Prove me that civic nationalism is a bad thing >pro

Civic nationalism allows niggers and Jews which leads to civilization being destroyed.

>>129222075
it keeps you just happy enough to make you docile

slavs are 100% ethnically pure and still can't pull off anything to save their lives i.e. even if they were 100% ethno-nationalistic they still woulnd't be able to do anything.

Switzerland is largely civic nationalistic and outperforms everybody. We have like 25-30% immigrants or more.


Really makes you think.

>>129222168
fpbp
Fuck off, nation of cucks.

>>129222381
then why not be an EU nationalist? a hemisphere nationalist? civic nationalism is just globalism but more slowly

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>>129222075

>>129222381
>We have like 25-30% immigrants or more.

how many of them are arabs or nogs

>>129222075
Civic nationalism doesn't exist.
Ethnic and nation has the same meaning. All nationalism is inherently ethnic

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>>129222381
Russia was the most powerful nation in the world several times in history.

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>>129222381
>ex commie states that have corrupted politicians can't bounce back
>it must be because they aren't civic nationalists
You are literally retarded m8rino
also have fun having ahmed rape your daughter
consider suicide or go back to plebbit

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>>129222971
Half of their administration was german though

>>129222776
>>129223023
>>129223071
I don't get it. Trump was never a nationalist

>>129223241
It shows that niggers and spics are ready to forfeit any sort of national identity/beliefs because they are the only ones that benefit from a welfare state

i dont really care about the opinion of non factor countries, like greater slavia/eaast europe or brazil rofl
if you think your country can do better, good for you,

make sure you stay the fuck away from western europe


>>129222692

because the EU is filled with slavic shit holes that would pull us down immensely, absolutely nothing is to be gained by teaming up with slavs

>>129222168
/thread

>>129223385
No you pathetic autistic retard
make sure you don't send muzzies and niggers to any state that doesn't want to commit suicide so they can have a better economy

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>>129222075
if it means I have to live around niggers then it's bad by default

>>129223385
how is this civic nationalism then?

>>129222168

You're naked and fat and sad.

>>129222075
Your post reeks of lazy bait and for that you are a nigger, but on the matter of Civic Nationalism, it seems to depend on whether or not you personally buy into the opinions of jews who want the world over in their pocket and weak. If you allow decent people into your society, its impossible to know if the jews are weaseling their puppetstrings through your nation.

>>129222168 is partially retarded. the whole point of civic nationalism is to keep fucking niggers and degenerates out. Ethnic nationalist can bray and bitch about MUH DIJENORICY, but the problem is that you can point out filthy, unthinking, lazy degenerates in any culture or race. Thats why they slip back to ITS THE JEWS WEAKENING MY CULTURE WHITE MAN WAKE UP so often.
>but what about Sheriff Clarke? What about all the "honorary whites" that come up?
>>129222192
also makes no sense. To keep your nation strong, moral, and just would take the utmost vigilance. Docile folk will always have their way of life taken by them. Pride and an upheld sense of identity are a necessity in upholding the civic nationalism values. When a standard for morality and accountability becomes known to the common man, you will prosper. When you can speak of people who simply do not deserve to be amongst your population, based solely on their actions, then you will be able to speak of the problems of society itself the world over and how to combat them. None of this pussy-footing around peoples feelings.

Civic Nationalists are the true soldiers against degeneracy

Ethnic Nationalist are against Asian Male White Female relationships because they are afraid. They are afraid for something they have not contributed to, something you can't contribute to, something that doesn't, hasn't, and will never exist. If fear is what drives you, then you can guarantee that someone is manipulating you. Not every nigger is the same creed, just as not every part of the White "race" is the same creed. Come to think of it, there is absolutely no cohesion in this "race".

>>129223586
you're ugly have crocked teeth and are shit skinned

>>129222075

It's pretty good.

There are zero arguments as to why a nation should not import skilled workforce that it needs.

At my engineering company we have people from 28 different countries. I don't care what you NEET losers think about them, the fact of the matter is that they are necessary for the regional economy of my country and no amount of you REEE'ing is going to change that.

>>129223646
civic nationalism would say that mexicans could all move to america and become americans, so whats the difference from that and merging with mexico? the borders? whats so special about the borders? its just globalism, so call yourself a globalist

>>129222075
Yeah I know, even the national socialists in France are civic faggots.

I feel bad for light frenchmen.

>>129223809
have fun with the "racial tensions" in 30 years
then the "racial protests" in 40
then the "racist protests" in 45
then the literal butchering in the streets in 50

>>129223717
this is either a terrible bait or you're just mentally handicapped

>>129222922

yep, Switzerland has plenty of Germans, French, Italians, which makes sense, seeing as they're "german swiss", "french swiss", "italian swiss". Probably have Austrians, too.

>>129224020

Those problems will be because of our immigration policy in general, not because of the skilled workforce we import to deal with shortage in healthcare/engineering and other areas where natives are not productive enough.

Your argument is retarded as to what I was saying.

>>129224334
>The skilled workforce we import will never bring their unskilled family members or procreate and instill completely different ideologies in their children
you are retarded is what i'm saying

>>129223241
Trump doesn't like gibs

>>129224334
Context is important
Usually civnats aren't concerned about skilled immigration
They are pro multiculti pro open border and that's why they can't call themselves nationalists

>>129224574

Do you think family reunification will be a thing under a nationalist system?

How retarded are you exactly? It was limited here by centrist-right government, what do you think a nationalist one will do?

You are completely retarded, but I shouldn't expect much from a Turkish rapebaby who only knows murder and death.

>>129223911

Anybody that comes here, integrates over a long time and provides something for the country is allowed to call himself swiss, that's "civic nationalism". That doesn't mean every fucking nignog is allowed to come.

The idea that there is some tribal and friendly connection between white people specifically is mostly bullshit anyway, if shitskins weren't around, people would just be busy fucking with their neighbours.

There is a reason why slavic countries are shit tier, and it's not as easy as blaming communism.

>>129224285

We have lots of slavs too, and a decent amount of shitskins/pooinloos , but very few niggers (thankfully).

The most troublesome group is by far the slavs and the (illegal) niggers that managed to slip in.

>>129223379
>It shows that niggers and spics are ready to forfeit any sort of national identity
Isn't Trump the same?

>>129224813

>They are pro multiculti pro open border

This is so false I question if you actually believe this yourself or just how far you will go to make everything that isn't 14/88 nationalism into some kind of leftist scheme.

>>129223911
>civic nationalism would say that mexicans could all move to america and become americans, so whats the difference from that and merging with mexico?

Strawman.

Civic nationalism is about having a nationally understood identity of culture. Many spics ive had work for me had a history of crime, had very little desire to integrate, and a general resentment to change. Worse of all is that they never seem to care much about politics in a greater sense, but just want to get what personally would increase their households income (ill grant that this is probably tied to the tendency of the spic to obsessively provide for their family).

These people do not belong in my country. They should be in the land of their birth and culture and attempt to improve it if it isnt good enough for them. They should have never been let in. Borders are crucial because they are the point where we can say who is good enough and who is not. Who gets to be a part of our culture and who doesnt.

I dont get people that think civic nat. is globalist. Its the fucking opposite. It is literally the Niggers and Degenerates Get Out REEEEE of political ideas. Borders are HOW you defend your culture and identity.

Ethnic nationalists will always be caught trying to chase their own tails because of the degenerates who shit up their system but get to because theyre white. Every Antifa member Ive met was white. Every clinton voter i know who actually knew what her policies were, was white.

>>129224020
In an actual Civic Nationalist society that understood itself as such, this kind of shit would not stand because its detrimental to society. Its as simple as that. The reason these things happen now is BECAUSE our nations are cowards and wont acknowledge a national identity.

>>129223809

you're a narrow minded fool. The company decided they needed to bring in foreigners because they couldn't get their throat filled enough and now you act as though you would have all starved if they weren't around.

It also proves Norwegians are mostly dumb idiots. According to your post, you're not able to sustain yourself.

>>129225011
But then I must ask you why do you put "civic" there?

>>129222075
It's a ploy. It's meant to cover up the problems that arise in multicultural and multiethnic societies by giving it an ideological, feely purpose.
They actually never work though. There is not a single successful country which is not segregated or plagued with corruption or other signs of low interethnic trust. And don't say Switzerland - that's the exception that proves the rule.

