Gnosticism General Thread The demiurge and the archons figh

>>129299092
I thought christians considered gnosticism heresy, fun.

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>>129299241
If you're a basic bitch christian who doesnt want to develop the logos on earth, then yes: suck the pope off and be sure to be afraid of hell all day everyday instead of developing as a person.

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Holy fire for heretics.

Gnosticism = Luciferianism/Satanism

>>129299330
The current pope does no represent me or my beliefs, he is closer to an archon than to a being of good.

He said to them,
Whoever has ears should hear.
There is light within a person of light
and it shines on the whole world.
If it does not shine it is dark.

(25)
Yeshua said,
Love your brother like your soul.
Protect that person like the pupil of your eye.

(26)
Yeshua said,
You see the speck in your brother’s eye
but not the beam in your own eye.
When you take the beam out of your own eye,
then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

(27)
If you do not fast from the world, you will not find the kingdom.
If you do not observe the Shabbat as Shabbat,
you will not see the father.

(28)
Yeshua said,
I took my stand in the midst of the world,
and I appeared to them in flesh.
I found them all drunk
yet none of them thirsty.
My soul ached for the human children
because they are blind in their hearts
and do not see.
They came into the world empty
and seek to depart from the world empty.
But now they are drunk.
When they shake off their wine, they will repent.

>>129299481
A fire to consume a person of light? Bring it on.

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>>129299241
They do.


Gnosticism is a shitty death cult that believes this world is irredeemably evil. Where as Christians believe the world is fallen and contains evil, but still is fundamentally good and redeemable by God.

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>>129299496
then we agree fully?

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>>129299675
>The world is fallen and contains evil, but still is fundamentally good and redeemable by God.

Actually, that is closer to gnosticism than you may think. The world is not useless, but compared to the divine light each of us harbors. it is nothing.

nice autistic fanfiction of the bible where you just ram every new age concept and conspiracy theory into one big canon even though half of it contradicts the other half like when kids on deviant art pretend their favorite cartoons are in the same universe

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>>129299836
except its older than Christianity itself

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bump to catch any gnostics and fans of

/theholyspirit/

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one last hopeful bump

>>129299481

>t. brainlet/soullet plebinstein mcCuck

>>129301673
>soullet
HAHAHA

>>129299092
Been curious about this, but I'm not well read on it, so here's a bump

>>129299092
Gnosticism is a joke.

Gnostic since 2006, when i realized the god of the OT is a retarded asshole.

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>>129299481
Not true, fuck off buddy

>>129299092
Why do they fight if they know that they will never win? I don't understand the logic there.

>>129303824
Depends on how you look at it.
Is Lucifer and Adonios the same dude?

>>129303983
Why do we try to prolong our lives?

>>129303983
They know they have an eventual end and exist only to extract ephemeral and transient situations and suffering. They will not exist in the all as we will.

>>129299092
Gnostics are *by far* the cribgiest Christians. The most LARPy and the most personality-defective.

Yes, even more than batshit Southern Baptists and those Catholics who truly and unironicslly belive the pope is the vicar of Christ and infallible.

Yes, the idea of God and Christian scriptures can be studied and understood deeply on how pervasive they are on our mode of thought, but these Gnostic mambaies are truly meretricious little crackpots.

Please gods strike these New Age motherfuckers. Erase them from the face of these Earth.

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>>129305529
u sound full of the holy spirit and christ bro
thanx 4 being a shining lantern of the way

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Bebeare :DDD

>>129305680
You can't deny their isn't a degree of truth to the contrarianism angle. You finally concede that the supernatural is real, and even that some part of christianity might have truth, but then pick the one batshit crazy interpretation of it that was so clearly rejected by its own theology. It feels like people who want to accept something 90% of the way, but hold back that last 10% because of some stubborn headed desire to prove their own inherent greatness by desperately clinging to esotericism.

Round 2, Cathars?

>>129299481
>t. exoteric soulet retard
Pearls before swine, as the master said. This thread is not for you.

>>129305529
You talk like you've had dealings with hundreds of Gnostics. Otherwise, you wouldn't have any authority to make such generalizations.
I'm a Gnostic and i've only ever met two other gnostics. Unless you have some kind of gnostic meetup between you and your daily travels, i find it hard to believe you've had enough exposure to talk like that and be taken seriously.

>>129299585
this is a good quote

>>129300648
Gnosticism is the truth. The Archons are real, watching us on 4chan in fact. They are omnipresent, the vampire zombie force that drains humanity of its will to freedom and respect. The slave masters.

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>>129299092

>gnosticism
>demiurge
>god of material world therefore evil deity

sounds like bluepill bullshit to me

antinatalism is the true redpill

>>129305680
Like I want to have something as wretched and lowly as Christian morality and much less Christian belief. Worse than dogmatic believers are the fringe pussies who go full esoteric on already bastardized Solar religions.

A parody of a parody of a parody.

My major gripe with gnosticism is the picking and choosing of doctrine. Obviously, if there was a well-defined canon of Gnostic texts and views this wouldn't be an issue, but as is I feel it's an arrogant belief. To decide for yourself what applies and what doesn't. How could we advance to the divine through knowledge when our human biases blind our path?

>>129306851
Are you dense? Gnosticism predates official Christianity and all of that sun worship stuff. Do your homework.

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>>129306851
How is Christianity a bastardized solar religion and not the ultimate fulfillment of Adonis?

>>129306125
deus vult

>>129303502
Point and case of arrogance within Gnosticism.

>>129299092

Studied Gnosticism quite a bit back when I was taking psychedelics on a weekly/fortnightly basis with my friend.

I dropped it when my friend ended up in a mental hospital and I tried to return to a "normal" life.

>>129306803
What? Gnostics are antinatalist. They believe birth is abhorrent because the world is evil. I don't know what "pill" you think that is, but either way your argument is completely contradictory and irrelevant.

>>129306851
Yeeeah... just like with Muslims... The few self-professed Gnostics I've met were unequivocally the cringiest buffons. Your loose and irrelevant sect will believe and incorporate literally any psychobabble, Hermetic quackery or pseudo-Mysticism you can find.

Guess actually going for a religion with a strong framework like Vendata or Buddhism would actually require thinking and not being an easily deluded moron.

>>129307038
>Gnosticism predates official Christianity

Check your sources. Official Christianity predates the NT.

>>129306851
Why do you care what others are driven by?
You seem to be genuinely spiteful towards the believes held by others. I wonder why that is?

>>129307123
Christianity is messianic Jewish cultish LARPing mixed with any "pagan" crap they could find. It is a religion so weak than its source material doesn't even make for passable literature.

Since original Monolatrist and Monotheistic religions have a solar origin, Christianity does so too.

>>129307216
The New Testament includes books that the Gnostics used. What's your point? Also "Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστιkός gnostikos, "having knowledge", from γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) is a modern name for a variety of ancient religious ideas and systems, originating... in the first and second century AD." That's before anything else Christian related, homey.

>>129307210
Meant to reply to
>>129305680

>>129307123
They think because Roman soldiers for a while liked both Christianity and some solar cult that they're both the same.

>>129306971
Its the heart of gnostic teaching. Doctrine wouldn't make sense to a series of beliefs that are based on finding trough within yourself.
We aren't swayed by the "the book says it's true" mentality.
Personally, i view the texts as a doorway, or a tool. I used them, found what i was looking for, and can now walk away from them. No cannon, no doctrine, no dogma.

It also wouldn't make sense to look for contradictions. The books are full of them because everyone has their own way of finding the source of their wisdom. It would be like trying to refute that all people are humans because some people have blue eyes and others have big noses.
The books aren't the point, they are just the doorway.

>>129307425
Maybe the Gnostics were trying to warn us about the Jews being, you know, not perfect.

>>129307164
I don't believe that and I'm a gnostic.

>>129299952
And shittier too!

>>129307425
Is that why so many groups of people like featherniggers, deformed people from Australia, and pagans whine so much about Christian oppresion?

Pagan logic:
>cuckstiany is weak
>Christianity is actually pagan
>paganism is based
>paganism is European

kek

>>129306089
>>129306971
Good luck getting these religious LARPers to accept this basic point of criticism.

Gnostics are the OC Sonic fans and autostic LARPers of the religious world. A very sad world already.

>>129307123
>Point and case of arrogance within Gnosticism.
Not arrogant to someone who doesn't believe the OT god is actually the most high. Pretty obvious to me that he isn't.
If you believe he is, that's perfectly fine with me.

>>129307660
Or maybe they are the OG bronies of the world. You know, just batshit insane.

>>129307961
Pretty obvious to me that he doesn't exist either.

