If guns don't kill people, the person shooting the gun does...

That's easy. Drugs aren't a right.

>>129049242
Guns are a right for militias that people are highly in favor of deregulating so the individual can purchase them. I'm totally okay with this so long as they go through the proper channels but the logic for the extension of this right that many people use can also be attributed to drugs

>>129048320
Guns don't make your brain a poteto

>>129049690
Without proper training and education they very easily can, same as with drugs.
This is an American question so only those with an American quality or above education should reply, go deal with your own country's mess thanks.

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>>129049487

>>129048320
>drugs
Addictive, and some can work on their own through contact or in the case of meth just buy being in the same area as the lab. a gun setting unloaded(as it would be if not used) can do nothing to anyone, even if touched, but some drugs can permeate the skin
also the creation of meth is hazardous

>>129049985
Analogy is one of the lowest forms of argument, especially when regarding dated linguistics.

The drugs that kill people are addictive

Weed however should be legalized as long as alcohol is

>>129050160
Good points but you're talking about the production of drugs as opposed to the usage.

Addictions, so what? Proper education combats this just like proper education would combat gun mishaps.

>>129048320
>I'm trying to understand conservative logic here.
it's the title. conservatives are conservative in their values. meaning however things currently are is how they should stay.
the law of the nation says guns are legal and drugs are illegal, daddy agrees, so a conservative will agree.

conservatives in countries with banned guns are the same, why unban guns when the law says ban guns and daddy says ban guns?

what im saying is conservatives are daddy lovers.

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>>129050435
"Proper education" doesn't cure addiction. You can't teach someone to stop having a mental illness.

Guns and drugs are not comparable in the slightest. Guns have no physiological effect on the user. This is ridiculous.

>>129051059
>"Proper education" doesn't cure addiction
It stops it from happening. Just like proper education stops people from having unhealthy lifestyles in other areas such as diet or exercise. There are no laws against not exercising a certain amount of times per week, the onus is on the individual to take care of themselves, and rightfully so.

If you don't educate someone on proper gun usage its very easy for them to invoke deafness on themselves.

>>129051059
>Guns have no physiological effect on the user.
i was going to ask you if you've ever used a gun but you're a bong so the answer is obvious.
there is definitely a physiological response to using a gun. you dont have to inject something to alter your brain chemistry. maybe you'll feel it with using a knife?
a good analogy is gambling which is a widespread non-chemical addiction

>>129049487

People are the militia you fuckface.

>deregulating

Well regulated has nothing to do with regulations.

>>129051554
I was going to bring this up but I had a feeling someone would get autismal about the idea of non narcotic addictions, thanks for mentioning it.

>>129050209
Bullshit

>>129051779
im fairly certain that the NRAs community of rabid regular folks loyalists that go out of there way donating time effort and money far beyond any other political group can manage to garner is down to addictive behavior. the adrenaline of gun use and/or the self-empowerment of gun ownership.

>>129048320
>If guns don't kill people, the person shooting the gun does... then why do we (America) say that drugs kill people? Shouldn't it be the person doing the drugs?
I agree OP.
Let the fools poison themselves to death!
Let them be subverted by drugs rotting their minds!

Drugs =/= Guns you fool. Stop drawing logical fallacies.

>>129049487
Guns are a right for the people so that they are able to form militias to fight any and all enemies of the nation, foreign or domestic.
Basically they are allowed so that we are able to have a civil war since both sides are generally going to see the other as the enemy of the nation.
Don't like it? Don't live in the free world with free men who are free to defend themselves and their way of life.

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>>129052478
btw, the idea of gun ownership being an addiction (one not talked about or dealt with in any way) shows itself in the statistics.

>>129049487
>...the right OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
It doesn't say the right for militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It's a compound sentence that says that a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state + people have the right to keep and bear arms.
So, to start it off:
SHALL

>>129052956
>gun ownership being an addiction
Again, a gun is not a drug.

One gives you the ability to kill others.
Drugs can only kill yourself.
The only reason why people take them is to escape from reality.

Guns do not make you escape reality. It does not have that issue.
Unless you shoot yourself in the head.

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>>129050209
arguments only work when the people involved approach the issue with honesty and moral integrity. seeing as communists lack these, bullets are a better form of communication

>>129051059
>Guns have no physiological effect on the user.
/thread.

>>129048320

I'm against the drug war. It does nothing. At all. If you want drugs you can get drugs. Hell I can get anything I want right now, anything, ( I don't ), and I don't even hardly know anyone in my town.

The illegality makes the thing a special item. Or a rarity. Rare items are valuable. These valuable items give rise to cartels, crime, and death. Children are getting their throats slashed because of this shit.

Drugs that are legal, are no longer a special item or rare, and thus they loose their special black market value. And the cartels and even the small time gangs vanish. They suddenly have nothing to peddle.

The DRUG WAR kills people. The illegality of drugs kills people. Drugs themselves? Don't do anything. As you say.

>>129049985
>>129051754
>>129052875
>>129053060
>2nd amendment semantic arguments
so what constitutes "arms"? why does the FBI come knocking on your door if you buy ingredients to make a bomb?

>>129051554
It doesn't physically (chemically) alter the brain.
If things that altered our psychology without physically altering it were banned, we'd literally wouldn't have any education system.

Outside influences are fair game.
Chemical modification is not.

>>129049960 Understandable,have a good day.

>>129048320
Just take a look at all the crime and violence that occurs over illegal substances, as well as how easily they are smuggled and traded. Banning guns would be just as effective as banning drugs

>>129053535
>I'm against the drug war. It does nothing.
It does. It severely impedes on a person's ability to get drugs.
It's not perfect, but it does have an effect.
It's a degree of immunization from the "poison" (being drugs).

Conservatives are hypocrites on individual rights and libertarians are retards on immigration. But at least they're not liberal fucktards

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Guns should really only be used for hunting and military

"Self defence" wouldn't be necessary if your country didn't have so many chimp outs

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>>129051754

>regulated has nothing to do with regulations

>>129053818
We should ban niggers. That would drastically reduce crime.

>>129053650
>If things that altered our psychology without physically altering it were banned, we'd literally wouldn't have any education system.
im embarrassed to have the same flag as you.

see: gambling

Frankly I don't disagree with the OP. If people want to poison themselves, let'em.

It's all about personal responsibility. Besides, making shit like heroin, cocaine, pot, LSD or whatever legal doesn't necessarily mean making it available for retail stores to sell, it just means sending less people to our overcrowded prison system for the taxpayer to foot the bill for.

>>129053960
Gambling is not banned for psychological reasons.
It's banned for the financial impact it has on those people.

>>129048320
Because there's not really a way to "responsibly" use a variety of drugs. You can't responsibly sell or use heroin for example. With guns you can definitely sell and use them responsibility with no harm to yourself or others.

Plus we've already seen with all the EU terror attacks over the last year or so that people will find a way to commit violence against their fellow man whether or not they have guns. Already what, 5 Trucks of Peace? multiple knife killings?

>>129054132
>It's banned for the financial impact it has on those people.
so you're saying it has no physiological impact? that gambling addiction is a myth?

>>129054556
I'm saying it has a huge psychological impact. But that's not the policy purpose for the gambling restrictions we attempt to enforce... poorly.

>>129054556
The main distinction here is the chemical alteration.

It's ideological cement in a pill, with no influence by the users will. It's forced into their brain.
Gambling and gun psychological impact goes through the will judgement of users.

The "will" here is important. Drugs restrict your will to it's bidding. Guns and Gambling - it's much harder for it to influence the will.

>>129054966
ok so you're saying gambling addiction is real but we shouldnt do anything about it.
gun addiction is real but we shouldnt do anything about it.
drug addiction is real and we should do something about it.
???

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>>129053568
Different people have different opinions on how the law should be applied Mr. Ausposter

>>129055320
>Drugs restrict your will to it's bidding.
drugs arent magic.
you get as much choice to take or not take drugs as you do to gamble or not gamble.

>>129048320

bc you are gay

>>129055917
You don't get it.
It LITERALLY alters the brain.
Guns and gambling does not.
Guns and gambling have to go through many processes in order to alter the brain at all - and still only to insignificant effects.

Chemicals literally change the brain completely once you take them.

