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That is euphoric

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>atheism
>a religion

>>129351258
Well it is a set of beliefs. There's a big chance we live in a simulation and simulations are created by a designer. Simulation theory is a theist theory

>fedoras were popular in the 1920s through to the mid 50s
>now only atheists and johnny depp wear them
what happened?

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I don't care about atheism, I just really dislike that they pretend that science=atheism, and they push that everywhere, on their sites they also try to prove that the old scientists were also atheist "oppressed by religion so they couldn't say otherwise", do they even read some history about science?

>China
>Christian

This Poletard keeps posting this crap for years now.

Atheism is growing in first world countries but it's growth is counteracted by high sandnigger and poo in loo birth rates

>>129351441
Its not a set of beliefs.
>>129350052
Good, the less people that are atheist the more quality the idea will be.
t. Atheist

>atheism
>religion

Not collecting stamps is a hobby.

>>129350052
all the same retard religions from the middle east. we lack a sufficient answer cause it would be most likely very complicated and challenging. nothing of that jew shit is true, its just entirely made up by people for various or even no reason at all. humanity is fucked up, its not the only crazy thing around. its the same with smoking, those who start do so because of those that are already in.

its all some nice feel good fairy tales that do not survive a test with reality and you have to bullshit yourself with insane mental gymnastics to make it somehow work...thanks no.

>>129350052
I think this explains the Fermi paradox

>>129350052

You've been posting the same crap over and over Karol. It's been months by now, stop this nonsense, nobody cares or should care about atheists.

>>129350052
I haven't seen this copycats in a while.
You're likely to troll a whole new crowd, Polandbro.

>>129352637
also young people below 30 seem
to have little imagination or understanding of the vastness of the universe+time. all what we have today is based on some simple sets of rules (where we know they are there, yet dont know exactly how they are linked) + galactic shitloads of time & space; you dont need a god for that.

>>129350052
very heart warming that there are more and more sheeps believing in the invisible man with every year. im really proud of humanity and to be a part of it.

>>129350052
atheism is NOT a religion. Before we get to the whole hurr durr they>>129350052
BELIEVE there is nothing to believe in we should explain the difference between hard scientism and agnosticism so the newfags stop shitting up the threads with memes.

Now, on a serious note, buddhism was the closest to atheism, but not really, nietchze considered it nihilism, a means to escape from the ultimate fear of this world, so they created a religion OF nothingness itself as something to be overcome and surpassed.

Atheism is great when you are a teenager, but when someone dear to you dies you genuinelly question it all. My father died recently, there was an open casket and all... six months later, i still cant come to terms with it.

The problem that Nietchze talked about is basically this: people WANT to believe, but the ACT or the POSSIBILITY ITSELF seems APSURD to the modern man, and modernity itself is about as anti-mystical as it can get. The whole world is coming to terms that our power (knowledge, the fact we can influence climate, dna, a.i., a global world) is growing yet man himself is becoming smaller, almost insect-like.

>>129351441
That's right buddy. Probabilistic statistical quantum simulations can't boot themselves up.

>all these fedora memes

Why does /pol/ conflate atheists with beta autists? Is it because of reddit ""intellectuals""?

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Prepare to die a virgin.

>>129352306
Well they aren't wrong
Religion describes the world and how it came to be .
Science study's the world and how it came to be.
If religion =/= science then atheism is correct

>>129350052
I would be glad to read that id it didn't mean that Islam is on the rise.

>>129353299
>Why does /pol/ conflate atheists with beta autists
Because beta autists are usually atheist.

>>129350052

Again - called it 4~5 years before it happened.

among other things.
like Mekel's plan for europe (at first most people liked her, she didn't reveal her views yet to public)

>>129353357
right. there are vaginas only for believers. not a single atheist ever got laid. lmao XDDDD

>>129353446
how do you come to terms that it is all just hopeless then? it makes me depressing as fuck. and its not like islam can survive in the long term, say, 200 years from now. the only way is if people are desperately lying to themselves and clinging to a tradition.

>>129350052
What you're missing is the surge in people who don't really follow any religion but describe themselves as "spiritual" as an excuse for stealing talismans and traditions from a dozen different faiths.

>>129350052
>atheism
>a religion
Anon I have some bad news for you..

>>129353777
Wal sie pedale.

