>Climate change isn't re- Hmm, I wonder who I trust

and the obvious solution to fix it is to tax it

t. liberal scumbag

>>128720936
not necessarily

not an argument either

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>implying climate change can be prevented, manmade or not
>inb4 le r****t

>>128720717
>appealing to authority this hard
Saged

>percentages
>polls
have you learned nothing from the past election?
that 3% is probably right

>>128720717
When did fucking America get so smart?

>>128720860
So basically, of 10,000 possible responses, they got back 3,000, ignored 2,925 of those to only look at what the people who's jobs literally hinge on them saying 'yes' to question #2 and this is '97% consensus from the scientific community'?

>>128720717
CO2 only became a greenhouse gas after congress voted it to be as there was not a scientific consensus at the time. So if CO2 is a ((greenhouse gas)) what are we going to do about volcanoes and should we blow up the Hawaiian islands just to be safe?

>>128720717
>Hmm, I wonder who I trust more on this issue. Someone whose career and authority depends on perpetuating their own narrative, or someone whose career doesn't.
Ftfy.

>>128720717
>97% of Climate Scientists want to keep their job.
Truly shocking results.

In other news: 97% of astrologers think astrology is real.

>>128720717
Climate change is real, nobody is denying that. What's not real, however, is that it's man-made.
Even if it was, what are you going to do about it? Liberal faggots love to virtue signal about "muh man-made climate change", yet there they are eating expensive steak, buying apple products made in a polluting Chinese sweatshop, etc.

>>128720717
>Peer-reviewed

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

>>128720717
let's consider for a moment that you are right about climate change.How does sending huge amounts of money to India and China who are not obligated to reduce any of their green house gas production change anything?Raising awearness doesn't do shit.It's just another money laundering scheme these politicians engage in since the fall of socialism in europe.

>>128721902
if it isn't humans, what is actually driving up temperatures?

>>128720860
fpbp

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>>128720717
Climate scientists out of a job if it turns out global warmening isn't real? 100%
Environmentalist and political pressure groups who lose influence if it turns out CO2 does nothing? 100%
Use your brain OP you fucking fag.

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>>128721842

>>128721081
>muh appeal to authority

How can you know anything to be true without an appeal to authority you cognitive dissonant autistic fuck?

>>128721842
>97% of astrologers think astrology is real.

They'd be right then

>>128722189
Earth itself, it's a natural cycle.

>>128722189
An excellent question we could actually take a fucking look at if faggots would stop bitching about how 'Da science wuz settld' and let funds go to actual climate modeling that isn't agenda driven.

As for explanations, solar cycles, the fact that we are literally in the end of an ice age, airborne CO2 probably does factor in there somewhere, but we can't even figure out how much.

>>128720717
Isn't the 97% meme a myth? What are the real numbers?

>>128720717
Dutch geology professor Salomon Kroonenberg claimed humans have little to no influence on the changing climate

>>128720717
What is it they agree on though?
I think it's hard to find rational people who don't think the climate is changing.

>>128722573
>airborne CO2 probably does factor in there somewhere

It's not just greenhouse gas (which even 19th century science proves to be true) but ground level pollution. Right wingers don't seem to mind when chemicals get dumped and toxins released into the air that give people lung cancer

>>128722535
could you be more specific? What's the simplified mechanism?
>>128722573
>solar cycles

but we can measure the output of the sun very easily from Earth (and with satellites in orbit) and it doesn't match how temperature has behaved during the last 4 decades or so.
The solar explanation is also inconsistent with a few other observations like the fact that the stratosphere is cooling or that warming is strongest during the night and not the day.

>>128722673
>What are the real numbers?
about 2:1

>>128722682
>Dutch geology professor Salomon Kroonenberg

>geology

Wow I will trust his individual word as a rock scientist over thousands of actual climate scientists.

>>128720717
>>128720860
>muh science

I'm in science. You greatly overestimate how "scientific" it really is. Most of this climate "Science" is statistical analysis. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The truth is that the climate has been generally warming since the end of the ice age 12,000 years ago

>>128720860

I like how the OP conveniently ignored this

>>128720717

There are people on this board that think Obama wasn't born in the US and that the Sandy Hook shooting was a false flag operation. These people are beyond help and will continue believing in retards instead of scientists no matter how much scientific evidence is provided to them.

>>128722189
The climate changes naturally. Humans probably contribute a bit to it, but it's impossible to say how much or even what the ultimate effect will be. The climate is 'greening' at the moment and co2 and slightly warmer temps and increased precip are responsible. Is that bad?

>>128722797

Please kys. Geology is an old-fashioned term that includes:

>climatology
>paleontology
>geo-science/earth science
>mineralogy
>petrology
>geophysics
.
.
.

>>128720717

Climate change is a Jewish hoax to help destroy white Gentiles and Christianity and so that the state of Israel can grow ever stronger. Look at who supports climate change advocacy groups. It's all Jews.

you can't stop it even if it's entirely man made so why argue about it?

>>128722768
Yes, the day/night cycle is the only motion of the sun and earth that matters. Glad you solved that mystery Hans.

>>128722881

>MUH GREENHOUSE GAS

O shit senpai, that stuff that plants and phytoplankton breathe?

Global warming will be good for the US economy because CORN, which is a C4 plant, will actually benefit

>>128722929
>The climate changes naturally
again, that's not terribly precise is it?
What actual mechanism do you have in mind?

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>>128722824

>I'm in science.

This is probably the funniest thing Ive read in a week.

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>>128720717
How many scientists do you think believed in the theory of the flat earth and how many did not before we knew that it wasn't flat? Scientist mob rule is literally
NOT
AN
ARGUMENT

>>128720717

>citing Cook et al with a straight face to me

Fuck off.

http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2013/09/Montford-Consensus.pdf

The funny thing is that you environmental lunatics will talk as if this is the #1 problem we are facing right now but when asked if we should build thorium molten salt nuclear reactors which are the future of energy and emit 0 (zero) carbon to the atmosphere you will also say no even if you have no fucking idea what that is.

The truth is all you can do is parrot muh 97% and know next to nothing about the issue you are so passionate about.

>>128723097
Humans knew the earth wasn't flat before science was a thing.

>>128723097

Except youre making a false comparison to a time when the clergy would literally MURDER real scientists who disagreed.

>czech education

>>128723035
The concentration of CO2 is already ample enough for plants to respire.

Just look at Venus, a planet similar in size and composition to earth if you think greenhouse gas is a meme.

>>128723028
huh?

If global warming is not real, why is it so hot in my room?

You can't explain that

>>128723044
'precision' is not something that we will ever have with regard to our understanding of the climate as a whole. At least not for probably thousands of years.

>>128720717
>climate scientists
>whose funding relies on government gibs
>gibs of which, rely on data showing there is an imminent threat

no conflict of interest here, no sir. And scientists are just cute white haired old men in lab coats who would never do something like cook the books for money!

>>128723097
Science was the thing that disproved flat-earth theory you fucking retard. Are you this dumb?

>>128720717

>Cook, et al.

this study is beyond discredited. do your homework anon

many of the scientists in this supposed consensus have vocally rejected the study

>>128723178

>random people are the same people to suit my strawman

99% of real scientists in related fields accept that Nuclear energy is the best short-term solution.

>>128720717
What's with that wording?
>stated a position on the reality of human-caused global warming and said that it is happening and human caused
Of course human-caused anything would be human caused.

>>128722797
And how do you measure climate in the past?
By looking at rock sediments for instance.

Climate science is multi disciplinary.

>>128723226
>But the atmosphere is cooler during the day and warmer at night, the sun has nothing to do with our climate because the day/night cycle is the only way it could possibly have impact!