>>129055324
see >>129055320
The "will" is important here. Do you understand what that means?
Guns and Gambling are open to your will.
Chemicals impedes on your will. They overcome your will and cement your mind.

>>129048320
Idk buddy, when was the last time you picked up a gun and got addicted to doing so.

>>129048320
Drugs are way easier to get for kids than a gun is. That's one obvious reason. Drugs don't have any upside unless people use them for legit medical reasons, but guns have plenty of upsides.

Drugs aren't in the second amendment either

>>129048320
It semantics by both sides, its not worth thinking about

>>129054511
>Plus we've already seen with all the EU terror attacks over the last year or so that people will find a way to commit violence against their fellow man whether or not they have guns. Already what, 5 Trucks of Peace? multiple knife killings?
the bodycount of terrorism WORLDWIDE in 2017 (including the massive attacks in muslim countries that the news ignores) is around the same bodycount as just the US POLICE in 2017 and US police killings are a drop in the bucket compared to just gun related deaths.

>>129056475
It was far easier for me to get weed before I turned 21 than alcohol, probably because since it was illegal nobody cared about my age

>>129056332
It takes your will power to intiiate the usage of drugs just as it does guns and gambling
Once you've done any 3 long enough addiction overrides your willpower.
Look at people who are addicted to porn/jacking off.

>>129056589
No its not you literal faggot. A gun can't get your daughter wasted to the point she passes out and gets raped

>>129048320
you're completely correct.
the drug user is responsible for their wellbeing, just as a gunman is responsible for his actions.

notice nobody has provided a proper response because you're completely logical.

>>129056332
>Guns and gambling does not.
please stop talking about brain chemistry like you know what you're on about.

>>129056589
Fuck off.

It is good food for thought. Even if the OP is a logical fallacy.
There is a massive distinction between guns/gambling and chemicals with regards to how they psychologically impact the brain.
Guns/gambling is like a breeze shifting sand over a field.
Chemicals are like a giant tornado.

Do Guns have addictive chemicals in them ?

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>>129048320
Simple logic famalam.

Guns: Human action to pull the trigger
External effect = bullet being fired and killing a human

Drugs: Human action to consume said drugs
Internal effect = drugs cause the body to shut down/over react/ do funky shit to cause death

>>129056814
That's my point lol. Drugs are super easy to get which is why they aren't legal. Do you honestly think it would be ok for people to be walking around blasted on legal coke?

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>>129048320
Prohibition is a massive failure. The drug war is a farce. Drugs should absolutely be legal. Taxes on marijuana alone have been insane.
Having the ability to buy unadulterated drugs from a pharmacist with info on them is preferable.

>>129048320
Drugs have negative outcomes besides death.

Read up on the Opium Wars to understand why legalization is terrible.

>>129056969
dopamine and serotonin

>>129049487
>Guns are a right for militias
>He doesn't realize militia= literally every adult citizen not already in the military
Moron

>>129057071
As opposed to them walking around on illegal coke? What's the difference?

yeah probably dude weed

>>129057071
What I meant by that is them being legal would lead to stricter regulation which would make it harder for people to get through shady methods.

>>129056869

But a gun can be pointed at your daughter as she is raped at gunpoint.

Also why was your daughter wasted in the first place? Ah right because she made a conscious choice to go out and drink or do drugs.

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>>129053906
Partially true except we have a healthy mistrust of government (some of us do, anyway). That mistrust was spelled out in the constitution. Allowing the police a monopoly on force is distasteful to us.

>>129049242
>right

nothing is a "right" by nature you moron

>>129056911
Well then explain how I'm wrong.
1. Do you even know what a will is, why it is integral to distinguishing the differences between guns/gambling and chemical influences on the brain?
2. Do you even know how guns/gambling affects the brain?
3. Do you know how chemicals affect the brain?


My logic seems justified. I'd need credible evidence to suggest that guns/gambling affects the brain just as much as chemicals.
Both isnide the mind affect the mind by altering chemical patterns of the mind. But one has to go through several processes (eyes, ears, knowledge, judgement, etc). The other literally chemically alters the mind as it's intended purpose.

>>129056869
Found the guy who has never hit his daughter in the head hard with a gun.

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>>129056988
this is a good point

when a person uses a drug, at a certain stage their actions become out of their control. however a gunman is always in control of his actions.

therefore, the drug user is responsible to a degree, but the effect of the drug, which the user is NOT control off, has the leathal consequence.

>>129048320
CUZ DRUGS ARE FOR FAGS

>>129057197
Opiates are legal.

Have you never been to a pharmacy?

>>129053288
Again it doesn't need to be a drug to be addicting and to rewire your brain chemistry.

>>129048320
guns dont cause addiction. drugs alter the state of mind chemically and cause people to act in irrational manner that presumably they wouldnt act if they werent on drugs.

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>>129048320
Sure.

>>129057501
>Allowing the police a monopoly on force is distasteful to us.
dear american, the police are not answerable to the federal government, they're answerable to the local government which in a democracy is directed by the local community.

>>129048320
1. Drugs shouldn't be banned
2. Guns don't chemically rewire your brain to the same extent as drugs

>>129048320
>>129056988
>>129057785

>>129053725
What a good guy Brazil was here

>>129057126
Again, an ignorant thing to say.
Chemicals are like a cemented ideology.
That can be extremely detrimental to the function of a society... or it can be beneficial (see "presciption medication" which alter the mind 'positively).

On the one hand the influence of will is an issue.
But with regards to prescription meds, this influence on the will is allowable as it is thoroughly checked by medical experts so that they positively impact our society.

Illicit drugs negatively impact our society.
Weed and alcohol are on the ropes. The influence is both negative and positive.
It can damage part of your function in society, but it can also make you gain perspective on the intrinsic needs of our lives - such as philosophical perspective, social enjoyment.
The harsher illicit substances impede too much though.

>>129053842
yeah tell that to the millions of people who die from drug overdose or the ones dead from being at the wrong place and wrong time. Look at canada that legalized heroin. You know what happened? drug abuse and rates went significantly down. The amount of users in canada did increase but as time went it dropped and now they reach numbers record low.

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>>129048320

Drugs are addictive, however, drug dealers kill people. Thats why Duterte Harry kills drug dealers. It stops drug related deaths.

You cant kill murderers until they have done it, pretty much.

>>129057608
yes, there are very specific things that are rights by nature, namely life, liberty, and property. They're called "natural rights" for a reason.

>>129057857
>Opiates are legal.
Not for recreational use, and only with a prescription from a regulated trade; A doctor.

>Have you never been to a pharmacy?
What does that have to do with the legal status of narcotics? Which are by definition illegal.

>>129057501
Our police all wear body cameras now so evidence is clear and concrete. I just wish they would stop letting so many shitskins into my city

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>>129048320
>>129058445

Also, if you want conservative logic you should go ask Breitbart or something, were not conservatives. We hate them as much as we hate you. You must be lost.

sage

>>129057872
I said the importance is the direct influence of will.
Not the overall impact.

The influence is direct, demanding with chemicals.
That's why they're an issue.

People underestimate the influence of coffee and sugar on western society for example.

>>129053842
How severely is "severely"?

I'd say it doesn't impede ability severely enough myself, what with all the drugs and whatnot.

Read how opium contributed to the downfall of China.

>>129048320
There is no constitutional right to drugs.

>>129057126
>That picture

I fucking hate my life.
>Born to degenerate hippie parents
>Father in prison first 4 years of my life
>move to california because thats where the work is
>father has midlife crisis, returns to the drink, and leaves with savings to go buy buy a biker bar in portland fucking oregan
>Dont care, family now poorer than shit but im a clever cunt with great grades who graduates high school early so w/e
>Crippling guilt for my mother having to constantly borrow and work three jobs to keep living in expensive ass wine country.
>Fast forward 7 years, pay 8/10ths of my paycheck for rent in a bedroom. Mother lives in some garage downtown, sister literal prostitute who is in and out of jail, lost contact with both of them.
>As i got older i realized the real terror of a father that leaves with all the money when youre young is that he never teaches you any trade worthy skills or gives you that crucial opening chance at his job.
>The wit and intelligence that got me out of highschool early and into college now gets me nothing except bitterness.
>cant afford to finish college
>all my poor friends have grown into psuedo-communists because they cant accept that we were all just given a shit hand at life but would rather be childish cucks who want to tear down the system even though they never would actively attempt anything dangerous in their cucky lifes.
>No savings, no skills, no chance at having enough to finish college, apparently developing daddy issues as i age.
>Ill never be happy, ill die mediocre and poor and in california.
>That fucking picture

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>>129058712

This faggot OP is going to be really asshurt when Trump puts in national concealed carry with expanded self defense rights. Going to be feral pavement apes put down left and right with no charges.

