Do you /catholic/ bros just pretend or do you actually study

>>128806356
How do I figure out which Saint is watching over me? Or rather my personal patron saint?

>>128806356
>>>/x/ is over there

>>128806356
Is that your book OP?

Which Lives of the Saints book is the best?

Never forget that the light of the saints shines before men, through their deeds we are exposed to virtue and perennial fountains of progress in perfection as well as a wealth of knowledge.

>>128806475
Tell me something about yourself

>>128806749
Yes, inherited from my grandmother who is a saint in her own right and has an encyclopedic knowledge of our faith.

I know pretty much everything OP. What is your Saint name, mine is nick.

>>128807231
My grandmother has always prayed to Gonzaga, patron of students, on my behalf. Even being a young professional, I still consider him my patron saint because there is always something new to learn. My first name is Mark after the apostle. Middle and preferred name is Patrick, after the saint who I also follow given my heritage and his teachings.

>>128807638
So gonzaga is your patron saint from when you got confirmed?

Some people may say that you should only pray to Christ but all Saints are an immatation of his image, reflecting the virtues and perfections of our savior.

>>128807638
Interesting btw, my cousins first and middle name is also Mark Patrick

>>128807977
No, I chose St. Mark.

>>128806356
Saint Martin Luther is the only one I care about besides the disciples.
>>128806612
Enjoy your depressive atheistic hell kike.

>>128808499
Congrats on being the first prod of the thread

>>128808385
I'm confused. Is your name mark and Saint name mark also? (Saint name is patron saint you chose)

>>128808840
Correct. I am named after my father and as a junior I went by my middle name, which was Patrick. So I chose mark for saint name because I wanted to use my first name for once, plus Mark wrote the second gospel...

>>128809641
Ok lol. Got it. I chose Nicholas

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>>128806356
If your American it only makes sense that you should be Mormon! you can be part of the church and still fuck like a china man and potential have multiple wives

>>128808499
>Enjoy your depressive atheistic hell kike
proofs?

A prayer for young anons to Gonzaga, the patron of Catholic Youths. This may help you more than you expect

O most glorious Saint Aloysius, who hast been honored by the Church with the fair title of "angelic youth," because of the life of utmost purity thou didst lead here on earth, I come before thy presence this day with all the devotion of my mind and heart. O perfect exemplar, kind and powerful patron of young men, how great is my need of thee! The world and the devil are trying to ensnare me; I am conscious of the arbor of my passions; I know full well the weakness of inconstancy of my age. Who shall be able to keep me safe if not thou, O Saint of angelic purity, the glory and honor, the loving protector of youth? To thee, therefore, I have recourse with all my soul, to thee I commit myself with all my heart. I hearby resolve, promise and desire to be especially devout toward thee, to glorify thee by imitating thy extraordinary virtues and in particular thy angelic purity, to copy thy example, and to promote devotion to thee among companions. O dear Saint Aloysius, do thou guard and defend me always, in order that, under thy protection and following thy example, I may one day be able to join with thee in seeing and praising my God forever in heaven. Amen

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popery is for bonafied cucks!

Catholic bro reporting in.

>>128811864
>not taking into account the lives of great men who put something larger than themselves first

Weak cunt

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I started reading pic related last night. Highly recommend this for anyone getting started with Catholicism. I'm confirmed but never payed attention in Catholic school. Regret it tbqh

>>128812095
Welcome anon, I encourage you to pray to our patron saint of catholic youth, Gonzaga.

>>128806356
Who will help me if I want to stop masturbating?

>>128807009
What do you want to know?

>>128812400
a girlfriend

>>128812248
Lol. They have that online too. Pope John Paul 2nd wrote it right? It's a good read

>>128812248
Why not read The Bible?

>>128812450
I mean realistically though

>>128812436
What are you struggling with in life? What are your prayers?

>>128812633
Well, a lot to be honest with you. Do you mind if I go on a little bit of a long spiel?

>>128812450
As I mentioned many times in this thread, Gonzaga is the patron of Catholic youth and probably your best bet.

>>128812720
No, anon. Go ahead

>>128812539
Good question, Catholicism existed for over a thousand years before the Bible was first written so there is a lot of tradition from the mass and other aspects of the faith not covered in the Bible. The Bible is a must read too.

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>>128806356
The Roman Catholic Church has the keys to the kingdom of Heaven locked away from all of it's believers. The vatican is literally the belly of the beast (crowned serpent) full of dead sheep.

>>128812919
The key is accepting Christ and following his example, which is why we revere the saints.

>>128812193
Fuck you! You're the weak one. I have done my research. There is no solid evidence at all for popery. Peter was not the first pope.

The vatican is nothing but a bunch of pedophiles who try to usurp the authority of Jesus Christ.

Not to mention the current pope is a stupid ass idiot cuck liberal.

>>128812400
st francis of assisi used to strip naked when he wanted to beat off and dive into briar bushes to lacerate his flesh and cause him pain till his horniness passed
isn't mental illness grand?

>>128806356
Niggers are the reason I abandoned religion.
Worthless subhumans that proves evolution is real.

>>128812627
Decapitation of the hands

>>128812822
Well, I'm unbaptized to start with. I hope this doesn't cause a problem. I believe in all the tenets but my local churches have been less than unhelpful in my attempts to join the Church.

Anyway, I struggle a lot with temptation for lust and drugs. I can't help but stare at women lustfully, committing adultery as Jesus says. I recently stopped doing drugs (weed, psychedelics, etc) but the temptation is still there.

I struggle a lot with our future, and my personal future. Our future being the future of our people, and our religion. I fear that the European races will lose complete faith in God and we will be overwhelmed, and I'm afraid of the corruption of Christianity. My personal future, I have no idea what I wish to do. I want to get married, and I want to have kids, and I want to set myself up good so that way I can provide for them a good life.

I pray for a soulmate, one that worships and loves God as much as I do, and one that is traditionally minded, beautiful, fit, and compliments me in every way.

I struggle a lot with anger and wrath too, which I struggle very much to control.

>>128813136
Peter was the first pope though

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>>128813214
Forgot pic.

>>128806356
Matthew 23:9

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

Exodus 20:4

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"

>>128812919
Still only see a penis

>>128806356
What did Thomas Acquinas do? Why is he referenced in Deus Ex?