>>128723194
Bill Nye wants to lock people up that don't think climate change is real.
>>128723274
No, it wasn't. Almost the entire population including scientists believed the earth was flat until it was proven otherwise.

>>128723259
so when climatologists were to publish scientific articles saying "global warming is man-made because that's just how this stuff works", would you be satisfied with this?

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>>128723198

>>128723232
The funny thing is, climate change deniers actually use the opposite as an argument. They are that fucking retarded.

This senator brought a snowball into the senate and threw it and thought that means climate change isn't real. These are the people in charge of the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R__AR0yISSU

>>128721842
This.

>But how can an entire field be wrong?
Because the field itself is fraudulent.

There are no accurate climate models in existence. Therefore climate science, when it comes to climate sensitivity, is pseudoscience.

>>128723416
>Bill Nye wants to lock people up that don't think climate change is real.

Bill Nye isnt a real scientist and by "scientist" I mean people actually working/conducting research in relevant fields.

Just because one popular science asshole does something, that magically disproves thousands of research papers?

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>>128720717
>MUH 970000000000000000%

>>128723527
I literally give 0 shits about (((research papers))) that are funded by the globalists and leftists who simply want to impose more restrictions on companies.

>>128723265
Research scientists are content with measly $30k salaries, they are among the most trustworthy and un-corrupted people in the country.

Though yeah, we should trust Shell, BP and ExonMobil funded climate change denying scientists, there is zero conflict of interest there and they are very non-money motivated.

Moron

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>>128720717

(((Leiserowitz)))


Every fucking time.

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>>128720717
>Be earth
>Be 4.5 Billion years old
>Have consensus 40 years ago saying Earths's cooling
>Have "scientists" base "consensus saying earths warming based on 150 years of surface data
>have 90% of your heat stored in oceans
MFW a so-called consensus now involves 0.000001% of all data.

>>128723413
you misunderstood that. I was talking about the rate of warming, not the absolute temperature

>>128723198
Oh shit, you mean its greenhouse gases that make Venus the way it is and not that it's really close to the sun?

>>128720717
Get this into your head:
Climate Change is not proven at all. There is no "100% proof", only a load of indicators.

Now, remember 2days before the election when Hillary had a combined poll of 98% chance to win?

Bottom Line is: Climate change can be a thing were we have "impact" on, but our impact is like farting into a tornado and the media/scientific community hypes this fart for decades now.

fyi: in the 70ies they projected a coming ice age....so far towards their credibility

>>128723479
>humans are just passive lumps drifting through the solar system with no impact whatsoever on the climate

>>128723606

Its funny that you would say that, considering that most of these corporations are lobbying AGAINST a carbon tax.

You really need to stop accepting everything /pol/ says m8. Issues like immigration, free speech and feminism are definitely /pol/'s strengths, but science and anthropogenic climate change are not.

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>>128722189
The sun. It's that thing in the sky that gives off light and HEAT.

>>128720717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOFhpoDY0As

>>128720717
Cook et al was not a double blind study and therefore garbage. the 97% meme has been addressed many times. if i wrote a papaer on climate change it would go into the 97% pile simpley because i acknowledge that the climate is changing and that there could be a 0.000001% chance that humans are contributing 0.000001% to the change. That's how retarded the 97% meme is.
just stop

>>128723658

Bingo. I'd rather these pie charts have a section for "I don't care". We are here for a blink of an eye, who the fuck cares.

>>128723776

>American "education"

>>128723776
see >>128722768

>>128723056

Yea faggot I'm in charge of $200,000 worth of equipment as an undergraduate and conducting independent neuroscience research with my partner

>>128722482
>believes in astrology
>believes in CC
Typical
Sage this thread

>>128721427
really makes you think

>>128723848

>Yea faggot I'm in charge of $200,000 worth of equipment as an undergraduate and conducting independent neuroscience research with my partner

And that has to do with climatology exactly how?

Also:

>neurology
>science

Pick uno.

>>128723685
>that it's really close to the sun?

American education strikes again. It's not even worth explaining this shit to you even you never even learned the role of atmospheres of holding in thermal energy.

>>128723658
Dude the ocean's getting fucking hot. There's a reason soft-bodied animals are dying off and sea ice is melting faster by the day.

But you come from a country that invites mass numbers of Muslims to do your breeding for you, so of course you'd be too stupid to know this.

The entire basis of the scientific method is to try and falsify hypotheses.

It's a fact that Earth is warming. So how can we falsify AGW theory? We can't just ask all humans to pretty please stop all their activities for a few centuries so we can see what the Earth would naturally do. So this route goes nowhere.

Second-best scenario, we try to model Earth's climate. No such (accurate) model exists as of today, and it's so complex that it will likely never exist. So we can't even simulate what Earth's climate would be like without human interference.

There is no way to falsify AGW theory. Therefore it's pseudoscience.

Furthermore, if climate scientists -hypothetically- conclusively prove AGW to be a myth, they would lose all funding and their jobs. They have a definite financial incentive to perpetuate their hypothesis.

>>128723750
Yes, they're lobbying against it because it's bullshit and it negatively affects them and the free market. I completely support that. What's your point?

>>128723917
>insulting neuroscience

I have stabbed single cells with a glass microelectrode and I will stab it into your eye if you ever talk like that again

>>128722824
this
computer models that consistantly fail os not science.
>better get Karl et al in here to adjust raw data to better fit our computer models

>>128723977
Correct, they cannot tell me what would have to occur during the next 10 years, what measurements, that would cause them to doubt global warming, so every year they find some way to justify the years weather and fit it into "climage change".

>>128724006

So now the globalists arent trying to impose a carbon tax to subvert the west? Theyre trying to stop the carbon tax?

Dear boy... make up your mind. This is pathetic. Go back to school. If youre older than 18, you should really consider kys.

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>>128724099

Well meme'd. You got me troll.

>>128723976
Hot compared to what ? Data sets don't even cover one ten thousandth of one percent of the life of the planet.
Your Ocean temps are probably hot japan because they are radiated by an incompetent Nuclear industry.

We really shouldn't let retards play with matches.

>>128724143
Yes. A few years ago, in the An Inconvenient Truth era, they were talking about the term "global warming." Notice how no one uses that term anymore? It's "climate change" now - a term that accounts for EVERY change in the climate, not just warming or cooling. Why would the term suddenly change like that? It's just so they can have an excuse for any kind of measurement that pops up.

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>>128720717
How does it feel cite a study that has been ripped apart?
You either know it's a lie and continue to cite it because you're a sack of shit, or your so ignorant about the subject matter it would be best if you didn't say a word.

So who are you? A liar or a moron?

>>128723964
If the Earth was much closer to the Sun it would be a dry burning rock, if it was much farther it would be a dry frozen rock. The conditions on Venus and it being a poison gas covered rock are completely irrelevant to the fact that it is a hot poison covered rock.

You can't say 'Hurr durr, look at Venus, CO2 so scary' because the Earth won't look like Venus and the problems with Venus have more to do with being close to the giant fucking fireball than with having random greenhouse gases.

>>128720717
Using linear models to try and predict non linear equations like climate is not science the models have never been correct yet

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>>128724246

The Austrian idiot doesn't think THIS is science. These are the people supporting "muh global warming". Will never stop talking about "Muh climate science" but is totally ignorant of science generally

>>128723848
im biochemist interested in neural science ...what research u do ?

So it's literally their job to believe in it and they just happen to believe it?
Drumpf BTFO

>>128724517

>he actually believes the underage troll

>>128720717

I bet 97%t of those scientists also think the idea of liberal democracy and the public education system are just fine. And those things are going to collapse a lot sooner than the planet's eco-system will.