Does reddit really do meet-ups?
I've got to go to one of these things, I just have to see.

>>129350052
I hope in the future we have a religion that is straight up lovecraftian. plus, death cults and public sacrifices and lunatics screaming that the abyss is singing or some shit.

>inb4 thats islam

islam is not cool enough

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I´d rather hang out with every single one of these neckbeards than some Evolution denying Drumpfcuck or Achmed and the gang.

Fuck you religious faggots.

>>129350052
>atheism is a religion
Stop posting this dumb pasta retarded Pole
Sage

>>129353801
>and its not like islam can survive in the long term, say, 200 years from now. the only way is if people are desperately lying to themselves and clinging to a tradition.
What the hell do you base that on? As long as the dessert is habitable there will be some tribe of muslims out there.
>the only way is if people are desperately lying to themselves and clinging to a tradition
That's a good portion of religion in general and you could even argue that they're doing a better job of maintaining tradition than other religions.

Atheism was just a tool to undermine and disintegrate Christendom, but that wasn't hard since the priest caste leadership in a society are always corrupt shitbags. Buddha and Luther know what I'm talkin' about. Even Based Dawkins has come to realize in horror that his life's work of spreading euphoria and fedoras destroyed a bulwark which has allowed much more malignant religions to spread into the vacuum. All the beta armchair atheists tip their fedoras and demand you APOLOGIZE to Islam, where they used to attack christianity nonstop.

Yes I'm sure this has nothing to do with Africa's population growing ridiculously fast while Europe & China's population are either steady or in decline

Clearly this means that theists are superior or something

>>129353357
Your best argument, halfwit? You seem to be the virgin

>>129354313
I think that the advancement is just going to do to them what it did to the west. Young populations are going to become increasingly hedonistic and will start to search for meaning like in the west.

I think that all those fanatics are basically atheist in denial honestly.

>That's a good portion of religion in general

True, but you have to RESPECT those traditions, which is becoming hard worldvide to do. I think buddhism will survive but islam is a revelation religion it HAS to be absolute, and science will destroy it like it did with us.

>>129353215
>Atheism is great when you are a teenager, but when someone dear to you dies you genuinelly question it all.

Speak for yourself. I've had plenty of close friends and family die and I remain steadfast in my atheism. Feels aren't reals and just because you want to feel like your father is still out there somewhere doesn't mean there is any good reason to think that. Intellectual honesty is the highest moral value.

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>>129354269
Reddit meet-up . I don't have the original unfortunately

>>129353699

And fat Americans on pol are usually nazis. So I guess that means all nazis are fat Americans.

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>>129354458

*tips fedora*

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>>129352336

>Its not a set of beliefs.

But it is. It's the believe that one hold's no belief about the existance of god - why is rediculous.
Everyone holds either a belief in God, a belief of non-existance (rediculous view) - Or anything in between which would fall under Agnosticism.

Either you are a theist, belief there is no god(bring it on), or an agnost.
You can't just claim you have a "lack of belief" because that's simply not true.
Animals and super retards are the real atheists who REALLY "lack a belief".

>>129354094
Kolegow lamusie szukasz na 4chanie? XD co za przeszczep pierdolony.

>>129354766
that's true though

>>129354778

You're a confused person.

Atheism isn't a set of beliefs. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.

Not collecting stamps is not a hobby.

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Atheism is only prevalent in populations with high IQs like whites and asians. Atheists aren't declining world wide because people are "turning back to god", it's because the nigger population is fucking exploding and whites and asians are being replaced. If you're celebrating this you're retarded.

>>129350052
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>>129350052
>poolish education

>>129354672
>Intellectual honesty is the highest moral value.

Hey, not arguing against that. However, it is interesting just how much religion is important, look at all western art for the past 1800 years, its all jesus, saints, mary, and its great. i am sure that without it most people cant cope.

>Feels aren't reals and just because you want to feel like your father is still out there somewhere doesn't mean there is any good reason to think that


True. But it also has larger implications. For instaqnce why should i care about something as short lived as a nation, my flag or race? Its all just an accident anyway. If we had a war, why should i die.

>Inb4 because reasons

Muh ancestors is feels as well anon. Sacrificing my life for my people seems crazy, there are no "my" people, there is me, and i will die, so why should i care? Life like that will create slaves as much as it would create heroes i think.

