Why do religious people need a crutch to help them explain the

Can't do that mate
Society will either have a crutch, or puke one out and use that one
It's literally not possible to make a happy society without religion

>>128991091
The morale must come from somewhere. Scientism is also a way to pretend they have an idea what the universe really is. Religion is no better or worse.

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Turn to the Catholic Church, my friend, and pray before a eucheristic adorition (or just a statue of Jesus) and pray just ONE thing and you'll get it - guaranteed!
Try asking for something that truly aches you in your heart. (I know It helped me out!)

Ask and it shall be given - but you have to ask!
Knock and it shall be opened - but you have to knock!
Seek and you shall find - but you have to seek!

If Jesus cannot awnser your prayers, he is no God. But to my own experience he has anwsered mine. I wanted to be a writer so I prayed for it one day to angels, saints, mary, christ until eventually I was contacted by a publisher three days later of my prayers - they turned out to be scammers, though, so I don't know what the Lord meant by that, lol. (And while it's true I had contacted them a year earlier - and like the scammers thy are, they tend to recontact their clients, even if they decline) they hadn't contacted me in months UNTIL that one prayer of mine. Make of that what you will.

But if you will not believe me - then believe in your own result. JUST ONE PRAYER - that's all it takes to get into the higher life. And when you make it, and things happen (and they will) remember that a CATHOLIC anon told you these things. (Make of that what you will)

Also if you want to somewhat maximise the effect of holiness I'd suggest tending to the First Friday Devotions from now on. Tend the first friday mass of nine consecutive months and you'll be in the clear with Jesus in death (plus bonus blessings too, yay!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Friday_Devotion

Hail to the RISEN LORD!!!
And PEACE to people of GOOD WILL!!!

HOSSANAH IN THE HIGHEST!!!
BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!!!

HOSSANAH IN THE HIGHEST!!!!

>>128991501
Maybe I'm biased because I can comprehend not knowing, accept it, and still live my life in the pursuit of happiness and the fun of financial success, while not having a drive to hurt or control others.

>>128991765
It kind of is. Science is a better system if universal explanation. You could destroy all copies of the bible, koran, etc and erase it from everyone's memory, and in 100 years, it would not resurface. Maybe something would come close, but it wouldn't be near the same.

On the other hand could destroy all scripture on scientific evidence, erase it from everyones memories, and in 100 years it would all be rediscovered.

Actually to even compare the two is like going to the hospital, dying, and them asking you if you'd like to go the religious or science route and both being close to saving you.

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>>128991969
This
>>128991091
learn
how in to theology of Catholic Church my brother

>>128992184
No. There are similarities between religions that would be resurfaced. The religiousness is eternal for humankind.

No it is nothing like comparing it to a hospital. They work on different levels. The purpose of religion is not to heal broken bones. It's purpose is something else, more fundamental to humanity.

>>128992672
This, it's more of a heart than a crutch, Arabs may live in the scorching heat, but their hearts are cold as ice, and that's why their societies are so cruel and unjust

>>128992672
Science is an explanation with factual and proven hypothesis and systematically processed conclusions via peer review and scrutinization. Religion is archaic stories created thousands of years ago to try to explain the unexplainable universe, as a crutch for lack of technological advancement. It's not the ancients fault they didn't know the stars were balls of fusion, they didn't have the resources to figure it out. They needed religion.

Although, some people even today need it, as a crutch to beat alcoholism and drugs etc. I do see it relevant I guess, I just wondered why people need to pretend to know what isn't known, instead of just accepting we have no idea.

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>>128991969
Are you stupid? Are you insane?
Do you think that anyone on the rational side of sanity thinks prayer has some kind of fucking magic power?
That you're some kind of WIZARD, and wishing to your GENIE IN THE SKY with your hands clasped together has SOME KIND OF MAGIC POWER, doopidee doo, because thats how childishly stupid you sound, I have to stoop to this degree of condescention to mock you because anything less would be indistinct,
some kind of MAGIC POWER formed by you holding a particular set of ideas (beliefs) in a PARTICULAR magic being?

"He who comes in the name of the lord"
Are we still doing phrasing?

Worst yet, your reply looks like a copy-paste. I wonder if I should start doing the same?

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>>128993036
Science and religion aren't the opposites to each. You can believe in both if you like. If you don't believe in religion what do you believe? in nihilism? That isn't really possible, since you need to have some values to care enough to survive. Else you starving to death.

>>128993036
And the point of faith is not to know, it is to believe. There is paradoxically a strength in not knowing. The struggle of believing make the faith more important. Doubt just make faith more meaningful.

