What's your opinion on the whole "born homosexual"

>>129153020
I think it's mostly genetic. I've known I was straight from a very early age, and that seems to be the case for most gay people too.

>>129153020
bump

>>129153473

Why is there a a gay pol discord?

>>129153020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw

>>129156397
https://youtu.be/128g8yJI65w

We are losing femme gays everyday to prostitution and the estrogen scourge.

Nobody is born homosexual, until there is science to disprove this or even a plausible theory I believe everyone is born heterosexual according. Homosexuality is a disorder (i'm not hating on gays) but it is a deviation off the natural course off human reproduction and goes against our species goals.

Therefore I believe homosexuality is environmental, studies have found homosexuality is heavily linked to Childhood abuse and trauma.

>>129157534
Plausible theory: Gays have a mutation on the X chromosome that women also get (of course) that makes them more attracted to men than they would be otherwise. In women, this is advantageous, and a study showed women who are relatives of homosexuals have 1.3x the number of kids on average. For men, it is deleterious but women can carry the gene onward so it doesn't disappear. Gay men do sometimes reproduce and surrogacy will only increase that number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x/abstract

http://sci-hub.bz/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x

I think it can be both. I know several homosexuals that knew they were gay from childhood. I also know gay men who belive their early traumatic sexual encounters with pedophiles manifested into homosexual behavior. I also remeber reading a study which stated theres a link between high iq and sexual deviance. Either way homosexuality is found in many animals and should be respected imo.

For it to be a plausible theory you'd have to prove that gays have a mutation on the X chromosome.

>>129153020

well, what made you a faggot OP?

are you gonna tell us?

Rape, necrophilia, incest and eating mothers feces is also found in many animals and you know what? Spiders can regrow limbs! Therefore humans can too.

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>>129158250

God makes them gay its beautiful you bigot

>>129153020
I think it's definitely developmental. I remember having homo thoughts as early as 5, but it didn't really hit me that I was gay until about 13 when I realized I wasn't into girls.
No, I wasn't molested as a child.

>>129153020
it's upringing or environment
before i came on 4chan i was a normal sexually adjusted person, but all this trap porn and whatnot, past me would probably look at it in disgust but i see it as normal

>>129156737
>tfw no turbofag sissy queen ""bf"" to hatefuck and made my housewife

>>129158250
Correct and I'm not sure though to what extent science has not reached that yet vs. how much that is deliberately seen as an undesirable outcome by those against genetic manipulation/eugenics.

>tfw libtard thinktanks funnel millions upon millions into studies to find the 'gay gene'
>tfw the best the scientists, that are embezzling money out of the gay science fund for their retirement fund, is that there's a vague indication of possible mutations which may lead to the discovery of the gay gene
>tfw the same libtards decry any corporate funded studies because there's a conflict of interest

really :thinking: makes :thinking: you :thinking: think

>>129153020
bump

If you could choose to be gay there'd be a whole lot more gay dudes around. I don't know anyone who'd willingly put up with women if they weren't forced to on a biological level.

>>129157534
Let's say you're right, that people who are abused are more likely to be homosexual - this does not account for the millions of people who are gay who have not been abused. It also does not account for the majority of those who have experienced abuse and have turned out heterosexual. Your claim that only homosexuality is environmental isn't founded on anything other than 'it goes against our species goals.' That isn't an argument.

>>129158474
Desensitisation does not equal attraction. While I am not as repulsed by the thought of gay sex as I once was, that doesn't mean I'm about to suck some guy's dick.

Every homosexual that I've ever known has had some kind of emotional problem or mental illness unrelated to being homosexual. Literally every single one of them.

The ones who aren't born gay get sucked into it

You're misrepresenting my argument.
"that people who are abused are more likely to be homosexual" I never said that.
I said "studies have found homosexuality is heavily linked to Childhood abuse and trauma."

Plenty of abused people don't end up
as homosexual.

My argument was homosexuality is from an environmental standpoint not that they were abused, debate my actual argument.

>>129160470
>"that people who are abused are more likely to be homosexual" I never said that.
>I said "studies have found homosexuality is heavily linked to Childhood abuse and trauma
The implication is the same.

>debate my actual argument.
Maybe when you present one.

>>129153020
I dont give a shit about your sexuality. Wanna be a faggot who gets fucked in the ass? great have fun.

I do however think that Transgender people are mentally unstable and need therapy and medication.

>>129153020

Its no more complicated than liking something or not liking it, how much so and then deciding whether to seek it out again. Heteros have it easy because it is *assumed* they like girls, so its an easy choice and all of society is behind it. Its not hard to like either, but it is hard to persist openly in homosex,

No one really *is* anything, we just repeat the things today that we did yesterday and dont think much about it. We assume the decisions we already made were good enough. Most theories, including especially the 'born that way' bullshit are just blatant claptrap, as is the idea that you "are" something. Some people like girls and then like guys later as well, some leave girls altogether but rarely. Guys who like guys dont try girls as much because society has more rules about hetero relations that make it a bigger challenge and full of obstacles not as present among homosex pursuits.

This regards likes and behavior; the idea of identity and lifestyle are much more abstract, inflated notions that have much less to do with the actual persons likes than their sense of identity. Straights dont sit around deciding if they want to be straight, but gays do decide if they want to announce their preference.

Contrary to common myth, gays are not simply straights with a different polarity. Theres more to it, and as you intuited, ir is shaped from experience. Much of those experiences arent even sexual, but pre-sexual development in how one relates to males and females before sex even occurs to them in youth, and can prefigure preferences, which is why it seems like it came from nowhere.

>>129161105

And I should note that no one will ever accept any *rational* explanation for homosexual interest, because by doing so, you explain how heteros develop too, which destroys all the romantic myth built around it. So we keep pretending its a mystery. We dont like learning how much of our personality is actually beyond our control from influences in youth by culture that we never realized were influencing us. No puppet ever wants to see its strings.

>>129157915
All women are bisexual to some degree, Most just dont admit it or act on it because of religion and shame

>>129161270
Well but equally I think men are more centered on the axes of fully gay and fully straight.

>>129161154
I agree with you to a certain extent. You're too dismissive of genetics' influence on our personality for me to wholly agree with you, but I get the gist of what you're saying.