>>129307940
>Good luck getting these religious LARPers to accept this basic point of criticism.
The thing you don't understand is that Gnosticism can and will never be a religion. It, by definition, can have no structure.
If others have told you different, they don't know what they are talking about.

>>129308183
Does it bother you that you don't bother me?

Any good youtube videos you guys would suggest?

>>129307940
Calling everyone a LARPer doesn't make it true, unlike self-proclaimed pagans, other religious groups like Christians have actual data to prove that people believe in the religion. Most pagans are called LARPers because they do not believe in the actual religion, if anything they just enjoy the culture.

>>129307425
You didn't seem to read my comment. I don't claim that Christianity is the FIRST solar religion, merely that it's the fulfillment of Adonis as spring and rebirth (resurrection and return for brainlets).
As for passable literature, considering nearly everyone in the Western World who wrote literature considered the Bible to be so, I think you have an uphill battle here.

>>129307525
>a modern name for a variety of ancient religious ideas and systems, originating... in the first and second century AD." That's before anything else Christian related, homey.
....no it's not. Are you defining eveything pre-nicean creed to be gnostic?

>>129307644
>Doctrine wouldn't make sense to a series of beliefs that are based on finding trough within yourself.
I understand that, but a doctrine based on inner knowledge doesn't seem like it'd get you very far. First off isn't it counterproductive to even use external books to find internal knowledge? At that point you're leading the witness. Secondly, the only mystical truth thats purely inside is I think therefore i am. Anything higher requires a leap of faith, which are best managed with organized doctrine.

>>129308239
Stay away from anything over two hours with pretty infographics and scary predictions. Gnosticism is unfortunately filled with conspirators who never even agree with each other, but somehow think it's appropriate to evangelize the masses anyway.

>>129308265
this

>>129299675
Gnosticism is a stupid term, there are many different schools of thought that are labeled gnostic. The God of creation isnt evil and neither is the material reality, this world is a school for the soul to learn and develope

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>>129308239
Unfortunately no. I'm sure some exist, but if you are looking for some kind of consensus teaching, you won't find anything but a honeypot.
It's meant to be much more personal than that. If anything, pick up a copy of the Nag Hammadi library.

>>129307940
I'm fine with religion, as long as its sincere Catholicism.
>>129308186
>The thing you don't understand is that Gnosticism can and will never be a religion. It, by definition, can have no structure.
If others have told you different, they don't know what they are talking about.
Truth exists, at least that much you can agree. If it does, there has to be a correct and incorrect way of pursuing it. There is a difference between a religion that imposes a way to truth, and religion that acts as the natural expression of it.

seek the nazirite oath

its no coinky dink that gnostic texts were rediscovered in the age of the swazi

>>129299092
fuck off heretic

>>129308394
>First off isn't it counterproductive to even use external books to find internal knowledge?
First off, that's a mistake. The books are intended to lead you to the knowledge within. I take nothing i read as truth. If someone handed me a hammer and told me to build a house, i wouldn't be worshiping the hammer. Leave that for the evangelicals.
>Anything higher requires a leap of faith, which are best managed with organized doctrine.
Thats where we get into the Sethian thought that gnosis can only be found by those of the pure bloodline. The way i take that is that only certain people are capable of finding it, as most people flee from any kind of self-reflection.

>>129308521
>there has to be a correct and incorrect way of pursuing it.
There is. Pursuing it is the correct way.
That's it.
Look at it this way. Say spiritual enlightenment can be found through some magical doorway in the mountains. How you get there is up to you. You can walk, run, climb, take a plane. To say that everyone must walk would be dismissive of the point.

To further the point, look at the Ophites. They believed the way to enlightenment was to first experience the worst of themselves. They were told to go out and kill and steal and rape. That way they would have a basis of comparison to grow from. Crazy shit, but that's what they believed in.

>>129306089
The way is narrow bruh, mainstream western christianity is itself a circus show. It's not about a superiority complex, its about the truth

>>129308394
You take such a contrived and empty idea like "the fulfillment of Adonis" seriously and I'm the brainlet.

It's a mind solid waste facility as literally anything can fit in it and nothing can be even loosely falsified. More worthy religions such as the Dao or Zen at least have guidelines and things which fit inti it and things which don't. Gnosticism? Bring your own bullshit!

Hint: your New Age esotericism is the Postmodern Speech Generator of thought. It's on par with indecipherable and Obscurantist 20th century French philosophers for worthlessness.

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>>129308735
>I take nothing i read as truth.
That seems fairly untenable.

>Thats where we get into the Sethian thought that gnosis can only be found by those of the pure bloodline
Not sure how this is related.
>most people flee from any kind of self-reflection.
Again, self-reflection can bear one answer, and one answer only. I think, therefore I am. Anything else requires a leap of faith. There is no process to deep inner knowledge that does not involve a leap of faith.

Sincere Catholicism is the only leap of faith with productive results. Its like the square root of -1. Not possible within our world, but believing in it anyway allows complex analysis to be performed.

>>129308399
Unfortunately, most would view any kind of lower vibrational reality to equate to being evil. It can lead to more evil, but in my experience, Good and Evil don't really exist.
I prefer Beneficial vs. Detrimental.

>>129308232
No. Do you realize /x/ is also a containment board. You'll feel right at home there.

Unlike in /pol/ every thread there is tailores to your tastes...

>>129309388

Why do you fear the unknown?

>>129309388
I'm not even gnostic, i'm catholic (technically RCIA candidate). You mentioned that Christianity is a solar bastardization, and i brought up the fairly basic point that its the fulfillment of the prophecy, not a copy of it.

Also, >implying obscurant philosophy is useless

>>129309424
>Again, self-reflection can bear one answer, and one answer only. I think, therefore I am. Anything else requires a leap of faith. There is no process to deep inner knowledge that does not involve a leap of faith.
This statement makes it clear that you've never practiced it yourself, as that "inevitable conclusion" sounds more like copypasta from a very sour psychologist.
There are a million different answers to find with self reflection. It's intended to be tailor-made for your situation.

>That seems fairly untenable.
Conversely, i take everything i read as truth. Dualism is a bitch.
In my view, everything ever made by man contains at least a hint of truth. Knowing that man has crafted it introduces an inherent disconnect, and should therefore never be viewed as absolute truth. Sorry for the mixup.

>Sincere Catholicism is the only leap of faith with productive results.
By your rules, I must be a Sincere Catholic. I've experienced productive results.

>>129307210
>Buddhism

Being asleep is a virtue. Kys.

>equating Vedanta with Buddhism.

Vedanta is Hindu, you twat. Also, I very much like Advaita Vedanta, and find it extremely complimentary to Gnosticism. Hermetic texts are brilliant. You don't know anything about anything.

>judging an entire theology on your perception of the skim few retarded douchebags who would even be retarded enough to talk to a douchebag like you.

If you read this you will get AIDS and die.

>>129309049
And this is wrong, unless you are a moral relativist, in which case you deny truth, as truth and morality are mere expressions unified Will of God. Actions violate morality. Moreover, the truth you are promising is wrong. The material world is not fundamentally evil.

I don't fear the unknown. What I fear is the normalization of quackery.

>>129309803
So you don't even know how to read or parse English grammar. Whre did I equate Vendata with Buddhism you worm?

>>129309786
Give me an example of an inner truth that does not require a leap of faith.


Obviously you can't use the one i used earlier

>>129309841
>normalization of quackery
>doesn't realkze this is already happened and that he's one of its consequences.

>>129309925
>religion with a strong framework like Vendata or Buddhism

Right here, you dirty dumb faggot.

>>129309822
>The material world is not fundamentally evil.
I never said it was.
I tried to make the distinction earlier that Good and Evil don't exist, and aren't all that productive.
I prefer Beneficial vs. Detrimental. How we know the difference is what we aim to discover. Gnosis is the answer for the Gnostics.

In no way do I deny an absolute truth. The problem is, truth is perceived differently to everyone. To someone with a particular colorblindness, the sky isn't blue. Just because they see it as gray, doesn't mean it isn't blue. But to them, gray is truth. How then, can we communicate that truth to them except by tailoring the message to accommodate that handicap.

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>>129307164

most gnostics were breeders despite the fact that they believed the material world was evil. they are like buddhists who believe that life is suffering but still breed.

>>129309841
Luckily for you, i have no interest in normalizing anything. You can rest assured that Gnosticism will never dominate any kind of thinking.

>>129309993
>Give me an example of an inner truth that does not require a leap of faith.
When I realized i was a coward and that I should find the root of my issues to overcome them.
That's the kind of truth I'm talking about. It's all very personal.

