Is teaching inmates how to code a good thing? https://www.

>>129349313
You gotta do something with busy niggers!

Everyone needs busy niggers!

Coding is becoming blue collar work, by which I mean it's overrun with immigrants driving the wages down

Teaching them any trade is good assuming they wont recommit and assuming their sentences are arguably not so egregious otherwise you have a bunch of bumbling idiots with no skills other than the skills that landed them in the slammer. Thus the deadly cycle and the never ending drain on taxpayers

>>129351126
very much this

>>129349313
No. They will be incompetent but entitled to IT positions with the general public when released.

>>129351744
This will bring the quality of apps down dramatically

>>129349313

why not teach them not to break the fucking law instead

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>>129349313
glad i passed on programming and shit.

>>129349313
How many are even getting out or even got a job so far?

>>129349313
We spend enough money trying to rehabilitate irredeemable subhuman niggers. Toss them in a hole and throw away the key.

It's a good mental exercise I guess, not necessarily something that will land them a job without affirmative action.

>>129351897
>muh apps
Trust me pajeet and Piotr already put out thousands of shit apps for every decent one

Yeah let them become internet criminals

>>129351126
this is an unfortunate truth.

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>>129349313

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Great, put them to work writing drivers for all my new hardware. That shit is super tedious, but nessecary.

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>>129349313
>prisoners recieve better education than public schools

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>>129357128
It's true. People use this as an argument to reduce the prison population, but what it shows is we're pampering these fucking niggers and making prison a place you WANT to go. We need to put them to fucking work, make money off them instead of spend money on them.

>>129349607
>the only people that use (gnu) Linux are convicts forced to as punishment

>>129357839
It's because they likely rolled their own distro with the networking components removed to prevent the convicts from using them to connect to the outside world

how do you get a white collar job with shooting people on your record though

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>>129358370
affirmative action dawg

>>129358324
>restricting this on OS level
nice one leaf

>>129349313
It's retarded to treat criminals like this, they should be rotting in their cells

You shouldn't give criminals knowledge so they go out and commit crime with the knowledge, whether it's about computers, finance, or any other field

You shouldn't give criminals access to a high calorie diet so they can bulk up their body and commit crime with it once they go out

What kind of backwards turbocuck liberal policies are these?

>>129358660
Well they may need to retain some level of functionality to keep a small LAN, cant just yank the NIC out, otherwise just install TempleOS

>>129349313
>>129349607
>everyone is actually doing work
the poor fools
they never stood a chance

>>129349313
>the-prison-coding-class-that-might-have-inmates-making-six-figures-on-their-release

They'll never be able to get a job like that due to their criminal history. Best case scenario they do some kind of tech support.

>>129358675

Say what? That logic could apply to anything they do. Exercise, reading, anything can be used for nefarious purposes with enough creativity.

The purpose of prison, or rather the guiding tenet, is rehabilitation. You rehabilitate the individual to not commit crime in the future. If you allow them to learn and become proficient at a skill set then they can thrive on the outside and become a productive member of society.

You can keep your lawlessness down there Juan. We try not to kick people when they're down up here in prosperity land.

>>129359045

That's not entirely true. Sure. It limits their opportunities but there are a lot of convicts in high positions. Look at Congress for example.

>>129349313
non-violent non-felony offenders im okay with rehabilitation. The rest can get fucked and rot, I don't care if it makes them worse, they don't desercve gibs education, they deserve hard unpaid labor.

This being San Quentin none of these qualify under those parameters.

>>129359045
Yeah anyone in IT above entry level usually has a lot of access. I doubt employers will be quick to trust felons with admin level permissions

>>129359045

I wouldn't be surprised if there are companies willing to hire them. Maybe with a longer probationary period than normal.

>>129359186
You can't rehabilitate niggers. Prison should be a deterrence, not a cushy resort. Put them on the chain gang and make them fix the pot holes in my roads.

>>129357785
Or maybe since prisons were privatized contractors have been making a buck.

>making prisons a place you WANT to go
>making prisons a place you WANT to go
>making prisons a place you WANT to go

>>129359186
>The purpose of prison, or rather the guiding tenet, is rehabilitation
No it's not. It's punishment, at least certainly for the types that go to San Quentin. Its not the governments responsibility to fix broken people.