>>128993382

Existentialism is pretty dead on with how I feel. I believe we are here to experience, and to do it the best we can. I'm also agnostic, I don't know if there is a consciousness that created the universe or not, it could all be a simulation to forget and relearn for entertainment purposes for all we know. I could theorize all day about what this truly is, but that's all I can ever do, because I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

>>128993049
It is a human way of thinking, and there is an enormous power in faith. Even if you don't believe you know that the psychological effect is very real. So faith is very useful.

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>>128991091
Nietzsche explains.

Christians are broken people.

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>>128991091
Do you even know what abiogensis is you blue pilled faggot. Tell your kike boyfriend hello

>>128993049

Meme magic is real you cunt.

>>128991091
>allowing the person to do something wrong
Thats called sin the way you describe it.

>>128993861
>abiogensis
fascinating how amino acids can be found in meteorites like seeds for planets.

>blue pill
yea yea yea, you're the one who willingly fails to see the truth, and pretends to know an answer.

>>128993696
I am also agnostic, used to be atheist. Belief in a purpose is something. Even if it is no more that the belief that we are here to experience. Everyone have to believe in something. And that is the first step towards religiousness. As soon as you think there is a purpose the door to questions about why and who opens up.

>>128994012
Some religions forgive sin

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>>128993849
>> stupid fucking fellow American
>> doesn't know shit about depth of literature

Nietzche said We Killed God because of faggot psuedo-scientists like you and OP

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Why do Atheists insist on attacking racism and sucking nigger dick?

>>128994055
If you sencerely repent God will forgive you. Religion itself cannot forgive you. Ameriflags have brain like little children .....

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"Racism is so dumb lel SCIENCE!!"

>>128991091
You sound 13. Leave your basement and maybe you're nihilistic attitude will change

Jordan peterson redpilled me about this btw. I went from atheist to agnostic very quickly.

>>128994023
Oh, real fucking interesting. How does an amino acid come from a non-living object

Fucking idiot checked it

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>>128994152
You must do more than just "repent" since Jesus instituted 7 sacraments while on earth you must receive the sacraments and be part of the one true holy apostolic church of God.

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"muh star trek!"

Is it any wonder Atheists are so universally hated?

>>128994152
Never said which religion did I? Bulgaricucks can't tech industry or contribute the 21st century. Go buy another murican devd smart phone bitch, and do nothing for the species.

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"Join me and save the white race heheheh hold on I need to have a smoke."

>>128991969
Amen brother, God is the ultimate redpill.
Working miracles in my life right now.

>>128991765
>science is the same!
Science proves itself everyday in countless ways without you even realising it.
You have to bend over backwards and warp logic to credit everything to one particular religion and not another

>>128994191
Amino acids are nonliving... What bio degree do you have? Are you retarded?

The ultimate realization is that you are supposed to become the God described in these texts.

>god created man in his own image

It means you breed.

>>128994237
>telling me what to do
No thanks Johny. Im pretty sure you can't even complete simple tasks as getting your diet on track.
Show me where it says that im obliged to find a church at all costs.

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>>128993979
Go fuck a tulip, Sea-beggar, you put your magic in your hand and Ill shit in mine and we can throw it each other, yeah?

>>128993716
Your reply was civil, so in the interests of exchange of offer this;
To some people, faith is the most DISHONEST position you can hold.

Its claiming to know that which, neither you, nor anyone can POSSIBLY know, and resting a conclusion upon that 'knowledge'.

Of course when you let the opposition define your position you get strawmanned, but I fail to see how faith is not wholly dishonest for an adult.

Faith is NOT a reliable pathway to truth, and there is no position you couldn't hold 'on faith'.

>>128994478
Did you just completely fail to answer my question and twist it to make a nonsensical insult?

You must be a college goy

>>128994582
Look at this Aussie Kike. Big bad atheist.

Do you not think the origin of life as answered by Evolution is faith based? Sit the fuck down and learn about your abiogenesis god

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>>128991091
Who says there is a need to explain the universe and reality?

Truthfully, I began my reintroduction to religion as an experiment, and the results have been that my life is better than it was. If you call religion a crutch and do so as a pejorative, it tosses the baby out with the bath water. If you think you are strong enough to go through life without the benefit of guidance from the church, go ahead and see what it gets you.

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Fuck atheists.

>>128994474
I credit all religion (even islam) as holder of some fundamental truth about reality. Truth that science can't handle.Science can infuse meaning and value into the world, still people put value in sciences findings. Where does this come from? Even scientist need to believe in something not grounded in facts.

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>>128991091

>>128994609
>You must be a college goy
this explains so much lol

>>128994461
>redpill
See this doesn't make sense though. The redpill symbolizes going against the fictitious world and seeing the world for what it really is. Admitting we have no fucking clue what is going on is the most redpill thing you can do.