>>129224827
you fucking moron holy shit how short sighted can you be
It's textbook subversion of cultural beliefs
How long do you think it'll take for that "centrist-right" government to be outvoted by shitskins that benefit from there being more of them
or how about the quadrupled birthrates of any shitskin
letting in a minuscule amount of them would only tip the first domino and get the cycle going
do any of you retarded millennials remember the europe pre migrants?
It was the same bullshit you're experiencing now
You'll let a couple of skilled workers in that actually immigrate properly, their proximity will loosen the "rightwing" government, they'll let more of them in, left wing retards along with every shitskin will start subverting any sort of nationalistic pride and will call it racism
and you get the US
what'll happen next is the same thing that happened here and it's the same thing that'll happen in my previous post

>>129224965
He is don't get me wrong, but in the elections he was portrayed as the idealistic president that will be against that
we got swindled m8

>>129225084
>implying any shitskin won't be a shortsighted retard that will just perceive it as we versus them
racial tensions are inevitable
you are naive if you think otherwise

>>129225349

no, there is an actual lack of skilled people and smaller countries that aren't slavic shit holes depend on immigrants if they want to remain competitive
if you have a degree from a reputable uni in math, physics, computer science I could get you a job in less than 10 minutes and with a couple of phone calls


>>129225645

rofl stop larping you dumb faggot, nobody is trying to subverse anything, people just move to where they have the best living conditions

nobody cares about your dumb conspiracy theories or about right wing / natsoc movement

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>>129223646
>that you can point out filthy, unthinking, lazy degenerates in any culture or race.
I'm so fucking tired of /reddit/ posting their ignorance here.

Look up crime statistics and IQ of other races.

>>129226041
you stupid civic faggot there is no conspiracy to subvert anything it's human nature to want to instill your ideologies in your kids
those ideologies clash with ours
it's basic fucking nature you stupid plebbit retard fuck off this forum if you can't understand something as basic as this

>>129224866

what about muslims, they're just peacefully using up social services?

>>129224866
so you let people of other nations mix, just at a slower rate as i said, its no different from globalism other than rate and your magical borders.

>>129225084
>Borders are crucial because they are the point where we can say who is good enough and who is not. Who gets to be a part of our culture and who doesnt.
and why? for what reason? if anyone can become an american, why should some generic clay mould people be outside your borders and some inside? you cant only pick certain people you want either and expect it to be different because their kids will be their own people separate from the ones you let in.

>>129222075
>your country's politics now consist of different ethnic groups infighting each other over the largest piece of the pie instead of competing with other countries

>>129226574
eloquent as fuck anon
i'm gonna steal that line

Dirt and documents isn't/aren't magical and doesn't make different groups come together and sing kumbaya. Nationalism is inexplicably tied to one's own ethnic identity.

>>129226574
integrated micro-war

>>129225349

No, not in this case, as our region would not be able to sustain the level of production we have without outside workforce. It is not about greed, it's about actual wealth creation in terms of jobs and production.

We aren't dumb idiots, half our country is so sparsely populated that you literally can't find enough people who have the skills to perform in high level positions.

>>129225451

Because the counter-point to it seems to be ethno-nationalism, which is essentially what you will have in European states under civic nationalism. Ethno-nationalism in Europe would mean a separation of the ethnic population and everything else in terms of rule of law.

Currently all mainstream nationalist parties like SD in Sweden are "civic" nationalists.

>>129225645

I don't even understand what you are writing, you write nonsense that makes no sense at all given the politics of my country or most of the West.

We've had 40 years of liberal policy when it comes to immigration. A nationalist approach to the situation is inevitable and already happening
here.

It might be too late, but not because of the skilled workforce. The problems with immigration in Norway has always been the massive amount of unskilled workforce that congregate in the East, and it has nothing to do with the objective need for skilled workforce in sectors we cannot cover.

>>129226256

we lucked out on the mudslimes , ours are/were largely integrated really well, nobody speaks turkish on the streets here

It's largely because our school system in the 80s and 90s was very strict, and even the dumbest immigrants were whipped so hard they banded together with the Swiss in an effort to "rebel".

>>129226237

as i said, you arej ust a mad dog repeating his own opinion to himself until he is 100% sure he is right and going full retard over it , kind of like some fanatic mongoloid
people that immigrated themselves and aren't white are usually against immigration, and most of them are even against taking refugees


>>129226259

no , they come here, and they integrate i.e. they become swiss in every way they can sans coloring themselves white
they talk our language, they eat what we eat, they also behave like we do in many cases , and they work with us , not against us (foreigners pay a lot of fucking money into our system actually, because they generally are doing very well)

>>129227342
>No, not in this case, as our region would not be able to sustain the level of production we have without outside workforce.

I wonder if that's true. Why can't some cityfags go to your region?

>>129223781
You have a cool flag.

>>129227636
>you are wrong because you are a mad dog
>people of different races do not have completely different ideologies than the dominant culture
>this is why 90% of shitskins voted for Clinton
you are the one who's "facts" are based on fairy tales m8rino

>>129227710
you too

>>129226259
>Why? for what reason?
Because certain patterns of behavior and ideals lead to the degradation of a moral and just society. If you let cultures that do not or CANNOT integrate with yours into your country, it will either result in violence, the outbreeding of the parent culture, or if the parent culture is weak and overly lefty its just handed over.
Youre once again strawmaning. I never said anyone can become an american, i said the opposite.

>why should some generic clay mould people be outside your borders and some inside?

Because I know that not every person outside of my culture is a degenerate nigger, some of them have my cultures values and desire to uphold them, and those people should not be turned away just because they have a skintone. Thats autistic.

ou cant only pick certain people you want either and expect it to be different because their kids will be their own people separate from the ones you let in.

I literally fucking can. Either the immigrant integrates or gets removed. If the kid is a citizen but doesnt hold the values of the culture, hes just a nigger who will end up in prison on his way to lethal injection or rehabilitation.
>>129226574
This would only be the case if the parent culture cucked to non-compatible immigrants. And its fucking hilarious that an ethnic nationalist would bring this up when all an ethnostate would result in is CONSTANT infighting over who was white enough and who wasnt ACTING white enough and who maybe had a mixed heritage and was probably a threat and who isnt the right kind of white and maybe that shade of hair is indicative of a sub-optimal white.
NON of the mixed mongrels of /pol/ would last in an ethnostate. I have no idea how you autistic morons would expect its nation to function with any liberty or automation when every corner and shadow is hiding the Jew, the degenerate antifa fag who unexplainably is whiter than you, and the nay-sayers who want to rethink what a nations values are.

>>129222075
What even is civic nationalism? How is it different from muh open borders sjwism?

>>129227342
You're either a nationalist or not. If you have to distance yourself from it by calling you civic or whatever, it creates all kind of vulnerability. What is the ideological basis of having border then? Some nog in africa points finger at the lowest retard in your country and says "Hey if he is allowed there, you must allow me in too. I'll eat your food and put your flag on." This is basically civic nationalism line of thinking.

>>129222075
Niggers are proof enough.

>inb4 pseudo-science arguments and IQ charts

>>129227665

Generally people prefer to live in cities over rural areas, people have been moving to cities for decades and it makes it very hard to attract people who already have the capability to work in more competitive areas.

That's why you'll earn twice as much in districts in rural Norway compared to the big cities if you work in a government position for example. I don't agree with their method, but it tells you something about the situation when even the government struggles to attract people to regions that are sparsely populated even for basic functions.

>>129222075
There is nothing wrong with Civic Nationalism, in America. Your culture, history, and contemporary form must inspire pride and assimilate incoming culture to qualify.

>>129222168
threads done. you can close this tab now. sage.

>>129227937

ye , your country produced people like yourself, i wonder why it's a non factor shit hole if you are so brilliant.

you should go and convince your country men to not let anybody else in ... oh wait... nobody wants to come anyway ... now what you faggot?

and maybe you don't realize , but people that immigrate understand very well that the reason why the countries they immigrate to are doing better, and ALL of them understand it's because of the culture (swiss people are more on time, stricter etc. everybody will tell you that if you ask them). And 99% of the immigrants also try to adapt and integrate, not all of them manage to do it, but I've never met anybody that outright tried to live in his own "foreign cultural" bubble.

the subversion is not coming from outside, it's happening from within i.e the neoliberal marxists spawned by "jewish" philosophers - and immigrants hate these faggots (they literally call them faggots) because they understand that they are generally just spoilt rich kids trying to feel good by SJWing

>>129228356
Read the fucking thread.

Civic nats. believe that people can be good people if they have the right values and culture instilled to them. Ethnic nats. want skin color. Idiots and degenerates and pedophiles welcome, as long as theyre WHITE idiots, degenerates, and pedophiles :^)

>>129228416

The words are largely meaningless here, as they are used here in a context that is different from their more academic use.