>>129355239
>too inteligent to not go to hell

>>129355239
>Atheism is only prevalent in populations with high IQs like whites and asians.
this. the best example is Japan. christcucks and other simple minded creatures wont get it.

>>129355550
>japan
>neets, faggots tree worshippers and whores
FUCKING BASED

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>>129355550
Exactly, people celebrating this are celebrating white genocide because of "fedora memes xDDD"

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>>129355756
pic also related of "based christians xDDD"

>>129355756
Fedora meme was invented by feminists to shame atheists for not becoming a religion (cf. atheism+), too.

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>>129355815
>>129355756
>muh skin

>>129354295
it seems you don't get a choice in hanging out with Achmed, what with him hanging out of your wife 'n' all

>>129355858
I guess feminists are good for something.

Theism is for people who need to rely on a supernatural force for emotional strength.
In other words weak willed men.

>>129355815

Behold how the jew considers low IQ good, green, and and high IQ bad.

Fucking pieces of shit who made this are too scared to be seen to be making a statement.

>>129355897
>race is just skin

leave

>>129356438
>Behold how the jew considers low IQ good, green, and and high IQ bad.
It is.

>tfw to intelligent to debate christfags on pol

>>129350052
It's mostly because Moslems are breeding like rabbits, driving down the % of every other religion.

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Your grand children will be christian. they prob won't even know atheism existed

>Atheism is shrinking

So is the white race. Really makes you think.

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2 intelligent 2 bee a slave

>be Christian
>find Evolution supports Christianity
>have to deal with both sides of retards
>isolated and hated

God's so wonderful and powerful that he designed the Universe's mechanics. His Plan is the fabric of reality. How can people limit God to 'Earth and a few lights in the sky' when you can attribute EVERYTHING to him? He is a Master Architect of Evolution. Therefor evolution is a holy process that lead to Man, we are created in his image in a way that we have been provided a spirit to go with our mind and body.

>>129356033
*Tips fedora

It is not a stretch of the imagination to realize there is a world beyond perception. For example the blind simply cannot perceive things others can. Similarly humans, in general, are not be able to percieve the entirety of the universe.
Muh science can only verify what is within perception.
Suppose the was a God, no amount of science could ever root him out, since he is a metaphysical concept and not an empirical entity.
So in my mind, existence of a God is not 100 percent unlikely. So thats why Im not an atheist.
Then there is the question of unwavering faith. Certainty of God, this is only something you can obtain with medetation or mind twisting. I believe that mysticism is being deliberately destroyed in the west. There is something to be said about the peace of mind one gets with faith, and it doestn even have to be faoth in an established religion either. They are far too dogmatic.

>>129356033
you know the theory about ying and yang right? the poison and antidote? a strong man is a heavy poison, and needs its antidote. a man that doesnt need an antidote is weak as fuck

do the philosophy yourself,

>>129350052

Lol, religions are only growing because the shitskins are propagating like fuck.

That's because smart people in the west don't have as many kids as the religious people who live in shitholes like the middle east or india

>>129356627
Intelligence is an objectively good thing. The higher it is, the better.

>>129354669
>I think that the advancement is just going to do to them what it did to the west. Young populations are going to become increasingly hedonistic and will start to search for meaning like in the west.
I don't claim to be an expert but I don't think they're going to repair and develop to that point anytime soon. They still haven't stopped self-destructive cycles of violence.
They're also so fractioned that even if some bigger groups develop under governments there will still be some small group with a different view out in some wasteland that's not worth the money it would take to control.

I agree it's an inevitable evolution for just about any religion but all kinds of factors can delay it and you have other examples like cults that have some success against it.

Idk why fanatics would be more likely to be atheists in denial but then such assumptions of false belief are kinda bs in general imo. I mean I could say everyone secretly knows all religion is bullshit but that's unprovable and a useless claim.

There are multiple types of buddhism too, some are basically philosophy while others have militant extremists just like radical islam.
I'm not sure how much science destroyed christianity or any religion, more just changed its place. I mean there a people and groups and governments both christian and muslim that battle against evolutionary theory and stem cell research. They actually look at lot more similar when you look at policy and goals separate from the word "cristianity/islam".

>>129357085
You know what is interesting though?

