>Catholicucks >giving divine religious authority to a

>>128703214
catholicism is essentially paganism (religion of our ancestors) with a jew facade. protestantism is the jew facade without the pagan roots

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>>128703214
I am.

That's bullshit.
This whole thing is bullshit.
That's a scam.
Fuck the Church.
Here's 95 reasons why.

>>128703214
God is a meme

>>128703214
>Beaner
>Argentinian
>Murica geography

>>128703214
>even if it is to tear down your nation's border
I don't know of any Christians that don't support importing tons of immigrants and refugees and generally supporting foreign scum.

protestantism

>feeling like a jew when u had to pay gold to the church for various bullshit
>tell the pope to fuck off and disobey him
>believe in jew christianity but without the pope.

Weren't the Protestants the first to setup banks and charge usury like the Jews?

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>>128703214
Long Live The Reformation.
Fuck all Cathocucks

>>128704244
me

>>128703214
> P R O T E S T A NT
>defies and knows the Jew well
>so well that the dominant strains of Protestantism denounce Catholicism for not being jewish enough
Won't cry for you apostates.
>>128704379
>Weren't the Protestants the first to setup banks and charge usury like the Jews?
This bong gets it.

>>128704379
Yes.

>>128703214
Modern Protestantism worships Jews and Israel and dildoes.

>>128704244
In my village even the Catholic priest said that we're fighting another holy war against Islam after 500 years.

The only thing that is imoortant is that jesus was a the most humvle kindest man ever to exist.. to hate on the pope for trying to be a fraction of that makes you a fucming retard.

>you need to need to lie down kike.

>>128703214
>decadent wasteful churches

What is wasteful about beautiful buildings you cultureless no-foreskin? The Vatican has some of the most important works of art in history.

>>128703758
HI LEDDIT

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Cuz groups like the Unitarian church, Lutherans, other liberal denominations, fuck, even MOST fundamentalist christians are totally redpilled right? Oh wait. You're just a sad little fuckwit that is the odd combination of protestant and nazfag, so you want to try and justify one ideology with the other. Here's a hint boyo: protestantism has nothing to do with white supremacy. How bout you do the world a favor and KYS.

Its all the same shit, don't believe any of these middle eastern religions, they all work like this:
- Take some truths only older people discover cause life experience is needed to see them
- Add some feel-good stuff for women
- Mix it with bullshit to further your groups cause
- Claim it to be "holy/special"

It's all BS, stay away from it.

- Badly written with unfounded claims
- No coherent logic
- Need to do mental gymnastics to make it work

No-one in the church/mosques knows how this stuff works, is supposed to be or what its common ground is- simply cause there is no "standardization" of God and everyone has a different opinion on how to interpret.

Biggest pile of shit ever if you put all single pieces together.

Pro Tip: Divide the world into faggots and winners, that works, religion does not.

>following the teachings of a German autist fascinated with feces
>elaborated his "salvation by faith" heresy on the shitter
>forced a nun out of the convent to marry her like the good degenerate he was

>>128705383
preachers need wives and children
1 timothy 3
1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

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>>128703214

>>128705584
still not justified to force a nun out of her convent, the holy wovs she made before God.

but it's not surprising, you protestants respect nothing, except money.

>>128705698
God never told anyone to live celibate life
he wants his followers to have lots of kids
Genesis 1
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

>>128705584
That's not a mandated requirement dipshit its saying that he is a pious man that's got his shit together.
Also the reason why Catholic priests are required to be unmarried with few exceptions is the Tradition of the Catholic church.

>>128706333
it says he needs to be able to rule his house to rule the church
if he doesn't have a wife or kids there's no one to rule
celibacy is from a doctrine that arose in 300 AD
the catholic church literally makes up rules

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at least the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus himself, not by some butthurt dude

>>128706595
It's literally saying that if he can't handle a family he wouldn't be able to handle a parish. The reason why it mentions the parts of the family is because married priests were prevalent at that time. The idea of celibacy became codified in the 16th Century, not the 4th...

>>128703214
>Protestantism
>"Were Christians but without the annoying Morality"

>>128705048
>Unitarians
They are barely even a Christian church. They're the wayward cousin of the family.
>>128705859
The OT has been superseded, fake Jew.
>>128706595
Whereas Protestants simply pull theirs out of their ass based loosely upon OT verses that agree with what their feels at any given moment. Protties are faker than Islam.

>>128703214

What gives Luther authority?

>>128703214
It is known
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF170B126002E7CB0

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Does protestantism have these cool outfits? I don't think so. BTFO.

>>128703214
A heresy of a heresy is 2x times the shit...

Orthodox is the only true way as Catholicucks split from us. Also fuck Russia. Shows how much you know about us.