>>129058567
>This guy's never been to a pharmacy

NEET opinions aren't valid.

>>129058304
>1. Drugs shouldn't be banned
Justify this in the context of the Opium Wars.

Explain how defacto legal opium was a benefit over the state of unlawful enforcement that followed.
Feel free to explain how total not just defacto legalization would have made things better.

>>129057660
>2. Do you even know how guns/gambling affects the brain?
>3. Do you know how chemicals affect the brain?
yes and here's why you're full retard. they both do the exact same thing. addictive drugs and addictive behaviors take advantage of the exact same chemical pathways in the brain, they're identical in function. which is why professionals use the term "addictive personality" because generally the same people who would end up addicted to one thing would just as easily be addicted to any other and these types of people often do just that, trading in one addiction for another.

>1. Do you even know what a will is
aristotle, please.

>>129058765
git gud

>>129058712
>double think is still alright cuz muh constitution

>>129058416
>You know what happened? drug abuse and rates went significantly down.
Did it really?

Or was that another biased stat?
Because you're taking away the negative conditioning element of legal restrictions there. People will stop feeling like it's bad when you make it legal.

Furthermore, the time of observation is far too small to make an accurate picture of what is really going on. For now it may look good, but I wonder what will happen decades from now.

(probably nothing will happen, we'll all be dead from war :^) )

The real reason is because tweakers, crackheads, etc are really fucking annoying and fuck up entire communities with their bullshit "disease"

>>129058567
only schedule 1 is illegal.

>>129048320
Drugs are a mind altering addictive substance.

>>129058913
I'm asking what a pharmacy has to do with narcotics.

>>129048320
All drugs should be legal and taxed.

Let the junkies die and thin the genetic pool.

Plus all the tax revenue could send generations to school for free / teachers / police funding and less crime ( god forbid we actually high-five them without their hand on their gun)

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>>129058765

Jews fault, National Socialism is the only way. We just need to reach critical mass in public awareness, and they will take mass physical action to resolve the problems, regardless of any complaints from the anti-white opposition.

>>129059144
>People will stop feeling like it's bad when you make it legal.
Yeah for sure, that's why people drink themselves to death shortly after turning 21.

>>129058695
see >>129059144

I would think it's a drastic conditioning tool and a barrier to the purchasing of drugs.
It takes a lot to break bad and actually break the law in order to make the purchase.

That's a lot of boundaries to cross.

Then there's the impact it has on the dealers ability to be visible in order to sell it. They can't exactly open a corner store when it is illegal.

>>129048320
>Shouldn't the GOP be promoting deregulations on drugs the way they promote deregulations on guns?

Yes, actually but the Reps don't actually want smaller government so much as a return to the "good old days"
>>129051059
Proper education actually prevents addiction. Someone who takes a lot of painkillers might back off if they know it can lead to opioid addiction.Someone who knows how addictive cocaine is might not take it at all if they knew about the side effects.

>>129048320
All drugs should be legalized. With that being said, the analogy is shitty

>>129059514
>that's why people drink themselves to death shortly after turning 21
Do you ever go to red light districts?
I know many that have ended up in hospital from alcohol poisoning. Of course, drinking age is 18 here... so it might be different here.

>>129059399
So is shooting guns

>>129058765

>psuedo-communists because they cant accept that we were all just given a shit hand at life but

But you're all in commiefornia, why isn't your life a paradise?

You should have gotten out of there instead of being a servant to liberal elites. Live anywhere rural, get a trade or certification and find local people to pay your for it at a fifth of your current cost of living (that's your paycheck, minus the cost of socialism, minus the hyper inflated costs of everything due to the burden of socialism on everyone around you)

How do I know all this? I got the fuck out of california and saw the light after the tunnel.

>>129048320
drugs are physically addicting

>>129059508
>When a leaf tells a porn addicted commiefag to overturn the jewish regime and rise to national socialism.

God bless /pol/

>>129059275
and guns never fucked up any communities.

>>129059684
We need to test the legalization of drugs.

I disagree with abolishing laws everywhere.
I heard the netherlands is winding back on it's weed legalization to a degree.

>>129048320
Guns can be used for protection. This includes protection from other people, your own government and enemy troops during muh gorilla warfare.
Drugs only exist for hedonistic reasons and they are damaging for health of the individual as well as public finances.
Remove state-funded health care and I'll be okay with druggies destroying their health.

>>129048320
Because evangelicals are retarded. The drugs arent responsible, the people are.
>Shouldn't the GOP be promoting deregulations on drugs the way they promote deregulations on guns?
Yes.

>>129048320
>I'm trying to understand conservative logic here
Deterrence. Very simple concept.

Do you want drug use to be socially acceptable? Do you realize you'll have kids one day that may be influenced by this (assuming you're not a cuck)

>>129048320
>then why do we (America) say that drugs kill people
They don't.
>The war on drugs kills people
>The drug trade kills people
>Abuse of drugs kill people
>Accidents with drug combinations kill people
>combining alcohol abuse with antidepressants kills people

In the 80's there was the crack baby scare but really the modern drug problem in America is a result of big pharma pushing unsafe shit, middle class people doctor-shopping for painkillers, and to a lesser extend brown people living in poverty abusing whatever substance they can get a hold of (purple drank, gas huffing, or the glass pipe).

No one actually says "Drugs kill people" or "drugs are bad" unless your target audience are children in the 4th grade.

>>129059880
Portugal rolled back their criminal punishments for Heroin and heroin deaths and aids infection is down significantly. Most drugs deaths are from legal drugs anyway. If anything, legalize drugs and ban (((pfizer))) and (((bayer))).

>>129058765
You are a smart boy, a precious boy, a beautiful boy.

Stop being a faggot and move. The only person holding you back is yourself.

>>129049487
Every male of fighting age is legally defined to be part of the militia in the US.

People who pursue this definition are essentially saying they don't want women to have the right to own firearms.

>>129058951
I'm not well-read on the Opium wars, but didn't they involve a shit ton more than just Opium? Wasn't that just a trade war over all kinds of goods and crops?

The issue, as far as I understood, was China was selling a bunch of shit to everyone else, but economically closed off itself, leading to trade imbalances. What am I missing there?

>>129048320
Drugs are more like std's than guns. Yes, their victims should know better and have made better choices, but drugs and std's impact on society is so great that we should at least do the bare minimum in keeping them in check. With drugs, this means punishing the fools who use them so irresponsibly that they get noticed by our legal system.

>>129059751
Only in the most wide understanding of human action and interaction which causes the brain to react.

What is clearly being talked about is the physical change that happens because of the drug consumed.

If you were administered the drug while asleep or unconscious it would have an effect on your body. If someone placed a firearm in your hand while you were sleeping it would cause a change in the chemical makeup of your brain and CNS, to a degree that with some drugs you can literally die from withdraw.

Don't be a stupid pedantic shit and actually join the conversation as an adult.

>>129059961
One can be used to revolt against tyrranic politicians.
The other is a drug.

... actually, drugs can also cause revolts to a degree if another country manufactures a drug to destabilise another country.
I heard the chinese and vietnamese are good with supplying meth to our countries. Opium war?

>>129058513
A right means something that no one has the power to take away from you idiot. If life and liberty we're natural rights then no one would be able to kill or force anyone to do shit

>>129059765
>Move to a rural local
>with no trade skill to speak of
I could steal the jobs from...16 year old girls? I spend a lot of my off time in the country now, and there just isnt any work if you cant work machinery.
>Get a trade or certificate
No money, no training

>>129048320
>So why are drugs banned but guns aren't?