>>129161270
Same with men, although in my case I'd say I'm like 99% straight.

>>129153020
The research I've read indicates it's determined at the embryonic stage. If that's correct, gays (the real ones, not the larping attention whores) might indeed be born this way, but are not conceived homosexual, it's something that takes place after that (i.e. it could be a preventable thing, once the cause is known).

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>>129153020
Why does it seem like homosexuality is the one wedge issue that /pol/ can't reach a clear consensus on? It feels like almost everything else is either black or white, but for this one issue we're just split down the middle. On one hand you have people saying that homosexuality is a normal and ultimately unpreventable thing that isn't worth getting worked up over, and on the other extreme you have people spouting stuff like "85% of homosexuals have had over 6 gorillion partners and raped at least 7 schoolboys" and other sketchy statistics. Then on another hand you have the people who know homosexuality is unpreventable but don't want it pervading society because it encourages sexual pleasure outside of procreation and promotes hedonism, or something of that nature. It's like a big discussion on liberty vs. authority and how much freedom should be allotted to citizens in a given society. /pol/'s seemingly recent obsession with Christianity just makes things even more complicated.
I dunno, it just feels like a massive grey area for /pol/.

>>129158437

Aussies lost to Emus. What makes them think they can win against Carp?

>>129153020
I think the lions share were homo sexually molested as kids.

>>129153020
shill

>>129163526
Well, at least you're being honest about pulling stats from your ass.

Who cares

>>129153020
If it's true theres two possibilities

>Epigenetic malfunction due to weird environmental factors like xenoestrogen
>The Buddhists were right and fags are too attached to their previous incarnation where they were a woman

I think it's mostly nurture, if not entirely. That doesn't mean it's a choice either, though. As a child you will experience a number of things, and while you may be genetically predisposed to end up gay, the events through your early years will be the biggest factor.

Aren't homosexuals insanely more likely to have been sexually abused as children compared to heterosexuals? That should stop the idea of 'gay from birth' full stop, and I'm a leaf who supports gay rights, but we should be honest about it and not encourage it.

>>129164513
well said.

i sucked alot of dick in prison to pass the time but i aint no fag iight shieeet

>>129153020
Traps arent gay.

>>129158996
pretty much this.

Let's take a closer look from a male perspective

Gay:
> Basically unlimited one night stands
> No chance of pregnancy
> Keep most of your money for yourself
> Special treatment in the workplace and anything government affiliated
> Increased risk of AIDS

Straight:
> Constantly have to battle with women for sex.
> General expectation of any sexual encounter turning into a committed relationship
> Must take precautions to avoid unwanted pregnancy - still doesn't work sometimes
> Spend a good chunk of your money on wife, children, extended family, household needs
> Constantly get shit on by society even though you are the backbone of the whole system
> Relatively low chance of AIDS

Who would willingly choose this bullshit?

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Join the OFFICIAL /polgb/ Discord;

https://discord dot gg/QtT6E

Convincing weak minded cunts that gay is normal is Jewish Tricks 101.
Its just filthy fucking degeneracy and needs to be bashed out of them.

>>129153020
There is no empirical evidence for it, including no biological basis. If a genetic identifier does exist and is found, it will be only a matter of time until those genes are treated as cancerous as Downs Syndrome.

However, I believe that faggotry is a result of mental illness, born from feelings of inadequacy or discomfort around the opposite sex, which may be caused by any number of things. Most people who experience this get over it, while a few develop anxiety disorders and various other problems. They become fixated on faggotry as a result.

>>129153020
they are born gay in that they are raped so young they dont even remember it but it has affected their brain making them faggots

>>129153020
Antedotal, but I knew my cousin was gay when he was like 4 years old

>>129166089
How so?

>>129166089
Protip: your uncle is a monster, and your cousin probably isn't even aware

>>129156397
Because polgbt is a bunch of christian fundamentalist fuckheads trying to convert gays into their retarded cult.

>>129166241
Really? That's amazing. I assumed it was just gay guys sperging out.

>>129159638
I have to admit same here. Most of my gay friends are frigging weirdos lol

>>129166394
You have gay friends? What are they like?

>>129165675
Jeez anon

>>129153020
My cousin and I back in high school like average teenage boys would talk about chicks, wanting to lose our virginity, the usual 'guy' stuff. He was hornier than me and chased a lot more girls than I did. I never suspected him to be gay. Fast forward 10 years -- he comes out of the closet as gay -- well he sure had me fooled in high school. No way it was a facade. After talking to him about it he told me that he was """born""" gay and just faked it for his entire life. Biggest load of bull shit I've ever been fed in my entire life. When I tried to get him to recall how horny and how he'd pine for women in highschool he acts as if he NEVER did.

Pretty sure gays say they were born that way to cement in an argumentation point about how "you can't choose who you're attracted to." when in fact the opposite is true. Gay feelings are not natural and lead to genetic dead ends -- there is no benefit from being gay, and you can't spread your gay genes if you are gay. It's just a fad that people meme themselves into and then they refuse to come back to reality.

>>129166663
The "I was born gay" argument is simply used because changing would be inconvenient.

>>129165675
This to be honest

>>129166663
A lot of gay people try very hard to change themselves, and often act very straight to compensate. It is fact that the most outspoken homophobes are often gay. Look it up.

>when in fact the opposite is true.
Go watch some gay porn and see what it does for you then. I am very open to the idea of being attracted to men, but I simply can't make myself.

Are bisexuals gays in denial? Bisexual men that is

>>129166663
I've literally never felt attraction toward women. And believe me, I've tried. I feel like anecdotal evidence can't be used to draw conclusions about these things, unless we start noticing common trends in them.

>>129167472
Or new to being gay.

>>129153020
Turns out sexuality is a construct

No one is born gay they choose to be gay

According to modern sjws

>>129159357
I haven't seen a homosexual that wasn't at least on of these:
>abused
>divorced parent (single mum)
>mental illness, ranging from schizo to manic depression
Not a single one. They all have something very wrong with them, not always abuse. however homosexual molestation of an underaged person will very often result in another homosexual. This is their primary way of spreading.