>>129351897
>>129356613
I think it was someone's post on Reddit that said there are 500+ games released every day on Google Play. The only real way to compete is to pay for ads, with luck getting you to the top 100 spot. Of course it will be profitable but short lived.

>>129349607
> code
> CSS & HTML
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>129351126
>>129351549
>>129356839
My wage hasn't gone down. None of the 100+ programmers I know have had their wages driven down. Do you have any proof to back up your absurd claims?

>>129349313
This kind of shit pisses me off because I can't find a job, and the people who are supposed to be helping me find work or training couldn't give less of a fuck because they're jaded government employees. I pay their salary with my taxes.

Meanwhile all I have to do is commit a violent crime and they'll train me all expenses paid and find me work placement the moment I'm out of prison.

>>129357128
>>129357785
It's not like schools take care of kids 24/7. I wouldn't doubt these classes are for a handful of prisoners in a handful of prisons.

>>129359186
Isn't the other purpose of prison to isolate lawbreakers from wider society?

>>129359712

Of course it's rehabilitation. Why do you think they have these programs you fucking retard? Entertainment? Do they get GEDs in prison for fun too?

Goddamn, OPs post literally refutes your argument.

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>teach criminals how to hack
>results in more Nigerian prince scam mail
>more robo spam calls

Great job fuck nuts

>>129360003

Keywords were guiding tenet.

>>129359045
>>129359344
>>129359529
>>129359555
There are plenty of non-profits that help ex-cons. I think Homeboys or something in LA is one of the biggest. I wouldn't doubt companies also get tax cuts for hiring ex-cons.

>>129351271
This, obviously your average Trayvon is firmly committed to the criminal lifestyle by adulthood but there are enough people in prison who are able to be reformed to make programs like this worthwhile.

Also it gives them something to do all day so they're not stirring shit and making the guard's lives hell.

>>129360226
>>teach criminals how to hack
> hack CSS & HTML
cmon now

>>129349313
Can't see anything wrong with it

>>129359186
Criminals can't be rehabilitated, otherwise they wouldn't end up in prison.

Are you a liberal? Because that's the only scenario I can think when I see someone willing to give ammo to a bunch of criminals by teaching them how to commit crime in other ways and not get caught, this is what these lessons about computers, finance, and everything in between teach, you're just making criminals smarter and bulkier.

The criminals should be punished, not thrown into a literal school for improving criminal activity.

>>129359945
If we cut spending and make prison the shithole experience it should be instead of a luxury resort for criminals, Tyrone might be a bit more reluctant to rob that 7/11, and we'd have a lot more money for education, and more money in the pockets of law abiding citizens.

>>129360503

>criminals can't be rehabilitated

Kevin Mitnick and literally thousands of others would highly disagree.

>>129360135
Uh, Im not saying they don't. Im saying they shouldn't.

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>>129360426
For blacks that's like the highest level of coding attainable

>>129360762
Some criminals can be rehabilitated. The vast majority can't. The small positive result is not worth the tremendous effort and waste of resources.

>>129360976

So you think that once these people are released (nearly 50% are in there for drug convictions and a majority of those are non-violent) we should just drop them right back into society the way we found them except with the Scarlett letter attached to them?

Do you not see the idiocy of your plan?

People fuck up man. The goal is to give any willing and able person a chance to be a productive member of society. Everyone benefits from that.

Crime goes down, your insurance goes down, the prices you pay at the store go down. The more productive society is the less crime you have. It is a distinct correlation that has been proven over and over again >>129361006

>>129359645
Only 13% of prisons are private. I'm not sure on it, but I think there are more people in jail than prison.

>>129360762
>using a statistical anomaly such as a hacker as an example
Lmao

Also, I can assure you that Kevin has broken the law after his release, he's just smarter now and won't get caught

I would bet you that doing this will have coders making pseudo-minimum wage (that whole $12-$18/hr shit) a lot faster than it will have former inmates making 6 figures.

>>129360633
What does going towards spending on inmates? I would imagine it's less luxuries but more salaries for workers, security, up keep, and transportation. Schools spend $10K+ on kids, yet many still go without books and supplies, most money is for administration and up keep.