>>128723977
>The entire basis of the scientific method is to try and falsify hypotheses.

No it isn't. It's to conduct research and see if the evidence goes against OR supports a hypothesis and draw conclusions from that.

You are basically arguing that the more true something is, the more psuedoscientific it is, which is retarded. I could say the sky is blue and you'd say it's pseudoscience because you can't falsify the fact the sky is blue. Pure autism.

By your logic other theories which cannot be modeled 100% such as evolution and gravity are also pseudoscience, even though they are supported by observations and rationality.

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>>128724377
Many of the scientists are on record as saying how their reports were used falsely.

>>128723977
let's say for the sake of argument that you are right and the Earth's climate really is so complex as to be impossible to model and/or predict. So it's essentially a totally chaotic system whose response to any kind of impulse is completely unknown.

Shouldn't that be, to any sane person, even MORE of a reason to curb any human interference with a chaotic system like that? When you take the view that models actually reproduce the climate reasonably well, we at least have the advantage to make rough estimates and prepare for them.

However if you are correct, we can't prepare and would literally take a life-or-death gamble since the climate response to even minor human influence could be highly nonlinear, unpredictable and totally unlike anything human civilization has ever had to face.

>>128724175
Companies = globalists in your mind? And you're the one calling me stupid? Fuck off, retard.

>>128722797
Lmao are you actually retarded?

>>128724705
>chaotic system
No dummy, just because you don't understand how food metabolizes doesn't mean you should stop eating ffs. "Logic"

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>>128724517

I work with a patch clamp. You patch onto a single cell with a microelectrode and measure the voltage across the cell membrane. I allso transfect the cells to express whatever receptors I'm studying, and then you introduce the ligands into the solution and can measure the flow of ions in and out of the cell. Measuring cellular response to neurotransmitters or other substances (I work with pheromones)

I strongly encourage you to pursue neuroscience. Its a lot of fun, but make sure you're comfortable or will become comfortable with physics and chemistry (obviously)

>>128724621
get out

>>128723312

Not only short term but long term as well since we have enough Thorium to power the whole planet for thousands of years. Anyway my point is that the lunatics who think the world is going to end in the next couple of decades who are pushing hard for climate change policies are often against the one actual solution which is nuclear. Are you saying this is untrue?

>>128724288
And they can always find somewhere in the world that has some disaster that year that can be used as an example, or some statistic that fits, say maybe more flooding this year, more hurricanes but less flooding next year, no hurricanes but tons of tornados the yeat after, etc etc, the media has lots of "evidence" each year to report on

>>128723964

Greenhouse Gas does have an effect but it's questionable by what degree and whether other factors override its potential effects. Venus has about a 95% carbon dioxide atmosphere compared to our .04% carbon dioxide atmosphere. There is alot more that change things in between those two points.

>>128724710
Yeah you're right, corporations who are the #1 beneficiaries of globalism are probably not globalists!

>>128724635
All he's saying is that his work wasn't strictly researching climate change but rising carbon dioxide levels. Do you have autism?

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>>128720717
>Scientists
social scientists, and what does the reality of climate change have to do with funding international organisation who does NOTHING about it, other than pollute the worlds oceans with their fucking refugee filth and worldwide shipping from Chinese slavery sold on European markets.
Do you honestly think the EU and UN is about charity ?

>>128724953
they also keep bringing up that faggot elon musk, WHY

>>128725024
They're only going with the flow. The flow being the government. Whatever the government is allowed to or does, the companies will follow. If governments turned back to nationalism companies would follow suit, but instead they're on the globalist spectrum because the governments are too. This is some basic shit.

>>128724627
I probably should have used the term "falsifiable." It's easy to falsify the "the sky is blue" theory, you just need one instance of the sky being not blue that is NOT explained by the "sky is blue theory".

In contrast, there is no set of measurements that would, even theoretically, convince a climate scientist that AGW is not real. Just like the astrologist will ALWAYS have a theory ready for the events that happened in your life, whether they were true to your horoscope or not.

Evolution is also unfalsifiable although I realize this opinion is controversial. There is simply no counterexample to evolution because evolutionists will always have an answer ready as to why an animal evolved this way.

>bunny rabbit has a white tail
It's so it can more easily communicate with other rabbits and be more visible.

>bunny rabbit has a brown tail like the rest of its fur
It's for camouflage purposes!

>>128724705
If you were Dictator of the Earth, would you be more concerned about the global temperature rising 0.005 degrees, or would you fix other problems first?

>>128720717

LoL thinking Science has anything to do with the cult called global warming. Fking retarded subhuman I bet your a fucking girl.

>>128723976
sea ice melts away every year. EVERY FUCKING YEAR. and it comes back
It's a fucking cycle.
the arrogance of warmists is spot on with the arrogance of those who thought the earth was the center of the universe. these cycles are affected by many variables outside of the earth but any suggestion of this is shouted down by warmist zealots. You fuckers have RUINED science.

>>128725055
>It would be incorrect to claim our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming"

And yet Cook et al described his paper as "implicitly endorsing AGW without minimizing it"

I.e. They are full of shit.
What part of that are you to thick to understand ?

>>128723630
Freeman Dyson doesn't believe in any this garbage. Pretty sure he's not taking money from big oil.

The real question isnt whether its real or not, the real question is how severe are the changes. How long we have until we are fucked. If its 10 years then we should just bring out the nukes immediately to stop the third world from industrializing, If its 100 years then current climate agreements are not enough and we have to be even stricter, we also have to have a long term plan for preventing the third world from industrializing. If its 1000 years or more then we can just relax and let the good times come.

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>>128724705
>models actually reproduce the climate reasonably well, we at least have the advantage to make rough estimates and prepare for the

Yet the weather forecast is wrong 50% of the time for the next day. Yeah, climate (((science))) is totally legit.

The priesthood that pulls this old "the evil spirits will eat the sun if you don't give me enough sacrifices" game understands this is all bullshit, but their useful idiots are just too simple to understand how really fucking big the Earth is and how inconsequential man is in the greater scheme of things.

>>128724876
that's not an accurate analogy is it. In your example it's known that food is necessary for survival and only the exact mechanism of uptake is unknown.

But the Belgian poster didn't say "yes increasing CO2 will cause long-term warming, we'll just have to work out some of the (short-term) details of it all", he said that it is impossible to model the Earth's climate because it is so complex and therefore it is impossible to make any statements about what climate response might be

>>128720717
>Scientists who dedicate their lives to monitoring the atmosphere
And wouldn't DARE exaggerate this issue for publicity and profit while it's still politically sensitive. No way.

>>128724506
> I operate expensive stuff and I can produce sciency pictures.
> I am a scientist.
> Climate Scientists operate stuff that is so expensive, your expensive stuff looks like shit and they produce gorillion sciency images.
> They are not scientists.

Really makes you think.

>>128721016
Le (((((((reddit))))))

thunderfart is a climatard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8msUaTqnU

>>128724893
>Seen every episode of Big Bang Theory
>Thinks he is a "Neuroscientist"
7/10 LARP

>>128725307
>If you were Dictator of the Earth, would you be more concerned about the global temperature rising 0.005 degrees, or would you fix other problems first?

firstly, temperatures have risen by ~1.0°C, not 0.005°C

secondly, yes I would focus on global warming. The phenomenon of sea level rise alone is so hugely significant and threatening it cannot be overstated.