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Atheists need to be put in labor camps.

>>128994715
>there is no need to understand the world i just take the church's word for everything
You think thats a strength but thats the single most disgusting thing about religion which OP pointed out. Its literally a crutch which makes society feel secure in ignorance.

>>128994778
I agree, atheist pretend to know there is no god, when they have no idea if there is or isn't. They are no better than those who pretend they know as well.

>>128991091
>explain the universe and reality?
that is a common misconception about belief, that is not what we have faith for.

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>>128994785
>gleaning your worldview from a webcomic
unironically end yourself

>>128994779
Scientists do believe in something not grounded in facts.

1) Abiogensis
2) Fossils are dated by the layer of strata. And strata is dated by the type of fossil.
3) If the Earth was made of carbon-14, it would disappear in 1 million years, yet it s found in dinosaur bones.
4) A wooly mammoths leg was dated 10,000 years apart from its head. A living snail dated at 26,000. Yet carbon dating proves "ancient religions" that kike atheists claim gave birth to Christianity

>>128994812
How does an amino acid come from living matter you STUPID FUCKING BURGER

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>>128994082
No because it was never real and people no longer fall for it but pathetic losers who are weak and can lie to themselves.

There was a time people actually believed and weren't faking it like you fags are.

THAT'S WHY EVERYONE LAUGHS AT YOU CHRISTIANS SHILLS ON HERE.

You're fucking pathetic liars who worship a Jew as creator of the universe and shit. It's pathetic! And you have no arguments. So you just shitpost like Commies do. Christianity is being converted into Communism the way Christians converted pagans, through murder, bribes of leaders, and stupid people wanting free shit.

>>128993382
I understand what you're saying, and we haven't gone for the others throats yet, but I think we are at odds;
It is the case that science and religion are held in contrast, and seem to differ primarily in methodology.

I hold that it is DISHONEST to ASSERT AS FACT that which is not supported by evidence to the case.

This puts science at odds with religion, which IS guided by 'visitations and visions', 'beliefs and prayers' and 'acts of god', which are, by definition un-investigate-able.

Science has a claim to truth in the basis that it offers repeatable models of reality;

The issue is essentially, under a 'god is possible' model of reality,
you encounter a paradox, because
all, and I repeat ALL causality based models of reality become useless and have no predictive value. Why? Because, under this model, X is only X because 'god wills it' so, and this could cease at any time.

There would be no point in any action, as the ultimate results would be inconsequential.
Why pack an umbrella for rain when the weatherman predicts it? That model may not correspond to gods will, and it may be the case that hot treacle falls from the sky instead.

Thats what the 'god is possible' model offers, as it has no predictive value.

>>128994582
Faith is necessary to function. Nihilism is impossible, so even scientist need a belief system that is just "made up". Or rather a belief not grounded on facts and science. Maybe being honest about once belief is more honest, since we all are believing in something.

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>>128991091

WHITE MAN YOU HAVE AN ANCIENT RELIGION

YOU STILL PRACTICE IT TODAY

IT'S CALLED SCIENCE/PHILOSOPHY AND NATURE:

Example of Aryan faiths:

>Stoicism (reason as divine)

>Buddhism (moral nihilism)

>Zen (anti-cult)

>Nietzsche's Overman (Will to Power)

>Naturalism (nature as divine)

>Cosmotheism (Dr. William Pierce, evolution as divine)

>Nazism (blood and nature as divine)

>Pythoagorism (numbers as divine, "man is the measure of all things")

All perfectly acceptable alternative to Semitic slave cults.


And for the more Esoteric fag who wants Spiritualism you have:

>Zoroastrianism (good replaced with wisdom of good, evil replaced with incorrect thoughts; the first philosophy)

>Vedda (Brahmanism)

>Wotanism (non-cucked chivalry)

>Druidism (nature as spirit)

>Mithra-ism (divine purity, Christianity stole most of its ritual from)


STOP WORSHIPING A JEW AS GOD OF THE UNIVERSE!

>>128994778
>muh fictional character
Liberals.

>>128994189
You obviously don't even understand the terms. What are you, 14?

>>128995026
No need to get triggered my uneducated friend
Go look up carbonaceous chondrites and amino acids. Use your self learning skills.

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>>128994831
Take that nigger's foot out of your mouth, christcuck.

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>>128995131
>Faith is necessary to function.
Haha

You've never met a Buddhist or a cat

>>128995142
>t. GOldman Sachson.