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>>128813136
Meanwhile in early christians

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/pol/ should read what Catholics around the world believe about Muslims. Taken right from the Catechism (the word means "instruction")

Line 841

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>>128813432
Meanwhile in early christianity

>>128813432
Neither of which are even kind of relevant to this.

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>>128813432
Meanwhile in Paul

>>128813136
Anon, it is ok. Real men did great things, including sacrificing their own lives, to support a cause they believed in. We should easily relate to this. Please, no need to resort to profanity and exclamations. I can't debate particulars of theology, only offer the dedication of man to God's Will

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>You will know them by their fruits

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>>128813842
Protestants DONT know God will

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>>128813904
Dam

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Doesn't the 27 characteristics of The Anti-christ fit the papacy of rome perfectly?

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>>128813955
Wiw

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>>128814009
It fits Protestabtism properly

>>128813586
What does any of this crap have to do with treating a "saint" as though they were God through prayer?

>>128813754
Idol worship is very relevant here. It is only appropriate to pray to God.

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>>128814110
The early christians prove this

>>128806356
I don't believe in fairytales.

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>>128814157
It isn't but it by your logic violate the commandment prohibiting images

Oops the early Christians just committed idolatry

And here, an early christian worshipping Mary by your logiv

>>128814110
I don't know anything about that P word you just said.

>>128806356
Who is the saint for type 1 diabetics?

>>128813313
Goodness, that's pretty common stuff anon. Sounds like your self denial is there though. Wrath is not yours, you attempt chastity at least, and struggle with lust (luxury , drug, carnal). Stay strong.

Met a couple catholic priests for the first time over the last weekend. Kind of spooked me desu. They came on a little strong and they seem to have a very straight forward and un-nuanced belief in every single superstition. One of them closed his eyes and started talking to a dead saint in the middle of our conversation.

Still think the faith is for me though, I'll just have to accept that priests are weird

>>128806356
Catholicism is a conversion of roman polytheism. you pray to saints because Romans used to pray to the roman gods monotheism in there minds is inferior and the only way to make them believe was to have multiple saints added over a period of time. Be wary of the catholic religion. Worshiping of saints and praying to Mary is idolatry. Dont let them trick you into thinking you cant speak to God yourself. God wants you to have a personal relationship with his son Jesus Christ. God made himself human in the form of Jesus so that he could be with us
and struggle with us. Jesus Knows the suffering of humans and the struggle. he wants to be a part of your life. Castholicism wants you to thing you're not worthy to talk to God. Yet Jesus washed the feet of his disciples as if he was a servant. God is worth of our love. don't shut him out over traditions. Read a bible without a catholic agenda. Jesus paid the ultimate price for your sins! no priest can save you but Jesus

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>>128814359
All the early Christians deny the five solaes

Deal with it

>>128813557
You cannot know the father without the son.

>>128814157
We're not praying TO saints. Just invoking them and asking them to pray for us.

>>128814504
This is saint worship from martyrdom of Polycarp

Chapter 13. The funeral pile is erected

This, then, was carried into effect with greater speed than it was spoken, the multitudes immediately gathering together wood and fagots out of the shops and baths; the Jews especially, according to custom, eagerly assisting them in it. And when the funeral pile was ready, Polycarp, laying aside all his garments, and loosing his girdle, sought also to take off his sandals,— a thing he was not accustomed to do, inasmuch as every one of the faithful was always eager who should first touch his skin. For, on account of his holy life, he was, even before his martyrdom, adorned with every kind of good. Immediately then they surrounded him with those substances which had been prepared for the funeral pile. But when they were about also to fix him with nails, he said, Leave me as I am; for He that gives me strength to endure the fire, will also enable me, without your securing me by nails, to remain without moving in the pile.

>>128814534
I still don't know what your talking about. I was raised with mormons.

>>128806356
Daily reminder that Jews and Muslims are your brothers in Christ and worship the same God as you.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

>But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,

>>128814351
If they were worshipping statues of Paul or Mary then they completely missed the point of the entire Bible. Probably because they never read it. Just like most Catholics.

>>128814699
Mormons are morons

Like all Protestant

>>128806356
I feel like this is a trap. This board feels very trollable....are you trying to get me to make fun of you?
There is no Trinity, Sabbath is Saturday, and there is no sacrament in the Bible.
Cut back on the flesh and blood, and read the Bible more.
Seriously you guys, get over yourselves, we're allowed to own Bibles now. We all know.
https://youtu.be/pIgZ7gMze7A

>>128806356
I remember I was in a book store once and cam across a hard cover of that book with some of the nicest illustrations. I was going to buy it but instead bought some other book that I reallly wanted to read. I can't remember what book it was but now I wish I had bought the book of the saints.

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>>128813313
>>128813313
>>128813313
>>128813313
Anon thank you for taking to the time the time to type this out.

You are not alone and I am sure many of the posters on this site have faced the same dilemmas.

A priest is a great resource but a hard place to start. If you truly struggle with substance abuse and feel it must be addressed I strongly suggest Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous. I myself am in recovery. Ease into your recovery.

Do not pray put of fear or desire. Simply pray for the strength to fulfill God's will.

You will be ok anon. Grab a bible and read, get a book on saints and consult a priest when you are ready.

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>>128814504
>>128814679
Oy Vey!

>>128814659
Exactly. "Hail Mary, full of grace. PRAY FOR US sinners..."

>>128806356
St. Joseph. Working man's saint. Stay faithful brothers.

>>128814741
He aint

But he is saying Mary is the cause of salvation

Protestantism have zero basis in history

>>128806475

Don't forget, you, and everyone (including non-Christians) has a guardian angel personally appointed for you by God.

That's Catholic dogma.

You can talk or pray to your guardian angel, and ask him to help you (I suppose angels don't technically have a gender - they are spiritual beings - but I think of them as male).

>>128814504
>have to have a personal relationship

Source?

>>128806356
Polytheistic hogwash on top of stolen paganism.

>>128814910
>I suppose angels don't technically have a gender - they are spiritual beings
Daily reminder that christcucks believe in transgenderism.

>>128814947
Source?

Protestant hating the early Christians

I really don't understand you guyd

You want us to seriously start praying to saints (not biblical whatsoever), give up fapping and sex, reading muh catechism

/pol/ needs a catholicuck purge

>>128806356
>asking saints for help
literal heresy
you should only be praying to God

>>128814995
Explain

"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

>>128814750
Why do these Protestants give you such an erection? Were you molested by one as a child and like it?