Have you noticed that as humans grow in power they are moving less and less?

Just like god.

We can communicate through technology these days. Maybe god is just so terrified of what he created and exhausted that he gave up, OR, he actually intervenes all the fucking time but we cant perceive it at all.

But yeah, god is pretty much a neet if he is real.

Absolute power pretty much means no need for movement, why would you show up anyway?

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>>129351441
>a set of beliefs
>atheism
>a lack of belief

>>129353215
Why would you EVEN CONSIDER BOTHERING addressing such a claim?
Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.
The debate is about epistemology.
The thiests don't believe it for any underlying rational reasons, and so rational debate with them will fall flat, or 'come down to faith' IE priori assumptions used for their foundational.
"IF the bible is the accurate word of god, THEN THEREFORE it is holy and ineffable" is too accurate a line of logic, because it allows them to consider the possibility that it isn't in any way factual.

for me God is a way of life, living in accordance to reality and nature. lazy post-modernists doomed a generation because they didn't want to believe that as humans beings there are some limits to humanity currently. Stoicism FTW

>>129357503
It takes two things to be an Atheist.
1. Believe there is no God.
2. Hate him.

>>129353446
Atheism isn't 'correct' or 'incorrect', its an evaluation of claims, leading to a position on the claims, that could be held for rational (or not) reasons.
Sorry to nitpick. Cool flag, Algeria.

>>129357359
Honestly, with internet and everything the world is pretty much all time long connected and imagine being a muslim

>gay porn
>anime
>pics of muhammed
>hundreds of atheist sites
>just porn in general

also, technology essentially DESTROYS the whole system of fatwa.

How do you declare a fatwa online? You dont.

And when you dont you lose respect.

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>>129357735
>Believe there is no God
> a lack of belief is now a belief
>implying lack of belief is hatred

>>129357902
I dunno, zero still is a number.

>>129357584
>"IF the bible is the accurate word of god, THEN THEREFORE it is holy and ineffable

Ah, the good old circular logic. Occam's razor is good for that one.

>>129357735
Are you really that fucking stupid? Just curious if you were serious, or just pretending.

>>129357354
>kikes have high iq
>fedoras have high iq
It's good, goim!

>>129358069
nah, its not a -rational- number, so in some sets, it is not. Its more...a place holder. I mean, if you multiply by one, you get multiplication, wheras if you multiply by the zero set, you still wind up with the zero set.
That makes it less of a number than '0.5'.

>>129357821
>gay porn
>pics of muhammed
>hundreds of atheist sites
>just porn in general

>get told all these are evil and get your head fucking chopped off if you don't listen

You also have to consider that it's not just a one-way street. Terrorist organisations use the internet to recruit the disenfranchised people of other countries and they're very successful at it.

>>129355202
Fucking weak position, coward. No one but neets use atheism in this sense.

>>129350052
Atheist ideas are still increasing but atheists are not having anywhere near as much children.

>>129358423
0 is an integer and therefore rational.

>>129358534
Says the guy trying to move the goalposts on 'believing shit before you have a good reason to believe shit', aka what you have in the absence of a belief on any given topic.

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>>129350052
Nearly half of all LGBT adults surveyed said they were atheist, compared to 4% of the general population.

According to the Pew Research Center, those who said they were religious also attended services less often and attach less importance to their faith than other people.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/06/13/a-survey-of-lgbt-americans/7/

We all sin in different ways, but atheists want to do so without feeling guilty, so they deny the existence of who they have sinned against.

>>129358439
True. I also think they will have a lot of success with all the depressed males that feel life is worthless and cant go on. Apparently, ISIS also has a lot of converts soldiers. Still, it could prove to be a two edged blade. On one hand they can say Look!, see how disgusting modernity is? and yet they have to use that very same technology.

We had an interesting case here like months ago. A bunch of nuns installed air conditioning on a fucking 15th century church.

Talk about bizarre. they use facebook, watch tv, you name it. It just, sucks... People actually want the mystical part of the thing, i think. If islam can reclaim it, sure, they will survive i think.

>>129358859
Ask an atheist what theiyre beliefs are with respect to god. What will they answer?
>I dont beleive in god

>>129355202
>Atheism isn't a set of beliefs. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.
While this is correct, there are people in the US that treat atheism as a religion. A vast majority are probably all still believers in a god but not in one of an organized religion. They're basically part of what makes the leftists here so obnoxious as they see their own view of morality as superior solely because they aren't bound by any specific book.