>>128994831
I remember that from his book. Struck me as very odd. I bet he was a bit molested by some priest

>>128994868

It was a presupposition of OPs post, but it wasn't backed up... just pointing out that the foundation of his criticism isn't explained

>>128994779
Scientific knowledge is provable (and hence disprovable) and works every single day which is why ppl trust it. It works no matter where u are in the world.

On the other hand ppl trust religion because they were raised in it, and they believe whatever "fundamental truth" they were taught in their region.

Facts accepted without evidence is swiftly rejected by scientific community. Sure, i believe stuff based on faith in my personal life, but i recognise it as whatvit is: superstition. I do not to let it impact my understanding of the world.

>>128991091
>>128994898
Axis thread!

on the contrary, it's the hyper-secular materialists who are terrified that we don't know everything that there is to know.

the religionist takes a punt on what it is that created everything, but to get to that place, they have to concede that there is a higher power of sorts.... the hyper-secular materialist has such an ego, that he thinks his own experiences through his primitive 5 senses, are the only sensory aspects required to detect anything in the universe; that if 1 of those 5 senses isn't alerted, than nothing exists.

such is the incredulity of our very existence, any theory you come up with is extraordinary/ridiculous. the idea a dot mass of everything exploded (for no reason), eventually making human beings with emotions, is ridiculous. yet you've convinced yourself it's as true and rational as 1+1=2.

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>>128994341
Protip: Christianity was designed by Jews, For Jews.

And Marxism? Whoa, did you hear that the 70's was 40+ years ago?
Post post modernism would like a word.

Also, we're still waiting on proof that its not the indian god, or the chinese god, or the Martian god, because no ones coughed the fucker up, and we've had film and cameras for over 60 years.

Fuckin damnedest thing, but with the rise of film and literacy, the frequency of 'divine revelation' and reported miraculous events seems to have an inverse relationship.

Aint that just the DARNEDEST thing?

>>128994980
That is not the problem. The problem is that science can't give itself a meaning. They can say that science help humans but every answer will result in a why is that good? So either you accept that there is no meaning and becomes a nihilist or you realize that the scientific view actually need some kind of faith not grounded in any facts.

>>128995395
Nice

>>128991091
You've got it all backwards. You work on the assumption that all religion are false and then assume that religious people "know" this but pretend they don't. It's completely absurd.

>>128991091
>It's kind of sad people need a crutch to be a morally and ethically good person. Some religions also forgive, allowing the person to do something wrong, and gain forgiveness later.

Where do you think your idea of a "moral and good person" comes from?
>Oh I just know because I'm smart
No. Your knowledge of right and wrong is COMPLETELY encapsulated in the ideas of Christianity because you grew up in a western society. You can't just remove that foundation and expect everything to carry along just fine and dandy. The things your parents taught you, the things you learned from society, don't take those for granted. They aren't just a universal given.

And the concept of forgiveness and redemption is one of the highest virtues of humanity. If someone does something wrong what do you think happens?
>Oh I did something wrong. Oh well, I'm just a piece of shit now, might as well keep being a jack ass since there's no hope of becoming good again.
>Oh I did something wrong. Through the grace of God's infinite capacity forgiveness, even a sinner like me can still become a righteous person if I truly repent and make up for my wrong doing.
Which sounds better?

>>128995306
>OP didnt provide proof that gaining knowledge from the scientific method is more valid than gaining all my knowledge from whatever the church says

Well then thats your choice isnt it? Personally i think a magic 8-ball is more precise and straightforward but you do you.

>>128994980
>A wooly mammoths leg was dated 10,000 years apart from its head.
hahahhhahhaha
carbon dating is such bullshit.
>hurrdurr maybe we are within 100,000 years.
>~but how does it work
>well cardon decays at a predictable rate
>~then why is it only within 300,000 year range?
>uhhh, shut up!....you are one of those bible hicks right?
seriously. more I learn about it.... like did you know all carbon dating post 1945 is bad now because of the nuke testing and all that? but somehow that didn't effect old carbon?

>>128995527
>the idea a dot mass of everything exploded (for no reason), eventually making human beings with emotions, is ridiculous.

Well when you retardedly simply the fuck out of it like that, yea it does. You just skipped passed 13 billions years of entropy and chemical evolution / cellular mutation like it was a blip lol. I mean, holy fuck. But you're right, it all sounds ridiculous, hence why I still strongly feel like no one has a clue what an of this is. Probably is well beyond our comprehension.

>>128994707
whats that? ARE YOU MOVING THE GOALPOSTSTS YOU COWARDLY LITTLE FUCKER?
I don't care to discuss science or biology with you, because you have shit for brains, and are already telling me what I believe.
Theres plenty of experts in those fields, you go convince them, eh?
Run along now, the adults are speaking.