>>128707358
stfu monkey

you don't have any claim to any european strand of christianity at all

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>>128707406

buddy maybe you don't know that your leaders already recognised the pope as protos a few years ago

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I'd rather have the Pope kiss a nigger foot than have this.

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>>128707552
>stfu monkey

remember that this is the average american on /pol/

>>128707695
t. Khalil

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Thanks Protties.

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>>128707552
>the most catholic country in the world

Burger, please. Go talk about flat Earth in your 121483295257 denomination of "christianism".

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Thanks Protties

>>128707594
Yeah bullshit.
Your pope is just a pedophile who covers for the rest of the pedophiles in your little heretical cult.

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>>128703214

Implying I'm not

>>128703535
this

>>128707845
I don't even want to know how you got a 71% match with them.
>okay, maybe a little curious

>>128707873
whereas, in Protestantism, pedophilia begins at home

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>>128707880
>retard uses physical appearance to justify gender roles.
No different than Muhammad

>>128707134
it says "must be"
that means required
also, please learn about your own denomination's history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Elvira#The_canons
>>128707232
The Old Testament has not been superseded. God is eternal and His character is unwavering. Jesus did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. I posted the verse from Genesis to show that it has ALWAYS been God's plan for us to have children.
Even so, I don't think you've actually read the bible, seeing how the first verse I posted was actually from the New Testament. I think you're the one denying the Lord because of your feelings, friend.
It doesn't surprise me. Those in charge of the catholic church have never liked it when their patrons read the Bible.

>>128703758
XDDDD

>>128707672
Do you understand that you are directly supporting a pedophile satanic cult to molest more children?
Wake up, your last 3-4 popes have apologized profusely to the Orthodox but we'll never have your celibate pedophile priests or their "infallible" pope back.
Once a heretic always a heretic.

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Well, I guess I should be getting to bed! Good night! And please don't swear if you can help it, It's not becoming of a Christian!
Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

>>128703214
Malachi Martin: Christ's Design for His Church / The Antichrist / The new world order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT9xRMwXaZI&feature=youtu.be

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catholicism having pagan roots is not a good thing u dumb atheists

Revelation 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

>and idolaters

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>tfw too smart to believe in a god

>>128708063
The_canons
A synod is not an ecumenical council and therefore has no authority over the whole church. In fact, a lot of these "canons" seem outright absurd and not in line with Catholicism to begin with. This could be one of the origins of the practice of celibacy, but it is not an official endorsement by the Catholic church as a whole.

>>128704244
you dont know alot of Christians do you?

>>128703214
Lutheran myself.

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>>128703214
>giving divine religious authority to a south american beaner that licks nigger feet

>>128707952
t.ahmed

>>128708251
no one wants you back, you turk rape baby gyro eating retard.

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>>128703535
>Jew facade

Over the years maybe, there was a time when the Catholic church and antisemitism were the same.

Tell me when Protestantism doesn't contradict the early christians

>>128708063
>synod of elvira
>no context to understand prohibition of images
>still contradict Protestantism

Why I am not Protestant?

The fathers of the church spoke as they did because they regarded themselves as interpreters of the Scriptures. Therefore they are not to be made a substitute for the Scriptures; nor can the Scriptures be understood apart from the authoritative interpretation which tradition places upon them...if tradition is primitive, Protestant theology must admit that ‘Scripture alone’ requires redefinition. (Jaroslav Pelikan, Obedient Rebels, Harper & Row: New York, N. Y., 1964, p. 180 – bold emphasis mine.)

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>>128703214
Because protestantism hates christianity

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>>128703214
Because protestantism is a contradiction

The divine Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, as opposed to human writings; and the oral tradition or living faith of the catholic church from the apostles down, as opposed tothe varying opinions of heretical sects—together form one infallible source and rule of faith. Both are vehicles of the same substance: the saving revelation of God in Christ; with this difference in form and office, that the church tradition determines the canon, furnishes the key and true interpretation of the Scriptures, and guards them against heretical abuse. (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Eerdmans: Grand Rapids, MI, 1981 ed., vol. 3, p. 606 – bold emphasis mine.)