>>128814816
im not lutheran senpai. im non denominational. i dont let religions denominational traditions get in the way of God. like most denominations do.

>>128806475
Both the patron saint of your birthday and baptism day.
t. Saint Lawrence of Brindisi and S. Ambrosius.

>>128814758
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>>128806612
this.

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>>128815041
Protestants hate the bible

Ecplain that

>>128815045
Meanwhile in early Chridtian >>128814679

>>128814504
Most catholics place no priest over them other than ceremonially, it's the church as a whole they adore. Does a man have to rubber stamp your faith to officially validate your salvation? No.

>>128813459
Good question, anon. Not up to date on him personally but definitely an individual worth learning more about

>I hate saint worship
Meanwhile in Acts 5

12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

The power of shadow

>>128812400

Receive the sacraments regularly. Try to attend daily Communion, if you possibly can.

The grace of the sacraments will go a long way in helping you, but it's a challenge to put away masturbation and pornography, as I'm sure many on /pol/ can testify.

>>128813904
Yes that is why we are discussing Catholicism

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>>128815108
>non-denominational
Ughh. You guys are a ton of cringe. if it's not a mormon or a Jehovah, then it's a non-denominational nancy intruding themselves into my fucking daily life. Seriously, no one is buying your crap just because you say you don't belong to a single denomination. It is literally the most repulsive crap out there, even worse than scientology in my estimation, because at least they have the honesty and decency to say that, "yeah, this is who we are." So you can fuck off and have a good day, faggot.

I am curious about Catholicism, can one of you please explain what the word Sabbath means, and its origins?
What day of the week is it?
In Hebrew, it's Shabbat.
What day is that?

>>128814735
Jews are 99% atheist, I've never met one who literally believed the torah.

Muslims believe, but we're tricked by jews into plagiarized versions of the NT and OT and worshipping a warlord as equal to Christ. They are the worst of tragedies.

>>128815796
It means the day you eat shit

>>128814659
Exactly. Saints are advocates. We seek mercy and they help plead our case

>>128815309
Also, Catholics confess to priests, who are men, because early Christians confessed to Jesus (who was also part man). This is in contrast to Protestants which think you should only confess your sins in prayer to God.

>>128814947
"What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all — how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?" Romans 8:31-32

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28

"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand." Isaiah 41:10

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

"But you, Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness." Psalm 86:15
"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38-39

Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.

Hebrews 13:5 I will never fail you.I will never abandon you.

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>>128815680
wrong pic.pic related is more akin to the truth

>>128814844
Good contribution, brother.

>>128815963
Catholics just role-play. It's all carnal and goes against the teachings of Jesus.

>>128815963
Maybe because Jesus was God? Checkmate catholicuck

>>128816158
But the church is a community of God as well, everyone in the church is like a piece of God.

>>128806475
For me I just picked one of the most based saints and started asking him to intercede for me.

Saint John Paul the Great is my confirmation saint. At the time, Blessed John Paul II

>>128815796
Sabbath for Jews was Saturday, for Catholics it's Sunday because it was traditionally the day of Pentecost, 50 days after Easter the disciples were gathered around in meeting and met Jesus and the first mass... and so was born the Catholic Church, this was believed to be on a Sunday.

Also, it's not required for it to be on an exact date for Catholics, just as long as we set aside a day to worship we are good. it's just traditionally Sunday.

>>128815045
You ask the saint to appeal to God on your behalf while meditating on the real world suffering endured for the faith. Saints are a light in the darkness.

>>128815879
OK. Seems severe. Another question: Can you tell me where the scripture is located, where Jesus commands a sacrament?
C'mon you guys, this is a Catholic thread, I'm curious. Thinking of joining. Don't you have to tell me? Aren't Christians commanded to teach the heathens?
Here I am.
Teach. I have so many questions.

>>128816065
Besides not believing in the Holy Trinity, what do Orthodox believe in?

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>>128806356
After being witness to the LARPing neopagans for the past few days I've been pretending less. I realized I sure as hell don't want to turn into something like them (turning religion into a utilitarian exercise). Going to attend mass tomorrow, pray for me anons

>>128815963
Confession is to your brother in the church.

>>128815836
>being this cucked

>>128815309
I dont know what you are talking about XD. jesus validated my faith boyo not some guy with a stamp what you mean??

>>128816420
But you can talk to God directly. No need for a middle man. It's not biblical, and some random high up officials coming up with new rules hundreds of years after Jesus' death doesn't change that

>>128806356
This is /pol/ you fucking wetbrain, religious fucko. Jesus, I knew religious folk were fucking retarded, but there's a place for this shit, and it ain't here.

>>128815963
He was the Son of Man. He was all of us.

>>128816616
Yeah, that too.

>>128816449
Lots of Buddhist stuff in eastern religions like nirvanna and all the relic idol worship and chanting, all their art work is eastern too.

>>128816356
I thought honoring the Sabbath, was one of GODS Commandments.
I keep hearing this phrase, "Catholics, are taught...blah" What does this mean?

>>128812471
It is a collection of Canon law and dogma. It is the church's equivalent to the US Constitution. I'm sure some stuff was added with JP2 but it wasn't written by him.

>>128813557

So the Pope is in on the multicultural white genocide buisiness. :( thought he only supported it to be nice and caring, but mixing all nations to form one community seems to be part of the Catholic plan.... hmmm.

>>128816548
And any good Catholic does appeal to God directly. But that does not exculde reverence to his servants.

>>128813459
He is the greatest, or one of the greatest theologians (along with St. Augustine) in Church history.

>>128814659
And what does the Bible say about communicating with the dead?

>>128812539
We do. But one of the things I admire about Protestants is their ability to quote scripture really well. For Catholics it is not the only written law we adhere to. Although it is still very important and the baseline on which all future dogma was written.

What's with all the hostility you guys, serious?

>>128816492
Why has there been such a sudden influx? We had some resident LARPers and Vargcucks but nothing too big.

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>>128806356

Mossad, the paid Catholic shills, and the Paid Russian Orthodoxy shills push this... All of these groups = the Alt-Right meme.


The "elite" is code for Jews and their blackmailed sociopath pedophiles (Hillary's mom was a Jew). Because Jews run a child sex slave ring out of Ukraine/Israel and sometimes South America (see Hatti and Clintons) and use pedophiles as their boot-licking goy politicians/celebrities.

