Why does no one have a real job anymore? >Editor at Shi

I'm thinking I might just become a janitor and sit out this rat race.

>>129224946
You're from the city aren't you?

>>129225359
Yeah, it's hell

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>immerse yourself in a media environment
>be surprised everyone is working in media

Stop getting tricked.

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>>129224946

>>129224946

I am a professional hockey player, does that count?

>work as welder
>see other tradesman at work all day

Why is everyone a tradesman these days?

>>129225540
Well I have good news for you, I'm not what you consider real work, but I can assure you it exists outside the city.

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On this day the faggotry of OP blots out the fucking sun.

>>129225657
I'm not against sports but I think they're blown out of proportion in our society

>>129225868
Why? I'm seeing all of my peers become part of the same sickness that is demoralizing people like me.

And they all make more money than you

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>>129224946
Because your country got JEWED.com (tm).

In theory products and services are now more efficiently available ie your (((Economists))) are saying your country sucks at all the other jobs so you're left with these goy jobs to fill in. Everything else has been distributed to people who either do a better job than your country or can do it for a fraction of the price.

Oy vey.

>>129226046
Who are "people like you"?

Why does it demoralise you?

You fucking moron.

>Hello I'm an attention seeking OP, I want you to ask me for my fucking life story instead of just providing adequate context like a normal person would

>>129226325
Did I make fun of your job or something?

>>129226046
Define "real job"

>>129225209
Learn a trade my dude

>>129224946
I used to work at a Wall St. company as the guy who busted trades. All the brokers were Executive VPs of Investments or some such twaddle. Even the brand new ones who only had their Daddy's account under management. They hated me. I hated them.

What a sickening life it was. Every job I apply to now in every industry has some stupid title with the word marketing thrown in somehow. All paper-pushing, nebulous, what-the-fuck-does-that-even-mean jobs that are the epitome of our meaningless modernity.

Shepherd, cobbler, wheelwright, iron monger, farmer, hardware store guy, gigolo, janitor all sound real good right about now.

Well i'm trying to be a welder, still in HS but taking a trade skill course

My all-time favorite BS title position is Scrum Master. I read through the description on the job posting and still have no idea what the everloving fuck it is.

But if I ever meet one, I'm gonna kick his ass, Hank Hill style.

BTW, this is all why City Slickers is the most existentially important movie of our times. Drive cattle. Hang out with Jack Palance. Smoke Marlboros on a horse.

>>129227139
Exactly, thank you for vindicating me.

I want to become an antiquarian or something

>>129228362
>i dont understand tech so it must be all made up bullshit

>>129224946
I'm a welding inspector soo...

>>129228362
It's the leader for an aspect of the agile software development lifecycle you utter dullard.

>>129226542
You have still to provide an actual fucking discussion point.

Why does this bother you? Why does it demoralise you?

Are you even capable of expressing yourself on such a complex level?

>>129224946
I'm a "Stillman", i make single malt whisky for a living.

>>129228477
Meh, I'm an oldfag, but I'm as up to speed on it as I need to be. I buy tech stocks when the hype begins and short them at bubble phase.

But trust me, it is all part of (((their))) plan to make people utterly reliant on tech and the false life it leads to.

But please do go on to tell us how great life will be after the Singularity, oh sage Scrum Master neckbeard.

>>129228966
A few others ITT understood the implication of my post perfectly well. Apparently I didn't need to explain further to them.

Those are the real jobs. Selling your body to get a few shekels to survive and to help mr Goldberg become even richer is not a job, it's slavery.

>>129224946
YOU GREW UP IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD IN STABLE HOME AROUND PEOPLE WITH REAL JOBS. YOU'VE PROBABLY FAILED TO ACHIEVE THE SAME SUCCESS AS YOUR PARENTS, SO YOU ARE NOW SURROUNDED WITH NORMAL LOSERS.

>>129229972
START SAVING. ESCAPE YOUR HELL.

>>129229255
Thank you for your service ^_^
t. pisshead

Kurzgesagt had a good video about this today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

>>129224946
The end goal is for the only jobs to be political.

>>129224946
you forgot
>Founder, President, and CEO of My Lemonade Stand Startup LLC

real life is now a quora thread.

>>129224946
some of those are real jobs
one of the frustrations people have is that they think jobs are "fake" when they are just alienated
read marx on alienation (one of the few things he was right about)

>>129224946

I have no idea. They sound like jobs for (((intelligent))) people. They produce nothing but tape and hot air. I cant go down that path I have personal integrity.

>>129224946
I have a real job. One of the oldest ones ever actually.

t. Housewife

>>129229805
So you're an old retard, that's nothing to brag about.

Tech jobs are easy and pay too much, I make 120k a year to be a codemonkey for a week then jack off and play games for 3 months.

>>129230951
Yeah that's quite the life you've carved out for yourself. Life is too short, son, for zeros and ones, test tubes, and virtual reality. Fresh air, hard work, the blend of the physical, intellectual, artistic and spiritual is the key to life. It's not retarded to forego a life of keeping up with binary shit, esoteric codes that will eventually outstrip everyone's capacity to keep up with it. That is called wisdom.