>>128724893
Yeah I got 6 from electrophysiology when i was student it's was boring topic to me . I pursuing it but my master mentor told to not try to get solid master until i can citate kandel-principles of neural science waked 4 in a morning so progress is slow

>>128720997

Absolutely it's an argument it's the entire argument your filthy fucking cold it's all about taxing people to death you fucking shit that motherfucker I hate you you fucking Jew

Hope the fucking Muslims kill you you fucking Fagg.

Your race into the fucking sea.

Cultist Jew dog.

>>128721484
hahaha
>we gotta bring CO2 down to zero
>plant life dies
>everyone dies
warmists are this fucking stupid

>>128724506
So where are your pictures larper, why are you using some random picture from the Internet ? Any original content. It will improve your larp.

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>>128720717
>scientists

>>128720717
saged

>>128723658
Earth cooling-consensus in the 70s is a meme. Do some reading.
Also, you pulled your calculation out of your arse. Not surprisingly it is devoid of meaning and actually pretty much idiotic.

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>>128720717

Trust us, we're experts.

I work with experts, most of the time they are expertly working to confirm their previously held biases.

https://youtu.be/gCMzjJjuxQI

>>128723056
Smart dog actually.

>>128725650
What about the phenomenon of the Earth greening 28% since the industrial revolution ? It is so hugely significant and beneficial, it can not be understated.

>>128725650
>sea levels
I remember Al Gore's movie. Funny shit.

>>128720717
I always believe the opposite of what globalist billionaires tell me.

>>128726046
All that is necessary is to understand that the 150 years is a negligible time frame when considering a 4.5 billion year lifespan. Even a retard like you should be able to see that.

>>128725650
The problem with this line of thinking is, if climate change really is:

>a very huge problem to the point of threatening human existence (or at least the lives of billions)
>a REAL problem

Why aren't we doing EVERYTHING in our power to stop it? We are just raising taxes on the common people, asking corporations to pretty please emit a little less CO2 (or we tax the surplus!) or other half-measures.

I mean, we are talking about a disaster on par with the nuclear holocaust if climate scientists are to be believed. And the only way to stop it, is for humans to stop their environmentally unfriendly activities. Where is the martial law? Hell, where are the mass killings of humans? Surely that's a small price to pay for the continued existence of the ENTIRE human species. Just kill the most dirty ones now for the good of all. No time for morals, everyone's life is at stake.

If some band of completely crazy world leaders got together and said, we will launch every nuke we got, unless humans stop ruining the environment. What would happen? Extra taxes, a climate fund? Please.

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>mfw in the jurassic period there was like 500x the c02 and other foul gasses
>mfw in the jurassic period it was on average +40 degrees across the board
>mfw the earth has a natural fluctuation and we are at the downward stroke atm
>mfw its a very slow process that takes thousands of years
>mfw people cry about global warming
>mfw people arent aware that c02 accounts for less that 7% of the total amosphere and its in question if it even can effect the ionosphere ect in any way
>mfw china is double are polution
>mfw india is the size of texas yet is only 2% less pollution than all of europe
>mfw india and china will be excused to pollute way more than the USA
>mfw they are booth in economic wars and manufacturing competetion with the USA atm
>mfw green hippy fags want to turn us into a 3rd world country

>>128720717
>this again
I'll throw some new meme sauce at you
>be liberal
>Science is failing and the peer review system is broken. Too many studies are coming out with poor or complete void of consistent peer reviewed process
>Climate change is totally real. The peer review process was flawless. No one would ever falsify things to gain funding and appease the status quo.

ITT: People categorically denying climate change is real because they have data to back them up.

I wonder where this data comes from and how it is more reliable than the data of climate scientists.

Really makes you think.

>>128725650
surf's up hans

>>128720717

>The science is settled

Sure, fine. I'm just not interested in that aspect of the argument

>The solution is to cripple western economies with industry-wrecking emissions caps

I can understand this if you are determined to eliminate the risk of further degradation of the environment, but the next bit

>however, developing countries may continue to emit as they please, and we'll review in 2030

That bit tells me the primary motivation of the 'problem solvers', as opposed to the people pointing out the climate change issue from a scientific perspective, is actually just to artificially create a situation where the West stops developing and the third world gets a leg up. Climate change clearly is not the major concern - the major concern is the advancement of brown people and the crippling of western countries that would otherwise dominate.

It's just a bad faith argument, dressed up as concern for the environment but the policy suggested is all about wealth redistribution.

How long before liberals start claiming they saved the world and the climate threat is over?

>>128726338
> retard

You do realize that climate science is not looking at 150 years of evidence? Google ice core samples, moron.

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>>128726046
It was meme enough to make the cover of time magazine twice, you are right though, not as well developed as the global warming meme. More like a pilot project for the big sky is falling meme we have now.

>>128724099
Triggered

>>128720717
What does it matter, in 3.5 billion years the sun will be so hot all life on earth will be obliterated

>>128721016
Those numbers only show the emission effects of Australia on the climate and what would be saved, but turns around and shows the global costs. The argument hinges around global costs, but ONLY local savings. What would be the global emission savings?

>>128726424
>German Education

>>128726354

Everybody in the (((know))) laughs about ((( climate change))) at the party's when we fuck baby goys till they bleed out. The things goy believe happens to be absolutely hilarious most of the time. When I want to scare my kids I make them come on /pol to let them know some goy know

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>>128726404
earths temp flucuations

now look at earths temp over a billions of years (from what we know) and you will see that its a natural phase swapping back and forth

I was going to quit smoking but a lot of scientists said it was safe and I trust them. Got a lobotomy scheduled next week for my headaches.

>>128726589
>What would be the global emission savings?

Fuck all. If memory serves, last year Australia emitted around 350 million tonnes of co2. China managed around 8500 million tonnes.

>>128726543

It's just a Jewish-funded plot to destroy the West, white European Gentiles, and Christianity by forcing them to adopt self-destructive policies while the Third World continues to grow stronger and stronger.

>>128723097
>implying the earth is flat
FUCKING SPHEREKEKS GET OFF MY BOARD

>>128726682
Can you explain where my mistake is? I am too dumb to understand my burger overlord's two word answer.

>>128720717
Is there a list with all "climate scientists" (srsly what kind of retarded terminology is that) and 97% filled out yes? No there is no such thing? Well then there can't be 97% of them.

DISCARDED

>>128726847

He's probably noting that you are stuck on the question of whether climate change is real and haven't noticed the people pushing it just view it as a trojan horse for their real motivations. All the policy prescriptions involve old hat communist crap that would do nothing to reduce emissions in real terms, but would be effective at transferring wealth by way of subsidizing industry in the third world and making it prohibitively expensive in the first world.

A coincidence of this is you'll end up with even more emissions, because the third world doesn't actually bother regulating to the extent that we do. They don't exactly do environmental impact statements in Cambodia.

>>128726541
Ice core samples can reflect which green house gases were present. They use this data to estimate temperatures. So a correlation between the 2 is impossible until the advent of the thermometer. And even if you could, correlation is not causation.

You can't relate one data set to itself fuckface.

As a "scientist" everything in nature works in cycles. Who is to say that what we are observing right now is part of a cycle. There are no accurate models for the phenomenon we are observing right now because in order to have a model you need to complete a cycle. Sure some things speed up a cycle in nature, but at the end of the day the cycle still goes. I'm not saying "fuck the environment! drill baby drill!" but try and think critically for one minute and ask yourself. If we decide to go full green in the states what of the rest of the planet? Even with that what of the other carbon emission sources? Sure you can slow it down, but did you really think you could stop it?