They use the symbolism of the occult because it's a marketing campaign to cover up for Zionist and Jewish Communist crimes/power moves. The occult became degenerate as fuck ever since Thelema (Alestor Crowley), Anton (((Levy))) of Hollywood Satanism, and Navy Intelligence groups took over the scene; although it was always a place for scam artists. Freemasons became corrupted after being bought out by Jews in the mid-1800s -- thanks to Napoleon emancipating the Jews and the Rothschild take over Britain with the fall of Napoleon (See Rothschild's run on the stocks after Battle of Waterloo)

Catholics and Russians are both pro-Communism and therefor cover for them too by telling you it's "Satanists" and not Jewish Communists and their Zionist mafia allies. This is something the John Birch Society did when re-inventing the "Illuminati" meme (see Alex Jones connection).

Moloch = word meaning KING (Assyrian)

Moloch propaganda = Jewish hate of enemy king, like they do to Assad

's'atan = Aramaic word meaning "adversary", any adversary, or many adversaries.

Satan the character = Catholic meme to demonize our ancestral gods and dumb down Bible references for stupid plebeian audiences.

Synagogue of Satan = Pro-Roman Jews. Jesus was a Zealot.

Lucifer = Morning Star
Jesus = Morning Star
Luciferians = Christian monks who pissed off the Pope

Judaism = pre-Christianity

Marxism/Communism = Post Christianity Judaism

Cultural Marxism = critical theory, aka strategy to demoralize the Jew's enemies.

>>128816444
I'm not citing specific verses because I'm lazy to go back and look, but he commands baptism, he commands communion, he implies confirmation (which the apostles verified) he commands reconciliation and holy matrimony. Confession he also implies too,

Hopefully other anons can cite specific verses (have to see them in context to understand breadth of it all)

>>128816818
Reverence and idolization are two completely different things. There is no valid justification for praying to them.

>>128813557
>They are abrahamic so don't be a dick unless provoked

>>128816548
Misconception that Catholic tradition started from high up officials hundreds of years after Jesus (still before Protestant reformation btw)

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>>128817088
I'll be waiting.

>>128814463
Bump and quoting my post because I want some feedback. Is this normal to feel? I was really spooked. Im also really not sure about all the magisterium about purgatory and the seven hells or whatever and I don't know if that means I can't be catholic

>>128814009
Don't know. Personally I think his Holiness is a shill pope in which the globalists who have infiltrated the church have raised him to such standing.

>>128816313
How can an apostate be a saint?

>>128806356
Actual Christian, not going to make Golden Calves out of past Christians, sorry.

>>128817197
Enlighten me, then

>>128816444
You have to eat shit on sabbath

>>128817115
>asking an individual who sought God's will for help seeking God's will
>no point

Anon please reconsider.

>>128813955
What is the book like? Worth downloading? Good sources on its claims?

>>128816730
it is God's commandment also elaborated on by Jesus that sabbath was made for man, not man made for sabbath. Which is why you can pick ANY day, I never said "you can skip the sabbath"

You hear " Catholics are taught" because we live in a faith handed down millennia. Also, holy pious people "teach" us the underlying mysteries in the bible, which Jesus said there are hidden mysteries, only those who wish to listen will learn and understand

>Catholicism

Didn't one of the popes literally have parties with little boys jumping out of cakes

Oh, and indulgences anyone?

>>128817439
It's not their job to do your work for you.

>>128817382
Son, are you one of those protestant idiots who doesn't know the difference between prayer and worship, or..?

>>128815034
what
Humans are biological beings with chromosomes which identify male or female. Angels are spiritual.

>>128816732
>It is a collection of Canon law and dogma
Catechism isn't dogma or canon law you stupid fucking pleb. In fact, the nu-catechism flatly contradicts traditional dogma because it was written by the apostate Karol Wojtyla

>>128817248
Have you been born again in the spirit? If so, you should trust your conscience, it's probably the holy spirit trying to warn you.

>>128816928
It Isn't communicating with the dead, but invoking their spirits in heaven. There's a difference because you're putting God before them, just including them in the communion of prayer.

>>128817571
I wonder why this happened

>>128814679

>>128806356
asking saints for help goes against Jesus. Jesus said ask our father in my name. You pray to an angel who is under the lords command - it would break the chain of command for the angel to hear you.

Jesus Christ the ascended one on gods right side is the one you go to.

>>128816444
checked

Baptism

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

Gospel of John 3:5

Confirmation

"Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit; for it had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit."

Acts of the Apostles 8:14-17

The Eucharist

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh. The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

Gospel of John 6:51-58

Confession

"Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father who sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them,"Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained. "

Gospel of John 20:21-23

>>128817740
"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

"Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ."

-"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.

Explain

>>128817279
You have nonbelievers in control of the vatican, explain ratzinger.

>>128817088
Anon Christ really only require that you accept him as savior for salvation. The new testament touches on how tradition and practices are second to a baptism in His name.

>>128817432
Did you guys know, that located in a high percentage of Catholic churches, there are stone dildos hidden, from when the pagans thought molestation was cool, and they worshiped dick?
Totally you guys, they found them in WW2, when some churches got bombed.
Priests with dildos. CATHOLIC priests with dildos.

>>128816444
Cont..

Holy Matrimony

He answered, "Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder."

Gospel of Matthew 19:4-6

Holy Orders

"for I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."

1 Corinthians 11:23-25

Anointing of the Sick

"Is any among you sick? Let him call for the presbyters of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven."

James 5:14

>>128817830
Explain this>>128815439

>>128806356
in the past I read ; The imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis , The collected works of St. John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila and a little of Bonaventure.

I suppose one must also read Aquinas and Augustin

>>128817711
Book of Enoch beings to differ anon.

>>128817248
Priests are in general weird. They are very spiritually adept people. Also, being celebate for so long kinda messes with you

>>128816738
Catholic church has always been pretty Jewish, but only partlyit has been fully controlled by communists, Jews, and Freemasons since the early 20th century.

>>128814463
>and started talking to a dead saint in the middle of our conversation

The saints are in heaven, alive in Christ. They can hear our prayers and intercede for us, as clearly taught in the Book of Revelation in particular.

See: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

And: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-intercession-of-the-saints

Both of which explain why prayer to saints is consistent with the Bible, and the teachings of the early Church.