Don't get me wrong, you need to make a good living. It's the way of the world. But in 10-20 years hence, when you have an existential crisis sitting in your commander chair, you'll understand.

>>129230862
This gal gets it.

>>129227139
Where they jewish?

>>129224946
>le manual labour is the only real type of work meme xDDD
Not everyone is an uneducated piece of shit who's back will be fucked by 40 like you

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Is forming metal into bullets a real job? I love working on greasy machines. I'll probably never get really rich at it though.

>>129230410
>Juicero.txt

>>129232235
>Not everyone is an uneducated piece of shit who's back will be fucked by 40 like you

that is not the point, all jobs today are service and networking related, its more political that about creating value, I know from personal exp.

before jobs allowed you to speak your mind, now you have to walk on eggs on job place becouse they are the way OP described.

because OP we got so many jobs we need people to do jobs for those jobs, GOT IT?

>>129232328
Become a millwright

>>129224946
those are all woman jobs. they get cushy desk positions in air conditioned offices because they want to be "liberated" and have a career but dont actually want to do real work - mainly because they're physically or emotionally unable.. so companies bend over backwards to create these meme positions so womyn can have a place to work where they wont end up in tears after day 1. meanwhile men get to enjoy the benefits of working as underwater welders at an arctic oil rig. just don't mention the mortality rate, that's what hazard pay is for.

>>129224946
I'm a software developer for my state's government, developing applications that help the public in their everyday lives, does that count?

>>129224946
A faggoty ass ineficient weak soicety produced by capitalism and democracy.....what do you expect?!

>>129228746
Nigga don't try to talk tough, Scrum is a joke, a high school Sophomore could figure it out in a week and run the whole thing for less than an hour per day.

>>129224946
Used to do tech contract work at companies like Google and Amazon. Got outsourced and replaced by Indians. Forced out to "stable" work in private security making less money but at least they can't outsource it. This modern tech economy is really swell.

Centuries ago the majority of jobs were in agriculture, then in industry through the mechanical revolution, and now they've shifted to the service sector. Fewer people have "real jobs" because we've built robots that can do those same jobs 1000 times faster.

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>>129224946
Those are all real jobs. Services take over in an advanced economy because we automate so much physical labor and institutions become increasingly complex.

But hey, there's a shortage of tradesmen if thats what you mean by "real job." Go get training and a certification, you'll make good money and live well in pretty much any city.

>>129224946
Many of these jobs are indeed bullshit, but most of all the job titles have all become bullshit even when it's a real job behind it. Technically I am a consultant in engineering design. I didn't know my actual job title one year after sarting and I had to ask the formal name to my +2 for a form.

It's funny how pretty much no one notices this. Bunch of bullshit jobs so we don't sit around shitting and farting all day.

Asia does almost all the real work. They're our bitches because the US has the best military and reserve currency.

That's my best estimate anyway.

>>129224946
There are trades nigga

>>129233866
>Those are all real jobs.

80% of those jobs are bs.

>>129234352
>It's funny how pretty much no one notices this. Bunch of bullshit jobs so we don't sit around shitting and farting all day.

and MEEEEEETING call!

its all bs, no wonder, its all about (((networking))) today and not about creating capital

>>129225209
Trade or engineering senpai

>>129228362
Yes I've worked for one and she seemed to fall into the "Professional Woman" category as outlined by OP. Moronic. And fuck agile. It's anything but.

>>129224946

Postmodernism.


https://www.amazon.de/Explaining-Postmodernism-Skepticism-Socialism-Rousseau-ebook/dp/B00480P9H2/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1497035229&sr=1-1&keywords=Explaining+Postmodernism

>>129234974
Yes if any country steps out of line the CIA will fuck their shit up.

>>129224946
>>Writer at MyBlog.com
I was interviewing somebody for a senior marketing position.
>$100M/year plus product line
>job description called for 3-5 years in online marketing
>guy tells me he has been the "senior editor" at a "digital publication" for 6 years.
>He can't quite remember the URL.....
When I press him, telling him I want to review it as a reference he tells me...
>it a blog
>its a really shitty personal blog

>>129236081
>Yes if any country steps out of line the CIA will fuck their shit up.

its quite sad that Wests economy is based on that instead of Godfearing enjoyable and fullfilling but at the same time hard work.

>>129229805
>smug luddite
Now I've seen everything.

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>>129236497
>>job description called for 3-5 years in online marketing
>>guy tells me he has been the "senior editor" at a "digital publication" for 6 years.
>>He can't quite remember the URL.....
>When I press him, telling him I want to review it as a reference he tells me...
>>it a blog
>>its a really shitty personal blog

If a business doesnt have smth to show, dont trust it.

Henry Ford

>>129232043
About 40% Jewish and a whole lot of rich WASPs with names like Preston and Buffy. Decent amount of Asians (usually the nicest and easiest to work with).

80% strivers (some OK people mixed in there, but mostly not)
20% normal people who just fell into the job. Or went where the money was but hated it and got out after a bit.