>>129358859
Atheism is the view that there is no god or the negation of theism. Jesus christ it's not that hard, stop believing things from fucking atheists.org

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>>129358905
>LGBT adults surveyed said they were atheist, compared to 4% of the general population
And this is relevant how?

>>129358905
I'll feel guilty when you can actually prove a goddamn thing about your desert cult, kike-lover.
Protip: its from a pre-literate age. Better than being there in person, heresay is the BEST form of evidence!

>>129359212
No, it's the negation of theism. That's the cowards definition.

>>129351622
These screenshots are always made worse by the HILARIOUS responses being included in them. Just screen shot the original groan and let it speak for itself.

>>129359009
They also got bitches flocking to them with a whole "brides of isis" deal and then of course they can't leave once they realise it's not their fairytale dream. Even for the combatant recruits shit ain't fun though and they can literally go deals without proper food because the whole organisation is such a cluster fuck and stretched so thin. I think the more significant factor is all the funds and resources they get from those people instead of actually bringing them over.

It's fair to say isis's particular brand of religious extremism will collapse before long but it's not like that will be the end or isis was the beginning, they just splinter off, reorganise, and change the name. Losing significant leaders damages their strategic capabilities but are quickly replaced for structural and morale purposes.

>>129359076
Are you asking me? I'm an atheist.
I think that 'god' is a man-made concept wrapped up in an unfalsifiable syllogism.
If its claims were testable, faith wouldn't be an issue... instead we have something INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM a false belief.

If its indistinguishable, wheres the difference?

>>129359851
>go deals without
go days without*

>>129359345
It is a belife that there is no god.
Just like I believe there is no such thing as a unicorn.
When phrased like this it is a belief.

>>129359882
So you don't believe in god. Got it, congrats you're an atheist using the classical definition of atheism.

Could be a bad thing, because I bet most of them are joining Islam.

>>129360022
Sure, but a lack of belief is a weak way of phrasing that. I lack belief on shit I don't have info on, if I'm an atheist then I don't believe there's a god. If you lack belief in god just call yourself an agnostic and let the world know you're a coward.

>>129359851
yep. The trick is probably in "the guru" figure, or someone priestly, if they pull that off, it will succeed. But it is interesting just how religious man is, goddamn, like, feminists are worshipping mother earth to "reclaim the birthright" or something lel.

In a way modern life is quite stupid. I am not surprised to see ISIS succeeding in propaganda, but they need to be LESS tech savy not more, or it will end up just being memes.

>>129359224
It IS the negation of theism, but YOU are moving justification, and turning a disbelief into a POSITIVE claim.
You can redefine things and move the goalposts, if you like. Enjoy defeating your strawman, thats not the position.
Thiestic claims can be put into two groups;
those that are UNTESTABLE, and those that HAVE been tested, and proven FALSE.

Protip; the epic of gilgamesh was fiction. So was the story of Maui. The tale of hercules. The greek gods were fictional. This is ALL covered under the umbrella of athiesm, but its POLITICALLY expedient to make it about your monotheistic deity, because then you can address all rejections of claims under an umbrella that allows you to claim we actually 'know' a god exists and 'reject him', rather than, you know, reserving judgement until you can back up the claim that MAUI BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE GODDAMN SUN WITH A JAWBONE.

>>129350052
>The Pew Research Center's statistics

If you use Pew Research as a source, here is another important Pew Research source -

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/

Top household income in the US? Top two are non-Christian - Jews and Hindus. Then Episcopalians, which you'd expect. Then Presbyterians, which surprised me a little but not much. Next on the list are atheists, then agnostics.

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>>129350052
>Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world.
Well, not really a religion, but it's shrinking due to another reason. A massive amount of self-proclaimed atheists are fucking tools. They look for arguments and shitting on other people's beliefs.
Just fucking let people believe their own religions. As long as it doesn't kill/coerce people (eg., islam), it'll be fine.

It's not shrinking because it's shrinking, it's shrinking because nobody want's to associate with the fucking neckbeard douches.

t. atheist

>>129359276
It explains why atheism is not growing. It's followers aren't the procreating type.