Money, why would you buy Schlomo's MediCorp 'Pain-B(((elly)))-Away if you could grow it for free in your backyard.

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>>129048320
You do know guns actually save more people in self defense than they kill,and banning them would make more people die, right? Of course you don't know that because you're just a virtue signaling cunt :)
>90lb woman wakes up in the middle of the night
>finds 300lb rapist in her kitchen
>police are 15 minutes away
How does she defend herself? I don't care if she's a krav maga expert , the sheer weight of someone who weighs 200+ pounds more than would be impossible to overcome. Know what he couldnt overcome though? A 12 ga shotgun filled with buckshot being shot into his chest and face.
>inb4 personal attack ;)
Know what would cut crime dramatically? Banning black men. Pic very related!

>>129060290
>no money, no training

You fucking moron. Why should I even bother to tell you that most trade programs give you a job while training you?

But you are a smart boy, a precious boy, a beautiful boy.

>>129060197
The Opium wars are a bad example. the British were shilling opium in such a way that they were intentionally creating dependency among the populace so theyd be easier to control.

>>129058765
get a part time job bro

>>129060125
>ban (((pfizer))) and (((bayer))).
at the very least they need regulatory unmasking to protect consumers from accidentally getting caught up in their street pusher shit
also reworking patent law to stop incentivizing their """"creativity""""

>>129049690
>>129050160
the problem is dosage and "getting high"
if you are using drugs as a form of therapy
it shouldn't be an issue.

ex. therapeutic properties of mxxx and lxd.
mxxx brings floods the system with oxytocin
and serotonin bringing on a feeling of love.
if someone is feeling detached from society
or has undergone trauma it does indeed
repair these issues. Mxxx was originally
produced for couples therapy because
it removes blocks and gets people to speak
truthfully about issues or trauma without
bringing on negative feelings while explaining
trauma.
lxd on the other hand can distract the subjects
mind to break a cycle of negative thought patterns.
without adequate training or knowledge on proper
use both can be bad but in a controlled environment
results are more positive than normal psychotherapy.

mxxx also helps people with autism.

>>129060125
You do realise that for several hundreds of years it was legal to use all these drugs?
These prohibitions didn't simply come from no where. The drug abuse appeared to cause the prohibition.

When the social circumstances are right, prohibition is unnecessary. But when they are wrong, they cause the installment of prohibition.
The "failure of prohibition" is a fucking cultural marxist maymay.

The evidence is there, he is just suppressing it.

Listen, hugbox redditors. Not everyone who disagrees with you is deep into psyops or a shill. Some people just disagree. For instance, me.

Rural white voter here. Voting for Trump was possibly the biggest mistake of my life. Probably the worst president we've had in the last 500 years. We must impeach him now and lock up his most fervent supporters. The travel ban is racist and the white house is literally full of islamophobic texts and art. Hate can only be defeated by destroying it from the top down.

On top of his blatant racism, now he is literally destroying the planet earth and ruining young and promising female entertainers' lives. What about our children? Do the right thing, fellow rural white voters. Call your senator or congressman and set things right.

>>129059966
>In the 80's there was the crack baby scare but really the modern drug problem in America is a result of big pharma
Their is still a crack baby problem. It's just that the media will never blame niggers for their actions so the scare went away while the instances of mothers consuming narcotics while pregnant continues.

Most black mothers don't know that they shouldn't consume any alcohol while pregnant.

The big bad evil corporation isn't the problem. It's still street dealers.

>>129060760
Is this copypasta?

>>129048320
We do, the person selling the drugs kills people.

That's why we're building the Wall.

>>129048320
>Shouldn't the GOP be promoting deregulations on drugs the way they promote deregulations on guns?
One would think the two would go hand in hand, but neither the GOP nor the Democrats are concerned with consistency or sensibility for that matter. Party dogma above all, at least for the public

>>129048320
they should legalize and sell drugs. the tax dollars would build 40 walls along the mexico boarder

>>129048320
Both the GOP and the Democrats make laws outlawing drugs. You need to frame your argument better because it sounds like you have an agenda other than decriminalization of drugs.

Deregulate both I say.

>>129060920
Another good point.
The one major opponent of the wall are the cartels.

Prohibition is less effective when the cancer can still spread through a hole in a wall.

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>>129048320
Guns have a use drugs are an excuse

>>129059529
My experience has only been that it melded all "drug" cultures together. If someone has a hookup for weed, which almost everyone does, they are at the very least one step away from having a hookup for coke, or meth, or heroin.

I have never known anyone to be unable to get something for very long. Even if all else fails, which is insanely rare, there's still the internet and even research chems that people will barely get in trouble for.

On the other hand, living in Canada where alcohol is regulated but not outlawed, I know of people regularly not being able to get booze on a particular day or time, either because the LCBO is closed, or they are just too far from it.

Meanwhile, the commercial end of this scheme isn't a legally regulated venture. It's people like the Taliban, or South American cartels that profit off of drugs being illegal, and they've used those profits to basically wrastle control of, or influence the politics of their particular regions.

>>129060622
Yeah pretty much. Also the polarization on drugs is absurd. Most things that get you high have physiological effects. These physiological effects tend to have detriments and benefits.

Cannabis? THC has antiobotic and antioxidant properties, its a non numbing analgesic and it stimulates appetite, in addition to having a mild high and negligible addictive properties and withdrawals.

Heroin? Used for decades as a treatment for bowel problems and still used in solution as a last line bowel treatment and pain killer.

Drugs can cause problems, so can guns. The issue is autonomy and potential for abuse. The question is not "are drugs bad mkay?" The question is "does or will the government use the drug wars in an exploitative way against the citizenry?" which is an obvious and surrounding yes. Drug use is between citizens and doctors, and the onus of responsibility falls on the salesmen and the citizens.

>people get addicted
boohoo
>no benefit
both wrong and irrelevant
>degeneracy
legally outlawing sins is grade A retardation even the Catholic Church has understood this for nearly a millennia,

>>129061062
How many (1) posters have there been that start with the line "durr we should legalise our societal poison"?
There is foreign influence on this board, but I question whether it's the chinese playing "opium war" games with us in revenge.

>>129060810
With blacks it is more a single parent issue than "mother is a crack whore" issue.Alcohol abuse also causes more problems than all other drugs combined for the black community.

>>129048320
because we have a fucking constitution and bill of right guaranteeing our ability to have/use weapons but not drugs...ffs how stupid are americans these days.

You are a sperg and a faggot OP

>>129060717
prohibition always causes the supply vacuum that criminal enterprises fill.
you could argue there will always be criminal enterprises taking advantage of something people want outside the law
>we're never going to legalize murder so there will always be room for monetizing assassination
but the difference is are you going to criminalize lots and lots of things? things that are potentially billion dollar industries? you're incentivizing criminal behavior.

>>129052956
Nah. The damn things just breed like rabbits. You buy one and suddenly you dad and uncles and neighbors are giving you more.

>>129060271
where did you get that definition for a right, cause that is absolutely wrong.

>Right, noun, that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc.
-dictionary.com

Rights are things which people intrinsically have, and, in America, have given the task of defending them to government. This doesn't mean the rights don't exist without government, however, and thus the second amendment was made so as to allow citizens to defend their own rights from any and all attacks.

>>129061256
but what if you use syringes with too much drugs in it as self defence weapons?

>>129060717
>The drug abuse appeared to cause the prohibition.
no, the nanny state caused the Prohibition. You cannot find me a single nation where prohibition was not the result of progressive creep.
>The "failure of prohibition" is a fucking cultural marxist maymay.
Not remotely, prohibition is just a failed policy. It puts money in the pockets of crooks and makes the drugs themselves more dangerous than they already were.

>>129061319
>My experience has only been that it melded all "drug" cultures together
So your saying it's an efficient spiders web for degenerate cunts?
Sounds like a good way to take out the trash in one hit - collect them into little drug cliques and catch them in the act of breaking the law.

Druggies don't swim to good. Put the fish out of it's misery.
The only drug I think should be legalised is weed and weed alone. Weed is a spiritual journey, not a societal poison.
The other drugs are sedation. LSD and MDMA is chemical ideology.
Weed is much less impacting on the individuals will.