Remember, Schaff IS A PROTESTANT

Perhaps the most important aspect of the rule of faith is that it gives us what the Church conceived to be ‘the main body of truth’ (to use Irenaeus’ phrase). The Scriptures are, after all, a body of documents testifying to God’s activity towards men in Christ. They are not a rule of faith, nor a list of doctrines, nor a manual of the articles of a Christian man’s belief. In the rule of faith we have a key to what the Church thought the Scriptures came to, where it was, so to speak, that their weight fell, what was their drift. This interpretation of their drift was itself tradition, a way of handling the Scriptures, a way of living in them and being exposed to their effect, which, while not an original part of the Christian Gospel, not itself the paradosis par excellence, had been developed from the Gospel itself, from its heart, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as an essential part of the existence of the Christian faith in history…

We cannot recognize the rule of faith as original tradition, going back by oral continuity independently of Scripture to Christ and his apostles. But we can recognize it as the tradition in which the Church was interpreting Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and as such claim it as an essential ingredient of historical Christianity. (R.P.C. Hanson, Tradition In The Early Church, pp. 128, 129

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No matter how cucked the catholic church becomes, no matter how low it falls protestants will always be bellow it.
You're the retards that had "lesbian bishops demands removal of crosses from her churches to not offend muslims"

If you really cared about Christianity you'd convert to the Eastern Orthodox Church

The first clear attitude to emerge on the relation between Scripture, tradition and the church was the coincidence view: that the teaching of the church, Scripture and tradition coincide. Apostolic tradition is authoritative but does not differ in content from the Scriptures. The teaching of the church is likewise authoritative but is only the proclamation of the apostolic message found in Scripture and tradition. The classical embodiment of the coincidence view is found in the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian.

These both reject the Gnostic claims to a secret tradition supplementing Scripture. Apostolic tradition does not add to Scripture but is evidence of how it is correctly to be interpreted. This tradition is found in those churches which were founded by the apostles, who taught men whose successors teach today. These apostolic churches agree as to the content of the Christian message, in marked contrast to the variations among the heretics. It is important to note that it is the church which is the custodian of Scripture and tradition and which has the authentic apostolic message. There was no question of appealing to Scripture or tradition against the church. This is partly because the apostolic tradition was found in the church but not just for this reason: the Holy Spirit preserves the church from error and leads her into the truth. The real concern of Irenaeus and Tertullian was not with the relation between Scripture and tradition but with the identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching. Any exposition of their teaching on Scripture and tradition which fails to show this is to that extent defective. (A.N.S. Lane, “Scripture, Tradition and Church: An Historical Survey”, Vox Evangelica, Volume IX – 1975, pp. 39, 40 – bold emphasis mine.)

>>128703214
>literally worse than Jews
>ruined Europe
>ruined the US
Gee, I sure wonder why I'm not a protestant.

Regardless of the teachings or foundation of Catholicism giving it legitimacy, can Catholics agree that their Church is irreparably corrupted today?

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>>128715862
the infallible unbreakable word of the mediator of god


pic related

>>128703214
>P R O T E S T A NT
>defies and knows the Jew well
Do Americucks actually believe this? Most protestant parties in the west re the biggest Israeli shills in existence. They understand that a church with no leadership or voice is easy to corrupt and nearly every notable protestant is their slave. Catholics got infiltrated pretty hard but at least we have plenty of people in the upper echelon of the church who will undo cuck Popes mess once he dies. You guys have nothing that can save you.

>>128704115
Well an argentinian is about as white as a beaner. Or you, for that matter.

>>128704379
Actually the pope forbide ursury, thats why jews were taking off spain with the muslims too

>>128716208
you're just mad a Protestant raped your catholicuck dad.

>>128716206
>>After all, in their exegesis the early Church theologians neither received the Bible as a 'Bible without notes' nor interpreted it in a vacuum. They received along with the Bible a tradition of interpreting it for a worshipping community and they proceeded to interpret it for a worshipping community. The study of the Bible as a scientific discipline to be carried on for its own sake was very far from their thought, and at all times has been, one suspects, a mere will-o'-the-wisp. This does not mean that the Fathers sacrificed everything for the sake of the edification of the faithful or for the consistent articulation of a doctrinal system. They sacrificed too much for these ends, but they were not unconscious of limits and controls on this process imposed by the Bible itself. Their purpose in exegesis was nevertheless purely practical, and we do not understand their exegesis until we understand this. They began the story of the Church's relations with the Bible, in which the Bible and the life of the Church were to interact for all the centuries to come, each correcting, deepening, fertilising the other. They inaugurated the Church's dance with the Bible, fancifully perhaps, but not irresponsibly, perhaps erratically, but at least gaily.-Cambridge History of the Bible, pg 453

>>128707358
is that spain or you do too in brail?

a. 1 Cor 11:17–34.
From a literary standpoint the oldest account of the institution of the Lord‘s
Supper is found in 1 Cor 11:23–26. Paul reports the account essentially in the form in which he had
learned to know it in Antioch in the 40‘s and as he had passed it on to the Corinthians when he established
the church there. The traditional words ―receive‖ and ―deliver‖ (paralambanein and paradidonai) in v 23a
are well known in the scholarly language of Rabbinism (cf. Midr. Qoh. 12:11) and of Hellenism (Diod.
5.2,3). They clearly indicate that the vv 23b–25 are a fragment of tradition (possibly with some Pauline
touches). ―From the kyrios‖ points to the earthly Jesus as the source of this catena of traditional elements.
At the same time he is seen as the present exalted Lord who gives the sacrament its permanent validity.
The rather scanty reference to the historic event of the passion in v 23b (―on the night when he was
betrayed‖) sets the words of Institution off from the timeless, cyclic myths and formulae of the Mysteries.

