Professor Jordan Peterson of the University of Toronto expla

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>>128676102

Dr. Pete is going to need a security detail soon. He's been smart enough to avoid too much criticism of Muslims, but if he keeps on this path it's an unavoidable discussion. He's even hinted at wanting to cultivate more debate between proper Western thinkers and "Muslim scholars/moderates".

Keep it up Dr. Pete, you're doing God's work.

>>128676380
who is she?

>>128676380
She's trying to hard, it's like she doesn't know if she's trying to be sexy or if she's having a panic attack.

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>>128676380
JP is a pretty coo guy, eh fucks with trannies and doesn't afraid of anything


http://www.stephenhicks.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hicks-ep-full.pdf

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>>128676102
Everyone on /pol/ needs to amass a collection of various links and sources usable to defend their position in whatever argument they take up. This will help foster more persuasive and effective arguments that will contribute to a higher level of discourse befitting of the board. Having such proofs readily available and being transferred between posters will ensure a strong foundation for the topics discussed, and allow us to take our discourse to more effective levels. We need to sort ourselves out and start using proper citations in our dialogue.

Lol at people who dont realize that his son Julian Peterson literally post the same Jordan Peterson threadt 2x a day so that his fucking dad can make 40k a month saying the same stupid shit.

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>>128677362

You mean we can't just scream "nigger" and "BTFO" and "how can whitebois even compete"?

This seems like more work than 90% of /pol/ is willing to invest, and it will seriously impact their time to bank GBPs.

>>128677604
Trust me I'm not him, I saw this on real clear politics and it seemed apropos. Don't be a bitch.

>>128676102
bump for intrest

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>>128677736
It's a very low effort task to simply go to Google Docs and copy down important links.

>>128677736
Yes you can. Oh wait Canada, you have hate speech laws right? A restriction on not using the proper pronouns, I believe...

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>>128677604

You're right man, we should be spending that money on some nigger who plays with a basketball, or shelling out more shekels to Kikeflix for their latest PC-laden on-demand piece of digitized trash.

Money is the ultimate weapon against (((them))). I hope Dr. Pete gets mega rich and bypasses the passive-aggressive measures designed to silence free speech. He'll have more than enough to pay security fees, or simply rent venues that don't burden him with paying $40K to have Blackwater keep SJWs in line. If he gets enough, he can actually start to invest it and just bank interest. He'll eventually amass a highly-profitable think tank that will become unstoppable.

I'm sure Jewtube will find some way to impede him, but with enough money he can circumvent all of their kikery.

His Bible lectures are excellent, even if you aren't Christian. Helps to explain how important it was in creating the West.

>>128678091

Not exactly. I think you need to familiarize yourself with Dr. Pete, his popularity is a direct result of such "implied" restrictions. His refusal to adopt SJW norms via curbing constitutionally enshrined rights is what spurred this whole shitstorm.

We do have laws governing what is defined as "hate speech", but thus far it's only been used to target that Nazi teacher who was telling his students the Holocaust never happened lol. We'll see how bad things get, but if people like Dr. Pete get powerful enough they won't be able to ram through laws that truly limit free speech.

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>>128677604
Does that in any way if however true demean the quality of the mans work?

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>>128676750
This book is incredible.

Takes very little philosophical background to get the basic concepts of postmodernism. Would read again.

If anthropologists, historians, psychologists and sociologists all vehemently despise postmodernism, then who in social science departments is pushing postmodernism???

>>128677984
True, reading them is the hard part.

>>128677362
some anon posted this a while ago

https://fanghornforest.wordpress.com/hate-facts/

I've been trying to save links wherever I see them

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/single_motherhood_worse_for_children_.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11261872/James-Watson-selling-Nobel-prize-because-no-one-wants-to-admit-I-exist.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39686239

>>128679020
Remember to archive
>http://slate com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/single_motherhood_worse_for_children_.html
https://archive.is/ac8IU

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>>128679049
u right Norway

have some multiculturalism

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>>128678928
The black feminists

http://americanstudies.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Keyword%20Coalition_Readings.pdf

>>128678696
fascinating...

Dont get me wrong, Jordan Peterson is an extremely smart guy, and I enjoy him shitting on modern degeneracy.

I just can't help but notice that there are like 20 mirror copies of the same couple videos all over Youtube right now, like somebody somewhere is trying to meme this guy into existence as a new celebrity of the alt-right or something.

>>128677604
And here we see the frightened Jew. Only minutely less appealing than the dead Jew.

Tick tock, Schlomo.

>>128678928
>If anthropologists, historians, psychologists and sociologists all vehemently despise postmodernism
Who said that?

>>128679795
Read the book anon, it's absolutely worth your time

https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg!o0Uk3KTJ

It's in this Mega folder with shitload of other good reads

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>>128678928

There's enough Professors who don't despise it. Typically they are the people whose minority interests are best served by it.

I'll cite the most vile personal examples from my university days:

>Sociology of Deviance professor: single mother 7 kids, 3 ex-husbands - literally existed off alimony, child support, and gov't gibs while she spent her entire life "earning" a PhD - then became a tenured professor, despite having never worked outside of a university setting; a classic Armchair Academic, professing the values of socialism because she was a deplorable leech and now makes $160,000/year to preach ignorance and horseshit

>History TA: 3rd wave feminist who funded her entire education through special interest grants targeting "womyn studying womyn's issues"; her entire focus was on historical oppression of women, and reminding everyone how society has been unfair in the past; every tutorial session was spent espousing the values of womyn and the negative impact men have had on the world - she now holds an associate professor position at the same university

>Sociology of Crime professor: a degenerate lesbian who spent her formative years shooting heroin and living on the streets in Vancouver; she regularly reminded us how she's a true underdog that pulled herself out of poverty (through the receipt of charitable donations and scholarships targeting underprivileged womyn) - her lectures consisted of reminding people that trannies are exceptional and brave, junkies deserve our sympathy/respect, and that if we disagree with her on anything we're ignorant because she has a PhD

>Sociological Theory professor: degenerate Armchair Academic Jew who spent his entire life smoking weed, married one of his students when she was 17 (she divorced him within a year), came from a rich family that paid his entire way, and eventually landed tenure with edgy papers on the Effect that Durkheim's Upper Lip Hair Had on Municipal Elections in the 19th century

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Why is post modernism so frowned upon? Isn't intellectual freedom promoted on /pol/?
I honestly don't even understand how this (((professor))) is popular here

>>128678928
Postmodernism divorced of the silly identity politics is simply a more advanced system of understanding than past simple systems. It isn't inherently anti-west or anti- white at all, its a complete idiocy to say "postmodernism" as a school of thinking changed modernity to be how it is, it understands and explicates the systems which predate it. Baudrillard, for example, represents a wideranging dismantling of modernity, traditionalism could be put in its place.

>nihilism means to do nothing

Camus would like to have a word with you

>>128680501
>post modernism
>intellectual

About as much as marxism is intellectual. And yet it is taught in schools. Might as well teach kids tea leaf reading or bone casting.

If anyone want to know how much of a pointless word salad cancer that is, look up a guy named Sandy Beaches and his fooling around with leftist publications.

>>128680501
Post mordernism is slave morality nihilism.

Deconstruction is a dishonest rhetoric strategy that basically selective application of nihilism in an attempt to undermine any opposition argument.

It's one thing to not shy away from difficult philosophical questions about the nature of truth, and another to use this as a political tactic.

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>>128678163
some anon said it before and I have to agree with them now. Ivanka Trump looks like a giraffe with down's sydrome.

>>128681179
All your post shows is that you don't have a high verbal intelligence. You could also say you don't understand calculus because it seems like nonsense.

>>128681646
Are you attacking him or defending marxism?

>>128679881
oh and that would be such a terrible thing for him to become popular?

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>>128680501
>put brackets around the word professor
>hope /pol/ falls for it

Question to people that listen to Peterson: Is there a connection between post-modernism in philosophy and post-modernism in literature? Because there are quite a few authors that are classified as postmodern that I enjoy quite a bit but I never thought that they were overtly political or anti Western Culture or anything like that...

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>>128681646
>1. Capitalist postcultural theory and cultural desublimation

>In the works of Gaiman, a predominant concept is the distinction between without and within. The subject is interpolated into a Marxist capitalism that includes language as a whole. Thus, the meaninglessness, and subsequent fatal flaw, of cultural desublimation intrinsic to Gaiman's Stardust is also evident in Sandman, although in a more neotextual sense.

>"Class is used in the service of sexism," says Lyotard; however, according to Hanfkopf[1] , it is not so much class that is used in the service of sexism, but rather the paradigm of class. Baudrillard suggests the use of capitalist postcultural theory to deconstruct class divisions. However, Foucault uses the term 'cultural desublimation' to denote not, in fact, situationism, but presituationism.

>Many discourses concerning neoconceptual libertarianism may be found. Therefore, if postcapitalist patriarchialist theory holds, the works of Gaiman are empowering.

>Capitalist postcultural theory implies that sexual identity, perhaps paradoxically, has objective value. It could be said that a number of appropriations concerning the difference between society and class exist. Derrida promotes the use of neoconceptual libertarianism to read reality. Therefore, Hamburger[2] states that we have to choose between the material paradigm of reality and Baudrillardist simulation.