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>>128726165
can you answer a question for me?
when you look at ice mass loss, freshwater runoff and corresponding rise of sea level, you will see that all of them are accelerating with time.
When paleoclimatologists looked at how sea level was behaving in relation to temperature, they were able to discern an almost linear relationship of 2.3 meter rise for every degree of warming. Considering what we know about TCR, this means we may already have commited to a sea level rise of over 4m.
In fact, when you look at the last time CO2 had the present concentration, sea level was 25 to 40m higher and the last time in Earth history when temperatures were similar to today, sea level was 6 to 9m higher and fluctuated very rapidly.
Also, glaciologists argue over something called the Marine Ice Sheet Instability hypothesis, which says that ice sheets with a bedrock below sea level are inherently unstable and may in the long-term go into an irreversible collapse. If you listen to some of the leading researchers on this (like Eric Rignot for example), some of them say that the West Antarctic ice sheet (which stores another 3 to 4m of sea level) already shows the first signs of this irreversible collapse.

Meanwhile, geologists looking at pliocene sediments at the Transantarctic Mountain Range have increasingly come to the conclusion that the East Antarctic ice sheet might not be as stable as has always been assumed.

Now my question is this:
Looking at all of this, when it eventually all goes wrong, will you think to yourself "at least the trees grow a little bit taller now"? Would that really be satisfying to you?

>>128720860
>>128720717
0.750% (75 of 10,257) Scientists say Climate change is happening and human caused.

This doesn't have the same ring as 97% of 10,275 of 3,146 of 77 said yes.

>>128727173
So, you agree that climate change is man-made and real?

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How did they manage to track down every single climate scientist and ask them?

>>128720860
Wow OP BTFO'd how will he ever recover?

>>128727241
yeah sounds pretty good desu
let's melt some ice

>>128720717
Scientific studies have been bought and paid for in the last 2 decades and are made to find evidence for an established belief instead of the other way around and will not be accepted by the people who pay for them unless it fits their narrative

Therefor, all scientific studies on controversial topics are unfortionately hard to take serious from an uneducated but objective viewpoint and I dont blame anyone not taking it seriously

>>128727186
Those estimates are not only based on greenhouse gasses in the ice-core. That is willfully ignoring how complex climate science is.

Do some actual reading about how those estimates are produced.

>>128723500
Stop appealing to authority.

Stop appealing to authority.

Stop appealing to authority.

It's terrible if a senator on our side is dumb. It's fucking catastrophic if, on your side, the most credentialed scientists tell reputable publications things that are easily disprove.

An idiot being an idiot is bad. A scientist says false things, then he is a fraud. A "man bites dog" story is better news than "dog bites man".

They've been saying that the arctic will have an ice-free summer "in five years" for more than ten years. You and I, non-scientists, can hash out the value of that idea.

>>128727376
She sent out 10,257 surveys, got 3,146 of them, threw out 3,069 of them and of the 77 she kept, 75 answered "yes". That's where the "97% of climate scientists (who's surveys I kept) say climate change is happening and human caused". It's a completely useless "fact".

>>128726751

Look we have a Genius right here that isn't asking for tax money.

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>>128727241
Ice mass loss meme fluctuates year to year.

In 2014, antarctic sea mass was at a maximum. So where is your acceleration Hans ?

You are just cherry picking data sets. That's not science.

If you can conclude that shrinking ice is proof of warming, I can conclude expanding ice is proof of cooling.

>inb4 2017 it is shrinking again. Yes, we know it fluctuates.

>>128727360

It's certainly possible, I struggle to believe that pumping as much black smoke into the atmosphere as we do would not have a deleterious effect. However, I am certainly dubious of a lot of the grandiose statements, given how politicized the issue has become.

I would be happy to err on the side of caution and reduce emissions, but nobody is actually talking about doing that in a meaningful way. It's just a bunch of communists that have restyled themselves as environmentalists prescribing carbon rations for the decadent West and more coal power for China.

Come back to me when people are actually serious about the issue, and not just using it to enact their ideological fixation by another name.

>>128726354
one of the reasons nothing gets done about this might be the fact that anytime even the MILDEST suggestions are made (case in point: Paris Agreement, which includes no bonding commitments and consists of nothing but verbal promises), there will invariably be an incredible campaign of paranoia.

To see this you have to do little more than look at what people on /pol/ write about it. Paris was widely criticized by climatologists for being nowhere near enough of what would be needed.
But when you listen to /pol/, this is basically one step away from a totalitarian world dictatorship that uses carbon as a currency and funnels trillions of dollars from the West to the third world.

>>128720717
The climate has never changed before the invention of the combustion engine.
Its changing now because we learned why at the uni.
The sky is literally falling.
We need mo taxes to fix it.
Erryone must pay.

I believe climate change is real and natural but exaggerated by the far left.

I believe scientists have bias what is best for them financially as is anyone in a capitalistic society.

>>128727275
>what is statisical sampling?

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>>128726847
>German accepts manipulated data
>Disregards IPCC scandal of data manipulation
>Disregards NASA data manipulation
>Disregards hearings where manipulation is called out in Representative hearings
>Disregards that scientist and "fact checking" websites are payed by left wing political organizations
>Disregards long time accepted geological evidence of the glaciation and thousands of years of warming.
>Disregards historical accounts of Roman and Medieval warm period
>None of this raises flags with the German
>German Education

>>128727893

The motivations are clear: only wealthy countries need to reduce their emissions. If emissions qua emissions were the essence of concern, they would not only be limited to wealthy nations.

The issue of climate change is clearly not the primary motivator, otherwise it would have been all about convincing China to stop belching smoke, given they double the emissions of their next closest competitor (the US).

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>hurf durf climate change

LMAO they can't even tell if it's gonna rain tomorrow with a 25% accuracy rate so don't expect them to do prediction for the years to come.

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>>128720717

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There came a moment when its no longer possible to believe scientists.

No, global warming isnt real, and climate changing is just a natural cycle of planet Earth.

Even if every single living human being just killed himself right this second, the Earth would still keep warming up.

Because that's what Earth does.
It grows warm, and then cools down.
Its something you learn before the age of 10.

Kurwa, what is the worst prognosis for (((climate change))))?

How much will the temperature change?
In what timespan?

Isnt it like..... 1 degree in 100 years?
Who gives a flying shit about 1 motherfucking degree?

The world wont end, oceans wont boil, life wont just stop.

NOTE:
a hundred years ago the human race didnt even invent a toilet, we didnt know what electricity was, and the main source of transportation was by horse.

Does anybody really think we will:

A: manage to somehow suffocate to death in the next 100 years
B: not invent technology emmitting less polution in the next 100 years deadline, considering we went from horse to Mars in 100 years.


Fucking hippies, i fucking swear.
Also, did you notice, the "global warming" meme is coming mainly from the "holy trio of cuckery"? ie Germany, France and UK.

>hhuuurrr durrr muh paris accord

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>>128720717
>Appeal to authority
Sorry, but the actual data doesn't fit the claims. Call me when you have a model anywhere close to reality.

>>128720717

Argument from authority = not an argument

>>128728167
Do you even know the difference between weather and climate leaf?

>>128720936
Assuming cimate change is anthropogenic in nature, the solution is quite simple and quite obvious.
And quite acceptable to most of /pol/
Reduce humanity's numbers drastically.
I suggest a complete elimination of non-white countries and peoples - we can bring the sheer number of people down below about 1 billion, while ensuring that modern western countries have enough resources to sustain themselves, in balance with nature, for the foreseeable future.

>>128726354
If CAGW was believed in good faith then they would advocate nuking China and India into oblivion.

Or at the very least would give nuclear power a second look. Will Decaprio or Gore do that?
How can I take them seriously?