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How about I just post the redpill on homosexuality that basically answers every question addresses every possible argument. Save us some time.

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>>129153020
it is "normal" to be born heterosexual. this is how we have gotten this far as a species.

shitlibs want to romanticize sex and sexuality, make it this flowery poetic expression of your unique self or some bullshit. it's not, sex is a means of reproduction that happens to make your brain feel really good because your naughty bits get stimulated.

my prostate will objectively feel good if I stick something up it—that doesn't mean I should let another dude stick his dick in my butthole. women are objectively the more beautiful sex, and even women see that. just because women can recognize the beauty of their fellow women doesn't mean they should get all sexy with em.

I completely believe that people can be born gay, and there's nothing wrong with it, as long as they keep to themselves. the problem is when it gets "normalized" to the point where being gay is equated with being cool and special and unique, because then people (women especially, but also feminized nu-males) start brainwashing themselves I to thinking "maybe I'm gay too". this is because women and nu-males are herd animals who require social validation over all else, so they go with the flow of what ever everyone else is doing.

I met a young woman last year and we flirted for months, and, long story short, after I was convinced that she was definitely into me, I asked her out, and she told me she was gay. she's an SJW, and I thought if she was truly into me, I'd be able to fuck some sense into her, but no, the liberal mind-virus is far more powerful than I had imagined—she was unaware of her own attraction to me, and to all the flirting she was doing, because she literally doesn't understand her own feelings, and allows them to be overridden by the leftist brainwashing. I was sad for awhile because I really cared about her and wanted to save her from her mindjail, but alas I could not, so I moved on.

pic related.

>>129167950
Link to that thread?

>>129167558
Let's recall op asking for 'your opinion'. I have mine, and I think you're bullshitting me just like my cousin and any other gay male to justify your illness as uncontrollable and unfixable.

>>129168389
That 404'd a very a long time ago, probably. No idea if it's archived.

>>129167876
You mustn't have met many homosexuals then.

>>129168206
>she was unaware of her own attraction to me, and to all the flirting she was doing, because she literally doesn't understand her own feelings
Holy kek, you literally cannot make this shit up. You got rejected, get over it crybaby.

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>>129153725
Early childhood abuse from <6 y.o causing arrested development and disassociation. Not genetic. Goes untreated because they are better workers and consumers while disassociated and because treatment requires psychoanalysis and then roleplay therapy so they can imagine healthy outcomes to their trauma and stop obsessing over and reenacting it.

Trying to remember if it was the berenstain or berenstein bears helped me remember my repressed childhood and I've been doing a lot of crying and reflecting since.

>>129168621
Dude, I'm not trying to taqiyya you here. I was raised Catholic and taught all throughout my childhood that being gay is wrong. And after all that conditioning, I still turned out the way I'm am. And you know what? I was ashamed of it. I'm still ashamed. I tried and tried to develop an attraction toward women (including trying in vain multiple times to fap to straight porn) but it just doesn't work like that. I have a feeling your cousin was either trying to overcompensate for his closet faggotry, or he's still straight and he's just lying to himself.

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>>129153020
Nothing in life is ever only one thing or only another.

>>129153020
Think of it like this: if you can't turn yourself gay then gays can't just turn themselves straight. Their brains are just wired up to prefer men, they can't help it. Just let them be, they're not hurting you.

>>129169597
Suicide is your only option fag.

>>129169597
That's interesting. I come from a Christian family and went to Christian schools. Not once have I ever heard them even mention the subject of homosexuality.

Homosexuals act like Christians are constantly on the subject of it. The bible has 31,173 verses only 6 of them are even about homosexuality they have a lot of other things to talk about and teach other than the small subject of homosexuality.

Maybe it's just Americans..

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>>129169192
lolol not only am I 100% over her, but I didn't tell most of the story such that I could fully establish what happened. I'm not sad because she rejected me, I'm sad because she's a good friend of mine and in a few decades she'll hit The Wall, realize she wasted her life, and then get super depressed and possibly kill herself. I have an aunt who basically did exactly that, bought into the le empowered strong woman who can have a career all on her own and don't need no man meme, got a dog to pacify her inherent biological maternal instincts, and then hit The Wall, the dog died, and now she's borderline suicidal.

this is only going to get worse as time goes on. I was naive to think I could reverse the effects of the mind-virus. once you're in deep, there's no going back. by tying these memes to people's identity and sense of self-worth, they prevent people from ever separating the two and thinking freely ever again.

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>>129153020

Homos (fags) live in the sewers. They feed off of rotten fish and I hear they are poisonous.

An investigated study was conducted by KEK State University. The venom form a gay wad, once injected after penetrating the skin, caused the victim to have outrage symptoms. This lead to the "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" movement. Poor infected Keks, were later detoxed and was able to live among society.

But the story doesn't end there.

Once upon a time. A fairy said, "A GUUU" and we murdered it with fire. And the real world celebrated. The End.

Now go away. KEK hates you, and so do I.

>>129170435
6 lines have been used to treat people differently.

>>129153020
Homosexuality is programmed into people. I was born straight, hated the sight of dick but loved hardcore porn. Eventually I came to be used to looking at dick. Then one time I saw a tf2 futa spray and felt turned on (not even knowing what futa was). It's all the kike programming to blame.

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>>129153020
there is zero scientific evidence that homosexuality is in any way genetic or related to any physical causes
it is 100% psychological and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot

>>129153020
Homos are just as bad as vegans in terms of broadcasting their lifestyle. I dont care for either. And noone should have to.

>>129171115
So can you psychologically turn yourself gay?

>>129171406
In a day? A week? Or even a month? Probably not. How about over ten years? What if that window takes place during puberty, your childhood, when you are most impressionable? Quite likely.

>>129171115
There's even less evidence that it's due to environmental factors, most scientists believe sexual orientation is determined in the womb, due to a multitude of factors... not genetics, not life experiences growing up, but your development in the womb, and honestly that makes the most sense to me.

>>129153020
>I feel like sexuality is something mostly shaped by your life experiences
That's literally what it is, any other explanation is bullshit

>>129171378
Why do you insist on shoving your heterosexual lifestyle in gay people's faces?