The traditional text lays out another aspect of the meal in which the breaking of the bread at the
beginning of the meal and the blessing of the cup at the end (cf. 11:25a ―in the same way also the cup,
after supper‖) surround the main meal. The words ―for you,‖ spoken at the breaking of the bread, are
addressed to the participants of the Lord‘s Supper; they draw them into participation of the salvatory self sacrifice
of Jesus. The contents of the cup in v 25b are not directly identified as the blood. Rather, in the
foreground stands the sealing of the eschatological new covenant in the death on the cross. Besides its
vertical dimension (the God of the covenant creating a new people), this covenant has a horizontal aspect:
the celebrants are brought together into covenant community.

Anchor Bible Dictionary-Lord's Supper, pg 5363

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>>128716364
>a bunch of heretics wanted to change the bible to be whatever they wanted

o wow this is news to me

>>128716561
>early christians are heretics

“Moreover, aside from these scriptural utterances, let us also consider the tradition and teaching and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, that which the Lord has given, the apostles preached, and the fathers [596A] guarded. This is the foundation on which the Church is established, and the one who strays form it is not a Christian and should no longer be called so…”(Athanasius, Epistola I Ad Serapion – English trans. by Khaled Anatolis, Athanasius, Routledge: London, 2004, p. 227.)

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Sorry apostates

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>>128703214
Proud protestant here, Catholics are a abomination.
They worship a nigger pope before God.

>>128716911
Why did Protestants hate the early christians?

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>>128716835
protestant beliefs are a set of doctrinal beliefs you ascribe to its not a institutional "church" system

>>128716972
Protestantism is a set of mad contradictions

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Luther changed the bible when he translated it to German

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>>128717002
you only have to be right on salvation to be saved

faith alone

check m8.

a lot of prottys arent even saved they believe in faith and works like the cath cucks

I too believe in Sola Fide as described by Osborn in "Clement of Alexandria"

Faith grants divinity to the believer. On the believer rests the head of the universe (we have the mind of Christ, 1 Cor. 2:16), the kind and gentle word who subverts the craftiness and empty thoughts of the wise (1.3.23; 1 Cor. 3:19f ). The faith which, by love, ascends to knowledge is desirable for its own sake. If we had to choose between the knowledge of God and eternal salvation, we should choose knowledge. The soul never sleeps, and the constant exertion of the intelligence is the essence of an intelligent being (4.22.136); this is the divine perfection to which we are called. Faith is always on the move, from faith to faith, moving up the ladder of dialectic. It is the grain of mustard seed which stimulates the soul to grow. Faith is fixed on God and in some way divine, a source of power and stability. From the shifting sands of error, it moves to the firm ground of truth, and there it remains. (pg 172)

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>>128703758
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>*SING SONG VOICE*
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Off you go newfag. Fuck off.

Catholicism is pagan tradition + Christian influence tying it together.

Protestanism is Judaism with Jesus.

Wrong James 2:14

>>128717335
From the next page

The rise of a Christian rule of faith or truth in the second century has been criticised either as a restriction on reason or as part of a decline into intellectualism.9 Yet Tertullian uses it to govern all inquiry: argument from scripture is useless and leads to a pain in the head or belly. Only the rule is decisive, because it comes from an apostolic source, which cannot be denied. Whoever has the rule does not need to go further, for after Christ there is no place for disputation and inquiry (praescr. 7f ). Clement claims that argument needs the rule as starting-point but also insists on the need of scripture for logical inquiry; Irenaeus regards the apostolic preaching which includes the rule as capable of proof from scripture.

>>128716347
Says the one who was more than likely genitally mutilated as a child to honour jewish tradition. Pedophilia in the church was grossly over-exaggerated.

Catholics don't circumcise. I got made fun of by protestant kids during football because my penis wasn't mutilated. Jokes on them

>>128715744
Needs one more
Poltholosism.
Symbolism not Needed.
The Jews were controlling the Women, poisoning the wells, controlling the food stores, destroying crops, and fucking with peoples money.
Jesus told people to stop trusting the Jews.
Much like how Niggers put it today Jesus "made it rain" not physically but with the Jews being actively avoided the sick were no longer drinking poisoned water, the fish were plentiful because they had not been poisoned, Crops grew in fertile land, and prostitution was shunned.
This made the Jews mad that their profits were dwindled. So they had the authority of the land kill Jesus though he had done nothing wrong.
However his followers memed him or Jesus memed himself back to life, or he was divine, or Romans fucked up/deliberately fucked up his execution.

