https://www.infowars.com/spain-in-c haos-as-catalonia-sets-d

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>>129201089
Keep raging Paco, time to pay up the cupo. No succesful nation wants to belong to your failed state.

>>129201089
when was the last time Spain did anything for us, huh? All I see with your gay flag is a bunch of leftist shitposting.
Good, break your tiny country up. Maybe Catalans will have some more sense and keep mudslimes out better.

Miren, me voy pronto para su país. Qué me recomiendan? Como esta el paro y eso?

>>129202311
Que te vayas para Colombia porque si verdaderamente Cataluña se independiza esto se volverá Yugoslavia 2.0, el odio que hay entre las regiones es muy grande, al punto que está a punto de explotar.
>>129202183
They love muslims, I mean they have millions of them and it seems they do not want to stop letting them into kek

>>129202311
Seguro mejor que donde estás

>>129202183
>>129202183
>will have some more sense and keep mudslimes out better.
Yeah, and after Calexit they'll enjoy full auto weapons in San Francisco.

>>129202183
LOL
Catralans are literally the Mudslimes importers of the EU. Catalonia is full of Jews, and beside that, all commie threads you read with a spanish flag are probably started in Catalonia.

The only thing I agree with Catalans is that they are not Spanish, they are soul-less creatures and hope one day they secede kosovo style.

>>129202584
Ustedes lo que necesitan es llevar a cano un plan de infraestructura y gasto focalizado a Cataluña. Darles su zanahoria y que se queden quiete o ver si la economía mejora más rápido, eso es lo que puede calmar a esos gafos. Aparte, todo el movimiento independentista Catalán es Chavista y tiene profundos lazos con el Chavismo

>>129201089
Are you France then?

>>129201089
>>129202311
>>129202584
>>129202773
Taco burrito

>>129201089
Franco needs to return

>>129201089
This shit happens every other month, catalonia votes out, spain doesn't recognize it.

>>129202962
This was a serious question guise.

>>129202007

>dat ID

Do u even know what a failed state is?

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>>129201089
Crown of Aragon soon. Tremble Juanjolo de la Paz Cáceres y Manolo

I don't understand if Spain hates Catalonia so much why dont you let them leave.

>>129202880
> Darles su zanahoria y que se queden quiete

Se lleva haciendo eso desde un tiempo y eso es lo que ha permitido la situación actual. Se les ha ido dando privilegios, poco a poco, inclusive tienen una propia policia diferente a la nuestra. Ya lo dijo el presidente de Galicia, Feijoo amenazó con que si se daba más privilegios a Cataluña declararía la independencia de Galicia... y detrás de él van el resto que está hasta la polla de la situación actual con Cataluña.

>>129203390
Spain hates Spain. We hate each other. It is not only the Cucklonians but cucklonians love the victim card

>>129203230
One that gets carbombed on a weekly basis
>rey y fueros
meh, not that bad

>>129202183
>>129202864

True. I live in Barcelona and this is a commie cesspool. Even the pro-rapefugee "IMPORT MORE MUDSLIMES LET'S BE TOLERANT REEEEEEEEE" started here. They even have a platform for it.

>>129201089
First-Barcelona, next-Bilbao.
Your country sucks, sorry.

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UNA GRANBE LIDRE :-DD
BIBA ESBANIA X-DDD

>>129203934

If they love niggers and communism, why don't they want to share their wealth and industries with other spanish autonomous communities? The politics on catalonia are a jew'd nonsense.

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Lol fuck them

They are fucking commies.Remember when they held a 200k faggot protest to support the refugee.

Good riddance.I hope Spain will invade them after

>>129204135
GAUDILLO DE ESBANIA POLA GACIA DE FUG :DD

>>129203161

We have a small bit of Catalogne in France, they don't ever talk about independance. Too happy/content to stay with us, I would say. Then again, it's probably because we centralized our state way sooner and much more than Spain.

>>129204263
How is greece treating you, Manolo?

>>129203728

They're victims of what, exactly?

>>129204210
Because they are elitist faggots. To them the rest of Spain is full of barbarous illiterate mongrels. And don't forget the MUH FASCIST SPAIN card.

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>>129204437
Enjoy your caliphate faggot

>>129203934
The problem is: No refugee wants to go there. It's amazing how they keep pushing for refugees or open borders demonstrations in Barcelona and yet no one wants to come there. They prefer to go Germany, UK or another welfare state country that pays them everything.

>>129204533
"muh opression", "muh Franco" , "muh Spain is a facist state and want to destroy us " , "muh the andalusian migrants are trying to colonize us and they are being supported by the state though they are as snowflakes as us" etc...

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>>129204795
Back to greece with you Alberto, wouldn't want you to feel economically intimidated

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>>129202981

Is Catalonia the equivalent of our California?

>>129205558
Yes, they are the equivalent of your California though they are even more leftist than your average californian man.

>>129204939
>muh the andalusian migrants are trying to colonize us and they are being supported by the state
This one is truth manolo

catalonia will never secede without taking arms, the average catalonian is happy with the way things are, nobody is going to take up arms.

t. catacuck

>>129206396
>the average catalonian
The average Catalonian is either a mixed Castilian or a sandnigger. We have been cucked Jordi.