This was late 90s, early 00s. No one falls into a Wall St. job anymore (tightened hiring standards after tech bubble bursting and subsequent recession. Now need a master's from Wharton to schlep coffee or sit at front desk), so asshole/striver % is probably damn near 100.

I think I get what you mean. Most common jobs nowadays don't offer satisfaction in the work or any level of pride in a job. I'm starting to think about becoming an artists cuss at least I'll leave a legacy other then McDick employee of the year.

>>129236783
Smug? Perhaps. Just somebody who figured it out a long time ago and won't back down. But clearly not a full Luddite, since I'm arguing with people on the computer.

But holy crap, there has never been a smugger creature than people who allow technology to become their raison d'etre and follow the religion of scientism.

>Client Services Specialist
>Implementation Project Lead
>Systems and Delivery Analyst
>Project Management Consultant
>Business Development Associate
>Integration Data Coordinator
>Director of Partner Programming
>Connectivity and Software Product Specialist
>Vice President of Client Solutions Network

I literally just poached all of these from my inbox. It's pretty fucking hilarious when you line them all up together

>>129227139

Amen. A-fucking-men.

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>>129225798
>Work as NDT Technician.
>Pretend i know what I'm doing testing welds
>Give zero fucks

>>129224946

Define real job.

Two hundred years ago, there were only three real jobs for a gentleman: army, church or politics.

People then would consider the jobs you consider to be real to be as stupid and cucked as the jobs you list.

>>129224946
Welcome to socialism

>>129228746
>aspect of the agile software development lifecycle

I rest my case. A made up title to make someone sound important. Read Politics in the English Language. It applies to the corporate world too.

Such wonk speak is "giving the appearance of solidity to pure wind."

I know truck drivers line workers forklift operators plumbers and unemployed college students/grads.
Three guesses who's doing better in life.

>>129238219
>But holy crap, there has never been a smugger creature than people who allow technology to become their raison d'etre and follow the religion of scientism.
I fail to see the difference between them and truck drivers who think they won't be replaced by computers.

The software industry is one of the easiest ways to make mad money right now, and to underestimate the industry's impact on society as a whole is wholeheartedly stupid and short-sighted.

>>129229879
no they didnt lol

>>129224946

a friend of mine is a recruiter at a recruitment company that recruits recruiters

they have beer in the fridge at work and don't get paid shit and do nothing

>>129239112
The truck driver's are getting rekt real soon, just like travel agents back in the day.

>>129238098
Not only that, but... Look, I'm going through LinkedIn and seeing the "jobs" all the people I knew from high school and college are doing... and I see the kind of shit in the OP. But the thing is, I know all of these people, I know how damaged they all are, and I see everyone trying to puff themselves up, and it's exactly the same thing that these prostitutes we call politicians and policy makers do--"Oh yes, I support LGBT rights and I donate to my local abortion clinic and I have Master's in whatever." Everyone is just posturing how much of a faggot they are. And I see all the girls I knew in college, remembering them whoring themselves out at parties, or throwing up into the sink, their disgusting dorm rooms and so forth, and are any of these women married or having children? Are any of them happy? No they just have all these bullshit careers and making sure that my tax dollars and my grandparents tax dollars are going to Paco or Jamal or Abdul who are then making public transportation and suburban neighborhoods uninhabitable. There's no place left to live, then, because everything is shops and urban development and shit. It's just sad to see.

>>129225623
Is that what activated almonds look like?

>>129224946
Software developing is actually useful compared to all of these other shit jobs you listed.

>>129238294
This is why I want to become a Janitor. So I can just write "Janitor" and then tell them to fuck off.

>>129239304
I don't underestimate it one iota.

But it is leading the world down a horrible path and is one of the big reasons we are living in dystopian times. Technology is increasingly enslaving man, not serving it. It leaves people devoid of purpose and function. Longer lives, but unhappier ones.

If you want to see the endgame of unchecked technology and scientism read That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis.

>>129238098
>I think I get what you mean. Most common jobs nowadays don't offer satisfaction in the work or any level of pride in a job.

TFW

>I'm starting to think about becoming an artists

*CRAFTSMAN

>>129238870

farmer as well

even the politicians play pretend farmer (horses, animals, tobacco etc.)

>>129224946
they are all already automated so its nothing but make work bullshit left
hopefully you're a jew, woman, minority, or chad because otherwise you are out in the cold

>tfw only an Assembler and will never have a fancy, made-up title

>>129239533

>self driving trucks

at least a generation away I would wager

>>129231659
And fucking

>>129240019
I'm not sure what you're driving at, you can't stop technology. What's your alternative to this? From what I see, what's happening is inevitable.

Sounds interesting, I'll check that out.

>>129226132
Definitely. But all those liberals at their fake faggot jobs live in the city and pay $3000 a month to rent a studio apartment with their faggot friends. I'll take the trade job out of town.

>>129239304
>The software industry is one of the easiest ways to make mad money right now

AND YOUR SKILL IS OBSOLETE IN 5 YEARS...a great investment isnt it?