>>128727642

they just had an extremely low threshold as to what constitutes 'climate change caused by humans'. it was basically do greenhouse gases warm the earth and do humans contribute to greenhouse gases. it didn't matter by how much or whether we needed to reduce it or whether it would do anything if we did. the left has taken that and decided that 97% agree we need to gut our economy, destroy small business by increasing regulations and fund pet research projects that will help them win elections.

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>>128720717
>CLIMATE CHANGE SCIENTISTS SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL
>GHOST SCIENTISTS SAY GHOSTS ARE REAL
What a concept. I hate groupthink and it depresses me without end to see so many young people all thinking the same way.

>>128722731
No, stop. That is not relevant to the discussion. If you want to talk about toxins, talk about toxins. If you want to talk about water pollution, talk about water pollution.

If you want to talk about "climate change," show actual evidence. There is none. None of the models are even remotely accurate. There is zero reason to believe in it.

climate change is retarded, but I would like to see less pollution. I think that's something we can agree on.

>>128728380

You could have a major impact on climate change by just banning immigration from third world countries. Their per capita consumption increases by orders of magnitude when they get asylum in the EU.

>>128728540
Oh, I'm sure there are many valid possible solutions.
I just want one with the largest amount of genocide possible.

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>>128728211
So fuck it, good idea tomasz, let's just burn all the forests, kill all the wildlife, and pollute all the oceans.

Don't worry the market will sort it out by 'inventing oxygen domes and shit'.

>>128728723

Understandable. Provided you always frame it as a pure interest in reducing man-made climate change (with genocide being just a means of getting it sorted), you've just as much respectability as the left on the issue.

>>128728465
>No, stop. That is not relevant to the discussion. If you want to talk about toxins, talk about toxins. If you want to talk about water pollution, talk about water pollution.
This, once you beat the faggots CO2 data they just start screaming about some other pollution.

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>>128727753
I'm aware of all the things you mention, in fact, I think I can even beat what you said.
If you look at sea ice extent averaged over all of Antarctica, there is actually a very slight trend towards more sea ice. And if you look at the surface temperatures over the entire Antarctic continent, there isn't even a statistically significant warming trend yet.

But I don't feel particularly "wrung" by that point since I was talking about what glaciologists, geologists and climatologists see as very real long-term(!) possibilities for the antarctic ice sheet. The processes I have described would take place on a century timescale.

P.S. I wouldn't recommend using ice mass as an argument for global cooling since even the modest gains in Antarctica are strongly offset by the 270 Gt/year ice loss by Greenland and the 300 Gt/year mass loss by the worlds glaciers

Climate change lost me as soon as it had to be something to "believe in" instead of something that can be proven.

The proof is not there, the evidence is highly biased and speculative and fits an agenda.

They are going to need to do better than that before it can be considered science.

>>128728789
We will all be dead by then, so who cares.

>>128728789
That's one slippery slope you have there edge lord. Did your mother lube it up for you?

>>128728789
It is subhumans that are doing most the polluting anyways not whitey.

>>128728913
Like I said before Hans, your 100 years of data is irrelevant to the study. It would be like buying a 100 year old stock based on it's performance over the last 8 minutes.

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>>128728789

>So fuck it, good idea tomasz, let's just burn all the forests, kill all the wildlife, and pollute all the oceans.

hyperbole much?

Most of the entire planet is filled with either forests, or water.

Even if every human being went on a crusade to eliminate every tree in existence, not only would it be pointless, it still would take a lot of time, not to mention nobody would do it, anyway.

I can bet 20$ with anybody on /pol, that if you drive 3 miles in any random direction, you'll end up in a forest, that's filled with life and nobody wants to cut down.

>buuutt muuuhhh scientissssssts

>>128720717
Appeal to authority is not an argument.

>>128720717
In defense of my retarded country, most of us still believe in God.

We're two spots away from being a theocracy at times. The only thing saving us is our remaining German blood, and influx of overqualified immigrants escaping this shit countries.

>>128729545
>this

their*

Unironically Alex Jones. Can't trust anyone these days but he's been right more often than not.

>>128729303
there is no reason to assume that ice sheets (and consequently sea level) suddenly change their behavior now, compared to the past.

And the past clearly shows that ice sheets can collapse, and they can collapse fast in response to even modest amounts of warming.

97% consensus is a fabrication. Debunked long ago.

Decent bait though. 6/10.

>>128720717
>climate change is killing our planet!!
>btw ban all nuclear power

>>128725162
because he stood up to Drumpf because muh climate, and had nothing at all to do with the billions in sweat heart politically connected deals that are now in jeopardy with the pull out.

Fuck elon musk

>>128729520
>I can bet 20$ with anybody on /pol, that if you drive 3 miles in any random direction, you'll end up in a forest, that's filled with life and nobody wants to cut down.

You'd better hand it over then. I live in Cobar.

>>128720717
>Hmm, I wonder who I trust more on this issue. Scientists who dedicate their lives to monitoring the atmosphere, or conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.
Would these be the same scientists who are now telling us gender chromosomes aren't real?

>>128721427

Yes, the 97% thing is just a meme. I've been telling people this for years. But people in general are dumb enough to believe that 97% of the world's scientists literally actually voted and chiseled into stone that global warming is real and it's happening right now, and it's all our fault, and the west must subject itself to humiliating ball-crushing deals in order to prostrate itself in front of the world.

The whole fucking thing is a religion, with excommunication and everything.

>>128724953

Won't building nuclear reactors be extremely dangerous since they will be easy targets for the religion of peace?

>>128729839

touche, i forgot about 'stralia.

but you guys are in another dimension anyways, its like living on Catachan.

>>128722189
What was the driving force for the ice ages?
Automobiles?
Why is it that meteorologists cannot accurately predict weather a few days out, yet climate change scientists claim their models are 100% correct.
Didn't algore (inventor of the internet) predict 8" rise in 2010, of the ocean due to the polar ice caps melting?

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>>128720717
Appeal to authority is not an argument, but climate change is real.

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>>128729520
There used to be bears, wolves , beavers and wild boar where I live . Now we get the odd hedgehog and voles.
We did manage to bring the Red Kite back from the brink but that's it.

Reality is, when all the megafauna are gone from the wild, no one will really care, as long as taxes are low.

>Holocene extinction

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>>128720717
>believing peer review science on """climate change""" after 1. they literally had to stop using the term "global warming" because it was inaccurate and 2. the "hide the decline" email leaks years ago
gg bro, are you going to state that marconi invented the radio next?

>>128720717
It's a scam to force us into paying a carbon tax. I thank God for president Trump's conviction to keep us out of the shitty Paris deal...

Look up carbon PPM levels over the earths history and try to tell me we are anywhere near critical levels at this point. Furthermore, show me at what point in the earth's history did life suffer from increased carbon levels?

Spoiler: it doesn't. Plants get bigger, life-forms evolve.

It's just a shame the best argument the average person has against global warming is, "Shucks, Jesus ain't gonna let that happen."

>>128730219

>There used to be bears, wolves

nothing to do with climate change or global warming, gav.

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>>128729655
The sea levels 20,000 years ago were 500M lower so low in fact that the natives were able to cross the Bering straits. We know this can't be attributed to AGW because we weren't burning fossil fuels at the time. Why should we be "shocked" by changing sea levels?

>>128730376
All Caused by humans though

Fuck (((scientists))) and fuck Alex Jones. (((Science))) has been taken over by blue haired pansexuals who spout bullshit Jewfacts and Alex Jones is a blatant conman with a Bill Mitchell tier addiction to tonguing Trumps ass so he can sell fake meds to the inbred yokels who post awoos in Trump gens and beat off to transexuals in MAGA hats on Redbit.
Climate change is fucking bullshit and everyone without purple hair who is older than ten knows it is bullshit because the (((scientists))) conclusively proved that we were all going to be dead by global warming five years ago.
Fuck off with this crypto-marxist bullshit faggot.

