takeover is more valuable to them. Unless they are good anarcho-capitalists i.e. cucked out of their minds and happy to be exploited, they would be liable to physically remove you.

>>129399883
Use this crab >>129387322

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So what do you guys think about the New England Leadership party meme? Instead of Alt-right, it goes back to the huge amount of knowledge we have been blessed with. Politics, religion, economics, technology, health, literature... everything can be seen through the eyes of a modern day, educated New Englander.

The goal is to unite the 6 states into one state, combine the power of 26 electoral votes, be the first primary, and compete with larger states like CA TX and NY

Thoughts? Gun laws seem to be single problem but I think that can be solved.

>pic related, she started feminism, is hated by some feminist, came from MA, helped get bring about fascism, first woman allowed to study at Harvard, very good friends with famous NE authors, died in a ship wreck off the coast while returning from Italy.
>there is nothing New England is can't fix because our history is vast.

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>>129401266
>Mfw we're using my crab.

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>>129401561
It's a very nice crab :)

>>129401508
But anon, larger states have lower electoral votes/capita
You lose 10 senators by doing this

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>>129366462
Bump for infantile libtardarians: babby's naive viewpoint. I love these threads, SO. MUCH. FUN.

>>129400893
I feel you bro, here we can own max 4 guns. The most powerful possible gun you can own is a semi-auto rifle with a mag no larger than 10 rounds (I think). This despite the fact that the poor neighborhoods are rife with literal gang warfare, and we have the highest rape rate in the world.
>>129401120
>Your creativity and work ethic is the product of your biological and cultural context
Tell me, was Watt's steam engine the product of his biological and cultural context? What about Einstein's relativity? Was Beethoven's 9th symphony created by his cultural surroundings - or by his mind and his will to create it?
Where do you think culture comes from, if not from the accumulated efforts of men who were not afraid to step outside the accepted practice? Where would we be without those who strove for something new, something that nobody had ever conceived of before, something OUTSIDE his current 'cultural context'?
Now, obviously, I'm no Beethoven. But every man, to the extent that he chooses to use his mind, is the owner of the product of that mind. If not him, then who else?
'Cultural context' is not a magical, Godlike force that absorbs all into itself. 'Cultural context' is nothing but the SUM of the individual creative efforts of individual men.

>>129402374
libertarians are basically proto-fascist. Just give them time

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>>129402506
What helps liberterriers ripen then?
Putting them into a tightly folded brown paper bag?

>>129366462
>It's a brainlets can do nothing but insulting episode

>>129403019
libertarians are extremely analytical. You want to convince them, you have to make logical arguments

Show them data about race and crime, race realism stuff. They'll get it right away

>>129403161
We.know.about.this
It.still.don't.make.us.fascist

>>129403161
That doesn't even mean that it will lead to them being fascists. I'm a race realist and while I think the idea of a white ethno state could work in theory, in practice I don't see that it could be long term sustainable. Also I don't like the core behind fascism, people being unable to make their own desicions and letting the state do it for them will breed a culture of dependency that will lessen us as a race.

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>>129403161
>implying libertarians aren't race realists
It really rustles my jimmies that you think we're civicucks
You fags need to read some real libertarian literature. Rothbard wrote much about race realism, Promoted the bell curve and so on.

Is there a name for support of free markets with no government intervention, while the government is still authoritarian?

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>>129400520
How's this?

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>>129403019
>>129403314
What about if we wash your rinds periodically, keeping you in a climate controlled cellar. Will that ripen you into a mature ideology?

>>129403494
Look basically it goes like this.

Not everyone is born with the capability of being a fully self-realized, self-actualized individual capable of fighting their way through the churning waters of the free marketplace. Only a few rare individuals rise to this standard, these are the elites. In the traditional tribal social structure, it's the job of the elites to tend to their flock. Fight for their interests, rights, beleifs....etc. This is how society actually functions, how it has always functioned. Even in the modern "democracy" this is how it works.

Most people literally need someone to tell them how to live, what to think, what to believe. To give structure and balance to their lives. Someone to give them a purpose, and something to fight for. This is just human nature, it's the natural order of things.

A state really is representative of a people. The reason the English tradition is so skeptical of the idea of a strong central government is because for hundreds of years the English were ruled by a hostile alien ethnicity knows as the Normans (who were of nordic stock).

>>129403674
That's pretty good anon. Saved.

>>129403780
You want us infested with Bacterias ?
I thought you didn't liked jews

>>129402449
Why did you ignore 2/3s of my post?

>Tell me, was Watt's steam engine the product of his biological and cultural context?

Obviously it was because there is nothing left. Rather there is nothing left to talk about. There's no room in spiritual or religious matters for 'credit'.