Moral of the Story. Always do opposite of what Jews say and calling out the Jew will get you Crucified

This bait thread never fail i see.

lol @ that one Bong who comes into every one of these threads and becomes a Catholic Answers apologist by citing disputed and sometimes anachronistic scholarship.

no one gives a fuck about your decrepit institution based on forged pseudo-isidorian decretals and 5th century syncretic marian dogmas. kill yourself

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>>128703214
>wahhh my sect is real not yours wahhh
Grow up religicucks you're pathetic

>>128719221
>cambridge
>Schaff
>ANS Lane
>disputed scholarship
Come back when you have proof of this

>>128703214
Catholics defended Europe countless times, protestans in the other hand are just cucks who need to l2christian

>>128703758
I laughed

>>128719439
i do have proof of it, it's called "read more fucking books other than the same fucking scholars you post in every single thread"

academic inquiry is not monolithic you fucking idiot

>>128719619
>no evidence provided
Yawn

>>128719553
to be fair Both of you are heathens.

>>128719686
>im such an apologist shill that I just read shit I think supports an ecclesiastic magisterium
>I can't find opposing scholarship because I'm not actually interested in dialectical discovery, just affirming what i already want to believe
>yawn

>Sees scholarship
>claim disputed and outdated
>offers nothing to prove

>Calvinism
>Hard-working
>broederbond
>You are more jewish than jew, and good with money
>nationalism
>hate for nigs and anglocucks

>>128719835
I ask for evidence for your claim

You provided none

And anyone who goes to Catholic Answers can see that they don't really cite scholarship in the first place except JND Kelly

In contrast I draw from secular and Protestant sources to make my point. I did not go to CA and get them

I READ THEM AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THEM

>>128719835
>Christcucks not seeing the irony about arguing about the truth of slightly different made-up religions.

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>religioncucks
>inb4 hat tip meme

>>128719921
This is Calvinism
I. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;[1] yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[2] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.[3]

II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions;[4] yet has He not decreed anything because He foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.[5]

III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels[6] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.[7]

IV. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.[8]

V. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to His eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will, has chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory,[9] out of His mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving Him thereunto;[10] and all to the praise of His glorious grace.[11]

>>128703535
That's is offensive to pagan

>>128719958
I only show that Protestantism is inconsistent with Early Christianity

And notice how when I present scholarship, the Protestant claims they are disputed and outdated but provided no references to back his point up

Why is that?

>>128720030
And no

This is not from Catholic Answers dumb proddies

It is from your own confession

>>128720117
probably because they don't give a fuck about interacting with you on a Japanese image board

>>128703214
Catholicism saved the sciences in Europe through the Dark Ages and was the Kit that Held Europe together for 1500 years

Protestantism created the two worst wars in Europe (Thirty years war and Bauernaufstände in Germany and eastern Europe)
Made the Swedes and Anglos into giant cucks with their Idea of a non tribal Society
Weakened the Eastern and middle European countries (Catholic and Orthodox alike) who fought against Islam for centuries

>>128720264
>I read more than you
>but I am not going to prove it or provide any sources
Tell me when you actually have something

I am waiting

I bet this is outdated

David J. Downs, Alms: Charity, Reward, and Atonement in Early Christianity (Baylor University Press, 2016), will be an enlightening and stimulating read for many. His central thesis is that early Christian texts of the first three centuries reflect the beliefs that doing acts of kindness/mercy (including, but not restricted to financial assistance) was widely encouraged, was portrayed as something that God would reward eschatologically, and was also regarded as a way of atoning for sins.

Downs also shows cogently that this view seems to have sat comfortably alongside the conviction that Jesus’ death was the supreme and unique atonement for sins. In some texts, the explicit distinction is that Jesus’ death atones for pre-baptismal sins and merciful-acts help cover post-baptismal sins. In other texts, however, the distinction isn’t so sharp, and the authors simply affirm the uniqueness of Jesus’ atoning death alongside exhortations to merciful acts as also “covering a multitude of sins.”

And no, it isn't from Catholic Answers

It is from Larry Hurtardo who is a Protestant scholar

And no, Baylor is NOT a Catholic institution

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>>128703214
Nearly entire eastern europe is orthodox, not only Russia
>Burger education
Proteshits ruined europe with their disgusting """teachings"""

>>128707358
What in oblivion is that?