>Sontag suggests the use of cultural desublimation to challenge the status quo. However, if postcultural deconstruction holds, we have to choose between cultural desublimation and capitalist objectivism.

This is what you are defending, retard.

>>128682181
>oh and that would be such a terrible thing for him to become popular?

It would be if he was a planted shill, considering that he suddenly came out of nowhere.

Look. All I'm saying is do a little digging to see if he's got any dirt before getting too excited. I'd prefer to find out if he's a pedophile or a white nationalist BEFORE we all rally around and say he's /ourguy/

>>128680501
>promoting intellectual freedom means you shouldn't attack harmful ideologies

Promoting intellectual freedom means that good ideas are allowed to defeat the harmful ideas.

>>128682321
>Is there a connection between post-modernism in philosophy and post-modernism in literature?

The connection is so small that you can treat it as virtually non-existent.

>>128680073
This is awesome

>>128676102

He's right. People need the life-affirming messages of courage, strength, purpose that has largely been squashed from all forms of media (tv, movies, literature).

This video explains it pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2doZROwdte4

>>128682324
You're just further showing my point, your greentext isnt hard to understand.

>>128682324
Smug, googly-eyed, bastard isn't even black.

>>128681980
Attacking intellectual laziness and arrogance, not him per se. Why would you think I was defending marxism? People think postmodernism is all identity politics when its simply required for understanding a good part of modern life. For example, Einstein was a zionist, but people would laugh at you for discounting his theories because of it.

>>128682321

My political theory professor/academic advisor broke it down for me (he's a leftist cuck, but an intelligent man that led me the right way to think)

Post-modernism/post-structuralism stems from the desire to upend the norms of narrative structure in every way. The literature was meant to break away from the confines of your traditional exposition, development, climax, and denouement because they can confine what an author is trying to get through to the reader.

The two are linked inexorably to the desire to affect change. This is where it gets tricky. The literature disguises the irreparable harm this can have on society. While changing how a story is told can be beneficial for those of us that like to read, fucking with the makeup of our society via deeply affecting the mindset of college kids thereby throwing out the structure that our individualist society needs to function. Think of it like all those depressed teenage girls that invariably read The Bell Jar and become feminists. It's the gateway.

>>128683385
>People think postmodernism is all identity politics when its simply required for understanding a good part of modern life.

I don't personally know anybody who says that.

Marxism is all about identity politics.

Post-Modernism says that there is no such thing as an objective truth, therefore there is no such thing as an objective morality, therefore my subjective morality is just as good as yours.

This leads young people educated with a Post-Modern way of thinking to conclude that any structure which enforces a type of morality is either coercive or oppressive in nature.

This leads them to Marxism

>>128683734
Turning people into leftist zombies is not the same as a system of understanding reality/society. Postmodenism itself is far more individualist and libertarian than leftist totalitarian. People should realize its not "postmodernism" doing that, its people using the understanding gained from postmodernism to create useful slaves.

>>128680073
noice.

>>128680073
>the evolutionary psychology behind politics by anonymous conservative
Oh shit, I remember Bill Whittle making a video about some time ago (r/K selection theory). Definitely going to read that.

>>128677362
Google "touch the raw amglydia" for a good lengthy blog on debating leftists

>>128684070
>This leads young people educated with a Post-Modern way of thinking to conclude that any structure which enforces a type of morality is either coercive or oppressive in nature.
If only. They adopt a very stringent almost puritan morality. It isnt postmodernism, its people remapping morality onto people who've given up previous systems. Creatng new narrarives. If anything what you're claiming as postmodernism is simply modern. If you want to see actual postmodernism, look at cryptocurrency, etc. Some of the most interesting postmodern artists are conservative/libertarian (Sam Hye for example). Deleuze is the greatest explicator of modern culture in the internet era.

>>128680073
opened my mega account and imported them all.

>>128680016
anthropologists and historians are the worst. anthropologists are literally retarded "you are a white male" cunts, and historians just call everything western "imperialist and colonialist" while disregarding literally all the evil shit literally everyone else did

>>128684996
Oh I see, you're talking out your ass.
You had me going for a second there.

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>>128680233
>Effect that Durkheim's Upper Lip Hair Had on Municipal Elections in the 19th century
kek

>>128682512
The first time I saw him was a video where he was explaining to a mob of sjw's why he wasn't going to use their pronouns.

>>128676102
bumping because this guy breaks it down

it's a good watch, lads

>>128685596
Your argument is disputed so you're angry? Can you explain how young people are not indoctrinated in an extreme neo-leftist morality? They sound like radical protestants preaching. It seems like youre the one talking out of your ass, you don't even think deeply about things. Leftism doesn't have morality?

>>128676750
Audiobook narrated by the author
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2Hjf0Xpq6F4QiJGbsz8Xlr3lMbX2mNMx&v=qQcNjHNXnEE

>>128682324
mind warping drivel absolutely meaningless and probably read by more people in this thread today than in it's prior entire existence.

>>128686433
It isnt even hard to understand. Its a cursory description and comparison between different peoples ideas and schools of thought.

>>128683734
>Think of it like all those depressed teenage girls that invariably read The Bell Jar and become feminists. It's the gateway.
They got the wrong message, they were supposed to put their heads in ovens not destroy society.

>>128686108
Please give your personal definition of the term Post-Modernism because I don't think we agree on the meaning of the word.

I already gave my definition above.

>There is no objective truth
>There is no objective morality
>Absolutely nothing is sacred
>Reality is whatever you think it is

>>128676380
who is this fluid druid?

>>128676102
I don't understand why postmodernism is necessarily a bad thing. Sure it becomes a problem if people start living by it, but if it's used for art and entertainment it can actually create various positive cultural effects. Memes are inherently postmodern.

>>128682512
Except that he didn't "come out of nowhere". This guy has been around for a while now since the beginning of the student problems on campuses.

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>>128686875
This guy gets it.
We now live in a society where the truth is what ever you want it to be.

>>128684985
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/touching-the-raw-amygdala-an-analysis-of-liberal-debate-tactics-preface/

>>128687146
Art and entertainment are the drivers of culture. If art and entertainment become postmodern, so does the entire culture. That's why cultural Marxist cared so much about art movements. They realized that if art became degenerate, the culture would become degenerate in due time. It's also why Hitler outlawed degenerate art.

>>128687146
In music maybe. MAYBE. Postmodern art is intentionally blurry, vague, conveys absolutely no meaning in itself, which is the whole point. Postmodern art supports the idea that being is chaos a has no meaning. It's a plague that inevitably wears down a society. Why the fuck do you think the West needs Islam. They're stronger than us. They believe in SOMETHING, and we're willing to let it unravel our society if it means giving us something to latch onto.

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So let me get this straight

post modernism describes a style of artistic philosophy in which attention is drawn to the conventions of said piece

but a social philosophy that is basically third wave feminism and marxism?

get a new term you fucking idiots. If I want to use a search engine to fine interesting self aware stories or pieces of media that subvert/highlight their respective conventions, I don't want to instead find le epic armored skeptic tier videos of brave guys say they won't say your pronouns

>>128680233
She ain't cute though, she ugly.

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>>128682907
IT WAS RANDOMLY GENERATED BY A PROGRAM YOU OBLIVIOUS COCKSUCKER.

And passed peer review by the enlightened post modernist scholars. I told you to look up Sandy Beaches, or are you too far up your own ass to do it?

>>128677604
Found the Jew. You love that money dont you jew boy. Cant stand the thought of someone with counter ideals to your rat jew ways having it can you.

>>128682907
>You're just further showing my point, your greentext isnt hard to understand.

>>128687824
>IT WAS RANDOMLY GENERATED BY A PROGRAM YOU OBLIVIOUS COCKSUCKER.

B T F O
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>>128686875
Have you read a single work of "postmodernism"? Why do you take other peoples word on something as important? You are trying to understand something as neblous and complex as an entire continents intellectual output and influence by reducing it to a series of silly bullet points. Deleuze who was probably the most influential postmodern philosopher besides Derrida, was a practical naturalist. How does that fit with your idea of what postmodernism is? He never claimed there is no truth, etc.

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>>128679881
How new are you?

>>128680233
who the fuck is telling that to her? Bitch got a nose like a toy rocket ship and hair like a shag carpet

>>128682512
>my anecdotal evidence is absolute fact

Sort yourself out, bucko.

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>>128677604
fuck off you piece of shit; you're either a kike or a kike-lover, and either way you deserve the gas

>>128677604
more like impressionable dipshits see how successful threads are with jordan peterson in the topic and want to get their (you) fix because they know it their threads will get iron man numbers

>>128687824
No shit. How does a script making up people with different ideas mean an entire area of philosophy is nonsense? Its a description of different ideology and their relations. You realize you can make up random physicists, mathematicians, etc as well? With different theories? Does that negate those fields? You have to have a fairly low verbal intelligence not to understand this.

wow what brilliant and original insight, 11/10

finally we have someone with a PhD on our side
let's not think for ourselves and instead let some random canadian with an education do all of that for us

please fucking kill yourself, you and every e-celeb worshiping retard

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>>128688429
okay julian we get it, you downloaded a vpn client

>>128688151
It's something she heard someone say to her hot cheerleader cousin.

>>128687146

The standard by which I judge my beliefs are: if everyone lived by these beliefs, would the world be a better or worse place?

I'm a nihilist and if everyone lived by nihilism (many people already do), the world would indeed be much worse.