>>129360735
Im not moving the goalposts, I'm using the correct definition of words you mongoloid.

>>129351766
This has to be bait.

>>129360735
Here's a protip you condescending douche, learn the difference between agnosticism and atheism.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/

>>129361044

t. gaytheist

>>129360735

>Protip; the epic of gilgamesh was fiction. So was the story of Maui. The tale of hercules. The greek gods were fictional.
>So much of a pompous jackass he actually believe that religious peoples take their religion ''literally'' when in fact literality have absolutely nothing to do with it unless you're in some fringe cult like the evangelical or the Wahhabi
>actually is dumb enough to use his own short-sighted, literal interpretation of these religions as an arguments against them
>Put Babylonian mytho on the same scale as south-Pacific pantheism

This is exactly the problem with atheist in general, you're full of yourself. Genuinely believe that nobody is wiser than you, which understandably get on the nerves of anyone who isn't openly atheist, you cobble together a ignorant clusterfuck of an opinion and then proceed to spout it as wisdom to peoples who don't know any better, for you turn into derision whoever will dare speak against your holy see. You're the worst of religion in general, with none of the good aspects.

>>129362527
To be fair, I'm harder right than 80% of this board here.
I'm just atheist and think things like morality (esp. Christian morality) aren't social constructs, but realities of our universe.

Also fuck fags. Kill them with fire.

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>>129359301
Not feeling guilty when you do wrong is a sign of immorality. This includes the sexual immorality common with atheists, and their immoral niggardliness, pic related

>>129361870
No, you DIPSHIT, and it IS you that is the dipshit here, by the way, because you're actively claiming that a lack of belief is a belief.
That is literally what you're doing.

If I lack a belief that the coin toss is heads, IT FUCKING DOESNT MEAN I ACTIVELY BELIEVE that its tails, EVEN IN A FUCKING BINARY.
Jesus, its like talking to a child, I have to spell every detail out.
Learn how to logic YOU goddamn MONGOLOID.

>>129362691
>This is exactly the problem with atheist in general, you're full of yourself. Genuinely believe that nobody is wiser than you, which understandably get on the nerves of anyone who isn't openly atheist, you cobble together a ignorant clusterfuck of an opinion and then proceed to spout it as wisdom to peoples who don't know any better, for you turn into derision whoever will dare speak against your holy see.

Wise leaf.

>>129362731
>christian morality is a reality of our universe
>is atheist

>>129362691
ITT: Projection.

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Basically a jew cult.

>>129363219
>christian morality is a reality of our universe
I should have worded that better.
Shit like "fags are not to be tolerated" isn't something made up by Christianity. There's a reason why so many religions have such a close core of beliefs: because morality isn't some fake construct.

>>129363235

And you proceed to prove me right, great job mate.

Go rim some Abos to change your mind, will ya?

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>>129362731
>I'm just atheist
>Christian morality is a reality of our universe

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>oh hey atheists, I got some made up statistics and a bunch of stock photos showing you're stupid and I fuck hot chicks ahahahah really got you now now haven't I hahaha
>are you trembling in fear atheist ahahha alollol

Oh man, you really got us now

>>129362757
Sorry, back the fuck up nigger.
You're the one talking about 'doing wrong'.
-I- was talking about sin, which is LIKE doing wrong, but isn't about the actual direct consequences of action, which is what 'regular' wrong is, but about offending the Tender Nerves of Religion, which is whatever the damn priest says it is.
Jesus wants you to give me five bucks, don't sin.

Anyway, Morals come from books and fables, I don't care anywhere nearly as much for subjective morality as I do for ETHICAL behavior.

You don't seem to realize how authoritarian your position necessarily is, perhaps.

Also, if religions are so charitable, why don't they open their books? It couldn't possibly be possible to do religion for profit, heavens no.

Such a thought!

>>129355202

You believe God is not real. Thats a belief. Its a negative assertion but its still a belief.