>>129171406
i dont think it would be that easy to do it intentionally
it's most likely culminated through several events throughout their childhood
>inb4 i was always gay!
children don't think about sexual desires until about puberty so there's a lot of time for this to happen

but since there are in fact documented cases of gay people going back to being straight then the reverse must be true as well
(liberals will tell you that the subject in these cases are lying about becoming straight/were lying about ever being gay)

>>129171594
What a load of rubbish. "Even less evidence" There is either evidence or there is not.

Sexuality is environmental, there's a reason why Asians born in western countries find western women more attractive...

>>129171595
If men are more beautiful why would I fap to women's bodies with a male genital in my gayest moments? Hairy fucks are disgusting to me still.

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>>129171595
My jimmies have been rustled.

>>129171595
>man's body is better looking than a woman and everybody knows it
sorry but you can't just say things and expect people to take you seriously
what i say is backed up by reality
what you say is not

even women prefer to look at women
that's why more art is done of women and women are preferred as waitresses, masseuses, flight attendants, secretaries etc
even women prefer to see the beauty of the female form rather than stare at a gruff man when it comes to non sexual situations

hiding your comment now so i dont have to see that disgusting queer's asshole in my peripheral vision

Homosexuality is a mental illness and that is a fact. Sad part is homosexuals pressured the APA to declassify it as one by protesting infant of their conferences every year. If they would seek help for their mental illness they homosexuals wouldn't have such a high suicide rate and drug abuse problem

>>129171594
>most scientists believe
yeah no there are no scientists that believe that in any way
there are talking heads with political agendas that will tell you that
but there is no hard science that there is any physical cause for homosexuality

people have been doing research on it for decades now and nothing genetic has been found
there isn't even any physical differences in the brain
stop falling for libtard propoganda and seek cold hard evidence

I think it's biological. Probably related to in-utero hormones or something like that causative. Could be many factors. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

Plus, homosexuality has benefits for the survival of the species so it may even be selected for (i.e., communities with homosexual males may succeed more often because they are more resource efficient, leading to more children overall.)

In the end it's something that can't be changed or removed, so the right way to handle it is to just stop giving a shit and let people live their lives.

>>129153020
My personal experience is that it's a fetish shaped by porn. I think there's articles out there supporting this idea too, but I'm uncertain of where they are.
Anyway, avoid the kike's evil porn. Don't over-fap. Everything in moderation, and your sexuality will retain within natural limits, more or less.

i think it has to be true. the physiological rejection of homo stuff that straights feel is too powerful to be learned

>>129172059
I'd report that disgusting image too if it will do anything.

I think it's environmental. The environment being the womb and the delicately balanced hormonal brain bath that can be messed up sometimes.

I mean I hear gay men have brain scans similar to women's and lesbians to men's. I guess trans are even more to the extreme.

I suppose that means it could be cured but there are a host of ethical problems with experimenting on unborn fetuses so I don't think it will ever happen.

>>129172451
you heard wrong because that isn't remotely true
there is zero structural or chemical difference between a gay man's brain and a straight man's brain

>most gays were sexually abused as kids..so its mostly passed on like religion.

>>129172335
>My personal experience is that it's a fetish shaped by porn.

So porn turned you gay? lol

It's more likely that because sexual preference is a spectrum you aren't 100% straight, even though you'd never want to have sex with a dude.

>>129172451
Honestly, it's probably a mixture of prenatal and postnatal environments and genetics. Sexuality is complicated. In any case, it isn't important exactly how, we just need to learn to respect it.

>>129153020
if homosexuals are born the way they are and if there is nothing wrong about it nor something to do about it pedophiles should be treated just the same way. if one tries to defend one side he automatically defends the other

>>129172335
This.
You can condition yourself to like anything at all like pavlov's dog. In this regard everything is a choice. First you fap to traps, then you fap to hardocore gay shit.

In other hand I have no idea if anyone can be born gay.
When i was like 4 and found picks of naked boobs i was gettong hard on entirely unaware of what is it about.

Dont fag children like boobs and get hard ons looking at pics with dicks?

Milo pretty much confirmed he got gayed by a catholic priest as a teenager. And he leans towards "choice" views.

>>129172620
Repetitive masturbation to pornography where males and females have sex resulting in homosexuality is very plausible imo.

You're literally watching another man have sex and considering that these days most porn opens with a blow job - you're staring at his genitalia while masturbating (releasing dopamine into you're brain causes you to feel pleasure.)

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>>129172620
>>129172718
>t. Libtard shitheads who think Bill Nye is an authority on science
wtf why was his stupid propaganda so effective
kill yourself you impressionable faggots!!!!

>>129172335

I think that everyone is born with some variable tendency to pick up fetishes. Sometimes that fetish is for the same sex. That's it.

Are there any fags in here?
Can anyone confirm whether or not they liked pics with tits as children? Were they popping hardons to men before they learned about penis in anus thing?

>>129172975
You are ignoring the key distinction that children can't consent. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a pedophile, so long as they don't act on it.

>>129173052
dumb frogposter

>>129153020
if being born something makes it ok.. then I was born racist and homophobic. deal with it.

I'm with Richard Dawkins, since he is a biologist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0

TL;DW: He says that the "gay gene" doe not necessarily make you gay, but can manifest itself in other ways. This would explain how it was preserved. So basically it's a measure of both nature and nurture

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>>129173298
go back to roddit cuck

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>>129172059
>that's why more art is done of women
Pic related

>even women prefer to look at women
Oh yes, girls watch Twilight or read yaois just to look at other women: are you fucking serious man?

>waitresses
Lol, fucking no, men are preferable here because they work more and can carry more weight (dishes) at the same time

>masseuses
I would say it is a 60-40 situation, there are more women because you still have to employ them somewhere

>flight attendants
Same as above, but why then pilots are always men? Men is superior in every aspect.

>secretaries
Same as above, the problem is that also women have to be productive somehow and low tier jobs are their only life project, because they are inferior to men.

Hiding your message because I don't want to look at inferior living beings covered by shit

>>129173284
What do you mean children can't consent? Are you talking in legal terms?

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>>129172620
>>129173044
>>129173052
>>129172620
Gave me bi considerations. Started fapping to gay thoughts while watching the most fucked up things.