>>128730605

Proofs?

Oh right you can't. The whole thing is built on an assumption without any evidence, just conjecture and speculation, and computer models.

>>128722673
http://grist.org/climate-energy/there-is-no-consensus/

>>128730605
>The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.

>>128730219
>hunting has something to do with heat
also if you knew shit about nature you'd know the next mass extinction event will cause all genes to go apeshit mode and rapidly evolve, filling the gaps. which has happened before.

>>128723500
Yeah, and Hillary Clinton stood in front of a crowd in Florida and blamed their recent hurricane on global warming, as if Florida wouldn't be hit by hurricanes every year with or without humanity existing at all. When I was in school, they predicted that global warming would increase the rate of hurricanes. Since the rate of hurricanes actually ended up going down, they had to re-adjust their prediction to say we'll get fewer but stronger hurricanes (which also hasn't been proven). And if the rate ever sees an upswing I'm sure the "consensus" will change yet again. That's how it goes when people make theories from empirical curve-fitting.

>>128730868
>ignores methane

>>128730145
>What was the driving force for the ice ages?
the pacemaker was Northern hemispheric summer insolation
But I feel like I have to point out that CO2 is still highly important in this because it's a necessary feedback loop to actually cause or terminate glaciation (insolation alone isn't anywhere near strong enough for that) and a mechanism for globalizing the signal.

>Why is it that meteorologists cannot accurately predict weather a few days out, yet climate change scientists claim their models are 100% correct?

first, climatologists don't think their models are 100% correct. When you talk to some actual climate modelers, they will drop phrases like "All models are wrong", by which they mean that models are simplifications by defintion that constantly need to be updated and corrected,

Secondly, weather is very different from climate, because weather describes all meteorological phenomena over a short-term (a few days), while climate is the mean of all meteorological phenomena over the long-term (usually 30 years). Climate is much easier to "predict" than weather because the large day-to-day fluctuations and localized effects get averaged out when you look at longer timescales and hemispheric or global data sets.

>>128730868
>(greater than 95 percent probability)

Guess who had a greater than 95 percent probability of becoming president of the USA.

>muh high confidence

>>128730857
You mean apart from the overwhelmingly evidence?

You got any proof that the climate change is not being influenced by man?

Inb4 hurr durr climate has changed in the past without man; ice age and shit, and 'global cooling meme'

>>128729944
Since when is America west?

>>128720717
nice way of chaining
> happening
and
> human caused
it's like they knew which answer the wanted to get beforehand...

>>128720717
Climate change is real but that doesn't mean that renegotiating the Paris deal is a bad idea. Trump is a deal maker.

>>128731132
>You mean apart from the overwhelmingly evidence?

MUH OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE

You retards put all your chips on man-made global warming, but all your models are fucked up.

Temperature goes up first, then CO2 goes up. We're at a solar minimum right now too, and the meme that the earth is so delicate and hypersensitive to a half a degree temperature change because of human activity is pure arrogance on your part.

>Inb4 hurr durr climate has changed in the past without man; ice age and shit, and 'global cooling meme'

You're just upset because something so simple wrecks your entire model.

GG faggot, suck on that paris accord bullshit all by yourself, choke on it.

>>128731256

Shut up, roach.

I saw two of your disgusting looking kind at the bank yesterday, you hideous goat people make me sick.

>no replys
every fucking time. go fund the next 3 particle colliders you hacks, you know shit about science.

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>>128722954

Oh really, how so?

>>128731058
Yeah methane
>The amount of methane in the atmosphere has more than doubled in the past 250 years. It has been responsible for about a fifth of global warming.

Rice paddies, Cattle Farming, Coal mines, burning forests

>>128731442
Did run run away in fear to your momy?
Don't worry all they want is women.

>>128722444
citing a source without any known credibility other than a title given to them is appealing to authority. Just because a group of people are scientists does not mean they are going to be correct about everything.

>>128722444
oh, the irony of
> cognitive dissonance
while falling for the appeal to authority fallacy

what a waste of digits

>>128731132

It is being influenced by man a very small amount. The sun influences the climate about 10000 times more than man does. There is jack shit we can do to disrupt our nature climate cycles, which include warming and cooling.

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>>128731032
>decades to millennia.
Cant you see that global warming... err I mean climate change is causing more, i mean less hurricanes?

Well of course it's happening, it's a non-issue though

>>128731132
Gee wiz, Carl the Britcuck.... It's almost as if all of the massive fluctuations in carbon levels over the earths history were all caused by industrial revolutions we never read about!
>coorellation doesn't equal causation
>what is methane
>what was the ice age
>what is.... you're gay

>>128720717
No + Don't know
vs
Yes

Look, this is the same problem athiests have got themselves into.

You are putting two options on one side and only one on the other with the typical state of not knowing in the middle and away from you.

You are also forgetting the options of killing all of the wastes-of-space in Africa and the ME in utero.

This is a political matter.

You are presenting a sales pitch + political-philosophical system along with BLACKMAIL BY OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES THAT DON'T SPEND THAT ON CREATING SUSTAINABLE SOCIETIES

and presenting it as the only option. It is not.

>>128731703

If anyone wants to curb any human behavior in an attempt to halt this global warming bogeyman, look to China, look to India. Go talk to them, convince them to clean up their act.

China won't do shit about the environment until 2030, then they're going to try to lock their emissions at whatever they're at then. India? Who fucking knows, they're probably responsible for half the world's methane with all the shit everywhere, with sacred cows farting and burping between the piles.

>>128731353
But it doesn't Chad...
In big boy subjects like Science, complicated issues are multifaceted and there is no simple answer.
That's why evidence has to be gathered by people more intelligent than me, and certainly more than you, over decades to draw conclusions.

Simple people have made up their mind before the result. If the evidence suggests otherwise , then opinions should change.

You are literally living proof of
> you can wake someone whose is a asleep, you can never wake someone pretending to be asleep.

>>128730400
I just gave you a couple of reasons

the geologic record shows very clearly that sea level rise can occur rapidly in response to small changes in the planetary energy balance.

You mentioned the last glacial maximum for example. When you take a look at what happened at the end of that. At the peak of glacial disintegration, meltwater runoff reached a time when sea level rise was ~4m/century.

It doesn't mean that we will see the same rates in the near future (there were much more ice around that time to be melted for one), but it should give any reasonable person pause when you realize that this took place in response to an initial forcing that is much smaller than the anthropogenic forcing of today (>0.7 W/m2 compared to ~2W/m2 today)

>>128728486
Not a bad idea. China should be sanctioned to all hell in this case except the chinks own our fucking government

LOVE how the CBC yaps about trump and Russia while silent on all the donations Trudeau has gotten from China

>>128731068
Do you think Bill Nye is really someone the climate people want on their side? He did say that science is settled on this and that 100% of global warming is because of humans, and anybody that says otherwise should go to prison.

That sounds counter productive as fuck.

>>128721427
Also, i dont think they asked to what degree is climate change in its currend trend is human caused and what if anything can be done to solve it.

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Cant you see climate change means more, err i mean less snow.

Climate change is whatever the scientist want it to be that day goy.

>>128728210

Thanks saved.

>>128731560
And the massive inexplicable methane release areas in the ocean?

Ah not part of your agenda to blame people, tax, and ultimately depopulate the earth. Got it.

>>128731976
>In big boy subjects like Science, complicated issues are multifaceted and there is no simple answer.

