70% of Millenials don't have a bachelor's degree or

>>128883381
Wtf? Why do I keep hearing this shit about student loan debt then

>>128883381
Good, the education system is fucked and only teaches you how to be a good slave.

You are a 100% more successful if you devote that time on learning something that you actually love doing. Might be delayed gratification, but I guarantee you will at least not end up as a depressed wage cuck, getting paid just enough to stay alive to keep on working.

Nothing wrong with education though, it's just that what we got from Universities is extremely overrated and the whole concept of getting a higher education is outdated.

>>128883381

good for those who DO have a degree

>>128883573
Here's the more interesting point

66% of highschoolers go on to attend some kind of college

But, less than a third of those actually complete a Bachelor's degree.

So, a lot of kids end up with debt AND no degree apparently.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-so-many-millennials-dropping-out-college-jeff-selingo

>>128883381
You forgot to actually compare this statistic to other generations. As far as I can see it was lower for older generations.

The amount of bachelor's degrees or higher, I mean

>>128886127
True, and an interesting comparison to make.

It IS higher than previous generations.

But, the percentage of people with a highschool diploma is LESS than previous generation.

So Millenials are both higher AND lower educated than previous generations.

>>128883381
Im 32 with just a damn GED. Didnt stop me from making 75k a year as a union autoworker living /comfy/ in the good ol midwest.

>>128883381
bad, trade jobs are still needed and the brain drain will cause critical parts of society to stop working.

>>128883659
100% this

>>128886840
Good job bro

>>128886855
Muh H1B Visa

>>128883381
what age group does this include exactly?

>>128887851
18 to 35.

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>>128883381
https://youtu.be/HEJO8t_wCUQ

>>128888104
Well that's retarded, very few people get a college degree before age 22-23

>>128883381

Good, I think the national average is ~26% maybe?

>>128886445

Hispanics have low high school graduation rates, although they've supposedly been increasing the last few years.

>>128886840

Enjoy it while you can, sooner or later your job's going to either Mexico or Kentucky.

>>128886855

Then make community college free.

>>128888262
They constrain the data, I think it's 25 and up to compensate for that

>>128883381
fucking excellent. i already have a BA and zero debt so that's less competition

>>128884304
lmao dumb faggots

>>128883573
you don't need to have finished college to have student loan debt. a shitton of people drop out

My wife and I are middle class and about to own a home in a good neighborhood. We both have high school educations. I went to community college for a while but never finished.

>>128884304
A lot go to cc to get a 2-year degree too.
The issue ties back to fuck-awful high schools in America.

New York State just put into law that if you meet the certain requirements financially they will pick up the tab on any city or state school if you maintain a full time schedule. For every year of college you attend on the state some you must stay and work in new york State after.

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>>128883659
>tfw enjoy screaming facts about jews, their iq is trash, how feminism sucks and more ranting to people, destroying them.
>feel deep satisfaction afterwards unlike any other activity

>>128883381
Good, we don't need idiots with degrees, and we need blue collar too.

>>128888343
gotcha, 30% seems pretty good to me. You can still get a good job with an associates or some other type training. Plus not everyone needs a degree, idk how stuff like apprenticeships and such factor in

>>128883381
This actually seems pretty normal, college educated people are supposed to be few in number, otherwise college is basically just high school 2.0

>>128883381
Why get a degree from an overpriced propaganda house.

>>128883381
>70% of Millenials don't have a bachelor's degree or higher.

Great, 70 % of millennials will vote for Trump.

>>128889561
>swede post best post

>>128883381
I don't even have a high school diploma. I dropped out in 2004 to shitpost full time.

>>128883381
Good, if you can't complete a nu-degree you don't deserve to be alive. Fucking idiots, I swear.

>>128889561

Only the whities without a bachelor's degree, there's not that many of them as previous and half them will OD on fentanyl anyway.

>>128889365
The problem is so few students graduating are worth anything in the work world.