Sorry, was your only possible argument an attempt to undermine the alternative explanations for life? Because I have a good idea that you don't know shit about science, and I wouldn't ask you.

Getting back to the point away from your failed attempt at a deflection, faith is wholly dishonest, and if I found I held a position for reasons of faith alone, I would be happy to doubt and re-evaluate my stance, based upon the evidence and the explanations that could account for it.
Not just jump to a priori conclusion and pretend 'a wizard did it' serves as ANY KIND of functional explanation of the universe WITH USEFUL PREDICTIVE POWER, because it doesn't explain shit. Even if god 'did it' you still have no fucking clue, so stop pretending.

>>128995705
The scientific method was born out of the minds of men who were devout (see Decarte, Bacon, etc)

Thomas Kuhn also points out in "the structure of scientific revolution" that truly seminal ideas are the result of inspiration, so that should tell you something about how we map our hypothesis out. I trust science, no one gets to leave their brain at the door of the church when they come in... but if you think you are smarter than every Christian ever, your ego might be a bigger issue than you know

>>128991091
Religion has nothing to do with finding out the truth and everything to do with people and their mentality. They want to be assured that their life has meaning and they are part of something greater. Religion gives them that, all the while enforcing a common set of morals that help create group cohesion. It's all just a really clever trick to stop people from being massive dicks to each other.

>>128995039
This, TBHFAM
Nice one American, you have the most vocal assholes in the world, and occasionally the odd paragon of brilliance.

>>128995094
Religion and science are different systems but they can't rule each other. Religion can't say that a scientific result is wrong because of god, and science can't say there is no god and point to the lack of facts.
Science is honest while it work within its system, but it is dishonest if it try to say that religion is false and science is right. Because then it is breaking its own logic.

Same goes for religion when it is working within its domain it is honest. But when it tries to work with the tools of science it becomes dishonest. Facts are not the realm of religion.

Statements are only true within each system.

So yes. It is wrong to use god as an argument about the material world, just like it is wrong to use science as an argument about god.

>>128996009
oh surprise surprise, super atheist doesn't know or care to know about abiogensis but has the answer to life.

Quick, everyone, this faggot has all the answers.

>>128995200
I do understand the term.
I am 40. :) Your move.

>>128996186
But see that's fucking sad. Some people need a crutch to not be a dick, or be righteous and ethical. It just seems like a scapegoat, for ethical and explanatory reasons.

Filling that void of the unknown, because "im scared of not knowing what this is" "if I didn't have religion, I would have shot paco in the face for lulz" Wellp we have the FBI for that son, and we separate church and state for a very valid reason.

>>128995542
... So, you, the THEIST is proposing that, if your god is not real,
...
that (YOUR) life has no meaning?

Interesting. I'm able to construct meaning for my life without any gods devils or magic spirits getting involved in my universe....

>>128995536
>> New Testament says to exile Jews and heathens if they refuse Christ.

>> NT says Jews are of Satan and illustrated the world we live in.

>> NT says absolutely nothing that would benefit the Talmudic Pedophile

>> Blue pilled anon thinks he is a revolutionary for swallowing Jewish load

>>128995248
I would argue that if Buddha really did reach that kind of awareness, he would no longer be a human being and therefor not rules by the same rules as us. I believe that our humanity is the reason for our world.

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>>128991091
Churches acknowledge spirituality can't be institutionalised. It is also said God has no grandchildren, just children. Experience with him is direct.

The way of Christ is a personal one.

What are you proposing? We all make spiritual journeys in a vacuum?

>>128995212
That doesn't answer the question you fucking retard. Half the scientists say those meteorites are contaminated

And the question is

How do amino acids come from non-living matter?

You are dodging the question because you are a kike or a stupid fucking burger

>>128995664
I'm sorry, but I don't speak crazy person.
Were you expecting some kind of reasoned response?
Your model of reality has no predictive value, and this is the nail in the coffin;
Electric TVS and telephones are the fruits of predictive models of reality based in evidence,

'a 'good' life (in service to the religion-meme and its priest propagator caste) in return for your obedience and tithes, and perhaps an afterlife at the end of it, if we're correct, sorry, no cameras allowed' is the fruits of a faith-based predictive model.

Oh yeah, and wars in Palestine and Israel.

Nice model.

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>>128995142
Doesn't even know Nazis were Bible believers.

Fucking American idiot right here

>>128996435
It might be a scapegoat, but why is that a problem? Would you really want to take a crutch away from people who need it and depend on it to function normally? Are you that heartless?

>>128995395
Well you do let it impact your understanding of the world. Else you would be a nihilist and would see no reason having this discussion. And you wouldn't see any point in science or anything.