>>128688411
You're not making any sense.

Either you didn't read my post carefully, or you know what the term "anecdotal evidence" means.

>>128688561
>Backpedaling this hard.

Save a little dignity and just admit you got bamboozled son.

>>128687466
I think postmodernism is inherently subjective and can be used by any party to convey their point. In essence, it aims to dismantle the establishment. Which in our case, especially with the 2016 election, was a very good thing.

>>128688866
So, very close to Kant's categorical imperative:
>Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law

>>128678745
>bezzii

my negroooo

>>128688872
>considering that he suddenly came out of nowhere

Except he only "suddenly came out of nowhere " to you, from your perspective. He's been teaching Maps of Meaning for a bloody long time, even taught at Harvard a while ago. Just because YOU didn't know who he was doesn't mean EVERYONE didn't know who he was.

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I was listening to his podcast yesterday and in his NYE letter/address on one of the episodes he started blubbering. Kek, wtf?

>>128689036
Stop being obtuse. Do you realize how many millions of hokey bullshit studies, or made up ones, are published in peer-reviewed science journals? One philosophy journal publishes what amounts to a basic description and comparison of ideologies/sets of ideas and it invalidates a vast field of thinking? You have to be intellectually lazy to not see what I'm saying.

>>128683734

postmodernism = there can be 10000 genders

no you fucks, you are making up your own reality.

Jordan Peterson is what Canada used to be before half the 3rd world was imported.

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look here you cunts, All i do in my fucking free time is think about how we stop the
postmodern neo-marxists, I've boiled it down to 2 ways.

>Hitler route
right wing death squads and a race to totalitarianism backed by the right wing.

We fucking round up the marxists and fucking kill them or kick them out. It would be an actual
civil war, but its like like its 50% vs 50%, the marxists are always a vanguard that are Allowed
to exist
>problems
Marxism doesn't go away becuase the only way to make people realize its wrong is by living
under it as an aweful system.

>Jordan B. Peterson Route
Intelectually fight the marxists whereever you find them. Give up our free time and maybe our chosen jobs and work part time (like the marxists do ) to try to convince the people of our countries its fucking retarded
>problems
may not work, as Marxism uses emotions rather than logic.

What the fuck do we do. I am fucking stuck. The violent way is sure fire if we get the revolt but
Marxism will come back, and the intellectual way is a long shot.

>>128689036
>>128689407
http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/

A Sokal-Style Hoax on Gender Studies

>>128689237
>bloody

I don't know many canadians. Do you really use the word "bloody" in your common language? I never knew this.

>>128690814
Did you know that federal buildings hang portraits of the Queen?

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>>128688561
>verbal intelligence

Otherwise known as 'bullshit spinning' or 'word salad tossing'.
You are unable to prove my point harder than how you already did - I post postmodernist trash, youn proceed to claim it is easily understandable. When I reveal it was made by a software that randomnly string postmodernist words together, you go full a bloobloo, and deflect with appeal to authority of a discipline that is completely based on bullshit spinning.

There is a reason why 'Feminism' is listed as 'Arts' and not 'Philosophy'.

Fuck off to advocate for hate speech laws, so that you won't get btfo this hard next time.

>>128691095
I did know that :^)

It's nice to know you're one of those rare, rare, rare Canadians who still value being part of the empire. But you are dead.

>>128677362
No thanks, I'll just scream nigger at them and insult any conservatives with debate skills who don't sperg out and name the jew.

>>128691651

Come say that to my face bud

>>128677604
You and the Canadian shill post in every thread about Peterson autistically screeching that people support him, are you from /leftypol/ or r/politics ?

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>>128680501
>I honestly don't even understand how this (((professor))) is popular here

Who could be behind this post?

>>128691941
It's nice to be valiant and fight for what you believe in, but do you think you realistically have any backing in modern Canada?

For example, the south, dixie, and southern culture still have a large backing in the USA. There are huge forces against it, yet there are many southerners who back it. Do you really believe there are a significant amount of Canadians who back what Canada once was?

>>128691423
How is it not easy to understand? It being generated by a software "randomly" (no, it was scripted) doesn't change that fact, if it was referring to real ideas of real people (Lyotard is a real person) you could easily look those up. It didn't use word salad. You didn't even dispute my claim that its easily understandable. You didn't reveal anything, you think you set up some autistic trap because I replied disputing your statements.

>with appeal to authority
Show me where I used that, you can't because I didn't.

>Fuck off to advocate for hate speech laws,
Nice strawman friend

Lets try this very simple procedure to see if you can use common sense. If postmodernism is proven to be trash because a fictional article is published, you would also have to apply that claim to any other field where a peer-reviewed journal published something like that, correct? Or else your position is not consistent with anything besides your subjective opinion and is useless. Every single field of study has had those studies published in journals, so by your same logic all of science is bullshit.

>>128684985
>touch the raw amglydia
Joogle offers only obvious obfuscation. Any links?

daddy... I cleaned my room... can we go to the library and learn about western civilization now?

yay! I love you daddy!

I'm surprised how much this seems to have poked a hornets nest. I didn't realize so many postmodernist shills were on /pol/
You are wrong, objectively, philosophically, morally. You will always be wrong, you are a cancer on society and deserve none of what you have.

>>128676102
You can't fight it.

>>128692345
>Do you really believe there are a significant amount of Canadians who back what Canada once was?

There will be when Trudeau bankrupts the country to import cultural enrichment. If he doesn't get Ceausescu'd I'll be fucking amazed beyond words.

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>>128676102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgy10X5U9A

I wish I had photoshop to put Peterson into this comic.

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thanks for taking me to the park daddy. I love how you're always there for me. you would never leave me.

god created all this, didn't he daddy? tell me a story about god! he's my favorite hero after you daddy

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>>128687577
Speak for yourself mate

>>128678696
Everyone but me gotta learn

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>>128676102
Postmodernisms own very first rule of feminism even says women don't really exist. "It's just your meaning and a social construction" So postmodernism should never be taken seriously and it's fans should all be ignored and avoided. It will dissolve itself once it runs it's course which is exactly why black people don't understand let alone conform to it.

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>>128689407
It's literally gibberish, written by a script designed to create gibberish. Yet you still defend it. You exist in a total moral and intellectual vacuum. You are a non-person. I mean this in the most oppressive and patriarchal way: kys.

>>128692598
You are wrong because you are simple. Postmodernism isn't some unified thing that wants to destroy society, its a bunch of interrelated schools of thought and observations on how to use certain understandings -- 4chan and the "altright" is just as "postmodern" as gender studies, and there are many postmodern thinkers/artists who are conservative/libertarian.

"Postmodernism shill" is just someone who isn't a lazy cunt.

>>128693070

gender identity is a postmodern idea

they are trying to destroy the concept of male and female

>>128693158
and someone trying to destroy the concept of white guilt is also using postmodernism, whats your point?

>>128693058
You are a very smart boy :^)

>>128693070
Why would simple be wrong? Complex does not mean correct, in fact more often than not the simplest answer in fact the correct one.
Postmodernism at no point has created or advanced society, however its influences have had obvious, verifiable damaging effects on society. It is a philosophical dead end.

>>128676102

Test

>>128693241

we have to resist it, or else these concepts will be wiped out and replaced with these new, stupid "norms"

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>>128692345
If you join online local communities like city based Facebook groups you can get a good bearing on where the general populace stands in a country. Trudeau is ridiculed on the regular and people gave a laff at the expense of muzzies all the time.

>>128677362
It happens occasionally and people tend to take note of it when it does. Some even express appreciation at the effort.

But it sounds like you're calling for something of a more long-term crowd-sourced database or library sort of deal. Those kinds of things happen very rarely, and only when some current event has either enraged or energized large segments of /pol/ into short, sporadic explosions of coordinated acticity. See: HWNDU capture the flag; hunting down Eric Clanton; #DraftOurDaughters; /sg/ helping the RuAF airstrike and ISIS training camp; turning Tay full 1488

So yeah, it would be nice to have a go-to list to refute common arguements and avoid reinventing the wheel during philosophical discussions, I can't see it really taking off.

But don't let my opinion stop you if you're motivated to attempt such a thing.

>>128693050
It's incoherent on purpose, to disarm any who would disarm it. It's the slime that slips through your fingers when you try to grip it. All of this Cultural Marxism/Postmodernism/etc is merely Talmudism for the Current Year, an argument that never ends and serves no purpose save to confuse and distract you while you are being fleeced. Even if you try to turn it in on itself you will just wind up being sucked in. Only the cleansing flame that Peterson fears so much will bring us back to the truth-seeking that we need.

If postmodernism could be "fought," it would have been stopped by the academy long ago. Peterson is just one of the last voices of resistance that hasn't been swept away yet. Others have already fallen.

The reason you can't fight postmodernism is because the tools you would use to fight it are logical, but postmodernism negates logic by ascribing it to white male hegemony, thus invalidating the tool and leaving opponents of postmodernism completely defenseless.

>>128690309
Im up for Hitler route senpai

>>128693241

white guilt is a post modernist idea. Destroying it would he traditionalist

>>128693050
Ride the tiger. Postmodernists call everything into question. Nothing is left with any basis. That means the right to exist has no basis either, and mass executions are perfectly allowable.