>>129060197
China would only trade in silver. Europe didn't have enough silver to buy what they wanted. The UK used their holding in India to grow large amounts of opium. They then started smuggling massive amounts of opium into China as a product that Chinese would accept rather than silver.

The Chinese would sell opium openly in defiance of the central government because they had at one point addicted an estimated 30% of the working population to opium.

China was in critical need as it's workers were unable to produce the goods and services needed to maintain the population. Starvation was a real concern.

Call this point the height of defacto legalization. A nation crippled by opium addiction.

China told the UK to stop importing Opium, to which the UK said fuck off. China declared war on the UK and tried to fight them back to stop the drug trade.

China lost and had to make territorial concessions and accept the drug trade.

Short while later under legal opium use the estimated use was up to 20% of the total population.

China went to war with the UK again trying to stop the drug trade, and lost again.

It was only after those wars that the UK population started to realize how destructive opium was and as a moral choice ended the opium trade. However with so many people addicted the practice didn't end.

It took the rise of the Communists that cracked down to really get their use numbers down to generally average levels.

>>129061506
>you could argue there will always be criminal enterprises taking advantage of something people want outside the law
And I say this is a lovely rabbit trap.

>>129053535
i agree in colorado cannabis lost its sparkle with many many people a lot dont smoke as much anymore. The only people that find it cool are tourists

>>129060595
Something dealers would never do out of care for people and communities right?

>>129061470
Fucking kill yourself you marxist piece of shit.
>rights come from the Constitution
right so well just amend the Constitution so that free speech isnt protected and youll no longer have a right to free speech, right you communist fucking shill?
>The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Read the 9th Amendment you mongoloid piece of fucking garbage.

>>129049242
why did the thread continue after this post

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>>129061506
Also you don't create a nice garden without weeding anon.

>>129061581
interesting. that is actually really common drug user behavior where they want to share their experience by sharing their drug of choice with friends.

>>129048320
It is hypocritical. That's why I support deregulation on both fire arms and medicinal/recteational narcotics.

>>129061319
>If someone has a hookup for weed, which almost everyone does
That's not normal. It seems normal to you because you choose to associate with people that are drug users.

>>129052956
I know some people who seem pretty obsessed. Like they own over 300 guns many of which are similar.

But when you think of all the different kind of guns, just buying one of each will get you into the teens at least.

.22 plinker youth single shot, .22 semiauto plinker pistol and rifle, something for hunting each type of game you hunt, a fighting rifle (maybe you want different ones for door kicking type fighting and field fighting), super light and thin carry gun like a .380, normal carry gun, open carry gun for innawoods, etc.

>>129062175
Dealers are a result of prohibition numbnuts. During the alcohol prohibition people made bathtub gin and happily killed people with moonshine. How many bartenders and liquor salesman now want their customers dead or destitute numbnuts? Vendors are part od the community, drug dealers are not. Fucking retard.

Hello r*ddit

>>129061832
>You cannot find me a single nation where prohibition was not the result of progressive creep.
>what is the opium war

Did you ever listen to your history lessons at school?

>>129048320
>the person taking it did.
just shoring up your argument so it makes sense.

>>129059713
>I know many that have ended up in hospital from alcohol poisoning
Sounds like you just have irresponsible chums.
By and large the biggest binge drinkers in the US are illegal teenage drinkers. It's easy to get, cheap, and effective. It's almost like years of being told not to do things by people you don't respect doesn't have the desired effect.
They've proven they will continue to abuse it either way; healthier alternatives wouldn't hurt. No rise in marijuana use in teens has been recorded since it was legalized in several states (at least compared to the last 15 years or so) but less teens are smoking cigarettes now which I wouldn't say is a bad thing.
Prohibition is always caused by slippery slope nancies who think if people have the ability to do great harm to themselves they will just for the hell of it, I guess. People are retarded, not suicidal; the only people legal drugs would hurt are people who shouldn't have the burden of life in the first place.

>>129062530
I think it's normal to me because I live in Canada. We have NOTHING else. But even if you don't have a direct hookup to a drug dealer, you almost certainly know at least one person that does. You'd have to try not to.

>>129062579
I said earlier, the Opium war is a terrible example because the british were literally using their superior position to go out and get the Chinese peasantry addicted to Opium. Western nations dont have foreign governments subverting them unless they allow it to happen. America could destroy the cartels if we wanted, but the government doesnt want to because theyre pals. Once again, the problem is government, not the narcotic itself. Also doesnt count because the Chinese are literal fucking subhumans so the comparison falls flat there too.

I would love to see the constitutional amendment that says "The right to buy and use drugs shall not be infringed." Only a liberal pedophile would compare a right to a fucking need to be addicted to drugs.

>>129062680
>Sounds like you just have irresponsible chums.
It's a significant societal issue for late teens here.

Is this not as significant in the US or something?
Beer consumption is the #1 issue in Australian society. We over-consume significantly here.
We had $10 stubbies in some bars in my city here, as a curb to alcohol abuse.
It's had somewhat success. I certainly don't drink as much now.

>>129061395
>no benefit
>both wrong and irrelevant
Do you think heroin junkies are shooting up because they have bowel problems they are treating?

>>129062929
I don't know anyone who does drugs. If I wanted them, I supposed I'd go find an indian or something?

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>>129062929
Same in Australia drugs is all we have everything else is too expensive or illegal

>>129061506
>prohibition always causes the supply vacuum that criminal enterprises fill.
Only with an existing user base.

>>129049487
>proper channels

See so many people gloss over this but don't understand how retarded the government is with gun laws.

>>129048320
you get addicted to drugs
you don't get addicted to shooting

>>129062680
>Prohibition is always caused by slippery slope nancies
The slippery slope is not exactly a logical fallacy. I don't see why people draw that in the same light with other fallacies.
Though the irony in your post is that there is also a "slippery slope" inference with regards to creating prohibition - a "purity spiral".

Slippery slopes are the force/momentum of policies. They do occur as the hivemind confirms and ideological bullet point.
This is why subversion and degeneracy is so bad. People pretend slippery slopes don't exist. They do.

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>>129063344
how do you even prohibition without a userbase?

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>>129063490
Wrong again kid

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>>129062942
>the Opium war is a terrible example because the british were literally using their superior position to go out and get the Chinese peasantry addicted to Opium
You don't say anon.

>what is shareblue
>what is jewish influence
>what is residue communist influence (and the reason why Russia might be helping the US get out this influence now)

>>129061256
What're these pics from? Source me.

>>129061967
>So your saying it's an efficient spiders web for degenerate cunts?
It's an efficient web for making people give their money to black market vendors instead of white market vendors. It's an efficient way to get people hooked on harder drugs than drugs that are softer than current legal ones. It's an efficient way to get chumps like you to pay more and more to a government and law enforcement so they can throw people in drug-filled prisons where there is even less to do, and a harder push to do drugs. It's an efficient way to fund terrorism. It's an efficient way to have a populace undermine their respect for the rule of law on a daily basis.

LSD is not chemical ideology. All it does is make you feel too happy about nothing for a day, and to overthink everything. It essentially causes your synapse to fire off like crazy, leading to things like hallucinations and synesthesia. It's certainly no more chemical ideology than alcohol, which damages dendrites and slightly rewires brain pathways both on and off it.

>>129062532
You don't think that current sellers of recreational drugs are doing do "in such a way that they were intentionally creating dependency among the populace"?

Really? You think tobacco companies are not doing everything they legally can to get people addicted? You think that alcohol producers are not doing everything they legally can to get people dependent on their products?

In this tread we have allegations of the pharmaceutical industry trying to get more users for non valid medical reasons.

>>129048320
I unironically think druggies aren't people. Self control is what separates man from apes, so.

>>129048320
>So why are drugs banned but guns aren't?
Because the drug trade is an MLM brainwashing business run by very, very evil men, and the gun trade business isn't.

>>129060920
>the person selling the drugs kills people
This is the same as holding gun manufacturers responsible for gun deaths. The drug epidemic is an economic issue at its core with huge social ramifications. For decades we've attacking the supply instead of addressing domestic demand. We've been wasting so much money on things that have been proven to not work, so why in the hell do people think we need to be MORE punitive and fritter MORE money? Why not instead redirect the money and resources to helping these people cope with their addiction, addressing the social woes that make people turn to drugs, and ultimately securing the border/cleaning up the streets.