>>129310177
>Good and Evil don't exist
>In no way do I deny an absolute truth. The problem is, truth is perceived differently to everyone.
Dropped. This is relativism. Truth is a knowledge in accordance with the Divine Will, and goodness is expression in accordance with Divine will. You can't have one without the other.

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>>129310338
Fair enough. I suppose we're operating on different frequencies here. Good luck with your journey, hope to see you in mass someday.

>>129310338
>>129310235
Thanks for taking up the gnostic cross while i was away. Good stuff in a thread I thought was dead.
For other people in this bread:
Gnosticism has a drama that is intense, and may at times call matter "evil", but its made quite apparent that not for this 'demiurge' and sophia, WE WOULD NOT EXIST.

Le evil demiurge should really be 'le incompetent demiurge who is being used by the holy spirit to give life to the logos and man so he aint so bad TBQH'

>>129310362
I have no intention of "bringing you to my level", as you seem perfectly functional in your own place, and that's really what matters.
You seemed to have cherry-picked my post to find something you could refute. I said that absolute truth exists, but our perception of it is skewed from person to person.
Take two people with opposing viewpoints (this is an extreme simplification). Two men stare out across the ocean as the tide comes in. One says the ocean is returning, the other says the beach is being swallowed. Both are correct, yet neither are commenting at the scientific truth of it.

>>129310570
>Good luck with your journey, hope to see you in mass someday.
Hah! Nice one.

>>129310607
>Le evil demiurge should really be 'le incompetent demiurge who is being used by the holy spirit to give life to the logos and man so he aint so bad TBQH'
Good way of putting it, though the danger is that he realllly wants to be worshiped.

You need to read Against Heresies to understand how bullshit Gnosticism was. Charlatans interpreted scripture badly and sold their ideas to dupes as "secret knowledge." Saint Irenaeus saw through these guys and tried to warn us.

>>129307134
What happened to your friend? What was the issue?

>>129311174
Kek
Iranaeus's job was to help build consensus so that a singular message could be spread.
Basic logic dictates that the council of Nicaea was proceed by a literal slaughter of those who didn't fit the intended narrative.

>You need to read Against Heresies to understand how bullshit Gnosticism was
>You need to watch CNN to see how Bullshit Trump is.

>>129299092
Protestantism is neo-gnosticism with muh personal relationship

Not all the material world and matter are bad, psilocybin was clearly created by Sophia herself.

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>>129311800
As was pic related.

>>129311006
> cherry-picked
Because i didn't address what you are repeating here? Individual experiences are not differing version of truth, they are mere segments of a same, cohesive truth. The differences that arise between individuals interpretations is due to preexisting differences within people, and consequently their faculties in perceiving But this does not mean that truth itself is mercurial, it is and forever is consistant. It is the difference between two instruments that are perfectly identical having different results, which would be wrong, and one instrument measuring temperature, and another luminosity, and them having differing results, which is to be expected.

The point again I make is how can Morality be relative, but not Truth. If knowledge is fixed, the expression of it is as well.

>>129311739
>Protestantism is neo-gnosticism with muh personal relationship
Unfortunately, the new age movement is the closest approximation to neo-gnosticism.
What went wrong?
Dogmatic approach to the teachings, along with an attempt at a "one size fits all" method.
Some idiots read the Nag Hammadi and thought they should start a religion based on the practices of personal growth. Now we have enlightenment-through-yoga, enlightenment-through-veganism, and enlightenment-through-kale-enema.
>Cant find peace without it!!!

>>129303824

A Luciferian with Davids star?

>>129312387
It's upside-down. That means it's satanic.

>>129311931
>The point again I make is how can Morality be relative, but not Truth. If knowledge is fixed, the expression of it is as well.
Morality is whatever it wants to be, and whatever it is perceived to be. Just another attempt by a flawed mankind to define un-flawed behavior.
>Individual experiences are not differing version of truth, they are mere segments of a same, cohesive truth.
I suppose we are saying the same thing here. I can't disagree with this.
In fact, I find it hard to disagree with most of what you wrote, with the exception of the morality part. I am forced to see morality as a shifting and changing thing, not because it should be, but because of the preexisting differences you described above.
I do believe there is a perfect morality, but I don't think mankind is capable of practicing it perfectly, due to our separation from god.
Most Christians have different names for it, as original sin seems to fit the bill pretty well, but from my point of view, that original sin is more of a necessity.
We must exist in the physical, therefore we must exist in a lower "vibration" than the all. I can understand how that can equate to original sin.
>If knowledge is fixed, the expression of it is as well.
I disagree. Though it's entirely possible that the expression of knowledge is skewed by our separation.

>>129299092
Modern gnosticism is the worst kind of larping, ancient gnosticism was just bullshit and gay

Pro-demiurge/anti-sophia or ant-demiurge/pro-sophia - bluepilled gnostics.

Pro-demiurge/pro-sophia - redpilled dnostics

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>muh secret knowledge

>>129312660
>Modern gnosticism is the worst kind of larping, ancient gnosticism was just bullshit and gay
What is modern Gnosticism and how does it differ from ancient Gnosticism.
>in before Modern = worst larping
>in before Ancient = bullshit gay.

So gnostics believe that God will actually reach out to them in order to confirm to them that He exists? Sounds to me like they just can't take living in the world that God created and are looking for a way out.

>>129312606
But why does knowledge posses a fixed, eternal quality, but not morality. You at least concede in an object morality, but why is it of a lower order of existence than knowledge? I still believe that morality, truth, as well as other things like beauty or justice, are expressions of the same, unchanging source.

As for the rest, the theology doesn't make sense to me. Adam and Eve, Christ, and His mother are all created sinless. As for the latter two, they continue their lives in a sinless state. Its possible, and the reason being is because flesh was not initially corrupted.

You are looking at small examples of apparent discrepancies and reducing everything to relativity. Yes knowledge and morality can superficially look relative, but a single glance at the world reveals at least ratable patterns. Can exceptions to murder exist for self defense, sure, but the vast number of occasions it remains abominable.

As for the rest, the theology doesn't make sense to me. Adam and Eve, Christ, and His mother are all created sinless. As for the latter two, they continue their lives in a sinless state. Its possible, and the reason being is because flesh was not initially corrupted.

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>>129306255

hello my fellow initiate.

>>129313108
That's how it starts.
Believe me, that's how it started for me and i make no bones about it.
>So gnostics believe that God will actually reach out to them in order to confirm to them that He exists?
Kind of, but i don't think it's the intent.
Imagine praying for god to show you that he's real by knocking your mailbox over with a magical unseen force, except you clearly see his hand reaching down and flicking it over.
His existence proven is more of a byproduct of other experiences.
That's an inflated example, of course, but it kinda touches at the heart of it.

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>>129312751
>Modern gnosticism

Marxism.

>>129312587

Look closely it is not a Pentagramm it is a Hexagramm aka the Davids Star.

>>129313108
yeah no shit, nobody wants to stay in this world -- they want to be with God in heaven. fucking retard how can you possibly construe that as a bad thing.

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>>129299675
Gnosticism makes distinctions between the material (hylic) and the knowing of the higher "aeons" and provides a path on which the higher becomes known. The gnostic cosmology contains parabels for things like 'projection of the mind'. I'll use this as an example. Projections cause distortions of thinking and of emotional, spiritiual responses. Thus they cause harm. But the 'knowing' of these matters allows to reach a higher order of thinking where one becomes aware of such distortations and can circumvent them. The whole demiurge concept is often misunderstood by reading things literally. Many gnostic text explicitely state that it is not meant literally.

>>129299092

The Gospel of Thomas and and Judas are well studied and considered fake. It makes sense when you consider the time they were made. Judas is 100% fake written by Muslims and Thomas was written under heavy influence of the Neoplatonism thought school which emerged at around 300 A.D.

About Philip I dont know a lot but probably fake as well. The canon of the bible is very carefully select to no distort our saviors message.

>>129313372
It was a joke, Hans.

>>129313244
>As for the rest, the theology doesn't make sense to me. Adam and Eve, Christ, and His mother are all created sinless. As for the latter two, they continue their lives in a sinless state. Its possible, and the reason being is because flesh was not initially corrupted.
I would dissagree that flesh was not initially "corrupt", again, citing my example from earlier that i believe flesh must always be "corrupt", meaning less than perfect.

As for Morality, I don't see morality as an extension of perfection in the same way i don't see perfect reading comprehension as being necessary to getting the point of a piece of literature. Our comprehension certainly doesn't change the words on the page.
I believe morality is just our attempt to reaching that perfect truth in action.
We just differ in definition of the word, is all.
In my opinion, truth existing in perfection kind of makes morality ambiguous. I always took it as a direction for mankind to follow, not an absolute, since there is so much room for interpretation.