This video provides an *excellent* explanation of the Catholic doctrine of prayer to saints. I wish it were shorter, and the speaker spoke in a bit less of a monotone, but this video very ably and decisively presents the Catholic view, and soundly rebuts every Protestant objection you can think of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCqHLPX2MDA&t

>>128814504
>Catholicism is a conversion of roman polytheism.

The Catholic Church is the Church established by Christ when He walked the earth.

This is explained concisely, via history and scripture, beyond a reasonable doubt, here:

http://www.catholic.com/documents/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth

>>128817398
They had been going on since 33 AD. What do you think early Christians were persecuted by Romans for, just praying at night and having a "personal relationship?"

>>128816738
The Jews control the pope. they control everything. its hard to be christian when they are out to kill the goy. read the jewish talmud. make you rethink the jewish alliance with christians nations

>>128817571
Do you ask Christ to complete the task? Or do you pray for the strength and guidance of a higher power

>>128818045
pretty sure we were discussing Catholic beliefs? book of enoch is not accepted in catholicism

>>128817032
They're desperately trying to make their fake religion relevant and they think this is the best way. If you checked a certain other chan you'll find they've even made a whole anti-Christian board in which they plan out these concerted shitposts and plot ways to bring us down

>>128813459
Aquinas plagiarized Greek philosophy and tried to make it compatible with the nonsensical Jewish fairy tale collection known as the "Holy Bible." He failed miserably and only ended up bastardizing philosophy. Jews praise him for it.

>>128817349
>>128817729
Apostasy is the complete and voluntary abandonment of the Christian religion.

How was his Holiness, Pope John Paul II, an apostate?

>>128817830
We pray to Jesus while asking for the same strength his servants exemplified.

>>128818060
Celebate is not biblical anon, or the priesthood.

>>128818093
I would think it insulting to Christ to pray to a saint and it would be out of false humility which is pride to presume you gain favor with God by regarding yourself unfit to beseech the Father directly in Jesus' name.

>>128817835
>John 6:51-58
None of this says "Go ordain priests, who do not have sex, and let them pretend to turn bread into flesh, and wine, into blood"
Where is that?
Where is the part about confession, that suggests there should be a centralized power, hearing these sins/secrets of everyone?
Show me where Jesus said these things should be continued.
Show me where these powers are passed to these priests. where is this power ordained from?

Friendly reminder that if you don't accept the infallibility of the pope, you're not Catholic, and if you do accept the infallibility of the pope, you're fucking retarded.

>>128814826
>>128814157

See >>128818093

As for Mary, the Catholic Church's teaching on Mary is eminently sound, and consistent with the entirety of Scripture (Old Testament and New), and the beliefs of the early Christians.

But to fully understand the logic of the Catholic position, you have to spend some time digging into things.

The first step, understanding that prayer to saints is a perfectly scriptural, perfectly Christian practice.

Getting one's head around the legitimacy of prayer to saints is easier than comprehending the Marian doctrines. But once you understand the legitimacy of prayer to saints, you've taken the first step to properly understanding Mary.

In short, Mary is the new or second Eve, just as Jesus is the new or second Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45.

As such, Mary is the mother of all the living, in fulfillment of the type of Eve. Compare Genesis 3:20 and John 19:26.

She is our spiritual mother, as directly stated by Jesus Christ. John 19:26.

As such, she intercedes for us in a specially powerful way.

https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya3.htm

>>128817894
Well Jesus "commanded" the traditions of the church. Not for salvation

The Bible is absolutely clear that we are to worship God alone.

Every time you Pray to saints, you spit in gods face

>>128818319
But it was.
It was taken out by the catholic church because it was deemed irrelevant to the overall message of the of the bible.

>going to mass being offered a metaphoric Jews body cracker from a fat virgin in a smock
>fat virgin lectures congregation full of families with children about the meaning of love
>significant chance that the fat virgin fiddles your kids

Fuck the church.

>>128817891
I completely agree an evil power has taken root in the highest powers of the Church.

"Pray that I do not run from the wolves." - Pope Benedict XVI

But remember, the Church is built upon His rock and the gates of Hell shall never triumph.

>>128817865
Do you want me to explain to you how your argument is a straw man or what?

Eucharist is a man-made ritual that promotes Transubstantiation which is another non-biblical teaching that says we become Christ, which is blasphemy.

>>128818344
Christianity had absorbed Greek philosophy from the get go anon, this is pretty much undisputed I think

>>128818506
Priesthood definitely is biblical. Da fuk?

And celibacy is too. Nazarenes (Old Testament akin to priests) were celibate

>>128818228
Jesus Christ is not the founder of Catholicism. Constantinople did. Jesus is the creator of Christianity. The Apostles would not agree with catholic religious practices. Paul and Peter and all the others prayed to Jesus directly. The apostles never prayed to anyone but him.

>>128818513
Saints have earned a place in the kingdom of heaven. It would be an insult to God to ignore their highly specified roles.

>>128818513
You might think that but Scripture in fact teaches that you are wrong.

See the brief explanation in this post >>128818093 and if you're actually interested in understanding the Catholic position - which is true - please read the linked material (which is not long), and/or listen to the video (which is long, but very thorough in addressing every Protestant objection I've heard to prayer to saints, and I've been listening to those objections for a long, long time).

Hey Catholic anons. My local deacon told me that there's nothing philosophically blocking women from being in the clergy other than Church tradition, but even in the early Christian church there were women deacons to make up for a need of more clergy. He says the only reason women aren't deacons or priests or bishops today is because people relate Jesus' form of a man and the male apostles to clergy duties. Is there any other reasons that women can't be clergy that my deacon may have missed, or could the church reform one day to allow female clergy again?

>>128817711
>implying spiritual beings are not male or female
>implying spiritual beings are transgender by literal definition (beyond gender)

>>128818228
You use source info from a catholic source which would be clearly biased. Jesus died way before Catholicism was created. Look at old roman polytheism it is still the same as modern day Catholicism,

>>128814009

>Doesn't the 27 characteristics of The Anti-christ fit the papacy of rome perfectly?

what are those?

i only know of that he would not regard woman
and its pretty damning that pope=father and jesus says call no man father

>>128818825
The early christians are in hell

>>128818534
"Do this in memory of me."
Jesus insitutes the sacrament of Holy Orders by allowing the ordianed to act in persona Christi which allows the priest to infact turn bread into body, wine into blood, and forgive sins in the name of Jesus the Christ.

Vows of celebacy is a Catholic tradition among priests. One day proesys may be able to marry who knows? Married to the Church.