>STEMfags

>>129240019
nigga, you sound really wise-what do you do for a living? can you be broad, im not phishing anything, its 100% legal q.

its so telling of the shallowness of pol how they swallow STEM and programming and can look one stem from their ass

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>>129238294
I'm a (((Service desk analyst))) meaning I'm a call center monkey handing out passwords to retards that don't know the difference between Shift and Caps Lock. They could outsource my job to a pajeet but the company knows their employees don't want to deal with them

>>129240466
According to what estimate?
>twenty years ago wireless phones weren't really a thing
>ten years ago wireless broadband wasn't a thing
>we have pocket computers with wireless broadband and self-driving cars today

I notice in America job title is very important

Ie a secretary will call herself an "Administrative Assistant"

A retail person will call themselves a "consumer specialist associate of communication and services" or some shit

>>129241124
>>129240466
Just like flying cars amirite

I doubt self-driving trucks will overtake truck driving even if they were well developed because let's face it, would you trust a computer to drive 26,000 lbs of cargo next to you going 60?

Not to mention the legal aspects, self driving cars are a thing right now but why haven't they been put on the road yet?

>>129240853
>AND YOUR SKILL IS OBSOLETE IN 5 YEARS...a great investment isnt it?
>protip: in the software engineering game you primarily get paid for the ability to learn new technologies fast
and
>implying the underlying concepts change
Guess how I figured you know jack shit about tech.

>>129241433
>Just like flying cars amirite
Congratulations, you win the retard of the day prize. I'm done.

>>129241578
>>protip: in the software engineering game you primarily get paid for the ability to learn new technologies fast
>and
>>implying the underlying concepts change

Im aware of it, its still wont matter once your brain fog becomes bigger after 40, at that point its sweatshop work, infact that is what most coding is.

old school work gave older people value and expertise, todays work outsorces you pajeet if you fell one step behind.

>>129224946

never forget fitness/yoga trainers

>>129224946
We have the real jobs. You're just a faggot incel NEET.

>>129240713
I agree with you, friend from Finland. It probably can't be stopped.

Even if a critical mass of people become fed up with it, governments will always need to compete for resources/wage wars and technology gives them that advantage.

I don't even know if there is a good answer. All I can do is limit its incursion into my life as much as possible. It's probably worse for me because I'm of the last generation that grew up without the internet and still remember how blissfully uncomplicated and lovely daily life was when people had attention spans and interacted with each other.

>>129241854
That was the joke, good job being fucking stupid.

Notice how you didn't bother addressing the actual points I made.

Realistic question for everyone. Assuming self driving cars were a thing would you be more likely to call a Taxi with an actual person driving it, or a computer?

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how to get job at comfy isolated farm and simply work for room and board and monthly liquor and cigarette stipend for the weekends completely insulated from the degeneracy of the modern make work rat race?

>>129242278
I would still drive my own car.

>>129242278
The more self driving cars and leess humans on the road the safer it will be for everyone. In the few places where their trialing driver less cars the only accidents they've been involved in have been down to other humans error, when every car on the road is controlled by interconnected AI accidents will be practically nonexistent outside of complete equipment failure.

>>129242720

>when every car on the road is...

yeah.. so at least a generation

>>129239737
Yes, and they're green because everyone who does lots of thinking goes green.

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Speak for yourself, I work at a consulting agency

>>129242457
That wasn't the question, if you HAD to choose

>>129242720
Well it's nice to know that on a perfect testing ground where everything is controlled and no actual humans are driving near the car it functions normally, but this changes nothing.

When they get out onto the road, and the obstacles are things like hitches coming loose off the back of a truck, or tread on the road, a deer, or anything else that is usually the cause of an accident how do they fare?

>>129241328
it's all ((networking)) m8
would you rather hire a "taco bell cashier" or a "foodstuff production specialist"
it's all absolutely a crock of shit but you're competing against lazy, amoral, border-line sociopath normies who seek the path of least resistance and who can only get ahead via sucking dick and muh connections, so it's an unfortunate fact of life
also keep the autists out of the workforce. women don't want those types in the office because they force everyone to work harder by comparison and they don't want to go to the bar after work and fuck

>>129243194
Its irritating when people dont play within your control isnt it,mate.

>>129238357
You too, m8?

>>129224946
because industry was shipped away to Asia

>>129240541
Undoubtedly. No sex robot will ever replace the touch of a good woman.

Just on principle, I'd rather fuck a warm apple pie than some faux-human. Better deviant fucking with food than LARPing the sex act with some engineered trim.

>>129239533
Purely meme.
Self driving trucks are a very long way off. Then they have to make it through legislation. Then they have to determine who loads and unloads or changes tires when they blow or takes the bug out ramp when the brakes go.

>>129243571
Have touched modern artificial skin?You cant even tell the difference,mate.

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>>129242278
You would just open an app on your phone and press a button and a car would come pick you up. The way things are going with driver less cars + all the religion of peace attacks all the time i doubt people will eve be ALLOWED to drive in the future. That's probably the plan to, limit peoples freedom of mobility under the guise if freedom.