If everyone has a degree, no-one does.
The only way to get more people with degrees is to lower the standards. If most people have a degree it will just become the minimum requirement to get a job just like highschool.

>>128883659
>wage cuck

Yeah for like 3 years and then you get raises because you're not a 100 IQ retard and you singlehandedly start to make money for your company and demand higher salary/promotions.

If you're working retail you're a wage cuck and you should kill yourself if you're not a teenager so a teenager can take the job. If you get a degree and use it to make a career and push for raises instead of just holding a job you can very easily support a family on single income.

>>128889365
People also overvalue non-stem degrees (and a few stem degrees like computer science) as a whole.
>English degree.
or
>9 weeks with Mavis Beacon and high school graduate literacy.
Guess who's more useful in an office environment 9/10 times.

>>128890282
that's nice, but the reality is people are living for a long time and sitting in those good career positions, which forces more people to work in shit like retail and be unable to support a family

and for the record, I have a career and support my family on one income but I'm not so deluded to think everyone can achieve that

>>128890131
This is why I kinda like the american higher education system. If you choose to get a worthless degree you at least have to pay for it yourself (mostly).
If you study for example art in germany everyone else pay´s for it. Wich invalidates the argument that the state benefits from subsidising higher education due to higher taxes being payed lateron in life because as an artist you are poor as fuck.

>>128884304

it shocks me to learn how many fucking people drop out of college

I'm doing a hard science and while its difficult at times (sleeping three/four hours at night during exam week) overall its pretty fucking easy

I'm doing "research" right now as I type this.. slow day

>>128890800
I have a STEM degree, it actually wasn't THAT expensive. I payed a little while still in school, so by the time I graduated I was on the hook for 36k, which is reasonable in my opinion.

Of course, if I just continue to pay the minimum, I will pay $300/mo for the next 120 months.

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>>128891052
>already got 60k in debt
>considering masters degree or med school

Am I fucking up?

>>128890598
Lmfao if someone can get a degree but can't get a job they either got the wrong degree or they're retarded. I work in production accounting at 26 for an international company and make above median household income with a History degree. I've got basically the same degree as the kids screaming about how they can't get a job with their degrees.

If someone is smart enough to get a degree they can get a decent job if they're willing to conform to an office environment. Otherwise they should just figure out what they're good at that actually provides a service and do that. This shit is a lot less complex than people make it out to be.

>>128891262
Do you have a 145+ IQ?

>>128891262
Don't do med school if you just want money, it's hard work and takes life long commitment. If you genuinely enjoy it, go for it and you won't give a shit about debt. Also, if you work in under served areas you'll get substantial debt forgiveness.

Also, if you do a Master's program, don't do hard sci. I know a lot of former grad students with no real careers out of it. If you DO a Master's, focus on business or tech, nothing else, unless you aren't in it for money. Then just follow your little heart anon.

>>128883381
Probably bad, but I can't afford an education. Learned to program from home instead. These days you can learn nearly anything if you're dedicated (and have high enough IQ).

>>128891381

Not sure. I've always been "bright" but I'm somewhat lazy (working on it).

What does IQ have to do with that though? Its probably somewhere ~125

>>128891052
Good to hear that.
Higher eduction is not a right but an investment.

>>128888327
Were actually taking jobs from mexico and bringing them back here. Ford is atleast, i cant say about the others.

>>128891551

I just want a high paying job desu. I might be able to join the military and have them pay for my education in exchange for 4 years of service

>>128891617
Typically the higher your IQ as a doctor, the better off you will be. I think other poster wanted to warn you: "Don't go into a field where you will be the dumbest person in the room", which is really good advice.

>>128883381
>drop out of college
>move back home
>play video games and party like you're still in college
>lack ambition to find work

>>128891825
Ok, then tech it is. Look into Data Science master's programs, avg starting salary for a Data Scientist in my area is 160k. Git gud with Hadoop and some kind of object oriented language like Java/Python.