Take the Orthodox Church for example, their priests can marry.

>>128818608
I would recommend a reread of the new testament. A much me significant takeaway is the rejection of traditional religious [Jewish] practices as a prerequisite for salvation.

>>128819082

"So then, if the mixed cup and the manufactured bread receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, that is to say, the Blood and Body of Christ, which fortify and build up the substance of our flesh, how can these people claim that the flesh is incapable of receiving God's gift of eternal life, when it is nourished by Christ's Blood and Body and is His member? As the blessed apostle says in his letter to the Ephesians, 'For we are members of His Body, of His flesh and of His bones' (Eph. 5:30). He is not talking about some kind of 'spiritual' and 'invisible' man, 'for a spirit does not have flesh an bones' (Lk. 24:39). No, he is talking of the organism possessed by a real human being, composed of flesh and nerves and bones. It is this which is nourished by the cup which is His Blood, and is fortified by the bread which is His Body. The stem of the vine takes root in the earth and eventually bears fruit, and 'the grain of wheat falls into the earth' (Jn. 12:24), dissolves, rises again, multiplied by the all-containing Spirit of God, and finally after skilled processing, is put to human use. These two then receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, which is the Body and Blood of Christ."

-"Five Books on the Unmasking and Refutation of the Falsely

Named Gnosis". Book 5:2, 2-3, circa 180 A.D. "For just as the bread which comes from the earth, having received the invocation of God, is no longer ordinary bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly, so our bodies, having received the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, because they have the hope of the resurrection."

-"Five Books on the Unmasking and Refutation of the Falsely named Gnosis". Book 4:18 4-5, circa 180 A.D.

PRODDIE Btfo

Where are the verses that tell us to disregard the 10 Commandments, and make Sabbath whatever we want?
Where is the verse that says there is a Trinity, and where Jesus says, I AM GOD?

>>128818534
I'm way too lazy to explain it all to you. But have you read the bible? Think about it like this,

God made laws for his people to worship him through Moses (then was prophecized that Jesus will be the next "moses" to give the law)

Jesus came, said "no Jews, you're worshipping all wrong, THIS is how you do it" and showed them. Thus was born Catholicism. Much of New Testament outside of the gospels expound upon the source of the new religion established off the new covenant (Jesus= new, Moses = old)

Protestants are really just lazy Catholics. They claim to be "sola scriptura" but don't really follow the scriptures. They are very convenient christians. They also don't realize that "scriptura" only came to be by a United church deciding what is divine.

>>128818859
correction Constantine

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>>128819249
Apostates,blasphemers and idolaters go there you know.

Anons let us stop and pray for the youth, please.

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>>128806356
Saint Maximilian Kolbe should be mentioned on pol for his efforts in Auschwitz.

What does (OP) know about this saint?

>>128819034
Paul said women are to be quiet in church.

>>128819493
JESUS lied

>>128818632
Common misconception.

We pray for the saints to intercede to God on our behalf.

"Holy Mary Mother of God, Pray FOR us sinners.."

Mary worship is also a meme that needs to die.

>>128814910
Can you source this literally anywhere from the Bible?

>>128818228
The Papacy claims that its system of worship has been handed down through tradition. They are absolutely correct. But these are not the teachings of Jesus, but rather the traditions of Babylon.
Roman Catholic doctrines such as infant baptism, sprinkling during baptism, teachings on death and immortality, tonsured and celibate priests with power over the dead, prayers to the dead and to relics, repetitive prayers with the use of beads, doctrines on forgiveness of sins, teachings on hell, the mass, and Sunday worship are doctrines actually derived directly from ancient Babylon, not the Bible.
When Constantine married paganism and Christianity, the door was opened for false doctrines to creep into the early Christian Church, and they were gradually introduced into the system. The Church became divided into the Catholic Church who accepted the pagan doctrines, and the true Christian Church who resisted Constantine’s indoctrination.
The church historian Philip Schaff says, "No church or sect in Christendom ever sank so low as the Latin church in the tenth century."ii
Many of Rome's documents used to validate its authority and origin have been established as fakes. These unusable sources include The Donation of Constantine, which claim to establish the papal domain and jurisdiction, and The Decretals of Isidore, which were touted as establishing pontifical supremacy. According to J. A. Wylie's book The History of Protestantism, the Greeks reproachfully named the fledgling Roman Church as "the native home of inventions and falsifications of documents.These forgeries, nevertheless, succeeded in establishing Catholic doctrines.

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>Święta Rita
For when I need a miracle to happen
>Święty Antoni
For when I'm looking for something I lost
Always fucking works

>>128818845
Where?

>>128819734
This is also of Babylon

12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

>>128819382
T. Has never read the New Testament.

Are you a trolling atheist/Protestant or an interested Catholic? John 8:58, and also all of the New Testament says Christians aren't bound by law anymore. Sabbath was also never commanded to be on "Saturday" and Jesus says the sabbath was made for man, not man for sabbath

>>128819734
Meanwhile before constantine

"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.
Explain

>>128819491
He just legalized it so Christians weren't persecuted anymore

>>128819472
I'm just trolling you dude. None of it is in there, thanks for trying though.
I have read the Bible, it all makes sense right up until those newer books, after Jesus goes to be with God, Our Father, and that dude Peter said "By the way, Jesus said that I, and the people I subsequently choose, should be in charge of everything., forever. And he left out a bunch of crazy stuff...don't worry I'll fill you in."
That's always the part that gets me.

>>128818825
No it's symbolic of the last supper in the upper room. The Eucharist cannot be received by a person unless he/she has been to confession. It is forgiveness of sins from Jesus and God, not becoming Him.

>>128819678
Have you heard of the Book of Tobit?

>>128819382
We do not disregard the commandments and the commandments do not make Saturday specifically the Sabbath.

Trinity

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." - Matthew 28:19

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." - John 1:1-3

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30

>>128818534
>Show me where these powers are passed to these priests. where is this power ordained from?

Ordination, the laying on of hands. 2 Tim 1:6.

"Priest" is simply a transliteration, or "Englishing" of the word "presbyter."

New Testament presbyters were Catholic priests.

>Where is the part about confession, that suggests there should be a centralized power, hearing these sins/secrets of everyone?

The sacrament of confession was instituted by Christ:

>And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained."
John 20:22-23

>Show me where Jesus said these things should be continued.