Check out Alms: Charity, Reward and Atonement in Early Christianity

Writing some seventeen centuries earlier, in language no less lyrical, the anonymous author of the Epistle to Diognetus reflects a similar sentiment on the death of Christ as the only means of atonement for sin: In his mercy God took our sins upon himself. He himself handed over his own son as a ransom for us. . . . For what else but the righteousness of that Son could have covered our sins? In whom is it possible that we, lawless and ungodly, could be justified, except in the Son of God only? O, the sweet exchange! O, the incomprehensible creative act of God! O, the unexpected benefactions! That the sinfulness of many should be hidden in one righteous person, and the righteousness of one should justify many lawless people! (Diogn. 9.2-5) 2 Given the extent to which these two poetic declarations of the belief that only Jesus’ death can wash or cover sins capture a theological position reflected in various strands of contemporary Christian faith and practice, it may come as a surprise to some that many Christian authors in the second through the fourth centuries (and beyond) frequently advocated another means of cleansing sin: care for the poor. An example from the fourth century provides an interesting initial illustration of the close connection between care for the poor and the cleansing—or, in this case, destruction—of sin in patristic sources. (pg. 2)

And no, this isn't Catholic Answers

It is even published by a Protestant institution

Seize, therefore, and fulfill the commandment [i.e., the commandment to show pity on the hungry] as you would take hold of a fugitive, securing it from all sides with grasping hands and encircling arms. Give a little and gain much; destroy the original sin by freely distributing food. For as sin came through Adam’s evil act of eating, so we ourselves blot out his treacherous consumption if we remedy the need and hunger of a brother.5 5 Basil, In famem et siccitatem, PG 31.303–28 [324]; trans. from Susan R. Holman, The Hungry Are Dying: Beggars and Bishops in Roman Cappadocia (Oxford Studies in Historical Theology; Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2001), 191. Excellent accounts of Basil’s activities and preaching during the food shortage can be found in Holman, Hungry, 64–98; and Richard D. Finn, Almsgiving in the Later Roman Empire: Christian Promotion and Practice (313–450) (Oxford Classical Monographs; Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2006), 222–36.

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>>128703535

>jew facade
>pic related

>>128703214
Lol no. We don't have to follow every word the Pope says. Hell, alot of Catholics disagree with him on many things (including immigration). The Pope is but a man, he is not divine, he is just a man. And men make mistakes.

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Not surprised the atheist are here. Orthodox and Catholics are bro teir. As of now I would say orthodox is number one as far as Christians go until this anti pope dies. There is a polish cardinal idk his name but he based beyond belief he should be the next pope if Francis doesn't shit the church down the drain.

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>>128703214
>being a christ cuck

I get triggered so hard when protestants say we "worship" the pope. Plenty of Catholics don't like Francis.

>>128722540
Protestent Christianity is the way God intended, Catholicism is heresy that doesn't follow the bible and pulled shit out of it's
>worshipping humans like gods
Fucking cucked

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>>128722728
so why even be a catholic if you dont accept the pope

>>128722728
You worship pedophile priests, pseudo christian scum
How can God be in your church when there is such an epidemic of pedophiles cathocuck?

>>128722885
why even live in the united states if you don't like the president?

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>>128722845
Explain this

lol calling the kettle black there using the word heresy you're entire "theology" is heresy. 2000 years of theology is on the Catholics side. We don't worship the pope.

>>128722885
Why be a protestant when history contradicts it

>>128721895
>>128721605

>>128723135
Don't forget >>128721605


Refutes SOLAE fide

And written by a protestant

A bad leader doesn't undo 2000 years of theology.

>>128704348
The pope nowadays is a Jew puppet so what is your point?

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>>128723015
i do like the president but under obama i could see moving

Nobody worships priest, Do you worship you're deacon or pastor? The pedo thing was overblown not denying it happened but everyone acts like every priest is a pedo.

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>>128703214
>>128703661
>>128704523

>>128722845
Christianity predates the Bible numbnuts.

What you call the Bible, is a book put together by the Catholic church. For shits sake, most people couldn't read back then.

>>128722885
We're not going to discard our identity because we don't like the pope, moron. I've spent my entire childhood in Jesuit schools, Catechism is like studying for the bar exam. My whole life revolves around being Roman Catholic, I made sure to marry a Roman Catholic girl in a Roman Catholic cathedral. I graduated from Fordham, a Jesuit university. I have every possible ticket punched and need only one sacrament to get into heaven, extreme unction. Why would I or any other Catholic throw that all away because we don't personally like the pope?