If you want to have a secure future with work and income you either need to be the one building/designing the machines putting other people out of work or you need to have job that will be in demand and that is highly dynamic and to hard to automate. A stonemason for example, people want walls made out of natural stone for their garden and no two stone or garden is the same so that would be very hard for a robot to do. Now is that a comfy and well paying job? Well it depends on the market, at least its a job and a lot of the old people doing it are retiring now.

Or you can just get your own land and make your own food + sell what ever excess you have, having enough to pay utilities won't be impossible.

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>>129239112
The people who aren't unemployed I would imagine

>>129239863
In France we stopped calling them "janitor" and call them "ground surface technician" instead. What a joke.

Is a shepherd the most /lit/ lifestyle job ever, what does it even entail other than making sure the goats aren't fucked with?

>>129244584
I grow trees,tell me about it

>>129243194
>When they get out onto the road, and the obstacles are things like hitches coming loose off the back of a truck, or tread on the road, a deer, or anything else that is usually the cause of an accident how do they fare?
I assume the car detect the obstacle and brakes while also sending out a signal to other cars behind it also brake. The ''reaction'' speed of the car will be a lot faster then humans to.

The best humans might be better drivers the driverless car but most humans are shit so it will obviously be safer if they just got of the road completely.

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>software dev in process industry
i help automate your jobs away

>>129240853
I'm an extreme part-timer.

I trade stocks for the bulk of my income, and have one high-paying gig as an arbitrator settling securities disputes, but it's not consistent work. I hold a physical, low-paying job about 12 hours a week for consistent, supplemental $, free exercise and getting out with people.

I just try to make my own job by doing what I like, blending the physical and mental and what I have an aptitude for, and where I don't have to deal with HR cunts. I only work for a boss 12 hrs/week and I like and respect the man and barely use a computer (unavoidable for trading).

I'll probably never be rich, but I pull in about $75k a year on my own terms working about 25 hrs a week total, so I'm cool with it. Multiple income streams, so I'm never fully dependent on one aspect.

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>>129241433
>would you trust a computer to drive 26,000 lbs of cargo next to you going 60?
Would you trust a human to? Will people even want trucks that can be controlled by humans around?

Driverless trucks are coming soon but it won't be overnight, the trucks that exist now will be used until its economically unviable to use them anymore and then the new driverless trucks will take over.

>>129224946

Because deindustrialisation

>>129245564
>Because deindustrialisation

because yuppie faggotry and ((()))

>>129241861
Did a STEM fuck your GF or why are you so buttblasted?

You clearly don't work in software or engineering

Then again you are Croatian, and you make less in a month than I do in two days. Regardless of what you'd be working as, it would be very tempting to Pajeetify.

>>129244584
You are probably expected to partake in the shearing, neutering, birthing, slaughter etc to.

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>>129224946
DID SOMEONE SAY JOB???

Polymer chemist. What, do you mean Uber drivers?

>>129243967
I haven't, umm, had that pleasure.

The point is no matter how it feels on my weiner, I would know that it isn't real.

It sounds like it would be a thoroughly degrading experience. It's like saying we as humans are nothing more than an amalgam of nerve-endings, synapses and seratonin. That we lack that Romantic aspect of being people: soul, heart, mind, thumos.

>>129244749
that sounds cool. I'm moving back to my family's village in about a year or two when I have saved enough to buy property there. I can still commute to my current job, though it won't be that great, and was thinking of sliding into doing some sort of thing like that to supplement my income and eventually support me. Fruit trees seem like too much of a hassle, also would have too little land for it. I was considering getting into tree growing because I have a connection that can get me saplings of the new hybrid American chestnuts that is blight resistant, but again I wouldn't have enough property unless I saved up for longer

I also make bricks for a hobby and am a pretty good carver and woodworker.

if youre choosing a job that you know a machine will be able to do very soon you are not very bright. I am an 'artist' because machines wont create just yet but it will cut a tree and replant it then care for it

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>>129224946
Because we don't make anything anymore.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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>>129245832
>Regardless of what you'd be working as, it would be very tempting to Pajeetify.

my line of work is un-outsourcable to Pajeet.

and why the fuck are you so overemotional on a basic critique of STEM-circlejerking here on pol?

>>129245145
>I'll probably never be rich, but I pull in about $75k a year on my own terms working about 25 hrs a week total, so I'm cool with it

I guess, you cant buy the newest carbon wheels for your roadbike like the CEO? you seem satisfied with your job, self employemtn and independence is what we all should aim for insted of sweating it befor the HR sensitivity trianing, and is societies weakness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfeXqHFmPI

>>129224946
You'd love DC

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>>129246525
We do. Just really high-tech and complicated things.

Pixelated I am building the windows of the future

>>129246119
Ryan?

>>129246525
>Because we don't make anything anymore.

how depressing that fact really is, infact (((frankfurt school))), Adorno specifically, criticized a lot of modern "work culture"

>>129246858
No.