In the context here, ethno-nationalism would be a state where there would be some form of discrimination either positive or negative depending on your status.

You can label it just nationalism if you want, the distinction I'm making is one as it relates to the rule of law.

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>>129222168
Fpbp

>>129228356
Ill also point out that actual civic nationalism requires the parent culture to actually assert its identity and defend it. Im not saying america is anywhere near that. If you cant say "these values are beneficial to a society and these values are shit and can go fuck out" then your SOL and will lose a culture war that you cant even acknowledge generation by generation.

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>>129222168
Fpbp

>>129222381
You don't really outperform anyone except in living conditions, where everyone else would beat you if only they had an immigration policy as strict as yours

>>129228631
Implying me and my countrymen would rather sell away our national pride and stability for measly shekels
At the end of the day i come home to a safe neighborhood where i can safely let my children play outside i can also allow myself all of the pleasantries you experience as well
I've been to Switzerland as well m8 and after seeing those muzzies and morrocans sitting around on benches smoking weed and not working i can safely say that you are on a slippery slope
have fun spending those shekels after the butchering in the streets m8to
i hope it would have been worth it

>>129229527
Your entire post is an argument for civic nationalism you autist. You speak of cultures and values but call it skin tone and race

>>129228818
>nationalists don't have laws and let pedos rape children
i think you confused civic nationalists there m8rino
i don't remember my rape or terrorists stats rising like sweden or germany
really gets my noggin joggin

>>129225645
Precisely this. 10 years ago it was normal to talk about American culture, today it's considered offensive.

The idea that lowering the average iq of a democracy would be a benefit is fucking hilarious. If these people were capable of producing a Hamilton or a Madison, would they be coming here?

>>129229393

lol, we have the best everything and you fucking dumb burger are spouting some retarded shit , living conditions encompasses pretty much everything, how can you just come here and say "EXCEPT in living conditions" , what else are you going to do other than living in a country you dumb faggot


>>129229900

ye because raping goats isn't recorded in any statistic you autistic piece of shit

>>129229527

You actually have higher rates of crime in practically any statistics than Switzerland.

Apparently you are safe where you live, and the Swiss guy is twice as safe.

>>129222168
Civic cucks BTFO

>>129229134
Nationalism is exclusive. Or discriminating as you call it. Civic nationalism or whatever that is called is inherently inclusive ideology. If you identify yourself of a member of a culture you are welcome. Civic nationalism is an oxymoron

>>129227636
so by that logic why not merge usa and canada, or france and germany into single nations? they can assimilate and eat the same kebabs, learn the same english and all is happy right?
>>129228118
>Because certain patterns of behavior and ideals lead to the degradation of a moral and just society
and these patterns of behavior come from where? they should assimilate like your civic nationalism says and become great burger loving americans, right?

>those people should not be turned away just because they have a skintone
ethnicity is much different than skintone, but i think you know that.

>If the kid is a citizen but doesnt hold the values of the culture, hes just a nigger who will end up in prison on his way to lethal injection or rehabilitation
and why would you want to inflict this on yourselves? look how many blacks and mexicans you have to pay for and feed in your prisons already.

>>129229778
Your argument is based on the false claim that ideologies can be readily changed
That is a baseless lie
It is only logical to conclude that people when people branched off 50K years ago and experienced morphological differences they would experience behavioral ones as well.
Groups of people that are more prone to violence will always have ideologies that support it
black crime statistics prove this

>>129230049
You produce no art worth preserving, you have no cultural effluvium, etc
There's nothing easier in the world than producing good living conditions if you're a tiny, irrelevant place taking in select immigrants. You had to count to ten and you managed to, congratulations

>>129230049
>get btfod
>NATIONALISTS RAPE GOATS
>YOU ARE A GOAT RAPPER
also do you know what people rape goats the most m8?
i'll give you a hint
it starts with mud and ends in slime

>>129230077
>a statistic that has the places with the most religious tensions with the norm
>YOU ARE LESS SAFE THEN US
remove 3 cities and the crime is 0

>>129230254

The point I'm trying to make to you is that Japan is a nationalist country, but you don't limit rights to people who are citizens based on their status. There might be some discrepancy here, but overall the status as citizen grants you the same rights regardless of origin.

>>129230254
A culture is more in the minds of men than in their genes, so theoretically civic nationalism would be possible under strict conditions, but it will never be tried because it's just a cover for unlikited corporate workers

>>129222075
I won't try to prove it. You'll realize it eventually. See you in the wasteland nigger.

>>129230077
Of course he is, Switzerland is richer. What's your point?

>>129229900
As ive said, the ENTIRE focus on civic nationalism is decent behavior and upstanding moral citizenship. Be a good person, dont break the law.

Its about building and protecting (which is the part you seem to ignore) a functioning and moral culture.

Meanwhile Ethnotards have to deal with people of their ethnicity having the capacity to behave like shit despite being white, which isnt a matter youve addressed as of yet. What do you do when people of your ethnicity start to capitulate to destructive degeneracies and ruinous political ideas other than moan "ITS THE JEWS!" like a nigger moans "ITS THE WHITE MAN!"? Or is such a possiblity completely impossible because your skin tone denotes a capacity for ideal societal cohesion and no one within your ethnicity would ever disagree with it? I assume if every citizen of your nation was also of your ethnicity then it would be a one party, perfectly automated utopia where no one felt the need to disagree about anything because youd all have the same skin tone?

>>129230840
after arguing with these retards i reached the same conclusion
like germany pre ww2 they will realize it and act on it
and when times are easy they will forget it and this retardation will continue
it's sad

>>129222075
What's nationalistic about it? It doesn't recognize the existence of a nation. The whole world is your "nation" as long as it accepts your values. It's globalism, plain and simple, just with an insistence your country be sold to the highest bidder.
Despicable.

>>129230681

So what your saying is can apply selectively when crime matters and when they don't.

Yeah I'll just discount the cities where people actually live, it's all good my man.

>>129230920

You mean what is the point of refuting someone who claims to live in safer country but all statistics show the opposite? I'll let you figure that one out yourself.

>>129230274

dunno what you are on about , nobody is talking about unrestricted immigration here,
taking in skilled immigrants that are willing to integrate has only benefits , but you are restricted by 1. size of your own population 2. size of your country 3. amount of jobs 4. compatibility of the peolpe wanting to immigrate etc. just common sense things

>>129230357

people come here just to breathe our air and you are talking some dumb shit about how we are the worst , go kys you fat donut shaped burger

>>129230488

why don't you start by making your own country relevant you little shit poster, instead of trying to tell the big bois what they should do or how they should deal with their countries that are having a stellar global performance

>>129231007
Great, and what country besides switzerland is following your advice and not diminishing its average iq?

>>129229778
Niggers are niggers due to genetics. They'll never not be niggers and no one likes a nigger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrudlJ9x4WA

>>129230736
Japan is homogeneous country. No one talks about civic nationalism here. Civic nationalism is a compromise that you talk about after your country becomes multiethnic.

>>129231321
>Switzerland
>big bois
O my sides

>>129231321
>nobody is talking about unrestricted immigration here
right, were talking about civic nationalism, so thats globalism at a slow rate instead of a fast rate. unrestricted immigration is just faster

>>129231452

> breathes heavily in between swiss produced insulin shots

>>129231546
*fades away and no one notices*

>>129231441

Don't see what that has got to do with my post.

You have a nationalist country that doesn't discriminate by law the rights of citizens, regardless of ethnic origin. Even if you rarely give citizenship, the rule of law is the same for all citizens.

This is what 90% of nationalists in real life want, and it's different from what is promoted here. Which is a separation of the law between citizens based on race.

>>129231321
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
>i can't argue with you therefore you are irrelevant
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
swiss faggot thinks his country matters
HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
>he doesn't realize that economy or influence don't mean shit when your daughter gets raped, and your close family butchered
AHAHAHAHHAHAH

>>129231825
The law never had the need to discriminate, you blockhead.

>>129231300
>racial tensions cause crimes
>these 3 cites have those tensions
>they are the only cities that have crime
>civic nationalism is good
wut?

>>129231509

no it's not, civic nationalism doesn't mean you can't push your own native populations' fertilization rate etc. i like seeing swiss children and beautiful swiss women, but i really don't mind that shitskin every now and then , and i definitely don't have any fantasies about some "pure" country whatever that might mean

but as i said before, the reason, the root of why we need immigrants in the first place , is leftist neoliberalism which is also the root cause of feminism

i'll tell you why these mudslime situations could have never happened 20-30 years ago: because the education was MUCH stricter, teachers were almost on the verge of being latent racists, but in exchange the shitskins usually turned out to be either very well integrated (as a result of rebelling) or ended up performing extremely well (in the academic sense).