However, if I avoid porn for a while, reduce fapping, and socialize/fuck/date with girls, I guarantee my sexuality is straighter than the ocean horizon and anything gay will disgust me.
It's a bit weird. But has something to do with dopamine and neural pathways, and the fetish for cock can form like any other fetish. (there was an experiment showing new fetishes can be formed even under lab scenarios, but unfortunately, I do not have my sources so you'll have to take my word fr it unless some other anon has it)
Anyway, ((they)) know this shit, and that's why ((they)) channel out so much hardcore porn. ((They're)) literally rewiring people's brains into interracial/gay fetishes.

I mean obviously people are born gay because why would anybody choose that kind of lifestyle? Given the chance I'm sure people would want to be normal

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>>129173436
>gay gene
>which doesn't fucking exist
so i guess Richard Dawkins is a complete fraud?

>>129173530

They can't consent to what they can't understand.

>>129173284
>You are ignoring the key distinction that children can't consent
legally..
its like saying you can't murder.
you can, it just isn't legal.

shemale porn made me gay i just realized a month ago, ive been watching it for years and finally i want to get fucked myself

this is happening at 30 and all my life i had romantic feelings for women, i have sexual dreams with women

but now i cant get it up to anything other than fag shit i feel like this came from outta nowhere

porn is poison

>>129173568
That's the point, dickhead. It's not explicitly a gay gene but can easily manifest itself as such given the contingent conditions.

>>129173627
>They can't consent to what they can't understand.
abortion?

>>129173627
Most kids understand sex by the age of 12. Yet that is still pedophilia, the only way you can argue they can't consent is from a legal standpoint.

>>129173189
Well I'm close to gay and I'd say I loved nice round tits women had even at young age.

>>129153020
Gay people's brains are different. Thread over. It's either plain gentic or something the fetus is exposed to in the womb.

I'm straight and I could never have become gay by life experiences.

>>129153020
It's probably an error. They were born with it. Evolution makes mistakes all the time.

>>129173502
>im just gonna say the opposite of reality >because that's how i want things to be
the vast majority of service staff in restaurants are women
the EXTREME majority of masseuses are women
and there are almost no female flight attendants
and it's a fact that lesbian porn is much more popular among women than gay porn
but obviously the most popular porn among women is straight porn

its a well observed phenomenon that women prefer to look at women over men (once again unless they're thinking sex)
and they're more comfortable around other women as well because women are cleaner and less aggressive
female masseuses are preferred by women as well as men
if you're going to argue why don't you actually base your arguments off of reality instead of how you want reality to be

>>129173284
and the same goes for homosexuals. I don't fucking care what you want to fuck as long as its not me. the homosexual can have sex with another man regardless of consent. that's rape regardless of the age of the not victim

>>129173044
Shit, this in particular. I know there's a study out there for this. For starters, you see the man's genitals only, however, you see the woman's face. Empathy turns on in your brain, you imagine things from her perspective and holyshitthat'snastybutmakesmehornier and next thing you know, "I wonder what it's like to suck a cock."
Lay off the porn, fap conservatively or not at all, and I'd only be able to get stiff thinking about fucking women and getting them pregnant.

>>129173530
Yes and no. There is a reason why children can't legally consent, because they are at an age where they can be easily influenced or taken advantage of which can cause serious psychological harm.

>>129173652

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>>129173658
if it doesn't exist it can't manifest you imbecile

>>129173769

Not really. It's an adult concept that requires more life experience. They don't understand the biological nor the social consequences properly at that age.

>>129173875
No, it is not the same. Two adults are capable of consent, a child is not.

>>129173654
It's because it's exotic and men know how to treat their bodies for pleasure more than women so you get kinkier results. There is still kinky straight porn though.

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>>129173502
oh yeah and i forgot to mention
for every sculpture/painting of a man there are about 10 of the same thing of women
go to an art museum and see for yourself

also if you're going to try and convince me that women are sacks of shit and society would be better off if they weren't allowed to screw things up than i already agree 100%
it doesn't mean that i will ever want to sleep with a man instead of women
sex is one of the few things women are good for a long with giving birth ofc

>>129173914
>There is a reason why children can't legally consent
great argument until you start playing with numbers.. ie 13 can fuck 15 but not 18

>>129173802
You're ignoring that brains constantly change over time and the environment can change brain structure.

>>129170616
Yes, but it's because those six verses are what the bible has to say on the issue. Homosexual acts are sinful.

>>129173998
>They don't understand the biological nor the social consequences properly at that age.
but they can transgender at five

>>129174237

No one is saying they can, just that there's a difference between two 13 year olds doing it and a 13 and 30 year old doing it. With the latter there's almost certainly going to be some form of manipulation.

>>129174117
Back to that "They can't consent"?
I'm started to think that is a blanket term with no real meaning.

Children can consent, they just can't legally consent.

It used to be illegal for homosexuals to consent as well.

>>129174320
they're not just sinful they're one of the few things God considers an abomination
and He smited a whole city a long with all its inhabitants with righteous fire for it

>>129174336
>With the latter there's almost certainly going to be some form of manipulation.
what if there isn't any manipulation? It is not uncommon for 15yr old girls to throw themselves at 23yr olds.

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>>129174424
>Children can consent, they just can't legally consent.
Which type of consent is required to insert your dick?

Fucking drongo making delineations where none exist.

>>129160987
Fuck, you're smug.
>HURR DURR I MUST CROWBAR CRITICISM INTO EVERY POST, NO MATTER HOW IRRELEVANT AND MISINTERPRETTED

>>129174237
Basically this >>129174336
When they are the same age, it is less likely to be exploitative. There is no power imbalance or trust as between a child and adult.

>>129174424
Children are not yet mentally developed, are easily manipulated, and as such do not have the capacity to make such decisions. Adults are. There is a monumental difference here.

>>129174561

Yes, the laws protect girls from themselves as much as they protect girls from creepy older men. For example, when you were a child, you probably thought you'd be able to drive the car around, and asked your parents if you could. Now you're older you're certainly glad you couldn't.

In America they say its genetic to advance their agenda, in Scandinavia they said its environmental to push their agenda.

It doesn't matter.