>>129361302

The concept is known as recidivism.

Programs like this solve a large majority of the problems repeat offenders claimed they encountered when first released.

>>129357126
My god I can only imagine the backlash

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>>129361436

Google it Pablo. There are countless examples. From law to entertainment to business to literally every fucking thing. A lot of people have turned their shit around.

trying to teach a bunch of guys that are terrible at math must be frustrating as shit. notice how this is to make liberal weiners feel better with a fantasy about about fictional ex-crip software developers not to teach a skill that could actually benefit them

>>129361734
Smaller cells, no tv, no WiFi, no air conditioning, rice and beans, no gym equipment or outside playground, no psychiatrists or social workers, no group therapy, no fucking coding classes

>>129359887
You forgot that everything someone says in 4chin is the absolute truth and you're not allowed to question it.

>>129362465
I forgot to add no paid in-prison labor. Mandatory forced labor.

>>129359887
Sounds like you got yourself stuck in before Indians with work visas became the norm for tech companies. Lucky you. Or you are an Indian with a visa and you don't realize you're paid less.

>>129349313
In my opinion prisons should not just teach people, but force them to work by providing means of labour, with internet its even easier now
The fact that victim very well might be feeding his offender with his taxes is just wrong, they should work to earn their living

>>129361402
Nope not the governments responsibility to play daddy because they're fuck ups. If they're felonious drug dealers absolutely not. Im assuming if youre in San Quentin you werent just a drug user, but if you are I have no problems with that then, but most drug felonies involve dealing. Anyone violent absolutely not as well.

I don't care if it does make them better. At what cost? Im sure if we blew a $1million dollars on each one of them, it would fix most of them, should we do it at that cost? Why should they get free education for going to jail when some lower class kid is struggling on the straight and narrow but has to pay for it because hes just above the poverty line.

>inb4 i dont understand
ive been to con college 4 times, you might be fixing some of them, but the massive economic cost for the small returns ain't worth it.

Vast majority of criminals are low-IQ or have some sort of brain damage. Even if they do manage to sit there and write hello world I don't think they can compete with actual professionals and their code won't be reliable.

>teaching criminals coding
Wtf now they are going to be cyber-niggers

Yes, prisoners are people too. If you don't want them to reoffend then change their lives for the better.

This seems like a huge setup. Criminal niggers coding? Yeah ok.

Whole thing is just a leftist photoshoot to waste more tax dollars.

>>129359887
>My wage hasn't gone down
Maybe, but has it gone up? Because living costs have.

Lack of wage growth is, in real terms, a pay cut.

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>>129363749
>WE WUZ PEOPLE TOO

>>129362465
>>129362853
That's been tried before, you retard. It didn't work in the 1800s, it's not going to work now. Prison has very little deterrent effect simply because people who commit crimes don't think that they're going to be caught.

>>129364223
Then why imprison them instead of just shooting them if you're never going to help them integrate into normal society?

>>129364223
>cherry-picking a video to provide ammo for his racist thoughts.
Delightful.

>>129364598
Sure, why not?

>>129351126
It's not driving the wages down its just increasingly competitive

>>129363189
>cutting off your nose to spite your face
Congrats, you're a moron.

>>129364598
Good point.

>WASTING TIME ON DIRT

I wouldn't teach them shit, this ain't a fucking high school or a hotel. Oh I committed a crime now I go to jail and learn a new trade. It shouldn't work that way, they should not be able to compete with normal society, even in the job market once you go to jail.

>>129364627
How about looking at Chicago?

>>129359755
Obviously, there's marketing involved. Just like if you start a website, you think you magically get visitors?

>>129365103
Nothing wrong with that, sometimes shit hits the fan in bigger cities, that might not be so obvious to you if you're living in alabama.

>>129364627
>He never saw local news in America

It is literally this every night.

>>129365200
>that might not be so obvious to you if you're living in alabama.
>said the anon living in the european equivalent of alabama

>>129349313
>Is teaching inmates how to code a good thing?
What is better do you want inmates to stab fellow inmates and guards with DIY shivs or do you want then to learn a skill?