If drugs were decriminalized again, do you really think it would be sold in your local convenience store unrestricted? This isn't the 1880's

>>129050160
>the creation of meth is hazardous
True, but if drugs were decriminalized meth labs wouldn't have to be in the middle of neighbourhoods

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>>129063768
That's Jonathan Brandis ,duh

>>129063244
Only because you're on drugs and can't afford it because you spent all your money feeding your addiction.

Alcohol is the biggest hole in the average aussies pocket.

>>129050435
Education does not solve physical dependencies, you can't teach yourself to not have tremors, headaches, twitches, cold sweats, nausea, etc by educating yourself. Don't be such a retard or at least try harder to not look like one

>>129063177
No I think theyre shooting up because they come from broken homes and because heroin is filled with 60% adulterants that are damn near worse than the drug. I also think because their addiction isolates them from society, allowing them to continue falling further into it. Drunkards can go to work, go out etc etc. It keeps many of them from sinking irreparably into their habit. If drinking at all already made you a criminal and a pariah? We see what happens. We only need to look back to the 20's. People sink into degenerate habits and pump themselves full of subpar drugs. Once again, Portugal loosened its laws on heroin. New users rose, but overdoses and AIDs infections dropped. Also
>implying I give a fuck if a heroin junky dies at home
cry me a river.

Technically we should have access to all drugs.
But introducing it into our system and culture is a net negative.

>>129048320
oh and the answer is because people with guns don't feel a chemical compulsion to support an addiction simply by holding a gun.

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>>129048320
Because guns have other uses besides killing other people

>>129063981
Biggest hole in my pocket for sure but life would be so boring without it I'm pretty much too scared to do anything else

>>129063538
We prohibit the private ownership of chemical weapons and rocks from Mars.

This by the logic presented this will create a black market to fill it because anything illegal magically creates demand and supply.

>>129063902
Learn to swim leaf.
I almost see this as a form of eugenics.

Teach your kids it's the trap of the wicked. They want "your soul"

>>129064181
No to be more specific. They are involved in more than just murder.

>>129064155
>implying you don't get a euphoric high from squeezing that trigger and watching shit get destroyed
My pants just shrunk just typing this

>>129063628
>how do you even prohibition without a userbase?
Make something illegal that doesn't have a user base. Predict a problem and end it before it starts.

>>129048320
>So why are drugs banned but guns aren't?
Not all drugs are banned. There are also a lot of places in the US where guns are banned, and certain types that are banned from domestic ownership

>>129062075
I wasn't aware of that, but it fills in the picture of how China suddenly got so addicted to Opium in the first place.

>>129063902
>It's an efficient way to have a populace undermine their respect for the rule of law on a daily basis.
That's why it's a convenient rabbit trap.

Delicious.
Satan finds them tasty.

>>129051415
One acid trip is enough to send somebody off the deep end, I've done it several times before I stopped my degeneracy phase, I've been with people who were seriously about to fucking lose it in their first trip, low dosage. Education is not a coverall as a preventative measure. You like to get high and don't want to give it up because big brother and corporations that actually pay well are saying no

>>129048320
Because then people would start to think critically and no politician wants that,

>>129064397
you got to point it at a nigger first and decide to end the animal's life.

drugs let you cheat and get the rush.

>>129049242
That's an easy cop out that avoids discussing the issue.

>>129051554
You're confusing physiological with psychological, they're not interchangeable terms

>>129049242
>>129062247
>>129063575

>Americans are so inbred they actually believe murder weapons are a human right

>>129064658
I'm Australian an I believe they are, at least for self defence and hunting

>>129064035

Nice, blame everyone but the user.

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>>129063902
>LSD is not chemical ideology.
It is leaf. Fuck me, do all you do in leaf land is think about maple syrup?
LSD literally reassembles your mind by the direct firing of synapses and a variety of other chemical influences.
It is essentially a chemical ideology. That's why the hippy era occurred. Guess what caused them to praise their own deaths? LSD indoctrination.

Stop being a blue pilled fool.
Apologies for 3 replies, I replied too early the first two times :^)

Also 10/10 for the replies.

>>129063096
>It's a significant societal issue for late teens here.
Most of the people I grew up with stopped drinking, except socially, around 25 or so. Had a few buds go through some relationship stuff and fall into alcoholism but I can at least understand the feelings there.
>Though the irony in your post is that there is also a "slippery slope" inference with regards to creating prohibition - a "purity spiral".
There is not; I'm not using a "purity spiral" to justify my disdain for regulation.
>This is why subversion and degeneracy is so bad
1) subversion is an extremely general term
2) "degeneracy" is a subjective /pol/ meme
"This is why [different things that I don't like] is so bad."

>>129064428
>solving problems that dont exist
sounds effective.
scientists are probably already dealing with that sorta bullshit.

>>129064658
How is defending yourself not a right?

Abortions kills people, not the people doing the abortions.

hurr the fucking durr

>>129064788
Is there anything to actually hunt in Aus? Jw

>>129063748
So we should eject communists and zionists? Whats your point, I agree. Like I said, the narcotics arent the problem, the hostile actors are the problem.
>>129063915
And yet providers that operate within the community, while shilling for a profit, still do so in less harmful a manner. Alcohol producers absolutely are pushing alcohol in ways that are unsavory. And yet despite alcohol being one of the hardest and most dangerous drugs there is, its still less injurious than any given narcotic.
>In this tread we have allegations of the pharmaceutical industry trying to get more users for non valid medical reasons.
And Im one of the people who made such allegations. They do so in ways that are either illegal or nearly so, and in conjunction with street pushers. More people die from fentanyl than heroin, by many times. And many times more die from other legal opioids. Id wager to say this doesnt happen where these people can go to the store and buy a product that is consistently pure, dosed and available. The sheer instability prohibition causes in the lives of users alone is a major source of problems. Adulterants are a HUGE problem in the black market, many of them make the substances more addictive and more unhealthy than they were to begin with. once again, I point back to bathtub gin. Black market providers have minimal open comepetition, and thus little incentive to improve or cater to customers. legal providers have every incentive to maximize the consistency and relative well being of their customers. Even tobacco companies put filters on their tobacco because it sells more.

>>129063238
That's a good way to do it

>>129064658
They are, bestowed by their Founding Fathers. Show some respect.

>>129048320
Stop comparing apples to pears to bowling balls, retard.
Using a gun doesn't impair your cognitive functions. Using a gun isn't addictive. Guns aren't consumable. Drugs aren't used for self-defense.

Anyone who responds to retarded shit like this seriously is just as retarded as OP.
There is no connection between guns and drugs. Those are two completely different things.
Only from a libertarian perspective you can make an argument that both should be legal. From a conservative perspective there is no comparison.

>>129065098
That doesn't mean they can't be discussed. Things have been added before. To say that it's infallible because a few of the Founding Fathers signed it is stupid.

>>129065185
>guns aren't consumable
Tell that to Hitler. I heard he swallowed

>>129064889
Not remotely. The user is the only one responsible for their actions, but pretending that vast swathes of people just shoot heroin with dirty needles for a laugh is fucking retarded. Im not the one trying to argue that we need to throw people in jail for selling someone smokable tar or flowers.

>>129064226
>Biggest hole in my pocket for sure
Same with me. I can't stop drinking the stuff.
The price hikes made me realise how much it caused me to escape reality.
I almost endorse the beer prices.. if it didn't make people turn to weed instead.

>but life would be so boring without it I'm pretty much too scared to do anything else
Open your eyes anon.
Stop drinking beer and drink the water instead (if you know what I mean).
The game is lifeless if you don't play it.

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>>129064658
>can't discern between human rights and legally granted rights
You would know about inbreeding to be this mentally handicapped

>>129048320
>If guns don't kill people, the person shooting the gun does..

Technically the heart stops beating in the chest so..

Which is why drugs should be deregulated. It will also push toward cheaper/higher quality product, which will in turn promote usage of "safer" dtugs.

>>129065053
theres plenty of roos and then the invasive european pest species which require culling; cats, boars, etc.

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No one on the anti drugs side argues about the responsible use of these substances.