>>129201089
Absolute retard here, what is so bad about them leaving? they don't want in in the first place

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>>129206396
why are catacucks not manly enough to rise in arms against the eternal Paco?
Explain yourselves

Why does Catalonia get a referendum but not the Basques?

>>129201089
Catalonia is like a worse version of Scotland

So are Catalans not part of Spanish history? Of all the Spanish military leaders, viceroy, and other colonial admins, Catalan wasn't really involved?

Isn't Penelope Cruz from Barcelona? She looks textbook Spanish.

please nuke Madrid quickly

they're a SJW-cancer riddled sewer.

>>129206921
Catalonians only want independence because muh economy. We basques have received too much immigration from Paellaland, there will never be a >50% of the population favoring independence (it's around 30-40%).
Of course, only a cuck would consider non-native, non-basque speakers "basque". Democracy begins with the nation.

>>129204939

The first three are somewhat understandable: centralization needs to be slow, unless want unrest to blow in frontier provinces. Our history is one of continuous centralization, from the 16e to the 20e century. Franco tried to pull as much shit in about ~30 years. It was deemed to fail, although now he is but a memory (except his fucking mausoleum, that shit is dope on so many levels).

Well, I actually wonder how Catalonia would manage if they got their independance: full blown country? Protectorate of either Spain or France? Integration in France (kek)? I honestly don't know what destiny they pursue.

>>129207168

you spelled Barcelona wrong

>>129206069
Yeah, I forgot you thought a bunch of peasants are gonna conquer all iberia by moving to our cities.....

>>129202183
Well we helped you become independant from england you should thank us ungrateful bastards

>>129207405

both are probably as fucked.

>>129207567
Not really.
Madrid is actually quite conservative.

>>129207503
You're the only other European country beside the UK (in 1812) and Germany (and maybe some if their minor allies) the U.S. ever formally declared war on.

So, La Liga will end?

Catalonia is a meme region, some years ago they sarted rewriting their own history to justify their retarded views. Actually all the independence nonsense is a huge political scam to increase even more their influence over the government, who does nothing to stop it, in it's usual retardation.
There will never be an indepence for a lot of reasons abd they know it, but that will not stop them from spending tons of money in propaganda and indoctrination

>>129207831
I have a question for you spaniards
Why do people still vote so much for the socialists and unidos when they are the ones fucking up the economy

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>>129206817
shut up, you do not understand the francoist values that must prevail

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>losing catalonia AND never getting gibraltar

>>129208045
As i said ungrateful expansionist bastards, according to the deal of the sale of florida you should return us in 2055

>>129201089
Reminder that, if the State of your country fid not have Overseas colonies, you don't deserve to be an independent nation in Iberia Peninsula

>>129207020

The history is incredibly intermingled. Their national hero was a professed Spanish patriot.

Catalan politicians just spread propaganda to sell a case for independence that distorts reality to play on the emotions of the idiot citizenry and gain traction.

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>>129208141
>spain
>against rewriting of history
*Laughs in navarrese

>>129208690
You should take Galicia back, Portugal.

>>129208360
>francoist values
So its about principles, not because the rest of Spain will be economically, socially, politically or religiously fucked?

>>129208240
That is only in the south (extremadura and andalucia) where socialists started giving PER also known as i pay you for working 2 months in the plantations and you can siesta the rest of the year.

Huge load of votes.

>>129209021
We should ethnic clean all of the Peninsula

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>>129207270
>Catalonians only want independence because muh economy
?????????? Maybe the ones who are half-Castilian.

>We basques have received too much immigration from Paellaland, there will never be a >50% of the population favoring independence
Like us?

>>129207412
??????????

>>129209021

You mean Galicia should take Portugal back.

>>129208389
give back my land

>>129209807
For what? Bring more moors to Europe?

>>129209594
I prefer catalonians over spaniards anytime, Jordi, but you can't deny the huge recent surge of nationalism there is due to the economy, nothing more. Before that you where around a 30% in favor of independence, I believe. That's your "core" of nationalists.
Here, if your mother tongue is basque, you are a nationalist (and almost always, independentist). There's an almost 100% relationship, except those with a family member killed by ETA or whatever. In catalonia the relationship is not so close, but your language is much more widely spoken.
Hope you free yourselves, Jaume

>>129208952
>implying navarrese is a thing

Kek

>>129210164
>30%
The number is more or less like this right now. If a referendum happens we won't win and if we did the parties would be as bad as the ones we have right now. You are in a bad situation too I sadly. I visited Gasteiz half a year ago and it was 100% Castilian like Barcelona.

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>>129209970

Gibraltar is needed for Spain to let go of Ceuta and Melilla, and preserve their access through the detroit. That's why they want it so much.

>>129208141
>some years ago they sarted rewriting their own history
How? What did we rewrite manolo?

>>129211428
https://www.inh.cat

Are you even catalan Artur?

>>129212494
>La llengua catalana a la cort de Germana de Foix i Ferran de Calàbria
So?

>>129212494
Ok, I've read a bit more and that page is full of bullshit. But people doesn't believe most of that bullshit. What part of history were you talking about exactly?

>>129201089
Hay que aplicar el estado de excepcion y llevar a los secesionistas al trullo

http://blogs.elconfidencial.com/espana/tribuna/2015-10-29/estado-de-excepcion-unica-respuesta-efectiva-a-la-secesion_1075153/

>>129202311

No, vete a tomar por culo

>>129212871
Read some articles. If you know at least something about spain/cataluña history you will have a good laugh
>>129213082
The sole fact that this is funded and supported by institutional money is not enough outrageos? Just wikipedia institut de nova historia. There are a lot politicians and separatist organizations involved with it.