SJW literally destroyed the system by making it softer against minorities, which made them less educated.

>>129230357
Literally no one gives a shit about art anymore you nu-male cuckold.

>>129232039

What?

You claimed you live in a safer country than Switzerland. What the reasons for that is irrelevant, the fact is that you don't live in a country that is safer than Switzerland.

I fail to see how you can argue with statistics.

>>129231339
I have no argument against that and it frustrates me to no end. Western politics is a garbage fire and we are constantly met with choosing what we see as the lesser of two evils.

At this point id say an actual civic nat. society is almost as much a pipe dream utopia as a ethnic nat. society ever coming to fruition, in the west at least. Ethnies will never be able to cease infighting about whose white enough and what to do with the people who dont act "white" and a civic nationalist society would need a government that could stand up and say that people who werent good enough needed to be noticed and understood as such, and that people outside of the nation who werent good enough could eat shit. I NEVER see america ever coming to this result.

At the end of the day, ethic nationalists, civic nationalists, and fucking all sorts of anarchists for that matter are stuck with the fact that a strong system is built on strong ideals, and when we let feels become reals it cuts our nations deep and weakens our spine. So we all just hoot and cheer for movements and political motions that TEND towards our ideals, but it most likely fails to satisfy due to the weakness and overwhelming corruption of our political systems (Trump)

>>129232079
This, just said them to school or they'll blow you up
Christ you swiss are a stupid bunch

Whites are going to be a minortiy so it makes no sense to antagonize minorities who will be a plurality
Nott o ly that interracial marriage is exploding in popularity . I am a white guy with a black wife and 3 multi racial kids. Whites will just have to realize we arent the sole voice in society and civic virtues will guide us.

>>129232039

i'm not even going to try and reason with you since you are a poor little slav whose biggest accomplishment in the last 100 and next 1000 years is having access to the global world wide web

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>>129227342
>I don't even understand what you are writing
It was pretty clearcut.
Immigration is a slippery slope. When you import a few they'll always vote to import more because it gives them more influence.
Even the Asians every CivNat loves has more loyalty to their own than the nation they immigrate to.
Hell Chinese immigrants are responsible for most espoinage in the west.
Because why be loyal if they're only here for money? And that's the only reason your "skilled workers" are coming.

>>129222168
this

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>>129222168
This

>>129231825
Nationalists don't want to discriminate either. They just want them gone. Civnats don't want them gone. Civnats are not nationalists.

ITT people dont read the thread and bring up the same points over and over while we shitsling about our personal utopias

Bless this shitty board.

>>129232244

they are sent to school anyway, almost 75% or something ridiculous like that go to a higher education school in France which allows them to go to uni, but nowadays when a shitskin is bad and behaves badly you just accept it as a teacher and shift around the responsibility for him
in the past you would take a stick to him and whip him into shape , and since you did that to every child it connected them and formed friendships between them because they were all struggling against a common enemy

>>129232364

I'll repeat it for you, what you write are just platitudes that has nothing to do with this conversation. It's like you think you are writing some mind blowing piece of information.

Here is a hint for you, we already know we have fucked up.

>>129222168
Whites arent reproducing. Who will even defend "white" nations in 20 years? Race doesnt matter, culture does

>>129231007
you are strawmanning like crazy please stop
provide arguments for your civic nationalism stop strawmaning nationalism
learn to argue
Firstly you fail to realize the objective differences between individual races
In a society in which some people are without fault of their own forced to be in a specific caste is immoral to both the people on the bottom and the people at the top
If you fail to realize that human nature dictates this and no amount of brainwashing will change this then you are morally as well as logically bankrupt
Secondly crime in a ethnostate is solved the same way in every different state and the fact is that crime is very closely tied to race if you see any US crime statistics you can easily come to this conclusion
also the joooos thing is also a strawman stop that

>>129232187
yes the city i inhabit is 100% white and has no crime
therefore safer

>>129232301
Have fun getting raped klaus
i hope you'll be a happy little boy taking ahmed's seed

>>129222075
the law favors the Jew, degenerate

>>129232364
thanks for replying i was lazy

>>129232757

not wanting to end up a third world shit hole like macedonia is a pretty good argument for civic nationalism

>>129233102

you have more rapes in macedonia than we do in Switzerland, you have more crimes, you have less everything (education , race, culture)

we beat you at everything and yet you are still larping as some deus vult faggot

>>129232683
>platitude therefore wrong
is gravity wrong as well you absolute faggot
do you even know what that means?

>>129233373

you also have no clue about race , probably because you have none

>>129222075

Im sure it has already been, but Id just like to point out that when the time comes, it wont matter what you think and you will be treated as a race traitor. Go cry about your based negro friends being insulted by the term coalburner elsewhere, like Reddit.

sage

>>129223586
Congrats you got a 33%

>>129232079
>but i really don't mind that shitskin every now and then , and i definitely don't have any fantasies about some "pure" country whatever that might mean
that's how it all starts.

>>129222075
>1 post by this ID

>>129226225
Blacks like murder & drugs.
Whites like to rape & be pedophiles
Do away with blacks you would have less murder & drugs but you would still have the pedo rapist running around seeing as whites are genitally predisposed to be sexually depraved.

>>129233507
America is a post racial society.
Want proof? Every time there is a white nationalist gathering average whites have to be physically restrained from attacking the nazis.
White peoplr woild be the first ones to attack and kill white supremacists

>>129233350
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
>you are trying to stop the same thing that caused your crime statistics in another European country
>YOU ARE STUPID I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE YOU
i'm telling you retards you are wrong because the same thing happened here in a couple of places thus causing crime
my city is still 100% white so you can suck my penor because i'll still love living here
idk though believe what you want
it's your people's lives on the line

>>129233730

take 10% shitskins and keep your economy + living standards and ensure a proper future for your children

or become economically irrelevant and end up like 100% ethnically pure countries like poland/yugoslavia etc.


really fucking hard choice m8

>>129232727
>roots don't matter, petals do

>>129232201
>Ethnies will never be able to cease infighting about whose white enough
That's a US-specific problem. It's not relevant elsewhere. A swede is a swede and that's that.
>and what to do with the people who dont act "white" and a civic nationalist
They're here already. You can't not let them in. You can't deport them. You can throw the book at them. That's no different in either system. Only they're a whole lot more rare, and your people in a nationalistic society. Instead of having roving packs of feral niggers in your civic "nationalism".

>>129233505
how can i not have race
or were you grasping at straws because you don't know what a platitude is?

>>129232079
>you can't push your own native populations' fertilization rate etc. i like seeing swiss children and beautiful swiss women
if the native population is getting separate treatment than the rest of the population, is it still civic nationalism? if not right away, it will either morph into it eventually as the minority fights for itself, and then you have the logical justification for globalism or it will break down into ethnic violence.

>the shitskins usually turned out to be either very well integrated (as a result of rebelling) or ended up performing extremely well (in the academic sense).
of course, when you bring in the top tier of a countries people they perform really well but eventually they die and because they were such outliers to be allowed in their kids are usually much closer to the average ability of their home country, so in the end you may have gotten a short term boost but end up with the same problem as unrestricted immigration a little later.

ethnic nationalism has its own very shitty aspects like genocides and wars for autarky but if you actually want to be nationalist its the only way to go, globalism might be the better option in the end desu because while its horrible and violent like brazil it wont kill everybody

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>>129222168
/thread

>>129222168
I actually agree with this, but what about civic nationalism with a touch of meritocracy? Wouldn't this naturally filter out problematic people like niggers and kikes?

>>129232727
This is why civnats are self destructive. Culture changes. For example British culture is now sharia culture. So British civnats should be pro sharia. Driving trucks is French culture. Groping women is German culture. There is no fixed cultural value. If it worked like that, all American civnats should be riding horses with cowboy hats.
And more glaring problem. How do you deal with someone born in your soil but doesn't conform to your own culture?
Do you have citizenship test for everyone? Deport them to space? How do you call yourself a nationalist if you aren't willing to protect it?

>>129233804
No its an anti-white society.
Those cucks would never want to punch black nationalists or la raza spics. Its not post-racial. No society is, thats a great little delusion you idiots hold and it WILL be shattered.