They are illegal because irresponsible use is pervasive and destructive. Except it is a slow destruction with a sharp cliff.

Cocaine for example. Slow physical destruction of the blood brain barrier. And nasal passages. High rate of tolerance build up. The point of no return is highly variable. Such that it can be safely used for extended periods of time until you drop dead suddenly and without warning. It's euphoric and numbing effects also prevent self detection of
Symptomology.

Lsd permanently alters chemical pathways in the brain. Safe for most but increases over time. Perhaps with genetics you can correctly select people for whom this substance is safe. However with permanent alteration of these typically one way channels, you can get flashbacks. If this happens wrong time wrong place people die. Not to mention massive variations in tolerance across populations with steep curves. One mcg too many on the wrong day and boom rapid onset multiple organ failure b/c regulatory resources of the brain get turned on and can't shut down.

There is a drug in South America that makes you extremely suggestible to the point where your will is negligent.

Mdma causes brain lesions.

Ayawahska is like a nonstop festival of diarrhea and vomiting. Where you are not fully in control of your mental states.

Drug misuse demands immediate calls to action on others.

>>129065475
>every death is a suicide by heart failure
Holy shit youre a genius

>>129065017
>solving problems that dont exist
>sounds effective.

Yeah it's called prevention, you think of a potential problem and you try to stop it before it happens.

>>129065053
if it's in private property over a certain size and you have the owners permission you can shoot feral pigs I think, pretty fucking pathetic so much land and nobody's allowed to use it, I don't even own guns because it costs about 2000 gun,safe plus ongoing fees for licenses be better off bow hunting but I doubt that's legal

>>129065323
>shall not be infringed
Sorry, bro, but you're wrong. Trying to take guns from Americans just makes them buy more, so only force would work, but you'd have to kill everyone and their grandma

Lobbyists

Any other reason given is just debate club bullshit.

Life is meaningless. Laws are just guidelines to help a community prosper. Profits eventually motivate people to regulate our liberty (which is just a made up thing).

We want happiness. Assholes want more money and will lie to get it: welcome to the top of human society.

>>129048320
>Shouldn't the GOP be promoting deregulations on drugs the way they promote deregulations on guns?
No. Deregulating hard drugs will continue our spiral into degeneration. Leaving pot out of that - I don't think it's any worse than alcohol and states stand to make a ton of money from it.

Deregulating guns (and I don't think anyone's actually advocating for complete deregulation) is just refining a constitutional right.

>>129048320
Because I don't need my own heroin to combat someone else's heroin, you dumb fuck.

>>129065671
>you'd have to kill everyone
nah
see >>129052956 would only have to kill the 3% and then the rest would fall in line.

>>129064261
>This by the logic presented this will create a black market to fill it because anything illegal magically creates demand and supply.
Don't be silly anon.
We know that once outside of "the system" there is essential anarcho-capitalism.
But you gotta make the sacrifice of not being within the system.

There will be black markets. And you have to leave the system in order to join that market.
Essentially the system will devour those that meddle in the markets like a giant predator.
That is what the system is.

You can either be a limb of the predator, or you can be a "hardcore" guppy outside of the system. Better hope you can cover your footprints.

>>129065054
>And yet providers that operate within the community, while shilling for a profit, still do so in less harmful a manner. Alcohol producers absolutely are pushing alcohol in ways that are unsavory.

The argument was that it would be safer without legal restrictions, and that sellers are not out to hurt their communities.
If we had no legal restrictions on alcohol or tobacco things would be much worse.

So we have regulations.

The regulation for drugs is simple enough; they are illegal.

>>129065323
It's not infallible, it's protected. You're right, things have been added but only 3 have been repealed, and none of the ones introduced by the bill of rights have been so much as touched

>>129065792
100% honest alcohol is more dangerous than cocaine. Far more addictive, causes more health problems. The only problem is its easier to overdose on cocaine simply on account of size of the dosage. But even then thats because coca leaves are illegal. If people could just drink coca leaves cocaine would probably be far less relevant. Why do a line of coke when I could just slam a couple OG coca colas instead? Ingestion lasts longer anyway.

>>129064974
>Most of the people I grew up with stopped drinking, except socially, around 25 or so
Different culture mate.

Here we drink cartons (at least) a week here till old age.
My Dad drinks 2. I know a 50 year old that used to drink a carton a night. He looks like humpty dumpty from the carbs.

>>129065098
>bestowed by their Founding Fathers
This is what non-Americans don't understand

It wasn't the Founders who "gave" us these rights, rather they were bestowed to us by God and the government cannot take them away

>>129065054
>So we should eject communists and zionists?
Where do you think you are anon?
Political correctness is marxist in nature.

"guns don't kill people people kill people hurr burr" is a simplistic conservative propaganda. Firearm proliferation contributes significantly to murder rate, especially when you have spics, nigs and rednecks as general populance.

Truth is, guns are simply a cultural backbone of the American society. Americans NEED to feel powerful and self-determining their fate, unlike the meek EU sheep. Without it it's just not America any longer.

Banning guns in the US is akin to banning the Koran in Saudi Arabia, to banning street shitting in India and to banning currency in Israel.

>>129065347
The user started down that path and keeps going.

People not lacking a father at home causes drug use.

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>>129065671
Again, things can be added to the document. I'm not even anti gun, I'm just saying the fact they they signed doesn't mean it can't be changed. That's an easy argument to tear down.

>>129066129
That and cocaine is easier to OD on because of how easy it is to introduce into your system. Just snort until you've had your fix. Alcohol takes time to ingest and fills up space. You definitely notice it more

>>129064226
>>129063981
I though meth (speed) was a big issue there?

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>>129048320
People on here actually believe guns shouldn't be completely banned, wtf

>>129065054
(cont.)
>Like I said, the narcotics arent the problem, the hostile actors are the problem
Narcotics and subversive ideologies are the problem.

Think of our social system as a beast. In order to maintain his shiny coat of fur and his health you need to cut down on his toxin intake.
You want to keep this beast running? You want his aesthetic?

Then you cut down the toxin intake. Reject those ideologies and poisons.
Trust me, you won't like it if you submitted to them. I went down that path. I felt dead. I felt blind.
It's a horrible life.

>>129053288
That's like saying being a shopaholic or addicted gambler doesn't exist. All a process needs to be addictive is to give you the sense of being rewarded. There are plenty of ways to accomplish that.

>>129064959
You are literally retarded. It causes a "synaptic flood" for lack of a better term, but that's it. And once it wears off, you may have the memory of the crazy ass synaptic fireworks display that was going on in your head, but it certainly won't damage or even majorly dilute the pathways you use on a daily basis. It's like the opposite of alcohol, but less damaging to the pathways and dendrites.

I know you know a thing or two about alcohol you fucking abo.

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>>129066514
Kek
He fell for the all Aussies are addicted to meth meme

>>129066379
>i'm not anti-gun
>he says as he's arguing to take away guns
Even if you aren't anti-gun, you're still fighting for communist ideals.

>>129048320
>highly addictive chemical that has no real benefit to the user or society
>piece of machined metal and polymer that fires a projectile at a high rate of speed in a consistent direction

nice try dumb goy

>>129065988
You're right. I'm just saying it can be changed if you wanted to.

>>129048320
If the Republicans had a logically sound ideology, they wouldn't be republicans, they would either become libertarians or fascists.
Both parties in america are built around denying logic and tricking normies into voting for them

>>129065932
>If we had no legal restrictions on alcohol or tobacco things would be much worse.
Bullshit. The poster child for this argument is the tobacco industry, but they were literally committing fraud and murder to cover up their fraud. The problem wasnt a lack of regulation, the problem was a lack of law enforcement.
>So we have regulations.
Because of ninny fucking progressives. Its not sufficient to just hang corrupt politicians who protect their murdering, lying buddies. Do you really think big labels that say "THIS CAUSES CANCER" and PSAs matter more than the lawsuits that simply showed that tobacco producers were lying to their customers? Fraud is already a crime. The PSAs dont stop me from smoking, I know what Im getting into. I care more about being informed about the risks than admonished for taking them.
>The regulation for drugs is simple enough; they are illegal.
Which ha resulted in the US having the highest per capita incarceration rate in the fucking world, with the second highest prison population. Oh boy I love going to jail for imbibing what I fucking will in the land of the free. This nation was founded by drunkards, and spitting coughing tobacco users. Its not your place to tell me whats good for me and what isnt. But no, youd rather criminalize millions of people who havent harmed anyone else on account of your feelings. Do you vote democrat, because if we dont ban racial epithets people will go stright back to lynching you know.