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>>129213389
You can try

>>129202311
Solo que vengas con trabajo o con estudios si puede ser y respetes la ley.

>>129202311
Ve a USA o Canada si quieres trabajo y futuro.

>>129214320
>institut de nova historia.
I had never heard about it actually.

>If you know at least something about spain/cataluña
There's many bullshit in both sides:
>muh catalano-aragonese crown
but then you also see the typical retards:
>spain has 2000 years
>James I (and other members of the House of Barcelona) was 100% aragonese from the house Jimena

>>129214462
hehehe

Of course you can try to go to jail

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MAKE CATALONIA GREAT AGAIN
The spanish goverment fill us nation with muslims, and spanish to disolve it. Also they make us pay more taxes than the rest.

>>129206069
Second gen andalusian inmigrants are the core of independentism.

>>129201089
That's what you get from stealing from the american natives fuck you spaniards I hope your state gets divided and fucked by immigrants.

>>129210699
Navarrese is a dialect of Basque Manolo, therefore a thing. See who is manipulating history?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enbcjB3aHkE
National anthem

You know Alex Jones is satire, right?

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Nuke this country

pls send help

>>129216040
Maybe in the countryside. In Barcelona they don't even speak Catalan.

>>129204210

The catalan Nationalist party is just using economics to get more support. What they really want to do, is have free reign to import millions of immigrants who will vote leftist for gibbs and thus for ever have power over catalonia.

Catalonian separatists are falling for the oldest commi trick in the book.

>>129201089
>chaos
What was this guy smoking?

>>129201089
REGRESA EL ORO, JUAN

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>>129216445
What did you just say filthy globalist?
*Spawns behind you*

>>129216656
>catalan Nationalist party
We don't have any Nationalist party Tyrone.

>>129202007
When we become independent Madrid will pillage you through taxes and then you will start your own independence movement. You're welcome.

>>129216951

You should have taken more time learning English than worthless catalan ? Any party that want's to form catalonia as it's own nation, is by definition a nationalist party.

>>129202311
Hey hombre, venezolano aqui. Si te vas a venir arregla todos tus papeles primero llevo 3 meses teatando de sacar el dni apesar de ser ciudano español. Eso del paro es mierda aqui hay trabajo lo que no hay son trabajadores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DL8iFjvHE

>>129215497
Sure there are idiots distorting history the other way, but the difference is that they are ignored, whereas the political clusterfuck of independentist parties fund these pseudohistorians because it fits so well with their doctrines.

>>129202864
>>129203934
Liars. Who brings all the shitskins here? The spanish goverment.

>>129210164
It's the same here. Independence has always been favored by at least 20% of the population, this are the ethnic catalan population. Then to bring xarnegos on board we had to pull the >muh economy card.
I'm fully catalan and even if Catalonia was the poorest region in Spain relying on gibs I'd still vote yes for independence. And so do 99,999% of ethnic catalans.
Xarnegos only care about their pocket, that's why they're here in the first place.

>>129217234
No, a Nationalist party would be Nationalist. A party that wants independence to stay in the EU or take in more rapefugees and other sorts of subhumans is called separatist or independentist (not to call them traitors). And by definition Catalonia is already a Nation, so it's you who should study more English Tyrone.

>>129204974
>111 K
That ball must be so cold

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>>129217920
>mfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrqfOzi2Rxw

>>129216206
Lel, americunt complaining about a country stealing other country

>>129217963

>The spanish government.

Spain has the lowest immigration importing of all the major EU countries on mediterranean. It's a fucking joke that you think the leftists infested government of catalonia will do a better job.

>>129202183
>When you live with Mexicans so you think you have an idea about Spanish inner politics

nani?!

>>129218058
>A party that wants independence to stay in the EU or take in more rapefugees and other sorts of subhumans
But you're just making this up Manolo. The ones who want to import shitskins to dilute the identity of Catalonia is the spanish goverment. They did it in the sixties with subhuman castilians and are doing it now again with sudacas and moroccans.
We are catalans and want our own country and be able to decide our future. This is pretty basic although I don't expect a low iq trash like you to understand it.

Together for Yes[1] (Catalan: Junts pel Sí; IPA: [ʒuns pəɫ si]) is a Catalan independence coalition to stand in the 2015 Catalonian parliamentary election. It is supported by Democratic Convergence of Catalonia (CDC), Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC), Democrats of Catalonia (DC) and Left Movement (MES).[2]

>The coalition is led by Raül Romeva, PhD in international relations and former eco-socialist MEP;

welp

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>>129218646
Excuse me?!

>>129218502
Right now most immigrants coming to Spain are send to Catalonia. Even if an independent Catalonia had open borders the situation wouldn't be as bad, and that's in the worst case scenario.
I expected a burger to know it's important to have control of one's borders.