I honestly don't even have to argue with your civic nationalist ideas since they are crumbling as we speak on a daily basis

>>129234277
it's morally bankrupt to allow those people's children to be a part of a cast system
They are adapted for different environments and should be left were they are adapted for

>>129233896
And another 10% next generation, and another, and another until your children are just a tiny little minority with no sovereignty, no country and no rights save what the shitskins decide to grant them.

Sounds marvelous. Who wants a future anyway.

>>129234277
Meritocracy is unworkable egalitarian utopian nonsense just like communism and the Venus project. Even if it somehow worked, it would lack the benefits of a homogenous nation and wouldn't be worth the effort.

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>>129222168

So, if niggers and kikes assimilated into your nation's culture adopted your culture's values YOU'RE the loser? Wow, I would have thought the loser would be the culture being shirked off and supplanted with your culture, but what do I know?

>>129234497
You try to advocate for a white ethno state and I will laugh my ass off as white people kick your ass.
Who will be fighting for you? Trailer trash?

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>>129234772
>Niggers rape and pillage because they are so amazingly assimilated
>300 years of assimilation isn't enough goy they need more time

>>129233984

you don't have any clue about race or physical anthropology , but not gonna bother with you about this

>>129234053

the native get special treatment anyway, because they are the majority and are always going to treat themselves better than the rest
and the kids of successful immigrants are usually doing really really well in this country, so i don't know what you are on about

and it's not a short term boost, we need this to sustain ourselves, i know many high tech companies that produce sensors used in iphones and shit and they don't have enough people, they don't WANT to take pajeet, they HAVE to, because otherwise they will simply not be able to remain on the market.

as i said earlier, if you have a degree in math , CS , physics from a reputable uni, hit me up and i'll get you a job in Switzerland in less than 10 minutes

>>129234550
Why does whiteness matter? Humanity is the only race

>>129222168
fpbp

>>129233896
>take 10% shitskins and keep your economy + living standards and ensure a proper future for your children
those shitskins aren't going to stay at 10% forever, and you don't need them anyways if all they do is sell drugs and perform menial, low wage jobs that won't even be needed in 20 years if they work at all. but by all means, sell out your childrens future, become a >52% meme tier crime ridden, overpopulated shithole with no future and crumbling infrastructure. but hey at least you'll have a large-ish economy!

>>129234956
>you're a bio major but don't know race goy
>let me tell you what negros are completely fine and can assimilate anytime they want
>but i'm smarter so stop arguing
wut?

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>>129234529
>>129234765
Perhaps, but let's be honest with ourselves. Normies would go for IQ tests, achievement tests, competence tests, creativity and empathy tests rather than LE WHITE NATIONALISM HANG THE KIKES GAS NIGGERS.

Personally I have no problem with doing those things, but be real, you know which one is more likely to take hold and act as a stepping stone to something better (aka only whites).

>>129234966
>whiteness
No you dumb mutt, his people.

>>129234927
>Niggers rape and pillage because they are so amazingly assimilated

I never said they were. But I'm all for them espousing traditional American values.

>>129234956
How is engineering job is Switzerland? I literally make sensors in uni

>>129235134
Why dont white people have kids? I am a white man with a black wife and 3 kids but no one is stopping you from reproducing.
You just want someone to do it for you.

>>129235184
It would be basically impossible to weed out unsavory genes from negros or shitskins
It's like starting with a black canvas when you want to paint the mona lisa
You'd have to invest more effort to paint it white and then paint the mona lisa

>>129235288
So 300 years of assimilation isn't enough for them being instilled with american culture but you can do it in 1 generation
Because their ineptitude isn't based in any sort of genetic predispositions it's nurture
come on now you know that something isn't quite right with your conclusion

>>129234550

the problem is in the natives not getting enough children, not people wanting a better life, working their asses off , studying for hard science degrees etc. ofc i prefer some cute swiss child over some ahmed but what do you want me to do? force every swiss woman to breed with me ?

trust me, if companies could find locals to do the job, they would take them , but they can't , they don't exist, locals don't want to study, they want to do exciting stuff such as become doctors and play greys anatomy IRL or work easy jobs

immigrants have nothing to do with the state of white people not getting enough children, they are on the same side as us in this case, the people to blame for it are the hook noses that are promoting neo liberalism since the last 40-50 years


>>129235332

learn german, polish your CV and move the fuck here, it's great, but the jobs are boring (as usual in engineering)

>>129235168

the shitskins that come are largely aurignacoid mediterranoids, if you were a biology major with a brain you would understand that 1. most of them will never breed with a white woman and 2. the ones that do have practically no influence racially, because the racial base of switzerland is itself aurignacoid (mediterranized+nordic blend) and alpinid (brachykephalized cromagnoid)

racially, the real problems are the niggers, they are almost always a downgrade and actually cause damage in the racial sense

>>129235184
There are 1.371 billion Chinese drooling at your wages. Have fun with that.

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>>129235530
>It would be basically impossible to weed out unsavory genes from negros or shitskins

It happened once already, so it can happen again

>>129235288
It is traditional American value.... If 10% of Americans practiced such culture for 300 years, by all purpose it is distinct American culture. So if your kids are wearing shitpants and gangbanging with rap songs, they are as american as any other. This is literally the civnat utopia.

>>129235754
this, i hate the tired "but they can be ingrained with the values" bullshit. They've had so much time to become inculcated with the culture but still operate based on their racial and ethnic predispositions.

>>129235288
I want to shake you fuckers really hard when you say things like this.

No one can 100% adopt a different culture if they have a different identity. For example black and hispanic americans. They still aren't white, they still have a different identity. Just because they adopt some culture doesn't make them fit into the country. Their identity will always be in conflict you get it? You need to both have the same identity and ironically culture is actually of secondary although still immensely important. A nation of people with different identities is doomed, even if they have the same culture. Many example in history

>>129235948
I'm saying it would be harder

>>129223809
Protip: Not everything has to be about money

>>129235754
That's a lot of assumptions about what I think, mac. It would be a shame if I told you that's not what I think.

Niggers are useful idiots for the ruling class in America. Gibmedats perpetuate the ruling class's existence. I know plenty of nigs that don't buy into the whole dindu and gibmedat mentality. I do actually think that there's systemic and institutional racism in America, but it's not to keep the black man down... it's to make him, not only the least productive member of American society, but also the most capable of reproducing himself. While at the same time making the white man, the most independent and productive member of American society, the least capable of having offspring. This is the welfare state. These useful idiots are bred by the democratic party to prop up their entire existence. This in a massive impediment to getting niggers on board with the American dream of individual freedom and individual responsibility. You can't do that when uncle Sam keeps telling to you that you can have free shit and that you're oppressed by the very people who work to pay for that shit.

/rant

>>129235385
Congratulations, now you are the father of three niglets. BLACK POWER, KANGZ.

>>129235184
No, normies are not more likely to embrace shitty eugenics than they are to prefer living with their own kind. They already do tge latter, just on a smaller scale than desirable. "Whites only" is a very simple message, which is why our country was founded on it.

>>129236314
America isnt a white nation. We are a melting pot which means we change and blend.Tolerance and acceptance are the most important american values

civic nationalism = multiculture

we have been over this 1 million times. Fuck off.

>>129236682
No, I am the fatber of 3 americans. Amrrica has no racial identity

>>129236746
And bombing middle easterners, don't you forget that.

>>129235818
>immigrants have nothing to do with the state of white people not getting enough children
How fucking stupid can you be?
Your whole argument for their presence is that you like wage dumping.
>if companies could find locals to do the job, they would take them , but they can't
Because Pajeet is working for cheaper, and they offer streetshitter wages.
>locals don't want to study
Because you're keeping down the wages by importing cheaper workers.
And more people means a higher rent. That also fucks up your fertility rate.
It has everything to do with your precious immigrants.

Don't bother making any more economic arguments. You don't know economics, and I'd rather be a fucking caveman than extinct. You don't. You'll sell your soul to the devil for a few shinies. That's a difference in values, not economic insight.

>>129236746
First immigration law ever passed in this country restricted citizenship to whites and that didn't change until southern reconstruction

>>129237000
Nigger Americans for you, Kangz producer.

>>129237003
They dont accept our values. Eventually the entire world will be a melting pot. Look at europe: they are moving away from a racial basis for citizenship and have fully embraced the american definition

>>129222168
fpbp

>>129237000
Nobody cares about your mongrel retarded babies. Having children isn't hard. Every white person I know has 5-6 kids meanwhile shitskins only have 1 or 2. Not sure why dumbfucks like you think whites aren't breeding. We are breeding like crazy up here.