We aren't really talking about beethoven though are we? The practical reality is that no everyday property manager is individuated, even if individuation where somehow to lead to property or to something like "individual goals". They are mediocre, and they deserve nothing by right.

They can however deserve things by merit, it's funny that you ignored that part of my argument. I don't think anyone can claim that Watt failed to provide value to the public.

>>129404064
This may be true, most people do need alot of help trying to figure out what their doing. I still do not care, I still believe that it is better for people to make their own desicions. I trust most of them will be fucking idiotic, but this has always been true. The idiots will die while the smart ones will continue, survival of the fittest as it were; however, if the state were to interfere with this process we'll never improve a race or species.

>>129403161
>libertarians are extremely analytical

It's a dogmatic ideology based on natural rights magic. Libertarians are extremely stubborn and preachy rather.

>>129404535
>The idiots will die while the smart ones will continue
But the point is, those idiots are not supposed to have to fend for themselves. They are supposed to be part of an integrated national heirarchy.

It's like saying saying that because your feet can't live on their own without your heart and brain, they deserve to wither and die. These people play a very important necessary role filling out the body politic of the nation.

Applying our theory to parents and children, this means that a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die. The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive. (Again, whether or not a parent has a moral rather than a legally enforceable obligation to keep his child alive is a completely separate question.) This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as: should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die (e.g., by not feeding it)? The answer is of course yes, following a fortiori from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. (Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society the existence of a free baby market will bring such “neglect” down to a minimum.)
The rights of children, even more than those of parents, have been systematically invaded by the state. Compulsory school attendance laws, endemic in the United States since the turn of this century, force children either into public schools or into private schools officially approved by the state.

>>129404828
Supposedly “humanitarian” child labor laws have systematically forcibly prevented children from entering the labor force, thereby privileging their adult competitors. Forcibly prevented from working and earning a living, and forced into schools which they often dislike or are not suited for, children often become “truants,” a charge used by the state to corral them into penal institutions in the name of “reform” schools, where children are in effect imprisoned for actions or non-actions that would never be considered “crimes” if committed by adults. - Rothbard

LoL! you guys ideology is retarded

>>129404828
>>129404914
So what? You are pro-child murder? you're against adoption for neglected children?

>>129404828
>>129404914

Wow, reads like satire.

>>129366462
Contrary to what so many good people – out of sheer terror of ‘Communism’ – think, Capitalism is not ‘free enterprise,’ an incentive for success, ‘a chance for all.’ Capitalism is trusts, speculation, parasitical usury. Capitalism is J. P. Morgan, Rothschild’s bank, ripping apart the nations like maddened swine. Capitalism is the Jewish frying pan in which culture is rendered down to the grease of money. Following it, as the night to day, is the thrice hotter Jewish fire of ‘Communism.'

>>129404762
I'm not saying that their not important, I'm just saying that these idiots already make terrible decisions for themselves and they don't face repercussions due to the power of the state in their lives. You can have the hierarchy and still improve it by natural selection. For example the lowest class has a shit poor iq, imagine if we were able to get their IQs by 5 points just by allowing the dumbest ones to die out. I would always prefer that over allowing these people to continue because the state says it's a good idea.

>>129405412
>implying IQ is all that matters
Many people with high IQ's are vicious snakes

Europeans traditionally prided things like honesty, moral virtue, social approval. They are not really selected solely for intelligence. Europeans basically went through evolutionary selection for who could create the best nation-state. That means tons of cooperation, social trust, respect for heirarchy and social status.....etc. Europeans working together basically create the perfect machine of military might. Like a larger organism created from a bunch of individuals

That's why Europeans are so much better than literally everyone else in terms of military conquest. Any shit-tier European army such as the Spanish could clean the clocks of any other army in the world

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>>129405410
Stop Globalism.
Abolish Central Banking.
End the Fed.
Gas the State.
None of this helps Zionist control, We challenge power more than any nazis think they do.

>Jewish
"The Jewish Question" by Life Love and ANARCHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jtKNs5q2o
Documenting Anti-Semitism Within the Libertarian Movement
https://chelm.freeyellow.com/libertarianproblem.html

Even our favored jews are blasted for being anti-semites and racists by jews in high places.

>>129402002
But they gain a more efficient govt, think of all the waste that can be consolidated. It's just a reorganization of representation. Think about what would happen when the all the rural areas of NE can unite together and voice their collective thoughts.

I imagine it happening only with the formation of a new party, one that gets universal support in NE because realistically we can all agree on certain things.

>>129405883
Yes, many with high IQ are evil too. Nonetheless in the modern world a high IQ is the biggest factor in determining life success. I agree with the rest though, that's also important, and society should go out of it's way to stress both.