>>128996751
You are a moron. Talking in fucking circles.

Explain the origin of life. Tell me how a living thing came from a non-living thing

>>128993382
>Science and religion aren't the opposites to each

Well several religions have dogmas that go against scientific knowledge and against logic. The mere fact that a lot of them are strictly anthropocentric is a problem, it doesn't make sense in a world like ours, to have human-like gods living in human-like places, doing human-like things, being there for everyone of us, etc. It's like that only because they are evolved forms of ideas that come from a time where people thought "Earth" was all there is.

>If you don't believe in religion what do you believe? in nihilism?

You can have personal beliefs, a personal view of how things work based on what you know about the universe, something pantheistic, pagan, whatever, it doesn't need to be a religion.

And you don't have to believe in anything, I never understood why you'd need a religion to have values and morals, if you're not dumb or evil by nature (lack of empathy, selfish, sadist) you don't need that to be a good person.
And believing nothing matters and there's no afterlife doesn't make life unenjoyable.

>>128996708
>half
so the other half really has amino acids from space?
>answer the fucking question
I truthfully have no idea where amino acids from space come from, or why they are embedded in non-living matter.

Do you? I'm actually curious now.

>>128996386
STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS YOU COLOSSAL FAGGOT STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT
I'm not discussing science, you can go argue with a scientist, but you can't they'll just call you a faggot, you faggot.
Thats why you replied. Because you're gay for me, and gay for god. You want to prostrate yourself before god, because he's such an alpha.

I didn't bring up abiogenis. Its interesting that it poses a threat to your world view. I take it you believe in a god that just fucking clicked his magic fucking fingers and poofed life into being out of his arse eh?

So how does your worldview explain the cosmic size of the universe, and the relatively inconsequential, by comparison, nature of the planet earth, and, for instance, Israel, in the cosmic vastness of space? I'm curious, but I bet you'll change the faggy fucking subject. Faggot.

Everyone needs a crutch to keep them sane in this cold, uncaring world.

>>128996468
No. I am saying you need to give life a meaning and you therefor need to believe in something. Constructing meaning is the same as constructing a belief.

I am not a theist. Yet.

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>>128996790
Hitler was anti Christian, so were the Nazis. Do you realise the difference between public and private quotes? In Hitler's Table Talk, Hitler condemned Christianity and after becoming leader of Germany, he persecuted the Churches.

You don't seem to know Nazi history or how Joseph Goebbels set up the German Faith Movement to rid Germany of Christianity.

But you're a stupid atheist who thinks the universe came from nothing so facts never were on your side.

>>128996840
>take a crutch away from people who need it
Never said that, that is a projection.

Just asked why, you answered, I took your answer and made my own assessments, it was disappointing, but no, if people need it to be ethically good, then fuck it. I'd rather there be good people with a crutch than bad (weak) people without.

I think it's heartless to need a crutch to be good.

>>128996408
Terms. TERMS, you idiot.
You have already displayed that you do not, because 'you went from being X to being Y', implying that X excludes Y.

You have demonstrated that you don't understand. Why is it my move? Games over dood.

>>128996468
>I'm able to construct meaning for my life without any gods devils or magic spirits
That's the story you tell yourself, the narrative you use to frame your life but it's removed from any historical context so it's ultimately meaningless. You desperately shill for forgetting that context so we can't see you clearly as the servant of Satan you really are, an enemy of mankind. You are possessed by a demon my friend.

>>128991091
>Are they too afraid to admit that human beings have little to no idea what the universe truly is?

That you have to ask yourself, because it is your side pretending they know how the Universe works.

>It's kind of sad people need a crutch to be a morally and ethically good person.

You know, >muh feelz are irrelevant, and observation on human nature is either correct or not. The observation that not only without some form of theism people cannot be "morally and ethically good", but the questions of morality and its distinctions from ethics cannot even be meaningfully discusses at all is correct. The observation that Christianity is the only form of theism that consistently promotes self-questioning on the matter of morality and a culture of guild as opposed to a culture of shame is also correct.

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>>128996708
My bad read your trigger wrong, you said half the SCIENTISTS said they were contaminated. I think that's bullshit though, I took and astrobiology class and they had strong evidence of it. Then again you think college is for retards so, I dunno where you want to go with this. I guess keep using your crutch bro.

>>128991091
fear of the unknown.
that is all.

>>128997384
>That you have to ask yourself, because it is your side pretending they know how the Universe works.

What is my side? I just admitted I had no idea how the universe works.. Neither do you, nor does anyone. We all have no idea what this is... Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Only sides are pretending to know and admitting to not knowing.