Paul's frequent talk of establishing new churches and presbyters evidences the Church's intention to survive beyond the death of the first generation of Christians, to fulfill the Great Commission:

>And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Matthew 28:18-20

>>128820006
that does not translate into doing it whenever you want. Sabbath is for man....how does that translate into, "Pick the day pagans worship in Europe."

>>128814504

Oh man this catholics are pagan larpers, god forbids to talk to the dead probably because you invoke satan, and suddenly its fine because of reasons


read nothing goods come from the dead

Saul and the Medium of Endor

>7Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

Leviticus 19:31
>31 ‘Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after athem, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

>>128819599
And cover their hair and command no authority over men or preach.

>>128820082
It's all there, laid out. And it's a MYSTERY. You don't just get all of what it means to be Christian by reading the bible. You have to live it out.

So when Jesus says "do this in memory of me" what does that mean to you

>>128819358
Ephesians 5:30 only says 'because we are members of his body'. the one before it says "No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church.' those scriptures are talking about how the God feeds us with the holy spirit like we feed our bodies with food senpai... idek what you where trying to say with all that?

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>>128806356
Hey OP (or anyone). I'd appreciate if you could give me a saint that's good on inspiring one to courageously work to be a better man despite fucking up in the past.

Thanks in advance.

>>128820288
Literally the only command is "remember to keep holy the sabbath"

Jews traditionally held this on Saturday. Notice there is a catholic mass every day of the week? Catholics accommodate for any day any Catholic chooses to remember the sabbath

>>128820167
>1 John 5:7
7For there are three that testify: 8the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.…
Wait a minute, is your Bible different from mine?

>>128819950

See:

>The Biblical Blueprint for the Priesthood
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-biblical-blueprint-for-the-priesthood

>Genesis 15:6: And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
>Matthew 7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (See John 6:40)
>Matthew 7:22-23: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
>Luke 5:20: And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
>Luke 23:40-43: But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
>John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
>John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
>John 6:28-29: Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
>John 6:40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (See Matthew 7:21)

>>128820415
Not go ordain a bunch of priests and tell them all your secrets in a centralized manner.

>>128820657
>John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
>Luke 5:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
>John 6:40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
>John 6:47: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

>>128819734

No. This is a tortured reading of scripture and history.

It's refuted in CATHOLICISM AND FUNDAMENTALISM by Karl Keating.

To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant.

>>128820088
You don't even understand your own religion. Let this Wikipedia article help you.

Transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is, according to the teachings of the Catholic Church, the change of substance by which the bread and the wine offered in the sacrifice of the sacrament of the Eucharist during the Mass, become, in reality, the body and blood of Jesus the Christ: "In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist 'the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.' 'This presence is called "real" - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be "real" too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present'" [1] "not merely as by a sign or figure, but in actual reality as well." [2]

The Catholic Church teaches that the substance, or essence, of the Eucharistic offering is changed into both the body and blood of Christ.[3] Belief in this doctrine was made obligatory by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215, and was later challenged by various 15th century reformers—John Wycliffe in particular.[4]

>>128820755
>Acts 10:43: To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
>Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
>Romans 1:17-18: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
>Romans 3:28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
>Romans 4:5: But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
>Romans 5:1: Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
>Romans 10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
>Romans 11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
>Romans 14:23: …for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
>1 Corinthians 1:21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
>Galatians 2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

>>128820675
But what does it mean then? Jesus says to eat the bread and drink the blood in memory of him, what does it mean to you? Don't tell me what it doesn't mean, tell me what it means

>>128820812
>Galatians 2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
>Galatians 3:8: And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
>Galatians 5:4-5: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
>Ephesians 1:13-14: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
>Ephesians 2:8-10: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
>Philippians 3:9: And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
>1Timothy 1:1: Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
>Titus 3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
>James 2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

>>128820288
Sabbath means Saturday.
Shabbat, in Hebrew, is Saturday.
The sentence you utters, translates into "...keep SATURDAY holy.
Sabbath MEANS Saturday.

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>>128820589
That was a quote from a Catholic website. Since there was confusion, which I'd hate to cause, I screenshotted directly from usccb.

Pic related.

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>>128820857
>>128820812
>>128820755
>>128820657
Cuckolicks = Destroyed

>>128820428
DIDNT know it also did not affirm that CHRIST is of flesh too

>>128820088
Not a Catholic reee.

>>128820405
The bible tells you not to speak to the dead because you dont know who you are talking too. you could be talking to a demon in disguise. most of these scriptures that anons have posted to support Catholicism dont make any fucking sense... these religious practices are plagiarized versions of Babylonian practices

>>128820934
Matthew 25:31-46 - 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee and hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Bumps

>>128820934
John 5:28-29: John 5:28-29. "28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the
which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

>>128820890
Quote from a catholic website?
I don't quite understand, do you guys follow the
Bible, or what?

>>128820934
Romans 2:5-13 5 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God 6 Who will RENDER TO EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

Doesn't fit with Sola Fide, now does it?

>>128821121
Meanwhile
Galatians 6:7-9: 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

>>128821121
1 Corinthians 3:10-17 - 3:10 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are."
Doesn't fit with Sola Fide, now does it?

Whoops

Some purgatory state right there

>>128819678
>Can you source this literally anywhere from the Bible?

Of coursh. No less than Jesus Himself confirms this teaching:

>See that you despise not one of these little ones: for I say to you, that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.
-Matthew 18:10

There is no doubt that good angels help protect (Daniel 6:20-23; 2 Kings 6:13-17), reveal information (Acts 7:52-53; Luke 1:11-20), guide (Matthew 1:20-21; Acts 8:26), provide for (Genesis 21:17-20; 1 Kings 19:5-7), and minister to believers in general (Hebrews 1:14).

Matthew 18:10 is the key passage regarding guardian angels.

Further detail and scriptural citations here: https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/guardian-angel

>>128806356
is there a saint for when i take a shit

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>>128821096
good = believing on The Son
bad = not believing on The Son

there are way more verses supporting sola fide
>in b4 posting James 2 without reading Romans 4

>>128821272

Rev. 22-11-14. "11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Doesn't fit with Sola Fide, now, does it?