>>129405271
You didn't even read what was there. The guy is literally advocating for starving your children to death.

>>129406462
Ok consider this

Jews have the highest IQ's in the world. But one of the problem with jews is they have very low social trust, even amongst their own in-group. That's why it's hard for them to build the great social structures that Europeans are capable of building. Where there is natural respect for hierarchy, honest fair play between individuals. That's why jews function best when they are in amongst a larger European population, where they can be the only snake in the rabbit hutch.

A collection of less-gifted individuals who work well together as a group will always defeat a collection of extremely gifted geniuses who hate each other and stab each other in the back. We Europeans are mighty specifically because of our ability to mutually trust each other and have high social capital amongst our fellow man

Who can stand against the power of Rome?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6EIv9GULJU

>>129407111
I think you think that I'm misunderstanding you, and I'm not. I understand the purpose of communitarianism, and I do think that it's important to maintain civilization, but I also believe that individualism and the betterment of the population is as important; therefore, I find that they can exist together. An individual can better himself and in doing so better his community.

>>129406304
What the fuck are you talking about now? The nazis literally rounded them up and tried to ship them to madagascar, that didn't work out so they, supposedly, gassed them to death by the millions. You are irked by nationalising property held by Jews. Maybe you aren't zionist controlled, just impotent.

>>129407687
pure individualism neglects the group. There is a balance you must achieve

Being an individual gives us the chance to prove our worth. But being part of a group gives us all greater horizons

>>129407969
Yes, I agree. But with that being said I still prefer to have a small state that doesn't fuck around with you and a strong community that enforces social norms, I think that these social norms should be trust and intelligence.

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Sefishness, greed, individualism......
What about glory? What about honor? What about heroism and power?

Have you ever felt the blood pumping through your veins, that manly energy burning deep within your chest? Have you really forgotten what it is to fight, the thrill of battle, and the music of your enemies fleeing from the mighty host of marching feet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt0vSdbYxy0

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>>129407719
I wish you would see that we're in the same boat. We are both enemies of the elders of zion. Enemies of the state. I don't want to fight you, I just wish you weren't so into welfare and socialised healthcare, its disgenic. I support white nationalism. please stop trying to alienate people who are allies to the same cause. Alt-Light and Conservatives are to cucked to name the jew, but we aren't.

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You fags need to go full Nat Soc. There's more to politics than shekels. And Germany was the greatest economic turnaround in history between the world wars. Plus they made soap out of folk who'd later build your reviled Fed. It's a win-win: join us Nat Soc's.

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>>129408503
>Have you ever felt the blood pumping through your veins, that manly energy burning deep within your chest?
Every fucking day, we talk alot about economics buts thats not the point of libertarianism. We want the freedom to follow our destiny without interfierance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuVqwe3qTUM

>>129409045
my post apllies to you too.

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>>129374559
what a shocker

>>129409192
Individualism led us to our current state, friendo. You want more of the same, and worse. Your enemies play identity politics. Your individualism puts you at their merecy; you're a fragmented splinter. Your interests are a reflection of your group's interests; ignore it to your peril, economic and otherwise.

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>>129410293
"Individualism" isnt a coherent philosophy. Nobody is an "idividualist" I cringe even when my ancap bros call people "collectivists" forget all that me me me bullshit. Thats not who I am.

Is supporting White Nationalism and opposition to Zionism not enough for you to take an ally? I know we like (((Rothbard))), I can prove he's a truly special jew, and not part of zionism. I have every peice of evidence to show we are against the same enemies. Stop this madness. Lets get somthing done.

>>129383638
Schools train economists to preserve fraudulent systems. Basically all mainstream economics taught in schools is Keynesian-influenced and focuses more on empirical methods. There are some Friedman "libertarians" that embrace stochastic models at the core of their economic thinking. I'm not saying this isn't useful or that spending time learning mathematical economics is a waste of time, but since man is a flawed measure of things, it is important to take a worldview of human exchanges which makes few assumptions about the world around oneself.

Marxist economics is also based on basic a priori assumptions about man, and actually some libertarians essentially have a worldview similar to that of which is outlined in Kapital, but beginning from different axioms, and thus producing very different results.

>>129383638
>>129411708
(cont'd)
So, if you want, you can consider Austrian "economics" to be more philosophy than utilizes classical economics. It's still economics, just quite different from how, for instance, (((Paul Krugman))) understands economics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNEgOg2y8Xg

>>129379407
Guys he's right. It's necessary that huge government entities waste half of my earnings on bureaucratic garbage so we can have endless miles of smooth pavement.

Roads are the greatest single outcome of government systems!