So it's impossible that atheism is a crutch so that you can feel superior and not have to think about the consequences of your actions?

>>128996958
As long as they argue from a religious point it is ok. But if they try to use science to support their religious view of the world, they are doing it wrong. To believe something is a particular way is ok since then the system is not violated. But to try to prove your own systems truth with another system is wrong.

I also think there is interesting that they view the world antropocentric, since the world as we see it is indeed a result of our humanness. The objective world is unknown and this world is created by our humanness traits.So anthropocentric is probably a reasonable approach.

Also gods human-likeness is interesting. since, in a way, god is created to our likeness to create us in his likeness. There is a idea hidden there that humanity are the worlds creators.

> it doesn't need to be a religion.
Yes. But it is still a belief on the same level as religion.

>And you don't have to believe in anything
But you do. You have to at least believe that you should avoid pain, so you have to eat. Else you die.

>>128997220
Ok. I thought you ment "red pilled". As meaning goes there is a difference.

>>128997800
I think atheism is a crutch as well, anyone pretending to know what reality or the universe is, is a crutch. Needing to believe in something or not believe in something in order to dictate their ethical actions is a crutch.

Admitting we have no idea what reality is, and still being ethical and righteous, is, in my opinion, someone without a need for a crutch.

>>128993036
>Science is an explanation with factual and proven hypothesis and systematically processed conclusions via peer review and scrutinization.

Kekkity kek. Even jn the areas where scientific fails have swift and obvious RL consequences, like dietology, not merely bad, unproven theories, but outright scams and bullshit may take decades to even be questioned. That's why, by the way, you're now living in the land of obesity, despite not consuming meaninfully more calories per person than in early 1950s, burger. The peer review process is blatantly not working, if it ever was anything but sucking each other's dicks, with 50+% of results from peer-reviewed publications ending up impossible to reproduced.

The assumption that despite all of this, areas of science with no practical application at all in foreseeable future, like astrophysics or paleontology, produce anything but collections of fairy tales, is laughable.

>>128996928
No, I'm not explaining a fucking thing because you don't seem to UNDERSTAND that it detracts from the core of OUR argument;
YOU have some issue with a science based explaination (abiogenisis isnt the only one, you know. Its called a hypothesis, approaching theory with predictions and thus can be disproved).
Theres no point explaining anything AT ALL to you on the topic, when you hold the position that your worldview 'adequately' accounts for the model of reality that you hold.
You know this. There is no scientific explanation, no matter how sound, that would satisfy you, even if we produced it, thats as satisfactory to you as 'a being I don't entirely understand did it', which is probably an accurate depiction of your position.
The problem with this is that you're not acknowledging that you can't provide support for the position you hold, nor describe any kind of mechanism by which this position would impliment itself.
Youve got 'gaps' in your 'explanation' that you wont acknowledge exist.
It doesn't matter what the competing examples are, because you think you can exchange 'one sound theory' for 'another sound theory'
and thats not what this is about.
This is about you abandoning your theory that has 'magic is possible' as part of it, because if you can explain something by magic, you can explain EVERYTHING by magic.
On the other hand, if you want, I can break down something aproaching a model that does in fact make sense;
Do you understand how chlorophil works?
Do you think Algae count as alive? Are they kind of like a self-replicating chemical effect?
Do you grasp the possibility that, if you allow for the possibility of a cell containing the materials to generate a self-replicating chemical equation (sunlight and matter in, growth/reproduction out), you have the building blocks necessary for more complicated colonies of life, and from there, a distinct, philogenetic line of possible variation?

The TL:DR version; if you understand how a plant 'works'

>>128991091
>Are they too afraid to admit that human beings have little to no idea what the universe truly is?

but the atheist are the ones that have fear to admit this.

>>128992184
>I can comprehend not knowing, accept it, and still live my life in the pursuit of happiness and the fun of financial success, while not having a drive to hurt or control others.
Peterson is dead right when he says: but why not? You have this altruistic ethic because you've been conditioned subconsciously in a Christian world. If you don't believe in God but you believe in evolution then you really shouldn't be altrustic, you should be ultra-competitive. Natural selection is nothing but competition among genes, to put it concisely.
>You could destroy all copies of the bible, koran, etc and erase it from everyone's memory, and in 100 years, it would not resurface. Maybe something would come close, but it wouldn't be near the same. On the other hand could destroy all scripture on scientific evidence, erase it from everyones memories, and in 100 years it would all be rediscovered.
You are assuming that science is entirely correct and religion is entirely incorrect and using this as evidence for that opinion. This is a circular argument.
>Science is an explanation with factual and proven hypothesis and systematically processed conclusions via peer review and scrutinization.
Kek, maybe that's its ideal. In reality it's a massive circlejerk, like atheism. It's more centralised and hierarchical and censored than religion has been for a long time. t. ex-scientist
>Existentialism is pretty dead on with how I feel. I believe we are here to experience, and to do it the best we can.
Existentialism is the micronation equivalent of philosophy. Sure, you can make your Kingdom of Anon, but if you ever go up against a real country you're going to get put in handcuffs. Sure, you can create your own ethical system, but you'll die soon while natural selection (or God, or both) will endure. Existentialism is irrelevant. Your opinions are irrelevant.