>>129224946
I'm working as a car mechanic. Everyone I interact with in day to day work either works blue collar jobs or service industry work.

I wouldn't mind getting a job as a software developer and push paper around tbqh. The pay is better for less physical work.

>>129224946
I was a chemical engineer for a few years

I swear I really only worked like 10 days a year when we were in plant maintenance mode
The rest of the time I was just a mindless paper pusher
I'd review the work of interns that had already been reviewed and corrected by other people
So I was correcting writing errors more than math/code errors

>>129247033
>I wouldn't mind getting a job as a software developer and push paper around tbqh. The pay is better for less physical work.

If that's the way you think, I hope you choke on a sandwich when nobody's around.

>>129246252
Its capable of even sweating.You cant tell the difference.
>>129246254
I grow robinia in sand.Can cut it every 8 years or so and sell it as fence column.
But my biggest income is renting my forest to beekeepers.

>>129224946
because the east took over real value jobs and wealth creation, the west is trying to keep their lead by creating useless know-it-all SJWs and managers that can't do shit.
This is why the hype train business model has become so popular.

>>129246254
How does one make bricks as a hobby? What do you build with them?

>>129224946
Because these people don't have the skills (LOL MEDIEVAL HISTORY BA) or grit to do real work. These people think they're above working to gain skills.

Real jobs, like engineer, experimental physicist, mathematician, hardware / software integrator, satellite / aeronautical / mechanical instrumentation expert, embedded hardware applications, logistics specialists, etc require hard work at shitty pay for considerable periods of time to learn the skills to get paid well. And they aren't
blowing up their skills out of proportion on social media like these losers OP mentions - they let their work speak for itself. Like >>129225602 touches on.

>>129228362
If you understand agile development, you would also understand that there's no such position. What the agile movement actually argued for and what people actually do is the most amazing mismatch I've ever seen. But we can't do more conservative iterative styles like Spiral or RUP, because MUH BUZZWORDS.

What the scrum master is supposed to do is basically the busywork of making sure the process is going as it should. You maintain the burn-down charts, make sure the stand ups stay below 10 minutes, etc. You also make sure that the customers and developers are on the same page. It's a great thing for the wannabe future manager. Because you get to deal with beginner tasks for managers, without actually being one, so you become like an apprentice manager.

Anyway, Scrum master is a set of busywork SOMEONE has to do, so you should at least get a neat thing on your CV for it. That's the idea. But it's like 30-60 minutes per day if you take it seriously.

>>129228489
Are you from Guyana or some other Island?

Does anyone have or know anyone that has any sort of cool success stories? Like someone who fixes shoes and loves the work and the rest of the time he is some poet or philosopher who will be discovered and celebrated long after he dies? That's more of what I'm aiming for.

>>129247668

>names some of the highest paying jobs
>say that they are shitty pay

>>129247436
I've made a couple of brick ovens for friends. I just make various bricks, colonial, medieval, etc. the dimensions and techniques are pretty easy to find. It's just fun, I live in an area where clay deposits are pretty easy to find along the river

I don't have very many at this moment, but I am planning on building up a reserve over a few years and eventually building something with it.
>>129247195
neat, you mean black locust? I'm out of it's range in the US, but that's a damn good wood

>>129247170
It's satisfying to do physical work but it can also be really stressful and physically demanding.

Why wouldn't I rather take the job that pays more per hour for less physical work?

Dont fall for the "DUDE JUST LEARN A TRADE" meme. I listened to /pol/ and picked up welding, its still the same bullshit.

>hiring entry level welders!
>only require 3 years of TIG welding experience and 5 years MIG welding

>new welder needed
>requires 2 years experience

>finally find a job welding that will hire me off certification and weld test
>$10.50/hour

That's the cool thing to do these days. Get a brogrammer job at one of these carbon copy shit tech companies that has a vegan snackbar. Spend your days creating bullshit to distract and addict people to some garbage that they will throw money at, then go play video games or head down to the local liberal bar and pat yourself on the back over your leet tech salary that made it impossible for the teacher down the street to live in their own community. Fucking faggot ass shitgrammers. 90 percent of these faggots are worthless.

>>129248045
That's pretty neat. I am an apartment cuck so I have no space for working on physical hobbies except gardening the shit out of my balcony so no one can see me sit out there.

>>129248103
>listening to 4chan
>ever

This is 100% your own fault

>>129248103
Go to New York City if you're any good and can pass inspections without a pin hole in 5 inch deep weld that you did while sitting on a float welding a column 60 stories up you can make 120 an hour.
I don't weld I work in Raising gangs but they get the same rate.

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Why is everything so meaningless now ?

>I make swords, armor, etc
>I check wage gender equality in my workplace

>I'm a farmer
>I write useless documents on microsoft word

>I'm a hunter. I'm an expert marksman. I trained archery for all my life, a skill that my father taught me.
>I write clickbait articles and top 10 lists.

>I'm a merchant. I make trips to the far east to sell expensive spices in Europe
>I buy and sell stocks

>I'm a soldier. I'm fighting to keep the infidels and mongols away from Europe.
>I'm a soldier. I destroy countries for greater Israel.