>>129217253
>. Si te vas a venir arregla todos tus papeles primero llevo 3 meses teatando de sacar el dni apesar de ser ciudano español. Eso del paro es mierda aqui hay trabajo lo que no hay son trabajadores.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH, hay trabajo limpiado la mierda de los abuelos , pero trabajo cualificado poco

>>129218204
No one takes that bitch mummy seriously.
Anyways she may steal and be corrupt af but no institution pays her to invent history. It's just the (retarded) way she is

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>you will live to see raiders and marauders pillaging the new armyless catalonian state

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>>129208389
>this land is mine, Allah gave it to me

>>129218891
In case we gain independence we need to create a party.

>>129217253
>Hey hombre, venezolano aqui
you have to go back

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Fugg you spaincuks nobody wants to be party of your shitty african state! let the north rise and the south tremble! no more gibs for you moorish andalucians , your stupid artificial capital city and your XVI century monarchy

Atte Aragon, son of Arathorn, heir of Isildur, king of Gondor

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stop this nonsense at once

>>129218898
Consegui trabajo en un aerolinea suiza a los 18

>>129219723
Restoration of the Crown of Aragon when?

>>129219999
>Consegui trabajo en un aerolinea suiza a los 18
me da igual ,vete fuera de aqui... esto noes un meme España esta full literalmente full con mucho paro juvenil . muevete tu culo a otros pais que tienes muchos en europa

>>129220231
a otro*

>>129220169
Now. we start from catalonia and domino effect. dont fail us.

España podria estar full de jovenes creando empresas desde su dormitorio, pero no hay esa cultura, la mayoria lo que esta es pendiente de follar, fumar hierba y tomar sol.

>>129220403
no, si se fueran esos 5 millones de inmigrantes nosotros tendríamos trabajo.

t.un joven

>>129220231
>Paro juvenil
Si los jovenes ni estudian ni quieren trabajar no es problema de los imigrantes, seguimos necesitando barrenderos, seamos hospitalarios, mas gente = mas servicios, nosotros les colonizamos, son nuestra responsabilidad

>>129220656
>Si los jovenes ni estudian ni quieren trabajar no es problema de los imigrantes, seguimos necesitando barrenderos, seamos hospitalarios, mas gente = mas servicios, nosotros les colonizamos, son nuestra responsabilidad
anda chupame los huevos sudaca

>>129220523
> esperando a que le den un trabajo

confirmas lo que acabo de decir. No esperes a q te den un trabajo, crealo tu mismo, se un emprendedor.

>>129219126
Kek I thought you were a xarnego in another post sorry.

>In case we gain independence we need to create a party.
The demographic situation is so bad we need to think like jews. The party should predicate multiculturalism (ej. "everyone living in Catalonia is catalan") to gain as much votes as possible while acting the opposite.
First we deny catalan nationality to immigrants living here so they will be kicked to Spain since that's the country they first arrived. Once they're gone we start giving the xarnegos economic incentives to go back while making their life worse here. And finally if we succed making Catalonia catalan again we can go full natsoc.

>>129220523
estos 5 millones son seres humanos que consumen productos españoles, servicios españoles y viven en edificios construidos por españoles generalmente edificados durante un periodo de prosperidad economica. sin crecimiento poblacional no hay crecimiento economico, ademas son hispanos con cultura similar. what the fuck are you talking about pedro, retoma la universidad y aprende economia

>>129220523
Y un pito. Mientras no cambie la mentalidad de la gente ya se pueden ir todos que va a dar igual.

Just moved here from US. La juventud Española no piensa en nada. Tienen pura mierda el la cabeza.

>>129202311
pleno empleo, trabajo asegurado. La construcción pisa fuerte.

>>129221091
true that, get up here to the north, were the prosperity is at, there is nothing to see on inner spain

>>129220984
>demas son hispanos con cultura similar. what the fuck are you talking about pedro, retoma la universidad y aprende economia
vamos haber sudaca que me imagino mas o menos esta detras de esa pantalla (un mono con una pluma en la cabeza.jpg)

QUE CULTURA? robos a mano armada? peleas de bandas? prostitución y trata de blancas? reggaetton?

eso es lo que nos han dado esos tiraflechas

>>129221091
ding ding, this is just what I said.

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>>129208690
Their overlord had.

>>129202979
mmmm taco burrito...

>>129221249
:/ soy aragones, aqui solo vienen estos "tiraflechas" y nos ayudan con el sector primario sin ningun problema social, probalemente la violencia sea causada por el entorno urbano, solo se que donde ningun español viene a ayudarnos, quedandose viendo salvame en casa, los argentinos, venezolanos etc. vienen a ayudarnos con el sector sea cual sea la miseria que les paguemos

>>129216206
>caring about savage injuns over a Euro nation
Wow, mixed up priorities there huh sleeps-with-men?
The only problem with Spanish colonialism is it blocked some of our expansion

>>129221617
hombre les tenemos explotados en telefonica pero eso esta bien compañias grandes , los tiraflechas no se quejan gracias a dios

aqui en mi barrio tenemos un serio problema con las prostitutas colombianas y los gitanos en los pisos de proteccion oficial

>>129221886
en compañías grandes*

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>>129220290
Never. We depend on each other.

>>129221229
Yeah the Basque dont seem to be struggling much. Not white, so idk how much longer ill be able to stay

>>129221886
lo de la prostitucion se resuelve legalizandola y institucionalizandola, asi de facil, con empresas no hay bandas, se puede hacer hasta desde una plataforma mainstream de izquierdas, los gitanos, por el otro lado, son un problema radial, pero por lo general se autodestruyen eventualmente

>>129222199
bueno aqui hasta los cojones en mi barrio, y ya hay denuncias y siguen asi las colombianas prostitutendose pro donde pasan niños

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>mfw my region doesn't have a capital nor an anthem and other people are worried about stupid bullshit.