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>>128821314
Except it doesn't say what is "good" there dumbass

>>128821153
https://www.gotquestions.org/great-white-throne-judgment.html

also read Romans 3. No one is good

James 2:10King James Version (KJV)
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

>>128820859
No no no. You got it all backwards. The word Sabbath came first meaning the day God rested. The day of the week "Saturday" means saturn's day. Sabbath doesn't mean (6th day of the week) it means (day God rested) later, different languages adopted variations of word "sabbath" to mean the 6th day of the week

can I be Catholic if I have doubts about some of the mysticism and prefer to have a nuanced interpretation of heaven/purgatory etc?

by that I just mean I'm more comfortable saying "I don't know what heaven is like"

>>128820288

ALL of the Resurrection appearances of Jesus were on the first day of the week - which came to be known as the Lord's Day - and it was the Lord's day (or the first day of the week) on which the New Testament Christians (in Acts and elsewhere) conducted their worship service.

That had a pre-existing name, Sunday (at least in some geographical regions, not all), but the reason for worshipping on that day is not because of the name, but for the above-stated reasons, i.e., because the first day of the week is the Lord's Day.

>>128821337
>doesn't realize going good works makes you greater on new earth and heaven but not doing them doesnt stop you from being saved

Romans 4King James Version (KJV)

4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

>>128821363
>Didn't debunk anything

>>128821437
>render everyone to their deeds
That includes christians too

And no it makes no indication that it is blotted out for cjristiand. Saying christians are written in the book of life DOESNT count as being on JESUS credit card

>>128820859
Incorrect.

Sabbat in Hebrew comes from the verb sabat which means to stop, cease, or to keep.

The noun Sabbath I'm Hebrew was used as the seventh day. This originated far before the Roman Calender's day of Saturn, Saturday.

The commandment keep holy the Sabbath did not refer to the Pagan day of Saturn.

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>>128806356
stop kissing muslim nigger feet

>>128819034
FWIW, I'd venture to say that a majority of women do not want women 'priests'--most women I know would never, ever, go to confession if it were a woman priest.

t. Woman & Catholic.

>>128821272
Romans 3

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

>>128821440
see >>128821779

>>128821272
Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

>>128806356
Personally, i'm more dedicated to independent political studies but yes most of us do

>>128816449
>>128816718
You're both wrong

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(Relating to the Father’s will in Matthew 7:21)
John 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 7:21 is saying that you can't fake having faith. You actually have to believe.

>>128821744
That verse did not say that. And neither did Paul who also makes clear that one will be judged by action

Just because he says one is saved by grace or that abraham was justified by trusting in God through hardship does it mean sola Fide

It doesn't and JAMES tells us that Abraham has actions to show his faith

>>128821108
Of course. But I offered a better translation of the original quote since you were confused. So this confusion may cease.

Usccb is the official website of the United States Conference of Bishops. Their translation is based and official.

>>128821744
>>128821744
That verse did not say that. And neither did Paul who also makes clear that one will be judged by action

Just because he says one is saved by grace or that abraham was justified by trusting in God through hardship does it mean sola Fide

It doesn't and JAMES tells us that Abraham has actions to show his faith

>>128821833
Didn't know PAUL contradixt himself

Or what he was saying is actually confradicting the shit of sola fide

>>128816313
why?

why can't you just pray to Jesus Christ to intercede for you?

>>128821949
Care to elaborate?

>>128821929
Doesn't explain that verse away dumbo

>>128820040
Easy. Its not a real letter. Its not in the bible. its only in the catholic bible (apparently the catholic bible is not the same as The Bible which has been checked for fallacies by cross referencing the dead sea scrolls.) it has no place in the Word of God. God never spoke these things. God only cares about the salvation of the spirit. he cares not of the catholic obsession of the flesh rituals.

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>>128820505
Here are half-a-dozen suggestions, anon.

Take a look, and choose someone you feel sympatico with, or feel an affiliation for.

http://epicpew.com/6-soldier-saints/

Another one: Saint Peter. He screwed up big time -- denied Jesus three times. That's tough to beat.

>>128822013
>Doesn't realize James 2 is Abraham justified to man for his works and not to God.
>Doesn't realize God can see your faith so doing works doesn't prove your faith to him

Romans 4:2-4King James Version (KJV)

>2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

>>128821796
Well what about you? Why do you figure women wouldn't want to confess to other women? Is it because they think they will gossip or something?

>>128821970
>can't fake having faith
no one says you can retard

Just because you cannot use works as an excuse for merit does it mean works doesn't matter. It still does play into salbation

>>128822200
You don't pray for Christ to intercede for you. Christ is the one you directly pray to and who answers the prayer through grace.

Praying to Christ is great! Asking a saint to intercede for you is like asking a friend to pray for you. More prayer the better!

>>128822286
That is real

>>128822069
see >>128822299

>>128822170
>Doesn't realize doing good works and not sinning won't make you more likely to be saved but makes you greater in Heaven and New Earth

>>128822286
Only difference between the Catholic bible and Protestant bible is that Catholic bibles have 7 extra books.

>>128821363

Does not quote scripture just says his opinion , even satan would have done a better job , at least he quotes scripture

>>128822385
>no one says you can retard
That's literally what the verse is saying. You can't just lie to your self about having faith

also

John 3:36King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>He that believeth on the Son = life
>he that believeth not the Son = death
that easy

>>128822558
Are any protestant bibles even translated directly from Hebrew and Greek like the new Catholic bibles are?

>>128822299
Nowhere did James speaks of works done to justify and show men. It makes no sense when he says that faith alone aka mere belief with no fruit to show or action does not save. That isn't saying it is "justify to man"

God can see faith and if faith is real it will also show in action whixh God will see

Abraham was justified because he trusted God when shit happens

So where is sola FIDE?

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>>128822558
Wrong

>>128822434
if it were true then it would be in all bibles.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2 Peter 2: 1-3

>>128822443
Ergo those who are saved are free to sin

>>128822677
No one is claiming you can which is my argument, rendering use of that verse useless and showing you to misrepresent my words

John also speaks of those who do good who will get it. That is clearly a broad term

>>128822361
Yes, I feel the same way, and yes, it is largely b/c of gossip.

>>128822743
Where the duoy Rheims?

>>128822743
John 3:19-21 says 19 ?And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

>>128822765
If it were false then solipsism

>>128822420
>You don't pray for Christ to intercede for you
Why not?

Scripture says Christ intercedes for us to the father.


I can get past a lot of catholic dogma, but intercession of saints really triggers the last bit of protestant left in me. I reject the notion that "communication" with saints that have passed way is not either prayer (and therefore worship) or literal necromancy.

>>128822765
Did Jesus write that?