>>128891303
oh you're only talking about degree holders, well yeah. Keep in mind that our entire generation was basically told you have to go to college, and then they did those stupid ass tests telling you what to be based on your personality and such. There was very little focus on career prospects. Not making excuses, but I was a fucking dumbass at 18 and those are some long-term decisions being made that are now biting a lot of people in the ass. They taught us how to pass the tests but nothing about finances

>>128891883
If your IQ is 125 you are more suited to computer science or maybe some engineering. Though yes, whether you would actually like these things also matters.

>>128891617
Anything below 140 would require a pretty hard look at what your natural talents lean toward before making a decision like med school/grad school. They're fucking expensive and if you're not extremely good at that field you'll have a hard time competing.

If you have a natural proclivity for hard work and you can grasp the concepts in that material well then go for it, but don't fall for the postgrad meme just because you want to do a certain type of work or you're having a hard time finding a job.

Being a doctor is fucking difficult and you have to be either really good and really like having a lot of money and not mind working your ass off even after school to keep learning or you have to be obsessed with helping people.

>>128892053
>avg starting salary for a Data Scientist in my area is 160k. Git gud with Hadoop and some kind of object oriented language like Java/Python.

These jobs typically to go H-1B's for half of what is offered or less.

>>128892053
"Data Science" is such a fucking meme, expect it to be overflooded by pajeets in no time

>>128889783

This. The day I got my bachelors was the day I lost respect for everyone with one. If you are too stupid to get through modern college you are subhuman

>>128883381
No point in getting a degree unless you're an unbearlable liberal shill who is willing to put up with more shit than you can imagine, trust me on this. ALL important positions in all business are controlled by rampaging inbred liberals. The Arts are dead too by the way, all theaters and galleries are utterly locked down. Don't waste your time in "university" Get a job instead, you'll be better off.

I fell for the business and STEM memes as I have two undergraduate degrees. Feels bad man.

>>128883381
The problem isn't how many don't have a degree (although that is a part of it), it's how many rack up student loan debt trying to get a degree, quit because it's too hard, and then can't find jobs that can pay off their debt because they don't have degrees.

>>128892626
I don't know about it being a meme, it's going to be a necessary skill. Every company has massive data stores at this point, and it will continue to grow. Machine learning as well.

But yes, pajeet is a problem.

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>>128890348
The 18 yr old with 2 years of work experience.

>>128892097
Nobody ever taught anyone about finances. People forever have just figured it out. The difference is that young adults today work less before school and tend to hold fewer responsibilities so the transition is harder. It's a combination of lazy parenting and lazy kids who rely on public support.

I do think one of the big issues now is that human society is orienting itself to become more and more complex, even working fast food requires a fairly developed knowledge of working a specialized computer system which is tough for people at like 85-90 IQ. Those are the people being shut out of the workforce. They used to just be able to mine coal or do some very basic job, but those industries are dying out with manufacturing of machinery to do that job for them. I mean, roughly 50% of the people in the world are sub 100 IQ and the workplace is a really difficult environment for those people now.

>>128884304
Never knew that

I teach chemistry up to A-level, and even in a good school the majority of kids just lack the ability to do STEM at university, but they're all pushed towards uni as their end goal. This is why so many take a soft degree or drop out. New Labour pushed this idea that 50% of people should go to uni, well 50% of people just don't have it in them. Further, most of these people don't need a degree for the jobs they later go into, it's just a farce to keep them out of unemployment or on tax credits because wages are low and many jobs are not full time.

>tfw I flunked out of college

I'm sorry bros

>>128894193
I flunked out twice but they kept letting me back in. I eventually just got sick of it and finished the degree lol

>>128894415
I can get back in spring but I don't know how to deal with the debt

pretty scared desu

>>128894537
How expensive is your tuition?

Honestly, your best option is to just finish the degree dude. Look into internships, get a job on campus, do something to help finance it.