>>128997708
>I just admitted I had no idea how the universe works.

That did not prevent you from apriori excluding one of the most obvious possibilities that every philsopher worthy of the name in the last 2400 years had at least considered, and most of them accepted.

>>128998085
Good argument, wasn't here to argue science though, I just stated why I thought it was a more structural system of belief as opposed to just outright believing in fairy tales kekekety kek kek.

Not one to bash on a vodka chugger whose country has obviously paved way for modern health, all the while technological and innovational hasn't done shit for the world in the 21st century while being dictatored for 17 (16?) years.. but good point. burger.

We get paid well here in svalley, can't say I've eaten an unhealthy meal for a while now. In fact, we took a lot from your communism and implemented it in our job place. Free food, free gym, free pool, etc. Except it's not just bread and butter being served.

>>128996435
>Some people need a crutch to not be a dick
Just so you know, Christianity teaches that's everyone is a dick. Including Christians. It's called 'total depravity.' Look it up.
>I think atheism is a crutch as well, anyone pretending to know what reality or the universe is, is a crutch.
So what, everyone except 'agnostics' or whatever need a crutch? Everyone except you is weak? You're a man of science anon who values objectivity, does this sound reasonable to you? Or do you think that maybe you're being somewhat subjective? You should reflect on what might be your crutches. I know when I was like you, I leaned on my pride. My pride in myself, my pride in humanity, my pride in our potential as a species. I was 'enlightened by my own intelligence' and the intelligence of those around me. It's not just a meme. Your pride will falter one day though anon. Remember these words on that day: do not despair. Turn to Christ. He is the Resurrection and the Life. In Him you will find true hope. You will find it nowhere else.

>>128991091
F for using crutch like 3 times, read a book burger.

>>128998780
Oh, I'm very proud of our species, I've seen a lot of our 21st century accomplishments made first hand. But thank you for your words of wisdom, christians are taught that everyone is a dick, that's very helpful. Just remember these words: Everyone thats says they know what's going on, really has no idea, and that's OK. They may truly believe they do. But they don't.

>>128998077
>still being ethical and righteous
How do you know you are ethical and righteous? What do these words even mean to you?
>Good argument, wasn't here to argue science though, I just stated why I thought it was a more structural system of belief as opposed to just outright believing in fairy tales kekekety kek kek.
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The rest of this post was just terrible quality newfag reddit spaced shitslinging which was frankly shameful. Everyone hates America and loves Russia you fucking cunt. At least Ivan has some meaning in his life, you're just another wageslave cuck working for (((Zuckerberg))).

>>128999150
>Oh, I'm very proud of our species, I've seen a lot of our 21st century accomplishments made first hand.
>first hand
>bragging about working for twitter on a Sumatran show jumping imageboard.
Kek, how's this cunt. Silicon Valley is a cancer and everything they've produced has sent the world backwards.
>Everyone thats says they know what's going on, really has no idea, and that's OK. They may truly believe they do. But they don't.
What evidence do you have of that? How do you know for sure?

>>128999211
I probably have more contributions to our species than you and Ivan combined, thus purpose?.. and then some. But dope triggered hate post lol. You can hate all you want roo fucker, you'll still be our bitch.. We have a campus in sydney, it was nice, hooked up with 2 of your convict women, blonde ausies are pristine. May have even seeded one lol..

You guys seemed to really like working in tech dunno why you're bitching about it for.

>>128999483
Because no one has convinced me otherwise, hence all the evidence I need. Blatantly it is my opinion, this whole thread was based off of my questions and MY OPINION. Never said I had the answer, in fact I said I didn't. Like literally, first post my down under friend.

Oh yea, svalley is horrible, everything we produce has totally sent us back. I own like 1 thing from australia, it's a bug encased in glass from my trip. You guys do so much.

>Read book on ancient serpent worship
>written by christcuck
>every belief that isn't christian is labeled as superstition
>every instance when a deity talks is considered ventriloquism

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>>129000150
has it ever dawned on you that the only way you can formulate an argument is to lie?

>>129001255

What am I lying about?