>>129221960
perfect, the graphic i needed to see, thats where we need to side, with catalan states and the vasques, the southern dudes dont buy shit from us. From an aragonese perpective, we should go just were catalonia goes. the mediterranean is our natural market.

American aqui.

Alguien me habla de Cataluna. Es comodo? Suena comodo desu.

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>>129222478
It's not like your anthems are anything special

>>129222695
their public tv has more anime series translated to catalan language than the rest of hispanic tv's combined

algún tío que pueda darme una sipnosis veloz sobre la situación de Cataluña y porque se quieren separar?

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Catalan Independence is never going to happen,didn't you guys try that last time and the Spanish government were like "yeah, we wont let you lol"

>let them go
>but allow people who chose so to move to any other province, with government help if needed (housing, workplace relocation, etc)
>wait and watch as they quickly crumble, only have morrocan cock to feed on and beg to be accepted back, let them in
>completely humiliated, they're now ready to be balkanized
>population naturally grew to despise their leftist cuck government for inflicting such misery upon them, and joyfully accepts their castillian overlords again
Why wouldn't this work? Bonus points for local gitanos shanking muslims as the ((nation)) is no longer able to enforce laws.

>>129203061
this
top kek
drama queens as the world has seldom seen
ruined medicine and soaring debt too

>>129201089
>Spain in chaos
Nah, just another regular day here. And I'm from Catalonia.

>>129222389
y que tal están esas putas?

>>129222889
they had some sort of symbolic voting that actually did well, this ones for real tho, with "consecuences" as they say it, just get popcorn and watch, like the rest of us. Thats exactly how yugoslavia fell.

>>129201089
Pregunta: ¿Si Cataluña se va, España pasaría a llamarse Castilla?

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>>129201089
>Aragon is revolting!

>>129222858
sounds nice actually.

Is it expensive to live in catalonia? Reasonable? friendly people? uptight dicks?

>>129223155
Si se va toda la antigua corona de Aragón pasaría a ser Castilla, aunque a los andaluces y gallegos les quemará el culo un poco.

>>129223272
work on their tourism sector, it just keeps growing nonstop, some industry will keep surviving from globalism, thanks to mobile world congress and amazon moving there. Most catalans i've known are really tolerant and friendly with us, even trough we are sort of "fucking their economy" and "denying their self-determination rights"

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>>129223380
Hay tanta potencial en ambas Castillas pero no son ni industrializadas ni nada. ¿Por qué?

Yo digo que para hacer que los Catalanes y todos los demás separatistas se callen hay que esparcir la industria.

>>129223155
looking fordward to this, aldready there is no sense in being spain right now without Portugal, spain comes from Hispania, the roman toponym for the peninsula, in this time spectrum we are just some sort of failed-objective region-unitarian state

>>129223535
I think i would like to become a Catalonian.

I would sing their national anthem every day with pride and volunteer to help sick puppies if I were to live there

>>129223830
¿Qué debería hacer España para no morir?

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>>129202880
>Venezuela giving advice on how to succeed

>>129223798
>potencial industrial en ambas Castillas

KEK Son incluso mas desierto que nosotros aragon, ya no les queda ni metal, y con el tiempo, ni agricultura, que tipo de industria vais a desarrollar? la industria no "se esparce" asi como asi,neceista las condiciones optimas caracteristicas de cataluña y euskadi, junto a la mentalidad apropiada, ni castilla ni aragon tiene nada de esto, pero soñar no esta mal i guess

>>129223798
>Yo digo que para hacer que los Catalanes y todos los demás separatistas se callen hay que esparcir la industria.

Así no funciona la cosa. El hecho es que Cataluña tiene una posición estratégica, al tener frontera directa con Europa, eso da más ventajas a la hora de tomar inversores. Por lo de la industria, la industria catalana es un tema viejo de cojones, no es algo que apareció hace dos días. Lo que si es relativamente nuevo es la industrialización del país vasco con el asunto de las metalurgias en el siglo XIX

>>129224115
Puedes contener la herida por un momento pero no la vas a parar. Simplemente, déjala morir.

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This thread was supposed to be for shitposting but turned into a serious discussion... What did I do?

>>129218946
>no institution
PP pays her and PP is publicly funded and the ruling party.

>>129224115
Quizas tirar la monarquia, federalismo, y respetar las diferentes identidades nacionales un poco? mhmm suena a demasiadas concesiones para que las accepte el pan-español madrileño promedio, pero probablemente la mayoria de catalanes y vascos acabarian de acuerdo, ademas; no podrian hechar la culpa a madrid nunca mas, pero claro, madrid no quiere esto, quieren seguir siendo una autoridad relevante, pese a que sin imperio ya no lo son.

>>129202880
Un venezolano ha dado mejores propuestas que dos gobiernos del PP seguidos. Da para pensar

>>129224480
>respetar las diferentes identidades nacionales un poco

¿Y cuáles son las naciones de España? ¿Cuenta Murcia o moroandalucía como una o hay que tener una lengua meme especial para entrar en el club vip de las Españas?

>>129224480
This is what made the Crown of Aragon great.