>>129228528
In America maybe, but not for Europe. We need homogeneous ethnic states here, otherwise our society will collapse

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>>129222075
civic nationalism = antiwhite
plain and simple

stop harping on culture, you faggots
culture arises from the race naturally, when everyone is a mongrel civic nationalist cuck, the culture dies and the race would have been long dead anyway

at this point, the ones promoting civic nationalism are non-whites who now feel threatened that Europeans are awakening to their identities, even though they may have supported Trump during the election, and also cowards who think that civic nationalism for some reason is a gateway to white nationalism, when it is actually a gateway to globalism

>>129237092
And it was repealed and ruled uncontututional. Every single law based on racial segregation or division has been struck down without wxception. America is a land for all

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>>129233792
>Whites like to rape & be pedophiles
Whites are less likely to do that than the average person.
You watch too much law and order.

>>129236696
>>129235847
I know you guys are right, and I agree. But really, you have to realize how chocked full of weakness, fear, toxicity, and apathy the average white is. I mean if you sit them down you can red pill them in a few hours obviously. But I just mean like how do you red pill en masse a nation when the zionists totally control the public education system and media.

>>129237022

1. People that immigrate here have to be payed the same as a local person


the wage here for a garbage man is 5000-7000 per MONTH. do you understand that? we have the HIGHEST wages in the whole world , for unskilled labourers.

This immigration policy benefits our OWN people the most. The uneducated ones, the ones that don't want to or can't go to uni. They make a LOT of money because of it.


Now go kill yourself you dumb cucklet.

>>129236316

It wouldn't be even remotely harder, since the shitskins (more accurately shiteyes/hair in this case, all ancient peoples were tan/brown skinned) fathered literally the entire continent of Europe.

After the cuckening, selection stepped in and light pigmentation rose to 70% from something dismally low.

Unless you want to pretend that full on population replacement by Africans is possible (it's not), their genes will be incorporated very smoothly.

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>>129228818
>hurr durr race is skin deep

You have so much to learn.

>>129237220
Really?because demographic data all shows canada will be 20% muslim in 30 years

>>129237298
yea, it's just multiculture with a fancy name. Nobody said civic nationalism 2 years ago. Liberals just recognize that people are sick of the anti-white bullshit so they came up with a new name.

This thread is awful, you can really see how many reddit fags are lurking when you make threads like these.

>>129222075

it's not bad outright

it's bad when you allow outsiders to replace your original stock, defeating the concept of nationalism
you dumb nigger

>>129237230
Whatba lie. Your native population isnt breeding. You need to embrace civic nationalism and be like america to survive

>>129237480
Got a source for that reddit? Oh right you don't because you are a dumbfuck.

>>129222075
Prove to me flag nationalism isn't cancer. Pro tip : you are a queer that deserves fire

>>129236640
So you are basing you whole political belief on a national conspiracy between politicians to keep the white man down and get negros to become dependent on welfare instead of coming to the conclusion that

wait for it

negros do this because they are specifically adapted to a different environment that specifically causes them to develop these characteristics
Bringing them to an environment that they are not adapted to causes this infighting
occam's razor m8

>>129237174
Sure, sure, Chinese in China will embrace American "values".

>>129237480

that's a lot of sandkips to hang, beat, rape, and burn during the coming wars


beating a sand niggers head in with a hammer then enjoying his wife and virgin daughter .. we high t now

>>129236746
the melting pot concept was created literally by a Jew propagandist. America started off as a (White) European mixed nation.

>>129237371
>the wage here for a garbage man is 5000-7000 per MONTH. do you understand that?
Yes.
By artificially increasing the supply of skilled labor you decrease the equilibrium wage. Do you understand that?

Have fun with your shinies. While you last.

>>129233896
>take 10% shitskins and keep your economy + living standards and ensure a proper future for your children
>or become economically irrelevant and end up like 100% ethnically pure countries like poland/yugoslavia etc.
Yeah, that's why Poland is poor, because they didn't take a bunch of Muzzies and niggers.
Nothing to do with war or communism. Paris and London were shitholes before immigrants, now they're paradise.

>>129237889
Who will be fighting for you? The vast majority of whites hate white supremacists so unless you plan on winning with trailer trash not sure where you army will come from.
Loom at Naxi Germany: white people bombed it flat

>>129222075

Prove to you? It's probably ideal for a multicultural nation, if you can maintain such a society for any extended period of time.

Can you though? Sooner or later isn't there always some ugly form of civil disturbance or ethnic problems that either tear the place apart or at least create some very bleak footnotes for it's page in history.

>>129237439
So you are telling me we should incorporate genetic screenings, iq tests, emotional intelligence tests, behavioral tests and whatever else to weed out unsavory individuals and coax "good" genes for literally hundreds of years costing us millions instead of the cost of 1 bullet?
come on now m8

>>129238088

"artificially" , you mean , by importing skilled people that pay into the system so that our natives who are unlucky/dumb can work less and have more ?

kys you fucking cuck, or go watch the livestream of your sister getting raped by some somalis on facebook

>>129222075
look at your country

>>129238209
>white people bombed it flat
Those white people that bombed Germany would look down on you for your mongrel babies.

>>129238209

sweet propaganda pussy boi

you have no idea how many people are against you and yours, we only need 1 fighter for every 50 of yours to be your worst nightmare

I'm also not a racial supremacist faggot, keep making typos I know you're the kind of reddit / beta cuck that physically shakes when you even encounter enemies in person

>>129237761
>So you are basing you whole political belief on a national conspiracy between politicians

No, I'm basing it on observation and the fact I'm from a political family.

>negros do this because they are specifically adapted to a different environment that specifically causes them to develop these characteristics

I'm not disagreeing with you; this characteristic is so heavily exploited that you just see it as niggers just being nigs.

Let me put it like this. When I see a pyromaniac pouring gasoline on a dumpster fire I tend to focus on the fact that there's a pyromaniac making things worse than they need to be... not the fact that fire burns shit.

>FIRE FUCKING BURNS SHIT

No fucking shit, Mac. I'm talking about the pyromaniac trying to burn my shit down.

>>129237330
So your argument is that I should accept my country turning into a third world shithole because boomer bureaucrats destroyed what our founders created?

>>129238314
With wage dumping, yes. Don't pretend to be so stupid you think a policy that affects the whole labor and housing markets doesn't affect fertility rates. You aren't.

Go ahead, keep pretending everything is fine while your kind slowly fades away. At least you'll be wealthy when you die out. Now that's what really matters.

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>>129222075
Civic nationalism as of now is what has gotten us into this situation. Now if one were to destroy the subversive elements of society and not adhere to the doctrine of affirmative action it may work, but one would need a strong culture to keep it together, something America has not had.

>>129238304

Not even remotely implying that. Society does that automatically already, at no cost, even cheaper than bullets.

The winners are already the more capable.

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>>129237578
You're fucking disgusting. You'd throw away thousands of years of ethnic unity and shared history for some retarded ideas about "hurr durr we can all be European". No, we don't need immigration to "survive". The population has expanded and contracted all throughout history. As long as we have a common volk, we will "survive"

Fuck off, just because you don't have any racial identity doesn't mean you have to take it from us

>>129222381
>Countries that got rid of communism not even 50 years ago are performing worse than my country so civic nationalism = good

How retarded are you?

>>129235818
So people that split 40 thousand years ago that even today have been proven to exhibit aggressive behaviors and constantly have been proven to not want to integrate properly are the same as a completely different racial group
ok m8
Also it doesn't even matter if none of them race mix (which they do)
they have quadruple the birth rates of white populations in 50 years you will never have one legislation that benefits the whole
instead it will be just infighting
also you paleontology retards should kill yourselves for being so fucking useless

>>129237370
They must learn on their own through the rebound of their ignorant actions.

>>129238882

Who is wage dumping? do you even understand that word you fucking idiot?
I just told you: our unskilled labourers, the native ones, have the HIGHEST wages in the whole world.

A garbage man in Switzerland can save up and buy a house if he wants to. Same with a hairdresser, a cashier etc.

they all make a livable income. Thanks to the immigration policy which fuels our economy and keeps us competitive globally.

>>129238574
Lol White supremacists are invariably trailer trash drunks and heroin addicts. Seriously look at any white pride event: Its all losers and dropouts qith no education.
The simple fact is that white people dont buy racial unity and prefer a pluralistic society. You can call me all the names you like but it doesnt change the fact 99% of whites oppose white nationalism.
>>129238473
Nope, the learned from the nazis racial ideology is backwards.
>>129238872
Its reality. You racists lost and if you wany to give the rest of society and excuse to remove you then go right ahead. I am white and would live to kill white supremacists.