SJWs only want to take their arguments so far. But we should take them to their logical conclusion. They cling to the notion of "consent" and "rights," but those are are even more socially constructed than gender and race. So if gender and race don't exist, then neither do consent and rights.

When postmodernism is finished stripping all superstitions away, there is only one thing left: brute force.

So let's go ahead and push all the way to the end.

>>128676102
Holy shit I absolutely cannot stand Jordan Peterson he's so FUCKING ANNOYING

I would rather listen to some drunk mountee chugging syrup and incoherently ranting about libfags than listen to Jordan Peterson.

He just talks about simple things, but acts like it's profound.

>>128693437
Simple is wrong because macro things aren't simple. The modern world is not simple. You can use simplicity to understand small scale things, but large processes require complexity. Do you think economics, for example, is simple?

>Postmodernism at no point has created or advanced society,
Why do you think this? Postmodernism is just a word for a large group of thinkers and ideas who sometimes influenced each other, its basically a placeholder word to describe something that isn't something else (analytic philosophy). Any claims that isn't based in any kind of morality or objectivity is false. For example, Deleuze was a naturalist. He is comparable to E.O. Wilson in many areas of thought.

>>128693554
It really isn't, fundamentally. White guilt is actually "Racist" because its predicated on non-white people being almost children who we have to feel sorry for mistreating because they couldn't defend themselves. In that, it is imperialist and traditionalist more than post-modern. Its an evolution of one thing into another to fit modernity, its a narrative.

>>128693896
Go back to td pleb

>>128693241
No moron, destroy the concept of white guilt using logic, reason, biology and statistics is *juste the opposite* of postmodernism.

postmodernism detracts from the use of reason and logic.

>>128677604
I think you're right. Look at all the tumblr-tier Peterson fans you just triggered. Must be either shilling or some sort of legitimate cult.

>>128676102
bump

>>128680501
it's a nihilistic self-destructive ideology that encourages you to project the blame for your own inadequacies onto ill-defined, ethereal systems of power.

>>128693896
>>128676102
Nvm I just changed my mind he's ranting about cutting funding to universities and shit going full savage this is good shit

>>128694232
/pol/ isn't allowed to like anything or anyone. Only shills and cultists hold people in positive esteem.

>>128694255
Like the jews and petriarcy ?
Globalist
Marxists
Sound familiar?

>/pol/

>>128694156
This is terrible, black and white thinking and you're not going to understand much thinking this way. White guilt is hardly postmodernism. It might be a reaction to postmodernism, an evolution to react to it somewhat under the radar. You realize white guilt is a narrative, something people believe is a fundamental truth, whereas much of postmodernism is a rejection of narratives (not truth, btw). Leftist indoctrination in universities is a use of postmodernism, but also contradicts postmodernism in setting up silly, simplistic supposed truth and narrative. 4chan is also a use of postmodernism.

>>128676102
og

>>128694444
YEAH BUT I'M ALLOWED TO LIKE THESE QUADS

>CHECKED

>>128676102

Good shit. Now go clean your room.

>>128692449
Jesusfuckingchrist, I am screencapping this as an example of everything wrong with western education. No wonder that there are people who still believe in communism and that lysenkoism ever get off the ground.

>>128694156
>>128694493
Forgot to write something more fundamental you might understand better. White guilt, etc, is a belief structure, its impervious to biology, reason, etc. Its nemesis is a contrary narrative, not the use of reason. Postmodernism is more the understanding that the vast majority don't use reason to create what they perceive as reality. It is, fundamentally, neither left or right.

>>128692682
tru

>>128682512
I trust in Jordan B Peterson. He's been incredibly honest with his life, and he has the credentials on what he talks about (the dragon, clean your room, etc) - there's a video on his channel from 2003, where he gives a talk to a bunch of UT alumni about the dragon metaphor. I would recommend you watch a series of his videos before you make your own decision (I think he talks about peadophillia at some point, there's probably a youtube clip of it). He's genuine, and I think a breath of fresh air as we notice politics in America slipping into chaos. Simple philosopy, but profound.

However, I fucking hate the memes surrounding him. Clean your room. Fight the dragon. Rescue your father from the depths. All poignant points when you read into them, but can easy turn the man into a joke. I guess it keeps him in the public consciousness, and I'm happy for that, but JBP talks about so much more. So many great lectures, that can really change a life if someone were to listen to them and think about them for a while. All I see on his YT comments is the same old shit- "haha guess I gotta go clean my room lol", or some weird opposite shit from 'Peter B Jordanson', or some legit far-right prick. It's so annoying.

>>128694744
Why not try to dispute what I said?

>>128694099
That's just absolutely incorrect if you look at any point in history though, every society as it increased in complexity failed. All through history you can find examples of this where civilizations overcomplicated their problems and rather than continuing towards a unified purpose they wallowed in trying to solve all problems with more difficult solutions and their countries paid for it.
A basic understanding of the lessons of history shows that your ideas will only fail.
I guess the added defense mechanism of calling postmodernism an umbrella over philosophies of a certain thought process rather than itself a philosophy gives you a convenient hiding place from having to address the fact that the entire thought process it encourages has only ever been destructive though

>>128694475
I see what you're trying to do here but it is in no way the same.
People that complain about the patriarchy are beholden to post-modern thinking so I don't know why you listed it.

>marxists
20% of liberal arts professors identifies as a marxist

there you have a concrete definition of an ideology combined with its representation in an institution of power, one which you can point to with clear evidence, however their power is not an absolute and we can weed out this gradual indoctrination of students.
The problem is post-modern thinking is absolutist, no different from Islam in labeling things in a context of oppressor and victim, it is not interested in dialogue or analysis. It argues that there are no absolute truths, but only that which power creates which is anti-scientific and dangerous.

>>128676102
bump

>>128677362

Nobody reads linkspam. Just make your points in your own words

>>128695242
But I didn't make any claims about complexity being good or bad, but you yourself just admitted without realizing it the same thing I was arguing for, that society is complex. I disagree that complexity is bad, or that history proves simplicity is good (far too simple understanding) but that wasn't the argument. It was that complex systems require complex systems of understanding.

>>128680073
Thanks, downloading. Needed new material.

>>128676380
Yeah that's great and all but who da girl

>>128682907
IT WAS RANDOMLY GENERATED BY A PROGRAM YOU OBLIVIOUS COCKSUCKER.

That was beautiful. TOP KEK

>>128688031
>>128682324

>>128678928
Literatary criticism
Feminist studies
Gender studies
Whiteness studies
And critical x theory
Radical queer theory
Almost all sociology
There's one segment of anthropology I forget what it's called
It infects almost all the humanities in one form or another
You can't write a desertation without name dropping Foucault or Derrida in it

>>128694099
>Simple is wrong because macro things aren't simple
>large processes require complexity

>>128695536
>I didn't make any claims about complexity being good or bad
>I disagree that complexity is bad, or that history proves simplicity is good

You're literally talking in circles
Complex systems require complex systems of understanding? You're defining a word with itself, that isn't complex understanding at all, its first grade shit weaker than just asking "but why?" over and over again. "acknowledging" that you need to think deeper and more complex won't make you a philosopher nor will it solve any of the problems that you claim require your complex solutions.

>>128694255
CHECKED

>>128682324
>>128696074
http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/

for reference, refresh it a few times

The man doesn't know what post-modernism is. He should probably stick to psychology, philosophy seems a bit too hard for him

also:
>>>/lit/9601197

>>128696090
Oh philosophy
But that's so obvious I forgot to put it in

If have any interest in seeing the crazies of this check out New real peer review on twitter. They gather the most batshit insane of post modernist papers coming out of the humanities.

So much so that the guy who started had to go underground because he's an academic and his colleagues tried and failed and doxxing him in an attempt to ruin his career for calling out their bullshit papers and the government money that went into it.

>>128696546
Yeah it's so deep it's indistinguishable from parody

The conceptual penis what is that?

>>128692449
NO MORON; he says you´re in DENIAL of the absurdity of your beliefs BECAUSE YOU CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND a text THAT by it creations HAS.NO.FUCKING.ABSOLUTE.NO.MEANING

It all means that you can't use reason, and basically YOU CAN'T TELL BULLSHIT from GOOD IDEAS.

>>128696467
I'm not defining a word, I was pretty certain we both knew the difference between simple and complex. It would be like saying a simple problem requires a simple solution, am I defining a word by itself by using it twice in a sentence? What are you talking about? You're attacking how we are communicating with our use of the concepts of simple and complex then saying I'm talking in circles and implying I'm dumb. Doesn't make sense. Whatever.

>>128692449
You're a highly educated completely unuseful idiot.

>>128678928
Those fields were revolutionized by postmodernism. There isn't a single field that hasn't been permanently changed (for the better) by it. The claim that any of those fields "hate" postmodernism is baseless and meaningless, especially given it's much cultural-philosophical time period marked by reactions against modernist thought, than any actual body of philosophy.

Postmodernists disagree with each other, almost vehemently more than modern philosophers did.

>>128696736
>i hate thinking, perston make it all go away with ad homs!

>>128692764
You're delusional

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>>128696741
Where have I even stated a belief? What beliefs are you referring to? How am I the one who can't use reason when he can't reply to a very simple logical process which is consistency in a statement/argument? Every field of study has bogus papers that get past peer-reviewing, does that invalidate those fields as well? Let's see if you can pass a basic common sense procedure since he couldn't.