>>129174656
>Which type of consent is required to insert your dick?
Legal consent you fucking dipshit. If some 14 year olds wants an old man to put his cock into her ass then she's consenting to it.

Some people may be born but these days it's looking more likely to be a combination of prenatal hormonal exposure and later environmental factors influencing gene expression. Moat people are propably only born with a predispositon to homoswxuality, there's a reason that even after all these years no one has ever found a smoking gun "gay gene" or why the propensity to be gay was never eliminated from the gene pool through natural selection.
The manner in which gene expression can change within an organisms lifetime is a growing field of study know as epigenetics. "Curing" homosexuality seems unlikely as of right now but preventing it could be a very real possibility in the relatively near future.

>>129173931
>>129173931
Christ, you are thick as pigshit

>>129174869
>Legal consent you fucking dipshit
So why bother making the delineation that consent and legal consent are not the same thing if only one is relevant to the conversation?

It's asinine.

>>129174953
i see you don't have any ways to defend your stupid claims then.

there is no gay gene and no one will ever find evidence of the gay gene because it doesn't exist
so talking about it and theorizing what effects it has or how it can "manifest" is an exercise in futility
it also makes you a complete idiot

>>129174963
Because someone brought up "how's it anyone different from pedophiles being born that way".

Then someone else said "Oh but Children can't consent so it's different"

(I shouldn't have to explain this to you)

Homosexuality was illegal - they couldn't consent.

>>129174878
It is possible that the propensity to be gay is tied to other genetic traits that have allowed it to survive. Although, I agree that it is most likely environmental factors influence this as well.

>>129153020

I think homosexuality and the trans thing are traits of psychopaths. They are demons in human suits. They should put Hannibal Lektor on their rainbow flag.

>>129175150
b&

Gay guy here, I think it's patently ridiculous to say that it's simply a matter of choice. Even if it is environmentally caused, it's unlikely to be voluntary. After all, as a straight person do you think you could choose to be gay? Or that you could have been gay had you had previous bad experiences with the other sex?

All this is besides the point, however, as to whether it is harmful or not. And while I think there are elements of gay culture that are particularly deleterious to a healthy society, the same can be said for straight people. The act of sodomizing doesn't seem to be moral or immoral in itself, and to be honest I think people who think it is morally valenced are Jsut retards who can't analyze issues properly. I understand if you find homosexuality disgusting, but letting your feelings control your judgement is exactly what liberal retards do.

>>129175150

lmao she looks like ivanka trump

>>129174694
>When they are the same age, it is less likely to be exploitative. There is no power imbalance or trust as between a child and adult.
I was in the military. Near every base I have ever been stationed at there are underage girls begging to get laid. I'm not talking about 60 yr old men and 10 yr old girls. I'm talking about 15yr girls want to fuck 19 year old guys and its illegal. That is stupid.

>>129175177
>the gay gene doesn't exist

That is precisely what Richard Dawkins and by extension, I, was saying. To call a gene one thing or the other is absurd. But there is possibly a gene which, under the right conditions, can manifest itself as homosexuality. You are too thick to comprehend words, yank.

>>129174753
so protection makes it good?
Ok. alcohol is illegal for your protection. In fact, for your own protection you cannot leave your home without government escort.

>>129169232
However true your first statement might be you can't deny that for some it just seems inborn. I mean haven't you known people who were just "that way" from infancy?

>>129175150

That's just gross!

Trans-Women are hideous.

>>129153020
my thought is that your a complete idiot for posting the WRONG FUCKING FLAG!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag
>A seven-colour rainbow flag is a common symbol of the international cooperative movement. The rainbow flag has been the cooperative emblem since 1921 when the International Co-operative Congress of World Co-op Leaders met in Basel, Switzerland to identify and define the growing cooperative movement’s common values and ideals to help unite co-ops around the world.

In Essen, Germany in 1922, the International Co-operative Alliance (ICA) designed an international co-op symbol and a flag for the first "Co-operators' Day," which was held in July 1923. After some experiments with different designs, a famous French cooperator, Professor Charles Gide, suggested using the seven colours of the rainbow for the flag. He pointed out that the rainbow symbolized unity in diversity and the power of light, enlightenment and progress. The first co-op rainbow flag was completed in 1924 and was adopted as an official symbol of the international cooperative movement in 1925.

Queer use THIS one:
>popularized as a symbol of the gay community by San Francisco artist Gilbert Baker in 1978. The different colors symbolize diversity in the gay community,
The flag was originally created with eight colors, but pink and turquoise were removed for production purposes, and since 1979 it has consisted of six colored stripes. It is most commonly flown with the red stripe on top, as the colors appear in a natural rainbow.

>>129153020
Some people are born homos because their hormones are wired differently. But I'd say the majority are gay due to early upbringing/household dynamics where being homo makes sense, e.g. the more siblings you have the more chance of being a homo.

After early development it's just a matter of what gets your rocks off, and then the more you fap to gay porn the more you get conditioned into it turning you on.

There's nothing wrong really about it, because it's natural that not all members of a social group are expected to reproduce, which is a motif found in heaps of different animals (lions, bees, wolves, cows, etc.). But the more "alpha" you are, the more you have a primal urge to spread your genes, and not be a complete degenerate faggot.

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>>129175503
you clearly lack the capacity for critical thought
what YOU are describing also known as "the gay gene" does not exist
there is no gene responsible for sexual orientation

let me reiterate in more precise terms to get it through your stupid head
when people say there is no evidence of a gay gene
what they mene is that there is absolutely zero genetic components that influence homosexual preference
not that there's some magic gene that queers have and normal people don't

maybe if you took a simple biology class you would have understood that from the beggining

so just to repeat: there is no gay gene
there is ZERO evidence for any gene that is in any way responsible for homosexuality
and there will never be any evidence of any genetic component that causes humans to be "born" gay
now stop embarassing yourself and stfu

>>129175272
Criminalised homosexuality has nothing to do with consent, it was flat-out illegal. No one back then would argue they couldn't consent, that's why they were held accountable dipshit.

>>129175394
I see your point. In New Zealand the age of consent is 16 which I think is fair. There isn't necessarily anything objectionable about a 15 year old and a 19 year old having sex, but you have to draw the line somewhere for legal purposes.