>>129313325
Wow, i must be a shitty Gnostic.
Marxism is trash.

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>>129313377
>yeah no shit, nobody wants to stay in this world

And this why you suck. Consider the triumphant Pascha chant

>Christ is risen from the dead
>Trampling over death by death

Gnostics invert this by seeking to run away from the crucifixion, to run away from the straight and narrow path and steal your way into heaven. Well you don't get that.

>>129313635
Murder sucks
-Einstein.

Einstein never said that, therefore it can't be true.

>>129299092
The original red pill is atheism (preferably agnostic atheism). There's no evidence supporting the existence of god, and a truly red pilled person would understand that the purpose of religion is to control you.

>>129313722

As you may know we Germans are not able to process "jokes".

>>129313301
Only a bad person would bother God with prayers like that.

>>129313879
>Gnostics invert this by seeking to run away from the crucifixion, to run away from the straight and narrow path and steal your way into heaven.
It's fun having people tell you what you believe.
How many Gnostics have confirmed that in your dealings with them?

>>129314000
>Only a bad person would bother God with prayers like that.
I agree, hence the caveat.
Its a stupid request, but an attempt at making a point.

>>129313916
That takes the bad elements of gnosticism and intensifies them. You think that you can just sit there and refuse to believe in anything without evidence, as though the truth is obligated to be spoon fed to you. You have been made aware of who God is, but you turn against Him out of personal pride. That is abominable.

>>129313108
No, they teach how to free oneself from distortions of the mind. Then one becomes increasingly able to perceive aspects of god. The work has to be done by oneself. God does not reach out, he is there if one looks.

>Sounds to me like they just can't take living in the world that God created and are looking for a way out.
This is quite correct. The hylic (material) world is just an aspect of this world. We humans have emotions and spirituality. The gnostic teachings makes such distinctions but the whole world includes the material, emotional, spiritual. The higher mental states (and parts of the world) require a lot of work to be perceived. If one does not do the work, he will stay on the material plane.

If a man thinks of his possible future, having a wife and children. He then plants a seed of a tree knowing that his son/daughter will have a grown tree. This is an example of leaving the material plane.

Satanic lies, avoid.

"See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ."
(Colossians 2:8)

>>129314090
I think that it's wrong to pray for anything material. Don't bother God with human affairs. It's only natural that, the more you make prayers like that, the more times you'll notice them coming to fruition. It's correlation but not causation. I could pretend that I'm mentally influencing a crowd of people to accidentally drop change on the street, then use every instance of change being dropped to reinforce my belief that it works.

>>129313915

If you try to sell your "truth" with a well known name to increase the impact of your message you highly oppose the meaning of "truth" itself. You can not claim the truth for you if you built your "church" on a lie at first. Truth speaks always for itself and therefore does not need to be distorted by your own will to grow the influence of your message. Because if it would be true, you would not need the holiest man ever lived to make sure it will be read.

Not sure if expressed myself clear and articulate I beg your pardon anon.

>>129313377
You realize that God made this world, right? He also certainly didn't intend for it to be Heaven 2: Electric Boogaloo.

>>129313635
>The Gospel of Thomas and and Judas are well studied and considered fake.
Ah yes, the "Fake News" theme is quite persistant

>>129314242
You're speaking in riddles. Humans having emotions changes nothing about their circumstances on this earth.

>>129314279

This. Though some of the ideas presented are still valuable but should be read with a lot of knowledge beforehand.

I´d suggest to learn the history of philosophy since 3000 AD, then history itself, then you should learn the history of humanities studies and art. And also should be used to higher math and physics. And after you all done this you may read gnostic text.

>>129314337
Perhaps a bad analogy, as I seem to have underestimated the level of awareness of the people in this thread.

>I think that it's wrong to pray for anything material. Don't bother God with human affairs.
I think its wrong to pray for material things, agreed, but I very much disagree that he shouldn't be bothered with human affairs. I think that distinction comes with out assumption that earthly consequences are all that important. I don't believe they are.
>I could pretend that I'm mentally influencing a crowd of people to accidentally drop change on the street, then use every instance of change being dropped to reinforce my belief that it works.
Sure you could, and you are free to interpret it any way you want. If you didn't want it, you may not have seen all that change drop. You wanted change, you got change. Doesn't matter if it was gonna happen without your influence or not, the fact is, you wanted, you got. If you didn't want it, you wouldn't have cared about it, therefore you would have ignored it.
Not to say that the mere thought of something makes it reality, it doesn't. But it might make us more aware of the things that are going on around us.

>>129314360
>Not sure if expressed myself clear and articulate I beg your pardon anon.
You did, very well in fact.
Unfortunately, the point was misdirected.
I was trying to say that just because Einstein didn't say that, doesn't make it any less true. It was in response to the post about some of the gospels being "proven false".
Guess what, Moby Dick isn't a true story, yet it contains a lifetime of truth.

>>129314482
>Humans having emotions changes nothing about their circumstances on this earth.
Knowing about these emotions and how they work on oneself and others does however change the circumstances on earth.

If you smile to another person, he will respond accordingly. If you don't know that you always have a sad face, then you might think most people are sad, because they also respond accordingly. Therefore knowing does change the circumstances.

>>129314403

Seems like you cant entertain dialectic thought. You may consider learning about the circumstances around the gnostic text than rather accept them as they are and their message. You may find it curios that Judas Gospel is the only one which tell of the arrival of prophet Mohammed and the gospel found by a Muslim.

And as I said the thought school presented in Thomas contradicts Jesus as the Logos incarnate. The focus of Thomas is an inner mysterious world very similar to Neoplatonism and it breaks the fundamental law of non contradiction.

>>129312737
Proverbs 25:2
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

guess the bible must be heresy then.

>>129299092
DELET THIS THREAD THIS IS HERESY

>>129314836
>Seems like you cant entertain dialectic thought
I am not experienced in it and don't have a refined concept of it. Thanks for the hint.

>>129314988
Shit, hes got the digits.
Heresy indeed!

>>129314753
>Moby Dick isn't a true story, yet it contains a lifetime of truth

Yes I 100% percent agree with it though would argue that in the case of the gnostic Gospel you purposefully deceit your fellow people for the good of your message and that is no foundation of truth.

The whole LARPy mythology is a Jewish trick to disguise true Gnosticism.

True gnosis is merely knowing that God exists.

>>129315042

I appreciate your post and how you handle criticism. Very well anon.

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>>129299092
Fellow gnostics. I would like to bring a Key point in the ideology of our scriptures.

Many of us confess on Christ, that he was the son of God, who died for our sins. but its taught that the old testament God is the Devil. I find this to be preposterous, and not backed by the scriptures.

The Old testament PROMISED us Jesus Christ in the first place, Christ validates the text as his word, and no where in the Gospels does it indicate that Yahweh is the Demiurge. The Demiurge has a name, and its Yaldaboath. In "On the Origin of the World" it dicatates that while Yaldaboath created the archons, including Saboath Yahweh, Yahweh repented to the fullness, and became part of it forsaking his father, and his fathers archons.

just something to reflect on.

>>129314836
>You may consider learning about the circumstances around the gnostic text than rather accept them as they are and their message. You may find it curios that Judas Gospel is the only one which tell of the arrival of prophet Mohammed and the gospel found by a Muslim.

So you are saying the nag hammadi texts are forgeries ? Or that the particular text was put in with the others ?

Most scholars call the nag hammadi texts authentic. If some text was added later, this would certainly be mentioned.

Anyone who has read the Bible can't argue that the "God" of the OT is the same as Jesus' God

>>129315107
The fact that i have no interest in seeing Gnosticism propagate kind of makes that point moot. There are plenty of other avenues to the same destination, and i know that it wouldn't work for 90% of people.
Worked for me, wont work for most.
And again, as with my previous posts, i take nothing in the gospels as truth to be revered. I found truth in my own interpretations, but a concrete read will reveal nothing but confusion.

>>129314633
Give me an example of these influences of God that people should be aware of.

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>>129314836
>And as I said the thought school presented in Thomas contradicts Jesus as the Logos incarnate.

this has to be the biggest lie I've ever heard about the gnostic scriptures.

>>129315140
>True gnosis is merely knowing that God exists.
Thats a incorrect simplistic view.

You know a super market exists but it does not feed you. You have to go there, buy something, go home and cook your food. You have to clean and digest.

>>129314850
Nope, just your secret personal interpretation of it

>>129315311
>Give me an example of these influences of God that people should be aware of.
In what kind of context?
I see god when i look out my window. Hell, i see him staring at the wall whilst taking a shit. I can't not see it.
This won't be satisfying anyone's curiosity, though, as they want something miraculous and wonderful.
That's the problem. The wall in my bathroom is miraculous and wonderful, as is the view outside my office.