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>>129239291
So that's a no then. You did not understand it. You should read up some on economics. Supply and demand is not a very complex idea.

At least you won't be alive to see your Switzerland without any Swiss. There's some comfort to be found in that, I guess.

>>129239619
At what point in the future do you think that the iq gap will begin to close, if you don't mind me asking?

>>129237761
>occam's razor
I'm not disagreeing with your point.
But Occam's Razor is just a method of what to test first by seeing what can be verified the easiest.
It's not something you should use to decide things for certain.

>>129238689
firstly you are still basing your ideology on a completely subjective view held by your family instead of pier reviewed scientific fact
also that analogy was utter shit and didn't convey your viewpoint properly
The fact of the matter is that negros are incapable of integrating properly
if politicians benefit from that it doesn't mean that they caused it
they however might exploit their nature

>>129239217

never met an aggressive pajeet in my whole life, never met an aggressive kebab, same with chinks, and niggers are mostly bro tier even though they sell drugs around here

do you know who is the most aggressive and incompatible ? the slavs, the yugos, the fucking serbs croats and albos, and even the tiny amount of macedonian scum that managed to come here during the war, as REFUGEES.

Hard to believe , your own kind were basically the Ahmeds 20 years ago.


Also physical anthropology is something you don't understand and haven't learned, so sit down you dinaric flea carpet.

>>129239770


Who is dumping whose wages? Why don't you be more specific if you are such a smart economist?

I just told you, our immigration policy is INCREASING the wages of the natives. Of everybody.

Do you know what actually causes Wage dumping? If you join the EU and thousands of underqualified slavic faggots come into your country because MUH EU.


Go fuck yourself Sven you dumb cuck.

>>129222075
Your country showed it. I guess to see right wing rise in France it should be a occitan, arpetan and etc nationalism.

>>129238958
That's an even more pathetic ideology than lolbertationism
>it'll fix itself m8 don't worry about it
when cities are burning you'll realize that maybe taking action is better than letting a "system" handle it
I wonder if the romans thought the same thing you do when rome was on the verge of collapse

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>>129222075
>France

>>129239907
Who cares about iq? Equality and tolerance are much more important

>>129240598
Lol Troll harder, newfag

>>129240206
>my subjective experience with shitskins means I know more than every statistic that disproves me
also your major is shit and you probably don't use it in your job

>>129223071
Now break it down by tax contribution, and it looks far more even throughout White and Latinos.

>>129239942
i agree with that somewhat
however i'm basing my viewpoint on hundreds of years of pier reviewed evolutionary biology
he's basing it because his family is a political family

>>129240206
http://www.econport.org/content/handbook/Equilibrium/shocks.html
Read. Replace price with wage. There you go. Importing foreign workers decreases wages. Don't bother replying before you understand it.

>>129240206
>never met aggressive kabob
Clearly. You're here posting instead of stabbed to death or run over by a truck.

I've never run into a contract killer. I don't take this as evidence that they don't exist.

Kys immediately. Europe needs fewer people like you.

>>129240454

No it's not? The superior always triumph in the end.

If that ubermensch is only 70% white instead of 100%, I don't really care.

>>129241015

Switzerland has a pretty tough immigration policy.

>>129241015
they'll realize they are wrong on the precipice of war

>>129240946


i'm not gonna read anything, i asked you a simple question, who is dumping whose wages? why the fuck can't you answer a simple thing like that and need to reference to something or somebody else?

wage dumping happens in the EU, because of unskilled labourers flooding countries with higher living standards, not because skilled workers are imported to sustain a high tech company which would otherwise go under


>>129240933

the hominisation of humans is applied evolutionary biology, but as i said, you are 1. from macedonia aka shit tier unis and 2. youll never matter enough to have a say in anything so why even bother arguing with this about you ?

>>129223005
Whats Israel got to do with it? The pic seems more like regular social democracy than nationalism to me

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>>129223023
Yep, as the whites die out and the niggers and mexicans multiply this is gonna end up being a Socialist nightmare shithole.

>>129241099
With that way of thinking you'll let people who have every right to be alive and well die because of your apathy
Even if the outcome is the same if white children die from your apathy you are morally bankrupt

>>129241348
>you don't go in depth on how nigger number 2 went 3 miles west than nigger number 3
>YOU ARE SHIT
>YOU WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO NOTHING
kek stay assmad klaus
i'm gonna remain in my sweet fucking country with mostly whites and still experience the same luxuries
have fun getting raped
every ideology crumbles when your daughter gets raped in the street faggot

Genetics shapes behaviour

Importing millions of shitskins will lead to dysgenics lowering average IQ

>>129241933

> i will remain in my country and spend all my life thinking about what i would do if i were in a position of power in YOUR country

kys you niggertier slavic fuckstick

>>129240705
I am not trolling. Why would you want a society with a high iq if it was racist and intolerant?

>>129241639
>With that way of thinking you'll let people who have every right to be alive and well die

How does this logic follow?

>>129242075
stay anally aggravated future abdula al-hamid
just remember you could have prevented it

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>>129242088
Yes, but besides that a High IQ society wouldn't be racist for no reason, they would know why the races need to be separate and at the most only allow the worthy in.

A high iQ society is bound to be xenophobic, especially when founded on an ethno-centric culture. See Japan

>>129242318
You're mistaken if you think i'm for ethnic cleansing m8rino
the fact of the matter is that as Rockwell no one can help their race
Mass forced migration or forced castration is another matter all together
you might have the right to live but you sure as shit don't have a right to procreate

>>129242375
>

> posted from my slav-phone 2.0

prevent what? having such good air quality that people in china pay 50 USD for a can of it?

lmao


not only are you poor and miserable, you are also fighting against an imaginary issue which will never concern you because you are so irrelevant as a country aka skilled immigration

you really need to be put down like the rabid slavic dog that you are mate

>>129240182
>firstly you are still basing your ideology on a completely subjective view held by your family instead of pier reviewed scientific fact

So that means you believe that the natural tendencies of niggers to rape and pillage is magically NOT being exploited in any way by the sociopolitical caste system present in modern America AND that this is assertion is somehow an empirically verifiable fact?

Do you know how fucking stupid you sound?

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>>129242633
AHAHAHHAHAH
>HE'S A PHONEPOSTER
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
TIME TO OFF YOURSELF YOU NEWFAGGOT
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
KYS

>>129241348
>wage dumping happens in the EU, because of unskilled labourers flooding countries with higher living standards, not because skilled workers are imported to sustain a high tech company which would otherwise go under
It's the same exact thing jackass.
Importing unskilled workers lowers their wages.
Importing skilled workers lowers their wages.

Increasing supply decreases price. It's that simple.

>>129242522
Iq is worthless and is not a reliabke measure of intelligence.
I put equalitybas my highest value not some vague concept like IQ and would use armed force to preserve a multicultural future.
As a white man I am coming to the conclusion poor whites are the real problem with america and we need to eliminate their culture of anti american values

>>129242834
reading comprehension much?
i just said that they could sure as shit be exploited my point is that they are not coxed into being pillaging raping negroes

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>>129242975
Based on this one comment i conclude that you are the least american person I've ever met
you should neck yourself you absolute faggot

>>129241348
Where you from ? I live in a small town near Lausanne and it's infested with smelly and loud niggers.

>>129243587
please tell him to stop being a faggot
maybe a fellow countryman can sway his retarded opinion

>>129242941

there is NO free supply of skilled workers in Switzerland. THEY ARE ALL HIRED. You fucking IDIOT.

There is literally so much money to be made in this country if you have a proper degree , because there aren't any and enough people around.

> a skilled engineer is the same as a unskilled field worker

let me give you one last debrief since you are probably either 1. young or 2. dumb:

there , are , no , locals, to, do, the , skilled , jobs , they 1. don't want to study , or 2. they can't study because they are too dumb/incompetitive to succeed at university


if there is nobody for a certain amount of jobs, the company goes under, everybody gets unemployed, people need to go to the state for money, ok ?

does your cucked , blacked swedistani brain comprehend this?
up?

do you think i enjoy having to suck some chinks micropenis in the hopes that he will come here and make sure that my cousin who is a dumb plumber can keep making 200 bucks per hour for picking up shit out of clogged toilets?