>>129175823
I'm gay and I didn't masturbate to gay porn for years and years because I was so ashamed. Doesn't mean I wasn't a massive faggot. So there goes the porn theory.

Also any time someone uses the words 'alpha' I cringe. I guarantee that if you see the world in terms of alphas and betas you are an embarrassment.

>>129153020
I'm of the opinion that it's genetic. That said, I do think that certain life traumas (ie, molestation) can impact one's view of their own sexuality.

Regardless, I'm not too much of a homophobe. I'm certainly not overly fond of gays, but there's plenty of degeneracy in the straight community that's far more harmful, and that I'd rather fix first (premarital sex, divorce, adultery, etc.) than waste more time on gaybashing.

>inb4 muh STDs
Don't care. STDs are behaviorally based. I'm not going to get AIDs because I don't sleep around, I don't fuck men, and I don't fuck blacks.

>>129175927
There not being a gene, and there not be a genetic component are two very different thing.

>>129176085
Your anecdote doesn't dismiss the porn theory, nobody claimed all homosexuality is due to pornography. I think you realize that too.

>>129176133
why do self proclaimed homophobes believe homosexuality is genetic?

is liberal propoganda this strong?
about 90% of the answers in this thread is
>it's genetic
where are you guys getting this info?
science isn't any closer to finding the imaginary gay gene than they were 50 years ago

>>129176418
>thinking there is a single gene responsible
You still don't fucking get it.

>>129176316
its a phrase
what it means is that there is zero evidence for any genetic cause for homosexuality
which there isn't

>>129175954
You still don't fucking get it.

>>129176489
>thinking that homosexuality is in any way related to genetics or any physical factors at all
kys
you're too stupid to reproduce

>>129176582
Agreed.

>>129153020
No one is born homosexual. Nature is perverted by evil. Homosexuals go to Hell.

>>129176582
>>129176709
Feel free to revel in your ignorance. I won't stop you.

>>129176820
Do you have reason for thinking it's evil? Or just religious indoctrination?

>>129153020
Born Homosexual or Gender is Fluid.
Pick One

>>129153020

>I feel like sexuality is something mostly shaped by your life experiences.
Basically this, yeah.

>>129176844
I'd say the same to you however you've already proved your ignorance, stupidity and your ineptitude to comprehend what you're reading.

>>129176935
So you could have been gay had you had different experiences? Do you think someone could turn you gay?

>>129176972

My experiences have turned me gay senpai

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>>129176844
when science provides one ONE (1) [0+1=1] *SHRED* of evidence for homosexuality being even REMOTELY caused by genetic components
than MAYBE you'll have an argument

but until than you're a complete imbecile that we will laugh at because you rely on emotions and political posturings rather than observible evidence

BTW, Auckland fag?

>>129177022
care to point any specific instances you believe are responsible for making you gay?

>>129153020
It's probably caused by a virus or parasite desu senpai. Toxoplasmosis, a parasite that infests cats, is known to cause attraction to... cats. There are also several extremely remote tribes that had no conception of homosexual activity before being contacted by anthropologists, because nobody in their tribe had ever participated in such acts.

>>129177279
Fuck I'm tired. When toxoplasmosis infects humans, it causes attraction to cats. Infected people are much more likely to own a cat, infested rats and mice lose their fear of cats and actively seek them out.

>>129177279
You might actually be retarded. You have zero evidence, or even rudimentary scientific udnerstanding, and make wild presumptions about I got shout know nothing about. You must be a liberal.

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>>129163454
They have no chance.

>>129177043
I never claimed it was solely genetic. More than likely it is a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Current evidence suggests that prenatal environment in the womb has a lot of influence too but you seem adamant that this is not the case either.

>>129177069
Wellington.

>>129177727
ill admit that physical environmental factors (such as prenatal) is much more scientifically reasonable than genetic factors (which there are none)
but since there is no physical differences between the brain of a gay man and that of a straight man that's pretty preposterous as well

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>Be me at 14
>Everything with a penis makes me puke
>Few years later after watching porn
>Well futa isn't so bad
>Few years later
>2D Traps
>While later 3D Traps

Porn and fetisising this shit does most certainly have an effect.

>>129177727
and FYI if there's no physical differences that can be noticed in the brain for an abnormal behavior than by default the explanation for said behavior is purely pyschological

>>129178112
this is why i stay clear of futa...
plus the fact that penises disgust me

i think all my years of watching tentacle hentai is making me a sadist though

>>129153020
Bullshit, pairs of twins can have different sexual orientations so it's not genetic. Homosexuality is a mental illness developed at an early age.

>>129178213
None of what you said is supported by science. http://brainblogger com/2015/05/14/homosexuality-in-the-brain/ You are trying to reconcile reality with your religious beliefs, but they are simply incompatible in this case.

>>129170616

Trust me, there are plenty of atheists who hate fags. I know several myself.

>>129169597
The reason is because THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE WATER TURNING THE FREAKING FROGS GAY

>>129153020
My cousin is a fag. Even when growing up with him there was always something off, I could have easily confused it with some kind of social disorder. which is nearly right on both cases as he also had small black outs in his teens. See even talking to the guy there was something off and slightly feminine and not to the gulping down cocks degree. Closeted would be an accurate word and I would see a toe poke out every few sec seconds. He had experience with some girls experimenting but was never into it only confusing himself. When he came out nobody was surprised and his mom was heart broken.

I never once seen him with a guy either. So in my case my cousin had more of a mental homosexuality.

Nobody is gay, neither anybody is straight. You might be 0.01% gay but you would still bang some random gay model just to try it out and you might discover that sexuality is actually a shit.

Well, I love girl's booties and titties, but I wouldn't mind if a handsome guy wanted to kiss me. I tried it out and I think kissing gals is the same as kissing guys. It's 2017, go kiss a man if you haven't.