This is precisely the reason why Gnosticism can't be taught. It has to be discovered personally.

>>129315244
>So you are saying the nag hammadi texts are forgeries

Yes, indeed. People selling their "truth" with the name of Jesus Christ the son of God and our savior to increase the impact of their message. They purposefully deceit people... maybe for the good maybe for the bad. But it is highly likely that they were not Thomas nor Judas and that they did not give account of the message of Jesus Christ. The canon of the bible in that regards has been carefully selected, though this does not make the ideas presented in the gnostic texts valueless.

>>129315533
>You know a super market exists but it does not feed you. You have to go there, buy something, go home and cook your food. You have to clean and digest.
There's plenty in the NT that backs up your point perfectly.
Works!

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>>129315789
valentinian

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>>129315573
>personal study of the word of god is heresy

man, its almost like the catholic church is the apostate, false prophet, and the whore of babylon

>>129315660
>Yes, indeed. People selling their "truth" with the name of Jesus Christ the son of God and our savior to increase the impact of their message.
You appear to be confusing Gnosticism with a religion that actually wants to grow. One of the reasons it was lost for so long was that so many Gnostic refused to proselytize, and for good reason.

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>>129315921
Gnosticism doesn't preach because potato sons of the demiurge can't into religious tolerance among other factors

>>129315532

Sorry anon but Neoplatonism contradicts Logos. Jesus Christ is the Logos incarnate therefore what?

I am a laymen for sure and no theologian, though the text have been very well studied and are considered fake among the scholars. And their arguments make a lot sense beside why should Thomas the most critical and doubting of Jesus disciples become an esoteric Mystic?

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>>129315952
suivant

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>>129315989
Fin

>>129315636
The truth doesn't change from person to person. If there's any merit to your belief system then you should have some examples of these miraculous things.

Gnostics...the OG heretics.

>all this heresy

Friends! Friends! Friends! Pagans and Non-Catholics all

Go to the Catholic Church and pray before a Eucharistic Adorition (or just a statue or image of Jesus), dearly beloved ones, and pray just ONE PRAYER and you'll get full 100% proof and response of God through his son, Jesus Christ.
And when things happen (and they will) remember that it was a CATHOLIC anon who told you this (and make of THAT what you will).

Knock and it shall be opened - but you have to knock!
Seek and you shall find - but you have to seek!

Also, if you want to somewhat maximise your holy life I'd suggest attending the First Friday Masses from now on. Attend the mass of the first Friday of nine consecutive months and Jesus will be with you on the hour of your death
(plus extra cute blessings, yay!)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Friday_Devotion

Get right with God today. He DIED for YOUR sins, and EVEN NOW he still waits for you in open arms - no man is impossible from redemption!
ONE PRAYER folks!


HOSSANAH IN THE HIGHEST!
BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!

HOSSANAH IN THE HIGHEST!!!!

>>129316047
Oh christ, not this again.
Sorry, anon. I just finished this same argument with a catholic.
Truth doesn't change. Correct.
Interpretation of truth, or in your case, unwillingness to accept truth, does change from person to person.
Your haircut is an example of a miraculous thing, even though i can't see it while i shit.
I have no interest in changing your mind. If you don't like it, don't believe it.
Have fun.

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>>129315978
>Sorry anon but Neoplatonism contradicts Logos

you're going to have to explain this, because from where I'm sitting you just became more, and more fallacious.

>I am a laymen for sure and no theologian, though the text have been very well studied and are considered fake among the scholars

yeah, and there are many scholars who consider to be the bible fake. whats your point?

>And their arguments make a lot sense beside why should Thomas the most critical and doubting of Jesus disciples become an esoteric Mystic?

these are the thoughts of men, and not the thoughts of God.

the thing is the bible can be used to validate the thoughts/ideals that the gnostic gospels put forth.

>>129316012
You are deliberately swapping out the serpent Satan with Jesus and renaming the tree of knowledge of good and evil with the tree of knowledge to manipulate the story.

>>129315882

You cant give account of what you personal think is true, wrap it as Jesus Christ personal account and then sell it as first hand testimony, while you just use Jesus Christ as a rhetorical figure!

Jesus Christ is more than a rhetorical figure which you can use as thou will. That is satanic anon.

That makes you a liar, beside the possible value of your message. Like the other anon said people always manages to get "truth" out there and did not abuse the name of Jesus Christ.

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>>129316155
This is now a catholic thread. All gnostics report to your local inquistor.

>>129306851
During the start of the pizza stuff I found a gnostic online, that provided me with tons of material. I've heard about it before, but never knew what it was.

>They have our runes, but they don't know their meaning

Tons of material there that he could provide, I found it very interesting. Some sort of crossing, but the Gods should know he actually provided information about the case. A very based and intelligent old man.

>>129316012
What were these portraying? Neo-Platonism?

>>129316155

I´d highly suggest trying what this anon proposed.

>>129316293
>you
He didn't do anything but put one of the many Gnostic creation myths into a storyboard. It's a pretty close interpretation as well, if you want to take it all literally.

>>129316379

Valentinian gnosticism

>>129316293

You worship the devil.

>>129316231
>>And their arguments make a lot sense beside why should Thomas the most critical and doubting of Jesus disciples become an esoteric Mystic?

I'm pretty sure the gospel of thomas, and its collections validate the existnece of Jesus as the son of God, and Thomas isn't the only mystic, John is one too.

your arguing from a point of what "people say ABOUT the gospels" rather than letting the gospels speak for themselves.

there is nothing in the collection of thomas that contradicts the Idea that Jesus is the Logos, and they do quite a bit to even validate the idea.

>>129316417

It's not mine, it's from an anon from /x/

>>129316451
You have more like this?

>>129316330
You are a silly, angry person.
You can't seem to grasp the concept that I couldn't care less if anyone besides my self believes what I do.
>You cant give account of what you personal think is true.
My experiences are true. Don't give a fuck if you don't believe me.

>>129316467
Says the guy who worships the serpent called Satan which is translated to Diabolos in Greek.

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>>129316079
>Jesus was called a heretic by the pharisees
hmm really makes me think.

>>129316538
Point being, he was accusing you of coming up with the whole thing.

>>129316574

No, the anon that was making them got tired.

>>129315660
>People selling their "truth" with the name of Jesus Christ the son of God and our savior to increase the impact of their message.

I agree with you there. I've read many gnostic texts and I do think some are misleading either because the authors did not understand or because it was intentional.

But it has to be considered that the gnostics did not last long enough to weed out bad teachings. And there are many texts lost forever. So it is unfair to call them out for it, when it was the orthodox church that suppressed them.

My experience with the gnostics texts was, that they became a "key" to unlock meanings of the bible which I consider substantial of it's message. And while the gnostic texts are difficult because of all the variations and sects, there is truth to be found in them.

damnit I can't find my folder. It's funny one of their creaturs is a mix of a cat, frog and a human head which kinda looks like putin with a crow, and it has spider legs. I don't got it nor do I remember what it was.
>I read that shit for hours, it was so strange, a touch of ásatrú there, just a touch

>>129316231
>you're going to have to explain this

Logos cant be translated on just one word but it is an order you can figure out using reason. The highest order one arguably call god like John said:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Expect he did not used the word "word" he wrote in Greek and used Logos.

This far I´d say I am being reasonable and understandable?

The chaos which emerged at around 300 A.D led to a philosophically thought school called "Neoplatonism" mainly under Plotin and pupils. He offered a way to a mysterious inner and relative world with his ideals. Understandable given the circumstances of a very chaotic time. Though he was the first "Philosopher" who violated the law of non contradiction which is inherently NOT reasonable. He e.g. gives God contradicting characteristics to mention only 1 thing but this whole school lead people away from the Logos incarnate, Jesus Christ, making them flee to an inner refuge. But the Logos teach us differently: Observe, articulate, act accordingly.

>>129316580
>You are a silly, angry person.

Dont let us argue ad hominem.
You are on a good way anon. Our lord is calling for you. Your resentment towards me you are showing is only the beginning of process.

As I said the message of the gnostics may remain valuable their nature is not regarding abusing the name of Jesus Christ, giving false testimony.

>>129316841
>My experience with the gnostics texts was, that they became a "key" to unlock meanings of the bible which I consider substantial of it's message. And while the gnostic texts are difficult because of all the variations and sects, there is truth to be found in them.

I am with you anon. As God is with you.

>>129317315
Dogma is dogma.
I have no resentment towards you, only towards your tone in that particular exchange.