>>129243587

german speaking part, i'm from ETH and deal with a lot of start ups, trust me, we are making a lot of money off skilled immigrants and the damage that is caused by the "refugees" is nothing in comparison to that , still wish we wouldn't let half of Eritrea into the country ...

i made around 50 k last year just by "recommending" some people i know to certain jobs , and i'm not a headhunter or anything in that direction

that's how fucked up the state is in this country, and how badly we need more skilled workers (and to produce them you need to produce more people in general, which is the main problem)

>>129243802
>there , are , no , locals, to, do, the , skilled , jobs , they 1. don't want to study
Gee, I wonder if that may have something to do with the wage dumping.
>do you think i enjoy having to suck some chinks micropenis in the hopes that he will come here and make sure that my cousin who is a dumb plumber can keep making 200 bucks per hour for picking up shit out of clogged toilets?
Seems like it. You're very insistent on supporting your own extinction.

>>129244476

it has to do with the wages for unskilled labour being too high, not being dumped. maybe you just don't understand english at this point im not actually sure anymore if you are trolling or just actually retarded

they think: why stress out to go to high school, college, uni when i can just learn a trade and then make more money for 6-7 years while the student makes nothing. That's the train of thought , combined with not having enough children in general makes us have to literally beg for any and everybody that is actually qualified.


anyhow, enjoy getting blacked for the rest of the night sven, maybe if you scream out odins name when the nigger cums in you you'll retain your vikang culture a little longer

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>Tfw no white supremacist Asian trap gf (male)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD4cBReV10Q

Civic nationalism still ends in white genocide

>>129244469
Well it is true that Switzerland is a great country to live in when you have a college degree in a field that is relatively usefull, there is so few competition, for now... But I'm in the third year of my bachelor degree and teachers keep telling us that we will have it harder sincer more and more qualified people keep pouring into the country while the economy isn't going to be as competitive as it used to be.
Anyway, I never had any problem with euros, just with Albanians and niggers.

>>129245529

with bachelor you mean high school (gymnasium)? or uni degree?

i'll advice you what i tell everybody: go to EPFL (if french) or ETH (if german) , get a degree in a proper field (math, CS, engineering) and you'll be set for life.

Takes 4 years of high school + 3 years of undergrad for the best life you can possibly get in the whole world.

And idk , niggers aren't an issue here but we don't have that many here (yet) as you do in the french parts.

>>129245174
>being too high
Compared to for skilled labor. Which you're currently dumping.

>>129245174
I really like your retarded
>OUR CLOSED SYSTEM CAN NOT SUSTAIN ITSELF WE NEED OUTSIDE LABOR
argument that totally disregards the fact that that "open" system is actually just the same system just proportionally bigger therefore disregarding the fact that the same issues will inevitably arise.
It's basically putting a glass under a waterfall and when it inevitably fills up you say we need a slightly bigger glass and it'll work this time
If you can't coax people into becoming high skilled laborers in your smaller proportionately system you sure as hell won't do it in a bigger proportionately one

>>129245921
Bachelor degree in management at Unil. I think I'll go for a master degree in finance next year.

Its globalism on a small scale is why

>>129245949

again, you can't dump something that doesn't exist because its existance depends on "skilled immigration" , it's either : take skilled immigrants , or close your shop permanently. there is no in between .
>>129246232

Producing people takes time, which you don't have , especially in high tech companies. Even if every swiss person started fucking today , it would still take at least 18 years to produce the first batch of skilled workers.

And in that time you need to bridge the gap with immigrants. Or let your economy go down the drain and live like people in Germany , where trade workers can make less than unemployed people if they are unlucky.

>>129246294

nice

>>129246232
We are extremely wealthy due to a few very competitive industries that require loads of qualified workers. We need immigration if we want to keep this prosperity going. We also have tons of frogs who cross the border everyday to work here in the french speaking part, unemployment remains very low ( 5-6% ).

>>129246881
>something that doesn't exist
There are no educated people in Switzerland? You can't play stupid after you've already spelled it out, dumbass.
>they think: why stress out to go to high school, college, uni when i can just learn a trade and then make more money for 6-7 years while the student makes nothing. That's the train of though

>>129246881
Oh come on
you're implying that it isn't just a 4 year course you could just subsidize students to take it
you're working backwards m8
you have a conclusion that you're actively searching arguments to defend
you'll realize this m8rino

>>129247151
that still doesn't solve the underlying problem
your system has an underlying fault if you can't exist without outside intervention
something that wont be fixed with migrants

>>129243504
Lol
Evry child in america learns the basic values of america are tolerance, equality and oppoosition to racism.
Any american who believes in a white nation or hate isnt an american at all

>>129247452

you are applying an economic principle wrongly , because the premise for it to work is that there is a demand

in this case:
too few workers = no company = no demand

>>129247541

and that's why macedonia will never produce high quality stuff , we only produce quality, otherwise we don't do it at all


you slav shit

>>129247976
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>the subversion is real as fuck m8
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>129237347
You act like 13k rapes is a good thing lol. Where's the number on the pedophiles?
To be honest all other races are more degenerate than mine except one. We should Make America Asian Again.

>>129247984
you just moved the goalposts friendo
completely disregarded a fact and just did an ad hominem
i'm not insulting you m8 just realize that you don't know everything
being humble is a to tier white trait m8
nothing wrong with it

>>129247984
>we only produce

t. some neet shithead who is rolplaying as a country and never set foot in any factory

>>129247984
You've surpassed my patience. Stay in denial bud. You've found the panacea. Everyone profits. Great, great, go fuck yourself. Goodbye.

>>129248407
What subversion? America is a melting pot. Look at any "white pride" rally.
For every nazi that shows up there are 20.white americans there to attack them and show the minorities we arent racists

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>>129222075
The United States of America

/thread

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>>129222075
civ nationalism is just a jew ploy to keep themselves in power as the culture shifts

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>>129222075
I'm a right-wing chink who's friends with niggers who own businesses. I think it works, but the government has to stop getting involved because they retard integration with welfare and short-term gains.

>>129248713

that's the difference between me and you, i create machines that do the work of 10000s of your workers , while you take pride in having to compete with a machine

you are zerglings and we are protoss , but don't worry, i'm sure one day people will be ready to buy your cheap shitty drugs instead of our quality products kiddo ;)


>>129248917

> can't apply kiddie tier basic principles, abort, better call Ahmed to talk to him about this situation and make myself feel better

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>>129249060
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAH

>>129249342
What do you find amusing? Did you think white people in america were racial supremacists? Only poor white trash is racist.

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>>129249721
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

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>>129222381
>slavs are 100% ethnically pure scandinavian mongolian mutts

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>>129249989
>not knowing anything about where slavic people are
>YOU ARE A MUTT KEKERINO M8RINO
>60% PURE ARYAN RIGHT HERE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities

>Putnam has been engaged in a comprehensive study of the relationship between trust within communities and their ethnic diversity. His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30,000 people within the United States is that, other things being equal, more diversity in a community is associated with less trust both between and within ethnic groups

>Lowered trust in areas with high diversity is also associated with:

>Lower confidence in local government, local leaders and the local news media.
>Lower political efficacy – that is, confidence in one's own influence.
>Lower frequency of registering to vote, but more interest and knowledge about politics and >more participation in protest marches and social reform groups.
>Higher political advocacy, but lower expectations that it will bring about a desirable result.
>Less expectation that others will cooperate to solve dilemmas of collective action (e.g., >voluntary conservation to ease a water or energy shortage).
>Less likelihood of working on a community project.
>Less likelihood of giving to charity or volunteering.
>Fewer close friends and confidants.
>Less happiness and lower perceived quality of life.
>More time spent watching television and more agreement that "television is my most important form of entertainment".

>For years, policymakers have attempted to create communities where a diverse group of residents not only live close to one other but also interact freely – in other words, neighborhoods that are both integrated and socially cohesive.

>these findings show it may not be possible to simultaneously create communities that are both fully integrated and fully cohesive,

>“These trends are so strong, it’s unlikely policy can change it,”

>Neal said he started the project because past research had failed to turn up a city that is both truly integrated and cohesive – from the United States to the United Kingdom to Asia. But it’s not from lack of effort, he said.

>“It’s not that local leaders and policymakers aren’t trying hard enough,” Neal said. “Rather, we now think it’s because the goals of integration and cohesion are just not compatible with each other.”

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/

>>129222075
i just went to wikipedia and i see basically that civic n. > ethnic n., but i'm bad at this so idk if civic n. is either good or bad

https://arxiv.org/abs/1110.1409
>Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups.

http://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135
>The human brain fires differently when dealing with people outside of one’s own race
>Previous research shows people are less likely to feel connected to people outside their own ethnic groups, and we wanted to know why,
>The so-called mirror-neuron-system is thought to be an important building block for empathy by allowing people to ‘mirror’ other people’s actions and emotions; our research indicates that this basic building block is less reactive to people who belong to a different race than you