>>128723295
Please elaborate, who is undoing what?
>j00xvkbW

A anon asked "so why even be a catholic if you don't accept the pope" I was making the point that just because I don't like Francis doesn't mean I'm not a catholic anymore

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>>128723840
so it makes you born into it and ingrained in the system not really a true conviction of belief in christ to get saved

just because youre so involved doesnt mean its the right way you could end up going to hell for believing as a catholic does in works salvation and idolatry and never really getting saved

its hard for someone like you to ever give up the hoax cuz ur so connected and invested but thats the truth

you gotta bite the bullet

>>128724486
Protestantism contradict history

>>128724486
What hoax, moron? I'm an adult, I am very happy in my religion. If your parents were heathens and thought so little of you as to leave you to the whim of atheists and commies, that's you're own misfortune. I live a life that's fulfilling and beautiful.

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>>128724880
catholicism bro
its a hoax leading many people to hell

im not an atheist i am a non denominational christian

doesnt matter how happy and fulfulling your life is if you arent saved by jesus

god says were all sinners and on our way to hell without him

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>autistic protecuck screeching
Your movement's credibility was already destroyed 300 years before Luther got buttmad that he didn't get his promotion. You are heretics and as such you are the unique owner of a 1-way ticket to hell.

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Protestants don't have any system at all. Protestants cant even agree with each other. Every priest can be traced back to peter.

>>128725109
>non denominational christian
have fun in hell, anon.

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>>128725109
>catholocism
>hoax
>leads people to hell
HAHAHAHA you pathetic heretics think about God and the after life for 10 minutes under the shower and now you have the balls to measure yourself to the Catholic Church? HAHAHAHA how cute thinking you can compete with 2000 years of suffering, intellectual debate and theology... all done in the name of God

this guy gets it

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>>128725279
epic, just epic. bro.

thats what ur catholic church taught you and cucked you into their system and now they got you trapped hahahahha faith in a building establishment rather than a bible word of god of christ

saying grace by faith, faith alone, believe to be saved

ETC

>>128725345
>hurrr my theological debates save me

>>128725109
"Saved by Jesus" what does that actually mean? Am I not saved if I believe Jesus is my lord and saviour and am Catholic? Why wouldn't he save me if I truly believe that?
Faith is of personal nature, not of Institutional one...

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>>128725582
you can say what you want but ultimately you dont have jesus as your savior because you believe in baptism and works salvation and you think you are the cause of it

rather than trusting in him

its that simple

>>128703214
>literally having to follow his word, even if it is to tear down your nation's border, otherwise you're defying your religion
this isn't actually true

>>128725538
Look anon, I have to go into a meeting, but I'll leave you with this: Salus extra ecclesiam non est
qui non pertinent a civitas dei pertinent a civitas diaboli.

If Jesus died for our sins, then why didn't he stay dead?

Is it really a big deal to die for something if you can just say 'jk lol' and come back after a few days?

>>128725707
The fuck? I don't believe I'm cause of it. What are you on about? Have read the Bible? What does it say?

John 11:25

"I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;"

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>>128725538
>ignores theological debate because it proves his heretic movement wrong
Why do you life in denial anon? Salvation is still possible, repeal your sins and join the Church of God.

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>>128725279
That's cute. Meanwhile, outside of fantasy land, Roman Catholics and their pals stay busy wrecking the new world we built up from practically nothing over here.

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>>128726095
youre not really believing in him though if youre believing in all these other things in catholicism that are contradictory to the word of god

if you want to renounce all the doctrines of the catholic church and believe in faith alone in jesus christ then you wouldnt be a catholic and i would call you a christian

>all this heresy

Please go to a Eucharistic Adorition, friends, at your nearest Catholic Church and pray just ONE prayer to a statue of Jesus (or image, or whatever) and I guarantee you 100% you'll get all the proof for God you need AND know that a Catholic anon told you this when your prayer gets awnsered (make that of it what you will)

Just 1 prayer friendo. Try one that aches you at the bottom of your heart and you'll get it.

If you want to somewhat maximise this effect, I recommend the first Friday devotions from now on.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Friday_Devotion

Hail to the Risen Lord! Glory unto the highest, and peace to people of GOOD will!

>>128703535
Saying that is just like calling Hitler a crippled gay jew

>>128726271
Same sex marriage is mandatory? Do I have to find my own same-sex partner, or will the state apoint me one?

>>128726301
Ffs, how fucking dense are you people?
Always gobbling your shitty repertoire and telling others that they're not Christians if they don't denounce their traditions and beliefs. Fucking kill yourselves.
We should have burnt all those heretic shitholes to the ground while we still had the chance...

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>>128726794
>While salvation by faith is the most crucial issue, in comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope / papacy, infant baptism, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim Scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in the clear teaching of Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict Biblical principles.

its not an option

youre not allowed to tell jesus ITS NOT FAITH ALONE ITS MY OTHER THING

>>128726457
>“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."
The son is not the Lord, so a prayer to the son is not a prayer to the Lord.