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>>129178112
Same shit m8. In my youth i had no internet, i considered myself a damn straight both psychologically and biologically and the sight of dick on potential partner disgusted me. It took five years of my life to catch myself fantacizing about being on receving end of sex with futa. Thing that is kinda against my beliefs and understanding of myself as a man. In that conflicted mood i was casually reading some w40k article about how slaaneshi cults get your ass. It kinda made me shiver - i had a basic idea about globalist jewery at this point. So i attempted to restrict myself from futa porn at first. But pics with normal girls felt kinda blank. So i decided to go full Tchaikovsky (if the only thing i can jerk off is degenerate shit, then i should not jerk off at all). And you know... After several weeks i noticed that my supressed urges transformed into the romantic wish for the love of normal, nice girl. I started noticing them in public transport and around, started talking with them, even flirting carefully.
I had to loose five best fucking years of my life to realise that our lawmakers were not exactly wrong about banning gay propoganda, as the proof that any person CAN become a degenerate given the conditions.

gayfag here, homosexuality is not natural. How do I know this? Well I have a straight boi fetish, and I have "converted" 3 guys already. I'd argue that everyone is gay actually, they just hide it better.

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>>129158474
Traps aren't gay though.

>>129171584
you can train yourself gay with porn, basically

>>129153020
If one is born a faggot, then they are, from an evolutionary standpoint, defective. It is a teleological fallacy to assume evolution will necessarily be beneficial, as that defeats the purpose of the "random mutations" point.
However, when one is incapable, by definition of homosexuality, to produce offspring with the opposite sex (as there is no urge to do so), then one will never pass down their genetic lineage. However, that assumes that there is just "one" gay gene, which is not the case (there is no one "race gene", yet race exists). It can be claimed that there is a proportion of the population that might as well be born without the desire to create children with the opposite sex (or, a faggot). That is IF such evidence exists.
The other explanation is that through the acceptance and indoctrination of LGBT and the shift of the Overton window, many youth are subject to psychological abuse and are pushed to habits they never break. (i.e. faggotry). Therefore, they absolve themselves of any agency and claim that they were "born" with no urge to procreate with the opposite sex. This is, from an evolutionary standpoint, a great delusion and borderline psychotic. It is as if I willingly renounce females, then claim I was born to never have those urges. I am mentally ill and fooling myself if I make such claims.
So it is either a biological dead end/useless to the advancement of our bloodline, or psychotic faggots.

>>129153020
It's an acquired condition. You're not born with any sexual preference. That's what puberty is for.
Usually, discovering sexuality starts with your own sex and same sex peers until puberty gains momentum and you start realising that "+ & +" or "- & -" don't create a potential for attraction (just like electricity). Something doesn't add up and the normal alignment happens -- also girls start growing boobs.
In some cases the social environment and influence on the teenager persuades him or her that this is "normal" or a form of self-fulfillment, hence the buttfucking or pearl-diving ensues and so does the butthurt.

life is suffering.

Either I can post on /pol/ with narcissistic anons insufferably angry that the world doesn't revolve around them or I can post on /lgbt/ which is overrun by horribly depressed mentally ill trainwreck trannies.

[spoiler]gonna stay on /pol/ because seriously, fuck that.[/spoiler]

Homosexuality is a fetish that is developed during childhood.

no, if there was a "homosexual gene" that was recessive it would have been bred out of existence centuries ago (for obvious reasons)

sex in general is a choice, btw. I am straight but I don't want to screw every female I see.

>>129184982

You're a fucking retard, congrats.

>>129153020
Homosexuality is a mental problem.

Faggots needs to be in a special camp to get their problems resolved, maybe by the Church. They were great in keeping faggots down during thousands of years

>>129153020
Probably more nurture than nature. Some guys have a higher tendency to become gay but if their environment is stable they might be able to surpress it

Sexual deprivation and extreme sexual repression may also be a cause. Just take a look at catholic priests, Iranian truck drivers or Afghans and Pakis with their bachi baza boys

>>129185327

Great rebuttal, faglord.

How is it not a fetish?

To suggest that being gay is genetic is to open the door for one's sexuality to feature 'a genetic predisposition to fap to anime, piss on people and touch specific fabrics'.

I don't think I need to say more.

>>129153020
A "gay gene" has been identified, but is incredibly rare. What I read said that 1-2% of homosexuals possess this gene; meaning that sexual preference is almost entirely constructed by experience (as far as we currently understand.)

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>>129153020

>>129153020
Your gay,straight,or bi from birth from what I have seen.

>>129153020
if you're not homophobic, you're not redpilled

sodomy is something disordered heterosexuals choose. there isn't even such a thing as homosexuality, or any other sexuality. there are only heterosexuals, and disordered heterosexuals.

sodomy harms your body, your spirit, your mind, your society, and your family.

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>>129153020
What causes it doesn't matter, only what we do with them after the the American Reich is declared.

>>129186036
dont' forget jail inmates

>>129153020
I'm a half fag and from an evolutionary standpoint,I'd say it's defective. Sex exists for reproduction. Homosexuality doesn't allow for that.

>>129153020
It's a form of retardation.
Can they help it? No.
Do we mock them mercilessly for this. Hell fucking yes.

On the other hand, now that I am thinking about it, I never met a faggot, who wasn't raped during his childhood.

>>129153020
I'm sure that a dramatically high % of fags having been sexually abused as children by other fags has absolutely nothing to do with it :^)

>>129153020
When you fuck someone in the ass, their shit seeps into your dick... into your mind... you become shit.

>>129161977
Genetics have a more far reaching effect, but not for the reason people would think. Genetics effect what happens to you as you grow up. So genetics that don't have anything to do with biological sex or the supposed "re-wiring" of a gay persons brain still effect whether they turn out gay or not.
For example someone who is genetically thin and young looking might be statistically more inclined to be gay.
We don't know because they've never studied it of course.

>>129187637
Provide scientific backing for that claim faggot

Masters and Johnson had identified as many as 10 different types of gays - not gender, but distinctions. Its a complex question, where generalizations don't work. It also makes this thread question invalid.

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>>129175823
>and then the more you fap to gay porn the more you get conditioned into it turning you on.

completely false

>>129153020
Both. Considering how animals can be gay and they don't have gay cultures, genes can result in born gays.
Then we have the whole malleable brain thing which is how I ended up fapping to traps. Porn with hot girl wearing leather -> Porn with leather wearing girl having anal sex -> Now exclusively fapping to trap porn for that delicious sodomy.