>>129365332
There's plenty of foreigners in finland, but again, of course you can't see further than your own naval.

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>>129364537
We at least had our niggers under control back then. Now they're running wild. They don't give a fuck about prison. Maybe rehab could work in majority white countries, but try living with 50% niggers and spics and see how generous your bleeding heart becomes, emufucker.

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>>129365177
It's not any of them are similar to a basic Super Mario Bros game, it's usually the 10,000th clone of Flappy Bird that people will play once then forget about.

I honestly don't know how people play Age of Evilon or Mobile Strike. They all seem like clones of each other, just different settings.

which idiot is retarded enough to think that a nigger can learn programming?
what the fuck?
look how streetshitters struggle with it and nigs are a tier or ten lower than them

Alright, god damn, there's a lot of stupid in this thread.

Sentencing offenders has five goals:

1. public safety
2. punishment
3. rehabilitation
4. deterrence
5. denouncement

Custodial sentences are imposed to meet these goals along the following rationale: where an offender poses a threat to the public that can only be managed in a custodial setting, or where the severity of the crime requires that the state impose a severe punishment and also make clear that such offences will not be tolerated, a custodial sentence is appropriate. The point is that pretending prison is "just" for this or "just" for that misses the entire fucking point. Prison is not a monolithic institution it is one of a range of tools that judges have at their disposal to impose a sentence that is fair in all the circumstances.

Determining what an offender's prison experience should be CANNOT be done without considering the individual offender. Some offenders should be nerve-stapled and sent to the punishment spheres, sure. Others deserve a lighter touch. Turning prisons into gulags misses the point of sentencing just as much as turning them into pleasure palaces.

In short, none of you have any business injecting your dumb opinions into this debate. Leave it to the judge who actually presides over the case to impose the sentence.

>>129365455
I choose DIY shivs

>>129365647
>There's plenty of foreigners in finland
>89% Finnish, 5.3% Swedish, 1.3% Russian
>Less than 1% from any country that doesn't border it
Yeah you're a real melting pot

Good idea, before I had programming I had no fucking direction in life. Inb4 "nogs never change", but finding direction of interest is what breaks people out of their shitty culture

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>>129365692
>gotta git dem nigs back under control, huh cleetus
Glad to see that you draw your positions on complex public policy issues from clear and well-reasoned axioms.

>>129366047
Even if in small numbers in statistics, they're very visible on the streets and interacting with people.

You're trusting so much on statistics that you're almost forgetting to use common sense.

>>129349313
Shoplifters and traffic offenders should be taught .NET and C#.

Rapists and murderers should be taught PHP.

>>129366320
>You're trusting so much on statistics that you're almost forgetting to ignore facts and focus on feels
Silly me, my mistake

>>129365990
Me too fuck coding i can't understand it.

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>"coding"

not programming??

im assuming they will be taught by klossy the koder then

ie we shouldnt be too worried

>cd
>cd code
>cd cd
>cd ls
>cd mount
>
>

>>129366546
>common sense
>feels
Even if finns are the vast majority in finland, the foreigners still are very visible and not in small numbers at all. We might have a different image on what's a small group and what's a bigger one, but finland's still an open society for people from the all parts of the world. At least here in the capital area we have a lot of people with foreign backgrounds.

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>>129366277
Axiom: Nigs are gonna nig
Corollary: You're never going to love the nigger out of them with lovey dovey prison programs

The statistics simply don't support your lofty wish about how the world should be

>>129349313
Prisoners will not be used to complete programing work for pennies an hour just like making missile parts and license plates.

>>129367015
You're not supporting your assertions though, you fucking retard.

Congratulations, that axiom adequately explains not supporting rehabilitative programs for niggers, but it DOESN'T explain supporting gulagification of prisons - especially when there are plenty of white people (who you might recall are not niggers) also in prison.

Your "reasoning" is fucking abominable because you are a retard. Do not expect further reply.

>>129349313
>be american
>go to school
>get shot
>go to jail
>get taught how to code
what did they mean by this

>>129349313
Teaching niggers is a waste of time. White inmates (depending on crime commited obviously) still have have hope

>>129367450
Show me statistics on how successful coddling inmates is, and I'll support spending trillions on making sure they're in nigger heaven.