>>128707873
What's with the priests are pediphiles meme?

>>128703214
HAHAHAHA

>>128722267
Luther was based but he didnt understand what he was unleashing onto the world, by the 1800s protestantism was basically synonymous with cucked progressive bullshit. Its no accident that the puritanical North is the place that collapsed into progressive atheist faggotry. Ironically the South saved protestantism proper, but to do so it had to go full biblical literalism.

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Protestants don't recognize Catholic theology.... o well
>pic related

>>128726941
https://www.amazon.com/Puritan-Origins-American-Patriotism/dp/0300143257

read this, see what your faggotry has wrought

>>128726941
Sigh

U got that from a Protestant Web page... I visited it a couple of times.

Look, believe what u want. I ain't gonna argue with u no more cuz it's no use and I don't have the time.
Faith is, just like life, a game of dice - you can never be sure something is 100% right...
We will see the truth when we die or when the Judgement Day comes, untill then we can only guess and gamble. And I already bet on Catholicism as the one right choice for me. I'll see in the end if I was wrong or if I hit the jackpot...

Well untill then...
May God give u wisdom, I'll pray for ur kind (if it means anything, since u guys say we're not Christian, but it doesn't really matter, does it? No harm done)

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>>128727754
cathcucks arent even 100% sure that god is real

proving that they dont believe in jesus lol

theyre just "guessing"

Bad bait

>>128715735
>>128715862
>>128715900
>>128716008

>incoming CIDF

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>>128703214
It doesn't matter trying to divide us more, US atheism? Atheism is growing, Muslim Brotherhood is now in control of the major Islamic organizations in USA, the ban was supressed, SJWs, Democratic party are enabling Muslims in your country and in the entire world.

Continue this path and Islam will be the biggest major religion in the world. There already 2 threads in the catalog shilling for Islamic convertion.
It also happened to Constantinople - D&C is fatal in Christian world.
If you think converting Christians from other sects to your own rather Muslims and Atheists in the current age, you are wrong. A religious war is coming

You proddies don't even break the bread on sunday.

I get called a radical by proddies when I confess my believe in heaven and hell to them.

>>128734070
Protestants cab't even agree on bible

>>128729227
>cannot refute

lol this op post was written by a 12 year old baptist larper in Kentucky who's notions of Catholicism are from his inbred prod uncles drunk ramblings

>>128726976
jew shit to cover their homo rabbi crimes

>>128734194
It's sad. A friend of me is the son of a minister and he told me that his dad doesn't even believe anymore. Just thinking of all the people he is fooling makes me so angry.

>>128729254

the universe is big there for no god can exist , you are 12 right?

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>>128703535
>

>>128703214
Corbyn will win the election if this is pushed
>>128735512

Catholics literally believe masturbation is a one way ticket to hell unless you go to confession. Catholicucks will defend this.

>>128725582

>Am I not saved if I believe Jesus is my lord and saviour and am Catholic?


>21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

bye crusaders and all the evil catholic people from history

>>128703535
There are soooo many homos in the Vatican atm senpai

>>128737025

the divine comedy ; some fan fic about hell and become a better you , the choice is clear jesus is all about bettering your self , protestant wins

>>128707952
Is Rome becoming #Woke?

>>128710380
t. Subhuman Sicilianigger

>>128737025
>Catholicism - The Divine Comedy
Banned by the Vatican, the Church (Synagogue of Satan) exiled Dante and he died on the lam. That belongs under proto-Protestant literature, thank you.

>>128737454
>Implying reading a car salesman is better for you than reading a masterpiece of literature.
>Implying Dante's journey is not ultimately about self improvement.

>>128737795
truth, Dante was based because he disagreed with Catholic doctrine

>>128703214
Go dig out and suck that faggot's rotten dick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther's_canon
>Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide), but this was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.

>>128703214
Im a Lutheran

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What does /pol/ think about Anglicans?

>>128703214
>Manually putting in spaces
>Can't even do that right

PROTESTKEKS

>>128737795
It was never banned by the Church, you lying jew.

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>>128703214

>the fuck aren't you a protestant yet, /pol/?

I ignore all fantasy based bullshit systems.

>>128734928
Kek

>>128736962
Well yea, of course... God's will must be done. No doubt about it.

DEUS VULT!

>>128739926
And how do you know that deus vult is gods will ?
>38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

>43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

>>128739224
>I ignore fantasy

So you're a practicing ophite/Naasene gnostic?

>>128703214
>literally having to follow his word
Ameritard is the best Protestard when it comes to not knowing his ass from his elbow.