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>>129224480
He estado pensando en eso, una República Federal, como Estados Unidos o Rusia. La cosa es que la constitución lo prohibe, o se hace una revolución como La Gloriosa o a tomar por culo este país.

>>129201089
So, will catalonia vote for indie, or on?

>>129202007

Saved.

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Why don't solve the problem the other way - force to take out Andaluzia government "fatties" / expenses - oversized government sector ? Normalise efficiency of autonomous regions?

>>129201089

Catalonia is not Spain.

>>129225006
Deberiamos de emplear los siguientes principios:
La region debe de tener lengua, cultura, historia en comun y sentimiento de unidad.
Valen: Una mega castilla unificada, sin murcias ni mierdas, Una Mega cataluña con baleares y valencianos, siempre que estos dos ultimos la validen(y para cerrar boca democraticamente en caso de que no quieran) Euskadi de Pais Vasco + Navarra, Galicia tal cual. El tema del sud, es decir, andalucia, requiere un amplio estudio y reestructuracion en algun tipo de formato mas eficiente

>>129225056
La primera republica fue creada por un catalan federal, la segunda se declaro con cataluña definiendose como republica dentro de una españa federal, e incluso les conseguimos recortar la decision a autonomia, quizas la tercera republica tambien llega como resultado de alguna cosa rara ocurriendo alla, no? seamos optimistas

>>129225558
>El tema del sud, es decir, andalucia, requiere un amplio estudio y reestructuracion en algun tipo de formato mas eficiente

Nah, deja que pase un par de décadas más y resolverás el problema de mierdandalucía. El nacionalismo está aumentando allí desde que se creo la junta que está forzando mierda andalucista. Ya va 13% de la población que solo se siente de la región si sigue así, un par de décadas y serán mayoría.

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>>129225558
Can we all agree with this?

>>129225162
It's really complicated. Trying to make Andalucía great is like trying to make a rotten corpse go back to life.

Even José Antonio Primo de Rivera saw how in such condition Andalucia was, as if they were still living in the 1400s.

>>129225090
Probs, my favorite guess is spanish national police fighing against catalan police for the control of the ballots. Either that or spain does absolutely nothing thus legitimizing it.
The main diference: with first option, catalans will surely vote out against an opresive force; with second there might be a major turnout in favor of spain

>>129202864
How much asspain will there be when Catalonia secedes and they kick Barcelona out of la liga?

>>129225983
You need to get rid of that enclave in Marocco.
Its majority Muslim I have heard and will serve to funnel in more people. As the first mosque has been build in southern spain Aljazeera and other Mena channels got apeshit with joy they wanna crawl up north again the cheeky fuckers.

>>129225983
As an aragonese, i'd fap to this

>>129207353
No thanks we already have moroccans, we don't want niggers.
t. Barcelonian

>>129225890
Bueno, la Segunda República se implantó tras unas elecciones. Yo creo que es solo una cuestión de tiempo a que la mayoría de la gente, incluyendo a los derechas, a querer una tercera república.

>>129226460
quieran una*

>>129214879
No, we are full Pablo.

>>129226460
me temo que sin cataluña el resto seremos insuficientes como para crear una republica, ellos son el nuclio duro republicano visto desde todos los aspectos, el resto es practicamente PP/PSOE/PODEMOS brainwashing, probablemente solo pasemos a una monarquia e incluso mas centralizada, sin cataluña nadie defendera las autonomias, desgraciadamente dudo mucho ver a mis partidos aragonesistas defendiendo la autonomia de aragon en madrid como hacen esos locos de cataluña.

>>129225966
Que dios te oiga.

>>129226460
No es problema de república o monarquía, es problema de corrupción y neoliberalismo pro UE y pro (((progreso))) camuflado como "derechas" o "izquierdas". Aparte del postureo cuentame las diferencias entre PP, PSOE, CS i podemos.

>>129202183

>Catalonia
>anti-muslim

my sides

CHEEE GALLEEE Y EL EEEEESSSPEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOO AHDKKSIDJAKDAHSKHADKHADKHxjJksah

>>129227053
Solo espero que no se radicalicen y acaben con guerrillas y mierdas de esas.....

>>129227124
Monarquia y centralizacion son partes fundamentales de la corrupcion española; hay mas, pero mejor ir paso a paso. desde luego no podemos cambiar la situacion con el cabeza de estado actual.

>>129218891

lol what a joke, it is barcelona that is asking for them.

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>>129227124
Yo creo que sí que tiene que ver. En España no hay separación de poderes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpx4RkCma9k
Además, si te despiertas y ves que esta es la nueva bandera de la República de España, estaría de puta madre.

>>129227579
También podríamos probar como el Reino Unido. Diferentes paises unidos bajo un mismo monarca.

>>129201089
>>Alex Jones hijo puta el referendum no se va a hacer stop siding with catacucks reeeeeeee UNA GRANDE Y LIB

Solomente Ingles aqui maricon.

>>129227837
La Cruz de Borgoña es un símbolo monárquico y tradicionalista, oficialmente Carlista. Como bandera republicana sería una peculiar elección.