>>129367900
No.

You should have done research BEFORE forming your opinion, not just turned up and asked for spoonfeeding.

I'm adding your ID to the filter now. See you later.

>>129365717
Fukn saved.
Reminded me of old timey cartoons
Cheers

>>129364627
Says the Finn who has probably never seen an African in his life

>>129349313
I don't see why not. At the end of the day sitting a cubicle writing code isn't that much different from sitting in a jail cell writing code.
We should start using them for tech support while we're at it

>>129366900
You should deport all non white immigrants, save yourselves before its too late.

>>129349313
No, i don't want criminals and niggers to take my job

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>>129368261
>ring ring
>this call may be monitored for quality control puposes
>AY YO *SMACKS LIPS* WUT YO
PROLEM NIGGA?

>>129349313
I'd rather them get web development jobs than the poos when they come out, making them productive members of society.
So yes, they should learn to "code"

>>129366900
Your country is still white. Wait until you have entire neighborhoods that no one but a nigger is safe in, not even police.

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>>129369073
ahahah

>>129349313
WEE WWUUZZ CODERS AN SHIT

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>>129351126
This.
I remember a couple years ago it was a high valued skilled.
The community college in my city was pushing people to learn code as the 'way of the future.'
Now that even a monkey can code, the job market for them has plummeted.

>>129369073
Make it happen america.

>>129351126
Not getting easy $93k being;
>hunter guide assistant (2 months)
>eradication of large pest from ranches (3 weeks a year)
>grown a couple dozen plants of cannabis (sporadic throughout year)
Literally have 8 months free throughout the year with even more, good paying sidegigs paying an additional total of $34k for just 5 months;
>DJing parties/weddings/misc (once a month)
>forestry in private or public lands (8 weeks a year)
>local delivery of fresh, butchered meat (6 months a year)

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>>129349313
>Sure would like to learn how to code but I cant afford to be stuck in debt. Maybe I will commit some crimes so that I can learn for free.

FWI: I AM a software developer and I know for a fact that these are useless skills because most places have security requirements that prevent hiring of criminals.

>>129359825
they have to begin somewhere, don't they?

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>>129349313
For one, programming is an incredibly degrading job that offers 0 job security and is the vocation most plagued by ageism by a far margin. You are not respected at any normal company. Every day, some Alpha who probably does nothing at his job except get his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete the work requested. Not only that, the code rarely works, your co-workers are Indians brought in by Tata Consultancy who will replace you for half the salary and you have to train them to get your $500 severance, and the work never, ever ends. You pollute your body with the caffeinenated jew, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life game goal attainment.

It's like a postal worker, but coupled with feelings of loneliness, helplessness and total hopelessness. Programmers are too depressed to go postal, a sad state of affairs. After dentists, programmers have the highest rates of mental disorders, especially depression and suicide.

It gets worse. Women, when they hear you are a programmer, instantly reject you. It is far better to tell a woman you are on welfare than to out yourself as a computer programmer. It's highly embarrassing for a woman to associate with a programmer, as everyone knows they are the grown up version of the hopeless virgin in high school. One who never really grew up and became normal and fit into society, but rather found an environment where he could escape the reality of his situation and be invisible, able to hide the toxic shame and utter humiliation that is the programmer.

Programming's father, Alan Turing, 404'd himself with cyanide because he was a programmer. Programmers, why haven't you taken the cyanide pill and quit jewgramming and turned to a respectable and productive profession?

>>129349313
maybe, but inmates need structure and responsibility.

it would be a better idea for prisons to have small farms and for prisoners to be responsible for raising chickens and pigs and growing vegetables. then they would learn about planning for the longer term and that acting responsible will produce results. niggers have poor impulse control because they lack long term thinking. planting collard greens and waiting 5 months to harvest them will show them that the future exists.

sounds pretty basic, but it works.

coding means less time in the chapel and/or lifting.

this push for "programming" skills is a pointed push to create more muh atheism reddit STEMfags even in incarceration--maybe its just that my IQ isnt high enough but coding/programming in general is extremely un(-even counter-)intuitive and an isolating autist endeavor. the squabbling over different languages is similar to internecine arguments over which denomination of computer talk is almost religious in nature, but can be like 7839x more pretentious and condescending, if what ive seen on stackoverflow is any indication.