>>129248045
Yes.The EU recognized it and its honey as hungaricum.

>>129247894
>Does anyone have or know anyone that has any sort of cool success stories? Like someone who fixes shoes and loves the work and the rest of the time he is some poet or philosopher who will be discovered and celebrated long after he dies? That's more of what I'm aiming for.

Im also waiting for some inspo with this famalam

>>129248103
>Dont fall for the "DUDE JUST LEARN A TRADE" meme.

wait a sec, so its not STEM anymore ayy?

>>129241861
Given that 8 000 HRK per month is above average, there's no reason not to outsource stuff to Croatia. So long as the areas we'd do business in is low crime, and no corruption, and the local population speaks fluent English, and the transportation network is decent, why not outsource to Croatia?

>>129248103

>work the $10.5 job for 2 years
>apply to job with 2 years experience
>make good money

>>129243356
The Taco Bell Cashier has a useful skillset, and you know exactly what they can do.

That other text just doesn't tell me much of anything.

>>129248103

Not sure where you're at, but I hire good TIG welders (stainless) starting at $16.50/hr with only a year's experience. Got to be clean, show up on time, and have a good attitude.

>>129248063
Because you have pride in yourself and the knowledge that not everybody has your expertise, and thus, your existence adds value to the people around you.
I know these software, middle-management, "Wtf" type people, and they're total wastes of space. All smiles, lots of words, and absolutely nothing to say.
Considering your background, I think you'd last a week in that world before you realize that the physical stress is worth being around and sharing experiences people who have actual personalities.

>>129224946
All old jobs are automated, dumbass

>>129244507
Do you call cooks "kitchen engineers" too?
Receptionists "First Impressions Analyst"?

I fix electronics. It's simple work, gets the bills paid, rapidly evolving so I doubt I'll stagnate in terms of learning new shit.

I just hate dealing with people so much.
>drive 3 hours to my city
>get something done that you don't know if it worked or not for a week
>doesn't work
>throw a big shitfit about how I'm doing business wrong because you live so far away and I'm not willing to just send money via snail mail to you like you demand I do
>mailing shit has gone wrong for me numerous times and I have no means of verifying if he actually receives it, could easily claim he didn't

fuck i hate people. i need a job where i just do things and get paid for it, dealing with the insane variability of humans drives me up the fucking wall

>>129240019
Excellent Trilogy

>>129243194
>That wasn't the question, if you HAD to choose
Survey inside a Survey
This is a special kind of autistic inception

>>129248746
>low crime, and no corruption
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
unfortunately anon that doesnt exist here

>>129224946
What are you talking about? As a social media slash twitter feed organizing second department lead for the product placement planning team at the customer action committee, I strongly disagree!

>>129248572
Read Kaczynski's Industrialized Society and its Future.

>>129238991

lol we had better industry during socialism than we have now. Fuck both capitalist and marxist jews

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>>129248572
>>I make swords, armor, etc
>>I check wage gender equality in my workplace
>>I'm a farmer
>>I write useless documents on microsoft word
>>I'm a hunter. I'm an expert marksman. I trained archery for all my life, a skill that my father taught me.
>>I write clickbait articles and top 10 lists.
>>I'm a merchant. I make trips to the far east to sell expensive spices in Europe
>>I buy and sell stocks
>>I'm a soldier. I'm fighting to keep the infidels and mongols away from Europe.
>>I'm a soldier. I destroy countries for greater Israel.

I needed not to swallow that pill

>Im a doctor I save peoples lives and limbs
>Im a doctor I prescribe at a lifelong supply theNewestTM pill from PharmasteinTM for your bad feelings

>>129248746
Im fine with this, but its shortsighted for everyone

>>129249035
>All old jobs are automated, dumbass

bs

>>129224946
Idk

But I have literally sat at my desk for almost 8 hours today and I haven't done a god damn thing.

>>129248902
>>work the $10.5 job for 2 years
>>apply to job with 2 years experience
>>make good money

Bingo.

A couple of years at the low end pays off if you're not a fuck up. Problem is, most people don't want to put in the time building up skill and proving themselves.

>>129248946
This. Take pride in your auto mechanic knowledge. That is quite a useful skill set. You can literally fix any vehicle. Any problem. You are essentially an engineer or scientist in that you solve problems on the regular with the frequent standard repair procedures. Don't forget that.

And remember it's always some liberal cuck buzzfeed writer that demeans physical labor because they cannot find meaning in their existence where their entire livelihood can be eliminated by adblock.

Because the more hardships we trivialize the more we realize that life has no meaning and all those hardships were doing was fucking you into a coma so you wouldn't notice.

Make your own meaning cuck.

>>129249208
And that's why you don't get outsourced to.
Those two factors make it so expensive to do business that one might as well not bother.

Burger Operative at McDonald's Inc.

>>129224946
Everything is called Engineer these days as well.