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>>129065600
Even if we were immortal and could withstand the organ health issues of drugs, the psychological and philosophical implications alone should deter you from them.
Be like obi wan. Reject the death sticks and learn the way of the force.

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>>129065605
Think twice anon, It's not a suicide if the death is a natural cause.

>>129066923
>I'm a communist now
This is the level of discussion "muh guns" retards use.

I'm not anti-gun. Reread my post, I haven't said once that guns should be taken away or banned.

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>>129051415
Education is not compulsion. Many of these substances have highly compulsive properties. Many people simply cannot handle them. Look at the obesity rates. We've known for millennia diet and exercise is vital to thrive. Yet we still have people acting in a fashion that could never be described as self interest. Vegetable shortening still exists in the Information Age.
We have tons of fat and smoking doctors. Education is simply not enough in many circumstances.
Pic somewhat related. These people still believe in spirits and curses

>>129049960
Just recently a ghetto of crack headed fucks were thrown out on the streets. Certain drugs naturally draw dead beats and degeneracy. When was the last time you met someone who habitually smoked crack, and left you with a good impression? I'll wait.
Nigger.

>>129066933
>piece of machined metal and polymer that fires a projectile at a high rate of speed in a consistent direction
> being a benefit to society

nice try dumb goy

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>>129066882
Just most of us

>>129064485
Remember how there was that town that did better with no traffic lights for a day because they actually paid attention to the road.

Regressing to the mean IS maybe a problem. But creating a situation where the rule of law is undermined on a daily basis IS NOT GOOD. There is zero reasons why you'd want to trap people that were not hurting anyone. Not that that is what the Drug War is. At best, it's an attempt by the law makers to over extend their privileges in a very short sighted way.

>>129066514
>>129066882
Meth is nearly overtaking alcohol.
Meth addiction in our society can literally be measured through our water supplies.
>person takes meth
>pees/poos the residue
>ends up into wastewater facility
>spread on ovals/fields
>enters drinking water supply through groundwater

Meth users are literally an impedance to non users.

>>129064327
Some drugs developed and evolved alongside humans. Even the ones you are against are probably used in the medical field for some purpose.

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>>129067499
You mean there's fucking meth in my drinking water

>>129066729
>All a process needs to be addictive is to give you the sense of being rewarded
Gambling requires going through your eyes/ears/knowledge/personality/etc.
Chemicals literally target the reward response system.

The two are not identical. Stop asserting their "familiarity" when the degree of influence differs significantly.

>>129067499
Duterte death squads when?

>>129067268
You've already said you think gun laws should be questioned. They already are questioned/infringed with bans on fully auto firearms, so idk what the fuck you want.

>>129066781
>It causes a "synaptic flood" for lack of a better term
Explain what a "synaptic flood" does.

Because last time I checked, floods leave permanent damage :^)

>>129064658
>1 post by this ID

SERIOUSLY POL FUCKING LEARN

>>129066284
Not sure what youre arguing.
>>129066318
Yes, but that doesnt become a crime until the user commits a criminal act like theft, fraud or violent victimization. Youre missing the point, mass drug abuse isnt a problem in a healthy society, and banning drugs doesnt help the problem in any way shape or form. Its like applying leeches to a massive and recent chest wound. Wrong solution, and wrong scale.
>>129066688
Society is not a beast. Its a web of individuals and groups acting in concert. Doing drugs doesnt automatically make you a criminal, and preemptively punishing them as though it did is as absurd as enforcing thought crimes as though using a racial epithet made you a killer or a thug.
>Trust me, you won't like it if you submitted to them.
then I wont. Ive never had a problem turning down hard drugs in the past, and I dont see that becoming a problem for me in the future. Ive had MDMA and Ive turned it down plenty. Have had cocaine and have turned it down plenty. Have had benzos and opioids and have turned them down plenty. YOU make choices in life. Pretty sure if people can starve themselves or set themselves on fire I can choose to not get addicted to narcotics.

>>129067334
It can be either a benefit or a detriment depending on the user. It does not alter your state of mind. It does not chemically addict you.

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>>129057608
Maybe in toothpaste land.

>>129067780
Yep.
Why do you think this shit was prohibited to begin with.
It's not just the addicts that are affected. We all are.

>>129067896
Duterte is a sign of things to come.
Drugs do not just affect the users. It affects everyone.

>>129066318
You know how many opium users were created by the medical industry? Oxy is like a buck a gram and that's on the low side. Heroin gives mostly the same high and costs a third of the price.

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>>129048320
Guns aren't addictive chemicals that re-wire your neurology so you lose free will. Owning a gun doesn't make you suck cocks under freeways for more ammo. Stop being an autistic lolbertardian.

>>129067334
>Fire projectile into krautcuck skull
>benefit society.

>>129066129
Only people can drink a beer or two and not get intoxicated, simply for the taste. Some people drink to get drunk, but by no means all drinkers. Nobody does cocain without the intent of getting high.

>>129068393
teh fuck is atomizaton on there for?

>>129068146
>Society is not a beast. Its a web of individuals and groups acting in concert.
Oh little one. You have many things to learn.
Systems are predatory in nature to other systems and individuals.
That's why Britain used the lion as their descriptive symbol for their empire.

>Doing drugs doesnt automatically make you a criminal, and preemptively punishing them as though it did is as absurd as enforcing thought crimes as though using a racial epithet made you a killer or a thug.
See >>129067499
Anybody that uses/creates drug in our tiny little planet should be a criminal.

You have no idea just how much it is affecting our society.
This is isn't the 1800's, we can't afford the individual indulgence on these things anymore.
Maybe you use them in space anon. But for now, we are one giant organism called planet earth and drug abusers are a growing cancer.

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Because you can't addicted to guns, retard. Meanwhile we have big pharma pushing meth and coke and opium on people and they keep upping the dosage up until the threshold of killing the person, then they rip them off the drug instead of weaning them because that's what makes them money.

>>129068218
>It does not alter your state of mind
not true, it makes you not a cuck.
>Owning a gun doesn't make you suck cocks under freeways for more ammo.
Never known anyone who sucked dick or cocaine or weed. Maybe you just hang out with faggots.
>>129068593
No one drinks very hard liquor for the taste. Thats what cocaine is, its distilled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca_tea

>>129068943
And if I was taught to see this as a child, I would not have done many of the things I did as ignorant teen.

>>129067986
They certainly leave a permanent mark. Whenever a pathway is used that has otherwise been unused, it strengthens that pathway.

Drinking alcohol for instance damages dendrites, which are the neurons connections to synapse. When those dendrites are damages, the synapse can not be used effectively, so your brain finds new pathways. Once the alcohol wears off, and after a short while, the dendrites repair themselves and the brain functions as it used to, but with the new pathways in place.

This is actually the suspected reason the drinkers perform slightly better on tests when they drink moderately. LSD has the same affect, but much more pronounced depending on the dosage, and much more less damaging over all to your everyday synaptic patterns.

Easy: drugs should not be illegal, and only remain illegal to fill up private prisons. Any sane individual would see this as a medical problem, and not a crime.

>>129069029
>Because you can't addicted to guns, retard.
Well that's arguable. But definitely not in the same way as drugs.

>>129068943
Perhaps the meth wave has something to do that we give over 10% of our children stimulants when theyre school aged and we live in a decadent nanny society devoid of meaningful stimulation?

>>129048320
Because hard drugs, distributed by the DEA and CIA do kill people.

>>129069193
>Whenever a pathway is used that has otherwise been unused, it strengthens that pathway.
That's not necessarily a good thing if that pathway installs an ideology that negatively impacts the person in other ways.
Infact, that's proof of how it acts as chemical cement to our minds.

All they have said is that it opens pathways.
But are they pathways to hell?

>>129069193
Also moderate alcohol consumption encourages new cardiovascular development in the extremities.