Discernment has allowed me to understand Christ in a way i never could without the truth i found through the Gnostic gospels. Though never once did i consider them to be infallible. It's subject to the same conditions as humanity, being half god, half something else. We are flawed that way, and so is everything we create. Gospels included.

I have to go now. Great things are on its way, dont be resentful or afraid.

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>>129317035
Looking for this?

>>129317559
It's the internets in physical form.
Kek, Larping Putin, Cat videos, and spider (web)

>>129317045
>This far I´d say I am being reasonable and understandable?

yes, most people here know this.

>The chaos which emerged at around 300 A.D led to a philosophically thought school called "Neoplatonism" mainly under Plotin and pupils. He offered a way to a mysterious inner and relative world with his ideals. Understandable given the circumstances of a very chaotic time. Though he was the first "Philosopher" who violated the law of non contradiction which is inherently NOT reasonable. He e.g. gives God contradicting characteristics to mention only 1 thing but this whole school lead people away from the Logos incarnate.

well, this is pretty much just fallacious. Considering Augustine was a neo-Platonist your argument holds no water.

the Idea of the Logos can, will, and eventually does lead you to the Idea that the Logos incarnated on earth.

>God contradicting characteristics to mention only 1 thing but this whole school lead people away from the Logos incarnate, Jesus Christ, making them flee to an inner refuge

1 Corithians 6:15
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Luke 17
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you

> But the Logos teach us differently: Observe, articulate, act accordingly.

from where I stand, you're illiterate, because the bible clearly states to look for the spirit of god, and the kingdom of heaven within yourself, for each and every single person has one.

you really don't understand anything about anything. I hate to break it to you.

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>>129318109
peas

>>129317559
lol yeah there it was cheers
>it was red pilling and strange to read their stuff

Goddammit. Ya just had to post a picture of Baal.
Baal kills gnostic threads. Didn't you know that?

can someone give me quick rundown on gnosticism? I have questions
I know very little about gnosticism, I'm approaching spiritual enlightenment from the "eastern" side all I know about is that gnosticism it's one of the more serious Christians path to enlightenment
I have no idea about the stuff like >>129315952 but it seems interesting. Is there something more comprehensive than a comic though? And who makes these I wanna know how it continues
I know that what >>129315636 is describing is basically nirvana but I find hard to believe to believe you're actually there, in the contact with the source
also why gnosticism? Is it actual an effective way of pursuing enlightenment? or is it not focused at that stuff at all? are you people LARPing? etc.

>>129318178
they are coverd in poo aren't they, I would never think of this before pol
>It's poo, it's not clay, it's been poo all along, lit feces

>>129310196
Most gnostics were buttsexers. Vaginal intercourse leading to birth was considered evil. New practitioners were acquired not birthed. The earth is a iron prison, and god has stopped caring about it. Eschatology can only be reached when there is no more life on earth.

>>129318710
Gnosticism is basically advanced christianity. Have you read the Bible? If not, do it.
You need to know the basics if you want to proceed on to the advanced stuff.

If you only want a quick rundown:
http://www.gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Brief_Summary_Theology.htm

>God help us all, the cover them self in poo down there, it's been poo all along.
Like those canibals at that river, these collect the poo and smear them self in it

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>>129318710
>Is it actual an effective way of pursuing enlightenment?
Worked for me.
In truth, the creation mythos and further flowery language can be taken as just that, though I believe there is much more truth behind it than one might find elsewhere.
My position is that none of it really matters. No need to get wrapped up in cosmonogy and deific structures. I did at first but regret getting sucked into a mythology that did me no good outside the basics.
God is everything, including what we might perceive as evil. All part of the plan, except the "evil" is more or less a lack of god, but still part of the plan.
It works really well with the George Lucas analogy, with George Lucas being the demiurge of the Starwars Universe. He may think he's god in his stories, but the true god is much higher than he is aware of.
I'm much too drunk to give an accurate picture, but i can give it to you from the heart of my own experiences.
Ask away, anon. A drunk is willing to babble at you.

>>129318768
>they are coverd in poo aren't they, I would never think of this before pol
And yes, i'm covered in Poo.
No, im not indian, i just larp as one for the camera.
Poo is just cosplay.

>>129299092
The gnostic gospels were written about 200-300 years before His death and resurrection.

If you want to come closer to his teachings, you must read those gospels which were written in earlier times (Mark).

>>129319005
Hey I got oriented because of this Hillary and Podesta and Moloch shit to a page of weird stuff there. Do you know where it is? It's where the spider picture up there came from
>I'm to baked and retarded today

>>129319569
>If you want to come closer to his teachings, you must read those gospels which were written in earlier times (Mark).
Or read everything. Time has no bearing on truth, and there's no harm in alternative points of view. Better to have a plethora of wisdom at your disposal than just what's been pushed in front of you.

>>129319149
>Worked for me
so
are you completely free from suffering even when you feel emotional or psychical pain?
has your ego been dissolved more or less permanently?
do you feel that you're not the doer of your actions or that everything that is happening is your doing?
are you able to perceive any moment as pure vibrations?
are you in the contact with the source?
Honest questions I just want to make sure we're on the same page
If it's true then Kudos to you senpai, that's amazing

>>129315921
Why did they kick him out when he had yet to do anything wrong?

>>129313848
I'm a gnostic and marxism and gnosticism are more related than you think. Do more reading into the origins and propogators of both movements and you will see that the same people are behind both.

>>129319781
You would need a teacher to do that. You see, even if you read it all you will only draw wrong conclusions and become confused. How will you know what is true and what is a lie?

>>129319942
someone get the helicopter engine running

>>129310607
do we not have an uncreated spirit?

>>129319920
I think the comic depicted it wrongly. The demiurge was created outside the pleroma by the fallen Sophia who tried to understand God. I doubt he was cast out.

>>129319942
>Do more reading into the origins and propogators of both movements and you will see that the same people are behind both.

So.. Jews?

>>129320053
If there is a creator and he has created everything, are you not part of that creator? Only monoism thinks the stone is not god. But the fact that the stone does not know it is god is exactly what makes it god.

>>129319781
All right then.

But do not think that there was evil in imposing those Gospels that were more agreeable among them. It was only a time when internal divisions were doing a lot of damage to an already weakened empire.

>>129315204
well usury was recommended by him, so was murdering children, stealing etc. but only if you were a jew - they're still doing, causes huge problems. sounds satanic desu

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>>129318710
>Is it actual an effective way of pursuing enlightenment?

Forget gnosticism, it’s outdated by more than a milleniun. Studying physical chemistry is the first step on modern man’s path of enlightenment!

>>129319806
>are you completely free from suffering even when you feel emotional or psychical pain?
Yes. The suffering is still there, but it's effects are regulated to the domain of something akin to physical pain, ie. inconsequential.

>has your ego been dissolved more or less permanently?
No, and it shouldn't be. As above, it's voice has been separated from the other and the two are easily distinguishable. Without the Ego, we can't exist in this world. It's a much better driver than I am.

>do you feel that you're not the doer of your actions or that everything that is happening is your doing?
To be honest, i've never felt out of control. I've felt very stupid on many occasions, but never felt as if it wasn't my own worst enemy.

>are you able to perceive any moment as pure vibrations?
Not pure, but certainly made up of such. I have no interest in separating from the material world. I'm here because i want to be.

>are you in the contact with the source?
We all are. Up to you weather or not you choose to recognize it as such. The point of all things is easily accessible, and only ignored by most due to its simplicity. "it cant be that easy" i would imagine most people would say.

>Honest questions I just want to make sure we're on the same page.
Not sure if we are, but then again, who knows? This is just what I experience.

>>129319942
Anyone pushing Gnosticism is automatically suspect in my mind. It's not something to be shared, it's something to be found.
The fact it was propagated by marxist makes me realize how fucked marxists were.

>>129320007
>How will you know what is true and what is a lie?
There's a reason it's called Gnosis.
Inner truth.
Finding truth within.
Teachers cant teach gnosis. It's not a religion, its a path.

>>129320279
>But do not think that there was evil in imposing those Gospels that were more agreeable among them.
Same as always, anon. Humans are human.

>>129320332
what are you implying
I'm not necessary looking for the modern man's path
I usually go with what resonates with me the most I'm not that pragmatic desu

>>129320261
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>>129320383
I'm not sure either but one question remains
how did you get there?

>>129320291
>murdering children
well the time commanded in Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, and lifestock was directed at the Nephilum in the lands of Canon.

33"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."

so yeah, God commands to kill every one of the species that makes men look like literal grasshoppers. he also told them to kill the livestock because these giants had a nasty habit of bestiality, and were generally evil minded

let me ask you something, would you be more interested in living in a land of evil minded giants that make you look like grasshoppers? and would pluck your arms out for fun?