>>129227851
Si los catalanes y vascos solo estuviesen unidos por monarca, entonces si que realmente querrian irse a lo duro; el independentismo en estos lugares puede llegar a rozar el 50%, pero el republicanismo debe de estar sobre el 80

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>>129201089
FUCK OFF YOU DEGENERATE MOOR

CATALONIA IS THE LAND OF MOOR SLAYERS

THE FOUR RED STRIPES OF OUR FLAG ARE LITERALLY THE FOUR FINGERS SOAKED IN BLOOD OF GUIFRÉ EL PILÓS, FIGHTING MUSLIMS MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND YEARS AGO

CATALUNYA SERÀ CRISTIANA O NO SERÀ

MORI EL BORBÓ

MORI EL MAL GOVERN

CORPUS DE SANG

"—Ont és vostre capità?,
aont és vostra bandera?
Varen treure'l bon Jesús,
tot cobert ab un vel negre.
—Aquí és nostre capità,aquesta és la nostra bandera.
A les armes, catalans,
qu'ens han declarat la guerra!"

>>129228450
Como catalán la idea de un príncipe no me parece mal.

>>129228929
Dejalo, independizaos, haced una federacion, y nosotros tarde o pronto vendremos, vale mas tener la capital en Barcelona, pero con garantias de autogobierno que en un Madrid que ni sabe que existimos

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>>129201089
If Catalonia were to become independent, what would happen to La Liga?

>>129229549
>giving a shit about circus&bread™

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Que opináis del Reino Visigodo?
He estado leyendo que se vivía bastante bien hasta que Rodrigo la cagó

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>>129229212
A ver si hay suerte.

>>129229832
>Alemanes

>tfw we declare independence just to the immediately reclaim our rightful territories in La Franja, Valencia, Balearians and Rosselló.

I CAN'T WAIT

Friendly reminder to all secesionist right here.

Art. 8 Las Fuerzas Armadas, constituidas por el Ejército de Tierra, la Armada y el Ejército del Aire, tienen como misión garantizar la soberanía e independencia de España, defender su integridad territorial y el ordenamiento constitucional.

>>129230994
Dato curioso: El Reino Visigodo fue débil debido a que apenas había comercio, la razón siendo que había un odio gigantesco a los judíos.

>>129231753
we will be waiting, manolo

oh man spanish civil war sounds so cool cant wait

>>129231978
Oy vey

>>129231753
I have nothing better to die for. At least I would die a hero and would not have to witness how Europe becomes an islamic caliphate.

>>129202007
>>129201089
I Spain about to eat itself again? It's been really quiet lately?

>>129233673

No, the fact is the catalonia has no army or legal authority to claim independence, and even if they did, they would just get BTFO like every other time in history.

>>129201089
How did you fell from being the biggest Empire in the world to this?

Sad.

>>129232559
you and what army Sisplau..?
>>129233407
Plz, dont chose to die for a bunch of politicians who want secesion only for not to be jugded by the law.

>>129233882
So its just Spaniards being autistic again? What if they go full Basque on the government?

>>129202183
Every one knows Catalonia is a commie shithole

>>129233948

disloyal mestizos eager to plunge their regions into 3rd world shit holes

>>129234192

is basque independant?

>>129234385
I meant in that they bombed the government and were a general pain in the ass for the Spaniards for almost 50 years

>>129234302
Then is their fault for being weak?

>>129234582

they didn't get independance and eventually gave up. same thing would happen.

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>>129201089
Catalonia is S P A I N
Fuck right off with your independence bullshit you stupid cunts.

>>129234616

You backstabbed the empire during an assault by a foreign power, and now you are ruled by brutal drug lord.

Good job.

>>129225983
Sinceramente, con tener el territorio dividido en los 5 reinos que componen el escudo de españa sería más que suficiente, al fin y al cabo componen a las provincias que tradicionalemente han estado más relacionadas

>>129209021
Spain should take Portugal.

>>129201089
Catalans are cucks. It's like Spanish California. So why are you getting mad at these cucks leaving your country?

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>>129227837
Ante up

>>129236293
Cuz without Catalonia it's just Madrid and gypsies.

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>>129201089
I don't want to be a vassal of Castile aka Spain

>>129234062
It's not about politicians, it's about Nation. We are genuenly disappearing for the first time in our history. If there's a chance of reversing the process, even if small, I'm willing to make the final sacrifice for it.

>>129237619

bullshit, Catalonia has more autonomy today than anytime in history.

>>129237894
And yet there is less Catalan people than anytime in history.

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>>129201089
There is no such thing as Spain. Only Castille, one of several countries in Iberia.

>muh commies
yeah, that's why a centrist economically liberal party has won the majority of the elections

Catalanas are gonna get BTFO by based cuck man Rajoy
I am gonna LMAO at your impotence!
Enjoy getting twice as many fucking muslims for being such commie pieces of shit.
t. Asturian diaspora master race

>>129238016

what exactly are you basing that on?

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>>129238271
>Dutchland
IT'S CALLED DEUTSCHLAND: D-E-U-T-S-C-H-L-A-N-D FIX YOUR FUCKING MAP ALREADY HIROHITO

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>>129238895
In my daily experience retard?

>>129201089
Aren't these referendums illegal? I don't think Spain will give a shit.

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>>129228895
dis

>>129239020

if you are mad about immigrants. it is your own pro-immigrant local government to get mad at.

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>>129201089
Portugal and catalonia es spain, raze barcelona to ground

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>>129239484
this guy again

>>129239674
I make you cry?
There is only one Iberia one nation.