this push to teach low-IQ spics and nigs programming in order to give them 6 figures is so lolzy and a blatant pie-in-the-sky lie bc:

a) theyre just not going to get it for the most part, literally a waste of time

b) its a waste of time but it means more money being funneled for the prison-industrial complex as the program "catches on" across the country

c) the busywork will keep them away from more spiritual pursuits and therefore more prone to recidivism; the biggest fear of our current simp overclass are religious masculine/weathered men who can actually fight back against degenerate soibois

d) programming work isnt even being given to regular noncriminal white applicants who are actually qualified lol instead going 2 minwage h1bvee-pajeets but yea 6 figures for a felon sure k LOL

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>>129349313

We don't need coders. We need CS students with the math background to do very complicated work, such as AI.

Thousands of people playing with Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's won't build the future.

>>129372961
put the pasta away podesta

>>129366900
>but finland's still an open society for people from the all parts of the world.
wrong

>>129368498
I'm non-white myself, should i push an agenda to literally destroy my own life?
>>129369289
>but wait until..
And that's where you start to crumble, you know yourself that your arguments have failed and you're trying to push that future narrative on me, not gonna work.
>>129376059
You probably now this better as an american as me as a finn, wow.
>>129365229
>2017
>still not aware that news are intentionally cherry-picking cases to attract people like you.
Newstations are there to make money, not to cater your ideology.
>>129365717
>It was just a social experiment bro
Pro tibs: don't believe everything you see on the internet to be authentic.
>>129368202
I forgot that every poster here has at least visited africa several times.

>>129375555
>we need
Do you really think that people care what you think the "society" needs? Maybe let people decide themselves what the fuck they want to do with their lives in the future?

>>129349313
Yes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/12/us/ohio-jail-computers-trnd/index.html

>>129375555
t. muh student debnts

>>129349313
>do everything right in life
>come from upper lower middle class household
>work your way through college
>end 90k in debt, but land a job that pays $70k/yr in a small city with a growing economy
OR
>kill nigger because he was on my turf
>go to jail
>free college from taxpayers
>get out
>land job coding

Why does everyone want to reward these people for making mistakes? What insane person would rather take the straight and narrow and go through so much hardship instead of going to jail for 5 years and getting free shit?

>>129378966
Probably because if you're intentionally killing a person of color just because he was on your turf, you wouldn't get benefits like these guys do. They meant for people who really want to change, but judging from your post, you're not one of those, so you would be spending the rest of your life in jail, and that's what you deserve.

>>129378966
In civilized countries, they don't have student debnts. Admit that you're just a willing butt slave to the ruling class and stop pretending like your moral indignation makes you special.
That goes for all 320 million of you cucks.

>>129379328
>kill nigger
>go to prison
>go to church every week because nothing better to do
>go before parole board
>"I's changed massa! I got religion! I'm a good boy now!"
Looking like you "want to change" is about the easiest thing to do in the world when you literally have nothing else to do.
>They meant for people who really want to change, but judging from your post, you're not one of those
I don't want to change because I'm already a good citizen who has done nothing wrong and never will. People should be encouraged to be like me. When you incentivize certain behaviors, people are going to flock to them.
>>129379475
>free education meme
School already costs so much in this country because of the government's meddling. If you give school's a blank check just like insurance companies give hospitals a blank check, get ready for the costs to be more expensive than ever. It'll just be hidden behind 5 ambiguous taxes so that no one will ever know the true cost.

>>129349313
As if those niggers are going to get a job and make money the honest way

>>129379903
>School already costs so much in this country because of the government's meddling
>doesn't remember that education used to be nicely subsidized by taxpayers
>doesn't remember that prime public universities were ridiculously cheap
Shut the fuck up little boy and learn some fucking history instead of ejaculating your donaldspooge all over the place. Someone really needs to shoot up a school of business somewhere to shut these fuckers up.

>>129379903
So you are saying that every people should be like you that are intentionally looking for a chance to kill a black person? And change is possible if you really want to do it. I never said it was easy, don't put words in my mouth.