>steal
no
>but only if you were a jew
>sounds satanic desu
what is the new testament?
>usury
95. [Jesus said], "If you have money, don't lend it at interest. Rather, give [it] to someone from whom you won't get it back."

yes, it was recommended to foreigners, but it wasn't allowed for those that were poor.

man, its like fallacious arguments are non-arguments.

>>129320332
the universe isn't a chemical one, its an electromagnetic one. chemistry is pseudoscience at best

>>129320586
The real truth is objective. The kind of truth you will find is going to be subjective - it will be whatever YOU think is truth. In any case, you are bound to fail and be misguided.

>>129320830
You forget the genocides of people who only wanted to protect their lands from the aggressive jews wandering through the desert. Amalekites who you just mentioned weren't the only people to get utterly wrecked. I forgot what they were called but there were at least 2 other nations in Numeri that got annihilated just because they wanted to protect themselves.

>>129320810
The law of attraction.
I wanted to be, and then i acted like i wanted to be.
The story is quite flexible. It was made for you to fit in wherever you want. The great thing about it is that if you start, it will carry you there without much effort on your part. You become part of the story.

My path is not the only one. After all, the mountain has as many paths to the top as it has climbers. Whatever works for you will work for you. The key is to want it.

>>129320724
>>129320261

right I was supposed to fix this.
>Neither is moon nor sun sought, nor is stone carved.
Now the God in the stone is silent!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imn9z6_NcRI
>is from actual finding i have not saved

>>129320848
If i continue looking, than i obviously didn't find it.
Man isn't capable of understanding pure truth, only interpreting it partially.
That being said, i still believe truth is subjective.

>>129321103
>That being said, i still believe truth is subjective.
Shit, i meant to say Objective
>very drunk
>more beer will help.

>>129321254
Clouding your mind with poison certainly won't help you find it, friend.

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>>129321459
On the contrary!
One mans poison is another man's celebration.
And what is our mind but clouded to begin with.
Some of us drink to see more clearly!

>>129321598
To further my point, Comfy music for Comfy Thread.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM5SnZNkUpk

>>129321010
this isn't necessarily true, the nephilum were all over the lands of cannan, and the people were generally sinners, Idolaters, and adulterers, evil minded.

also just because they die. doesn't mean they go to hell forever.

I don't particuarly care what christians believe, I care what the bible says, and the bible generally supports the idea of reincarnation.

But if the Lord brings about an entirely new thing and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that is theirs, and they descend alive into Sheol, then you will understand that these men have spurned the Lord.”


“The Lord kills and makes alive; He brings down to Sheol and raises up.

>>129316212
>Oh great, somebody asked me to explain the foundation of my belief system again. Don't they know how rude that is?

>>129321715
>oh great, someone didn't read the entire thread before jumping to the conclusion that i have no foundation for my beliefs.

Are you guys the VOL gnostics that have posted on this board recently? If so, what's with the 144,000? Is that written in one of your texts?

>>129321890
You say that God is calling out to you with esoteric gestures but you're upset whenever anybody asks you to say what those gestures are. You're just a sophist.

>>129320261
No. In Christianity, God created everything ex nihilo
monism is condemned here. And I think in gnosticism too

>>129322244
That's from the NT.
The VOL guys are clearly attempting to start a new religion, which I'm not entirely opposed to. People need a direction in times like this.
I just wish it wasn't so obvious.

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this dude comes up to you and says:

everything that happened up to this point will not have happened
and you have choice
>you get to live your life but you will never get to know the Truth
>you get to live only 1 day but knowing the Truth you know now
pick one

what do?

>>129322274
Not upset at all. The problem is that what I interpret as fingers of god are too easily dismissed as nonsense or coincidence by people who don't care to share my beliefs.
I'm fine with this, as I understand that my experiences aren't yours, and i wouldn't want to impose mine upon you in any way.
Precisely the reason why I have no intention of pushing Gnostic teachings. It's too personal.

If you want a specific example, I pointed out several throughout the post. The tiles in any given bathroom are perfect for this.
You see tiles, i see proof of divinity.

>>129322522
define >live
Are you implying that we would cease to exist after knowing the "truth" for one day?

>>129322391
Thanks. They seem well intentioned, but some of their stuff is pretty out there. I guess they post here to try to increase the odds of meeting some mysterious ascension ratio? Who knows.To each his own I suppose.

>>129322936
yes
I got it from shinzen young
It's from his anecdotal experience but he says that everyone who has experienced the truth chooses the second option

>>129322974
Pretty much.
I think i've accidentally shut down his posts after mentioning the religion-building thing.
Speaking one-on-one with the guy, i got the impression that he was only interested in furthering his agenda.
Reminded me of the time i met a presidential candidate that i was backing. He gave me a canned answer to a question and it really bugged me. Didn't occur to me at the time that he had probably talked to 300 people with the same question that day, and he was just answering that way out of necessity.
Same goes for VOL guy.

>>129323217
Well, the thing is, if one knows the absolute truth, one experiences infinity, which would pull him/her outside the confines of time, thus joining with the all. Not really a hard question to answer.
Nothingness or all things?
Cake or death?

>>129323217
There's the opposite take on it, though.
The question implies desire. It may only be desire for truth, but one may interpret that desire to be akin to a perceived lack. If one were to recognize that lack, and act accordingly, that person would be subject to the natural laws, thus attracting a lack, therefore ceasing to exist entirely, give that those were the stipulations of the question.

>>129322522
I suppose the only correct answer to this question is to give death the finger and refuse to answer.
He has no natural right to dictate my fate. I've already decided that I'm going to die through an extreme demonstration of kinetic force, driving a forklift off the roof of the empire state building.

>>129322685
The reason that it's so easily dismissed is because it's all just mysticism. You're suspending your reasoning.

>>129325086
>You're suspending your reasoning.
And by this metric, I'm a happier person and my life has substantially improved since accepting what others might consider nonsense.
I'll take it for what i believe it to be. It could be nothing to you, and I'm fine with that.
>it's all just mysticism.
Mysticism worked for me.

>>129325239
That's the same mistake that the Buddhists make. Being happy does not make you right. Earth was not created to be Heaven.

>>129326083
So you have definitive proof that i'm wrong?
I'd love to see anything you have to offer, including tepid reminders of my own mortality.
We're dealing with facts here, right? I'll let you start.

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Yoga and meditation is an essential part of developing spiritually.

>>129299092
bump

>>129326262
Wrong about what? The notion that being happy makes you right? I think that's obviously wrong.

>>129311456

Began developing psychosis, started thinking he was the embodiment of Azrael among other things.

I definitely attributed it to the amount of psychedelics we were doing, it's just he was the one that was adversely effected by it not me

>>129327206
Being happy isn't my justification for thinking I'm right, its a byproduct. I was attempting to refute your argument that i was merely fooling myself, and therefore incorrect, which is just silly.
My point is that I will never be able to justify my faith to someone who doesn't care to listen, nor would I want to. There's no benefit to either party. It's just two people thrashing about in separate pools, thinking their words are going to change the other.
Kinda like what we are doing right now.

>>129306971
Maybe coz the path to god is within due to the divine spark in all of us

>>129315989
>>129316012
Good summary, but IIRC it was Sophia's sorrow over creating such a beast and giving them the divine spark from which to escape. She was the serpent not Christ. Christ comes later in the story as his namesake

>>129327542
Ya know, they say shit like "the teachings are too powerful for weak minds". In reality, this shit happens all the time with every religion. Nutcases who take the shit too seriously.

>>129327718
I wanna see the part where Sabaoth shows up and goes all Lucifer-like.

>>129299092

I was raise agnostic, but I'm becoming a gnostic as I get older. Great thread OP.

>>129299675

There was a lot of history of the early church thrown out with the purge of gnosticism. Basically Rome used the purge to cut out anything they didn't like, didn't care if it was a true story or not.

For instance, the story of Thekla

>>129326530
do you have any more book recommendations on those subjects?

>>129299952
Can you show me the texts that prove it's older?

>>129313596
>Projections cause distortions of thinking and of emotional, spiritiual responses.

sounds like bluepills

>But the 'knowing' of these matters allows to reach a higher order of thinking where one becomes aware of such distortations and can circumvent them.

sounds like redpills

I'm genuinely fucking amazed by this.

>>129320158
Yep. The ultimate redpill is realizing that the Jews are right.

>>129328571

Also reminds me of Plato's Allegory of the Cave

Gnosticism was hitting some existential truths of human nature with this.