>>129362913
I'm sorry linguistic terminology is hard. I know believing everything you read on atheist.org would be nice but like I said, learn the difference between an agnostic and an atheist. I even sent you a link, unfortunately you probably won't be able to understand about half the words on the page, so I'll pick some parts out that I'm sure you'll be able to understand.
>Huxley thought that as many of these people liked to describe themselves as adherents of various ‘isms’ he would invent one for himself. He took it from a description in Acts 17:23 of an altar inscribed ‘to an unknown God’. Huxley thought that we would never be able to know about the ultimate origin and causes of the universe. Thus he seems to have been more like a Kantian believer in unknowable noumena than like a Vienna Circle proponent of the view that talk of God is not even meaningful.
It's probably necessary to simplify this for you so Huxley lacked belief in god because he thought it would be impossible to figure out wether got existed or not. Huxley was an atheist.
>Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.
^speaks for itself.

>>129362353
>he thinks they're mutually exclusive
Wew, kid, maybe try to educate yourself before educating others so you don't look like a retard.
Gnostic/agnostic states the certainty of knowledge and is separate from theist/atheist.
People who say they're just agnostic are hipster middle of the road faggots who want to pretend to be superior to either "side" while bringing nothing of value to the discussion.

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>>129350052
That stat makes me wet.

>>129364091
>You believe God is not real, therefore you believe

What if I say "I don't believe God exists" ?

Taking a single word out of context is not an argument. Retake your Logic 101 class from high school

>>129364091
>You believe God is not real
Don't twist words around like a fucking jew.
Some people believe in God. They make a religion for Him.
That guy doesn't believe what they do.
It doesn't make him automatically create another religion.

>>129364245
what are you even talking about?
>People who say they're just agnostic are hipster middle of the road faggots who want to pretend to be superior to either "side" while bringing nothing of value to the discussion.
Agreed, just like people that say "hurr I don't have belief in god I just lack belief.
Agnosticism is a cowards position.

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Not an argument. Not an engagement.
Not a fucking SHRED of intellectual honesty acknowledging or engaging in any SHRED of the debate, and instead attempting to provoke a discussion on personal grounds.

I don't care, you still haven't proven or justified your belief, your position, or your side of the debate.
The sad bit is that you have nothing compelling us to your position at all, and have no way of providing any means of demonstrating any of the claims of your position, so, AS I SAID,
you PROJECT your faults onto the argument.


Why does your inability to articulately defend your position as justified require you to make this discussion about me?
I don't give a SHIT about you, or your traits.
This isn't about me.

But sure, strawman a position where I believe things because you said thats what I am and do. Everyone can see what you're doing.

>>129357735
This is why i am convinced /pol/ is a Atheist board that replays as Christians i mean you cannot literally be this stupid.

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>>129358423
>its not a -rational- number
What the fuck am I reading

>>129364633
>Implying at any point you've provided an argument.

>>129365171
Math.
It's something student's here don't get to see it until they get their PHD.

>>129365602
*students
how the fuck does Chromium have autocorrect?

>>129365602
I literally teach this to 14 yearolds.

>>129364591
Some retards think it's a choice between athiest, agnostic, and theist but that's based on them being retards who don't know what they're talking about.
Agnosticism/gnosticism is about certainty of knowledge. You can be a gnostic athiest and believe that there are no gods and are certain of your knowledge, that's the type in a lot of these meme images that people try to portray as the only type of athiesm to have a simple strawman to attack. You can likewise be an agnostic theist who believes in a religion but recognises that your belief is built on faith and you can never really know for sure if you're right or not.
The trouble is retards who don't know what they're talking about and say they're just agnostic to not take sides and be superior but as I just explained that's meaningless and brings nothing to the conversation. It's the modern update for hippy speak "well man like who can say what anything is, maybe I'm a magic fairy just dreaming I'm a dirty bum".

>just like people that say "hurr I don't have belief in god I just lack belief.
I'm not the same anon from before but the default assumption is null, that's just how both science and logic work.