>>128696958
Feminist glaciology
Really revolutionary not complete bullshit.

Fuck off apologist for fashionable nonsense

>>128676102
Yes good goy go to (((university))) and get a degree so you can go work for (((them))). Organize and sort your life out so you can benefit the jew

>>128676102
>postmodernism
want to live like that? then go to the middle east.

>>128697227
Yeah, I really hate how every major field in the humanities has expanded and improved, even the important shit and not just trans-racial topography, since the year 1902.

You're on like, 20 different levels of ideology. How about you actually read a postmodernist book, instead of just exposing yourself as an uneducated sperg?

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>>128694744
I salute your efforts, czechbro. Looking forward to further intellectual firebombing of post-modernists.

>>128690309
>>128693539
Im also for hitler route seems more fun and i dont have tolerate marxists drivel for very long plus we get snazzy uniforms

>>128680073
>https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg!o0Uk3KTJ
Doing God's work

>>128694877
>the vast majority don't use reason to create what they perceive as reality

That's because there's a rational, objectivist minority that allows them to obtain food regardless of the majority despising reason.

postmodernism validates majority's stupidity, and then leads to massive death and misery, when irrational people reach power positions and begin irrational, destroy society's basic means of subsistence.

>>128695536
>It was that complex systems require complex systems of understanding.
this is retarded bullshit fit for a larper-as-postmodernist like yourself. complex systems require new systems of understanding which makes them simple, finds the point of view from which it's black-and-white. you probably haven't ever had an experience of 'understanding' something in your life, that's why you are this dense.

>>128695118
Basically because you're saying that there's no reason, so it seems that you believe that there's no method to dispute besides power struggles.

>>128696820
You're right, this doesn't make sense, you just talk past people and rearranging arguments to make them look nonsensical when you damn well should know what all of them mean but you avoid actually involving yourself to maintain a sense of detachment which only in your own mind makes you sound cool.
Your entire argument is that you possess no argument other than complex society requires complex thought processes to provide solutions.
How fucking useful

>>128697565
Improved lmfao

The only thing it's improved is the job security of university charlatons

I love smug cunts like you that assume no one must not have read or they don't really understand any because if they did they'd be sold on it

This is only argument I ever get pomo fanboys

I'm gonna put my cynicism aside for a minute and asked you to name me some of the practical applications in the real world that has arisen from these so called advances from post modernism.

>>128688561
The fact that it was peer reviewed and approved shows how trivial the institution that pushes the post modernist narrative is. Your analogy is a joke by the way. If you think a randomly generated math paper would be published you're dumb as all hell. You can't use random ten point words and end up with something that illuminates a new mathematical truth. Plus, just face it. You lost. The game was up when it was proven you couldn't smell bullshit when it was pressed into your nostrils.

>>128697080
You said that a nonsense text algorithmically generated was "easy to understand", then we all can conclude that, even if you seem educated, *you can not differentiate "algorithmically generated nonsense" from "coherent speech"*.

Given that you can not do that, you can not be coherent. And you're hinting that on every other response.

Now call it a day.

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>>128676102
praise the spokesfrog of kek!

>>128676102
How are you meant to get out of nihilism?

>>128697928
That so-called objectivist minority creates falsehoods to control the majority of irrational people. Christianity also validated the majority's stupidity. Postmodernism doesn't do that, postmodernism dismantles narratives, the simple majority requires narratives. I've already said many times that 4chan is postmodern in the same way as gender studies is, you can use postmodern concepts and understandings to create a left or right new narrative after dismantling an old.

>>128697940
How am I even a postmodernist? My arguments aren't difficult and are to the point, it shouldn't be hard to dispute them if they're so wrong.
>complex systems require new systems of understanding which makes them simple, finds the point of view from which it's black-and-white. you probably haven't ever had an experience of 'understanding' something in your life, that's why you are this dense.
That's silly. Black and white is simple, yes, but is almost always wrong. Postmodernism being good/bad is an obvious failure of imagination. That you think making something that is complex into black and white is understanding something actually shows you are the one who hasn't understood much.

>>128698193
It isn't a very complex argument, if that's what you mean, but it doesn't need to be since your argument was that simplicity is better. Can you not handle words and concepts being used in more than one way? How did I rearrange your argument?

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>>128677362
pol is growing up :'D i'm so proud

>>128696520
Great. This is the death of postmodernism, not a rival philosophy, but laughter and ridicule. A deserved death.

>>128698484
The fields of history, psychology, anthropology, sociology, and philosophy have all expanded in their scope and improved in their method since the beginning of postmodernism-- which, again, is really just a historical category.

>practical applications in the real world that has arisen from these so called advances from post modernism.
Okay.
The entire field of ecology, especially the advances in the 60s-80s really couldn't have arisen at all without post-modernism. The Gaia hypothesis for example, which, while faulty, merges different fields (systems theory--
which is itself built off of thermodynamics, arguably crucial in the development of post-modernism, biochemistry) really revolutionized the field.

Historical analysis has gotten far more thorough, Focault has a lot to do with this, as previously accepted facts and notions of viewing the past (the progress model of history) began to be questioned. We can know see how interpretations of history are used to further ideologies-- the same goes for topography.

Post-Modernism, if anything, was just a period in which we became a lot more aware of how our studies and ways of thinking actually affected the way we engage with the world. That's fucking important, that's practical.

You literally don't understand what you're talking about. If you've actually read something, why don't you say why you disagree with it instead of showing off how ironic your shitposting is? kys

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>>128690309
The marxists are two camps of people. 1. idiots who are stuck in their brainwashing, and 2. jews

Focus on the idiots. Humor is the sugar to help the red pill go down. We can't take (((them))) down without the cucks coming into their own glory.

>>128676102
Whether postmodernism is nihilistic or not, the difference is between an active or passive perspective. Passive nihilism should be rejected because it makes no attempt to substitute the rejected reality for a more acceptable reality. Active nihilism is an attempt to create a reality that is worth accepting.

Whether postmodernism is nihilistic or not, there is still a responsibility to protect the rights of all.

>>128698628
Is it not easy to understand? Not knowing every reference (even if they're made up) doesn't make something difficult to understand. Say an instruction manual says you need part A to construct part B, and part A is missing, it doesn't mean you didn't understand what was meant.

>algorithmically generated nonsense
It wasn't nonsense. It was just referring to at least half made up concepts and people. I did differentiate, articles about people getting made up stuff printed in a journal is posted in every single thread referencing postmodernism.

>Given that you can not do that, you can not be coherent. And you're hinting that on every other response.
Explain how what I say is not coherent. I explained how you and the other guy were not being consistent, you should be able to show me where I was or at least defend your own inconsistency.

>>128698998
>dismantles narratives, the simple majority requires narratives.
You essentially just agreed with peterson that post modernism is being used to dismantle traditional structures of western civilization

>>128693896
he actually really turns me on. his gentleness and thoughtfulness draws me in like a spell. the west needs more men willing to love their inner kermit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2DTLbTQj0I

that song makes me feel like a child again.

>>128699032
Postmodernism is just a name for a huge field of theory that isn't analytic philosophy. The observation that a good deal of it is written in a unique style doesn't invalidate it. You can do the same thing for other fields of thought. Its just a masturbatory exercise for people who need to believe something they dislike is bad.

>>128698998
No silly, the objectivist minority creates food, shelter and medicine.

the majority of irrational people creates its own bubble.

And also no, most 4chan seems to use reason and logic. We "discover" things of the world, instead of "creating narratives", but, since you cannot differentiate nonsense from coherent speech, you only see "narratives" everywhere.

Reality is not a narrative darling, you do not construct it, and if sometime you end up in charge to obtaining your own food, you better choose the real "narrative" b/c all the other lead to starving.

>>128699534
Ok? Where did I argue against Peterson? I'll do so now anyway to a partial degree. Those structures were already being dismantled long before postmodernism was a thing. Success and an excess of resources already began that destruction, some people using postmodern concepts to try to dismantle it further are just self-important, they're not part of the fundamental processes which lead to them being dismantled, and even in the midst people are also using postmodern concepts to recreate or create similar structures (for example Trumps success online was a postmodern development).

>>128698998
>My arguments aren't difficult and are to the point,
your argument is that we are all stupid in some way. that's the only consistent thread in what you write.
>Black and white is simple, yes, but is almost always wrong.
the only kind of knowledge, e.g. the entirety of mathematics and the majority of physics, that can be verified to be right or wrong, is black-and-white. something either is or it isn't. this complexity fetish serves no other purpose but to avoid engaging in actual discussion on details, because your ilk are ignorant of details and incapable of discussion.
>That you think making something that is complex into black and white is understanding something actually shows you are the one who hasn't understood much.
and we are done, you returned to nyah nyah everyone is stupid but me. contemplate thermodynamics. a container of gas is so complex it's almost chaotic but it can be simplified to a few thermodynamic state variables. I'd call that black and white; either the amount of heat equals a given value or it doesn't, heat either flows this way or that way, no ambiguities, although maybe you think there are. until a field doesn't reach that level, it is not a legitimate field of science.
and you don't understand any of this.

>>128699697
>No silly, the objectivist minority creates food, shelter
Food is produced by the majority, peasants and then lower class/lower middle class.