Are you a sophomore or higher? Hate your major?

>>128890953
Agreed. I do my work in between matches while playing games every once in a while. I find my work more enjoyable since I'm not staring at the work for hours. I don't always do this but it definetely helps when you've been pulling all nighters for more than 3 days.

Some people cant handle the workload. As one of the electrial engineering professors at my college put it, you suffer for 4+ years to get the degree and after that its mostly smooth sailing. I actually dropped out for a year but now I'm back at it and I really understood what he meant. People just give up to easily (at least in my country)

>>128892798
Move to the US, get into Biotech or Pharmaceuticals

I just grabbed my B.S. at 26, after 8 years of idiocy like most of my peers. I played it safe at the beginning, working retail part time and taking community college classes part time, mostly figuring out what I wanted to do. I only transferred to a 4 year once I absolutely knew what I wanted to do. I shadowed the field, volunteered, researched, interviewed other people going into it. Spent 6 years at a CC and 2 years at a 4 year with less than 4k in debt.
My profession requires me to go onto a graduate program, but I'm very apprehensive. I'm taking a year off to work at the lowest rung to really make sure I can do it. If not, I'll go into sales or politics.

>>128894886
I was a first semester junior when I flunked. was doing CS, a mix of bad teachers, laziness, getting megacucked by group projects, and poor class choices fucked me.

I want to go back in but I'm 37k in debt, and need to take CC to be let back in. Would I even be accepted as an intern in my state?

>>128895362
Seems impossible because I'm not American or willing to go to grad school.

>>128883573
>goes to college
>gets loans
>drops out/fails out
>student debt doesn't magically disappear because you fucked up
That's how. A lot of old bachelor jobs require a masters now to be competitive for that matter. Got mine in ChemE all the same

>>128895816
Depending on your location, yes. I wasn't even a CS major and I got responses from tech companies for internships, not like Microsoft/Google but startups and such.

BUILD ANYTHING AND PUT IT ON GITHUB.

Webscraping, blackjack, guess the number, use bootstrap and make some website layouts, just stupid shit like that.

Compile a set of projects that show you know basic syntax and can string together some shit.

>>128888805
Unless that 2 year is a trade/certification, its borderline useless

>>128892798
Have a kiss babe
>bccccchhhhhaw
>>128883381
To all y'all in debt or need money;
>hired by state to cull certain species
>hired by private property owners to eradicate pest (small and large)
>growing one mid-tier cannabis plant to be harvest takes about 4 months with the value of approximately $1.7k per plant
>class A or B license for transportation or shuttling people or cargo
>train in smog check
>delivering weed (in legal states)
>making hash
>forestry (private and/or public)
There are actually a lot of jobs thst absolutely pay more than double minimum wage at minimal. The catch is, ya might have to uproot and travel far. Choices, choices, choices.

>>128896328
Yeah my plan right now is to scrape by on my payments with a shit job, guess I'll build up a portfolio in my spare time

>>128896766
Seriously work on some stuff. CS is the one major you can literally get some skill, drop out, and be successful if you can continue to learn and apply.

But you need to keep learning and applying anon.

If you were talkative with any of your professors, they are great resources for internships/jobs/advice.

>>128897655
All my CS profs were incredibly indian/Chinese and hardly spoke English, so never really interacted with them much

Sucks to suck I guess

>>128897907
Well you've gotta do something lad, don't get sucked into a shit job you can't escape.

>>128897907
Should have switched majors like I did when all my economics professors were Chinese and Indians.

Glad the Accounting and Finance professor were white with one exception of him being Latino.

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>>128898820
The plan is to avoid that hopefully

maybe I should just find a rich milf to marry

>>128890953
>it shocks me to learn how many fucking people drop out of college
That's because the average person isn't suited for academics and should be working a trade instead. Where'll they become experienced and knowledgeable with time and practice.