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>>129358423
hope this is bait

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Also Christianity isn't dying at all, and Islam is not the fastest-growing religion. Here's why:


> When muslims headcount for their religion, they round up. Meaning in Lebanon, a country with 6 gorillion, they would count all 6 million as muslim because it is a country with a muslim majority, despite the fact that about 2million of them are Christian (including 15million diaspora). If Christians counted this way, we'd have 3.5billion 'Christians' on Earth. The 1.6billion Islam figure is exaggerated, and so is its growth.
> Even if all whites on Earth (about 900million) stopped being Christian, Christianity would still be the largest religion in the world at 1.9billion, much more than Islam's inflated 1.6billion figure.
> The only thing keeping Islam alive is the apostasy death law. In Indonesia, the world's most populated muslim country (240million), 2million convert to Christianity every single year. By 2035, the worlds largest Islamic country will become Christian without firing a single bullet. Why? There is no death sentence or punishment for leaving Islam in Indonesia.
> If this law was removed, Islam would lose about 1/4 to 1/3 of its 'followers' almost overnight.
> By 2035, Indonesia will be Christian, adding over 100million to the global number. At the same time, China gains 5million Christians per year, and Russia is almost entirely conquered by orthodoxy. Even Japan is gaining hundreds of thousands. Asia will be Christian.
> Sub-Africa's population will explode, and so will the Christians. 70% of all sub-Africans are Christian.
> Even though now is a bad time for Christians in the Middle East, there is a massive underground growth of new converts. In Iran the Christian pop. rose from 50,000 to 500,000. Churches are appearing in Arabia, and 12million Christians live in Egypt.
The religion isn't dying. Europe is.
> t Leb Christian

>>129365896
I agree with everything you've written and I think it's consistent with what I've been saying in this thread. You can also be an agnostic and say "I lack belief because we simply don't know." This is the weak middle of the road position that you've stated. Describing atheism as the lack of belief is simply an incorrect definition that waters down atheism into something that is totally meaningless. The previous anon told me I was 'uneducated' implying he disagreed with something I wrote so if you have a disagreement with something I've written let me know what it is. You seem like the smartest anon I've talked to and I'd wager if we do have any disagreement it's probably because I'm not being clear enough.

>>129352317
China won't become Christian fully no, but because of its disgustingly massive population, it will be one of the largest Christian nations even if only 10% are christian

>>129354685
even the dog is fat

>>129366878
Gnostic atheism generally claims certainty of the non-existence of gods, or at least some specific gods.
Agnostic atheism is closer to a lack of belief.
I lack belief in any higher power but recognise that such things can't be disproved as much as they can't be proved.

Aside from direct internal contradictions any of the various supernatural claims COULD be true in the hippy/armchair-philosophy "well technically anything is possible" respect but they're unprovable so speculation is pointless and we go to the default null assumption.
Lack of belief is the default assumption not just for religion but for everything.

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>>129350052
You do realise this is because of the endless baby boom in africa right? Atheism is increasing it's share in the western world. Enjoy your billions of nigger christian muslims my man.

>>129368535
If europeans reject God don't blame for Africans for not doing the same.

>>129368943
What? I don't think you understood me you utter moron. I was showing that your statement that atheism is dying is very inaccurate. Why don't you send your family to cameroon muh yurope has too many fedoras I love jeebus.

>>129363883
I think "we" had (((you))) at that eyesore of a """""post."""""

>>129368377
>Aside from direct internal contradictions any of the various supernatural claims COULD be true in the hippy/armchair-philosophy "well technically anything is possible"
This pretty much sums up why agnostic atheism is a useless term. It'd be like having the qualification I'm an agnostic believer in evolution. We don't know for sure, and there's a possibility that it's wrong so I'm going to put the qualification agnostic in there so people don't think I know for sure but I *believe* in evolution. Of course in regards to religion it's different so even though I think it's a silly qualification I suppose I can live with someone saying "yea we don't know and can't know but based on the lack of evidence available I 'believe' that god isn't real. This still refers back to what atheism is though, a belief.
>Lack of belief is the default assumption not just for religion but for everything.
Lack of belief may be the default position but so what? If you've been exposed to what evidence there is for god and the lack of evidence for god then make a decision, have some conviction, have some belief. Be an atheist or a theist. Agnostic is only a justifiable position for a retard or a child.

>>129350052
Alot of people don't like the idea of their life having no meaning and then going into nothing when it ends (especially if they're poor). People want something to believe in and to make them feel special they also want hope for there to be something better for them in the afterlife. Athiesm will never take over the world human nature won't allow it. If your rich and successful with power and affirmation from others that you matter then you can be atheist. If not it's substance abuse or religion for you. Life isn't fair and people want justice if they can't get it in this life they will want it in the afterlife. You can tell them there is no afterlife but they won't listen to you. You have nothing to offer them so they don't need you.