>We "discover" things of the world, instead of "creating narratives", but, since you cannot differentiate nonsense from coherent speech, you only see "narratives" everywhere.
We created the narrative of Trump being a hero for western civilization, among many others, you can "discover" whatever you want, but without a coherent and invigorating narrative your drive isn't going to be very large. You don't understand I'm not talking about facts and reason vs. falsity, I'm discussing how most people view the world. You can show most people tons of facts and statistics, they're still not going to change their mind about something irrational. That requires a new narrative that's invigorating. You can use "postmodernism" to dismantle the old narrative that was destructive. 4chan is a practical use of postmodern ideas, but for some reason most of us are dismissive of it.

Your nonsense vs. coherent speech thing is just silly.

>>128677362
That's level 2 /pol/ - the effort post
Level 3 /pol/ is when you combine all that into a single powerful meme image that survives scrutiny across all appropriate dimensions of analysis

i.e. CLEAN YOUR ROOM

>>128698903
Find something that you are responsible for. What is your purpose in life? Your duty? Don't have one, find one. Can't find one, make one. If you continue down the path you ate currently on, where will you be in 5 years? 10? 20? Don't like the idea, find ways to change it. Take responsibility for your life. If you waste it, you can only blame yourself as you wake and fall asleep daily full of regret and shame. You can can. We all can, but it's the choices and disipline in life that sustain you. Start small and build routines. In a months time, you have started building character. In a year, you exemplify character and become someone people want to follow. Become great, for you and your people.

>>128700127
>mathematics and the majority of physics
These things don't explain society.
>something either is or it isn't.
Except physics shows that to be false. Anyway we are not discussing physics and mathematics in the simplicity/complexity debate, we were discussing civilization.

>this complexity fetish serves no other purpose but to avoid engaging in actual discussion on details
I don't have a complexity fetish, I was arguing with that guy who claimed simplicity was better. In some things, like I originally replied to him and you should've read, it is, but not for things like social relations, civilization, economy.

>and we are done, you returned to nyah nyah everyone is stupid but me.
I just returned exactly what you said to me pal.

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>>128678928
(((who))) indeed

>>128699669
Continental Philosophy=/=Postmodern Philosophy
There is such a thing as Analytic Postmodern philosophy, you dunce

>>128699367
Gaia therory isn't even a theory it's hypothesis and as jay Gould said a metaphor, not a mechanism...

Completely abandoned and useless

Ecology. Point to an application, a direct application of Pomo that led to advancements in the field

your examples only further my arguement that all this is sophistry and mental masturbation propping up professional academics careers
You haven't pointed to one real world application only "building knowledge" whatever that means or as people like you call it "other ways of knowing". Wahooooooo...

Spooky

I've a read a history of madness and although there are interesting things there are also fairly obvious things and some flat out wrong things including is conclustions

>There are no facts only interpretations.
>We can know see how interpretations of history are used to further ideologies-- the same goes for topography.

Fuck outta here with claiming Pomo invented this
Way to take a simple maxim such "history is written by victors" and claim as Pomo advancement

Gas yourself for believing such nonsense

>>128701261
That's extremely nitpicky. Most people mean postmodernism when they position schools of thought against analytic philosophy, since most other forms of continental philosophy aren't very influential now. These words are only as useful as they refer to something, since there are so many internal divisions in them, one continental philosopher can be more analytic, or vice versa, they're useful monikers, there's no point in nitpicking them.

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>Bike uphill to a farewell party
>Reach the top and find twerking and alcohol and drugs

>>128677362
I've been wanting to compile the tactics and information needed for each person to not only have what they need to fight this war, but know how they should use it to get the results they want. We do mostly use proper citations, /pol/ threads can become an info dump, but we also need to make sure that its easily accessible for anyone who wants a quick rundown. I'd call it, "The Protocols of the Oldfags of Valhalla" or something.

>>128676477
Chun-Li from Street Fighter

>>128676380
Sauce. Now.

>>128701416
Not sure why you think Academics aren't practical. Did you have to drop out?
Let's use the Gaia hypothesis again
>Gaia Hypothesis comes out
>Revolutionized the field
>Directly influenced the Biosphere 2 project
>Have been four ecological conferences named in its honor to discuss and review the state of Earth's eco-system, and our conceptions of it (how is this not important?)

>Way to take a simple maxim such "history is written by victors" and claim as Pomo advancement
Can you explain why that isn't a Pomo advancement?

>Fuck outta here with claiming Pomo invented this
Really don't mean to claim it did. But skepticism, deconstruction of context, and close attention to bias, are hallmarks of po-mo historicism. How is this not an improvement?

>>128701598
The German Idealists are pretty damn influential. But yeah, it's a bit of a moot point, I'll admit it.

>>128676102
Damn he's an angry bastard in this. I like it

>>128676477
lillias right

Why does this idiot seem to think that just because we are living in "the best time ever" (which is subjective and meaningless) that we can't or won't eventually fail. For someone who studies the failures of communism and fascism and utopianism, he has pretty utopian view of our modern world. This shit can collapse at any minute. Multiculturalism on this scale is unprecedented and shows every sign of eventual failure. He's a smart man, but he's incredibly blue pilled and no self-respecting /pol/oack should take this seriously.

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>>128696546
>>>>/lit/

>>128696546
You're retarded. Psychology was borne out of Philosophy. There's a reason why JBP references Nietzche a lot, because he was at the tail end of philosophy. Nietzche also claimed he was the first psychologist/philosopher, he was probably right. Freud and Jung were both incredibly influenced by his work and pioneered the field as the continuation of what philosophy has ultimately become.
You should stick to your plan of killing yourself, worthless nigger.

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>>128698903
I truly hope people who come to /pol/ atleast leave with the duty to preserve western civilization. Too many generations have passed where the people in power have left it worse than how they found it, and it is complete disarray right now, postmodernism being one aspect of the many problems. It often seems like /pol/ doesn't make too much of a difference but it is the ideas we spread that will stick on people's minds (literal memes: ideas) that will hopefully blossom in them and they'll pass it on. And soon enough we'll have enough people to prevent the collapse or atleast rebuild it properly were it to collapse.

>>128702920
>expecting intelligence from the pseuds at /lit/

>>128702920
>You're retarded. Psychology was borne out of Philosophy
Never denied that. Just because you're a psychologist in current year doesn't mean you know jack shit about philosophy.
>Freud and Jung were both incredibly influenced by his work and pioneered the field as the continuation of what philosophy has ultimately become.
You're gonna be really mad if you find out that all of those guys are some of the founders of post-modernism.

also:
>ietzche also claimed he was the first psychologist/philosopher, he was probably right.
>who is Schopenhauer
>who is Hobbes

You should a read a fuckin book hick. JBP doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Psychology hasn't had anything to do with Freud in fucking decades, he's been thoroughly rejected.

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>>128676102

>implying /pol/ is not a postmodernist board

Please stop jerking yourselves, /pol/ is the biggest postmodernist board out there - modernism is characterized by the emergence of a rational individual, who's life quest is to seek the empirical truth.

this board can be characterized as the complete opposite - degenerates, stormcucks, holocaust deniers, disgruntled beta men searching for a fuhrer, waiting for a race war - the rational individual doesn't exist on /pol/ if he does, and tries to challenge the post-factual bullshit of "the red pill" or Nazi concentration camps, he is shut down by other deranged individuals who prefer to stay in their bubble of irrational hatred of others, in other words this board is the cesspool of the post-modernist irrational individual that rants his bullshit over and over irregardless of the factual truth, this board is the epitome of "feelz over realz", the far-right version of "truth is subjective", because everything that contradicts their worldview is a jewish plot.

Face it you fuckers. The sooner the better.

>as young as they can fuck
8:50
https://youtu.be/MPojltjv4M0?t=8m50s

lol

>>128703348
>durr see schopenhauer and hobbes
>read a book
>he's clearly never read any of them because if he did he would know this claim was asserted by Nietzche himself

>>128703690
>Nietzche said it therefore it's true!
Schopenhauer and Hobbes are objectively doing proto-psychology before Nietzche. I'm not sure why this is a problem.

>>128703403
>because everything that contradicts their worldview is a jewish plot.
to be fair, most things ARE a Jewish plot. you'd know that if you lurked more

>>128703794
Many psychologists generally regard Nietzche as more influential in that regard for the birth of Psychology. Not Schopenhauer or Hobbes, you'd know this if you weren't a mouthbreathing pseud from /lit/ and actually read a book once in your life.

The book he recommends is free with kindle unlimited
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00480P9H2/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

You can get a lot of good books for free with kindle unlimited. You get a free 30 days with Amazon Prime, and if your school is like mine, you can create as many .edu emails as you want and hence you can create as many prime accounts as you want.

Make sure you cancel your prime accounts before they bill your card. I just got a bill from them from an account i didn't cancel. I got a refund but it was a pain

>>128677604
You the type of nigger who has BLACKED.com as a homepage.

>>128688669
>t.shlomo

>>128676102
He doesn't even fucking know what postmodernism is. Fuck off Peterson I'm not donating to your patreon.

He's so popular because his explanation of what the fuck is going on in the world actually makes sense and everybody knows it

>>128676380
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>>128704258
Give us your Marxist interpretation of postmodernism, I don't think you know anything

I'm sure this will impress retards.

>>128704356
>instantly responds with muh marxists
Fuck off. Go back to gargling the balls of your favourite cult personality because he impresses you with big words.