>>129247717
Our scrum master has six teams and a 50+ week because of shitty software, shitty reporting requirements and "agile" overall misused to perform the current Dilbert comic of the day for realz. I won't have his job, but to be honest, we couldn't get anything done without him. He deciphers complex shit like "they work only 8h a day man, your ideas will not fly" to the morons in suits.

>>129249315
It's not shortsighted, it's just money flowing where it can do the most work.

And as more people want to hire the reasonably priced Croatians, your price will go up, and you'll make more money.

It's kind of win-win.

>>129225657
Where you play bro?

>>129232235
This.

I've worked manual labor for 10 years. It's overhyped and all of your co-workers are miserable pieces of shit who try to act badass but are really dumb as fuck.

>>129247717
>>129249590


When I was in college we had a fucking class where we had to use Scrum. Most bullshit thing ever, sure it is smart to do diagrams and TODO lists etc but following the method fully, or "not being a scrum-butt" is a fucking pain in the ass and it's not at all a one size fits all - but that's what it is being pitched as. If you have skilled developers the project manager better get the fuck out the way and let them self manage.

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>>129249677
I mean generally outsorcing everything possible, Im no hippie, but working process has become so dehumanizing. china now has all the capital thanks to all out outsorcing of everything and many western people cant get a job or a fullfilling job becouse of it

>inb4-they took our jobs

>>129249590
Are you actually doing Scrum, or are you just using Scrum words but actually do Spiral or Waterfall?

>>129249559
Your mom is a suction engineer

>>129224946
I don't even have a job. Long-term NEET.

It's hard getting through the day without swallowing a bunch of pills.

>>129249926
I had such a class too. (Informatikk, UiB),

We had to do planning poker and everything, but our entire log for the week was literally decided by the staff. It was amazing how shit that class was. I also took Info.Vit.'s version and that was amazing. We were basically just put in teams and told to manage ourselves, because that's how agile work.

Guess what? It really fucking worked.

>>129224946
All the jobs you listed are much easier than blue collar work and pay a lot more in almost every case.

>>129250365
Watch this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o

hopefully it leads to your suicide.

>>129250094
>inb4-they took our jobs

I've literally, only heard welfare queens fire this bullet off.

>>129250120
Depends who you ask. We have lots of depencies to lots of other teams in corp. If we do our own stuff, independently, then we go full agile, optimize and hit our targets well. Scrum also helps a lots in getting off the friction between team members, and how to evenly divide shit jobs and puzzle solvers.

But when we do shits with other team, its practically a knife fight. Any planning goes out of the door and its always escalating one, two departments over. We are practically at the point after two years, that we ask others do shits, and when its ready we test it and that is the moment we integrate it. Everything else fails miserably. Also, too much revolving door. Good people always leave, newbies annoy everybody all the time.

>>129250374

What a coincidence, INF112 right? The teachin' lady looked like death itself and was about as uncharismatic as you can possibly get, and she loved to tout about Scrum and this and that but she clearly didn't have much experience on the matter.

Really varied as far as skill level on the team members - some really suck without knowing it, some of them really liked the whole idea of Scrum too, really makes you think.

>>129224946
You forgot human resources.

>>129250766
>people that don't have jobs are the only one's I've heard complaining about not having jobs

nice one

>>129250543
Why would I do that?

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I work in a parts warehouse.

>>129252043
Maybe you misunderstood. I meant to say, I've only heard welfare queens quote that South Park in order to mock someone who's expressed concerns about immigration leading to a more difficult job market.

>>129247798
Same poster, on mobile now. What the fuck why would I be from Guyana? I've never met a nigger welding inspector in my entire career. Only other white men and a couple of mexicans.

Truly a white man's profession

>>129251505
I forgot a lot of things.

>Lead LGbT Director at Facebook
>Vegan Specialist at JuiceTech
>Lead Worthless Content Creator Lead Specialist at Limitless Drivel LLC
Entrepreneur and Co Founder at BeingGay.xyz
Gay Person at Human Wellness and Education Fund
Chief Co Member Inspirer at Dildo Manufacturers
Barista at High Tech Micro Tolerance Brews

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>>129224946
I maintain and operate heavy equipment faggets

>>129252615
>Barista at High Tech Micro Tolerance Brews

this is actually the only legitimate job, brewing is a craft.

>>129247928

>shitty pay WHILE YOU'RE GAINING THE SKILL TO DO THOSE JOBS

I'm a math PhD working as a research assistant (which is a job) for <$20,000 a year and have to do it for about 5 years before i can get an entry level industry job for less than 6 figures where i'll work for a few years until i'm getting paid the big salary everybody seems to think mathematicians make.

it's like being a doctor. that 45 year old GP might be driving a porsche now, but what you don't see is the years he spend in undergrad/med school/residency/starting years

>>129225657
How many teeth have you lost?

Wtf was up with that blowout last night?

>>129229255
F

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I run a brokk 400 for 185k a year

>>129224946
Is
>Environmental Testing Analyst at Environmental Testing Company
a real job?

>>129238098
>no job satisfaction
>mercenary skills, no company loyalty
>no religion
>no ethnic identity
>Judaism intensifies