This idea that absolutely everybody needs or benefits from tertiary education is a stupid meme.

>>128899103
I wanted to switch but I'm a pussy who let my parents bully me into my education choices

Really wish I had taken a year off from HS to figure out what I really wanted to do before I got in debt with nothing to show for it

If I'm too dumb to be part of the economy I'm fully entitled to neetbux

Good for me I guess. BSc in applied physics, will go for masters tho.

>>128899403
Sorry but blue collar jobs are being done by immigrants or being automated.

They are better off living on welfare.

>>128899884
>BSc in applied physics

Sounds meme-ish, whats the difference with a normal bs in physics?

I feel bad since they (NY) just made tuition free for SUNY AND CUNY for 2 and 4 year degrees.

>>128894537
>>128894193
Just do it senpai. You started--now finish. Bust your academic nut

>People just give up to easily (at least in my country)
True. I'm now pushing myself to develop my skills and excel. Sadly public education never taught me that.

>>128899403
>This idea that absolutely everybody needs or benefits from tertiary education is a stupid meme.

That is true; but, blue collar work that pays a living wage (for a family) is hard to come by

>>128904743
I want to senpai, but it's hard when you're having to deal with debt at the same time

>>128904743
I know a 19 year old that earns 40/hr doing night construction. It's hard if you do some shit job for women, like retail and food services. Actual trades pay good money for little investment.

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>>128883381
Got a mechanical engineering degree, I really had troubles with the educational system here, but didnt think that the math was hard or anything.

I think alot of ppl drop out because of they find it hard to conform themselves with the educational system.

I'm 25 at the moment.

Should I go for a degree in cybersecurity or learn a trade?

>>128883381
Maybe they're understanding that education is useless

>>128883381
I never understood why my classmates in highschool all wanted to go into ludicrous debt just so they can earn qualifications so they can jobs working for other people and companies that mostly don't come close to 6 figures.

I graduated highschool in 2012 and started working full time at a minimum wage job. But I saved like a motherfucker. By mid 2016 I had about 45 thousand saved up and decided to open my business. So far my business has been a huge success and I plan on opening up another branch on the other side of town in a year or two.

My contemporaries are struggling to find jobs in their fields, and are saddled enormous debt.

I'm already earning more than my parents ever did, and I'm my own boss. I never wanted to work for someone else after spending my entire childhood watching my parents work full time jobs for massive companies that paid them a pittance compared to the money their positions generated.

I'm not saying don't go to school, and you shouldn't strive for that career you've always wanted, but there's opportunity everywhere if you're willing to work for it and have a shred of entrepreneurial spirit.

tl;dr why go to school just so you can work for someone else when you can work for yourself? Open your own business.

>>128910801
What's your business

>>128883381
GOOD! MEAN'S I'M GONNA BE RICH AS FUCK !!!

>>128907278
Cybersecurity.

Trades are fine, but they fucking wreck your body in the majority of cases.

At least a degree allows your more freedom as you age. You need to think long term, in the ideal situation that you reach 50, would you rather have a busted body and no options, or 50 and tons of opportunities based on a diverse background?

>>128891262
med school is hard and expensive. You don't give a shit about medicine and you'll just burn out in a few years and overprescribe to patients just to get them to shut the fuck up and be miserable.

>>128883381
Don't a large percent of that group tend to be currently in college or not old enough to attend?

Almost 0% of 27 year olds are retired!

>>128912322
A percent, but not the majority. The group not old enough to attend is gen z

This is yet another reason why that Gen Z is going to be more powerful and profitable than the Millenial generation.

But to be completely honest, one of the reasons why there's so many drop-outs is the ready access to financial aid. Students that shouldn't even be in college in the first place, are taking classes that they're not ready for(thus dragging down the standards of education)

>>128913684
Gen Z just gets to enjoy a better economy.

Millenials dealt with Bush, 9/11, War, Crash, Obama.

Z gets Trump.

>>128883381
Source faggot