>>128703916
Plenty of psychologists recognize Schop, and Hobbes is objectively like one of the earliest, even if his is totally insane bullshit. This really is not a controversial statement. I haven't even denied Nietzsche's role in it.

Why are you obsessed with this point? Are you still taken aback that Freud, Nietzsche, Jung, and Lacan are all po-mos?

>>128679020
Damn, poor Watson. Imagine being a world-class scientist who gets pretty much banished from public life because somebody couldn't deal with reality.

>>128703348
>hasn't had anything to do with Freud in fucking decades, he's been thoroughly rejected
I remember Peterson addressing this in one of his lectures
people only talk about what Freud got wrong because what he got right is so embedded in our culture it seems like self-evident but it wasn't self-evident back then

>You're gonna be really mad if you find out that all of those guys are some of the founders of post-modernism.
you don't get it do you? that is not obviously the "flavor of postmodernism" JBP criticizes
he clearly stated what's his problem with postmodernism
if your flavor of postmodernism doesn't have those issues then it's obviously not what he has problem with
it's not a hate of postmodernism for it's own sake
postmodernism is a label
stop looking at that label and look at what he's pointing to with it

>>128704551
Are you just trying to backpedal at this point to save face? Why even insert such pointless points of information? Does it make you feel better about your low-self esteem?

It's not like I said Nietzche's philosophy was entirely that of his own. He was also inspired by others, but all roads led to Nietzche. All philosophy up to him had been qualified and distilled there, making him the single largest influence on the world any philosopher has ever had. You could say that philosophy itself died there, because there was nowhere else for it to go but backwards, back to tradition. From there, too, psychology was born.

>>128690309
Hitler route.

>>128703403
>muh nerd virgins
Typical leftist projection. Lurk more newfriendo you might learn something

>>128704889
>Are you just trying to backpedal at this point to save face?
Not really, I still stand by my point. Schop and Hobbes did philosophical pysch before Nietzche. It's not that hard to look up.
>Why even insert such pointless points of information
Because you were using false piece of info for your point, it was also a side note to my original point anyway.

I'm bringing the point back up because you've seemed to entirely dropped it, instead going after this, again, non-controversial fact.

>making him the single largest influence on the world any philosopher has ever had. You could say that philosophy itself died there, because there was nowhere else for it to go but backwards, back to tradition. From there, too, psychology was born.
Now you're being hyperbolic for no reason. Nietzsche changed the face of philosophy or whatever, it's true, I'd never deny it, but come on now.
>there was nowhere else for it to go but backwards, back to tradition
Who is Heidegger? Sarte? Wittgenstein? Derrida? Levinas? Foucault?

You're spouting nonsense, friend

>>128676102
About time. Postmodernism has always been retarded

>>128705401
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>>128681604
She really does. Also bump.

>>128705340
>Schop and Hobbes did philosophical pysch before Nietzche. It's not that hard to look up.
You could also be a pedantic fucking faggot and say Plato did, but its universally agreed upon that Nietzche surpassed all of them and is the curtain close of philosophy into the era of psychoanalytics and psychology.
>Because you were using false piece of info for your point
Lie to yourself all you want, but don't lie to me.
>Nietzsche changed the face of philosophy or whatever, it's true, I'd never deny it, but come on now.
Duuhhhh. Because from there nobody had anywhere to go but the study of psychology. Just as was outlined by the psychologists at the onset of this study.
>You're spouting nonsense, friend
Says the guy recommending Derrida and other kikes as legitimate philosophy. That really says all anyone needs to know

>>128704675
>people only talk about what Freud got wrong because what he got right is so embedded in our culture it seems like self-evident but it wasn't self-evident back then
Freud's a genius, yeah. But modern Psychology also disagrees with him vehemently on everything.

My problem is that his reduction of post-modernism is just a straw man, that has far less to do with post-modernism itself than the SJW teens he doesn't like. If he wanted to do a social/political critique of today's society, do it by all means, but his attacks on these philosophers he clearly doesn't know anything about, isn't only embarrassing, but reveals him as a sophist.
It also just ruins these people's impressions of these important guys without even having given them a chance. Fucking as if Derrida can be summed up, and then "refuted", in a three sentence segment in a 12 minute youtube video is fucking preposterous.

Dude's misinforming his audience to push his agenda, and the fact that everyone here's falling for it is just plain depressing.
See >>128703403, as well. He nails it on the head

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>>128700771

Can't believe fucking nupol doesn't know this shit already but needs a fucking Canadian professor to tell them what to do. My God fuck nupol

>>128705700
You're both retarded. The people most on /pol/ stand in juxtaposition to are the largest degenerates this planet has ever seen. Reddit and Leftypol, whichever you came from, are a better example of postmodernism than /pol/ ever will be.

>>128693533

There's a good reason why people will bullshit humanities degrees can't get jobs out of college and had to go back into academia or become "professional activists"; society isn't buying their shit en mass...

>>128705803
>nupol
You have to go back

>>128705700
Oh, my God. You are just trying oh, so hard! Peterson's ideas and impact have almost nothing to do with his critique of postmodernism or putting people off those terrible philosophers. Who cares anyway? People need to be cleaning their rooms and sorting themselves out, not reading faggoty nihilistic "nothing matters and nothing is real" philosophy

>>128704584
If I ever chimp out (unlikely), what was done to Watson will be a major motivation.

>>128705700
>Derrida
OY VEY

WHAT A GOOD GOY YOU ARE ANON

>>128705588
>You could also be a pedantic fucking faggot and say Plato did
But I never would because he didn't. He's dealing with Souls and its relation to the forms. Schop and Hobbes actually theorize on the mechanisms of the human brain.

>Because from there nobody had anywhere to go but the study of psychology
Except for all of those philosophers I mentioned, and Heidegger, who's probably a more influential philosopher than Nietzche anyway.

>>128705880
/pol/ is max post-modernism. Like Andy Warhol levels of Commercial Feelz > Rationality. We unironically ironically dedicate actual time to making fun of the actor from Transformers and worship a frog meme appropriated from a comic book based on the digits that correspond to the post order on a Malaysian blanket knitting forum, where the main form of discourse is shitposting. This is Thomas Pynchon levels of post-modernism

>>128706198
Peterson's " idea of "cleaning your room" in the face of nothing is taken literally out of post-modern philosophers. Please don't reproduce.

>>128688561
i hate you so much. So so much

try generating a random physics or mathematics paper and try passing it through peer review..

i hate you so much

>>128702949
Amen brother

>>128706313
>Heidegger, who's probably a more influential philosopher than Nietzche anyway
Ah, so you weren't pretending to be retarded.
>/pol/ is max post-modernism
Nah, /pol/ is, if anything, post-post-modernism. Consider what a cultural and poltical influence this board has obtained in just the last year alone. People are using words coined here, memes made here, they dance to the song of /pol/ and react to it. This is in large part due to marxists making it impossible for others to discuss anything that doesn't fall within your prescribed brainwashing, so they don't have many places to go but here. Thus, you have the reaction to what is currently the norm of the world, postmodernism. The people who come out of here are probably an indication of where culture is heading, back to traditionalism, because you've denigrated society and culture to a point of mockery.

The era of Post-Modernism is coming to a close, a new word needs be coined for something like that. Neo-Traditionalism? Reactionary-Conservatism? It doesn't really matter. But people of /pol/ don't as much represent the culture of post-modernism more than ((Liberals)) do, because these are people who are generally hated here.

>>128706493
You live in a backwards world. You should get some help.

>>128706690
/pol/ is very post modern, fucking Trump election was triumph of post modernity.

>>128690309
>not choosing the meme way where you just meme normies into submission by ridiculing post modernist ideas and make it incredibly uncool; while at the same time undermining their own position with their own weapons (post modernist decronstructionism of post modernism).

>>128705700
>Dude's misinforming his audience to push his agenda, and the fact that everyone here's falling for it is just plain depressing.
no he just sees problems in the world, identifies the issuess and then articulates them so they can be addressed

>my problem is that his reduction of post-modernism is just a straw man
you cold say every word in human language is a straw-man because you can't reduce the infinite reality to words, evrything that comes out of your mouth is reduction in some sense
but words are also tools and as long they get the job done, I don't see an issue
and again he said specifically what his problem with postmodernism is so when you hear postmodernism from him you know what exactly he refers to

and even if he completely hijacked the label postmodernism and it catches on, so what? the other ideas it used to refer to are still more or less untouched, he doesn't attack those
>also implying that will happen

>See <strawman>, as well. He nails it on the head
lol fuck off

>>128676102
love the occasional interruption from the obviously small audience made of pimple faced white dude fags clapping.

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>>128691423

>extra credit for students who don't shave armpits

i shit you not

>>128676380
gross

>>128706850

That's disingenuous bullshit and you know it. The equivalent of saying all history is based on class struggle coming from a Marxist historiography.

You're saying it's Post Modern because you're looking at /pol/ from a Post Modern lens. Even if you had a infinite different lenses to observe something, not all of them are equal; some of them will be better analyses than others.

>>128706493
It's not cleaning our rooms "in the face of nothing" , it's in the FACE of life's confusion , pain, uncertainty and struggle. We face it. r selected bunnies like you scamper and hide from ideals like truth and morality because YOU CAN'T MEASURE UP. At least we try.