Yet you have the answer, and it is a carbon tax.

>Simple people have made up their mind before the result.

Ironic since you're basing your entire religion off of what 75 people said back in 2009. Do you even know any of their names?

>You are literally living proof of "you can wake someone whose is a asleep, you can never wake someone pretending to be asleep."

The irony is lost on you.

>>128723750
>feminism
>one of /pol/'s strengths

brb laffin

>>128731953
Per capita you are the worst , and have been for the last 100 years. Stop passing the buck.

>2006
>"97% PERCENT OF SCIENTISTS SAY CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T REAL! THEY'RE ALL GETTING PAYED BY OIL COMPANIES!"
I guess they all stopped getting payed all together, hmm?
Nobody could possibly be paying them now. They just started telling the truth. Right?

>>128731667
>falling for the appeal to authority fallacy

I guess you don't go to the doctor when you are sick, that would be an appeal to authority after all!

>>128732197
I see you skipped the 250 years point which strangely is in line with the industrial revolution.

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>>128731084
>polling is scientific

I guess, I mean are we asking the oceans or the atmosphere?

>>128726589
Australia's 1.2% global contribution represents a 0.07% total global savings at a 5% reduction given the most ambitious reduction plan of the nations in the agreement. It is all in the post.

>>128732259
>Per capita you are the worst

PAY FOR YOUR SINS FOREVER GOY WITH THIS HANDY DANDY CARBON TAX

No, fuck off. China and India need to at least put scrubbers on their fucking factories and power plants. Go bitch at them, use your precious carbon tax to pay for their scrubbers or something, we're sick of playing to your disjointed tune.

Until you physically go to India or China and convince them to use cleaner technologies, you'll just be some useless cucked limey faggot on a mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>128720717
(((Scientists))), why don't you explain what geoengineering is and what it's used for and explain the effects of space weather on earth... go

>>128731988
>It doesn't mean that we will see the same rates in the near future
No shit. It doesn't mean we won't either. It simply denotes our lack of understanding.

>>128731737

Fantastic just need to make that pic more Boxxy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

>>128732048
I'm not a fan of Bill Nye, I think he is a terrible spokesperson for climate science. Sometimes it gets really apparent that he just doesn't know the science, so his go-to response to almost anything is the argument of "It's settled".

Now as a matter of fact, the scientific basics that underpin global warming (the radiative properties of CO2 and so on) really are about as settled as it gets but Nye should recognize that he wont be able to convince any skeptics if that's his response to anything.

When someone asks you "what about the pause in warming in the recent past?", your response shouldn't be about how it's all settled and how much of a consensus there is.

That reminds me
>>128730145
I don't give a damn what Al Gore has to say about anything.

>>128732492

No.

This.

>>128720860

The whole manmade global warming meme started with a poll.

>>128720717
>the scientist that kicked off the climate change, global warming bullshit lied on his research because he was so desperate for countries and people to start becoming tree-hugging faggots
and there is the truth, especially since scientists are being attacked by liberal faggot scientists and shamed/fired from their jobs for not supporting it. there you have it, cocksucker.

>>128732732
>When someone asks you "what about the pause in warming in the recent past?",

I always wondered why the climate cultists never used that as proof their attempts at stopping global warming were working. But that wasn't the response.

>>128722881
But that Arizona Sheriff's department confirmed the birth certificate posted on the white house website was fraudulent, it was copied off a woman born 2 weeks before Obama was

you literally cannot refute it

>>128732657
did you read what I wrote?

there isn't a lack of understanding about what the sea level will do in response to a rise in temperature. The confidence that sea levels will rise by several meters is as strong as it is possible in the natural sciences.

>>128732239
Carbon tax is part of the solution not the single answer.

In a free market , private enterprise will destroy the planet in the name of profit. And I have no issue with that as that is the whole point of if any incorporated business, to make a return for shareholders.

That's why you need Government to regulate and guide business to greater responsibility.

Here in Wales, we had a new tax on plastic bags which everyone chimped out on. Now a few years later plastic bag waste is down 90%.

I would happily pay more taxes and tariffs for food products which are made and have a negative effect on the environment. Milk here is disgustingly cheap.

It seems so fucking pointless that Borneo and Sumatra(the only place in the world with Tigers, Rhinos, Elephants and Orangutans) are wrecked to grow palm oil so I can eat a fucking ceral bar.

>>128732902
>proof their attempts at stopping global warming were working
No if they imply something is working it reduces the threat level. They need to propagate that we are in grave danger and all our efforts are failing to maintain the scam.

>>128720717
>actually asking people
>being compared with inferring what scientists believe from parsing their papers
toplel methodology yehudim

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>Florida looks like pic related
>Conspirifags still denying climate change

It's getting ridiculous now, you look like morons to everyone else

>>128733111
You mean all the rich liberal cunts with oceanfront property are going to get washed out to sea... and in return I will be living even closer to the beach!?!?

Sign me up for climate change f@mpai. I'm getting a fleet of Hummers to run all day just to spite gay boys

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>>128732301
>you poll groups of anonymous doctors and pick the majority decision
vs
>Asking one doctor with a certain specialty and forming a solution to the sickness based on what he recommends and diagnoses

see how one is more scientific than the other for gathering data?

Say you go around asking your neighbors why putting fertillizer on their lawn is good for healthy grass. If a majority of them say "i don't know" does that mean the science behind fertillizer on grass is yet to be proven?

If it was real, it would be a service for mankind, failed harvests wont really stave whites, only overbreeding chinks and nignogs will starve.

But before that happens the effects of climate change will be made illegal by the leftists, because restricting and prohibiting always works

>>128732902
that wouldn't make much sense either, because with what we know about CS and the TCR, the globe would continue to warm (by just under another 1°C), even if our carbon emissions were to drop to zero tomorrow.

So any efforts to stop emissions wouldn't be visible in the temperature record for quite some time.

>>128733181
>I would happily pay more taxes and tariffs
>t. brain dead mongrel

>>128733381
it's a swamp

remember to surrender your balls to Theresa May

>>128732586
The numbers calculated are the total cost from all nations spending money to reduce CO2. The levels of reduction in CO2 calculated are however ONLY for Australia, not China or USA or India or Mexico or Brazil. I want the total reduction globally from all partners based on their commitments to be used in the calculation, not just Australia.

>>128733111
So water are you trying to say ? That ice turns to water when it melts ?

That's great Hans. Keep fighting the good fight.

>>128720717
stupid shill

A paper by five leading climatologists published in the journal Science and Education found only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate studies examined in Cook’s study explicitly stated mankind has caused most of the warming since 1950 — meaning the actual consensus is 0.3 percent.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/16/propoganda-top-mit-climate-scientist-trashes-97-consensus-claim/

>>128720717
there is no "97%" with scientists, that was a random hyperbole stat made up by the nigger Obama....you stupid nigger

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>>128729944
>The whole fucking thing is a religion, with excommunication and everything.
This right here is everything you need to know.
>>128730184
Picture related.

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>>128729577
He used to be way better, too. He, along with 99.99999999999999999999% of the country are getting more and more polar.
I like watching his older documentaries where he calls out everyone in authority. He named specific laws and executive orders, crashed secret meetings, etc. Now he's just the lunatic version of Joe Rogan with some small daily red pills.

>>128720717
And who is paying the grants climate change scientists are so completely dependant on.... and when you have worked that out tell me what their agenda is...

>>128732902
Bill's " muh grapes" comment completely glossed over the fact that the reason it was so cold back then was because of the " mini ice age" which was caused by less sun spots than usual and just happened to end a few decades before the industrial revolution.