>>129327206
>>129327581

Just want to say I can relate to the two of you. I've had experiences that if followed as a chain of related events, you can see relationships and take out cohesive information from them, but if I take them as isolated occurrences, they can be dismissed as pure coincidence. The issue here might be that the two are coming from two different ways of interpreting information. One wants to scrutinize everything to the smallest comprehensible bits, in a sharp and focused method. The other seeks to find patterns and relationships in the big picture. So, in the end, one is sacrificing discovering new realities, with its own laws, and the other risks mistaking what really happened for some illusion.

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The Demiurge is the 'god' of the Abrahamic religions and the Archons (self-replications of the Demiurge) are the 'gods' of the polytheistic religions. Kings, banking dynasties, presidents, etc. are ALL puppets of the Demiurge.
The puppets of the Demiurge are ALL victims of the Demiurge, even though most of them don't think they are. The Demiurge is the 'god' of the Abrahamic religions AND Satan, so it doesn't matter if you worship the 'god' of the Abrahamic religions or Satan (if you worship any of them), since your energy is being vampired by the Demiurge either way. Energy flows where attention goes.

Demiurge as Abrahamic 'God' = Supreme Chancellor Palpatine

Demiurge as Satan = Darth Sidious

Also, this universe is like a computer simulation and the Demiurge is like to a computer virus. The Demiurge is the original 'virus' and the Archons are replications of the original Demiurge 'virus'.

The 'God' of the Abrahamic religions (i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is actually the Demiurge, as I mentioned earlier. Worshipping the Demiurge and praying to the Demiurge gives energy to the Demiurge. The Demiurge receives an energy bonanza from Muslims in particular, who pray to him five times a day. Energy flows where attention goes.

Human dynasties = Darth Vader

Archons = Emperor Palpatine

Demiurge = Dark Side of the Force

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>>129329341

There are two realities going on side by side in this world, the one that the masses think is real (what I call 'Movie Screen Earth') because (((certain people))) tell them it's real and the one that is actually real. The one that is actually real is SO UNBELIEVABLY DIFFERENT to the one that the masses think is real that it would make your head spin.
The people who secretly control this world have genes that are extraterrestrial in origin and many of these people call themselves 'Jews'. They believe that this gives them 'the divine right to rule'. I do not adhere to any religion, but here's an interesting verse from the Bible about all of this:

"There were giants in the Earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." - Genesis 6:4

People like the Rothschilds and the royal families of Europe are related by blood. Major world-leaders and banking dynasties are related by blood. They breed only among themselves to maintain their genetics. If they breed outside their circle, then their genetics will be diluted. Pic related (it's from a MAINSTREAM magazine, if I remember correctly).

>>129327581
You were trying to refute the argument that you were fooling yourself by saying that it makes you happy? Fooling oneself tends to do that.

Everyday I come more and more to the realization that whites are now just as much of an enemy to mankind as jews...

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>>129329399

The Demiurge seeks to infest and infect all that exists. The Demiurge's only goal is the complete assimilation of everyone, everything, everywhere and everywhen..... forever.

It makes me sad to see so many people mislead by their own lusts.

The only reason someone would want to be Gnostic would be to glorify themselves.

Gnosticism is a made up funtime feelgood "religion". It's become popular is because of the Da Vinci code. A FICTION based on a book I read called Holy Blood Holy Trail. Which is basically just assumptions, guesses, and suppositions they make based off of some old crazy Christian cult living alone in the mountains of France until the king killed everyone.

If you want to be Gnostic it's you're choice but a few things,
1. Don't pretend it's real spirituality because it's only about elevating yourself above God exactly like Satan thinks he does

2. Shut up about the real Christianity, the one where if you believe and call on the Lord Jesus Christ you WILL be saved, because you very clearly demonstrate you don't know enough on it to comment.

>>129329621
Stupid autocorrect, I meant Holy Blood Holy Grail

>>129328481
the first chapter of Crowley's 'big blue brick'
'Raja Yoga' by Ramacharaka
'Free Play' by Stephen Nachmanovitch
'The Breath' by Vessantara (for beginners to meditation)

Raja Yoga by Vivekananda and Raja Yoga by Ramachakara are two of the first western books on the subject and are still considered the best and most comprehensive.
Crowley's book is considered dangerously profitable on the subject.

>>129329341

* and the Demiurge is like a computer virus

>>129326530

I completely agree with you. Yoga and meditation can also be used to awaken siddhis.

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>>129299092
>>129299481
Agreed
BURN IN HELL HERETICS

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literally this thread right now

>>129329911
Yoga turned me from being a militant rationalist into a very open minded person.

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>>129299092
Gnosticism is a complete degenerate heresy.

>>129299092
gnosticism is against Christ

so... no.

>>129330374
>gnosticism
>against Christ
but it's not against Christ, it's against YHWH/Adonai

cathars/gnostics = buttfuckers

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>>129330265

Me too. I used to suffer from intense anxiety, but meditation helped reduce my anxiety. My only goals in life are to become the world's first real super-hero and then to achieve moksha. My super-hero name will be 'Dragon Man' (because I'm a Dragon, according to the Chinese zodiac). I am training right now to awaken my siddhis. In the ancient Sanskrit language of India, the word 'siddhi' means 'perfection'. In its most common usage, the word 'siddhi' refers to an ability that is a natural and inherent faculty of our true identities as eternally alive souls. The soul is smaller than an atom and larger than the universe. The soul is infinitely small and infinitely large. The soul is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. The soul is the storehouse of ALL ENERGY, ALL POWER AND ALL STRENGTH. The soul is PURE CONSCIOUSNESS. The soul possesses ALL siddhis and there are an INFINITE number of siddhis. Among all of these siddhis, there are considered to be eight major siddhis. Siddhis can be awakened through a variety of methods. In Patanjali's Yoga Sutras IV.1, it is stated:

"Siddhis may be attained through birth, the use of herbs, incantations, self-discipline or samadhi."

Here is a list of the eight major siddhis (in no particular order):

Laghima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as light as you want.

Garima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as heavy as you want.

Mahima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as large as you want.

Anima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as small as you want.

Prapti siddhi: Having unrestricted access to any and/or all places.

Prakamya siddhi: Fulfillment of whatever you desire.

Isitva siddhi: Control over any and/or all of the laws of nature.

Vasitva siddhi: Being able to control any and/or all beings.

"A man is a god in ruins. When men are innocent, life shall be longer, and shall pass into the immortal, as gently as we awake from dreams." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>129330497
You are retarded. Jesus's name literally means, "YHWH is salvation."

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>>129330691

We ought to remember who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE. They want us to think that the average person is powerless to positively change the world, but the TRUTH is that we have INFINITE POWER - both individually AND collectively. There's only one of us here. If you hit yourself on the head with a baseball bat, they'll put you in a mental hospital, yet that's EXACTLY what people are doing on a global scale. You can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't because the word 'God' has religious connotations that I would rather avoid. Religion is the McDonald's of spirituality.

What we need to do is to raise our level of consciousness, both individually AND collectively. If even one person raises his or her level of consciousness, it has a ripple effect that benefits EVERYONE ELSE, even if they don't believe any of this stuff - and this is because 'reality' itself is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature. One of the ways that they have manipulated us so deeply for so long is by suppressing our sense of the possible. What we call 'reality' is COMPLETELY ILLUSORY and thus MALLEABLE - and they KNOW THIS, while most other people do NOT. EVERYTHING IS ILLUSORY, EXCEPT PURE CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. NOTHING is impossible in a universe that is ILLUSORY TO BEGIN WITH. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power.

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>>129330841

We're all one - and the beauty of this is that we don't have to be cucks despite this fact (and it IS a fact). We can STILL protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction. We ought to embrace nationalist principles to protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction even while REMEMBERING who and what WE REALLY ARE - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. Our TRUE STATE, our TRUE NATURE and our TRUE IDENTITY is Pure Consciousness and Pure Consciousness is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. We are SIMULTANEOUSLY one yet different in our oneness in much the same way that the waves of an ocean are one with that ocean but are also unique in and of themselves in that each wave has its own shape, speed and size. I think that's pretty neat. What we call 'reality' is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature, so we are in fact smaller versions of the whole (which you can call 'God', if you want). Every part of the whole contains the whole and, to be more accurate, IS the whole. And just as a drop of water contains the same qualities as an entire ocean of water, we likewise contain all that exists within us - but merely on a smaller scale. From unconditional love we ALL sprang and to unconditional love we ALL return. There is no death, only transference of consciousness. There are no answers, only choices. There are no hallucinations, only shifts in perception. There are no laws, only habits. There are no coincidences, only synchronicities. There are no truths, only experiences. There is no separateness, only oneness. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my message shall NEVER pass away. The message is more important than the messenger.