>>128707418
Well if the shoe fucking fits.. and /pol/ is so hell bent on deconstructing current liberal-left-cuck West they're fucking aligning with half the beliefs of Islamic State while holding a celebrity tv show star as their "God Emperor" from Warhammer comic book

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>>128676102

Bullshit ADVERTISEMENT THREAD

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>>128707526
and you forgot the funniest thing about all of this... it works.

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>>128707651
it's insane

>>128707526

No it's a cop out to looking for something deeper to discovering underlying truth.

Put it this way, what isn't /pol/? What's missing? What could it be? What can't it be?

>>128693058
eternally btfo. absolutely classic

>>128706690
>Ah, so you weren't pretending to be retarded.
Dude basically invented phenomenology-- the hallmark of post-modern metaphysics.

>Consider what a cultural and poltical influence this board has obtained in just the last year alone
The entire movement is based on trolling SJWs.

>Neo-Traditionalism? Reactionary-Conservatism?
Which is based entirely off of paintings of Rome and Norman Rockwell. This is literally the thesis of Guy Debold's Society of Spectacle-- a marxist, post-modern critique of society and interaction.
Your entire ideology is based off of image and representation. You are bathing in postmodernism. You have no clue rabbit hole you are.

>>128706739
Dude, it's just Camus' Myth of Sisyphus. That's the whole point of that book.

>>128707281
He's got the people right: SJWs
But he's misinformed about what they're after, who they're influenced by, and why they're bad.

>you cold say every word in human language is a straw-man because you can't reduce the infinite reality to words
Yeah yeah, I'm not here to argue lingustics. Wittgenstein couldn't solve it and I'm not going to either.

>when you hear postmodernism from him you know what exactly he refers to
You don't though. I thought I did, but then he started bringing up nihilism. I thought he was just going to rail against irony and over-consumerism.

>he doesn't attack those
He straight up attacks Derrida

>>128707526
>Well if the shoe fucking fits.
well that's how "lenses"/paradigms work
their purpose is to explain reality in a coherent way with minimizing the amount of cognitive dissonance
models of reality that can't do that in some way are usually not adopted by that many people

>>128708055
>Dude, it's just Camus' Myth of Sisyphus. That's the whole point of that book.
Except Peterson is really sneaky about it - he says "find meaning" but then he says "LOL NOT THAT MEANING, THAT ONE'S BAD, THE OTHER ONE I WANT YOU TO FIND".

Why wouldn't you find meaning in things he "fights against" if he admits that nothing matters anyway.

>>128708055
>The entire movement is based on trolling SJWs.
Not entirely, though humiliating and attacking SJW's is a part of it because they are the fundamental enemy of society.
>You are bathing in postmodernism.
We all are. I think most people on /pol/ and who subscribe to JBP share one thing in common, a desire to break the conditioning of a postmodernist marxist world.
>what they're after, who they're influenced by, and why they're bad.what they're after, who they're influenced by, and why they're bad.
This requires naming the Jew, which is a pretty sure way to get crucified.

>>128708738
Because philosophies of nihilism and absurdity actually are bad. They've provided us nothing of benefit whatsoever. Loss of duty and the ideal of service to your society is a symptom of societal decay.

It's great for people who service nothing but themselves to find comfort in meaninglessness and search for purpose in simply being agreeable as possible with the mentally ill and insane, but if society as a whole did this it would cease to operate.

The wisdom of past societies echoes these stories through the ages. That's why Camus is shit.

>>128708738
Because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about?

>>128709008
>a desire to break the conditioning of a postmodernist marxist world
Insane /pol/ bullshit, once again. If the world is so post-modernist marxist, why are there still classes? Why is there still capitalism? Why haven't the poor seized the means of production? How are we allowed to freely discuss these things on a Taiwanese clay molding fan club? How are you able to even think about breaking free from conditioning if the world's so conditioned? Why did trump win if everything's controlled?

>>128709274
>but if society as a whole did this it would cease to operate.
Camus' whole point is basically Voltaire's
>Violence, brutality, and ignorance are meaningless and absurd
>Why do people degrade one another over absurd and meaningless dividers such as race, gender, states
>Whose values are imposed by an arbitrary value system
>Why is there so much imposed horror?
>The world is full of suffering caused by insane and useless meanings
>therefore I will be as kind and agreeable and strive as hard as I can to be a better person despite this misery and meaninglessness
>because that is the only rational thing to do
That's why he's great.

>>128680073
>revisionism
>books quoting other books from the same author
umm... no, sweetie.

If you want to read actual actual top-tier literature about the failure of socialism, just check "black book of communism".

>>128676380
That stomach looks bloated. Can only imagine as she stretches in her tight dress and her stomach gets pulled on she rips a massive fart

>>128709532
>If the world is so post-modernist marxist, why-
The entire point is we are at a critical moment in history where the brainwashed and deluded are just nearing the precipice of getting what it is they desire. Deluded and naive, these people truly think that even in a full on Marxist Communist world there will suddenly be no classes.

Yeah - just like USSR, right? You're a fool. This interpretation of the world would sooner be better for the people who won the capitalist game than it would for the poor. It only solidifies their control, because you won't actually seize anything when that dream is done. This is a critical time, because we may actually have to fight simply for the freedom to maintain private property because the brainwashed Marxists have become so radical about enforcing their ideology. This is what makes /pol/ reactionary to post-modernists, because it's clear there still exists a chance that they can be beaten while there are still institutions they've yet to overcome.
>>therefore I will be as kind and agreeable and strive as hard as I can to be a better person despite this misery and meaninglessness
>>because that is the only rational thing to do
Okay, go be a Marxist in South Africa, most people don't want your shit here. See how far your "rational intelligence" and "agreeable demeanor" works in the real fucking world.

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>>128680859
The problem is that any of these systems may be genuinely useful for the purposes of a specific academic field. Anthropologists have to maintain cultural neutrality for good reason in order to properly study other cultures. To stay as objective as possible it's important for them to, academically, not advocate for one cultural practice's superiority over another. Same thing for postmodernism's usefulness in certain very specific areas.

But then fucking no one can do that and then stop themselves from applying it elsewhere. Even if the experts are disciplined the great mass of people don't ever fully internalize "this is a useful tool but don't live by it." Instead they get "this tool is the one tool. the true tool. in fact it's not a tool but a truth. now make sure others don't damage it."

I sometimes wonder whether or not studies in psychology, sociology etc should have a 40 year ban before release to the general public. Civilization is being damaged by their flippant fashionable nonsense and they have no sense of responsibility for it.

>>128708055
>The entire movement is based on trolling SJWs.
that is wrong
SJW's been more or less ignored by the core of the movement since gamergate era
the only ones who give shit about them are the loud underage and T_D redditors who watch "SJW's btfo compilations", and the classical liberal folks because they are on the same side of the spectrum
SJW's are understood as a side effect not the problem

>he's misinformed about what they're after, who they're influenced by
ok...
>and why they're bad.
what?
SJWs attract so much negative attention that even people who agree with them completely think they're bad
are they misinformed why they are bad? no because that's subjective
they're bad for them

>You don't though. I thought I did, but then he started bringing up nihilism
If that's your problem then you could read/watch some of his more comprehensive stuff to understand where he's coming from

>He straight up attacks Derrida
I'll be honest I know very little about Derrida
I could use the same line of though I used before and apply the same logic I applied to postmodernism and what he means when he says postmodernism
to Derrida and what he's referring to when he talks about Derrida but I'm not willing to go into this argument

>>128710034
I don't think I'm much of a commie, and the USSR didn't even pass Mary's own standards for a commie revolution. Anyway, if it's all controlled, how was this crucial moment allowed at all? Why did the USSR fall if everything is controlled? How is Marxism post modern if it was developed before post modernism and doesn't necessarily believe in subjectivity?

Anyway, my agreeable demeanor works pretty great so far. Have good friends, a steady girlfriend, a loving family, and a pretty good future ahead of me in education. Maybe you're unhappy because you're an edgelord and fucking nuts, who's so afraid of living a purposeless life in the basement that he came up with a whole world conspiracy about why he's miserable, all of this to avoid the fact that it's his own unhappiness and awkwardness is his fault. Camus could help you a lot pal.

>>128676102
>le evil postmodernist boogeyman

I like his psychology stuff and "sort yourself out" but his political commentary, not so much

>>128710963
>Anyway, if it's all controlled, how was this crucial moment allowed at all?
Because it is trickling down from the very institutions of media and universities into the minds of plebs to demand liberation from capitalist tyranny by making CEO's into party leaders.
>Why did the USSR fall if everything is controlled?
First off, the two are unrelated. You're comparing two things separated by geography and time. The thing which persisted is ideology, which, in terms of Marxists, is clearly stupid because communism was such a massive failure the USSR relied on capitalism to stay afloat. Once the West stopped buying their product, it fell.
>How is Marxism post modern if it was developed before post modernism and doesn't necessarily believe in subjectivity?
It's like asking how Marxism is nihilistic if nihilism existed before Marx. Silly analogy, they are all products of the one another. Each led to the other.
>Anyway, my agreeable demeanor works pretty great so far
Nobody gives a fuck about the things that never happened. Politics is a social thing that expands globally, not your dumbfuck experience.
> Maybe you're unhappy
I'm not, nice projection though you retarded faggot. Like I said, take your pacifistic attitude to people who are inherently hostile toward you, see what happens, cuck.