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>>129239418
>it is your own pro-immigrant local government to get mad at.
Nice joke lad. The day we control borders I'll do that.

>>129239484
Unironically kys mongrel.

>>129239939
At least learn English

>>129239418
lol

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>>129236577
MY SIDES

>>129239970

So tell my why does your local goverment give free gibs to immigrants if you don't want them there.

Why did barcelona have the biggest refugee welcome march in spain???

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>>129207019
THIS

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>>129240750
Dont trust AIDSalonia

>>129237619
it starts with Catalonia, then Morocco takes 2 plazas of soberania, rocks and islets (like in start of Perejil Island crisis), independent Catalonia takes other former territories of Crown of Aragon, when will it stop? When will the bloodshed stop?

>>129240750
>why does your local goverment give free gibs to immigrants
This is the Spanish government, we don't have local subsides here.

>Why did barcelona have the biggest refugee welcome march in spain???
People from all over Spain attended.

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>>129241364
https://euobserver.com/justice/125904
They want seperatism to prevent us from saving our blood... with false patriotic propaganda

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Spain should become under Portuguese rule until they sort theirselvs out

>>129241661
They want our people divided and conquered, we will never betray our brothers and sisters in the east to the seperatists traitors.

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>>129241364
pride started in USA

>>129241544

>People from all over Spain attended.


bullshit, they are waving catalonian flag, this people are the same people that vote separatists.

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>>129241484
I wish

>>129241661
Personally I want independence to put those people in camps together with moors.

>>129201089
Catalonia through Galicia should form a union. They can be rid of Al-Andalus and form a beautiful Aryan nation, rather than a half nigger moor confederation

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what if the catalunian separatist movement is a high class plot to prevent Messi from pay taxes?

>>129241841
We will NEVERleave pur brothers weak snd in the darkness alone we will always chain us all together.

>>129241945
It was organised by a man whose name ends in berg. That's all you need to know.

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>>129241364
>
https://www.esmadrid.com/en/whats-on/world-pride-madrid-2017

>>129201089
Catalonians are just Spaniards in denial. The only ones in Spain who should get independence are the Basques. All others simply need to shut up and hail madre España.

>>129241710
Portugal is same nation and should be annexed to spain.

>>129242578
Basques are spanish as well.

>>129242578
t. danish in denial

>>129202183
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%ADo_de_las_Azores
And all the support against terrorism in ME what we do, with you.

>>129202981
RARE
A
R
E

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problems?

>>129242663
Portugal is way stabler, getting annexed to Spain would be a preposterous idea and very ineffective

>>129242928
Saying catalonia is nationalist is like saying cuba is nationalist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia

>>129203390
Sure, we will let them but they pay all debt, all stolen money to us, all the economic infraestructure and industries we have financed and then, when they are poor and overpopulated with mudslims, we will talk

>>129220983
Homosexuals can´t be natsoc.

>>129243049
Portugal is not stabler, and west iberian land belongs to iberians.

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>>129243271
Fifth Empire coming soon.

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>>129242663
Made 2 regime changes without bloodshed in 20th century (just 4 guys dead in 25th April).
Portugal is a country of peace.

>>129243099
>>129243271
Jesus christ fucking retard aren't you tired of larping as spanish everyday calling for the unification of Iberia when you don't even belong here?

>>129243099
WTF are u talking about? Cant you read burger? I was replying about u talking about spanish help. Nothing to do with nationalist or sth

Por la gloria de Roto2.

>>129243590
yes he is. prob just a commie who want to unite the workers of iberia

>>129242764
The Basque language is unrelated to any other language in Europe. They've managed to live pretty much isolated since before the Indo-Europeans migrated in, which is why it is still alive today. So no, they're not Spanish, and not any other ethnicity either.
>>129242773
I bloody wish I was

inshallah we will soon be wilayat catalonia.

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>>129243835
>workers
His fellow mongrels and moors he wants to unite. All the day talking about things he knows nothing about and posting his face.

>>129243949
They are genetically Iberian

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We will enter like we did in '39

>>129244141
lol jajaja who will enter? you?? top kek

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>>129243835
I want a nationalist state for solely the Iberian race.

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>>129244141
We'll be waiting for you manolo :DDDDDDDD

>>129243984
>>129244253
You will go to the camps :DDDDDDDD

>>129244075
He wants to be a otto von bismark of europe perhaps. Or he is playing to much skyrim. but its interesting how an individual can be so fanatically living the Iberian influence.

>>129244536
Probably he played too much eu4

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>>129244536
Are you mentally retarded?
I am Iberian, filthy moor kike.

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>>129243765
how can we make Estat Català great again?
;______;

>>129244089
>Since the Basque language is unrelated to Indo-European, it has long been thought to represent the people or culture that occupied Europe before the spread of Indo-European languages there. A comprehensive analysis of Basque genetic patterns has shown that Basque genetic uniqueness predates the arrival of agriculture in the Iberian Peninsula, about 7,000 years ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques

http://www.cell.com/AJHG/fulltext/S0002-9297%2812%2900032-8

Basque nation-state when?

>>129244332
I told you that's impossible. I understand your fanaticism, but you have also to understand that that is impossible. You have to find and display solutions.

>>129244818
You cant kike me I am of your blood you want to simply grab supporters for an authoritarian marxist state in order weaken and destroy the iberian race, and for this DEATH.